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00:00:00 Call to Order/Cannabis Control Commission
00:06:18 Liquor Control Board
00:17:47 Agenda Review
00:18:32 Public Comment
00:18:57 Consent Agenda
00:19:22 Council Reports
00:27:21 City Updates
00:29:22 Inclusion & Belonging Appointment
00:31:35 VT Air National Guard Emergency Services
01:46:34 Downtown Winooski MY Update
02:11:43 Personnel Policy Update
02:15:23 Operational Overviews
02:43:54 Approval of LEMP
03:25:43 Emergency Lock Box Program
03:38:42 Strategic Vision Area Goal Update
03:44:45 Strategies & Priorities Retreat
04:09:51 Executive Session
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A
It
is
6
p.m.
On
Monday
April,
17th
I'm
going
to
call
to
order
first,
the
meeting
of
the
Cannabis
Control
Commission.
Please
join
us
in
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance,
led
by
Deputy
Mayor
Thomas
Renner
hi
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
of
the
United
States
of
America
and
to
the
Republic
for
which
it
stands.
One
nation
under
God
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all.
Thank
you.
B
This
as
it
was
included
with
your
agenda
I,
provided
you
with
the
our
procedure,
our
kind
of
process
document
that
was
that
you
all
reviewed
and
approved
back
in
October.
So
earlier
this
month,
we
received
word
from
the
Cannabis
control
board
that
a
a
local
business
had
applied
for
and
was
pending
approval
of
a
tier
two
manufacturing
license.
This
would
be
in
conjunction
with
a
with
a
home
occupation,
so
there
would
be
no
outward
visual.
B
Limited
information
that
we're
actually
able
to
provide
given
the
given
the
fact
that
it's
some
of
it
is
proprietary
information,
there's
there's
issues
with
security
and
statutory
components
with
that,
but
the
applicant
was
intending
to
be
here
tonight,
although
I'm
not
seeing
them
in
in
the
zoom
list.
So
unless
they're
in
the
room.
B
But
I
have
had
conversations
with
the
with
the
applicant
to
make
sure
that
they
are
meeting
all
of
our
existing
land
use
regulations.
They
do
have
an
open
building
permit
right
now
that,
just
to
finish
up
some
of
the
work
that
they
were
doing
in
relation
to
the
to
the
the
manufacturing.
So
in
the
memo
I
included
with
the
agenda,
the
only
item
I
noted
was
just
closing
out
that
permit
for
issuance
of
the
the
license
or
for.
D
B
B
There
would
not
be
no
there's
because
it's
a
because
of
the
home
occupation,
they
they
could
have
one
very
small
sign,
but
it
would
have
to
be
the
we
have
very
specific
regulations
on
on
signage
for
home
occupation,
so
they
wouldn't
be
allowed
to
have
they'd.
Have
they
allowed
to
have
one
employee?
Potentially
they
wouldn't
have
any
outward
advertising
on
the
business
itself
other
than
as
I
mentioned.
One
very
small
wall
sign
I
think
it's
like
a
12
inch
by
12
inch
sign
and
that's
about
the
size
of
it.
B
F
B
Not
to
not
to
manufacture
cannabis,
so
it's
possible,
they
could
have
a
well
I
guess
they
could
have
a
second
business
there,
but
they
would
still
need
to
meet
the
home
occupation
standards
that
are
outlined
in
our
regulations,
so
I
believe
it's
30
of
the
of
the
square.
Footage
of
the
of
the
structure
can
be
utilized
for
the
home
of
occupation.
B
So
as
long
as
they
didn't
exceed
that
presumably
I
guess
they
could
have
an
additional
business
in
the
in
the
establishment,
but
they're
not
allowed
to
see
clients
on
site
or
limited
very
limited
interaction
with
the
public
on
site.
It's
really
intended
to
blend
in
with
the
with
the
with
the
neighborhood
and
not
be
a
a
typical
brick
and
mortar
type
business
that
you
might
see
anywhere
else.
B
B
Well,
so
we
would,
we
could
still
regulate
that
under
our
performance
standards
as
we
have
with
other
businesses
or
any
other
use
technically.
So
if
it
is,
if
there
are
odors
that
are
becoming
an
issue,
we
would
address
it
just
like
we
would
any
other
land
use
in
the
city
and
and
we
could
take
enforcement
action
in
that
direction.
Okay,.
H
A
C
A
C
J
K
C
I
A
I
I
I
I
don't
want
to
overwhelm
either
of
us
with
more
more
things
that
we
need
to
do,
and
given
some
of
the
practices
that
one
of
our
Distributors
is
going
to
be
using,
it's
really
clean.
They
have
a
really
good
system
for
developing
the
rosin
and
the
distillate,
so
I
think
it's
better
to
leave
it
to
the
professionals
who
already
know
what
they're
doing
rather
than
trying
to
overload
ourselves
with
so
we'll
be
purchasing
it
directly
from
a
distributor,
Northern
craft.
C
J
J
Pending
because
they
haven't
satisfied
all
the
requirements
yet,
okay,
either
their
sidewalk
was
approved,
they're
waiting,
an
inspection
there's
quite
a
few
like
all.
The
second
class
need
an
inspection,
a
follow-up
inspection
they've
been
inspected
once
by
code
enforcement,
but
they
all
need
a
follow-up
inspection.
Okay,.
J
All
of
these
I
I
did
not
put
in
but
they're
all
rest.
All
the
restaurants
are
approved
as
restaurant
they've
all
submitted
payment
and
applications
for
restaurants.
I'll
bring
another
agenda
with
the
other
ones
that
do
not
sell
liquor.
So,
just
asking
for
approval
of
these
liquor
licenses,
the
period
ends
April
30th.
That's
why
I
just
wanted
to
put
them
on
the
agenda
for
this
evening,
so
we
can
get
the
ball
rolling.
J
Also
just
an
update
for
the
outside
consumption
I
just
heard
from
fusion,
and
they
don't
they're
not
going
to
request
a
sidewalk
permit,
and
that's
not
the
last
one
on
the
back
page
and
just
to
bring
this
up.
This
could
be
conditional.
I
can
bring
it
on
May,
2nd,
but
four
quarters
at
their
two
locations
at
70,
Main,
Street
and
150
West
Canal
have
requested
entertainment
applications
for
both
a
year
around.
N
A
A
So
for
any
attending
members
of
the
public,
these
are
liquor
license
renewals
tobacco
endorsements
outside
consumption,
sidewalk
use
permits,
including
the
last
stop.
The
VFW
The
Archives,
regular
veterans,
association
for
quarters,
Mandarin,
Fusion,
chicks,
Market,
Walgreens,
Sammy's,
Quick,
Stop,
Fast
Stop,
the
Champlain,
Farms,
Simons
and
Beverage
Warehouse
I.
Think
that's
everyone!
That's
on
this
list
and
Wesco.
J
D
D
A
J
J
J
F
J
F
F
J
J
N
F
J
N
A
N
F
M
D
A
D
D
A
A
G
D
A
A
This
was
to
have
a
discussion
about
potential
shared
priorities
that
they
might
recommend
to
us
as
city
council
and
staff
leadership,
when
we
do
our
annual
strategic
prioritization
session
on
Saturday
May
13th,
that's
a
discussion
where
we
set
the
we
align
on
the
priorities
that
we're
going
to
work
towards
in
the
upcoming
year.
That
is
open
to
the
public.
More
information
will
be
shared.
A
Some
of
that,
some
of
those
comments
I'm
bringing
back
to
the
downtown
minnewski
discussion
later
because
they're
relevant,
but
otherwise
we
actually
had
made
quite
a
bit
of
progress
on
that
document,
which
is
good
news.
Since
we
haven't
had
someone
in
the
the
old
Community,
Economic,
Development
officer
role,
monitoring
for
that
the
Planning
Commission
met
as
well
and
kicked
off
a
discussion
on
creating
a
new
design
review
District.
A
A
A
Folks,
from
across
the
county
myself
in
the
windy
city,
school
district,
Wellness
coordinator
attended,
as
well
as
some
folks
from
Burlington
School
District,
to
discuss
essentially
that
school
staff
are
serving
and
becoming
sort
of
front
line
of
discovering
housing,
instability
issues
with
families
who
are
in
connection
with
the
school.
So
there
was
discussion
about
how
agencies
that
are
actually
resourced
and
able
to
support
with
housing
could
give
could
resource
these
the
schools
so
that
they're
not
trying
to
do
that
service
on
their
own.
A
Elaine
and
I
on
Saturday
were
able
to
attend
an
event
at
the
Winooski
School
District
to
meet
with
parents
in
our
multilingual
communities.
There
are
four
different
linguistic
groups
present
who
are
able
to
meet
with.
We
shared
some
information
on
housing
voting.
Basically,
what
the
city
does
and
then
took
their
questions
and
answers.
A
A
C
A
P
F
I
want
to
serve
the
infrastructure.
Commission
is
not
meeting
this
month.
We
don't
have
enough
agenda
items,
so
we
are
going
to
cancel
this
month's
meeting,
but
imagine
there
will
be
lots
to
talk
about
after
our
Retreat
next
month
on
May
13th
Greenup
day
is
May
6th.
So
just
make
sure
you
look
for
announcements
in
front
forum
and
through
the
city
channels
to
to
get
updates
on
where
to
go
and
find
your
find
your
bags
and
get
additional
details
for
locations
good
locations
to
collect.
F
F
Q
Don't
have
a
whole
lot
so
say:
probably
connected
people
did
not
meet
this
month.
Also
due
to
not
having
enough
on
the
agenda,
we
were
supposed
to
have
a
meeting
of
inclusion
and
belonging
last
week,
but
we
didn't
have
a
quorum.
So
we
are
still
working
on
rescheduling
that,
as
there
are
some
items
that
we
want
to
make
sure
to
discuss
there
before
coming
to
Castle.
A
E
N
As
a
reminder,
the
city
clerk's
office
is
currently
still
closed
on
Tuesdays
and
open
from
8
AM
to
4
P.M
on
Monday,
Wednesday
and
Thursday
on
Fridays
our
summer
team
and
Team
Employment
Program
is
now
accepting
applications.
We
have
three
seasonal
part-time
positions
that
directly
support
Community
engagement
in
community.
All
three
positions
run
in
May
in
June
this
summer
and
pay
15
an
hour.
Youth
ages,
16
and
up
are
encouraged
to
play.
Physicians
are
counselor
and
training.
N
This
role
supervises
and
supports
the
participants
in
our
after-school
camps,
Community
Services
programs,
a
library
assistant
that
supports
various
operations
at
the
Winooski
Memorial
Library
include
programs,
customer
service
and
administrative
tests
and
finally,
in
parks
and
trail
crew.
Member.
This
person
will
help
maintain
release
these
Trails
parks
and
open
spaces
with
our
recreational
parks
team.
Please
learn
more
and
apply
at
upvbt.gov
jobs
and
just
a
little
bit
of
additional
detail
to
counselor
Oak
Police
mention
about
the
Jamaica
County
Regional
planning,
commission's
open
house
and
Community
workshop
online
plan.
N
There
will
be
a
project,
presentation
and
questions
and
answers
this
project,
with
support
from
the
consultant
PHP
to
create
a
comprehensive
walk
by
plan
for
news
feed
with
a
prioritized
set
of
infrastructure
recommendations
and
cost
estimates
for
financial
services.
Learn
more
about
that
or
any
other
item.
O
A
J
C
Q
A
R
You
know
they
precede
to
me
as
Chief.
It's
been
a
place
for
many
many
years.
We
continue
to
evolve.
That
relationship
we've,
we've
assigned
them
to
First,
alarms
here
in
the
city.
So
if
there's
a
credible
report
to
our
dispatchers
of
smoke
in
a
building,
a
sprinkler
alarm
activation
the
natural
gas
leak
on
those
sorts
of
things,
they're
automatically
dispatched
Saint,
Mike's
and
St
Mike's
rescue,
so
we
rely
on
them
heavily.
R
You
know
it's
it's
a
it's
a
relationship
that
proves
very
valuable
for
us
I'm
getting
you
know,
four
or
five
of
their
folks
with
an
officer
on
their
truck
the
other
they're
highly
trained
in
both
structural
firefighting
and
Technical
rescue
so
again,
they're
very
valuable
assets.
They
see
come
into
the
city
22
over
the
calendar.
They
were
in
12
times
into
the
City
and
again
the
first
alarm
is
fairly
new
for
us.
R
So
since
January
1st,
the
current
they've
been
into
the
city
11
times,
so
we
expect
that
number
to
continue
to
grow
and
part
of
that
growth.
There's
also
Winooski
has
been
put
on
the
phase
five
emergencies
at
the
airport.
When
there's
a
large
event
at
the
airport,
we
Now
respond
to
the
airport.
So
we've
since
January
1st
we've
been
there
twice.
So
it's
a
relationship
that
goes
both
ways.
Obviously
they
come
here
more
than
we
go
there,
but
I
guess
I'll.
Stop
there
and
kind
of
I,
don't
know
what
questions
or
updates
I.
