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00:00:00 Liquor Control Board
00:01:10 Agenda Review
00:01:17 Public Comment
00:01:47 Consent Agenda
00:02:40 Council Reports
00:10:07 City Updates
00:12:16 Public Hearing on Proposed Changes to Chapter 5 of the Municipal Code
00:31:22 Proposed Changes to Chapter 5 of the Municipal Code
01:15:29 Development Review Board Appointment
01:18:37 Pinegrove Terrace Homeowners Association Request
02:06:06 Main Street Revitalization – Construction Phase Services Approval
02:10:18 Lot 7D Municipal Garage Bond Resolution
02:14:49 Resolutions Setting Fees for Community Services Programs and Thrive Program
02:19:41 Winooski Community Development Trust Board of Trustees
02:21:53 FY24 Community Development Fund Budget
02:22:49 Equity Next Steps for City Council
02:44:48 City Manager Review Process
02:47:30 Executive Session
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A
A
A
I
know
we
had
well.
We
have
someone
registered
for
the
public
hearing,
I,
don't
see
any
public
attendees
for
this
part
of
the
meeting.
Yet
okay,
oops
next
up
is
our
consent
agenda.
We
have
city,
council
and
liquor
control
board,
minutes
from
February
6..
The
accounts
payable
weren't
from
February
16
and
the
payroll
from
January
22nd
to
February
4th
any
questions
or
concerns
about
the
consent
agenda
can.
A
E
A
E
A
G
Sure
so
you
may
have
seen
on
some
of
the
social
media
posts,
but
if
you
have
not
dalcon
Winooski
is
looking
to
hire
a
new
executive
director.
The
current
director
will
be
leaving
in
several
months
so
we're
trying
to
get
ahead
of
that
and
get
somebody
hired
up.
So
if
you
are
interested,
you
can
go
to
downtownlinooski.org
and
the
application
and
the
materials
that
you
need
to
submit
with
it
are
all
posted
there.
G
D
E
So
I
don't
have
any
updates
from
commission
work,
because
the
Housing
Commission
hasn't
met
I'll
just
say:
I
guess
this
is
my
farewell
so
I'll
say
thank
you
to
my
federal
counselors
in
there
for
the
time
that
we've
got
to
work
together
over
the
last
one
to
four
years.
So
it's
been
an
honor
to
serve
here
monusi
and
it's
kind
of
interesting
to
reflect
back
on
2019,
which
was
half
of
my
younger
daughter's
life
ago.
E
I
decided
that
we
have
important
votes
being
taken
tonight
on
Main
Street
with
idolization
continue.
We
can
move
that
forward
and
I
also
am
just
cognizant
of
how
much
has
changed
in
that
time
and
how
much
we
still
have
to
do
so.
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
continuing
to
do
that
work
and
for
allowing
you
to
be
a
part
of
that
work
and
I.
E
Guess
I've
just
been
moved
by
how
this
city
works
together
and
how
working
together
has
gotten
things
done
for
this
city
and
I
think
there's
something
to
be
said
for
finding
a
way
to
be
together
and
work
together
and
I
enjoyed
that
about
that
part
of
being
on
the
city
council,
maybe
more
than
anything
else.
So
thank
you
to
the
residents.
Thank
you
to
you
all
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
and
thank
you.
E
A
A
A
A
For
my
updates,
we
had
a
finance
Commission
meeting
last
week.
They
gave
us
some
input
on
the
budget
presentation
which
I'm
hoping
we
can
Implement
for
tomorrow's
virtual
presentation,
if
not
certainly
the
one
before
10
meeting
day
to
be
more
accessible
to
the
community,
Elaine
and
I
were
able
to
meet
with
a
group
of
high
school
students
who
are
doing
a
community-based
class,
essentially
we're.
We
heard
some
interest
from
them
and
we're
brainstorming
ways
to
try
to
engage
them
in
an
actual
city
project.
A
So
we
are
actually
leveraging
this
call
next
next
month
to
try
to
coordinate
around
that
and
make
sure
that
agencies
in
our
school
and
us
are
all
aligned
on
things
so
I'll
share
more
after
that
happens
too,
and
there's
a
Planning
Commission
meeting
on
Thursday
to
continue
looking
at
the
section
of
form-based
code
with
changes
related
to
parking
and
historic
preservation,
6
30
P.M,
you
can
come
here.
You
can
also
join
Museum
Brynn.
H
Sure
the
municipal
infrastructure
committee
commission
didn't
meet
last
week
because
we
had
some
conflicts
with
the
abatement
meeting,
as
well
as
the
development
review
board
meeting.
So
instead
we
didn't
have
enough
content
for
an
agenda
this
month,
so
we
decided
to
cancel
shouldn't
Solid
Waste
district
has
a
meeting
tomorrow.
H
H
Always
District
budget
will
be
March
8th,
so
that
will
be
coming
up
pretty
quickly
as
well
and
then
also
just
wanted
to
extend
my
gratitude
and
thanks
to
councilman
Duncan,
it's
really
been
an
honor
to
serve
with
you
for
the
last
two
years
and
leaving
some
big
shoes
to
fill.
So
thank
you
for
all
that
you've
done.
Thank
you.
I
All
right
so
this
week,
so
Thursday
at
6,
00
p.m.
We'll
have
our
February
meeting
of
inclusion
belonging.
This
was
shifted
back
because
of
some
of
the
budget
presentations
and
we'll
really
be
focusing
on
the
equity
audit,
which
ties
a
bit
as
well
into
our
Equity
assessment,
which
we're
talking
about
later
in
this
meeting
so
folks
want
to
join
that
is
going
to
be
via
Zoom,
always
welcome
to
have
public
comment
and
engagement
on
that.
Also.
Last
week
we
had
a
meeting
of
the
safe
healthy
last
week.
I
J
City
updates,
yes,
so
Tom
eating
Day
is
coming
up
as
a
reminder.
The
election
is
on
Tuesday
March
7th
voting
takes
place
at
the
Winooski
senior
center
from
7
A.M
to
7
P.M
early
voting
and
absentee
ballots
will
be
available
after
February
17th
at
the
city
clerk's
office
for
all
ballot
and
budget
details,
you
may
visit
Winooski
vt.gov
account
meeting
as
a
reminder.
All
legal
residents,
regardless
of
your
citizenship,
citizenship
status,
can
vote
on
town
meeting.
Day
translated
ballots
will
be
available
in
11
languages.
J
J
Those
of
you
who
have
meetings
with
other
staff
in
the
in
City
Hall
concern.
We
still
make
those
meetings
for
for
Tuesdays
during
that
staff
person's
hours.
This
is
because
of
a
temporary
staff
shortage
and
on
behalf
of
Staff.
Thank
you
to
Jim,
also
for
your
service
to
Winooski
and
helping
bring
me
on
and
also
to
help
with
the
through
lines
in
the
past
and
the
present.
It's
been
much
appreciated.
J
A
F
K
Yeah
I'll
just
do
a
quick
update,
an
overview
here.
Thank
you
very
much.
This
is
a
public
hearing
for
to
take
public
comments
on
proposed
changes
to
chapter
five
of
the
municipal
code
related
to
sidewalk
use.
This
is
an
item
that
you've
previously
reviewed
at
your
meetings
on
January
17th
in
the
January
23rd,
where
you
provided
comments
and
feedback
on
these
on
these
proposed
changes.
Additionally,
since
the
oh
sorry
at
your
meeting
on
the
23rd,
you
did
schedule
a
public
hearing
for
tonight.
K
K
That's
highlighted
in
yellow
those
are
additions
that
he
recommended
be
included
mostly
for
clarification,
so
I
don't
believe
any
of
them
are
substantive
and
don't
actually
change
the
intent,
but
help
clarify
the
the
overall
language
and
the
overall
intent
of
the
of
the
document
so
other
than
that
this
is
on
for
public
hearing
tonight,
because
this
is
an
amendment
to
the
municipal
code.
It
does
require
a
30-day
period
before
it
can
become
effective,
so
it
if
the
the
the
changes
that
are
proposed
would
be
effective
for
sidewalk
use,
April
1st.
K
So
in
order
to
meet
that
deadline,
action
would
need
to
be
taken
tonight,
that's
not
to
say
you're
required
to
take
action
tonight.
You
can
hold
off
and
hold
more
hearings
if
you'd
like,
but
in
order
to
make
in
order
to
make
these
regulations
effective
for
April
1st,
we
would
need
to
take
action
tonight.
So
again,
it's
not
a
requirement,
but
just
so
that
you're
aware
of
the
timeline
related
to
to
this
proposal.
K
A
A
A
L
So
if
there's
no
formal
complaints
and
what's
been
running
for
17
years,
or
at
least
the
monkey
house
has
been,
we
don't
know
why
anything
has
to
change,
especially
if
we're
going
towards
more
of
a
walkable
and
bikable
Community.
Then
why
are
we
gonna
make
it
harder
for
people
to
come
into
the
city?
