►
From YouTube: South Burlington City Council - 9/5/2023
Description
Call to Order 00:00:00
Public Comment 00:01:42
Announcements and City Manager's Report 00:05:13
Consent Agenda 00:18:20
FY25 Budget Schedule 00:26:25
Public Hearing on CHT 00:30:51
CHT Vermont Community Development Program 00:50:09
School Zone Speed Limits 00:51:36
Utility Rate Study 00:54:50
Holiday Inn Site Redevelopment 02:22:46
Neighborhood Development Area Expansion 02:24:18
City Charter 02:28:20
Vermont League of Cities Delegate 02:50:36
Other Business 02:53:22
Total Run Time: 02:57:15
https://linktr.ee/townmeetingtv
Town Meeting TV is a free speech forum and the ideas expressed do not necessarily reflect the views of the Town Meeting TV trustees and staff. If you have a different perspective to share, we invite you to join the conversation! Create your own program or cover a community meeting or event. Contact maketv@cctv.org or call 862-3966.
Thank you for tuning into Town Meeting TV! Please subscribe to our YouTube channel and visit our website for more videos and information about how we open the doors to local government using community media. www.Ch17.TV
This video belongs to http://www.cctv.org and published with permission under Creative Commons License CCTV Center for Media & Democracy Programming is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License.
B
A
A
C
So
yes,
I'm
Michael,
mittag
I
live
just
off
Swift
Street
I've
been
here
since
2001.
I
served
on
the
wheeler
conservation
easement
task
force
served
on
the
city's
form-based
code
committee.
I
am
a
director
of
the
South
Billington
land,
trust
and
I'm.
A
member
of
the
south
building,
Planning,
Commission
and
I
was
very,
very
much
involved
in
having
the
voters,
approve
the
land
Swap
and
its
Associated
commitment
to
have
a
conservation
easement
on
the
wheeler
Park
December.
The
6th
this
year
will
be
our
12th
anniversary.
C
A
B
Jesse
has
an
update,
so
the
next
step
is
to
stake
the
property.
That
was
an
expectation
of
the
land
trust
before
we
did.
The
final
closing
we
are
in
the
Pro.
We
are
awaiting
a
final
Loa
from
cea,
which
are
the
surveyors
to
do
that
work.
Once
that
is
executed,
it
will
be
staked
once
it
is
staked
within
a
certain
notice
period.
We
can
finalize
the
agreement
with
the
land
trust.
B
B
C
It's
it's
risen.
It's
risen
to
the
top
of
the
pie
or
near
the
top
of
the
pot.
I
wonder
why
my
next
question
had
to
do
with
the
potential
easement
on
the
Hubbard
and
whether
the
council
or
staff
would
like
the
land
trust
to
connect
the
city
with
the
Lake
Champlain
Land
Trust,
which
has
expressed
a
very
serious
interest
in
in
holding
the
easement
on
Hubbard.
A
D
So
the
rotary
sponsored
police
dinner
and
it
was
an
awards
dinner
where
several
of
our
officers
and
detectives
were
recognized
not
only
by
their
peers
but
also
by
state
and
federal
law
enforcement
officials
for
their
fine
work
and
I.
Just
I
always
enjoy
that
event.
I
I
truly
thank
the
rotary
for
hosting
it.
I
I
learned
that
night
that
that
is
in
fact
part
of
the
mission
of
the
rotary
yeah.
E
D
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
hear
stories
told
from
perspectives
that
are
different
from
ours,
because
I
learned
things
that
night
and
probably
because
of
my
perspective,
I
was
not
privy
to
some
of
the
things.
I
learned
that
night
and
I
think
it's
it's
really
important
for
for
people
to
go
outside
of
their
comfort
zones
and
and
to
hear
stories
told
from
another
one's
point
of
view,
including
our
national.
D
Our
national
story,
so
I
want
to
thank
Lydia
Diamond
publicly,
for
hosting
and
for
the
library
Jennifer
Murray
was
there
to
set
it
all
up
and
it
was
I
thought
really
well
done
and
they
brought
food
in
and
it
was
I
thought
a
good.
A
good
use
of
the
space
and
I
look
forward
to
Future
to
future
film
screenings.
So.
F
G
Thank
you
Helen,
so
I
attended
the
electric
bus
ceremony
up
at
the
Veterans
Memorial
Park
the
week
before
they
had
the
Highland
CEO
there
and
the
most
of
the
sbsd
administration
people,
including
Violet
Nichols,
the
superintendent,
and
this
was
just
a
realization
of
the
performance.
So
far
of
the
you
know,
the
cooperation
between
Thomas
buses
and
Highland
that
that
designs,
the
infrastructure
for
the
electrical
part
of
it
and
the
school
district
and
the
work
that
they've
done
the
fact
they
have
I
think
they
have
four
buses.
Now
they.
G
A
H
G
G
You
have
to
know
whether
York
Beach
or
Hampton,
what
the
high
tide
is
because
basically
you're
squished
off
on
the
rocks
and
but
the
waves
at
Hampton
Beach
on
Sunday
were
beautiful
and
great,
and
you
had
to
be
careful
because
if
you
got
sucked
at
the
wrong
place,
you
could
tumble
and
so
I
got
tumbled.
My
son
got
tumbled.
Nobody
got
hurt
right,
but
back
at
Wallace
Sands,
which
is
another
great
state
park,
excellent,
excellent
weather
and
waves
and
perfect
for
body
surfing
and
putting
it
more
plus.
G
They
have
a
a
summerslong
Arts
Festival
in
Portsmouth
and
it's
it's
combination
of
musical
events
with
with
nationally
known
and
local
artists
and
also
theater
outside
rain
or
shine.
And
so
we
happen
to
be
able
to
see
Devin
gilfillian
and
his
is
a
four-person
band
as
well
as
Ali
mcgurky
I
think
her
name
opened
for
him.
But
what
a
great
band
I
mean
this
gentleman
is
from
Philadelphia
outside
Philadelphia,
but
he's
in
Nashville
now
and
he
has
been
raised
on
Marvin
Gaye
earthquake
in
fire.
You
name
it
right.
If.
H
G
A
G
J
Oh
fantastic,
so
I
can
all
I
can
share
is
I
can
definitely
relate
to
Tim's
sentiments
about
being
thrown
through
what
feels
like
a
spin
cycle
at
high
speed
that
has
been
my
professional
life
and
personal
life
for
the
past
several
weeks,
I
apologize
for
my
absence.
I
did
have
the
opportunity
to
attend
the
South
Burlington
Police
Department's
recognition
dinner
on
this
past.
Sunday.
Excuse
me
this
Sunday.
Prior,
it
was
a
a
wonderful
event.
J
I
was
really
proud
to
to
have
been
there
and
to
to
to
have
played
a,
albeit
a
very
small
role
in
it,
and
the
only
thing
that
I'll
say
is
that
I
I
come
my
big
takeaway
from
the
event.
Was
that
what
we
see
in
our
what
we
have
we've
from
speaking
for
myself,
there's
so
much
that
our
police
department
does
on
a
day
in
day
out
basis
to
keep
us
safe,
and
there
are
so
many
things
that
occur
that
we're
we're
not
privy
to
it
was.
J
D
D
K
A
A
It
was
kind
of
cool
I
just
happened
to
stay,
sit
at
that
table
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
just
want
to
share
on
one
of
my
walks
with
a
good
friend
we
hadn't
for
a
long
time
gone
down
to
the
Loose
Park
and
walking
through
that
I.
Don't
know
if
you
have
walked
through
there
recently,
but
the
plantings
are
absolutely
stunning.
You
know
the
goose
park
goose
park,
yeah
I
would
just
really
encourage
anyone
to
just
stroll
through
it.
The
plantings
are
just
beautiful.
A
Some
of
the
geese
are
still
are
poking
out
from
some
of
the
planting,
so
maybe
they
need
a
little
bit
of
a
trim,
but
the
colors-
and
it
just
was
really
fabulous
and
I
thought
how
wonderful
to
have
that
kind
of
option
to
go
and
sit
or
walk
through
that
in
our
city
center,
because
even
after
everything's
built
that
still
will
be
as
beautiful
and
embracing
as
it
was
the
other
night.
So
Jesse.
B
So
I
only
have
a
few
updates
tonight,
because
we
do
a
pretty
heavy
council
meeting
just
a
reminder
that
the
advertisement
is
out
for
a
number
of
folks
to
sit
on
external
boards
and
committees,
so
we're
looking
for
an
appointment
for
town
meeting
TV
the
Jenny
County
communications,
Union,
district,
Winooski,
Valley,
Parks
district
and
then
our
own
development
review
board.
We
still
need
one
more
person
on
that
board.
The
due
date
is
September
13th.
B
Public
Works
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
the
Dorset
Street
signals
project
is
ongoing.
The
mastheads
will
arrive
later
this
month
and
start
being
installed.
So
we'll
start
seeing
above
ground
work
in
late
September
early
October.
It
will
continue
to
be
a
bit
disruptive,
but
we
hope
that
we
thank
people
for
their
patience.
Just
a
reminder
to
the
council
that
the
library
and
staff
are
Marching
In,
the
Burlington
Pride
Parade
on
Sunday.
B
If
anyone
is
interested
in
joining
us,
you
are
welcome
to
walk
behind
our
Banner
with
us
and
then
I
also
want
to
thank
State
Treasurer
P
check
for
joining
us
for
that
Awards
dinner.
I
thought
his
commentary
about
loneliness
and
connection
and
how
we
all
actively
take
roles
to
create
safe
communities
was
really
timely.
So
thank
him
for
that
effort.
B
And
what
was
the
Trenton
County
communications
Union
district,
which
was
the
Municipal
Union
district?
We
established
to
extend
fiber,
it's
very
active
right.
Now.
We've
secured
a
contractor
to
work
on
the
expansion.
It
doesn't
have
a
huge
impact
on
South
Burlington.
We
only
have
20
homes
that
are
not
fully
connected.
It
has
a
very
significant
impact
on
other
communities
in
our
County,
so
we're
being
a
good
partner.
We
get
more,
they
the
Union
district,
it's
more
funding.
If
we
are
a
part
of
it,
it's
really
for
people
who
are
interested
in
fiber
and
connections.
B
I
F
D
L
A
G
K
Yeah,
the
EV
charging
Grant
application
a
couple
of
things,
one
one
I
think
it's
wonderful,
I
didn't
know
there
was
such
a
generous
program
so
curious.
Why
575
is
not
part
of
the
Grant
application
as
well
and
also
curious.
Why
we
are
asking,
for
you
know,
just
four
charges,
which
maybe
sounds
like
a
lot
now,
but
kind
of
doesn't
really
future
proof
us
in
anticipation
of
where
we
hope
to
get
to
as
a
city
in
a
few
short
years
under
our
climate
action
plan.
So
is
there?
A
M
A
K
A
H
B
K
You
know,
basically,
it's
incredibly
generous
program
with
the
rest
of
the
community
with
the
school.