S
S
I've
been
the
military
fire
chief
for
four
years,
so
as
a
fire
chief,
I'm,
relatively
new
to
the
game,
but
I'm
not
new
to
the
to
the
area
and
building
the
relationships
of
personal
relationships
that
it
takes
to
be
successful
as
a
team
and
inter-organizationally
we're
here
to
look
to
build
upon
what
we
already
have
so
as
Chief
was
getting
at.
We've
made
some
modifications
to
our
response
standards.
We
only
anticipate
those
numbers
to
grow
I'm,
not
going
to
sit
here
and
sell
you
a
story.
S
That's
not
true
we're
getting
busier,
and
it's
it's
good
to
have
all
the
help
from
the
friends
that
you
can
can
have
in
the
event
that
you
need
them
and
that's
not
lost
on
us.
What
we
bring
to
the
table
like
Chief
said,
is
training
that
the
state
not
not
necessarily
can't
offer
but
doesn't
offer
on
a
regular
basis.
So
we
have
the
accessibility
to
go
Nationwide
with
our
schools,
with
our
Rescue
Training,
with
our
Hazmat
training,
with
our
aircraft
rescue
firefighting
training.
S
With
our
knowledge
of
how
the
rest
of
the
US
does
firefighting,
we
send
people
everywhere
to
train
with
Excuse
me
other
Air,
Force
bases,
City
fire
departments,
and
we
meet
so
many
different
people
from
so
many
different
walks
of
life,
not
only
here
in
the
Northeast
but
as
an
example.
We're
I'm
taking
15
of
my
people
out
to
Alaska
for
two
weeks
of
Summer
to
see
how
they
do
things.
S
So
it
sounds
real
tough,
but
we're
going
to
go,
observe
how
they
do
things
up
north
on
top
of
all
that
last
year,
out
of
350
51
emergency
responses
that
we
had
244
of
those
are
mutually
so
we're
going
off
the
base
and
we're
servicing
the
communities
at
no
cost.
We're
not
asking
for
anything
in
return.
Obviously,
if
something
gets
damaged
during
a
call,
that's
where
Insurance
kicks
in
so
we
don't
hold
the
cities
or
the
fire
departments
liable.
S
It's
it's
the
insurance
companies,
I
guess
to
put
that
in
perspective,
we're
in
the
top
20.
As
far
as
the
dod
is
concerned,
with
emergency
responses,
we
ran
almost
a
thousand
calls
last
year
and
we're
on
track
to
beat
that
so
we're.
Here
we
want
to
be
utilized,
we
have
the
talent,
we
have
the
resources,
we
have,
the
people
who
are
hungry
and
and
we're
just
looking
to
kind
of
here
we
are.
T
Yep
I'm
Shannon
Kelly,
as
Chief
mentioned
I'm
the
environmental
manager
there
with
the
Air,
National,
Guard
and
so
I
work
closely
with
the
fire
department
as
needed,
dealing
with
the
various
Foams
that
we've
had
over
the
years
and
I'm
there
to
support
them,
and
sometimes
they
support
us
in
times
of
our
need.
If
it
shows
up
so
I've,
been
there
about
eight
years
and
I've
seen
lots
of
good
things
working
with
the
fire
department
there
here
with
the
Air
National
Guards
been
a
great
experience
for
me.
T
A
I
know,
you've
been
a
part
of
the
mutual
Aid
structure,
and
so
it's
good
to
actually
have
a
chance
to
like
ask
questions
or
get
to
know.
You
better
also
want
to
just
appreciate
the
increased
service
level
that
we're
providing
or
you're
providing
here
you
know,
given
the
challenges
with
Staffing
for
the
fire
department,
it's
really
it's
great
to
be
able
to
collaborate
more
like
that.
D
F
D
First,
yes,
sir
yeah
first
I'd
like
to
Echo
what
the
mayor
said.
Thank
you
for
everything
that
you
do
for
Winter,
Ski,
I'm,
pretty
sure
I've
seen
your
trucks
at
some
of
the
bigger
fires
we've
had
recently
so
much
appreciated.
I
was
wondering
you
know
that.
There's
a
that
you
all
at
the
guard.
Both
sides
are
experiencing
some
staffing
issues.
Have
you
noticed
that
when
you're
is
that
impacting
your
fire
department
Staffing
as
well.
S
Thankfully,
no
to
the
full-time,
Force,
I
think
I
think
just
due
to
the
region.
The
military
is
not
as
a
high
demand
occupation
as
as
other
regions
of
the
U.S,
so
recruitment
on
the
military
side
can
be
an
issue.
Thankfully,
we've
we've
increased
our
efforts
and
we're
good
now,
but
we've
fought
really
hard
to
get
numbers
up
and
and
staff
the
military
side
of
things,
but
we're
we're
getting
plenty
of
applications
for
full-time
status.
D
Awesome
I'd
be
remiss
without
asking
a
question
that
I've
heard
from
constituents
and
circles
around
from
approach.
Forum
I've
recently
received
a
briefing
so
I
kind
of
know
what
the
answer
is.
But
if
you
could
maybe
talk
about
the
mechanisms
that
you
have
in
place
that
you
that
you
can
discuss
of
if
there
were
to
be
a
fighter
jet
crash
or
something
like
that
up
at
the
base.
S
So
a
little
bit
about
us,
we
have,
we
have
an
ajua,
so
a
joint
use
agreement
with
the
airport.
We
have
the
responsibility
charged
by
the
federal
government
as
well
as
the
City
of
Burlington
to
respond
to
a
certain
range.
That's
15
miles
pick
a
point
in
the
middle
of
the
Airfield
draw
15
miles.
That's
where
we
go
automatically
I
saved
15
miles.
That's
not
the
limit
right.
S
If
something
goes
down
in
Plattsburgh
or
over
the
lake
or
you
know,
Southern
Vermont
New
Hampshire
will
provide
our
assistance
as
necessary,
depending
on
how
far
away
it
depends
on
what
resources
we
can
send
in
an
expedient
fashion.
I
guess
that
would
just
it's
all
Case
by
case
in
the
immediate
area,
however,
we
would
send
a
full
response
and,
as
it's
our
duty
to
take
care
of
the
federal
excuse
me,
the
National
Security
interest,
as
well
as
the
federal
asset,
as
well
as
the
surrounding
community.
S
So
I
would
show
up
work
hand
in
hand
with
Chief
body
in
a
unified
command
and
more
than
likely
direct
aircraft
rescue
firefighting
operations
and
advise
him
in
his
capacity.
When
he's
thinking
about
the
total
picture-
and
we
would
work
together
to
make
the
problem
go
away
as
quickly
as
possible,
so.
S
Go
I
again:
the
F-35
is
a
new
platform.
It's
it's
a
hot
word
right
now,
I
get
it
I
understand
the
six
teams
were
when
they
were
here.
Everybody
was
was
nervous.
I
wasn't
here
for
the
transition
for
the
16s,
but
I
I
heard
all
about
it.
What
I
would
offer
is
other
than
the
National
Security
aspect.
We've
treated
no
different
than
a
commercial
aircraft
crash.
It's
another
airplane,
the
materials
involved.
The
the
chemicals
involved,
they're
largely
similar,
just
a
smaller
package.
The
only
thing
that
differentiates
it
are.
A
S
So
I
can't
speak.
I
can't
speak
to
the
chemical
makeup
I'm,
not
the
expert
on
that
I
just
put
the
fire
out
right.
That's
what
we
train
our
people
to
do.
We
are
trained
to
keep
Vapor
down
suppressed
vapor
through
water
foam
application
and
make
sure
that
the
scene
is
safe.
Everything
every
bit
of
information
that
we've
received
says
if
we're
doing
our
jobs
right,
there's
a
I'm
not
going
to
say
no
risk.
There's
there's
always
risk
right,
but
it
makes
it
reasonably
safer
around
the
surrounding
area.
S
It's
just
really
boils
down
to
how
quick
can
we
get
there
and
how
quick
can
we
put
water
on
fire
as
far
as
the
the
coding
goes
again,
I
can't
speak
to
it,
but
what
I
would
offer
is
the
construction
of
the
plant
carbon
fiber
composites
they're
in
every
commercial
aircraft.
That's
been
flying
here
since
the
40s.
F
F
S
In
my
career,
I've,
attended,
I,
want
to
say
two
or
three
train
incident
classes
and
they
were
offered
down
at
City
of
Burlington
I
couldn't
name
dates
because
I
have
a
terrible
memory,
but
I
have
I,
don't
have
been
there.
What
I
would
offer
is
this.
We
would
treat
it
no
different
than
a
mass
jet
fuel
fire,
Mass
family
wood
fire.
They
call
for
a
large
amount
of
agent,
meaning
water
foam
mixture
to
put
them
out.
You
can
spray
water
on
them
all
day
long.
It's
just
going
to
spread
the
problem.
R
R
R
R
F
You
that's
reassuring
and
very
beneficial
with
clarification
for
for
our
residents
as
a
follow-up
to
that.
Obviously,
another
thing
that
is
kind
of
a
Hot,
Topic,
environmentally
speaking,
is
p
fast
people
and
its
presence
in
focused
person.
And
can
you
go
into
any
detail
about
how
that's
being
addressed
or
mitigated
with
the
new
regulations
that
that
surround
pfas
contaminants.
S
Yeah
I
I
mean
I,
can
answer
to
what
I
know
and
then
I'll
kick
this
one
to
Mr
Kelly
here.
So
what
I
can
tell
you
right
now
is
we
are
on
a
C6
short
chain
phone
and
it's
there
are
significantly
less
pfast
people
elements
present
and
compare
that
to
what
the
state
has
in
stockpile,
which
is
the
Legacy
old
version,
has
the
longer
chain,
P
fast,
pfoa,
more
harmful
to
the
environment.
S
The
state
is
put
in
place
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
an
ordinance
or
a
law
regulation
that
they
cannot
disperse
that
foam.
So
it
is
my
understanding
that
we
are
the
only
ones
with
the
federal
exemption
to
actually
use
the
phone
and
when
I
say,
use
the
foam.
It's
our
foam.
The
shorter
chain
I
can
say
with
pretty
good
confidence
that
in
the
next
18
months
or
so
we
are
slated
to
get
a
pfast
people
free
solution
to
H
AAA.
S
So
it
is
on
its
way
and
and
again
being
a
DOD
government
agency,
I'm,
pretty
confident,
saying
we'll,
probably
be
one
of
the
first
agencies
in
the
state
to
receive
it.
So
there's
Hope
on
the
horizon.
This
is
a
relatively
new
thing
for
us
as
well:
we've
been
using
the
stuff
for
years
and
thought
nothing
of
it
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
you
know
10.
Maybe
12
years
ago
we
started
hearing,
Rumblings
and
and
now
here
we
are.
S
I
think
that's
that's
a
case
by
case
I
I
think
we're
all
wise
enough
and
not
too
proud
to
to
seed
some
ground
when,
when
someone
else
has
a
little
more
knowledge
in
that
Arena
I'm
not
going
to
challenge
the
chief
on
his
buildings
or
his
City
he's
just
going
to
tell
us
where
he
wants
us
and
what
he
wants
us
to
do.
I
would
say
if
it's
the
one-off,
if
it's
a
tech,
rescue
call
aircraft
call
or
whatever
we
would,
we
would
consult
each
other
heavily
and
we
run
honestly.
S
We
run
annually
and
every
three
years
we
run
drills
annually
that
test
that
capability.
For
us
and
every
three
years
we
run
a
Mass
Casey
incident
on
the
airport
that
that
truly
tests
how
how
thick
that
fabric
is
before
it
starts.
Unraveling,
and
we
have
you-
know,
eight
12
15
agencies
responding
and
we
have
a
representative
from
each
talking
to
us.
While
it's
all
going
on
so.
C
C
S
R
R
So
we
wanted
to
be
part
of
that
coming
here,
not
just
oh,
all
of
a
sudden
haven't
come
into
the
city.
Secondly,
I
can
relate
to
our
fires
recently,
in
a
degree
that
was
just
done
and
there's
15
fire
departments
that
were
in
here
on
Main
Street
for
the
three
structure
fires,
Chief
Palmer
was
in
charge
of
Zach
Collins,
the
insect
commander
and
you
know
kind
of
I
stood
with
him,
but
there
are
several
Chiefs.
You
know
the
Burlington
Chief,
the
Williston
Chief,
the
Colchester
deputy
chief.
R
E
E
A
H
Hi
I'm,
Camille,
Clark,
I,
guess
one
of
the
questions
I
had
it
was
an
answer,
but
it
is
what
is
the
amount
of
toxic
chemicals
fibers
and
particulates
after
a
F-35
crash
in
fuel
fire
regarding,
like
the
military,
carbon
composite
body
and
this
the
coating
of
the
f-35s?
And
that
was
an
answer.
But
where
would
you
find
the
answer
to
that
and
is
that
that
would
have
to
be
available
to
the
public.
S
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
definitive
answer
on
that
I
think
every
crash
is
different
in
its
own
right.