L
I
know,
there's
been
some
back
and
forth
with
the
proposed
change
of
like
moving
closer
to
the
businesses,
some
of
the
seating
which
doesn't
like
that
more
inhibits
the
pedestrians
walking,
especially
with
doors
opening
sandwich
boards,
all
that
stuff.
So
I
just
don't
understand
why
it's
even
an
issue.
If
there's
been
no
complaints.
F
L
L
We
feel
and
like
some
other
businesses
that
I've
talked
about,
is
that
it's
going
to
change
the
feel
of
the
downtown
we're
still
recovering
from
covid
and
wanuski's,
still
not
where
it
was
pre-pandemic.
So
having
limitations
to
the
sidewalk
or
having
to
put
money
into
new
structures
or
new
ways
to
make
seating
feasible,
just
doesn't
seem
like
the
best
situation
for
businesses
and
a
lot
of
businesses
can't
do
that
or
invest
into
that,
and
our
success
is
then
you
know
the
city
relies
on
our
successes
with
that,
and
most
people
still
feel
really.
L
L
L
It
seems
like
there's
other
Solutions
like
curb.
What
are
those
like
curb
stalls
or
curb
stops
I
forget
what
they're
called
they're
like
little
cement
things.
If
that's
an
issue
of
the
you
know
the
overhang
or
you
put
signage
up
that
also,
you
know
I've
seen
in
different
like
areas
where
you
could
have
a
sign
that
says
this
is
the
correct
way
to
park.
This
is
not
the
correct
way
to
park,
then
you
have
that
signed
for
to
get
a
ticket
and
yeah
just
overall.
L
It
just
feels
like
it's
against
businesses
and
I'm,
just
not
sure
where
it
who
it
really
directly
benefits
and
just
to
have
to
keep
the
vibrancy
of
the
downtown
and
I.
Think
that's
it.
Let
me
see
if
I
have
any
other
notes,
yeah
and
I
guess
the
biggest
one
is.
If
there
hasn't
been
any
formal
complaints.
C
M
I'm
Maggie
barch
and
I'm,
representing
Our
House
Bistro
first
I
wanted
to
express
my
appreciation
for
the
city's
work
and
trying
to
clarify
sidewalk
guidelines.
I
think
it's
a
useful
thing
for
business
to
really
have
some
clear
guidelines
to
follow
so
that
we
know
what
we're
doing
so.
We
wanted
to
share
that,
and
I
also
wanted
to
express
my
agreement
with
everything
that
Ali
just
said.
Those
concerns
are
the
same
ones
that
we
share
at
our
house.
M
I
understand
that
the
city
has
added
if
the
building
lot,
where
an
individual
storefront
is
located
as
wider
than
the
storefront.
The
business
May
request
use
of
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
the
entire
property
that
will
apply
to
us
I'm
wondering
what
criteria
of
the
city
will
use
to
make
that
determination
and
if
there
is
a
appeal
process,
if
you
know
if
the
city
decides
that
that
doesn't
go
to
the
business
owner.
M
Part
of
that
question
too
is
I
know
that
in
in
the
document
it
said,
specific
deadlines
for
application
submissions
are
outlined.
Herein
I
didn't
see
it.
I
looked
pretty
hard,
but
I
think
from
listening
to
conversations
about
this.
Before
that
sidewalk
applications
will
be
due.
We
had
a
good
liquor
permit,
maybe
which
puts
the
deadline
at
different
times
for
businesses.
So
that's
so
that
one
business
might
be
a
available
to
apply
for
sidewalk
space
before
others.
So
I
just
wanted
to
see
how
that
how
that
will
be
handled.
M
The
minimum
of
five
feet
dedicated
clear
space
or
the
two
foot
curb
I,
wanted
to
point
out
just
a
few
things
to
consider.
This
does
impact
five
restaurants,
who
have
all
puts
some
finances
toward
their
outdoor
dining
picnic
tables.
So
this
would
require
replacement
of
that
furniture,
which
is
an
expense
to
to
restaurants.
M
It's
the
reason
that
picnic
tables
are
used
is
because
we're
on
a
hill
and
picnic
tables
are
levelable,
so
that,
if
you
put
a
regular
table
in
there,
the
person's
sitting
downhill
the
table
comes
up
to
about
their
chin.
If
you're
at
my
height,
which
is
uncomfortable
so
picnic
tips,
are
a
fantastic
solution
for
that,
because
you
can
level
a
picnic
table
in
the
people
that
the
seat
comes
up
as
well.
M
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that
it
looks
like
from
what
I
can
tell
we're
talking
about
our
six
foot.
Picnic
tables
being
about
six
inches
too
long
to
accommodate
the
two
foot
barrier
and
the
five
foot
walk
space.
It
would
be
fantastic
if
the
city
would
consider
a
four
and
a
half
foot,
sidewalk
space
or
or
the
bumpers
that
Ali
mentioned,
because
then
we
could
all
keep
our
six
foot
picnic
tables
and
continue
business
it
just
for
the
matter
of
six
inches
I.
Think
some
flexibility
would
solve
this
dilemma
for
everybody.
M
That
comes
to
for
the
season
that
we're
allowed
to
have
sidewalk
space
underestimating
quite
a
bit
a
loss
of
about
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
That's
just
for
our
small
restaurant,
we're
smaller
than
the
others.
We
have
a
smaller
sidewalk
space,
considering
that
impact
to
all
the
restaurants
and
to
what
benefit
that
our
our
income
helps
the
city
out
as
well.
I
just
would
like
you
to
take
that
into
consideration,
because
I
think
that's
just
puts
dollars
to
it,
that
it
isn't
just
a
small
impact.
It's
it's
substantial,
I!
M
Think,
oh
and
the
last
one
was
this:
wasn't
a
change
but
I
never
noticed
it
before
the
Furniture
has
to
be
set
out
or
brought
in
every
night
and
every
morning,
without
prior
approval.
I,
don't
remember
that
being
part
of
the
application
before
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I,
don't
remember
asking
for
that
permission
to
leave
our
picnic
tables
out
there.
M
A
N
N
N
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
got
a
few
messages
from
folks
that
I'm
just
gonna
read
anonymously
they're
from
a
variety
of
different
businesses
in
the
area.
Some
of
them
are
directly
impacted
by
these
changes,
and
some
of
them
aren't
and
I'll
do
my
best
to
indicate
which
ones
which
so
the
first
one
is
the
additional
information
and
context
that
was
provided
at
the
last
meeting
we
had
to
discuss
this,
which
was
January
17th,
seemed
less
intense
than
the
initial
Outreach.
N
Now
it
seems
to
only
target
a
couple
of
businesses,
but
not
sure
it
benefits
anyone.
So
that
was
that
comment
and
then
the
another
comment
that
I
received
from
someone
who
is
a
business
owner
but
doesn't
have
a
business
that
is
directly
involved
with
this
seating
discussion
was
that
the
for
the
safety
and
support
of
our
vulnerable
Community?
We
should
be
encouraging
outdoor
seating
as
much
as
possible.
N
I
think,
as
maybe
Ali
mentioned,
you
know,
there's
there's
still
a
pandemic
and
we're
still
trying
to
figure
out
ways
to
serve
the
community,
especially
our
most
vulnerable
members
and
having
outdoor
space
is
one
of
the
ways
that
we
can
do
that
in
our
All
Too
Short
summer
months.
That
last
part
was
me
not
the
business
owner
and
then
the
next
one
was.
N
This
feels
like
it's
an
indication
of
continued
negative
feelings
about
the
small
business
Community
by
the
city.
It
wasn't
that
long
ago
that
there
were
lots
of
empty
storefronts
in
Winooski.
We
are
not
big
businesses,
we're
small
and
we're
often
living
in
Winooski
too.
We
care
about
this
community
and
we're
a
part
of
it
and
the
other
question
that
was
someone
who
I
I
I
didn't
keep
the
notes.
I
wanted
to
keep
this
Anonymous
I.
N
N
I
will
say
that
in
discussions
with
other
people
that
I
didn't
get
their
opinions
in
writing.
I
have
generally
heard
just
a
little
bit
of
confusion
about
the
the
sort
of
what
we've
heard
already
the
sort
of
why
now
situation,
but
in
general
there
also
has
been
a
couple
of
businesses
that
have
said
yeah.
We
should
be
concerned
with
the
safety
of
people
sitting
in
those
tables.
N
You
know
an
ongoing
campaign
against
small
businesses
and
again
I.
You
know
we
can't
control
how
people
will
read
into
things,
especially
this.
You
know
small
amount
of
businesses
that
are
going
to
be
directly
and
immediately
affected,
but
just
kind
of
making
sure
that
that
the
council
is
aware
of
the
sort
of
murmurings
that
are
happening
and
people
definitely
very
much
reading
into
this
kind
of
action
as
to
be
a
little
bit
a
little
bit.
N
I,
don't
know
what
the
word
would
be
nerve-wracking
to
the
small
business
Community,
especially
at
a
time
when
there
is
still
so
much
coveted
recovery.