Even
with
you
know,
businesses
like
there's
just
a
10
match
it's
incredibly
generous
dude
I
I
had
it
I
didn't
know
about
it,
but
is
there
a
mechanic
where
you
can
share
or
have
share
this
information
with
other
folks
around
the
city.
B
H
K
B
B
H
M
A
B
A
N
A
G
D
B
So
our
thought
was,
if
you
felt
like
spreading
the
budget
presentations
over
a
series
of
Council
meetings.
That
will
also
be
your
Council
meetings
to
hear
feedback
on
the
city
plan.
You
could
schedule
a
budget
Retreat
for
Friday
December
15th,
which
was
kind
of
the
one
day
we
found
that
might
work
for
staff
and
do
it
in
a
one
day
session
of
budget
presentations,
as
opposed
to
over
the
course
of
several
Council
meetings.
So
that's
really
the
kind
of
question
on
the
table
for
you.
G
A
G
B
So
so
science
person
more
precisely
into
that,
but
just
a
reminder
that
the
biggest
driver
of
that
Surplus
was
local
options
tax
and
that
local
options
tax
adjustment
we
already
made
in
the
fy24
budget,
so
we
increased
that
Revenue
line
by
I
think
850
000
in
the
FY
24
budget.
So
we'll
continue
to
track
that
and
see
where
it
comes
in
the
per
the
permitting
fee
is
a
little
more
challenging.
We
certainly
have
seen
a
development
boom.
We
don't
know
if
that
will
continue.
B
I
B
B
D
K
N
N
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
for
hosting
this
public
hearing
to
consider
an
application
for
the
Vermont
community
development
program
for
the
food
shelf.
The
feeding
shipment
facility,
I'm,
Amy,
demetriwitz
I'm,
the
chief
operating
officer
at
the
Champlain
Housing
Trust
and
I'm,
joined
today
by
Paul
Dragon
who's,
the
executive
director
of
Champlain
Valley
office
of
Economic
Opportunity
and
Rob
Meehan.
Who
is
the
director
of
feeding
kitten
this
the
project
feeding
chicken
and
it
was
the
chitin
and
emergency
food
shelf.
N
If
you
all
know
it's
on
228
North,
Winooski
Avenue
in
Burlington,
on
the
corner
of
North,
Winooski,
Avenue
and
and
North
Union
Street
in
the
old
North
End,
and
it
was
actually
co-developed
by
the
Champlain
Housing
Trust.
At
that
time
we
were
the
Burlington
Community
Land,
Trust
and
cboeo
to
create
a
an
adequate
facility
for
the
important
need
of
Sir,
of
providing
emergency
food
that
was
in
1994
and
the
partnership
has
been
very
successful.
O
Thanks
so
much
thanks,
Amy,
thank
you
for
having
us
I'll
start
off
just
with
the
community
resource
center
and
the
work
around
people
experiencing
homelessness
and
Rob's,
going
to
talk
about
all
the
food
production
and
meals
that
are
being
served.
The
community
resource
center
is
fairly
new.
It's
been
at
feeding
Chittenden
for
a
little
over
a
year
about
17
months
right
now
before
that
it
was
at
the
VFW,
it
had
two
rounds
there.
O
So
we
went
from
the
VFW
two
rounds
there
with
a
gap
in
between
and
we
really
pushed
ourselves
and
we
finally
landed
at
feeding
chitman,
which
is
a
program
of
cvoel,
and
now
it's
stabilized.
It's
work.
Remarkably,
the
need
has
been
overwhelming
and
non-stop,
so
we
are
seeing
a
a
number
of
people
there.
Every
single
day
that
can
the
average
is
about
125
people
a
day
experiencing
homelessness
or
marginally
housed
or
staying
in
shelters.
Many
of
them
are
living
out
on
the
streets
and
the
highest
number
we
have
seen
is
185
people.
O
In
one
day,
feeding
chitinin
is
designated
as
a
regional
Facility
by
the
state
because
we
do
serve
the
greater
Burlington
and
Chittenden
County
area.
So
we
are
seeing
a
lot
of
people
from
all
the
communities
around
Burlington
we
received
funding
for
from
the
City
of
Burlington
for
a
cdbg
grant
for
a
renovation
of
the
community
resource
center,
because
the
need
was
so
overwhelming.
O
We
had
to
expand
the
space
and
we
in
fact
took
up
office
space
that
our
staff
feeding,
chicken
and
staff
were
in,
so
they
have
been
working
off-site
now
for
the
past
year.
We
finally
with
cht's,
help
kind
of
completed
the
renovations
you'll
see
some
pictures
there.
So
now
we
can
better
serve
it's
still
too
small
for
the
number
of
people,
but
we
can
better
Serve
the
People
experiencing
homelessness,
who
have
come
in
these.
O
O
That's
different
Rob's
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
other
meals
that
go
out
but
and
I'll
just
be
quick.
So
over
a
12-month
period
we
served
over
2300
people
experiencing
homelessness
or
individually
housed.
That's
a
12-month
period
and
we've
been
open
for
about
17
months.
We've
had
26
000
visits
and
we've
offered
and
provided
38
000,
hot,
nutritious
meals
to
people,
and
we
provide
a
myriad
of
other
services
there.
So
it's
housing
advocacy
Services.
O
We
really
try
to
work
with
people
who
are
living
outside
to
get
them
into
shelter
and
then
eventually,
into
transitional
or
or
permanent
housing
as
well.
About
half
of
the
people
are
unsheltered
and
if
you
drive
by
North
Winooski
you'll
you'll
see
we
we're
dealing
with
a
lot
of
people
with
mental
health
and
co-occurring
substance,
use
conditions
and
a
lot
of
people
with
chronic
medical
conditions
and
a
lot
of
older
vermonters.
So
that's
the
work
we're
doing.
O
You
know
that
homelessness
has
grown
in
Vermont,
it's
the
second
highest
in
the
country
per
population,
and
ever
since
the
state
had
ended
the
hotel,
shelter,
Pro,
Hotel
emergency
shelter
program,
we've
seen
in
a
rapid
increase
of
unsheltered
individuals.
So
the
work
that
was
done
through
the
first
cdbg
Grant
we've
been
able
to
do
a
new
heating
and
cooling
system.
We
didn't
have
air
conditioning
there
in
the
past
new
floors,
new
walls
a
greatly
expanded
space
and
then
what
this
grant
is
about
is
about
building
up
and
bringing
our
staff
back
in.
O
E
P
Just
dreaming
daydreaming
back
there
when
Amy
was
mentioning
food
insecurity.
When
I
started
with
beating
Chittenden
in
an
07,
the
census
told
us
there
was
about
12
000
people
experiencing
food
insecurity
in
Chittenden
County.
That
number
is
well
over
20
000.
Now
in
chittany,
County
I,
don't
know
what
that
says
about
the
job
that
I'm
doing
but
I
think
it's.
P
It's
been
a
small
space
that
we've
been
trying
to
manage
a
lot.
We
have
this
intersection
of
compassion
and
Justice
where
we're
trying
to
make
sure
people
have
enough
to
eat.
Paul
asked
me
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
our
services.
We
have
20
staff
people.
We
have
some
culinarians
on
staff
who
teach
people,
so
we
have
a
culinary
job
training
program
that
we
started
in
about
08
very
successful.
P
We've
been
partnering
with
the
Vermont
food
bank
on
that
and
finding
people
jobs,
but
also
while
people
are
working
with
us
there's
an
esteemable
process
that
happens
whereby
we
make
food
that
gets
distributed
as
Helen
was
saying.
That's
prepared
from
scratch
on
site
also
teaches
people,
life
skills,
lessons
things
about
how
to
resume
build
and
how
to
you
know,
make
it
in
this
world
we're
living
in.
So
it's
a
program
that
we're
pretty
proud
of
at
CVO
and
we
partner
with
our
financial
Futures
program
that
does
micro
business
development.
P
We
have
a
food
truck
that
accompanies
the
program
and
students
go
on
the
truck
to
places
like
mobile
home
parks
throughout
Trenton
County
and
serve
food
in
a
you
know,
process
of
client
to
you
know
ready
to
eat
food,
which
is
really
wonderful
and
it's
also
a
fun
way
to
to
serve
food
on
site.
We
have
a
food
pantry,
like
you
do
here
in
South
Burlington,
it's
open
every
weekday
from
nine
to
four.
P
It
serves
about
300
people
a
day,
a
very
diverse
group
of
people,
so
we've
adapted
our
food
to
meet
the
needs
of
people
with
specific
diets.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
change
in
the
last
10
years,
at
least
with
gluten-free
and
Etc,
but
also
we
look
at
culturally
relevant
food
because
we
have
a
very
diverse
population
that
we
serve
the
pandemic
hit.
We
really,
you
know
pivoted,
as
you've
heard
most
did
we
created
an
online
Market.
P
That's
now
we're
working
with
our
Head
Start
programs
through
cvoyo,
really
reaching
those
kids
that
are
in
deep
poverty
and
making
sure
that
families
and
specifically
new
American
families,
are
able
to
go
online
order,
food
they
actually
want,
and
then
our
Advocates
are
delivering
that
to
classrooms.
We're
also
expanded
our
home
deliveries
that
we've
had
for
about
25
years
that
were
really
targeted
for
people
with
Mobility
impairments,
people
who
couldn't
access
charitable
food
and
now
we're
delivering
to
homes
throughout
chicken
County,
but
also
Beyond
throughout
Champlain
Valley.
P
We
partnered
with
with
some
Health
Care
Facilities
to
to
work
with
clinicians,
so
that
now
patients
can
order
online
from
our
program
directly
if
they
pre-screen
for
food
insecurity
and
our
Advocates
are
really
expanding.
The
food
that
we're
providing
the
importance
of
228
North
Winooski
in
Burlington
is
that
this
is
the
Hub
of
this
work.
P
So,
there's
more
to
share
about
our
services,
because
the
people
that
I
work
with
are
just
incredible
and
Brilliant
and
the
culinarians
are
just
fun
and
so
they're
using
food
from
scratch,
and
just
one
little
anecdote
to
share
the
food
that
meal
that
we
produce
costs
a
dollar
fifty
and
compare
that
to
school
mail
that
cost
five
dollars
and
fifty
cents.
So
we're
also
cost
effective.
When
we
look
at
how
we
raise
our
dollars
and
how
we
use
it,
you.
P
It
that's
how
much
we're
spending
so
we
raise
money
ourselves
and
I
know
some
of
you
know
that
from
your
own
Pantry
here
in
South
Burlington,
it's
not
easy
to
do.
We
have
to
raise
about
1.5
million
every
year
to
meet
our
goals
and
that's
to
move
two
million
pounds
of
food
throughout
and
County
alone.
There's
much
more
to
share
I,
don't
want
to
go
into
too
many
details,
but
just
to
re-emphasize
that
the
site
at
228,
which
has
been
too
small,
is
still
a
good
location.