It
depends
on
the
size
of
the
crash.
How
far
spread
out
it
is
how
far
the
contamination
goes,
and
I
can
speak
to
this,
that
if
there
is
an
incident,
there's
a
Reclamation
effort
and
there's
data
that
backs
the
effort.
So
if,
if
there's
so
much
or
and
actually
I
can
defer
to
to
Mr
Kelly
here,
but
the
Chiefs
I've
talked
to
that
have
actually
ran
incident
command
on
the
F-35
practice.
S
The
cleanup
effort
is
more
extensive
than
the
response.
It's
far
more
extensive
and
I
can't
even
imagine
so.
I
I
am
in
communication
with
with
Chiefs
who
have
actually
real
time
on
these
incidents
and
I
can
I
can
defer
to
Mr
Kelly
because
he's
been
in
charge
of
of
the
environmental
program
and
overseeing
some
of
these
efforts
up
with
other
materials.
T
Yeah
I
think
you
answered
it
pretty
well,
I,
don't
think
there
would
be
a
defined
amount,
it
would
just
be
based
on
you
know
the
the
play
break
in
half
two
pieces.
You
know
was
it
shattered
into
many
pieces,
I
mean
really,
it
would
depend
on
what
type
of
crash
or
what
the
extent
of
the
crash
site
looked
like.
That
would
be
really
the
best
answer
without
providing
a
quantitative
answer
to
your
question.
S
That
all
depends
it.
It
depends
on
the
structure.
Fire
depends
on
a
on
a
car
accident.
It
depends
on
an
aircraft
crash.
It
depends
on
how
large
the
incident
actually
is.
It
depends
on
what
the
federal
agencies
involved
deemed
a
secure
area.
It
would
depend
on
how
long
the
investigation
took,
and
it
would
depend
on
how
long
cleanup
efforts
took,
but
that
would
go
with
anything
if
it
was
a
suspicious
fire.
The
area
would
be
off
limits
for
so
long.
Nobody
could
go
around
to
touch
anything
around
it.
S
T
A
E
U
Okay,
as
the
coordinator
of
the
Vermont
P
pots,
military
poisons
Coalition
and
Winooski
resident
I
am
here
to
ask
you
to
vote
no
on
signing
behold.
Armless
Indemnity
agreement
between
the
Winooski
fire
department
and
the
U.S
government
in
betang
other
cities,
and
at
least
one
state
across
the
country,
have
refused
to
sign
this
agreement
and
I
urge
Winooski
to
to
be
one
of
those
cities
that
says
no
to
it.
U
Winooski
is
already
an
environmental
justice
Zone
according
to
the
epa's
new
analytical
tools
and
in
reality
we
are
a
sacrifice.
So
we
must
protect
our
city
and
our
residents
from
the
harms
of
pfas
firefighting,
foam
and
other
hazardous
substances,
and
many
of
us
never
thought
that
the
F-35
should
be
stationed
in
such
an
urban
densely
populated
area.
We
fear
a
crash
in
our
community.
U
The
smoke
produced
from
a
burning
F-35
would
contain
microscopic
fibers
and
Plastics
known
by
the
airports
to
be
carcinogenic,
mutagenic
and
toxic,
and
such
materials
could
inflict
permanent
lung
and
neural
damage
and
even
death,
if
inhaled
frankly,
it
doesn't
matter
if
we
sign
this
agreement
or
not.
I
bet
you're
asking
why
well,
because
the
agreement
states
that,
even
if
we
don't
sign
it,
we
can't
hold
the
United
States
liable
for
any
harm
that
it
causes.
U
However,
we
must
not
sign
it
for
the
following
reasons:
there
are
over
600
military
sites
that
are
super
fun
site
contaminated
by
hazardous
materials,
more
are
being
identified
every
year
and
here's
the
sad
truth
of
50
sites
with
the
highest
pfas
level.
Contamination.
Only
nine
have
cleanup
plans
that
are
being
developed
under
Superfund
law.
Not
a
single
cleanup
plan
has
been
finalized
and
little
actual
cleanup
has
begun
anywhere.
The
dod
has
been
great
at
dragging
its
feet,
because
the
dod
Department
of
Defense
has
known
about
the
toxic
effects
of
pfos
pollution
for
decades.
U
The
timeline
for
what
the
dod
knew
about
FIFA
starts
in
1973
and
it
continues
until
2000
when
3M
the
primary
maker
of
pfas
was
going
to
stop
making
it
due
to
evidence
of
its
hazardous
health
effects.
But
DOD
wanted
and
waited
another
decade
to
issue
a
risk
alert
to
its
own
service
members
and
did
not
take
steps
to
replace
AFF
until
2015
and,
what's
more,
they
replace
the
new.
Pfos
replacement
has
been
linked
to
many
of
the
same
health
effects
as
those
caused
by
the
original
firefighting
foam.
U
The
dod
is
supposed
to
also
follow
state
laws
around
FIFA's
and
hazardous
substances,
but
the
defense
department
is
going
back
on
its
word
and
is
refusing
to
comply
with
state
laws.
So
far,
at
least
four
states
have
used
state
regulations
to
try
and
compel
military
bases
to
take
cleanup
action
on
pfas
and
each
state
has
been
met
with
resistance
or
counter
lawsuits
by
the
dod.
The
states
are
New,
York,
Colorado,
New,
Mexico
and
Michigan
FIFA's
firefighting.
Foam
is
still
used
broadly
by
a
lot
of
firefighting
units
across
the
dod.
U
The
forest
service,
commercial
airports
and
many
state
fire
departments
also
use
the
fire
suppressing
foam
that
contains
pfas,
while
the
Pentagon
has
phased
out
the
phone
for
training
to
reduce
exposure,
it's
still
present
in
Airline
Hangar
Sprinklers,
and
it
still
can
be
used
in
the
case
of
aircraft
fire
or
a
plane
crash.
Please
no.
Please
vote
no
on
the
whole
harmless
agreement,
even
if
the
vote
is
largely
symbolic.
U
I
can
assure
you
that
there
is
a
cost
to
this
agreement
and
we
shouldn't
allow
a
single
Department
of
the
city
of
Winooski
to
approve
it
at
our
individual
expense.
We
cannot
let
the
dod
continue
to
be
responsible
in
the
use
of
pfos
firefighting.
Foam
refused
to
recognize
or
treat
its
own
service
members
and
take
care
of
the
residents
of
communities
affected
by
pfos
and
honor
its
EPA
super
fund
commitment
to
clean
up
the
messes
it
creates
in
our
communities,
keeping
us
truly
safe,
which
is
what
the
military
should
do.
Thank
you
thanks.
A
N
Speaking
to
is
a
request
in
the
draft
agreement
that
would
require
the
city
to
hold
the
tank
harmless
for
any
issues
found
afterwards
from
the
use
of
firefighting
foam
because
of
the
confess,
that's
part,
of
a
larger
agreement.
It's
an
operational
agreement,
which
is
why
it's
not
in
front
of
council,
but
really
it's
been
a
matter
of
a
little
discourse
for
some
time
so
bring
up
the
topic.
We
had
a
quick
chat
before
a
meeting
started
and
I
asked
Council
to
get
some
other
contacts
about
what
it
would
mean.
S
Of
that
is
so
the
indemnity
clause
it
specifically
listed
in
their
foam.
That's
a
change
in
the
last
year
and
a
half
to
two
years,
which
is
why
we're
pushing
out
the
new
Mutual
Aid
agreements,
a
triple
f
is
while
I'm
not
going
to
dispute
the
fact
that
it
does
have
forever
chemicals
in
it.
It
is
one
of
those
things
that
is
necessary
in
the
Java
Class
B
firefighting,
when
I
say
when
class
B
firefightings
is
flammable
liquids.
S
S
S
If
you
have
a
truck
delivering
fuel
at
a
gas
station
here
in
the
city
and
it
starts
leaking
and
catches
on
fire
that
that
will
spread
right,
downhill,
all
the
way
downhill
I'm,
not
here
to
to
scare
you
I'm
just
here
to
tell
you
the
facts:
I've
seen
a
lot
of
fuel
fires
in
my
career
I've
seen
what
they
do.
I've
seen
them
expand
and
the
only
thing
that
I've
seen
that
works
is
a
triple
f
I'm,
not
going
to
dispute
any
facts
about
the
about
the
chemicals
that
are
used
in
the
makeup
of
it.
S
That's
not
what
I'm
here
for
so
I
want
them
here
to
speak,
to
I'm
just
here
to
advise
and
and
offer
a
service.
If
you
don't
want
it,
we
can
move
forward
peacefully
and
we
can
sign
the
agreement
without
that
Clause,
not
that
Clause,
but
that
specific
verbage
of
the
clause
in
there
there
has
to
be
some
sort
of
Indemnity
to
us
as
Winooski
comes
on
and
they
operate
with.
You
know
to
hold
harmless
and
stuff
like
that.
S
It's
it's
what
happens
in
our
world,
it
doesn't
rule
out
negligence,
so
I
will
say
that
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
too
much
attorney
speak
here,
because
I've
got
one,
but
what
I
will
say
is
every
department
operates
with
some
sort
of
indemnity.
We
show
up
to
make
things
better,
not
worse
and
that's
that's
the
intent.
S
I
do
have
one
more
note
to
add.
We
are
the
only
agency
in
the
state
that
can
do
Mass
application
of
this
and
I
believe
the
only
agency
in
the
state
that
actually
can
apply
it.
Vermont
Hazmat
has
their
hands
tied,
so
Chief
mentioned
we'll
call
Hazmat
I'm,
not
sure
what
good
they're
going
to
do.
I've
been
talking
with
the
Hazmat
Chief
and
he's
been
instructed
not
to
utilize
his
stores.
S
C
V
Hi
I
live
in
Hinesburg
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
council
from
for
hearing
my
comments,
I
support
the
comments
of
margury
Adelman
that
were
made
earlier.
I
too,
would
like
to
ask
the
council
to
decline
to
participate
in
a
memorandum
of
understanding
that
doesn't
prevent
harm
to
the
community
of
Winooski.
V
Whenever
you
have
the
opportunity,
I
do
believe.
There
has
already
been
negligence.
I
wanted
to
correct
the
comment
that
was
made
about
short
chain
and
long
chain.
Pfas
short
chain
pifas
have
come
about
because
the
harm
of
the
longer
chain
pfas
has
been
known
for
longer,
and
manufacturers
have
made
a
14
000
different
pfas
chemicals,
only
very
few
of
which
have
actually
been
studied
so
having
a
short
chain
pfas
in
the
firefighting
foam
is
not
an
improvement.
V
I
sent
articles
to
the
Council
on
10
F-35
crashes
around
the
world,
I'm
I'm
glad
to
hear
people
asking
questions
about
the
plan
in
an
event
of
an
F-35
crash
and
at
the
same
time
it's
ample
evidence
that
we
don't
need
the
Basin
here
in
this
community
and
I
think
when
we
take
a
stand
at
any
level.
It
helps
to
work
on
appropriate
and
healthy
boundaries
between
military
operations
and
residential
communities.
V
Right
now,
the
public
is
unaware
of
the
need
that
might
occur
as
far
as
evacuation.
There's
no
emergency
plans
and
drills
in
place.
Yet
because
people
aren't
talking
about
these
issues
enough
The
Fallout
from
the
Fort
Worth
crash,
which
happened
at
the
end
of
December,
is
that
deliveries
about
35s
and
F-35
parts
are
on
hold
currently.
V
My
questions
regarding
vitang
is:
what
are
you
already
doing
to
clean
up
the
pfos
that
you've
already
dubbed
in
the
Winooski
River
and
Lake
Champlain?
It
concerned
me
when
I
saw
this
agreement
because
I
feel
like
instead
of
cleaning
it
up
they're
trying
to
wash
their
hands
of
the
problem
at
the
expense
of
Community
Health,
and
that
makes
me
really
sad.
V
Some
of
the
illnesses
that
are
caused
by
pfas
are
reproductive,
including
high
blood
pressure
and
pregnancy,
Developmental
and
cognitive
delays
and
impacts
on
embryos,
infants
and
children
over
time
that
also
has
affected
the
school
budget.
This
is
not
something
in
the
future,
but
something
that's
already
happening.
V
V
V
I
know
a
lot
because
I
worked
in
public
schools
with
special
education
and
I
know
a
lot
because
of
the
impact
on
my
own
family
I'm,
urging
the
city
of
Winooski
to
do
everything
it
can
to
reduce
harm
to
residents
perpetuated
by
vitang
guard
is
supposed
to
stand
for
protecting
the
people
and
so
I
ask
those
who
are
here
on
behalf
of
the
guard
and
the
fire
department.
Also
to
please
protect
us.
Please
use
your
voice
to
stand
up
for
us
and
to
share
the
truth
that
we
are
sharing.
V
V
V
V
V
A
T
Yeah
so
about
six
years
ago,
in
2017
we
installed
a
what's
known
as
a
granular
activated
carbon
filtration
system
and
that's
located
in
what
we,
what
was
formerly
known
as
our
fire
training
area.