That's
going
on,
and
so
many
people
are
still
kind
of
feeling
feeling
those
effects,
but
I
really
appreciate
all
of
your
time.
I
know
this
has
been
brought
up
many
times
and
I
will
leave
it
at
that.
A
A
A
K
Yeah
so
that'll
be
outlined
in
the
application.
We've
developed
a
new
application
to
go
along
with
the
changes
that
are
proposed
in
this
in
this
section
of
the
code,
so
that
it
the
two
coincide.
So
there
will
be
an
opportunity
in
the
new
application
to
identify
that
additional
space.
If
it's
being
requested.
K
I
think
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
formal
appeal
process
written
in,
except
for
that,
the
initial
applications
would
come
to
you
all
as
the
as
Council
slash
liquor,
control
board
and,
as
has
as
has
happened
in
the
past,
when
there's
been
a
either
a
discrepancy
or
some
confusion
about
what
space
has
been
allocated.
The.
K
K
Knowing
that
the
start
is
April
1,
it
could
come
in
within
30
days
of
that
date
to
make
application.
It
would
separate
the
two
processes,
but
also
I,
think
the
intent
of
the
way
we've
laid
out.
The
new
regulations
is
that
we're
also
trying
to
separate
the
two
review
processes
so
that
the
initial
process
goes
through
Council,
slash,
liter,
control
versus
future
processes.
If
there's
no
changes
or
no
violations
would
be
done
administratively
so
they'd
be
handled,
they
could
potentially
be
handled
at
different
times.
Anyway,
okay.
E
While
we're
on
that
topic
and
there's
the
three
conditions
that
would
allow
for
administrative
approval,
but
the
one
that
doesn't
seem
covered
is
if
a
business
has
previously
requested,
the
entire
building,
Frontage
Helm
only
occupies
a
portion
of
it
and
that
building
contents
then
receives
another
business
that
might
want
to
use
sidewalk
space,
there's
no,
that
isn't
covered
in
those
three
conditions.
That
would
pick
up
application
back
to
council.
E
K
I
think
I
think
that
would
be
covered
under
the
area
has
not
changed
so
if
they're,
if
they
are
still
proposing
the
same
use
of
an
adjacent
storefront
that
would
that
would
fall
under
that
category.
But
if
they
were
not,
if
they
were
no
longer
proposing
that
it
would,
it
would
come
back
as
a
change
of
that
of
that.
E
Space
I'm
gonna,
stop
thinking
more
there's
a
business
they've
got
this
store.
This
part
of
the
building
and
there's
part
of
the
building's
empty.
This
owner
requests
the
entire
Frontage
right,
I
open
my
restaurant
here
and
I
want
to
get
sidewalk
this.
This
is
administratively
approvable
because
nothing
is
changing,
but
I
would
not
be
able
to
then
request
the
same
space
of
sidewalk
usage
right
business,
a
right.
K
E
K
K
K
So
annually
the
the
adjacent
business
would
need
to
sign
off
on,
or
the
building
owner
or
business
owner
would
need
to
sign
off
on
giving
up
that
space.
So
if
a
new
business
came
into
that
to
that
now,
vacant
space
that
that
business
owner
or
the
building
owner
would
need
to
sign
off
on
allocating
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
their
business
to
the
adjacent
business.
A
K
I
would
say
if
it's
already
been
approved,
yes,
okay,
that
would
carry
forward,
because
we
would
have
the
sign-offs
from
from
the
property
owner
saying
that
that
sidewalk
space
can
go
to
another
business.
So
if
they
then
lease
that
site
that
that
business
space
that
would
have
to
be
it
would
should
be
known
anyway,
that
the
sidewalk
use
is
not
available
for
the,
for
that
particular
season
is.
K
The
I
believe
it's
spelled
out
that
the
property
owner
would
need
to
to
sign
off
on
that.
Okay,
so
that
whoever
whoever
owns
the
building
would
need
to
be
the
one
signing
off.
If
the
business
owner
and
the
property
owner
the
same
person,
then
that's
that's
covered,
but
I
believe
it's.
It's
designated
that
the
property
owner
needs
to
sign
off
on
allocating
the
additional
space.
Okay.
G
Yeah
I
feel,
like
I,
said
almost,
maybe
not
that
scenario,
the
first
scenario
we
flipped
and
that
we
would
be
allowing
somebody
to
use
the
space
next
to
them
provisionally
I,
don't
know
if
a
business
were
to
come
in,
like
you're
leasing
the
space
from
the
business
that
isn't
there
yet
if
the
business
were
to
come
in,
but
that
is
their
space.
I
just
feel
like
I'm
trying
I,
don't
really
know
if
we
have
like
a
ton
of
open
store
accounts
anyway,.
O
K
G
C
G
A
I
think
it's
on
the
property
owner
like
if
they're
really
trying
to
lease
this
space
to
someone
who
might
want
sidewalk
access,
then
they
shouldn't
sign
off,
because
the
flip
side
is
if
it's
like
provisional
I
got
permission
to
use
this
space,
I
staffed
and
budgeted
around
it,
and
then
so
and
then
it
gets
revoked
halfway
through
the
summer.
Yeah
I.
G
K
Is
covered
because
it's
an
annual
application,
so
it
would
only
be
good
for
that
April
to
November
time
frame
and
then
they'd
have
to
apply
again
the
next
year.
If
the
application
is
the
same
and
the
space
is
still
available,
they
would
still
need
that
sign
off
each
year.
The
sign
offs
wouldn't
be
automatic.
That
would
have
to
be
done
every
year
because
that's
not
technically
part
of
the
space,
that's
in
front
of
their
store.
K
P
G
G
P
H
L
P
F
F
H
I
H
H
K
Know
we
did
receive
some
complaints
about
use
of
the,
in
particular
of
the
bike
rack
on
the
southern
end
of
the
of
the
of
Main
Street
there
at
the
intersection
of
West,
Canal,
Street
and
Main
Street,
that
the
tables
were
so
close
that
bike
rack
was
virtually
unusable.
So
we
we
did
have
to
deal
with
some
some
issues
like
that,
but
so
we
we
have
received
some
complaints,
not
necessarily
related
to
some
of
the
changes
that
are
built
in
here.
K
G
K
Yeah,
so
actually
this
language
was
was
stricken
because
it's
covered
further
back
in
the
in
the
new
language.
We're
basically
not
we're,
including
similar
language,
that
it's
you
know,
the
area
needs
to
be
needs
to
be
kept
clear
and
and
maintained,
and
and
Etc
sorry
I'm
just
reading
through.
What's
actually
stricken
here.
K
Okay,
I
I,
don't
know
that
we
carried
the
specific
hours
of
of
setup,
I
I
think
we.
We
did
eliminate
that
to
allow
the
businesses
to
keep
tables
outside,
as
as
they
needed
to
packing
them
up
again
as
they
as
they
may,
for
security
reasons
were
to
to
lock
them
up,
but
I,
don't
believe
we
put
any
any
parameters
on
when
they
could
actually
have
tables
set
up
in
that
space.
I.
E
K
K
A
K
That's
a
good
question:
I
think
it
depends
on
if
we're,
if
we're
pausing
the
entire
the
entire
change,
including
some
of
the
liability,
insurance
and
things
that
we've
talked
about
at
past
meetings
that
we're
we're
looking
for.
That
may
be
something
we
can
just
include
on
an
application.
I,
don't
know
how
I'm
not
sure
that
we
can
require
it
if
it's
not
in
a
in
the
code,
somehow
but
I
I
think
the
biggest
thing
is
it's.
It's
an
additional
year
of
potential
of
potential
liability
that
the
city
is
carrying.
K
J
Q
Q
J
P
J
Yeah
I
think
it
just
comes
down
to
what
Eric
had
said
or
already.
So
it's
that
much
longer
the
council's
stating
that
you're
comfortable
with
the
liability
risk,
so
I
mean
our.
This
is
our
recommendation
of
staff
that
the
city
has
been
under
this
risk
for
some
time,
and
it's
just
lucky
that
and
there
have
been
accidents
that
we've
heard
about,
but
nobody
complained
about
them.
J
Nobody
sued
the
city
for
them,
but
if,
if
at
some
point
somebody
does
then-
and
it's
not
just
to
be
fair-
it's
not
that
the
city
would
be
liable
for
the
full
amount.
We
would
have
a
deductible
that
we
would
be
liable
for,
but
it
could
potentially
affect
our
experience.
Modification
from
in
terms
of
like
our
premium
costs
would
might
go
up
in
the
next
year
after
such
a
suit.
So
there
would
be
some
cost
in
the
city.
E
And
I
guess
five
one
thing
I'm
wondering
is:
if
there
is
a
way
to
bump
parking
back
six
feet
and
then
we
talked
about
Jersey
bears
being
unworkable,
but
I
wonder
if
there's
any
way
to
do
a
wheel,
stop
that
is
six
inches
back
from
the
curve
back
from
where
it
is
now.