P
It's
in
an
Old,
North
End,
so
people
can
walk
there.
People
can
obviously
bust
there
because
it's
on
a
bus
line,
there's
lots
of
parking
there
there's
places
you
can
ride
your
bike
there.
So
you
know
the
leveraging
federal
dollars
and
State
dollars
to
help
this
facility.
That
CHT,
has
you
know
taken
care
of
for
so
long
is.
Is
why
we're
here
today
and
thanks
for
letting
me
share
thanks.
P
O
P
Justin,
just
at
the
community
resource
center
you're,
seeing
those
people
have
come
back
for
three
meals
a
day.
So
if
that
number's
close
to
200,
you
might
see
five
to
600
meals,
just
in
that
cafeteria
every
day.
In
addition,
meals
are
packaged
and
by
students
culinary
students
we
spoke
of
those
are
people
who
lived
experience
of
poverty.
Those
are
going
right
out
into
the
supermarket,
so
people
are
going
to
reach
in
coolers
by
the
way.
P
This
is
one
of
the
greatest
things
for
anti-poverty,
anti-hunger
work,
prepackaged
meals
are
so
important
to
Mom
and
Dad
to
just
be
able
to
grab
and
go
and
have
something
healthy.
So
we're
really
focused
on
health
and
nutrition,
health
and
wellness
I'm
going
to
stop
because
I
can
go
on
and
on
I
love.
This.
N
Conversation-
sorry,
it's
a
great
conversation.
Thank
you.
I
did
want
to
just
come
back
to
that
issue
of
this
being
a
regional
facility.
We
know
that
homelessness
is
a
regional
problem.
Someone
comes
into
the
food
shelf
and
they're
homeless.
Well,
where
are
they
from?
You
know,
they're
from
all
they're
from
our
communities.
N
The
the
food
Health
has
always
been
seen
as
a
regional
facility.
Back
in
1994
there
was
a
Consortium
of
towns
that
applied
for
the
same
funding
that
we're
looking
for
today.
The
reason
that
we're
asking
South
Burlington
to
support
this
application,
the
City
of
Burlington,
gets
its
own
specific
cdbg
allocation
from
the
federal
government,
and
so
therefore,
the
City
of
Burlington
is
not
able
to
sponsor
vcdp
applications.
N
That
program
is
only
available
for
municipalities
and
not
Burlington,
so
Burlington
did
use
its
cdb
cdbg
dollars
to
support
this
project
with
a
three
hundred
thousand
dollar
that
kicked
off
sort
of
phase
one
as
Paul
was
describing
we
put
in
new
heat
pumps
for
air
conditioning
for
heating.
We
did
painting,
we
did
new
flooring,
we
moved
the
administrative
office
so
that
we
could
expand
that
space
for
the
for
the
meals
and
for
the
community
resource
center.
N
N
There
you
go
that
one
great
the
white
building
is
the
existing
footprint.
If
you
can
see
that
and
the
the
small
pinkish
Orange
Is,
the
New
Edition
it'll,
be
a
two-story
Edition,
it's
not
a
big
addition.
No,
it's
not,
and
it's
going
to
be
expensive
to
build
in
part,
because
it's
in
an
urban
center,
we
have,
you
know
Urban
soils
so
contaminated
sort
of
dirty
dirt.
We
call
it
that
will
have
to.
N
N
There
will
be
some
work
required
on
the
on
Jesse
and
her
team's
part,
but
we
try
to
keep
that
minimal.
I'll
be
doing
most
of
the
application
together.
We'll
do
the
applications,
the
reporting,
the
requisitions,
trying
to
really
minimize
that
time.
There
will
be
some
time
needed
for
the
city's
attorney,
but
the
grant
can
pay
for
that.
There
may
be
a
requirement
for
a
single
audit
and
the
grant
can
pay
for
that
as
well.
So
what
the
community,
what
South
Burlington
would
be
putting
in
is
is
some
administrative
time
to
manage
that
Grant.
A
N
B
If
I
could
just
add
one
more
thing,
vcdp
funds
are
a
hugely
powerful
tool,
as
you
as
I
think
you
all
know,
it's
a
grant
opportunity
that
comes
around
several
times
a
year.
In
my
experience,
both
here
and
in
other
communities,
they
tend
to
put
good
money
after
good
money.
So
if
every
so,
if
we
can
be
a
regularly
funded
community
and
keep
our
staff
Nimble
about
using
the
system
which
is
very
complicated
to
use,
it
will
bring
more
funding
into
our
community
over
time.
B
So
we
were
successful
at
getting
the
previous
pass-through
grant
for
Summit
last
year,
I'm
looking
at
this
ground,
we
have
no
other
Community
Partners
looking
for
funding
this
year.
So
it's
not
that
we've
selected
CHT
over
another
organization
but
I
think
it's
funding
that
you
know
myself
and
Martha,
and
Paul
and
Alana
really
want
to
regularly
pull
down
into
our
community
to
serve
our
region.
Okay,.
G
Don't
ask
him
a
question.
Yes,
you
may
so
is
the
gmaa
Turkey
Trot,
still
a
fundraiser
for
you
folks?
Yes,
yes,
so
I
would
ask
everybody
to
turn
out
at
10
o'clock
on
Thanksgiving
at
uvm's
gutterson
parking
lot
and
going
to
the
lobby
and
sign
up
and
make
your
donation,
because
it's
a
great
fun
5K.
Sometimes
it's
a
little
chilly,
a
little
wet
a
little
windy,
but
it's
a
great
way
to
start
your
Thanksgiving
day
and
it
makes
more
room
for
more
turkey.
A
G
K
D
A
J
A
D
Yeah
and
yeah,
can
you
send
them
to
me?
Tim
I
would
just
say
that
this
is
part
of
our
climate
action
plan.
We
need
to
provide
access
to
resources
that
all
three
of
you,
your
you
know
the
associations
that
you
represent,
that
you're
providing
so
I
just
wanted
to
state
that
publicly
that
it's
it's
part
of
the
whole
solution
that
we
all
need
to
work
together
to
to
come
to.
So.
N
A
D
Q
Good
evening
everybody
yeah
Tom
depietro,
director
of
Public
Works
here
to
talk
about
school
zone
safety
again.
So
the
what
you
have
in
front
of
you
is
a
memo
and
updated
resolution.
Basically
just
charging
changing
our
new
school
zones
from
20
to
25,
because
state
law
only
authorizes
municipalities
to
have
a
speed
limit
range
set
between
25
and
50..
This
is
an
update,
our
interpretation
previously
in
working
with
regional
planning
staff
Traffic
Engineers
there
was
that
we
could
lower
it
to
20
in
a
school
zone.
Q
F
A
B
Any
I'm,
sorry
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
did
learn
through
that
research
is
that
the
only
way
you
can
lower
it
to
20
is,
if
you're
in
a
designated
downtown.
So
it
won't
help
for
four
of
our
five
schools,
but
for
Rick
Marcotte.
If
we
made
City
Center
designated
downtown,
we
could
lower
it.
That's
what
state
statue
currently
enables.
D
Q
A
H
A
Q
All
right
so
I'll
do
some
introductions.
Well,
Jesse
is
getting
that
pulled
up
again.
My
name
is
Tom
depietro,
director
of
Public
Works
with
me
this
evening,
I
have
Wayne
Elliott
from
Aldridge
and
Elliott
Wayne,
and
his
firm
completed
the
rate
study
for
us
to
look
at
our
Wastewater
and
Sewer
rates.
I'm.
Sorry,
our
water
and
sewer
rates,
and
also
a
jnado,
our
drinking
water
superintendent,
and
we
may
have
a
few
others
checking
in
online
I'm,
not
sure
see.
Q
Well,
I,
don't
see
their
names
up
there,
but
Bob
Fisher
is
our
Wastewater
superintendent,
who
may
also
join
us
and
Dave
wheeler
our
city
engineer.
So
by
way
of
introduction,
I
just
wanted
to
talk
for
a
minute
about
why
we're
doing
a
rate
study
now
and
then
also
sort
of
next
steps.
I'm
going
to
give
you
the
next
steps
to
beginning
here,
so
you
can
think
about
them
as
we
as
we
go
through
all
the
slides
that
we've
prepared
for
you.
Q
So
why
are
we
doing
it?
Now?
We
have
not
had
an
independent
review
of
our
rates
and
fees
in
recent
memory.
We
have
a
couple
of
large
projects
coming
up,
so
we
want
to
be
confident
that
we're
properly
financing
those
as
we
go
forward
with
specifically
the
Wastewater
Plant
and
the
water
tank.
We're
talking
about
and
I'll
give
you
some
more
details
on
those.
Q
We
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
in
a
good
position
to
pay
for
those
and
so
that
we
can
spread
those
costs
out
so
they're,
not
really
large
rate
increases.
In
the
past,
we've
had
some
significant
rate
increases
when
there
were
large
capital
projects
back
in
fiscal
year,
12
in
the
20
range
22
I
think
it
was
percent
for
water
28
for
waste
water,
so
trying
to
spread
that
out.
So
we
don't
have
to
do
that
again
to
fund
our
upcoming
Capital
Investments.
Q
Also,
this
is
a
good
opportunity
to
modernize
our
ordinances
Implement,
some
best
practices,
sort
of
look
at
other
ways.
Communities
are
are
billing
for
waste
water
and
drinking
water
and
then
again,
just
as
far
as
financial
needs
going
for
forward.
We
have
both
aging
infrastructure
in
our
community.
A
lot
of
pipes
were
put
in
in
the
40s
and
60s
we're
also
a
growing
community.
Q
Q
He'll
walk
you
through
the
slides,
but
we
want
to
hear
your
input,
hear
the
input
of
others
in
the
community
that
have
thoughts
on
this
and
then
really
looking
tonight
for
Council
to
provide
some
direction
because
we
do
have
budget
season
right
around
the
corner,
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
come
back
during
budget
season
and
present
budgets
in
a
format
of
if
there
are
changes
that
we're
going
to
make
in
that
format.
So
the
rate's,
showing
a
certain
way
and
I
think
I'll
leave
it
there
for
now.
Q
E
E
E
You
got
the
slides,
Jesse
Okay,
so
start
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
goals
we
went
through
initially
and
we're
going
to
touch
on
a
lot
of
these
things
kind
of
as
we
go
through
the
presentation-
and
you
know
what
we
evaluated
here.
You
know
the
first
one
obviously
is
how
customers
respond.
The
rate
increases
anytime.
You
make
a
change
in
the
rate
structure.
You
know
some
people
see
a
significant
change.
Some
people
see
a
lesser.
E
So
that's
always
a
critical
item
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we've
addressed
and
looked
at
contractual
rate
obligations
on
the
sewer
side.
You
have
an
agreement
with
Colchester
that
places
some
limitations
on
what
you
can
do
with
your
billing
structure.
Availability
of
building
resources
a
little
bit
unique
where
Champlain
water
district
does
all
the
utility
billing.