So
that's
where
the
firefighters
used
to
practice,
putting
out
putting
out
fires
within
a
contained
area.
So
that's
been
an
operation
for
about
six
years
right
now,
we're
waiting
on
the
next
phase,
which
is
the
remedial
investigation
within
the
circular
process.
I
think
somebody
used
that
term.
T
That's
the
federal
term,
some
call
it
super
fun,
but
within
military
circles,
essentially
it
falls
under
a
different
category,
but
essentially
it's
it's
under
the
federal
cleanup
process,
so
we're
in
line
behind
other
Air,
National,
Guard
and
active
duty
military
installations.
Those
who
have
public
drinking
water
impacts
are
well
ahead
of
us
for
obvious
reasons,
we're
somewhere
in
the
shoot
for
the
next
phase
of
that.
But
right
now
we
have.
T
We
have
one
one
bit
of
remediation
going
on
on
the
installation
and
that's
been
going
on
for
about
six
years
and
that's
just
that's
just
partial
remedies.
Creation
of
what
exists,
as
our
investigations
have
expanded
across
the
base
and
off
the
base,
there
will
be
more
remediation
down
the
road
in
the
years
to
come.
Thank.
W
W
My
understanding,
the
military
bases
rank,
is
some
of
the
most
polluted
places
on
the
planet,
which
also
goes
for
all
the
way
down
right
here
into
Vermont.
That
betang
base
has
so
many
toxic
chemicals
leaching
off,
but
into
the
Winooski
river,
which
then
flows
into
our
drinking
water,
which
comes
out
of
Lake
Champlain.
So
it's
unclear
to
me
how
that
could
be
considered
not
affecting
our
drinking
water.
E
A
L
X
You
hi
I'm
here,
I
I
presented
a
really
brief
written
comment.
I
I
just
basically
am
interested
in
acknowledging
that
the
guard
is
established
to
help
people
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
they've
helped
fight
fires.
There
have
to
be
ways
to
to
speed
up
the
delivery
of
a
triple
F
foam
firefighting
foam
that
doesn't
have
pfos
in
it.
It
does
exist
in
some
countries
in
Europe
and
I'm.
X
S
S
I
can't
tell
you
how
it's
going
to
land,
how
it's
going
to
crash
I
can't
tell
you
where
the
debris
Field's
going
to
be
I,
can't
tell
you
the
wind
direction.
For
that
day.
I
can't
tell
you
the
humidity.
For
that
day.
I
can't
tell
you
the
precipitation
levels
for
that
day
and
I
can
tell
you
how
much
support
we're
going
to
get
from
the
outside
communities
immediately,
as
well
as
what
the
traffic
conditions
are
like.
What
our
response
times
are
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
S
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
give
you
an
answer.
There
are
very
few
certainties
in
our
career
field
and
when
we
show
up
what
we
see
is
what
we
get.
So
we
have
checklists
that
are
developed
over
years
and
years
of
training
to
set
us
up
for
the
best
success
possible
for
the
responders
and
the
general
public
that
all
can
change
as
soon
as
we
arrive
on
scene
and
it's
not
what
we
were
led
to
believe
so.
S
I
would
just
like
to
put
that
expectation
of
realism
in
there
and
again
the
same
holds
true
for
any
aircraft
that
flies
in
and
out
of
here
could
be
a
helicopter.
It
could
be
an
experimental
aircraft
from
beta.
It
could
be
a
commercial
aircraft
liner.
It
could
be
a
large
frame
aircraft
that
have
frequented
here
that
we
have
to
plus
up
our
staffing
for
so
we
are
prepared
as
prepared
as
we
can
be
as
emergency
responders
and
I
think
the
chief
can
agree
with
me
on
this
Chief
body.
S
Y
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
The
military
has
regulations
related
to
protecting
civilians
in
the
various
very
strict
regulations
in
five
different
ways.
The
military
is
supposed
to
conduct
its
operations
in
a
way
that
that
that
avoids
harming
the
billions
and
one
of
those
regulations
is
called
distinction
that
requires
the
military
to
keep
its
operations
separate
and
apart
from
populated
areas.
Y
That's
the
best
way
to
protect,
not
just
against
the
noise
against
the
crash
against
the
nuclear
against
the
targeting
by
U.S
enemies
of
f-35b.
It's
been
against
every
possible
harm
that
this
can
is
producing
is
to
remove
the
is
to
do
what
the
military
zone
regulations
require.
Maintain
a
separation
from
populated
areas.
There
are
plenty
of
of
places
where
the
F-35
training
could
be
conducted
so
that
it
doesn't
hurt
civilians
or
in
Peril.
The
lives
of
civilians,
particularly.
Y
Y
When
the
when
the
carbon
composite
body
of
the
F-35
and
its
stealth
coating
burn,
the
combustion
products
are
not
just
water,
vapor
and
carbon
dioxide
like
they
are
fuel.
The
Carbon
Composites
that
are
in
these
military
Carbon
Composites,
don't
burn
completely.
All
kinds
of
of
chemicals
are
released,
including
the
ones
that
caused
a.
Y
Loss
of
life
in
Bhopal
I
mean
there's
just
a
mixture
of
chemicals
and
these
chemicals
interact
with
each
other
in
the
human
body
and
then
there's
the
fibers
and
particulates
that
are
very
fine
and
get
into
the
alveoli
a
vli
of
the
lungs
and
cause
lung
prop
this.
This
is
not
something
that
should
be
experimenting
with
in
a
city.
It
should
be
far
away
from
populated
areas,
so
I
really
support
what
others
from
the
community
have
been
saying
and
I
urge
the
city
council
to
take
appropriate
action
to
protect
the
people
of
winnerski.
Thank
you.
S
All
the
toxic
chemicals
that
you
were
listing
off
minus
would
forgive
me
I'm,
not
a
technical
expert
on
the
coding
on
the
aircraft
reside
in
your
homes,
so
as
materials
burn
in
your
homes
that
we
enter
that
we
fight
fires
on
they
have
all
the
very
same
signatures.
The
pfos
people
elements
in
their
makeup,
whether
you
buy
furniture,
whether
you
buy
refrigerators
with
refrigerant
in
it.
S
The
list
goes
on
and
on
and
on
I'm,
not
here
to
tell
you
that
firefighting
isn't
dangerous,
because
it
is
I'm
not
here
to
tell
you
that
the
world
is
free
of
Hazards
because
it
isn't.
But
I
would
just
oh
temper
expectations
when
we
even
respond
to
a
structure
fire,
because
there
are
toxic
fumes
far
beyond
carbon
monoxide
and
dioxide.
V
V
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is
in
regard
to
the
drinking
water
discussion,
because
there
are
many
locations
around
the
state
of
Vermont,
where
the
level
of
toxins
has
not
been
detectable,
and
that
does
not
mean
that
it's
not
in
the
water,
and
it
is
still
a
major
concern,
because
these
chemicals
bio
accumulate
not
just
in
our
human
bodies.
Everyone
who's
listening
to
me
already
has
a
lot
of
pfas
in
their
bodies,
but
you
know
also
in
plants
and
animals.
V
S
Redirects
and
I'm
sorry
I
I
do
want
to
mention
someone
had
made
the
comment,
and
forgive
me,
there's
been
a
lot
of
people
talking
tonight
that
the
dod
is
not
taking
care
of
his
people.
Again.
We
were
made
aware
of
this
situation,
maybe
10
to
12
years
ago,
and
made
efforts
to
to
swap
out
the
triple
F.
It
is
mandatory
that
all
DOD
firefighters
at
this
point
time
be
offered
pfos
people
blood
testing,
to
get
a
feel
for
what
it's
done
to
us
over
our
careers
again,
I'm
lumped
in
with
that
crowd.
S
Not
going
going
into
my
personal
feelings
on
the
matter.
However,
they
are
they're
doing
their
best
to
figure
out
if
there
is
an
issue
and
how
big
that
issue
may
be
so
they
are
they're
doing
the
rest
to
take
care
of
us.
The
other
important
note
is
we
someone
had
mentioned
I
want
to
I
want
to
thank
them
for
having
an
accurate
fact
on
this
is
we
do
not?
We
do
not
train
with
our
phone
and
we
do
not
do
open
testing.
So
what
does
that
mean?
S
G
S
Answer
it's
complicated
right
if
it
is
a
Class,
B
type
fire
liquid
excuse
me
flammable
liquid
fire
and
it
was
requested
through
a
town
that
had
a
valid
Mutual
Aid
agreement.
We
absolutely
would
acquiesce
and
and
follow
the
incident.
Commander's
instructions
and
say
hey,
put
foam
on
that
on
the
airport,
where
we're
given
the
green
light
due
to
the
ajua,
it's
kind
of
our
our
safety
zone
and
then
right
now
as
it
stands.
S
If
you
don't
sign
that
indemnity
clause,
we
cannot
use
that
foam
on
an
air
commercial
aircraft
crash
outside
the
fence.
So
right
now
it
is
on
Military
assets.
Only
it's
where
Federal
jurisdiction
kicks
in
again
I'm,
not
an
attorney
I.
Can't
I
can't
speak
to
the
ins
and
outs
of
it,
but
that's
my
directive
and
that's
that's
what
I'm
operating
on?
Thank
you
yep.
So.
R
As
you
heard
me
say
locally,
you
know
air
guard's,
a
huge
resource
for
us
and
part
of
that
is
the
class
B
capabilities.
Right
I
mean
Super
complicated
game
day
decision,
as
Chief
said.
You
know,
God
forbid,
if
something
happens
here
in
Winooski,
but
to
take
that
completely
off
the
table.
For
us,
that's
huge
our
decision
making
really
changes
right,
our
ability,
you
know
to
quickly
put
that
fire
out
and
potentially
mitigate
it.
Immediate
life
safety
hazard,
knowing
that
there's
environmental
peace
to
that
that
needs
to
get
dealt
with.
R
D
And
if
I
could
I'd
just
like
to
clarify,
clarify
a
point
because
I
think
it's
really
quite
important
in
this
conversation.
So
if
I
understand
you
correctly,
you
know
God
forbid,
say
a
commercial
airliner
crashed
in
the
middle
of
the
city.
I
would
imagine
that
would
create
a
huge
fire
if
we
did
not
sign
the
agreement
as
it
currently
is,
you
would
not
be
able
to
respond
with
the
foam
that
would
put
it
out.
I.
S
F
S
F
R
F
R
R
You
know
it
could
be
an
event
at
our
sewer
plant
that
we
want
to
mitigate
quickly,
protect
critical
infrastructure,
there's
a
whole
host
of
reasons
why
I
would
get
to
the
addition
decision
point
to
use
it,
not
my
first
choice
but
one
that
would
be
made
fairly
quickly.
Given
then
that's,
you
know,
pre-planning
event,
pre-planning
building,
pre-planning
the
community
risk
reduction
efforts
that
we
do.
That's
why
it's
so
important
right
I
mean
an
airplane
crashes
in
williski.
It's
a
big
deal.
R
It's
going
to
impact
our
complete
one
square
mile,
one
way
or
another.
It's
going
to
be
very,
very
impactful,
a
small
electric
beta
plane
that
drops
here,
God
forbid,
it's
going
to
be
very,
very
impactful
and
you
escalate
it
from
there.
You
know
the
electric
vehicle
fire
in
our
parking
garage.
You
know
the
runoffs
and
you
know
fifth
Burns
for
two
days
which
is
happening.
R
You
know
it's
not
just
an
aircraft.
You
know,
there's
there's
several
different
situations
that
could
be
very,
very
impactful
in
the
Winooski,
and
we
need
the
ability
to
have
all
the
tools
that
we
can
in
the
toolbox
to
mitigate
those
as
quickly
as
we
can
to
lessen
that
impact.
Knowing
that
we
need
to
be
very
mindful
about
the
environment,
obviously,
and
the
future
impacts
that
those
decisions
are
going
to
make.
F
And
a
follow-up
question
to
that,
while
the
agreement
has
a
clause
for
indemnification,
is
there
any
I
haven't
seen
the
agreement
so
I
apologize?
If
this
question
is
obvious,
is
there
anything
in
the
agreement
that
captures
any
any
support?
That's
given
or
financially,
or
you
know
directly
for
cleanup
that
that's
needed
or
warranted
afterwards,
so.
R
You
know
again.
The
state
has
much
more
financial
resources
or
ability
and
sometimes
authority
to
order
such
cleanup
or
mitigate
short-term.
While
we
figure
out
who's
responsible
for
set
of
mitigation.
Well,
new
ski
doesn't
have
the
resources
to
do
that.
We
are
going
to
be
reaching
outside
of
the
university
and
that
I
am
going
to
start
with
the
state
Vermont
Emergency
Management
Hazmat,
whatever
resources
the
state
enable
you
know
they
are
a
valued
partner
and
they
will
be
a
very,
very
important
one.
S
R
R
S
And
I
think
one
important
thing
worth
noting
is
VT.