That's
right.
The
wheel
stops
at
the
curb
and
that
creates
the
two
inch
over
and
can
drop.
Q
Q
Unfortunately,
the
the
way
the
geometry
of
the
parking
is
set
up
now
is
sort
of
the
recommended
layout
minimum
distances
we
did
look
at.
Did
they
even
make
a
durable,
temporary
wheel?
Stop
that
we
could,
you
know,
try
to
use
and
we
couldn't
find
a
manufacturer
that
that
made
sense
and
given
that
v-trans
just
did
a
whole
concrete
project
resurfacing.
We
didn't
really
want
to
look
at.
You
know
punching
holes
and
then
you
and
the
new
resurface
concrete
either.
Q
Yeah,
it's
already
I
mean
it's
less
than
what
the
fire
department
would
want.
Currently,
so
it's
it's
I
forget
what
the
dimension
is,
but
it's
I
think
it's
like
12
or
yeah
I
forget
offhand,
but
it
would
reduce
that
that
that
drive
lane
even
more,
which
is
not
really
in
compliance
with
what
fire
department
would
would
want
to
see
there.
Q
H
Q
Q
K
K
K
G
Yeah
I
think,
what's
rough
for
me,
is
I
feel
like
I
left
the
last
time
we
spoke
about
this
thinking.
It
was
going
to
provide
more
benefits
for
businesses
for
them
to
hear
like
actual
dollar
amounts
calculated
by
one
business,
and
then
you
multiply
that
by
there
are
others
that
it's
affected
by
just
a
lot
of
Revenue.
B
P
P
G
K
K
I'll
be
able
to
accommodate
all
the
tables
I
currently
have
in
the
same
footprint
that
I'm
using
now
just
shifting
it
in
and
I'll,
be
fine,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
depend
on
the
specific
location
as
well
as,
as
you
know,
what
what
the
expectations
or
what
the
current
conditions
of
the
business
are.
So.
E
E
P
A
A
E
C
J
E
J
E
100
feet
of
risk
is
a
lot
different
than
20
000
feet
of
risk,
whatever
the
total
Main
Street
Corridor,
plus
all
of
their
sidewalks
around
the
Rotary
like
there's,
there's
a
difference
between
your
probability
of
injury
and
A
reduced
linear
equipment.
I,
don't
know
if
it
sure
is
an
Underwriters
think
about
it
that
way,
but
it
certainly
is
different.
H
J
J
H
J
G
J
P
G
At
all,
I
know
I've
spoken
with
someone
that
they
would
be
willing
to
I.
Don't
know
everyone
would
but
Our
concern.
There
was
that
the
city
they're
concerned
of
making
money
but
I
feel
like
if
we
doing
what
we
need
to
do
takes
away
what
they
they
want
to
do.
But
if
there's
a
way
to
get
us
to
be
partners
on
it,
instead,
maybe
but
not
at
all.
J
Yeah
I
do
at
some
point,
I
I,
don't
know
if
we
could
ever
I'll
look
into
it.
My
and
I'm
not
an
attorney,
but
I
do
Wonder
at
some
point
what
how
airtight
that
would
be,
because
in
any
such
lawsuit,
a
good
lawyer
for
the
plaintiff
is
going
to
go
after
the
deepest
pocket
to
ensure
the
best
outcome
for
their
for
their
client.
J
J
A
A
L
P
P
J
If,
if
you,
if
Council,
adopted
the
change
in
FY
in
for
season
2025,
that
means
that
whatever
happened
happens
next
year,
that
risk
like
you'd,
have
a
jump
and
premium
if
there
was
a
crash
in
2023
right,
but
assuming
that
after
2024,
you
don't
have
that
risk
anymore.
Eventually,
that
premium
impact
would
go
away.
Oh
okay,
because
you
wouldn't
keep
it
experiencing
more
and
more
crashes.
A
A
J
K
That's
a
good
question:
I'm,
not
sure
the
the
logistics
of
how
that
would
work
or
the
legality
of
it,
because
it
is
an
ordinance.
It
is
a
change
to
the
code
which
does
have
an
effective
date
once
it's
approved.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
can
be
delayed
just
by
action
of
of
counsel,
saying
that
it's
not
going
to
become
effective
until
a
later
date.
A
Okay,
so
then
our
choices
are,
we
could
move
this
forward
now
or
we
could
not,
and
we
could
bring
it
back
for
future
review
with
some
more
information.
We
have
the
intent
to
do
it.
In
that
scenario,
I'm
saying
we
have
the
intent
to
make
it
effective
in
2024..
The
council
could
end
up
not
doing
it
or
changing
it.
You
know
there's
that
risk
as
well.
K
E
O
E
K
Think
if
the
proposal
yeah
I,
believe
that
probably
would
be
even
though
it's
the
language
is
not
currently
included,
we're
not
those
would
be
removing
potential
ads.
So
I
don't
know
if
those
would
be
considered
substantive
changes,
because
it's
substantive
for
what's
proposed
but
based
on
what's
currently
in
place.
It
may
not
be
substantive,
so
I,
don't
know
that
we
would
probably
I
would
probably
feel
more
comfortable
with
a
legal
opinion
on
on
that
question.
I
I
have
another
question,
and
this
might
not
be
one
that
anyone
can
necessarily
answer,
but
I
want
to
put
out
does
making
this
change
like
taking
the
money
from
both
the
city
and
the
businesses.
Out
of
it
is
making
this
change
gonna
make
visitors
and
residents
when
you
ski
safer
like
are
we
putting
off
something
that
would
make
when
you
see
safer?
Are
we
putting
off
something
that
is
it's
purely
fiscal.
J
G
We're
dealing
with
a
hypothetical
like
it's,
it
hasn't
been
seen
like
a
two
foot
buffer
certainly
seems
like
it's
the
standard,
but
somebody
could
drive
up
onto
the
sidewalk
I
mean
when
you
see
like
bad
crashes
like
it's.
Usually
somebody
like
driving
into
a
building,
it's
like
a
two
foot
buffer
doesn't
prevent
that
anyway,
but
like
it's
like
I,
don't
think
you
can
answer
that
question
like
we're
talking
hypothetics,
like
hypothetical
ideas
here.
J
E
M
E
J
A
A
A
A
C
G
C
C
K
D
D
A
P
C
E
E
G
A
A
J
You
so,
as
you
know,
representatives
from
the
Pine
Grove
Terrace
homeowners
association
have
been
in
discussions
with
staff
regarding
their
sewer
pump
station
and
the
associated
dispart
charge
pipe.
All
the
way
is
known
as
the
board's
main
their
requests
include
the
city
taking
over
the
facility
or
to
reimburse
them
for
repair.
They
claim
was
required
by
City
work
in
the
area.
J
Excuse
me,
after
discussing
with
staff
and
the
City
attorney
I,
have
denied
both
requests.
The
HOA
has
essentially
requested
Council
here
their
appeal
of
my
decisions
now
reading
from
the
memo
a
city
council
can
serve
this
function
of
hearing
appeals
of
city
manager
decisions,
a
staff
does
recommend
in
this
case
that
Council
declined
to
take
action,
thereby
deferring
to
the
city
manager's
decisions.
In
this
case,
a
city
council
does
not
have
the
technical
or
Legal
Information
to
make
such
determinations,
and
the
community
is
better
served
by
relying
on
his
professional
staff
and
contracted
services.
R
And
without
them,
I
probably
would
be
all
right.
So,
let's
start
off
with
opponent,
after
what
the
city
manager
just
presented
here
on
Saturday
in
the
Super
Bowl
I'm,
trying
to
work
my
way
out,
there
is
a
lot
to
do
with
this.
There's
a
lot
of
history
to
business,
but
I
think
the
problem
is:
is
that
we're
not
against
what
the
city
just
said
they
might
have
to
do?
We're
just
saying
is
after
hearing
your
budget
carries.
R
This
is
a
no-cost
I
could
do
we're
willing
to
pay
our
own
way
we're
willing
to
do
what
we've
done
in
the
last
few
months,
maybe
750
each
residence
with
special
people
that
upgrade
the
function.
We
just
did
that
we
paid
over
twenty
one
thousand
dollars
if
they
upgrade
of
that
company.
That
builds
a
waiver
I
believe
in
that
package.
R
We
did
what
the
city,
if
they
were
going
to
take
it
over
six
months
ago.
One
of
the
guidelines
would
have
to
meet
higher
standards,
but
regarding
private
contractor
someone,
the
city
recognized
and
respected,
and
they
didn't
look
over
the
site
because
it's
800
just
to
do
an
assessment.
They
replaced
the
pump
with
everybody's
interested
in
that,
so
it
says,
and
they
put
a
new
lid
on
it,
which
was
clearly
needed.
It
was
very
dangerous.
R
I'll
show
you
some
pictures
there
having
done
that
and
clearly
the
whole
association
behind
that
I
also
recognize
from
the
city.