So
we
want
to
be
a
little
bit
careful
not
to
you
know,
significantly
increase
the
administrative
burden
for,
from
their
standpoint
level
of
future
costs.
Future
costs,
as
Tom
mentioned
you've
got
some
very
large
capital
projects.
E
Coming
up
both
on
the
Water
and
Sewer
side,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
it's
thoughtful.
That
rate
increases.
Are
the
rates
are
going
to
go
up
here,
regardless
of
whether
you
change
the
rate
structure
or
not
so
I
want
to
make
sure
those
things
are
thoughtful
and
you
know
we
don't
jump
it
all
up
significantly
in
one
year
and
then
obviously
the
impacts
of
the
rate
changes
to
the
vulnerable
up
populations.
E
E
Objectives:
one
thing:
when
you
get
into
going
through
these
rate
structures:
I've
done
a
lot
of
these
over
the
years.
There's
not
a
one-size-fits.
All
you
know
you
get
into
various
size
communities.
What
fits
for
South
Burlington
doesn't
fit
with
a
smaller
water
sewer
system
nor
medium
size.
If
you
look
at
12
or
15
Vermont
communities
you're
going
to
probably
find
15
different
variations
in
how
they
do
and
there's
not
a
right
or
wrong
way.
E
You
just
got
to
make
sure
you
know
what
passes
the
State
statue
it's
fair,
equitable,
so
the
first
one.
Obviously
the
one
is
necessary
Revenue
in
a
stable
and
predictable
Manner,
and
you
don't
want
to
have
you
know
pretty
gentle
increase
over
time
without
huge
annual
increases
in
the
rates,
unexpected
changes
in
customer
bills.
Third,
one
is
always
important.
You
want
people
to
be
efficient
with
use
of
water.
Some
smaller
communities,
don't
have
metering,
so
they
just
bill
x
amount
of
dollars
every
year,
so
that
really
doesn't
promote
conservation
discrimination.
Simplicity
is
important.
E
E
A
little
just
very
briefly,
on
definition
of
terms,
so
when
we're
getting
into
the
water
and
sewer
utility
fees,
you
know
you
basically
have
three
components:
you
have
the
water
and
sewer
fee.
That
generally
is
made
up
of
a
base
rate
or
flat
rate
and
a
usage
rate,
and
then
separately,
you've
got
an
allocation
fee
and
then
a
connection
fee.
So
in
the
case
of
South
Burlington
you
just
charge
on
the
usage
race
or
people
just
basically
pay
for
what
they
use
unless
they're
at
the
lower
end.
E
And
then,
when
you
get
into
the
O
M
budgets,
you
know
you
have
the
fixed
and
the
variable
expense.
Again,
we
typically
see
small
medium
communities.
The
fixed
side,
you
know,
60
to
65
percent
of
the
budget,
is
fixed,
which
means
you
know,
irregardless
of
how
much
Wastewater
you're
treating
or
how
much
water
you're
producing.
You
know
a
lot
of
those
costs.
Are
there
the
labor
the
benefits?
E
You
know
the
insurance,
those
kind
of
things
the
variable
side
is,
you
know
what
you're
purchasing
for
water,
for
example,
you
know
you
purchase
the
water
directly
from
Champlain
water
district
and
then,
when
you
get
into
the
allocation
fee,
you
know
those
fees
are
really
there
to
fund.
You
know
major
capital
projects
and
facility
expansion
costs,
so
those
are
generally
paid
by
developers.
They
come
in
to
request
those
water
and
sewer
allocations.
The
connection
fee
in
most
cases,
is
fairly
nominal
in
the
water.
E
E
E
E
This
is
an
interesting
slide.
We
talk
about
from
an
educational
standpoint.
You
know,
I
think
we
generally
undervalue
the
public,
water
and
sewer
utilities.
The
other
thing
that's
vastly
different
is
generally
the
water
and
sewer
utilities
are
built
on
a
quarterly
basis
in
some
cases
semi-annually.
So
we
all
get
all
our
other
utility
bills
on
a
monthly
basis.
So
you
know
when
we're
paying
230
dollars
for
a
certain,
you
know
Wi-Fi
and
cable
TV.
You
know
we're
comparing
that
to
our
quarterly
water
and
sewer
bill.
E
So
if
you
look
at
this
chart,
you
know
on
the
minimum
side.
You
know
somebody
in
South
Burlington
is
paying
twenty
dollars
a
a
month
for
water
and
sewer
you're,
paying
over
80
bucks
for
a
cell
phone.
The
other
thing
that's
interesting
too,
is,
in
your
case,
everybody's
build
on
it
currently
on
the
the
usage
except
for
the
minimum.
E
But
if
you
look
at
your
internet,
cable,
TV,
obviously
that
bill
is
not
based
on
usage.
You
pay
for
whatever
your
plan
and
program
is
and
I
just
got
my
gas
bill
a
couple
days
ago
and
of
course
you
don't
use
much
this
time
of
year
and
a
good
part
of
that
bill
is
fixed.
So
you
pay
x
amount
of
dollars,
irregardless
of
how
much
gas
and
the
electric
is
the
same
side
too.
D
The
estimated
cost
column
there
for-
and
you
went
down
internet
cell
phone
electric
natural
gas,
cable
TV-
is
that
just
a
fixed
cost
rate
or
is
that
just
based
on
the
the
actual
you
know
bills
that
their
their
customers
receive
and
that's
the
average
that
they've
put
out
there
that
on
average,
this
is
what
our
customers
pay
per
month.
Yep.
E
E
If
you're
looking
at
an
average
customer
in
South
Burlington,
it
uses
a
just
under
60,
000
gallons
per
year,
they're
going
to
be
paying
about
56
dollars
a
month,
the
other
ones
there
just
kind
of
generally
think
what
somebody
would
typically
see
for
I
didn't
want
to
get
into
specific.
You
know
internet
services
in
a
lab
what
you
would
see
for
some
of
those
other
private
utilities,
yep.
F
E
F
E
Much
yeah
I
just
got
my
bill
and
I
don't
use
much
and
it
was
still
like
30
bucks.
Most
of
that
was
fixed,
so
yeah
yeah,
and
why
that's
again
important?
Is
that
generally
the
way
the
city
builds
Water
and
Sewer,
except
for
if
you're
in
the
minimum?
You
know
you
pay
for
what
you
use.
There,
isn't
a
fixed
charge
or
base
rate
component
as
part
of
that.
E
So
current
water
and
sewer
rates
again
no
base
rate
or
fixed
fee.
You
pay
on
what
you
use
the
exception
to
that
is,
if
you're
at
the
minimum
side
of
things,
so
you
pay
a
minimum
of
a
thousand
cubic
feet
per
quarter,
so
it
doesn't
matter
what
you
use
under
that
you
pay
that
minimum
charge.
The
other
difference
here
too,
which
can
vary
in
other
communities,
is
everybody
pays
the
same
rate.
So
by
that
the
residential
customer
pays
the
same
usage
rate
as
a
commercial
customer
is
the
industrial?
Is
the
institutional
customers.
E
E
E
It
really
hasn't
allowed
the
city
to
keep
up
with
inflation,
and
this
is
probably
the
more
important
piece
really
to
set
aside
adequate
funds
for
future
upgrades.
So
that
really
hasn't
allowed
you
to
put
money
aside
for
Capital
and
that's
one
of
the
changes
that
really
needs
to
be
implemented.
Moving
forward
is
to
where
the
rate
increases
to
cover
some
of
those
capital
projects,
but
also
be
able
to
cover
the
debt
retirement.
You
guys
are
going
to
see.
You
know
down
the
road
here.
E
Once
some
of
these
projects
are
completed,
the
allocation
fees
really
should
be
generally
put
towards
the
debt
retirement
or
the
capital
projects.
They've
really
been
used
to
keep
the
water
and
sewer
rates
lower
in
previous
years,
which
is
why
you've
really
kept
under
the
three
percent
and
you,
regardless
of
whether
you
decide
you
know,
or
support,
a
change
in
the
race
structure.
E
E
The
water
rates
have
really
when
you
go
back
over
the
past,
several
years
have
increased
from
1.7
to
2.9.
So
that's
where
you
know
it's
been
less
than
three
percent,
which
really
hasn't
been
sufficient:
the
24
rate
again
on
usage,
36.21
cents
per
thousand
cubic
feet,
an
average
customer
uses
just
under
59,
000
gallons
per
year,
so
you're
going
to
pay
290
dollars
roughly
annually
for
water
about
72
dollars
quarterly.
Last
one.
You
know,
I
do
a
lot
of
this
around
the
state
and
Tom
and
I
went
back.
E
Is
this
the
lowest
or
it's
really
close
to
the
lowest
in
the
state
for
water?
You
know
we're
very
fortunate,
especially
in
Chittenden
County,
where
you
know
somebody
had
the
foresight
to
start
the
shipping
and
Champlain
water
district.
You
know,
and
it's
scalable
when
we
get
into
a
lot
of
other
Water
Systems
around
the
state.
You
know
the
water
costs
are
significantly
more.
E
Water
supply,
so
you
know
the
city
of
South
Burlington
does
not
produce
their
own
water
everything's
produced,
treated
and
produced
and
supplied
by
the
Champlain
water
district
to
all
many
of
the
Chittenden
County
communities.
The
city
really
pays
for
what
you
purchase
for
water,
so
the
city
is
not
in
the
business
of
producing
and
treating
the
water.
You
purchase
that
at
a
wholesale
rate,
the
CWD
wholesale
rates
recently
have
ranged
from
about
3.4
to
9.5
percent,
so
you
can
see
where
the
Delta
is,
and
this
is
a
significant
part
of
your
water
expenses.
E
E
Water
customers,
a
little
bit
over
6349
about
12
percent,
are
non-residential,
so
the
non-residential
category
would
include
commercial,
industrial,
institutional
customers.
This
was
a
pretty
interesting
statistic.
Here
is
about
41
of
the
South
Burlington
water
customers
pay
the
minimum
or
use
less
than
a
thousand
cubic
feet.
Just
an
interesting
number
here
and
that's
creates
one
of
the
challenges
you
know
we
have
with
changing
and
resetting
the
rates
and
then
not
a
big
surprise,
but
we
have
the
list
of
your
largest
water
customers
and
those
Trader
Dukes,
the
air
guard.
E
E
E
E
So
Water
Aid
Alternatives
there's
a
lot
of
information
in
the
report.
There's
a
whole
bunch
of
different
options.
You
can
go
with
here
and
as
I
mentioned
previously,
there
isn't
one
size
fits
all.
We
went
through
a
lot
of
different
billing
structures
scenarios.
Ideally
you
would
like
these
to
be
the
same
for
the
water
and
sewer
and
I'll
just
kind
of
quickly
go
through
these
number.
One
is
really
how
you're
doing
it
now
with
no
changes.
You're
just
billing
on
usage,
the
minimum
would
stay
the
same
at
the
Thousand
cubic
feet.