Hazmat
is
a
very
important
to
me
so
subject
matter
expert
on
the
matter
and
we
I
I
would
expect
Chief
or
myself
if
something
happened
on
the
Airfield
to
have
them
consult
absolutely
but
I
think
it's
important
to
set
expectations
they're,
not
in
immediate
immediate
response
agency.
It
takes
some
time
to
mobilize
and
get
resources
to
the
incident,
so
I
think
that's
the
other
key
factor
that
needs
to
come
into
mind:
you're
lucky.
S
If
you
have
one
five
minutes
for
me,
but
more
often
than
not
they
take
two
hours
to
mobilize
and
get
to
you
so
two
hours
into
an
incident.
We're
already
done
making
decisions
if
we're
doing
our
job
right,
hopefully
the
fire's
out
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out
cleanup
at
that
point
again:
I'm,
not
not
speaking
ill
of
Vermont
hazmat.
But
it's
a
program
that's
designed
to
cover
the
entire
State.
It's.
R
I
will
connect
a
couple,
dots
for
your
J
and
B
fire
and
you're
going
to
know
the
trucking
company
over
by
Costco
with
burn
a
few
years
ago.
I
happen
to
be
the
first
one.
I've
seen
there
and
happened.
There
was
eight
tractor
trailers
on
fire
and
approximately
90,
and
you
know,
80
to
90
truck
tires
a
paint
booth
there's
a
lot
of
nasty
there.
You
know
the
HazMat
team
was
called
within
the
first
few
minutes
of
that.
R
Knowing
that
we
were
going
to
have
firefighters
that
need
to
be
decontaminated,
there
needed
to
be
some
mitigation
on
site
to
a
runoff
but
they're,
an
integral
part
of
what
that
cleanup
was
not
only
get
us
out
of
there
safely.
You
know,
there's
thousands
and
thousands
of
dollars
worth
of
gear
that
was
trashed.
It
was
put
in
trash
bags
and
people
can
never
be
worn.
Again.
That's
been
destroyed,
hoes,
you
know
they
made
those
decisions
of
no.
You
should
not
take
that
back
to
your
honesty,
Firehouse
try
to
clean
it.
R
R
C
R
R
You
know
those
decisions,
any
decisions
like
that
I
mean
on
emergency
scene,
aren't
made
you
know
easily.
In
some
cases
there
may
with
a
lot
of
different.
You
know
walks
of
life.
If
you
will
different
levels
of
expertise
that
come
to
the
table
again:
15
fire
departments
on
Main
Street.
You
know
several
Chief
officers,
hundreds
of
years
of
experience,
they're
in
a
Melting
Pot.
You
know
trying
to
mitigate
that
situation.
R
G
R
C
S
S
I
was
the
incident
commanders
that
don't
use
foam,
get
it
out
with
water
I
think
we
can
tackle
this
years
of
experience
and
training
got
it
out
three
generations:
a
grandfather,
father
son
made
it
out
completely
safe,
so
instance,
where
it
wasn't
our
first
tool
in
the
toolbox.
However,
it
was
in
our
back
pocket
if
we
weren't
making
progress
on
the
on
the
aircraft
fire.
So
good
example,
very,
very
upfront
fire
was
out
in
less
than
30
seconds.
It
was
great
thank.
A
F
A
I
am
going
to
call
a
five
minute
recess,
so
it
looks
like
7
45
by
the
city
hall
clock.
We
will
recommend
at
7
50.
sorry
for
another
five
minute
delay.
We
are
on
item
C,
downtown
Winooski,
mid
year,
update
and
executive
director
introduction.
Elaine.
Do
you
need
to
do
any
stage
settings
you
can
come
on
up.
N
N
O
O
O
It
was
part
of
the
city
and
then
they
quickly
realized
that
having
a
little
bit
of
separation
between
the
downtown
work
and
the
city,
the
municipality
would
be
beneficial
of
the
23
downtowns
in
Vermont,
only
one
is
housed
within
a
municipality,
so
that's
pretty
standard
I
would
say
across
the
country.
It
varies
a
lot
more,
but
in
Vermont
it's
pretty
standard
to
have
some
separation
between
the
municipality
and
the
downtown
work.
That
being
said,
it
does
change
depending
on
you
know
where
you
are
so
in
2018.
O
The
organization
was
at
a
Crossroads
and
essentially
said
we
can't
continue
the
way
that
we
have
been.
We
are
fully
volunteer
run
and
our
funding
is
not
sustainable
and
we
are
either
going
to
shut
down
and
have
you
know
some
sort
of
changes
where
the
municipality
takes
on
this
work,
or
we
need
to
figure
out
something
else.
O
So,
thankfully,
with
City
staff
and
Council,
and
a
lot
of
other
people
coming
together,
this
memorandum
of
understanding,
the
first
one
was
created
and
through
that
we've
tweaked
it
every
year.
Since
then,
it's
been
renewed
every
year
with
slight
changes,
usually
to
just
better
reflect
what
we're
doing
better
reflect
what
kind
of
metrics
we
want
to
see
better
reflect
how
this
can
work.
We
are
an
independent
organization,
we're
not
overseen
by
the
city,
but
we
are
allies
and
we
want
to
work
together.
O
So
if
there
are
changes
that
need
to
happen,
we
can
make
that
happen.
So
as
we
continue
to
work
with
different
staff
and
different
city
managers
and
different
councils,
we
will
make
tweaks
as
needed.
So
this
one
of
the
tweaks
that
we
made
this
year
was
to
actually
report
on
the
mou,
which
makes
total
sense
in
hindsight
to
to
not
just
meet
yearly
to
talk
about
what
the
mou
should
be,
but
to
talk
about
what
we're,
what
we're
working
on
and
so
I
did.
O
There
is
a
document
that
you
should
have
at
some
point
and
you
can
look
at
it
later:
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
it
all,
because
I
would
be
very
dry.
But
essentially
what
I
wanted
to
highlight
is
that
the
the
city
of
Winooski
and
downtown,
when
you
see,
have
an
incredibly
positive
relationship
which
we're
really
grateful
for
downtown
Winooski
in
particular,
especially
when
I
joined
in
2019.
O
We
worked
really
closely
with
City
staff
on
making
sure
that
we
were
aligned
with
the
economic
Vitality
portion
of
the
master
plan,
and
that
is
actually
pretty
rare
for
a
downtown
org,
I'm
I'm.
So
I'm
surprised
to
see
how
many
downtown
Orcs
in
Vermont
and
across
this
the
country
are
not
necessarily
super
aligned
and
I.
Think
that
that
is
a
mistake
and
so
I'm
really
grateful
for
the
leadership
that
I
had.
O
O
You
know,
certainly
we'd
like
to
push
and
pull
where
it's
needed,
but
but
not
at
the
get-go,
not
about
basic
things.
So
we're
really
grateful
for
that
positive,
positive
relationship
and
also
this
mou
and
this
report
that
I'm
talking
about,
does
not
cover
100
of
our
programming
our
projects,
our
work.
This
is
simply
what's
in
the
mou.
O
If
anyone
has
any
questions
about
anything
else,
we're
happy
to
provide
more
detail,
I
love,
providing
more
detail,
I
could
always
say
more
words
and
you've
been
warned
so
so,
essentially,
the
downtown
program
is
in
existence
because
we,
the
city
of
Winooski,
is
a
designated
downtown.
So
we
need
to
have
an
organization
or
an
entity
in
place
in
order
to
have
that
designation,
and
so
we
are
that
piece.
We
could
do
the
bare
minimum,
but
we
want
to
serve
our
community.
O
We
have
passion
for
not
only
the
economic
Vitality
but
the
vibrancy
of
our
community
overall
we're
one
square
mile,
1.2
square
miles,
maybe
1.5
I've
heard
so
some
amount
of
square
miles
that
are
very
small,
and
so
we
do
serve
the
entire
Community,
not
just
the
downtown,
but
that
is
where
this
started.
Our
designated
downtown
does
have
lines,
but
our
organization
doesn't,
if
that
helps.
O
O
The
downtown
organizations
have
been
required
to
exist
and
have
had
no
State
funding,
not
a
single
Cent,
which
is
really
shocking,
and
so
it
looks
there
looks
like
there
is
funding
in
the
governor's
budget
currently
and
crossing
our
fingers
and
toes
that
it
goes
through.
But
the
budget
for
next
year
looks
like
it
does
include
a
little
bit
of
capacity
funding
for
every
downtown
in
Vermont,
which
is
amazing,
and
it
happened
very
quickly.
We
were
expecting
it
to
happen
over
three
years
and
it
happened
the
first
year.
O
So
we're
really
grateful
to
the
Downtown
Coalition
and
to
be
a
part
of
that
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
kind
of
an
increased
you
know,
capacity
building.
Overall,
we
are
especially
you
know,
downtown
Winooski
and
all
of
the
downtown
orgs
are
incredibly
small,
and
so
sustainability
is
a
huge
part
of
what
what
we're
looking
for.
O
Everyone
can,
you
know,
disagree
on,
but
we're
just
really
grateful
that
Winooski
has,
in
general,
recognized
from
the
start
from
2005
in
its
Inception
and
certainly
in
recent
years,
as
we've
tried
to
ramp
up
and
professionalize
the
organization
that
we've
seen
just
tremendous
support
and
tremendous
collaboration
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
City
staff
or
city
council.
But
we
have
answered
the
call
whenever
we've
been
asked
to
be
on
a
committee
or
asked
to
to
review
something
or
ask
to
take
on
something
with
capacity
when
capacity
wasn't
there
and
we're.
O
You
know
really
happy
to
to
be
there
and
to
be
that
kind
of
net
or
to
be
that
that
group,
because
you
know
when
you
see
a
small
community
and
the
truth,
is
we're
the
only
ones
that
are
doing
this
work
and
we're
really
grateful
for
that
opportunity.
We're
really
passionate
about
it
and
you
know
we
want
to
continue
that.
O
So
we
have
you
know
everything
from
the
farmer's
market
to
Winooski
Wednesdays
to
the
very
first
Winooski
Pride,
which
we're
really
you
know
so
thrilled
about
to
talking
about.
You
know:
business
support
attraction,
retention,
talking
about
Place
making
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
different
areas
that
we're
working
on
in
conjunction
with
the
city
and
also
working
on
on
our
own,
but
making
sure
that
we're
aligning
with
the
city,
and
so
those
all
of
those
details
are
in
the
report.
O
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
that
like
I,
said
I
think
that
if
any
other
details
are
needed,
I'm
happy
to
provide
them,
and
certainly
if
this
is
the
first
time
we've
done
a
report.
So
if
there's
other
information,
that's
needed,
I'm,
not
the
only
person
that
can
answer
the
next
executive
director
is
not
the
only
person
who
can
answer.
We
do
have
to
talk
to
the
board
of
directors,
but
any
information
or
any
any
tweaks
that
that
need
to
be
made.
O
F
O
O
O
O
Yes,
that's
100
participation
and
we
actually
had
some.
We
have
someone
who's,
not
that
wasn't
actually
a
designated
downtown
at
the
time
of
its
Inception,
but
they
knew
that
they
were
going
down
that
path.
Actually,
with
the
help
of
previous
staff
member
here,
Heather
Carrington,
the
city
of
Hartford,
is
actually
joining
the
designated
downtown,
so
they
actually
joined
the
Coalition,
knowing
that
they
were
coming
into
the
pipeline,
it's
a
downtown
when
they
were
or
I
think
a
Village
Center
at
that
point.
Q
O
Oh
well,
that
would
have
been
a
mistake
and
it's
definitely
happening.
We
are
looking
at
a
much
smaller
event
this
year,
since
we
don't
have
any
City
or
other
funding
via
City
staff.
We
had
funding
for
the
last
two
years
because
of
the
equity
director
and
this
year
we
don't
have
that
so
I
did
not
mean
to
not
include
that
it
could
be
like
hidden
on
the
document.
I
know,
I
wrote
the
report
on
it,
but
I
will
get
that
to
you
for
sure.
We
will
have
information
about
June
themes
on
there.
Q
A
R
A
O
Fabulous
yeah
yeah.
We
were
very
lucky
to
have
sort
of
the
heads
up
from
the
previous
Community
Economic
Development
officer,
to
talk
about
like
here's.
How
I
did
it
and
I'm
like?
Oh
here's?
How
I
do
it,
because
we
actually
were
already
doing
some
of
that
work,
attraction
attention,
sharing
resources,
holding
people's
hands
through
things
receiving
being
the
first
point
of
contact.
If
someone's
looking
to
move
into
Winooski
those
kinds
of
things,
we
were
already
sort
of
sharing
that
that
work.
O
A
And
then
the
second
thing
I
wanted
to
float
for
Council
is
I,
know,
I
didn't
get
to
look
at
this
stuff
yet
today,
and
we
I
think
only
have
one
more
meeting
before
we
would
have
to
give
30
days
notice
of
changes
so
I'm
interested
in
having
the
mou
on
the
next
meeting.
Okay,
in
case,
we
learned
something
out
of
the
reporting
and
we
want
to
make
any
adjustments.