In
the
last
six
months,
we've
got
numerous
emails
that
they
have
communicated
with
various
presidents
and
various
members
go
back
and
forth
and
took
over
the
water
actually
into
that
for
30
years
since
I've
been
here
that
we
can't
take
case
we're
here,
we
could
never
afford
to
fix
that
question
and
the
specifications
of
the
federal
and
state
we
really
wouldn't
give
them
any
guidelines.
R
R
G
R
R
Are
we
going
to
pay
in
taxes
for
that
at
some
point?
Well,
we're
eight
thousand
dollars
on
an
average
of
22
months.
If
they're
paying
taxes
for
the
last
30
years,
I
mean
we're
we're
playing
considerable
we're
considered
a
pioneer,
but
we
got
a
call
station.
If
you
have
conversations
in
your
neighborhoods.
R
A
big
issue,
so
we've
been
dealing
with
that
as
a
membership
and,
quite
frankly,
we
haven't
done
a
good
job
because
we're
changing
staff
we've
covered.
We
had
like
one
person
going
to
continue
to
trial
and
didn't
even
collect
Twos
for
most
of
the
park
for
the
last
two
years
when
I
took
over
nobody
wanted,
my
positions,
I
walked
into
him
and
he
had
the
campaign
or
anything.
R
Meantime:
I
drive
down
the
road
and
I
find
a
pool
in
the
pavement
in
the
street
that
hole
had
an
odor
con
from
it,
and
I
said:
oh,
my
goodness,
I
better
call
the
city
I
called
the
city,
the
police
department.
It's
only
again,
and
he
said
we
got
this
we'll
let
somebody
know
somebody
knows
me:
a
neighbor
comes
to
me
a
day
later
and
says:
do
you
see
this
woman
said
yeah,
he
said
I
want
to
call
him
on
Friday,
so
we're
getting
great.
They
did
two
setting
well
nobody's
been
up
here.
R
For
now
at
least
they
know
on
Monday
I
ran
into
public
utilities,
and
he
says
how
come
you
haven't
done
anything
about
this?
He
says
why
would
I
do
anything,
but
it's
under
a
screen
so
right
away,
no
you're
responsible
to
play,
go
all
the
way
up
the
hill.
That's
news
of
me:
30
years
here,
I
only
thought:
I
was
responsible
for
Pump
Station.
Well,
how
I
have
the
authority
to
hire
somebody
to
contract
and
take
this
over
well
I'll
help
you
with
that?
Okay
got
a
lot
of
support.
R
We
got
a
contractor,
we
got
someone
I
said
I
really
want
to
be
here
in
disagreement
that
we
alone
I'll
pay
for
it.
I
know,
we've
got
concern
for
EPA,
we've
got
disability.
Let's
get
this
done.
Let's
do
the
right
thing
and
I
think
the
talk
Bill
we
submitted
to
the
city,
so
they
know,
if
I
have
it
here
copies
of
what
we
pay.
R
After
doing
that,
we
probably
met
with
a
city
manager
and
eventually
had
time
in
one
of
the
student
Navy
came
on.
We
gave
her
the
time
to
get
used
to
the
job
or
be
available.
We
met
quickly
very
positive
conversation
said
well,
let's
see
what
the
dean
says.
Any
clerk
for
support
we
got
in
there
and
all
we
could
find
was
that
we
were
responsible
for
the
pump
station.
According
to
the
Deep,
we
didn't
find
any
easements
or
anything
like
that.
R
R
R
I'm,
not
an
expert
I'm,
not
here,
to
try
to
presenting
myself
as
an
expert
I'm,
trying
to
say
that
the
city
has
clearly
shown
in
several
times
that
they
know
a
lot
more
about
this
than
we
could
they
really
Express
that
they
also
much
more
organizingly
and
clearly
Express
that
and
all
the
documentation
they've.
Given
us
they've
shown
that
Ohio.
E
E
R
Thank
you,
the
hosting
authorities,
you
know
I
mean
there
might
be
a
couple
here
that
actually
our
personal
associations,
but
then
again
do
they
have
a
pipe
that
goes
up.
500
feet
up
the
hill,
Upper
Road,
probably
just
10
feet
away
from
the
sewer
I
know
for
a
fact
that,
where
our
nation
is
that
they
have
a
personal
Pump
Station,
they
have
a
personal
pump
station
right
here
on
that
on
that
lot,
just
by
themselves.
Why?
R
Because
we
were
sure,
looking
passive
virus
and
then
when
he
came
in
and
said
about
themselves,
they
want
to
do
one-time
payment.
We
said
no,
you
got
a
joint
disappeared
if
you're
good
go
through
the
city
require
them
to
do
a
pump
station.
We
also
have
a
couple
fields
at
the
beginning
of
the
street
right
next
to
the
Corey
and
across
the
street
owned
by
aquarium.
It's
open
field.
They
came
to
us
early
on
30
years.
They
both
said
who
would
die
into
your
Pump
Station.
R
They
could
have
taken
an
order,
but
at
the
time
we
weren't
sure
the
capacity
weren't
sure
enough,
but
it
was
outside
housing
building
or
that
space
for
the
city
to
earn
taxpayer
like
offer
as
an
engine.
If
the
city
had
control
of
that,
maybe
that
would
be
different.
It
makes
sense.
You
can
make
a
comment
in
a
complex
way.
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
We
put
in
it's
not
look
before
now,
yeah
well,
I
went
off
and
I
had
thought
one
night
I
had
to
go
down
there
with
a
flashlight
and
look
in
that
hole
and
see
what
the
heck's
going
on
I
had
no
clue,
no
clue
so
I
called
the
company
just
like
the
city
would
today
we
may
be
paid
for
that.
City
will
do
today.
R
So
we
would
come
and
take
a
look
at
and
said
you
know
what
your
floats
don't
fell
into
the
pump,
but
we
couldn't
get
somebody
for
three
days
now
we
have
a
contract
with
someone
come
that
night
and
check
it
because
we're
working
with
the
city
we
upgraded
to
a
monitoring
alarm
where
you
get
on
our
phone
section,
so
new
issues,
new
technology,
we
replace
all
the
infrastructure,
but
I'll
tell
you
at
nine
o'clock
at
night.
You
want
to
look
at
a
full
review.
The
citizen
responsible
for
figuring
out.
R
R
R
So
I
want
that
off.
The
table
really
I
understand
where
he's
coming
from.
If
we
put
this
burden
on
him
for
all
we're
asking
from
the
news
from
the
council
to
say
this
makes
sense,
lessons
from
the
city
like
you
did
with
the
Watershed
figure,
it
out
figure
out
how
to
do
it
and
come
back
to
us
with
a
plan.
All
we
had
to
do
is
find
a
memo
and
say
yeah.
R
You
can
do
it
if
you're
going
to
give
us
a
specialty
with
the
city
manager
said
it's
a
city
council
first,
when
we
first
met
approved
this
and
said
yeah
we're
going
to
take
over
your
pump
statement.
Go
to
these
three
circulations
one
is
has
to
be
upgrade.
We
did
that
in
that,
based
on
what
we
do
from
the
city
number
two
would
have
to
order
your
specialty.
Well,
we're
just
charging
705
and
they
didn't
even
get
us
a
week
about
anybody
in
that
neighborhood
because
they
knew
it
had
to
be
done.
R
R
They
have
to
get
approval
and
get
agreed
if
people
I
work
on
this
and
I
think
I
don't
want
to
be
negative
about
this.
I
want
to
try
to
stay
positive,
I.
Think
we've
worked
together
over
the
years
and
I
think
we've
worked
together
in
the
last
few
months
of
this
I,
don't
see
if
it
takes
about
six
months
or
less
or
more,
we
can
still
get
this
done.
I'm,
not
asking
for
a
change
over
today,
I'm
asking
that
we
had
the
funds
that
we
talked
to.
R
We
didn't
remember:
we
can
still
give
City
some
funds
to
help
with
the
easement
turnovers
or
legal
attorneys
or
whatever,
but
this
should
be
a
no
cost
to
see.
I
see
you
budget
I
know
you
were
having
over
20
to
40
hours
on
a
staff
member
that
the
city
should
have
or
shouldn't
have,
but
can
you
do
it
I?
Don't
want
you
to
think
it's
a
buggy,
Mission
I!
Don't
want
that
to
be
presented
as
a
plugin,
because
we
never
said
we
wouldn't
pay
for
this.
What
we
said
is
he
works
full-time.
R
R
It's
not
an
open,
shut
case.
I!
Think
it's
this
room
for
discussion.
It's
a
room
for
what
we
can
do
for
it
and
I
think
the
director
of
Public,
Utilities
and
everybody
has
their
opinion,
but
I
think
it's
right
for
you
to
say:
go,
let's
open,
let's
be
open-minded
about
it!
Let's
rethink
this
and
come
back
to
what
could
be
done.
I
think
as
residents
in
the
community
for
30
years,
I
love
the
neighborhood
I
love
working.