E
So
the
net
case,
the
usage
charge,
is
going
to
go
down
a
little
bit
because
people
are
paying
a
paying
a
base
rate
number
three
different,
fixed
rate
for
each
customer
category,
so,
for
example,
the
residential
customers
paying
X
for
a
fixed
rate,
the
commercial
customers
paying
a
little
slightly
different
base
rate,
the
usage
rate
there
could
still
be
all
the
same
Williston,
for
example,
on
their
water
rates.
So,
for
example,
the
residential
customer
pays
ten
dollars
for
a
quarter.
The
commercial
customers
paying
two
times
that
so
that
can
be
a
structure.
E
Number
four
is
the
fixed
rate
based
on
meter
size.
So
if
you
have
a
5
8
inch
meter,
you
pay
X
and
then
based
on
the
size.
That
fee
goes
up
quite
a
bit,
especially
when
you
get
up
into
the
four
six
eight
inch
larger
meters.
That's
a
common
rate
structure
with
you
know
some
of
the
larger
other
Vermont
communities
and
you
can
get
into
a
lot
of
complicated
scenarios.
You
can
have
different
rate
structures
for
different
or
different
fixed
rates
for
different
customer
categories.
You
can
use
the
usage
side.
E
Residential
customer
can
pay
a
certain
usage
rate.
Commercial
can
pay
certain
usage
rate.
You
can
have
different
tiers,
but
again
we
really
try
to
keep
this
simple.
You
know
and
follow
what
you've
generally
done
in
the
past
again,
there's
not
one
size
fits
all,
but
we
really
tried
to
follow
kind
of
your
previous
methodology.
E
So
the
recommendation
on
the
water
rates
is
really
to
go
with
alternative
number
three:
that's
the
different
fixed
rate
for
the
residential
non-residential
customers,
and
what
we're
doing
there
is.
We
would
set
the
fixed
rate
for
the
non-residential
customers
at
two
times,
the
rate
fixed
rate
for
the
residential
customers
and
what
we
keyed
in
here
is.
We
looked
at
trying
to
use
the
fixed
rate
to
generate
certain
levels
of
income,
and
what
we
keyed
in
here
initially
was
to
use
that
to
cover
your
debt
retirement,
which
is
about
18
of
the
fixed
expenses.
E
One
of
the
reasons
we
ended
up
on
number
three
here,
which
you'll
see
was
some
of
the
increases,
is,
if
we
didn't
do
it
this
way,
it
more
increased
the
rates
on
the
lower
end
users,
the
residential
customers.
So
we
were
trying
to
soften
that
little
bit
in
in
a
middle
ground
as
we've
as
I
mentioned.
Previously,
the
rates
need
to
go
up
irregardless
of
whether
you
change
the
race
structure,
so
we're
concerned
about
the
head
or
the
impact
for
those
customers
that
are
using
the
minimum,
and
this
seemed
like
a
good
kind
of
Middle.
E
E
E
What's
interesting
is
the
first,
you
know
three
or
six
on
the
list
are
all
supplied
by
Champlain
water
districts,
so
South
Burlington,
Essex,
Williston,
Essex,
town,
Shelburne
and
Milton,
so
you
can
see
they're,
all
relatively
close,
so
Burlington
still
has
the
lowest
rate.
Currently
you
know
based
on
the
FY
23
numbers
when
you're.
Looking
at
this,
you
really
need
to
pick
that
kind
of
average
residential
customer
and
then
run
the
rate
for
each
that's.
The
only
way
you
can
equitably
kind
of
make
sure
you're,
comparing
apples
and
apples
when
you're
doing
this
exercise.
E
Burlington
is
quite
a
bit
higher
they're.
Of
course
you
know,
have
their
own
Supply
their
own
treatment
and
then
Hinesburg
is
even
quite
a
bit
higher
and
they
have
their
own
water
supply
treatment
system.
So
again,
it's
just
not
as
scalable
but
we're
fortunate.
We
have
the
scalability
of
the
Champlain
water
district
because
that's
really
helped
to
keep
water
rates
affordable
for
many
years
and.
E
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
with
the
water
rate
projections
with
implementing
this
base
right
here,
is
really
trying
to
soften
the
increase
and
we're
going
to
get
into
this
in
a
couple
more
slides.
But
on
the
water
side,
you
have
a
couple
pretty
large
significant
water
Improvement
projects
coming
up,
in
addition
to
some
capital
projects
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
by
the
time
we
get
to
FY
26
is
to
make
sure
that
you're
generating
enough
Revenue
here
to
be
able
to
cover
those
future
debt
payments.
E
So
we
took
those
project,
costs
and
I'll
get
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
later
here,
but
you're
really
and
then
to
really
to
start
with.
You
know
we
started
with
fy24
your
current
rate,
it's
just
on
the
usage
fee,
but
what
we
do
when
we
try
to
calculate
these
rates
is
we
need
to
generate
the
same
amount
of
Revenue
so
for
fy24
for
residential
customer?
You
know
we
would
predict
that
they
would
pay
about
17.89
per
quarter
71.56
annually,
and
then
the
usage
fee
would
go
down
from
3621
to
29.69
yep.
L
E
Sorry,
yep,
okay
got
it
and
then
what
we're
doing
here
is
we're
increasing
this
fixed
rate
as
we
go
in
fy25
and
fy26
and
you'll
see
us
start
to
stabilize,
but
we're
trying
to
make
sure
we're
generating
enough
Revenue
out
of
that
fixed
rate
to
cover
your
future
debt
payment
and
then,
when
you're,
going
down
to
the
bottom
part
of
the
table
here.
So
this
is
the
non-residential
moderate,
which
is
really
two
times
the
residential.
A
E
Yes,
yep
and
we
tried
to
be
conservative.
I've
got
a
couple
slides
later
here.
That
would
help
with
that
a
little
bit,
but
you
know
what
I
did
is
I
took
the
toll
project
costs
estimated
when
that
first
loan
payment
would
we
do
we
included
the
principal
and
interests
assumed
no
subsidy,
no
grants.
So
you
know
I'd
like
to
think
we
presented
kind
of
the
worst
case
scenario
here
for
you,
so
this
can
be
Revisited
a
little
bit.
E
Yes,
so
if
you
go
back
to
that,
previous
slide,
I
mean
you're
already
on
the
lower
end.
Williston
has
a
similar
on
the
water
side,
so
they
do
two
times
so
yeah
they're
in
line
pretty
similar
with
you
know
those
communities
that
are
you,
know,
connected
or
purchased
water
from
Champlain
water,
stroke.
G
E
So
this
gives
you
an
idea
what
the
annual
impacts
and
what
we
tried
to
do
on
the
left
here
is
pick
some.
You
know
what
we
kind
of
typical
customers.
We
really
want
to
make
sure
we
understand
how
this
is
going
to
affect
different
customer
categories.
The
first
one
is
that
residential,
it's
on
the
minimum
side,
then
the
second
row
down
is
that
average
residential
customer
third
one
down
would
just
be
kind
of
a
typical
non-residential
office
and
the
one
at
the
bottom
would
be
a
restaurant.
E
So
if
you're
going
up
to
like
fy25,
you
can
see,
you
know
that
17.3
percent,
then
11.8
percent,
23.8
percent,
13.9
percent
and
those
kind
of
vary
a
little
bit
as
we
go
forward.
But
when
you
get
to
FY
27
the
increases
of
drop
down
significantly
because
we're
getting
the
fixed
rate
up
to
a
point,
you
know
where
you're,
covering
that
loan
payment
that
first
loan
payment,
that's
due
in
FY
27.
and
we're
really
recommending
that
the
increases
be
phased
in,
because
what
you
don't
want
to
do
is
wait
until
fy27
and
you're
going.
E
E
E
E
E
and
if
you
did
get
some
Grant
funds,
for
example,
on
the
tank
or
there's
some
modifications
on
that.
That
fee
can
absolutely
be
lowered,
but
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
were
conservative
kind
of
painting
a
worst
case
scenario
at
this
point
in
time,
and
then
one
thing
Williston
does
that
you
may
want
to
consider
too,
is
the
they
offer
a
reduction
of
50
percent
for
affordable
housing
on
those
allocation
fees.
So
that
could
be
a
city
council
decision,
but
just
wanted
to
present
that
that
could
be
an
option
for
consideration.
Q
D
E
Oh,
the
monthly
charges
for
the
water
and
sewer.
No,
there
generally
isn't
you
know
it's
something.
We've
talked
about
quite
often
to
you
know
it's
the
rate
increases
honestly,
our
awful
top
because
at
the
minimum,
it's
always
that
person
in
some
cases
on
a
fixed
income,
yeah
exactly
you
know,
and
that's
obviously
something
you
could
have
some
more
discussion
about.
I
think
the
challenge
with
some
of
that
we
actually
talked
about
some
other.
You
know
considerations
too
I
think
trying
to
manage.
That
administratively
is.
How
do
you
do
that?
A
Q
Q
G
R
We
currently
own
Four
Water
Systems
in
Colchester,
we're
billing
for
that,
okay
plus
the
city
of
South
Burlington.
This
will
be
the
first
one
that
will
go
fixed
rate
or
you
know,
as
proposed,
but
I
think
the
other
four
we're
looking
at
something
similar
and
our
billing
program
does
have
this
capability,
because.
E
G
D
D
F
B
For
our
residents,
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
with
administering
that
at
the
local
level
is
income
data
is
not
data.
The
city
has
access
to
so
the
primary
way.
That's
stabilized
in
our
communities
through
the
state
Ed
fund
and
the
homestead
declaration,
which
is
directly
linked
to
all
the
Statewide
income
data.
We
don't
we
don't.
We
would
have
to
go
through
I,
think
I,
believe
a
charter
change
to
get
that.
D
I
understand
you
know,
and,
and
what
this
means
to
me
you
know
is
I
hear
from
residents.
You
have
to
consider
changes.
You
have
to
consider
downsizing.
You
have
to
consider
bringing
in
more
people
to
live
with
you,
you
have
to
I
mean
we
just
have
to
be
open
to
to
you
know
as
an
individual.
You
know
homeowner
or
or
renter
renter
right
right.
E
What's
interesting
on
the
usage
side
is
we've
seen
it
flat
now
at
or
even
decline
in
many
cases
too,
which
is
a
good
thing,
because
you
know
you're
better
able
to
manage
the
capacity
you
have,
but
with
all
the
new
construction
you
have
smaller
households,
so
people
I
think
are
just
and
the
younger
kids
are
a
lot
more
educated
about
water
conservation
too.
So
you
know
you're
shutting
the
faucet
off
when
you
brush
your
teeth
and
the
appliances
and
all
that.
I
D
E
So
this
is
a
photo
of
the
you
know:
they'll
be
the
twin
East
storage
tank,
which
is
one
of
the
significant
water
Improvement
projects
that
you
have
forthcoming,
just
quickly
a
chart
on
allocation
rates
by
System.