E
N
O
O
C
O
O
F
O
Yeah,
so
the
for
I
assume
you
were
talking
about
the
four
quarters:
oh
yes
yeah.
So
four
quarters
was
working
with
one
of
the
Winooski
Farmers
Market
vendors
who
lives
in
Winooski
and
just
said:
hey
can
we
operate,
you
know
and
they
were
like
yeah
come
on
in
and
then
it's
just
growing
over
the
years
we
didn't
have
capacity
to
run
or
location
to
run
a
Winter
Market.
O
O
What
they
know:
they're
they're
ending
there's
a
few
weeks
before
ours
starts,
and
so
it's
actually
like
a
really
great
cohesive
relationship,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
we've
shared
a
lot
we've
paid
for
some
of
their
music
we've
shared
our
vendor
information
and
that
kind
of
thing
it's
kind
of
an
interesting
group.
They
you
know
they
can't
operate
the
same
way,
a
farmer's
market.
Does
they
can't
operate
with
nofa
support,
operating
crop
cache
and
things
like
that
I
mean?
Maybe
they
will
in
the
future?
F
O
O
Oh
I'm
gonna
embarrass
her
a
little
bit
that
in
the
first
week
of
working
together,
she's
already
just
brought
so
many
things
to
the
table
had
so
many
Amazing
Ideas
has
done
some
incredible
work
already
made
in
Rose
with
some
grants
and
made
inroads
with
some
other
some
other
items
that
have
been
kind
of
on
the
list
in
our
minds
for
a
long
time.
So
we're
very,
very
grateful
so
I'd
love
to
invite
Melissa
Corbin
up
to
sit
with
me
and
she
can
introduce
herself.
O
Are
red
so
Melissa
Corbin
comes
to
us
from
the
Vermont
Brewers
Association.
She
was
their
executive
director
for
eight
years
and
before
that
she
was
in
well.
She
was
in
Winooski,
and
so
she
has
direct
ties
to
when
you
ski
she's
worked
with
a
lot
of
different
groups
here
and
we're
just
so
grateful
to
have
her.
So
if
you
want
to
do
a
little
introduction,
I
think
that
would
be
awesome
time.
Thanks.
V
P
Everything
that's
coming
out
of
her
brain
there's
been
a
lot
of
downloading,
and
the
amount
of
knowledge
and
programming
that's
been
happening
is
really
exciting
and
I'm
really
I'm
thrilled
to
be
a
part
of
it.
So
thank
you
for
having
me
and
I
look
forward
to
getting
to
know
all
of
you
and
working
with
you
to
to
advance
the
organization
built
on
the
platform.
C
P
Having
I've
lived
here
for
a
few
years
and
worked
here
for
five,
my
pretty
tight
relationship
with
Ray,
we
we
built
quite
a
lot
of
wonderful
programming
together
over
those
years,
and
so,
although
I've
been
away
for
eight
years,
I
do
I
feel,
like
I,
understand
the
the
heart
of
this
community
and
it's
a
big
reason.
Why
I.
P
O
Will
have
an
official
press
release
that
goes
out,
so
you
can
learn
more
about
her
background
and
all
the
nice
things
we're
going
to
say
about
her,
but
we're
super
excited
to
get
started
so
I
am
stepping
down
I'm
officially
stepped
down,
but
I
am
not
leaving
Melissa
in
the
Lurch.
We're
going
to
be
doing
a
lot
of
collaboration,
a
lot
of
support,
moving
forward
and
I'm
excited
to
kind
of
help
in
any
way
that
I
can
as
a
volunteer
and
I'm
excited
to
attend.
C
O
P
W
F
P
F
C
F
O
A
A
You
created
new
Connections
in
our
community,
strengthened
existing
ones,
certainly
expanded
the
scope
and
how
many
businesses
are
engaged,
You've,
Been,
instrumental
to
Growing
community
events
from
expanding.
When
you
see
Wednesdays
the
Juneteenth
celebration,
your
your
role,
supporting
our
one
once
in
a
lifetime,
centennial
celebration,
you
bring
new
faces
to
the
events
and
have
benefited
new
community
groups
and
businesses,
as
was
discussed
earlier,
like
it's
more
than
just
a
business
focus.
A
So
you've
set
a
really
strong
Foundation
for
the
new
executive
director
for
Melissa
to
build
on
and
expand
on
your
success.
We're
just
really
thankful
for
all
your
work.
We're
gonna
miss
your
unique
energy
and
everything
that
you
brought
to
this
role
and
and
really
wish
you
all
the
best
in
your
next
chapter
outside
of
our
borders.
Yeah.
C
O
O
O
Z
I
will
attempt
to
make
this
as
free
as
I
can
thank
you
for
the
council,
for
so
we
are
seeking
to
update
our
current
policy
outline
in
the
manual
regarding
our
health
and
wellness
benefit
during
pandemic.
There
was
a
request
to
broaden
our
interpretation
of
health
and
whole
body
Wellness,
as
many
of
the
gyms
and
health
clubs
have
closed
down.
So
the
president
for
this
has
been
set
by
the
fop
contract,
which
is
approved
by
Council
in
June.
Z
The
current
excuse.
The
current
policy,
as
it
reads,
is
that
employees
holding
regular
full-time
position
shows
eligiversity
reimbursement
for
80
of
the
health
club
membership
subsidy
not
to
exceed
600
for
an
individual
family.
Member
and
the
city
shall
provides
payroll
deduction
for
membership
dues
less
the
subsidy,
and
this
benefit
shall
occur
on
a
rolling
here
from
the
date
and
the
employee
enrolls.
What
we
want
to
move
it
to
is
the
employees,
the
same
same
numbers
same
knowledgeability
and
police
holding
regular
full-time
positions.
Z
Eighty
percent
not
26
600
of
cost
related
to
health
and
wellness
incurred
by
the
employee,
including,
but
not
limited,
to
gym,
memberships,
Stress,
Management
and
sleep
applications
and
fitness
equipment.
The
subsidy
will
be
at
the
discretion
of
the
city
manager
at
the
Human
Resources
Director,
and
the
city
again
shall
provide
payroll
deduction
for
requests
paid
by
the
city
unless
the
subsidy,
this
benefit
shall
occur
on
a
rolling
Year
from
the
date,
the
employee,
enrolls
and
that's
where
our
finance
director
Angela,
the
likely
impact,
will
be
negligible
financially.
Z
Z
D
D
N
K
See
manager
mayor
council
members,
my
name
is
James
shortcallis
I'm
Lieutenant
with
the
Winooski
police
department,
and
hopefully
it
won't
be
too
long.
I
know
it's
been
a
long
day
for
everyone.
Sims
can
go
over
a
brief
overview
of
our
operational.
What
we
do
operationally
speaking
actually
Paul.
You
can
probably
go
to
the
next
slide.
It's
a
little
bigger,
a
little
shower
staff
and
how
we
lay
it
out.
Thank
you.
K
So
we
have
15
full-time
police
officers.
We
have
four
full-time
dispatchers.
As
you
can
see,
we
have
achieved
two
lieutenants.
We
have
three
sergeants.
Currently
we
have
one
open
Sergeant
position,
however,
we're
in
the
works
of
starting
a
sergeant
process.
Hopefully,
next
few
months
we
have
a
full
first
line
supervisory
staff.
As
far
as
the
sergeants
go,
we
have
one
in-house
detective
and
the
one
thing
that
I
do
want
to
point
out
on
this
slide
that
I'd
be
remiss.
K
If
we
didn't
include
SRO,
we
still
have
an
SRO
at
the
school
and
he
just
does
phenomenal
work
and
we
have
a
couple
of
part-time
dispatchers,
but
really
it's
you
know
the
three
dispatchers
and
the
supervisor
that
holds
down
the
the
fort
for
us
next
slide.
Please
what
sorry
SRO
stands
for
a
school
resource
officer
no
going
to
have
more
later.
K
A
plethora
of
Services
we
operate
with
a
two
officer
minimum,
so
at
all
times
in
the
sea
you
have
at
least
two
officers.
That's
how
we
staff
ourselves.
We
work
three
shifts
a
day,
so
we
have
a
day
shift,
which
is
seven
until
5
p.m.
We
have
a
3
P.M
till
1
in
the
morning,
and
then
we
have
a
9
pm
to
zero,
seven,
so
seven
o'clock
in
the
morning-
and
we
do
typically
four
10
hour-
shifts
a
week
and
the
chief
and
with
the
21st
century,
policing
model.
K
We
really
wanted
to
focus
on
officer
wellness
and
having
that
third
day
off,
does
pay
dividends
in
the
long
run.
So
you
lose
a
little
coverage,
but
we
think
it
benefits
what
we
do
as
far
as
a
long-term
and
retention
to
have
that
extra
day
off.
It
does
make
a
big
difference,
especially
when
you're
working
a
midnight
shift
and
your
first
day
off
you're
leaving
at
seven
o'clock
in
the
morning.
K
It
doesn't
really
feel
like
a
day
off
so
having
that
third
day
at
least
gives
people
like
a
solid
two
days,
especially
when
they're
working
overnights
to
to
feel
more
restful
and
provide
better
service.
You
know,
in
addition
to
like
what
I
think
our
traditional
Police
Services,
we
are
kind
of
like
a
front-line
liaison.
K
It
doesn't
take
long
for
us,
but
two
officers
running
in
the
city
to
get
overwhelmed.
So
if
we're
at
an
overdose
and
it's
requiring
two
officers
and
the
phone
rings
and
it's
a
domestic
disturbance,
we
really
value
our
partners
such
as
Colchester
coming.
So
they
can
deal
with
that
incident
real
time
and
provide
residents
the
the
services
that
they
they
need
and
require
what
they
pay
for,
and
that
works
both
ways.
You
know
we're
constantly
helping
out
Colchester
when
they're
they're
tied
up
on
a
major
incident.
K
The
next
bullet
point
just
want
to
talk
about.
You
know
pre-pandemic.
This
was
a
big
Focus
for
our
agency,
obviously
with
Kobe
it's
slowed
down,
but
the
21st
century
policing
model
really
emphasizes
the
community
outreach
and
the
community
policing
and
Chief
Heber
implemented
many
programs
that
were
starting
to
pick
up
again
can
I
start
in
the
summer.
So
you'll
start
seeing
us
with
the
coffee
with
the
cop
we'll
have
the
block
parties
which
we
did
a
couple
over
the
summer.
K
K
So
hopefully,
we'll
you'll
see
more
of
that
as
as
we
continue
on
with
the
year
and
then
this
last
little
statement,
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
whole
thing,
but
really
it's
kind
of
just
says
what
we
do:
I've
kind
of
mentioned,
the
21st
century
policing
model
I
brought
up
during
our
budget
presentation
in
January,
but
I'll
just
give
a
little
background.
In
2015.
K
We
traditionally
help
around
8
000
calls
for
a
service.
It
was
a
little
slower
than
pandemic,
but
I
think
this
year
will
probably
be
closer
to
nine
thousand.
So
we
are
a
busy
agency
community
outreach
which
I'll
talk
about
more
as
in
the
coming
up
slides,
but
they
had
220
contacts
and
they're
they're
busy
and
very
important
part
of
what
we
do
next
slide.
Please
Paul.
K
K
I
can't
stress
enough
how
I
don't
know
if
we're
more
in
tune
to
or
documented
better
or
if
it's
just
there's
just
more
of
it,
but
I
feel
in
my
17
years
in
Winooski,
it's
it's
daily
and,
as
you
can
see,
407
mental
health
related
incidents
that
we
actually
track.
So
that's
more
than
one
a
day
that
we
are
responding
to
it's
it's
a
pretty
heavy
lift
on
on
everyone.
K
K
So
just
kind
of
giving
you
like
updates
since
the
budget
presentation
of
what
we've
kind
of
focused
on
and
what
we
can
continue
to
focus
on
for
the
fiscal
year.
23.
I
don't
get
too
much
into
the
first
bullet
point.
That's
that's
a
very
much
influx
I
think
discussion
that
is
above
my
pay
grade
for
sure.
Just
realize
that
I
think
it's
still
being
discussed.
There's
been
nothing
concrete
as
far
as
where
that's
going
to
land
I
can.
K
But
I
would
like
to
tell
you
that
we
have
an
exceptional
team
downstairs
and
it's
very
professional
and
the
services
is
a
plus,
so
everyone
in
this
city
is
in
good
hands
with
who
we
have
downstairs.
Currently
a
big
thing
going
forward
is
going
to
be
retention
for
us
and,
like
I,
said
it's
not
just
a
Winooski
problem.
It's
a
national
and
Statewide
problem
and
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have.
You
know
we're
building
the
tools.
We've
increased
our
training
budget.
K
We
want
to
make
sure
that
who
we
have
downstairs
is
happy
and
continues
to
function
at
a
high
level,
and
so
we've
increased
the
training
budget.
We've
doubled,
it
I
believe
it's
up
to
15
000
now
and
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
keeping
who
we
have
and
keeping
a
high
level
of
service
for
the
for
the
city
of
Winooski,
because,
like
I
said
with,
it
seems
like
we
have.