Well,
we're
a
very
diverse
neighborhood.
R
We
had
a
neighborhood
community
party
at
the
end,
a
very
close
neighborhood,
we're
just
trying
to
do
the
right
thing,
and
when
that
last
spell
occurred,
it
could
have
been
worse
and
I
could
have
been
held
liable
because
I
might
have
been
gone
for
a
few
days
and
come
back
to
a
disaster,
don't
be
heard
about
I
think
it
should
be
in
the
end
of
the
city
to
do
the
right
thing
and
again,
I.
Don't
think
any
of
us
feel
that
we
can't
pay
our
fair
share
to
make
this
work.
Any
questions.
A
R
R
And
our
issue
still
is
with
a
pipe
that
busting
I
mean
we
could
deal
with.
You
know
it's
nine
feet
down.
They
were
down
three
or
four
feet:
big
I
mean
I,
live
that
way,
so
I
know
about
heavy
trucks
and
vehicles,
and
it's
an
old
old
road
and
it
didn't
it
didn't
break
anywhere
else.
It
broke
into
the
point
where
they
were
working
so
I
mean
it
kind
of
hard
to
believe
it
was
a
coincidence,
but
I
think
I
think
we
we
aren't
doing
what
the
city's
asked
them
to
do.
B
B
R
Know,
but
we
we
are
working
with
paying
for
our
maintenance
contractor
that
the
crew
to
come
in
a
couple
years
pump
it
out
clean
it
out
all
again.
The
city
could
assess
that
fee
and
come
up
with
their
special
assessment
fee
for
the
neighborhood,
and
we
would
all
be
glad
to
go
to
the
only
thing
we're
Association
for
is
to
maintain
this
conversation,
and
the
only
thing
we're
doing
bad
in
that
neighborhood
is
maintaining
this
function,
we're
not
experts,
we
don't
always
feel
they
don't
change
over
time.
R
We
also
looked
at
the
fact
that
it's
been
thrown
back
at
us
there
trying
to
find
an
alternative
to
a
pump
station
running
a
line
down
towards
9th
Street
I
took
some
pictures
both
ways
with
new
technology.
It
may
you
know
the
machines
that
turn
bikes
under
the
ground.
It
may
not
be
as
evasive
as
some
people
have
stated
might
be
something
that's
also
as
an
alternative.
Remove.
P
R
A
Well,
let
me
say:
I
think
this
at
your
ask,
is
fairly
aligned
with
just
to
reiterate
from
the
staff
recommendation,
like
our
role
in
the
scenario
would
be
two
at
a
policy
level:
direct
staff.
Yes,
look
at
these
private
pumps,
not
just
yours,
it
would
be
all
of
them
or
no
and
I
I
want
to
re-emphasize
what
staff
recommended
as
well.
A
If
that's
a
decision
that
should
be
made
in
concert
with
our
strategic
prioritization
because
maybe
for
face
value,
I
think
it's
a
good
idea,
but
we
need
to
also
think
about
the
big
picture
of
all
the
things
we're
looking
at.
So
there
was
Council
interest
in
further
exploration.
I
think
we
would
have
to
pick
it
up
during
that
discussion,
but
now
would
be
a
good
time
to
again
if
there
are
more
questions
about
the
scenario
or
what
is
being
asked
to
get
clarity.
H
R
I'm
very
capable
of
doing
it
as
long
as
we
weren't
maintaining
it
right.
We
weren't,
you
know
worried
about
how
others
you
know
when
you
get
more
people
on
a
system,
there's
more
chances
for
concerns
and
issues.
So
I,
don't
know,
I
mean
I
would
really
have
to
be
upgraded.
Would
it
happen,
I
think
we
met
the
expectations
when
we
did
pump
it
up.
I
said
well:
what
happened
to
the
alarm
goes
off.
The
power
goes
up.
They
said
we
could
go
three
days
before
coming
with
the
residents
we
have
now.
R
A
R
School
District
would
come
to
you
and
say:
okay,
we
want
you
to
take
over
our
conversation.
You
have
a
tax
base.
Already,
that's
a
different
nowhere!
No
further,
would
you
build
their
soccer
field,
so
I
don't
see
that
as
an
issue
but
I
think
it's
your
point.
Take
it.
It
is,
but
it's
a
it's
a
separate
and
it
would
not
be
taken
on
this.
Take
the
city
under
under
a
command
for
them,
I
mean
you
might
take
a
contract
and
plow
their
driveways
to
the
city,
but
that
would
be
that's
already
happened
yeah.
C
R
A
K
A
G
S
Thank
you
so
I'd
like
to
read
just
a
brief
comment
from
Andrew
and
myself
on
this
topic
and
I
will
say
we
understand
this.
Really,
isn't
your
situation
to
deal
with,
but
who
came
to
you
guys
after
six
months
of
this
radio
Silence
from
the
city,
so
it
was
kind
of
a
way
to
get
their
attention.
I
guess,
but
we
share
many
of
Tom's
concerns,
we'll
try
not
to
belabor
the
same
points
and
we'll
keep
it
short.
S
C
S
S
If
the
city
brings
in
heavy
equipment,
we
should
assess
whether
the
road
can
support
and
protect
our
assets
from
the
wait,
among
many
other
things,
Tom
mentioned
right
now.
We
are
solely
responsible
for
this,
but
I
feel
like
our
vendors,
can't
be
fully
honest
and
in
our
Corner
about
this,
because
they
need
to
protect
relationships
with
the
city
and
politics
and
make
their
own
money.
S
City
contractors
or
workers
aren't
as
focused
or
concerned
with
our
assets
because
it
doesn't
belong
to
the
city
and
basically
it's
not
their
concern.
We
recognize
the
effort.
Public
Works
has
done
to
help
us,
like
the
EPA
report
this
summer,
but
seriously.
How
are
a
bunch
of
volunteers
supposed
to
write
that
up?
How
are
we
supposed
to
fulfill
all
of
these
obligations
responsibly?
S
Well,
not
being
Public
Works
people
we're
not
trained
we're
we're
volunteers,
we're
busy
people,
we've
been
in
the
in
the
neighborhood
for
two-ish
and
five-ish
years,
and
it's
already
apparent
to
me
that
the
neighborhood
HOA
model
is
flawed.
No
neighbor
wants
to
be
responsible
for
everyone's
waste.
No
one
wanted
to
be
on
the
HOA
we're
doing
this
reluctantly.
S
We
don't
want
to
be
responsible
for
your
toilet,
flushing.
There's
many
issues
with
having
an
HOA.
It
comes
with
inconsistent
communication
between
the
city
and
residents,
weird
neighborhood
of
hierarchies
and
inequities,
uncomfortable
boundary
issues
among
others,
lost
institutional
and
historical
knowledge
when
officers
burn
out
or
rotate,
which
happens
frequently
and
ultimately
it's
the
lack
of
time
and
expert
sees.
S
My
neighbors
have
lived
through
this
Arrangement
and
I've
come
to
the
conclusion
that
it's
not
really
a
good
model
should
we
be
managing
this
should
other
hoe
base
be
managing
this
you've
heard
our
arguments,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
so.
My
neighbors
don't
think
so.
Other
residents
and
people
I've
talked
to
in
Winooski,
don't
think
so.
G
S
Special
assessments-
okay-
we
don't
have
we're
not
asking
for
funding
through
everyone's
taxes,
give
us
special
assessments
every
time
something
breaks,
we'll
pay
for
it.
We've
already
showed
that
we'll
pay
for
it.
We
just
did
one
two
days
before
Thanksgiving
and
everyone
paid
within
two
weeks.
We
just
don't
want
the
responsibility.
Everyone
on
the
Block
is
willing
to
pay,
so
it
wouldn't
increase
a
financial
burden
on
yourselves.
It
would
it'd
be
the
cause
we
would
pay
for
it.
Basically.
S
P
R
This
week,
but
that's
still
doing
there
is
no
winner
for
the
costume
folks
we're
paying
it's
going
to
be
assessed.
What
their
feed
is
once
that
assessment
comes,
then,
let's
move
forward
it.
It's
not
now,
maybe
all
the
other
pump
stations
you
want
to
reach
out
to
them.
Oh,
we
don't
want
that.
I.
Think
we
like
we're
handling
it,
we're
only
three
feet
away
from
the
sewer
line.
We
don't
worry
about.
It.
A
R
Let
me
answer
from
my
perspective:
I'm
the
staff
on
Pineville
Terrace
I,
put
100
hours
into
collecting
I
put
10
hours
in
Contracting
a
contractor
and
having
show
up
and
looking
at
him
and
doing
the
job
make
sure
he
did
who
was
recommended
by
the
city
hands
done.
There
is
no
additional
cost.
We
don't
have
to
hire
a
new
employee
to
say:
oh
I
gotta
go
get
a
contractor
now
for
the
super
City.
Now,
when
a
cranky
old
is
everyone
always
give
me
a
quick
sound
to
the
president
here?