Again,
people
have
kind
of
different
nomenclature
and
all
that
stuff,
but
you
can
see
South
Burlington
is
still
at
the
low
end
of
this
and
there's
several
of
these
communities
are
looking
at
some
pretty
significant
capital
projects
on
the
waterslide
Milton
Winooski,
what
other
ones
I
think
Essex
town.
E
E
Q
Do
so
we
looks
like
we're
going
to
be
awarded
half
a
million
through
the
crrp
program.
I
send
some
paperwork
back,
but
it
looks
like
that
was
our
allocation.
I
think
we'd
ask
for
a
million
and
we
were
lucky
enough
to
be
awarded
half
a
million.
So
that's
good
on
the
water
side,
but
we're
finalizing
all
that
pay.
B
It
out
I
I'm
wrong
on
this,
but
I
do
want
to
call
out
that
is
the
third
Tom
and
his
team
wrote
three
different
grants
to
support
that
project,
and
this
is
the
one
we
are
awarded
we
are.
We
are
starting
to
face
a
challenge
in
South,
Burlington
of
being
a
with
Statewide
prioritization
of
not
in
the
county
communities.
We
are
becoming
less
and
less
competitive
for
these
kinds
of
Grants,
but
Tom
and
his
team
and
Paul
are
doing
a
huge
amount
of
work
to
try
and
leverage
as
much
money
in
as
possible.
B
E
Okay,
so
just
quickly
in
the
water
connection
fee
not
recommending
any
changes,
it
charged
one
thousand
two
hundred
fifty
dollars
per
unit.
That
includes
the
cost
of
the
water
meter
in
the
city,
Champlain
Water
District's
cost
for
performing
supplying
materials,
inspection,
that's
pretty
straightforward,
so
no
changes
proposed
there
and
then
the
last
one
is
on
the
water
ordinance.
It's
pretty
dated
it's
over
20
years
old,
Champlain
water
district
has
been
through
that
and
proposed
a
bunch
of
updates
and
changes.
It
really
needs
some
housekeeping
several
updates.
I
E
Know
whether
or
not
you
want
to
change
the
rate
structure,
so
a
lot
of
that
updates
are
in
definitions,
terminology
and
how
things
are
used.
And
if
you
do
change
choose
to
change
the
rate
structure,
then
that's
going
to
be
part
of
the
updates
required
to
the
water
ordinance,
but
that
would
be
a
step
after
if
you
concur
with
the
changes
in
the
water
rate
structure.
G
R
G
R
R
E
E
Yep
so
fy24
rate,
you
know
48
dollars
and
20
cents
per
thousand
cubic
feet.
Average
residential
customer
pays
a
little
over
385
dollars
annually,
96
dollars
a
quarterly
again,
some
of
the
lowest
sewer
costs
in
Vermont.
You
know:
sewer
costs
generally
start
at
450
to
500
a
year
for
a
typical
customer
and
get
up
as
high
as
a
Thousand,
Eleven
Hundred
twelve
hundred
dollars
in
some
cases,
so
very
low
sewer
rate
compared
to
many
other
Vermont
communities.
E
Fy
24
expenses
a
little
bit
over
5
million
annual
loan
payment.
This
is
a
little
bit
different
than
the
water,
because
you're
carrying
some
pretty
significant
debt
on
the
sewer
budget,
one
million
155
000,
the
good
news
on
that
is
Colchester-
pays
a
significant
portion
of
that,
so
they
pay
742
thousand
three
hundred
and
ten
dollars
towards
the
airport,
Parkway
upgrade
that
was
done
for
them
to
purchase
and
pay
for
that
capacity.
That
was
loaned
out
that
million
gallons
per
day.
E
G
E
E
So
sewer
rate
Alternatives
very
similar
to
the
water.
Again,
we
want
to
make
sure,
there's
a
consistency.
We
really
would
prefer
not
to
have
a
different
billing
rate
structure
for
the
water
and
sewer
that
just
confuses
people.
So
these
are
really
the
same
options.
We
kind
of
vetted
and
decided
upon
to
look
at
the
sewer.
E
E
So,
for
example,
if
we
tried
to
implement
alternative
number
three
on
the
sewer
side,
Colchester
would,
in
theory
only
pay
one
fixed
rate
or
base
rate,
even
though
they're
contributing
you
know,
16
percent
of
the
flow
to
the
airport,
Parkway,
Plant
and,
and
that
aside,
the
current
agreement
doesn't
even
allow
them
to
be
billed
a
base
rate.
It's
all
just
going
to
be
built
on
usage,
and
so
what
would
happen
if
we
did
go
to
number
three
is
Colchester
would
and
actually
be
paying
less
on
the
sewer
than
they
do
currently
now.
E
So
this
table
again
is
a
little
bit
different
with
the
water,
because
it's
just
based
on
what
you
do
now
and
what
we're
really
trying
to
do
with
you
know
you
pass
the
bond
vote
here
back
in
March
or
the
three
Wastewater
projects,
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
on
the
desk
side
is
get
you
to
the
point
in
FY
28,
where
you
can
cover
those
future
loan
payments.
So,
if
we're
looking
at
where
you
are
currently
on
the
usage
side,
you
know
it's
at
48.20
fy25.
A
E
E
E
You
know
a
little
bit
under
12,
but
again
we're
trying
to
get
that
that
payment
by
the
time
we
hit
FY
29,
so
you've
got
enough
Revenue
in
there
to
cover
that
first
loan
payment
so
and
again
kind
of
recommending
you
phasing
the
increases,
because
what
you
don't
want
to
do
is
end
up
with
a
28
or
30
percent
increase.
You
know
two
or
three
salad
at
least
so
it's
a
little
bit
easier
for
people.
E
So
one
of
the
challenges
here
you
know
going
back
to
the
goals
and
objectives
because
we
can't
change
the
rate
structure.
You
know
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
tougher
hit
or
the
increases
on
the
you
know,
those
on
the
residential
side
that
use
the
minimum
and
because
we
just
don't
have
a
choice
here.
We
have
to
add
that
into
the
into
the
usage.
Q
Fee
I
just
want
to
know
too.
These
are
again
the
worst
case
scenario,
numbers
or
yeah,
actively
working
on
getting
grants.
We're
waiting
for
the
intended
use
plan
to
get
finalized
to
figure
out
a
full
funding
package
for
the
Wastewater
plan,
the
Bartlett
Bay
Wastewater
plan
upgrade
and
the
other
projects
as
well
so
yep.
B
E
No,
it's
not
Jesse,
so
that's
a
good
point,
I
mean
if
you
guys,
you
know
historically
moving
forward.
If
you
start
connecting
more
people
on
that
that
can
help
you
soften
or
back
down.
You
know,
I
feel
we've
tried
to
do
kind
of
the
reiterate:
Toms
try
to
make
kind
of
the
worst
case,
more
conservative
scenario
here:
yeah.
A
B
E
A
E
G
G
E
And
colchester's
already
made
a
significant
investment
in
the
airport
Parkway
facility.
So
it
really-
wouldn't
you
know,
they've
still
carrying
quite
a
bit
of
debt,
so
be
pretty
challenging
funny.
Their
sewer
rates
honestly
are
already
high
they're
in
the
eight
to
nine
hundred
dollar
range
because
of
the
debt
they're
carrying
so
be
pretty
hard
for
them
to
go
in
on
their
own.
You
know
with
a
different
approach.
E
So
annual
sewer
costs
again
this
just
a
comparison
to
other
kind
of
some
of
the
other
chittendening
County
communities,
little
difference
in
the
water
because
everybody
has
their
own
wastewater
treatment
facility,
except
for
you
know,
Essex
Junction.
The
tri-town
takes
Willis
than
an
Essex
town,
but
you
can
see.
South
Burlington
is
at
the
very
low
end
of
what
a
typical
residential
customer
pays
for
sewer.
L
E
playing
sewer
improvements.
You
know
the
bartletts
bay
upgrade,
which
is
a
if
there's
some
minor
solids
handling
improvements
at
airport
Parkway
and
several
Pump
Station
upgrades.
That
was
a
bond
vote
that
was
passed
in
March
for
33.8
million
again
assuming
no
Grant
subsidy
with
principal
and
interest.
You
know
we're
up
at
around
41.7
million.
E
So
you
know
we're
recommending
something
lower
than
that
20
or
less
so
that
you
obviously
want
to
remain
competitive
with
the
other
kind
of
surrounding
Chittenden
County
communities
and
then
the
last
thing
for
consideration
with
a
lot
of
the
focus
on
the
lack
of
Housing
and
supporting
affordable
housing,
as
you
could
choose
to,
you
know,
provide
a
break
or
a
discount
on
the
sewer
connection
fees.
For
anything.
You
know
by
definition
as
affordable
housing.
E
Connect,
no,
they
would
because
they
already
own
a
million
gallons
per
day
over
there,
so
they
would
be
considered
a
new
customer
yep.
But
that's
a
good
point
here.
The
thing
that
the
city
also
has
to
be
careful
about
is
per
the
agreement
with
Colchester.
Is
you
know,
they're
not
on
the
hook
for
contributing
to
the
debt
retirement
for
anything
that
isn't
specific
to
their
conveyance
flow
when
the
airport
Parkway
so,
for
example,
the
bartletts
bay
plant?
You
know
they're
not
on
the
hook
for
helping
or
assisting
with
paying
that
retirement.
E
E
You
know
if
you
get
to
the
point
where
you're
collecting
and
get
some
good
historical
data,
and
it
gets
kind
of
ahead
of
your
projections.
You
know
you
can
take
this
and
probably
back
down
some
of
the
rate
increases
and
the
sewer
rates,
because
this
is
really
intended
to
go
towards
the
debt
retirement,
that's
embedded
in
those
costs
for
the
sewer
rates.
E
So
again,
I
feel
like
we've
taken
a
conservative
kind
of
worst
case
scenario
and
as
if
the
allocation
fees
start
coming
in
better
that
you
anticipated
over
the
next
two
to
three
years.
It's
going
to
light
it
back
down
on
you
know,
maybe
even
what
you're
charging
for
the
allocation
fee,
but
what
the
sewer
rate
increases
need
to
be
to
you
know
be
able
to
make
that
that
retirement.
You
know
once
construction
is
completed.
E
E
K
I
want
to
actually
just
go
back
to
focus
on
the
question
we're
being
asked,
which
is
the
change
to
the
rate
structure
and
do
so.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
that
41
percent
of
the
customers
today
basically
have
a
meter
where
they're
using
less
than
a
thousand
cubic
feet
per
quarter
and
they're
paying
this
minimum.
So
is
that
right,
so
41
basically
pay
that's
correct,
like
144
bucks
a
year
and
those
customers
that
that
entire
41
group
of
customers
are
going
to
be
moving
to
paying.
E
K
K
E
D
E
The
thing
that
we
need
to
kind
of
go
back
to
you
know
and
I
know
these
again,
that's
a
tough
category
to
hit
significant
increases,
but
it
kind
of
comes
back
to
the
cost
of
service.