Obviously,
the
chief
is
probably
going
to
retire
this
year.
K
K
A
couple
years
ago
there
was
a
big
kind
of
push,
slash
discussion,
some
Community
forums
to
say
is
this
a
program
that
we
want
to
continue
to
have
as
far
as
fiscal
year
23
and
into
going
into
fiscal
24
the
school
resource
officer
as
far
as
his
or
their
assignment
is
going
to
be
unchanged
officer
zeiter
does
a
phenomenal
job
up
at
the
school.
He
is
continually.
K
Does
programs,
he
does
DARE
he's
a
dare
instructor.
He
is
actually
coaching
baseball,
I.
Think
for
the
middle
school,
which
is
which
is
just
amazing
and
so
he's
fostered
a
lot
of
relationships
as
a
representative
of
the
PD,
but
also
just
to
have
staff
and
students
feel
comfortable
coming
to
the
police
for
for
whatever
issue
it
may
be,
but
anyway,
so
he's
or
officers
are
still
going
to
be
up
at
the
school
as
far
as
this
year
in
fiscal
year
24.
But
there
will
be
more
conversations
going
forward.
K
Next
bullet
point
is
again
just
really
trying
to
emphasize
growth
with
planned,
retirements
and
future
promotions.
Chief
Hebert
was
able
to
double
the
the
train
budget,
so
we've
been
able
to
send
new
supervisors
to
Lita,
which
is
through
the
FBI.
It's
a
like
a
first
line,
an
executive
and
then
it's
a
Trilogy.
It's
it's
three
major
trainings.
K
It's
nationally
accredited
we've
sent
people
to
Roger
Williams,
which
again
is
a
very
well
respected:
training
for
first-line
supervisors
in
particular,
and
then
we've
also
had
the
opportunity
now
to
hopefully
in
the
future,
we've
been
in
the
queue
but
covet
kind
of
slow
things
down.
Life
happens,
but
to
send
some
one
or
new
multiple
people
to
the
National
Academy,
which
is
the
FBI
National
Academy,
which
is
in
Virginia
it's
a
10
week,
I
believe
in
Residence.
It's
basically
the
Apex
of
training
for
supervisors
going
forward.
K
So
hopefully
we
can
maybe
send
someone
to
that
soon.
The
community
outreach
team.
This
is
what
I'm
going
to
kind
of
explain
a
little
bit
more.
What
they
do
like
I
said.
Mental
health
is
a
huge
lift
for
us.
It
was
a
need
that
was
immediately
recognized
from
everyone
in
the
county,
and
so
this
team
is
embedded
with
all
of
the
municipalities
in
County,
except
for
Burlington.
K
They
have
their
Standalone,
so
they
do
have
have
access
to
a
team
as
well,
but
they
have
allowed
us
as
police
officers,
to
focus
more
on
criminal
complaints
and
also
offer
higher
levels
of
Mental
Health
Services,
because
they're
professionals
and
deal
with
that
all
the
time
and
they
work
Monday
through
Friday.
It's
8,
30
till
8
P.M.
So
almost
12
hours
of
mental
health
coverage
and
I
believe
the
cost
is
only
about
sixteen
thousand
dollars
a
year
so
to
essentially
have
one
to
one
and
a
half
full-time
social
workers
out
in
the
field.
K
K
We
just
said:
okay,
what
worked
covert,
obviously
slowed
some
things
down
what
needed
to
be
changed.
We
made
those
changes
and
then
kind
of
just
looking
forward
to
stuff
that
okay,
we
still
need
to
implement,
but
I
haven't
accomplished
yet
so
there's
like
three
tiers
to
it,
but
that
was
something
that
myself
Lieutenant
heisenga
other
community
members,
Ray
Coffey
was
part
of
that
project.
Try
to
get
as
many
stakeholders
involved
as
possible,
not
just
us,
so
we
had
multiple
sets
of
eyes.
Looking
at
it
to
to
say:
hey.
K
K
K
So
if
anyone
who
is
getting
charged
with
a
a
small
crime
that
the
court
system
feels,
this
person
doesn't
maybe
need
like
a
permanent
record
of
this
crime,
those
individuals
in
Winooski
are
still
able
to
access
a
rep
board
or
Community
Justice
Center,
just
through
Burlington
and
Essex.
So
we're
still
utilizing
that
that's
still
a
big
part
of
the
judicial
system,
getting
those
individuals
who
are
identified
as
good
candidates
to
the
the
alternative,
Justice
measures
next
slide.
Please.
K
K
As
far
as
an
officer
actually,
three
with
dispatch,
so
I
always
need
three
people
there
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week,
so
we
really
have
to
make
sure
that
we
are
doing
everything
we
can
to
keep
employees
engaged,
feel
valued
and
make
sure
that
that
is
then
translated
into
the
service
that
we're
providing
them
on
on
the
streets.
So
you
know,
certainly
getting
the
training
budget
up
is
is
a
big
help
and
we've
talked
about
other
ways
to
engage
the
offices.
K
K
You
know
we
do
have
a
person
who's
part-time
working
for
HSI,
which
provides
professional
growth
and
allows
us
to
access
the
federal
system
for
utilize
them
for
either
tools
that
they
have,
that
we
can't
afford
or
to
even
use
their
judicial
system,
which
sometimes
is
more
appropriate
for
more
significant
crimes.
So
it's
it's
been
a
good
partnership.
Again.
I've
talked
about
the
community
outreach
team.
Continue
that
yeah
go
ahead.
K
Yeah
I
I
was
gonna,
go
toward
it
at
the
end,
but
just
to
kind
of
talk
about
the
shortages
and
just
how
important
is
to
I'll
skip
forward.
So
when
and
then
just
just
you
can
kind
of
attest
to
this.
It's
really
important
to
keep
who
we
have
the
continuity,
because
it
takes
so
long
to
obtain
or
identify
a
viable
candidate.
K
So
if
you
miss
that
date
to
start
them,
you're
waiting
extra,
four
or
five
months
on
top
of
that,
the
academy
itself
is
16
weeks,
plus,
probably
two
and
a
half
weeks
of
post
Basics,
so
you're
looking
at
close
to
five
months
and
then
assuming
they
get
that
individual
gets
through
all
that
we
have
a
10-week
FDO
process.
So
it's
a
field
training,
so
you
got
10
more
weeks.
They
pass
field
training.
K
N
T
K
Z
K
So
those
are
going
to
be
discussions
that
are
had
this
this
coming
fiscal
year
and
then
the
managing
the
Staffing
shortages,
which
we
kind
of
already
highlighted
I,
feel
that
this
is
probably
the
most
important
thing
to
focus
on
going
forward
is
how
can
we
identify
viable
candidates
because
it
seems
like
we
can't
keep
up
with
the
Exodus?
That's
that's
approaching
us
through
retirements
I,
think
right
now
we
have
one
or
two
openings,
Jesse
and
I.
It
feels
like
weekly.
K
K
I,
just
think
we
have
to
hit
different
platforms,
be
more
creative
I
know
that
there
have
been
discussions,
I'm
not
trying
to
speak
out
a
place,
but
of
you
know,
maybe
offering
like
bonuses.
That
seems
to
be
a
commonplace
now,
especially
if
you're
a
a
pre-cert,
which
means
that
someone
who
wouldn't
have
to
go
to
the
academy
who
could
just
come
in
do
a
few
weeks,
fto
and
Abridged
and
automatically
be
a
serviceable
officer,
but
this
is
something
that
going
forward
and
again
this
is
not
just
a
Winooski
problem.
K
D
I'll
start
sure,
first
I
think
you
sold
yourself
a
little
short
when
you
said
20
miles
away.
I
think
you
can
be
a
lot
closer
and
you
guys
are
outperforming
those
police
forces.
Your
adoption
of
the
21st
century
policing
model
is
not
something
that
was
ex
adopted,
Nationwide
or
even
vermont-wide.
So
the
fact
that
this
department
has
gone
so
wholeheartedly
into
that
is
commendable.
D
K
It's
it
so
it's
probably
a
little
bit
of
both.
So
when
we
go
into
valko,
which
is
our
our
database,
for,
it's
might
say,
suicide
attempt,
but
we
might
also
check
that
mental
health
box.
So
maybe
it's
duplicating
its
efforts
as
far
as
that.
But
yes,
it
is
high
and
it
it
is
why
it's
so
important
for
us
to
identify
people
in
crisis
and
to
get
those
services
to
them
as
quickly
as
possible.
K
D
K
He
or
SRO
to
my
knowledge
is
supposed
to
be
in
a
softer
uniform,
which
means
no
external
carrier
yeah
and
when
I
I
believe
that
is
the
uniform
that
that
individuals
in
most
of
the
time,
okay,
I
I,
can
only
say
or
speculate
that
this
individual
if
they
are
going
up
in
what
we
wear
in
Patrol,
which
is
an
exterior
carrier.
A
more
tactical
look
is
maybe
because
that
individual
is
covering
shifts
as
well
kind
of
working
a
dual
purpose.
K
K
So
at
this
point,
we're
still
trying
to
work
through
that
the
individual
who
has
interest
we're
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
it's
going
to
be
the
right
fit
for
everyone
life
happens.
We've
had
changes
to
make
sure
it's
gonna
be
a
stable.
That
is
a
huge
commitment.
It's
not
just
like
a
one
or
two
year
come
in
that's
like
a
seven
eight
year,
commitment
and
you're
that
you're
locked
into
that.
K
So
as
far
as
the
K-9
goes
kind
of
just
on
pause
right
now,
again,
I
want
to
over
set
my
boundaries,
but
on
pause
and
then
we're
still
looking
at
the
therapy
dog
as
well,
and
the
chief
has
put
out
some
some
policies
to
to
work
through
that
as
well.
So
there
is
movement
on
those.
Just
at
this
point,
like
I
said
it's
just
kind
of
on
hold
the
canine
until
we
just
make
sure
that
everything
is
in
order.
K
That's
a
big
commitment
not
only
with
training,
and
you
know,
equipment,
but
just
the
person
in
their
second
or
third
year
in
their
career
to
say,
hey.
You
know
the
next
10
years,
you're
going
to
be
with
us
with
this
dog
and
that's
gonna,
maybe
hamper
other
things
and
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
on
the
same
page
before
we
we
fully
commit
so
yeah.
D
K
C
C
K
Something
yeah,
absolutely
and
I
do
hope.
I'm
hopeful
that
we
get
to
a
point
where
we
are
staffed,
more
comfortable
to
be
able
to
actually
think
bigger
picture.
It
is
about
being
proactive
and
staying
ahead
and
I
feel
like
sometimes
we
get.
Unfortunately,
we
have
to
be
more
reactive
just
because
of
the
limitations
of
Staffing.
So
but
yes,
absolutely
I
think
these
are
all
dreams
we
have
to
of
moving
forward.
K
D
R
R
Being
here,
yeah
I
would
just
start
with
this
first
slide
of
I'm,
reminding
everyone
that
you
know
our
department.
Unlike
the
traditional
fire
departments
or
Emergency
Services,
where
it's
Fire
EMS
based,
we
are
Community
risk
reduction,
Fire
based,
it's
very
different,
very
unique,
remind
folks
of
the
5es.
R
You
know
the
enforcement
engineering,
education,
emergency
response
and
economic
incentives
through
the
community
risk
reduction
efforts
that
you
all
and
this
community
benefits
greatly
from,
and
that's
our
public
building
registry,
and
just
you
know
you
hear
me,
say
a
lot
of
getting
ahead
of
the
call
and
we'd
much
rather
do
that
next
slide,
Paul,
obviously
I'm
picking
up
on
the
same
org
chart
we're
in
the
firing
code.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
R
C
C
R
Bite
calls
I,
think
I'll
continue
to
take
those
but
Emergency
Management
coordinator,
the
city
manager,
is
the
director
I.
Am
the
coordinator
we're
going
to
touch
on
that
on
another
item
here
by
default,
the
e91
coordinator,
you
know
every
town
every
city
has
to
have
a
e91
coordinator
again,
if
we're
not
doing
a
staff,
Council
would
need
to
do
that,
and
I
certainly
need
to
recognize
staff
for
pulling
most
of
that
load.
R
Pretty
important
here
in
Winooski,
with
a
new
development
that
sort
of
thing
it
becomes
a
big
deal
of
power
numbering
or
addressing
properties.
Administrative
function
functions.
You
know,
there's
too
many
to
list.
We
do
monthly
officers
meetings,
there's
weekly
Department
drills,
which
admittingly
I
don't
make
all
of
those.
They
are
the
second
third
and
fourth
Wednesday
and
there's
just
not
enough
time
to
go
around
City
Council
meetings,
which
are
super
important
for
I,
feel
for
department
heads
to
attend
again.
R
I
think
the
commitment
there
is
is
serves
a
lot
of
value
for
you,
folks,
during
your
meetings
and
or
us
to
be
here,
for
the
public
self-healthy
connected
people,
obviously,
and
then
the
Housing
Commission
emergency
response.