R
E
O
R
R
R
They
have
the
experts
they
have
the
number
and
if,
if
it
amounts
to
being
assessed
for
a
contract
to
have
someone
Mark
her
like
we're
doing
now,
okay,
we're
not
asking
you
to
the
world,
we're
just
local
taxpayers
who
say
all
right
with
the
guys
taxes
correctly
in
the
whole
city
for
sure
and
we're
not
willing
to
we're
willing
to
take
on
additional
fee.
We
just
don't
want
to
see
a
spill
unnoticed
over
the
weekend.
R
R
Said
why
do
we
even
do
this?
Because
now
they
think
the
responsibility
says
you
know
what
we're
going
to
redo
the
whole
Road
in
a
couple
of
years.
That's
the
worst
on
the
list
of
the
worst
quotes
and
when
this
people
and
get
that
as
an
easement
and
get
and
get
that
done,
I
might
want
to
do
that.
But
let's
say
like
what
the
experts
think
about
that.
R
But
what
I
look
for
with
City
Council
is
one
comment:
let's,
let's
keep
this
open
and
let's
ask
to
see
employees
who
know
who
did
the
water
runoff
thanks
and
put
some
considerable
climate
effort
and
found
a
grant
and
made
it
work?
30
years
later,
let's
at
least
say
pick
this
on
look
at
it
come
back
with
something
that
might
be
feasible
if
they
could
work
and
somewhere
else.
When
we
voted
the
council
to.
R
To
do
and
I'm
listening
to
you
guys
the
last
few
months
of
budgets
and
everything
else
and
I
said
we
are
not
going
to
go
in
there
and
put
this
on
you
guys.
All
we're
asking
is
that,
as
city
manager,
first
said,
I'd
say
no
to
see
accounts
because
we
don't
want
to
take
it
on,
but
if
it
did
it,
maybe
these
three
actions
we
looked
at
that
and
they
said:
okay,
that's
open-minded.
Let's
do
those
three
options
and
we
work
on
it.
R
S
P
S
A
Just
want
to
say,
like
I,
hear
the
logic
here,
the
concerns
you
have
the
request,
you're
making
I,
don't
think
tonight
we're
giving
a
hard,
no
but
I
I
would
not
be
a
fan
of
giving
a
yes
to
direct
staff
to
spend
their
time
and
resources
trying
to
figure
out
those
details
at
this
point.
I
think
that's
a
decision
we
have
to
make
in
a
bigger
picture,
discussion
and
I.
Think
there's
also
more
to
consider
here
the
implications
of
this
being
an
HOA
and
like
what
are
the
lines
between
when
the
city.
A
R
Yeah
I
I
understand,
then
we
started.
You
know,
six
months
later,
getting
a
lot
more
documentation
that
we
even
knew
existed,
and
so
we've
learned
a
lot
and
I've
learned
a
lot
about
conversations
that
I've
never
really
wanted
to
know.
You
know,
but
I
think
I,
think
you're
in
the
right
path
for
us
yeah
with
that
kind
of
concept.
R
Coming
back
and
asking
us
to
come
back
and
saying
we're
looking
at
this,
even
if
it's,
if
the
city
had
a
policy,
you
could
say
we
will
accept,
maybe
hold
under
this
guideline,
and
everybody
can
look
at
that
guidelines.
Well,
that's
not
what
where
we
want
to
do
well,
that
would
be
that
would
work
for
us
too,
when
that
kind
of
balance.
R
B
D
B
Ultimately,
what
Andrew
and
Tom
said
as
well
that
our
concern
is
not
one
of
cost
savings.
Our
concern
is
one
of
environmental
impact
and
really
ultimately
cost
savings
not
to
us
but
as
a
whole.
So
if
we
had
more
experience
in
how
to
manage
something
like
a
pump
station,
I
think
we've
all
learned
more
than
we've
ever
wanted
to
know
and
ever
will
want
to
know.
B
Then
the
fixes
could
have
come
sooner.
The
impact
on
the
street
could
have
been
decreased
and
the
total
Financial
cost
us
would
have
been
decreased
as
well
and
I.
Think.
A
lot
of
that
had
to
do
with
time
to
resolve
the
issues
that
came
up,
that
we
knew
very
little
about,
and
so
we
needed
an
intermediary
right.
So
we
were
just
basically
an
extra
step
in
the
process
to
getting
these
fixes
resolved
and
we're
not
looking
to
diminish
our
cost.
B
If
any
of
you
aren't
familiar
with
our
neighborhood,
it
leads
directly
down
into
the
pump
station
and
that
pump
station
sits
directly
above
Landry
Park.
In
fact,
there's
a
trail
that
leads
from
The
Pump,
Station,
directly
down
to
the
skate
park
and
down
into
the
park
and
then
further
on
to
the
pool
personally,
I
would
hate
to
see
anything
happen
down
there.
That
happened
as
a
result
of
us,
not
knowing
what
the
correct
next
steps
were
to
take,
because
we
were
waiting
on
expertise
from
either
a
contractor,
the
city,
the
EPA.
B
R
In
our
case
too,
don't
forget
on
the
table.
Is
our
escrow
fund
to
help
transition?
I,
don't
know
if
other
that
could
be
a
part
of
your
protocol?
Is
there
a
funding
to
help
transition
right
transmission
of
SBS
minutes
legal
fees,
whatever?
That
would
imagine
that
might
included?
We
are
willing
to
put
that
on
the
table
too.
We're
we're
moving
forward
best.
We
can
I
know
how
the
City
Works
I
was
on
the
school
board
program.
R
C
Q
Kind
of
previewed
this
in
the
last
meeting
would
be
bonds
main
resolution,
so
the
this
is
for
the
next
phase
of
construction,
Engineering
Services
for
the
mainstream
project.
So
this
will
cover
the
remaining
scope
of
our
Consultants,
including
the
resident
engineering
throughout
the
construction
phase,
work
and
it's
also
going
to
provide
bidding
supports
construction,
Administration
and
some
of
the
like
post-construction
support
So.
This
proposal
was
reviewed
by
all
our
finance
stakeholders,
so
USDA
the
dec
srf
folks
and
we've
Incorporated
their
comments
so
and
it.
P
Q
Include
I
provide
a
breakdown,
so
financing
wise
General
funds.
We
we
approve
that
the
the
bond
resolution
last
meeting
for
the
814
700
the
remaining
scope
of
this
one,
one
million
seven
hundred
and
eighty
three
thousand
three
hundred
twenty
two
dollars
is
Water:
Resources,
funded
scope,
so
278
430
is
water
fund,
scope
and
then
690
192
is
sewer
fund
scope
that
will
all
get
Road
rolled
into
the
USDA
financing.
So
that's
how
that
scope
is
funded,
and
this
is
all
within
the
the
approved
23
million
dollar
bonds.
Q
F
H
Q
P
H
Q
P
E
A
J
So
in
January,
2019
I'm
just
reading
from
the
novel,
so,
if
you're
ready,
you
can
check
out
for
a
minute
here.
City
council
decided
that
the
city
would
be
served
by
a
new
parking
garage
on
abernaki
way
in
March.
2019
voters
authorized
bonding
for
that
garage
of
up
to
9.7
million
dollars
in
2020.
The
city
entered
into
a
development
agreement
with
Neti
real
estate
LLC
for
the
Redevelopment
of
lot
7D
in
the
downtown.
J
We
did
receive
three
proposals
from
three
Banks.
After
some
negotiation
and
clarification
with
the
banks,
Echo
Financial
products
recommended
the
city,
select
the
Northfield
Savings
Bank
proposal.
The
city's
Bond
Council
has
prepared
the
necessary
documents
which
were
enclosed
in
your
packet
to
proceed.
City
council
must
authorize
a
incurrence
of
debt
via
the
resolution,
enclosed
and
B
execution
of
remaining
documents.
You'll
note
you'll
have
noted
that
the
enclosed
agreement
and
notes
are
in
draft
form
with
options
because
interest
rates
are
changing
every
day.
E
E
L
G
E
J
J
It
was
a
very
low-touch
interaction
and
one
underline
again
so
during
those
discussions,
Echo
pointed
out
that
we
were
in
a
good
position,
partly
because
of
the
financial
stat
situation,
we're
in
and
the
reporting
that
Angela
manages
gives
confidence
to
lenders
that
they
can
lend
to
us
because
we're
physically
manageable.
So
we
want
to
credit
staff
for
that
specifically
Angela
curious.
T
Hey
so
I'm
not
sure
if
everyone
here
has
gone
through
this
process
with
us
in
the
past,
but
per
our
city
Charter,
any
fees
that
are
levied
are
required
to
be
set
in
ordinance,
and
so,
through
our
ordinance
chapter
28.
We
have
Provisions
in
there
that
require
us
to
come
back
to
city
council
annually
to
set
the
rate
for
Thrive
and
then
for
any
other
additional
fees
for
programming
that
are
not
already
previously
established.
So
that
is
what
we
are
here
to
do
tonight.