You
know
if
we
go
back
to
these
other
utilities.
The
challenges
as
you
pay
and
I
know:
they're
private,
but
Vermont
Gas,
Green,
Mountain
Power,
your
cell
phone
and
you're
you're,
paying
a
certain
amount
every
month,
just
for
the
cost
of
service,
and
when
we
go
to
your
expenses
in
both
the
water
and
sewer.
E
You
know
a
significant
portion
and
the
water
is
a
little
bit
different
here,
because
a
lot
you
know
about
half
of
that
is
water
purchased
from
Champlain
Water
District.
But
a
lot
of
that
is
fixed
costs
and
part
of
it
is
people
paying
their
fair
share
of
the
cost
of
service
and
what
you
need
to
be
a
little
careful
about.
Is
you
preferably
don't
want
certain
customer
categories
subsidizing?
So,
for
example,
you
know
you
don't
want
the
average
residential
customer
subsidizing,
those
on
the
minimum
side
nor
the
commercial
you
know
subsetting
the
others.
K
K
E
J
D
A
K
B
K
K
E
I
Q
K
G
G
G
A
A
G
G
J
My
issue
with
with
that
with
the
proposal
is
that,
in
essence,
there's
a
minimum
threshold
to
water
usage
like
if
and
ultimately,
what
it
feels
like
we're
doing
is.
If
you
are
a
second
homeowner
and
you're,
only
in
your
home
part-time,
we're
going
to
shift
a
disproportionate
amount
of
the
increase
onto
full-time
residents,
who
might
have
larger
families
who
are
going
to
have
higher
usage
rates.
J
Because,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
we're
using
less
right
like
if
and
I'm,
not
an
engineer,
I'm,
not
an
ecologist
I
have
no
idea
what
a
low
water
threshold
is.
But
if
we're
talking
whatever
the
measure
is
that's
500
or
less
I
would
imagine
the
only
way
you're
realistically
going
to
achieve
that
threshold
is
if
you
only
live
there,
part-time.
K
D
D
G
E
G
Meter,
okay,
so
the
HOA
or
whoever
administers,
gets
one
bill.
Would
that
bill?
That's
it
would
be
well,
it
would
be
a
residential
rate,
but
they
would
have
many
thousands
of
cubic
feet
of
water,
and
so
that's
that's
kind
of
built
into
their
cost
structure
for
what
they
charge
for
rents
and
things
like
that.
Okay,.
G
I
G
It's
probably
the
same
way
a
condo
like,
let's
see,
let's
take,
for
example,
Eastwood
Commons,
one
there's,
probably
one
pipe.
That
goes
to
that
and
no
you
know
one
meter,
and
so
so
my
point
is
what's
interesting.
Here
is
that
large
multi-family
units
don't
have
any
incentive
to
conserve
water
other
than
education,
right
and
or
the
HOA
or
the
property
management
saying
you're
using
too
much
water.
You
know
and
in
fact
the
the
the
the
the
manager
property
manager
doesn't
even
really
know
who
in
the
building
is
using
the
most
water
right
right.
G
K
G
K
I
K
Are
non-residents
so
with
like
90
units
they're
effectively
just
on
a
usage-free
basis,
they're,
not
really
going
to
see
the
impact
on
yeah.
That's
right!
It's
diminished!
That's
right!
It
seems
like
it's
hitting
unfairly.
Honestly.
I,
don't
know
it
doesn't
it
sounds.
It
sounds
like
an
odd
system
to
me.
Yeah.
E
You
know
build
them
that
fixed
or
base
rate
on
what
we
think
they
may
be
kind
of
using,
and
is
why
we
kind
of
ended
up
in
that
middle
ground
of
number
three,
where
it
maybe
didn't
get
us
all
the
way
to
number
four,
but
it
also
was
a
good
middle
ground.
It
wasn't
a
tough
hit
on
some
of
these
other
commercial
customers,
because
you
get
into
also
there's
a
lot
of
just
office,
building
kind
of
basic
that
don't
use
a
whole
lot
of
water.
E
B
G
K
M
K
L
L
I
K
G
Q
Q
G
D
G
One
seems
particularly
unfair:
what's
not
fair
is
a
market
rate
apartment
building
that
doesn't
have
a
scaled,
fixed
use
cost
compared
to
my
house
right.
So
if
a
40
unit
market
rate
apartment
building
has
got
40
times
the
amount
of
water
that
I
use.
Essentially,
then
that
should
be
a
trigger
saying
that
if
you
use
that
much
water,
then
your
fixed
rate's
going
to
go
up
as
well
or
you
increase
their
fixed.
G
D
Would
make
it
one
to
one
I
I
do
think
we
have
to
think
about
again
our
climate
action
plan,
where
we
have
to
determine
what
style
of
living
to
be
quite
honest,
is
going
to
be
more
resilient,
is
going
to
make
us
Less
consumptive
in
terms
of
energy,
water,
everything
and,
and
we
incentivize
that
and
I'm,
not
saying
that
there
should
be
not
kind
of
a
a
threshold
like
what
you're
talking
about,
but
for
it
to
be
one
to
one.
I
am
not
on
board
with
that.
What.
D
Where,
if
they,
you
know,
use
40
gallons
for
their
40
units
and
a
single
family
home
uses,
let's
just
say
one
gallon
right,
so
that
one
I'm
just
using
simple
numbers,
so
that
one
gal
would
be
a
threshold
for
the
single
family
home
that
the
40
gallons
for
that
40
unit.
Multi-Family
structure
would
not
trigger
right,
so
I
would
not
make
it
40,
gallons.
I
would
make
it
perhaps
60
gallons
something
to
incentivize
that
multi-family
housing.
K
G
G
About
that,
the
appliances
the
applied
and
assuming
behavior
is
the
same.
The
appliances
have
caused
these
decreases
in
usage
and
then
decrease
flows
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plants
as
well,
because
because
they're
doing
their
job
right.
That's
why
our
former
president
complained
so
much
about
the
low
flow
shower
head
so
much
right.
G
He
eats
it
when
there's
not
enough
water.
So
this
is
that
so
the
so
the
the
point
of
that
is
that
again,
like
Andrew's,
saying
that
a
a
large
market
rate
apartment
building
that
if
you
have
a
three,
a
three
bedroom
unit,
a
three
bedroom
unit
versus
a
three
bedroom
residential
home
that
apartment
building
is
not
going
to
share
the
same
fixed
costs
as
the
home
because
we're
going
to
get
that
fixed
cost.
I've.
B
I
R
A
D
E
It
was
a
huge
increase
in
some
cases
like
to
four
inch
I
think
by
the
time
you
projected
they
were
going
to
be
looking
at
over
seven
thousand
dollars
a
year
just
on
the
base
rate
side
and
I
didn't
feel
that
like
so.
If
you've
got
an
apartment
building,
that's
got
20
units
and
another
one.
That's
got
40.
I!
E
Didn't
feel
at
the
pipe
size
coming
in
was
necessarily
proportional
to
the
number
of
units
in
that
building,
so
that
was
my
hesitation
a
little
bit,
which
is
why
we
kind
of
looked
at
this
alternative
to
see
if
we
could
kind
of
make
that
work.
But
the
pipe
size
to
me
didn't
seem
to
be
a
great
indicator,
accurate
indicator
of
how
many
units
were
in
that
building.
So
you
could
maybe
have
a
building
that
had
five
units.
E
A
A
The
equity
issue,
but
I
think
you
can
get
caught
up
in
those
details
in
a
way
that
makes
it
pretty
cumbersome
and
not
cost
effective.
Even
though,
maybe
you
can
say
that
someone
who
doesn't
use
very
much
water
is
getting
a
deal,
but
they
are
getting
a
deal
now
in
my
opinion,
but
see
I,
don't
get
any
of
it
anyway.
K
K
K
B
So
going
back
to
the
beginning
and
Wayne,
of
course
correct
me
here,
I
think
the
the
point,
the
starting
point
to
look
at
a
base
rate
is
especially
as
we're
investing
40
million
dollars
into
new
systems.
Is
you
still
have
to
pay
to
play?
So,
even
if
you
have
no
usage,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
have
usage.
You
have
the
asset
that
belongs
to
your
home.
R
K
Sorry,
Jesse,
that
makes
sense
if
it's
usage
and
there's
a
minimum
usage,
that's
fine!
It's
pay
to
play,
but
doing
good
on
usage
avoids
this
Distortion
of
having
to
figure
out.
You
know
how
to
evenly
allocate
the
fixed
rate
among
different
building
types
right.
That's
what
we
have
to
have
this
whole
discussion
that
we're
not
resolving.
If
you
just
go
back
to
usage
and
minimum
usage,
so
everyone
pays
to
play.
I
mean.
E
G
G
L
D
D
G
A
F
G
A
A
S
S
Those
districts
are
already
approved,
so
we
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
really
quick
one
and
we'll
really
be
a
strong
benefit
to
our
partners,
who
are
pursuing
projects
in
that
part
of
the
city
to
help
them
have
either
lessened
act,
250
fees
or
in
some
cases,
maybe
not
being
in
that
250,
which
is
a
really
strong
benefit
and
incentive
to
be
in
our
work
here.
Also
in
your
packet
are
three
draft
Community
investment
agreements,
so
both.
S
This
is
the
exact
same
or
almost
the
exact
same
development
agreement
that
we've
had
with
the
umall
prior
owners
and
with
the
folks
in
the
hard
in
along
Market
Street,
we're
proposing
to
add
a
third
development
agreement
partner
in
Joe
Larkin,
who
is
owns
property
at
1068,
Williston
Road,
and
also
where
the
CVS
that
property
so
really
right.
One
of
our
key
gateways,
and
so
we'd
be
seeking
your
authorization
for
the
city
manager
to
enter
into
agreements
substantially
similar
to
those
the
Agreements
are
essentially
in
agreement
to
agree.
S
D
K
J
G
D
A
D
Just
help,
if
that's
okay,
sure
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
putting
this
on
the
agenda.
It
was
a
request
that
I
had
made
the
reason
I
made.
This
request
is
multifaceted,
but
it
grew
at
least
kind
of
was
compelled
by
the
last
meeting
of
the
charter.
Review
Committee,
where
an
audience
member
seemed
dissatisfied
that
the
the
charter,
Review
Committee,
had
not
considered
other
options
to
ensure,
which
is
the
charge
that
we
gave
to
them
to
ensure
that
voices
are
equitably,
represented
represented
at
policy
making
tables
and
the
response
of
the
chart.
D
Review
Committee
members
to
that
question
was
what
would
the
council
ask
the
committee
to
do
further,
to
quote
unquote
according
to
the
charge,
ensure
that
voices
are
equitably
represented
at
policy
making
tables
and
so
the
direction
that
this
Council
through
our
priorities
and
goals
Retreat
back
over
a
year
ago
and
those
don't
represent?