T
So
a
couple
things
to
note
here
that
are,
you
know,
also
captured
in
the
cover
sheet,
but
wanted
to
just
talk
about
in
person.
So
the
rate
for
Thrive
summer,
we
are
proposing
to
increase
from
160
dollars
per
week
to
225
dollars
per
week
for
full
week
care
and
that
is
to
mirror
the
updated
base
rates
for
State
subsidy,
which
were
changed
in
early
July
of
2022.
T
What
that
allows
us
to
do
is
maximize
the
drawdown
for
families
that
are
accessing
subsidy
of
which
depends
on
the
year,
but
a
third
to
a
half.
Roughly
of
our
families
are
accessing
subsidy
at
any
given
time
and
so
for
us
financially,
that's
beneficial,
but
also
wanted
to
note
that,
given
the
anticipated
presence
of
Esser
funding
for
this
coming
summer,
out-of-pocket
impact
for
families
will
remain
at
zero
for
summer
programming.
So
for
families
this
this
shouldn't
hit
anybody's
wallets.
This
is
really
an
opportunity
for
us
to
maximize
drawdown
from
the
state.
T
H
T
Yeah,
it's
a
good
question,
yep
yep,
so
these
are
not.
These
are
not
reflective
of
a
change
to
the
ordinance.
These
are
in
response
to
ordinance
language
that
asks
us
to
come
to
council
and
set
fees
by
resolution.
So
this
doesn't
directly
impact
that
ordinance
change
that
we
are
talking
about
in
the
future.
This.
B
F
T
T
A
T
A
A
J
J
So
city
council
serves
as
the
trustees
of
the
Winooski
Community
Development
trust
staff,
recommend
Council,
receive
the
Winooski
Community
Development
revenue
and
allocate
those
revenues
back
to
the
city's
general
fund
for
the
Community
Development
budget
and
as
a
Prelude
to
that
as
part
of
the
city
council's
approved
FY
24
budget,
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
was
budgeted
again
to
the
Winooski
Community
Development
trust
from
the
tax
and
financing
budget
as
day
debt
payments.
On
the
existing
note.
U
A
O
A
G
A
J
So
the
say
for
the
sake
of
your
city
council
minutes
on
December
5th
20
2022,
the
city
manager
meeting
me
presented
an
overview
of
the
fiscal
year.
2024
proposed
budget
to
city
council.
Since
that
meeting
Council
has
received
presentations
from
each
department
and
this
time
asking
Council
to
prove
that
Community
Development
Fund
budget,
as
presented
any.
A
E
P
F
A
A
Counselors
had
the
opportunity
to
review
and
suggest
edits
following
the
meeting,
so
we
have
a
revised
version
attached
here.
The
inclusion
of
belonging
commission
will
review
this
at
their
upcoming
meeting.
So
tonight
we
could
choose
to
adopt
what
exists
now
and
revisit
it.
If
there
are
substantial
suggestions
from
the
commission,
we
could
wait
until
after
they've
had
a
review,
and
we
could
also
wait
if
there
are
more
revisions
that
we
want
to
make
tonight
so
Aurora.
Would
you
like
to
do
a
quick
overview
of
the
tool
again
yeah.
I
Some
of
the
changes
that
were
made
is
to
put
some
specific
language
in
about
kind
of
what
per
kind
of
protected
groups
and
protected
classes
and
marginalized
communities
we're
intending
to
cover
with
this
and
make
sure
that
we
are
moving
forward
equitably
in
these
different
ways
and
following
that
there
are
just
a
bunch
of
questions
getting
at
those
specific
areas.
I
think
there
was
a
slight
move.
I
I
Consider
impacts-
and
my
one
question
here
is
kind
of
do
we
want
to
include
considering
impacts
kind
of
more
than
once
just
to
check
in
and
one
item
under
considering
adverse
impacts
is
specifically
thinking
about
racial
Equity,
just
to
kind
of
acknowledge
the
the
need
of
that
in
in
the
city's
work
and
then
finally,
there's
examining
Alternatives
or
improvements.
So
that's
it.
I
There
is
a
concern
that
is
kind
of
raised
or
if
there
could
be
ways
that
positive
impacts
could
be
increased
and
finally
kind
of
an
audit
process
at
the
end,
to
make
sure,
during
a
final
vote,
that
all
kind
of
all
these
considerations
have
been
taken
into
account
before
putting
a
policy
in
place,
I
think
I
covered
it.
Thank
you.
E
First
off
start
with
some
appreciation:
Aurora
counselor
her
for
doing
this
and
making
these
changes
I
really
appreciate
what
you've
put
together
here
and
I.
Only
question
I
wanted
to
ask
is
around
including
the
practice
and
the
goal
is
used
throughout
and
evaluating
practices
and
I'm
curious.
What
do
you
speak
more
to
kind
of
what
was
intended
there
and
what
that?
How
that
would
differentiate
from
a
policy
budget
or
strategy
priority
policy
yeah.
E
I
A
J
J
H
H
C
I
H
I
A
H
F
H
I
I
H
H
H
E
E
I
I
A
I
I
H
I
I
think
I
think
what
I
would
lean
to
is
kind
of
involve
having
the
list
within
the
discussion.
It's
like
initial
discussions
itself
and
work
on
filling
it
out
as
a
whole,
Council
and
maybe
think
about
moving
that
like
if
we
have
different
expertise
but
I
feel
like
it's
valuable
to
kind
of
specifically
have
within
a
discussion.
I
E
I
ask
potentially
consider
revising
the
cover
sheet
to
include
staff
recommendation
of
whether
this
is
reviewed,
like
whether
Council
go
through
the
equity
assessment
on
a
given
policy
program
item.
If
that
could
be
a
way
to
institutionalize
and
provide
written
documents,
and
that's
like
it's
just
a
link
that
says
like
here's.
The
link
to
your
Equity
assessment
and
staff
thinks
this
is
minor
or
this
is
Major
and
you
need
to
review
it.
E
A
E
We
could
also
amend
our
rules
or
our
rules
and
procedures
to
acquire
a
cover
sheet
submission,
with
a
request
for
an
agenda
item
from
a
counselor
and
right
now.
It's
just
like
want
to
see
it
on
the
agenda
and
I,
provide
you
one
sentence
or
several
pages
right,
so
we
could,
for
items
that
are
coming
from
counselors
could
ask
for
a
simpler
cover
sheet
potentially,
but
that
includes
that.
A
J
Well
so,
from
my
perspective,
it's
if
it's
from
Council
I,
like
the
point
of
my
cover
sheet,
is
to
introduce
something
from
staff.
But
you
are
not
Steph,
it's
your
prerogative
to
introduce
items
so
it
it's
I
would
be
subverting
your
rule
to
be
able
to
provide
information
to
council
directly
by
providing
the
coverage
to
myself.
H
E
E
J
A
H
Feel
like
there's
some
comfort
or
some
discussion
that
gave
me
comfort
as
to
whether
or
not
the
uses
should
be
fully
documented,
like
line
by
line
Point
by
point
or
whether
or
not
it
should
be
brought
forward.
As
discussion
item
and
I
think
I.
There
are
a
number
of
things
like
I
I.
Think
overall
I
want
to
hear
from
the
inclusion
and
belonging
commission
and
I
appreciate
the
recommendation
recommendation
of
the
mayor
to
Let's
frame
this
as
a
discussion
first
and
kind
of
walk.
Before
we
run.
We.
I
H
P
F
A
A
I
Yes,
so
at
our
last
meeting,
oh
on
Jan
or
on
our
meeting
on
January
23rd
mayor,
a
lot
presented,
a
memorandum
proposing
the
process
for
an
annual
review
for
the
city
manager.
Part
of
the
intent
of
doing
it
now
is
that
the
route
reviews
being
done
before
we
have
any
turnover
in
Council
to
kind
of
ensure
consistency
and
I,
guess
kind
of
avoid
any
bias
or
not
knowledge
of
an
incoming
counselor.
The
timeline
was
slightly
shifted
from
the
initial
initial
recommendation.
I
I
I
That
can
that
that
should
just
be
kept
in
line
as
we
go
through
the
process
and
definitely
thinking
about
how
we
might
improve
this
for
the
future
of
kind
of
building
in
smart
accountability.
I
think
the
anonymous
Nature
has
a
lot
of
benefits,
but
still
probably
want
to
build
in
some
process
to
have
that
accountability
so
either
an
additional
little
survey.
A
Appointment
or
employment
or
evaluation
of
a
public
officer
employee,
provided
that
the
public
body
shall
make
a
final
decision
in
open
meeting
and
shall
explain
the
reasons
for
its
final
decision
during
the
open
meeting
I'm
sorry.
This
is
poorly
worded
on
my
part
that
we
can
have
this
discussion
in
executive
session
because
it
is
about
employee
performance.
Any
actual
votes
or
decisions
would
happen
in
public,
though
so
I'm
looking
for
a
motion
to
find
that
to
move.
Second.