The
views
of
two
of
the
five
counselors
here
gave
direction
to
the
Charter
Review
Committee.
D
You
know
really
stray
from
that
and
as
I
got
you
know
further
along
with
them,
and
there
were
then
you
know
the
forums
with
the
community
members
and
I
was
seeing
the
results
of
this.
This
online
survey
I
really
saw
that
you
know
many
members
of
the
public
were
looking
for
levers
to
pull
where
they
could
gain
kind
of.
D
You
know
some
some
power
in
terms
of
determining
what
we
would
be
talking
about
in
our
meetings,
our
agendas
and
and
and
decision
making,
and
so
I
brought
to
the
attention
at
in
at
least
one
of
the
forums
to
the
provision
in
our
Charter
for
neighborhood
forums,
and
then
I
brought
it
up
again
in
two
of
the
meetings
and
no
one
really
looked
into
it
and
except
for
a
reporter
who
asked
me
about
it
afterwards
and
and
I
wanted
us
to.
You
know
really
think
about
a
Equity.
D
Is
it
based
on
the
number
of
people
who
are
serving
as
elected
officials?
Is
it
based
on
Wards
versus
at
large,
and
how
does
that
you
know
interact
or
or
what
are
the
ways
it
will?
It
will
function
in
terms
of
what
we
have
in
our
Charter,
which
is
these
neighborhood
councils
and
so
I'm,
just
gonna
just.
I
E
D
D
A
D
Advantage
of
the
neighborhood
forums
is
that
it's
out
of
our
hands.
It
is
up
to
the
individual,
neighborhood
neighborhoods,
right
or
HOAs.
To
and
many
neighborhoods
don't
have
HOAs
to
come
to
the
city
council
and
say
we
need
your
attention.
There
is
an
issue
that
you
have
not
dealt
with
and
we
see
it
as
something
that
is
is
really
demanding
your
attention
as
a
top
priority
and
it's
been
used
twice.
D
It's
been
used
by
East,
Avenue
folks
and
again
they're
still
talking
to
me
at
least
about
parking
on
East
Avenue
and
it's
been
used
by
the
Chamberlain,
neighborhood
and
I
believe
Paul
you're
here
or
he
was
here
that
that
Chamberlain
neighborhood
initiative
through
the
neighborhood
forums
to
get
our
attention
actually
led
to
the
synapsis,
the
Chamberlain
neighborhood
airport
planning
committee.
So
it
it
has
had
teeth
and
what
I
think
would
be
useful
is
for
the
committee
to
look
at
it
because
they're
charged
specifically,
was
to
consider
ways
and
again
I'll.
A
D
I
would
ask
them
to
think
about
because
they
are
coming
back,
asking
us
to
increase
the
number
of
elected
officials,
the
number
of
seven
or
eight
on
the
school
board
and
they're.
Coming
back
with
a
recommendation
that
school
board
members
remain
at
large
and
with
no
consensus
on
city
councilors,
and
they
don't
want
to
change
city
manager.
They
don't
want
to
change
the.
D
D
Right
so,
let's
say
you
know:
I
eastwoods
and
Route
7
Corridor,
we're
not
sure
we
really
want
those
high-rise
apartment
buildings
and
that's
what
I've
been
hearing
okay
in
these
meetings
and
why
is
it
that
Williston,
Road
and
Shelburne
Road
are
going
to
be
so
built
out?
Okay,
that
was
one
feedback.
We
need
to
have
somebody
from
eastwoods
there
to
say:
no.
We
don't
want
that
right,
I'm,
just
giving
you
some
feedback.
D
Another
example
was
a
member
from
Queen
City
Park,
who
said
you
know
if
we
had
had
a
counselor
from
Queen
City,
Park
Burton
never
would
have
gotten.
You
know
this
permit
from
from
Burlington,
but
as
I
reminded
that
Resident
and
as
I
reminded
the
committee
as
soon
as
that
neighborhood
informed
us.
The
next
day
we
had
letters
to
the
Burlington
City
Council
within
24
hours.
D
We
had
three
individual
counselors
who
reached
out
didn't
get
the
time
of
day,
but
nevertheless
we
couldn't
call
a
meeting
in
that
amount
of
time,
but
we
had
three
individual
City
councilors
reach
out
to
through
written
form
and
one
through
phone
call
to
the
mayor.
So
you
know
that
I
I
think
there's
perception
versus
reality
and
I
think
that
there's
also
a
lack
of
knowledge
on
the
part
of
our
community
and
our
constituents
about
this
tool,
which
has
only
been
used
twice
since
2008
when
it
was,
you
know,
integrated
into
the
charter.
D
D
They
won't
that's
what
I've
been
told,
at
least
until
we
receive
their
report,
and
so
I
just
wanted
us
to
be
aware,
so
that
when
they
come
forward
with
their
proposal
and
their
proposed
changes
that
we
have
this
in
the
back
of
our
minds
and
that
perhaps
we
then
could
say
you
know,
we
would
like
you
to
think
about
how
this
would
interact
with
the
current.
You
know
Charter
language,
that
we
have
that.
That
was
the
reason.
I
I
was
disappointed,
I,
let
I
let
the
chair
of
the
chart.
A
But,
but
maybe
just
as
effectively
would
be
the
council
having
that
the
conversation
about
the
neighborhood
forum
well,
I
mean
when
we
I
mean
we're
talking
about
Charter
changes
and
then
the
the
concern
that
some
people
feel
disenfranchised
or
want,
don't
understand
how
to
gain
our
attention.
I
think
many
do
I
mean
we
get
letters
and
they
come
and
I
mean
Michael.
Mittag
has
been
at
a
gazillion
meetings
about
a
couple
issues
and
I.
You
know
we're
making
some
progress.
Dorset.
G
A
Again,
I
mean
I
I,
just
sort
of
think.
Maybe
it's
up
to
us
to
share
with
the
community
that
there
is
this
option
for
a
neighborhood
Forum.
If
that's
what
they
feel
needs
to
happen
or
show
up
at
meetings
or
write
us
I
mean
I
I,
just
I
I
think
we're
pretty
responsive
to
our
constituents
and
I
don't
know.
Does.
G
A
Would
love
that
issue
I
mean
well?
We
now
have
a
Communications
person.
I
mean.
Is
that
something
just
that
you
think
we
could
consider
in
terms
of
you
know
requesting
that
some
of
this
kind
of
concept
or
idea
is
shared,
or
maybe
we
do
a
counselor's
corner,
but
that's
sort
of
a
one
right,
one-time
wonder
and
it's
you
know
you
read
it.
You
read
it
and
if
you
miss
that
other
paper
than
you
know,
it's
gone
well.
D
A
Months,
I
have
mentioned
it
a
couple
times
and
before
this
Charter
yeah
Committee
in
all
fairness,
I,
don't
know.
Maybe
when
we
get
a
bunch
of
phone
calls
or
emails,
we
can
collectively
say.
Well,
you
know
we,
you
got
our
attention,
but
you
might
want
to
coalesce
some
people.
I
mean
some
people
send
us
petitions,
which
is
kind
of
another
type,
I
guess
of
neighborhood
forum.
D
This
is
actually
taking
us
and
we
could
meet
in
the
school.
That
was
something
that
we
tried
and
then
because
the
sound
systems
were
not
very
good
in
the
elementary
schools,
but
for
at
least
two
years
Jesse
we
did
meet
in
the
elementary
schools
each
one
at
least
once
a
year
just
to
be
in
the
different
parts
of
the
city.
B
L
B
M
B
Saying
there's
a
significant
difference
between
access
to
government
and
governance
right
and
you
all
are
charged
with
governing
and
representing
20
000
people
and
doing
kind
of
the
work
of
the
city
to
move
issues
forward
and
there's
a
matter
of
how
do
residents
access
positions
of
power,
seats
of
power
tools
of
government?
To
me,
those
are
two
very
different
things
and
what
the
charter
committee
was
really
looking
at
was
the
governance,
how
people
are
represented?
B
I
disagree.
Well,
yeah,
that's
my
opinion.
That's
how
I
read
the
resolution
so
I
think.
As
you
hear
that
recommend
that
those
set
of
recommendations
from
the
charter
committee,
you
can
direct
them
to
do
different
things.
You
can
direct
staff
to
do
different
things,
but
I
think
we
should
let
them
present
there.
A
But
I
think
that
came
out
through
the
conversations
about
how
many
people
in
the
ward
system
or
whatever
you
call
it.
That's
how
the
access
I
suspect
I
didn't
go
to
the
meetings.
But
that's,
in
my
mind,
is
how
it
would
become
part
of
the
conversation.
Well,
one
of
the
reasons
we
should
have
you
know
Awards
is
then
you'll
really
know
that
those
neighborhoods
and.
A
D
A
L
A
G
G
I
I
G
A
F
F
D
There
was
a
sense
that
good
governance
is
tending
to
a
small
section
of
the
city.
If
that's
truly
what
they
were
thinking
of
I,
don't
I
think
they
were
talking
about
excess
access
and
I
think
we
should
really.
How
do
we
do?
That
is
that,
by
focusing
on
a
one-fifth
of
the
city
that
we
tend
to
the
laws
and
the
statutes
of
the
state,
or
is
it
by
serving
the
entire
city
that
we
best
right
serve
the
duties
as
a
civil?
You
know
civil
right
well,.
A
A
B
A
B
G
A
B
M
B
I
F
G
A
I
G
Little
thing
so
a
constituent
that
I
know
brought
to
my
attention
the
fact
that
the
Route
7
Paving
project
has
created
a
problem
at
the
base
of
Allen
Road,
where
it
dumps
into
Shelburne
Road
across
the
Mitsubishi
dealer,
the
new
pavement
that
comes
from
Route
7
into
Allen
Road.
They
put
some
what
we
think
are
temporary
paint
markings
down
line,
you
know
Lane
markings
and
it
seems
to
have
eliminated
the
right
hand,
turn
lane.
I
O
I
A
O
G
Go
down
there
in
the
morning
and
whatnot,
and
so
I
contacted
Natalie
Boyle.
She
works
for
a
firm,
that's
contracted
by
the
state
they're
responsible
for
the
whole
Route
7
paging
Paving
project
I
found
her
name
initially
because
of
a
pothole
across
at
the
Walgreens
intersection
of
Farrell
Street
back
in
June.
That
was
exceptionally
deep.
Right
and
I
told
her
on
a
Saturday
and
by
Monday
afternoon
it
was
fixed
right.
G
G
B
G
G
I
contacted
her,
she
said
she
thinks
it's
temporary.
They
should
re-establish
whatever
they
had
before.
I
don't
have
any
photographic
evidence
of.
What's
there
I'd
love
to
get
some
and
send
it
to
her
I
can't
get
there
before
tomorrow
at
the
earliest.
So
if
anybody
in
the
city
is
around
there
and
can
take
a
picture
of
it
and
do
you,
do
you
and
Tom
know
Natalie
at
all?
Okay,.