The
chief
is
part
of
the
emergency
response
here
during
the
day,
but
more
so
you
know
callback,
so
we
do
get
called
back
if
there's
a
first
alarm
as
I
spoke
about
earlier
or
greater
or
we're
committed
in
another
Community,
one
of
the
Chiefs
respond
back
into
the
city.
It's
just
we're
supporting
those
under
us.
R
You
know
in
the
future,
I'm
not
sure
every
Chief
is
going
to
be
in
the
city
by
6am.
So
you
know,
I
was
in
the
city
of
5
30
this
morning.
It's
now
509,
so
not
complaining
to
saying
moving
forward
is
something
that
we
need
to
realize
the
workload
there
is
some
weekend
holiday
coverage.
You
know
where
three
people
trying
to
cover
five
days
a
week
6A
to
6B,
you
know
Bruce,
is
on
vacation.
Much
diver
deserved
vacation
coming
up
for
a
week
and
a
half.
R
You
know
we
will
be
short
coverage.
This
Friday
I'm
the
only
scheduled
person
to
be
in
the
city
6A
to
six
feet
unless
there's
someone
else
available
and
then
we're
relying
on
our
partners
around
us.
So
we
are
thin
for
sure
and
then
the
chief
on
call
Sunday
through
Friday,
again
6
p.m,
to
6
a.m.
The
dispatchers
need
someone
to
call.
We
don't
drive
that
to
our
part-time
folks,
I'm
one
of
the
Chiefs,
take
it
on
a
rotation
basis.
So
there's
three
of
us
that
take
that
it's
just
not
a
count
of
time.
R
R
R
I
mean
I,
don't
record
all
the
time.
What
I
would
say
is
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
models
to
follow
the
model
Works.
You
know
how
sustainable
it
is
moving
forward.
You
know
the
national
Trends,
you
heard
it
on
the
PD
side.
Recruitment
retention
is
huge.
There's
not
a
lot
of
folks
trying
to
do
this
type
of
work,
certainly
on
a
part-time
basis.
R
You
know
a
part-time
firefighter
that
comes
on
with
no
experience,
we're
paying
13
11
minimum
wage
and
I
heard
we're
paying
a
Parks
person
15
bucks
an
hour
I
only
say
that,
because
some
of
the
applicants
have
told
us
there's
a
discrepancy.
You
know
if
you
pay
a
dispatcher
20
an
hour
on
a
part-time
basis
and
somebody's
getting
paid
13-11
an
hour
to
ride
a
fire
truck
and
go
into
burning
buildings.
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There's
an
incentive
incentivized
pay
plan
that
if
they
go
get
certifications,
we'll
pay
them
more
an
hour,
but
we
we're
not
even
in
a
position
where
we're
paying
them
to
go,
get
all
those
certifications.
We
have
come
a
long
way,
so
I'm
not
saying
saying
we
haven't,
we
have
come
a
long,
long
ways,
but
there's
a
long
ways
to
go
and
as
part
of
our
Recruitment
and
Retention
problem,
so
again,
I
put
it
out
there
I
refer
to
a
model.
You
know
the
the
red
ribbon
report,
the
international
fire
chiefs
puts
it
out.
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R
No,
today,
I
didn't
touch
anything
strategically.
You
know
worked
on
the
training
plan
for
the
fire
department
so
that
we
could
keep
our
11
12.
You
know
people
trained,
so
there's
a
creep
Factor
right,
I
mean
there's
a
this.
It's
that
constant
piece
of
again,
not
unlike
the
police
department.
You
know
the
the
police
Chiefs
out
doing
Patrol.
Is
he
doing
strategic
planning
or
thinking
big
picture?
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R
I
know
it's
getting
late,
so
that's
Paul,
let's
go
to
the
next
one,
so
the
fire
chiefs
exempt
again
we're
going
to
the
Fire
Marshals
position.
This
is
Bruce
for
tonight.
Again
another
exempt
position.
He
is
the
Deputy
Health
officer,
one
of
two
serves
on
the
battalion
chief
level.
So
that's
just
the
command
level.
His
main
focus
is
community
risk
reduction.
That's
the
administrative
functions
of
the
public
building
registry,
our
property
complaints
or
commercial
inspections.
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R
Him
complain
I'm,
just
calling
that
out
again
as
workload
and
the
reality
of
what's
here
in
Winooski,
and
he
has
averaged
90
hours
per
pay
period
on
the
assistant,
Fire
Marshals.
The
third
full-time
position
serves
as
Deputy
Health
officer.
Services
rank
a
captain
again,
the
community
risk
reduction
first
alarm
or
greater
back
into
the
city.
I
know
that
number's
12
to
20..
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R
R
Our
part-time
battalion
chief,
you
know,
has
a
full-time
job
elsewhere
again
as
our
main
response,
6
p.m,
to
6A
and
weekends
as
available.
This
is
not
scheduled.
I
don't
know
that
he's
available.
All
these
times
covers
a
ton
of
those
calls,
but
there's
certainly
times
we
don't
have
access
to
that
same
as
a
part-time
officers,
which
is
a
captain
and
two
lieutenants
again.
The
main
hours
are
6p
to
6A.
We
rely
on
these
part-time
folks.
They
lead
a
company
of
four
or
five
part-time
firefighters,
everyone's
broken
the
companies
just
so
we
can
manage
them.
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R
What's
unique
about
the
part-time
officers
and
the
part-time
firefighters
is
Duty
weekends,
which
is
they
do
a
weekend
full
weekend
Saturday
and
a
Sunday
which
is
36
hours
of
coverage
for
the
officer
they
get
120
dollars,
plus
their
call,
so
they
have
to
be
available
they're,
not
at
the
firehouse,
but
they
have
to
be
available.
So
if
you
do
that,
math
that's
about
three
dollars
and
thirty
cents
an
hour
I
will
again
we've
come
a
long
ways.
It
used
to
be
twenty
dollars
for
that
same
period
period
of
time.
R
So
you
all
have
supported
us
and
we
we've
come
a
long
ways.
The
duty
weekend
split
goes,
you
know
for
the
Saturday
it's
24
hours
and
just
again,
we've
we've
been
unable
to
cover
a
the
fourth
weekend
of
the
month.
We
used
to
have
four
companies,
but
we
got
down
to
like
two
people,
so
we've
had
to
go
into
three
companies
and
then
do
a
split,
so
they
do
a
full
Duty
weekend
of
Saturday
Sunday
and
then
they
have
to
do
a
Saturday
or
Sunday.
Additionally,.
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The
last
part
of
that
bullet
is
the
duty
weekend
Saturday
hours,
and
we
heard
from
a
lot
of
our
part-time
staff.
They
wanted
to
be
more
engaged,
which
was
very
encouraging.
They
want
more,
they
want
to,
they
want
to
represent
Winooski
more.
They
want
to
be
here
so
we're
doing.
We
just
started
this
three
to
four
hours,
each
Saturday,
so
they
get
their
Duty
weekend,
but
then
they
have
to
be
at
the
firehouse
say
8
to
11
on
Saturday
morning
as
a
company.
So
they
do
a
truck
check.
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R
We
just
started
it
right,
we're
three
Saturdays
in
and
I
shared
with
Jesse,
who
I
believe
is
left
and
maybe
Elaine,
but
fire
trucks
going
through
one
of
our
neighborhoods
moms
moms
out
in
the
yard,
with
their
little
three-year-old
and
the
kid
just
absolutely
rejoices
in
seeing
the
fire
truck
and
she
had
it
on
video,
so
I
shared
it
with
staff
and
Jesse
and
so
again,
I
hope.
Those
are
the
things
that
we
that
they
experience,
meaning
our
staff
and
our
residents
get
to
experience.
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R
Our
code
enforcement
officer
is
mainly
parking
enforcement,
limited
Municipal,
Code
Enforcement
takes
care
of
the
general
maintenance
of
the
parking
equipment.
So
you
know
the
kiosks
are
pieces
of
equipment.
They
don't
go
forever,
I'm
a
very
reliable
and
we
do
the
winter
maintenance
on
the
kiosks.
I
mentioned
that
again,
no
one's
complaining
right.
He
you
know
our
current
officer
Works
a
Monday,
Tuesday
Wednesday
and
then
the
next
week,
Works
Thursday
Friday
Saturday.
R
So
it
it's
supposed
to
be
two
officers
so
they're
supposed
to
not
the
same
person
the
same
day
of
the
week
but
through
the
winter.
Obviously,
if
they
weren't
here,
one
of
those
three
days,
I
actually
traveled
in
the
shovel,
the
kiosks,
you
know
we
don't
want
someone
to
fall.
That
sort
of
thing.
So
again
we're
sharing.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
creep
Factor
our
Public
Safety
admin
who
holds
us
all
together,
does
a
ton
of
different
things.
C
R
Many
many
different
things
a
day
on
the
public
building
registry:
all
the
notices,
scheduling
billing
data
entry,
the
parking,
the
appeals,
parking
permits,
contracts,
again,
data
entry
building
permits
and
the
intake
of
data
entry
issuance
Public
Works
permits
and
supports
zoning
permits.
So
again,
staff
do
a
lot.
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R
This
is
a
reporting
issue
that,
with
our
software,
that
I
need
to
track
down,
there
will
be
a
significant
difference
between
the
251
and
8,
because
we
were
at
the
school
two
or
three
times
a
week
for
that
whole
year
and
we're
no
longer
there
time
of
sale
inspections
are
down.
We
would
expect
to
see
that
right
with
the
interest
rates,
that
sort
of
thing
that
is
a
pretty
good
reflection
of
you
know.
We
feel
the
impacts
of
what
goes
on
around
us.
Property
complaints
are
down
a
little
bit.
I
suspect
we
will
catch
up.
E
A
M
R
Know,
remember:
we
have
the
city
broken
to
four
quadrants.
We
travel
around
the
city,
so
it
may
be
a
reflection
of
that.
You
know
Bruce.
We
have
a
new
person
doing
inspections.
So
when
you
go
from
someone,
that's
been
here,
20
years
doing
the
same
inspections
and
you
introduce
new
people,
you
will
see
you
know
a
different
view
on
things
which
isn't
a
bad
thing
and
remember
we're
just
coming
off
covered.
R
R
I
won't
go
word
for
word
through
those
you
know,
and
the
bottom
part
I
just
want
to
again.
You
know
our
daytime
staff
is
covering
about
194
of
those
calls.
You
know.
That's
three
people
across
five
days,
12
hours
a
day,
you're
trying
to
keep
a
minimum
of
two
people
here,
we're
not
we're
not
hitting
that
meaning.
You
know
there's
periods
of
time
like
I'm
here
by
myself
in
the
morning
until
Bruce
gets
in.
R
R
You
know
we'd
rely
on
them
when
they're
available
we're
covering
a
huge
percent
of
the
calls
still
here
in
Winooski,
which
is
good
kudos
to
them
and
our
duty
weekend
coverage,
although
they're
not
at
the
station.
That
is
scheduled
time.
I
know
people
are
available
during
that
said
week
weekend,
Duty
time,
because
they're
signed
up
and
they're
on
the
schedule.
I
know
that
they're
covering
88,
you
know
88
of
those
calls,
and
then
we
always
want
to
watch.
R
R
R
You
know
it's
a
future
piece
that
winooski's
got
to
deal
with
it's
a
recruitment
retention.
You
know
our
ability
to
to
cover
shifts
here
is
limited.
We
can't
have
people
sleep
in
the
firehouse,
so
we're
really
looking
for
people
that
are
within
not
even
a
distance
within
a
time
frame
of
getting
to
the
Firehouse
right.
If
we
say
five
miles
that
puts
us
over
on
the
shower
road,
so
you
can
imagine
during
if.
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R
R
C
R
E
R
R
Just
tracking
our
our
the
replacement,
the
approved
in
the
truck,
that's
ordered.
There's
some.
You
know
financing
timelines
to
happen
with
the
you
know,
tracking
the
delivery,
as
far
as
the
supply
chains
are
finally
getting
caught
up
and
matching
that
up
at
the
Bond
Bank
that
sort
of
thing
the
site
visits
the
school
is
complete
into
housing.
Currently
working
with
the
Housing
Commission
we've
had
several
meetings.
The
building
chapter
has
been
done.
R
The
public
building
registry
chapters
is
drafted,
we
didn't
have
a
quorum,
so
that
meeting
is
rescheduled
and
I
believe
one
or
two
more
meetings
with
the
Housing
Commission,
then
I
will
start
to
come
to
council
for
its
review.
The
public
building
registry
is
a
little
bigger
lift
than
the
building
just
because
we
reformatted
things
and
really
tried
to
make
as
much
as
we
can
make
an
ordinance
more
user
friendly
understand
the
information.
That's
in
there
that
sort
of
thing
you
know
we're
continuing
to
work
with.
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R
R
You
know,
dealing
with
the
first
one
60,
almost
70
units
displaced
for
seven
months
and
the
second
one
being
40
units
displaced
for
six
months.
They
just
I
think
they're
doing
the
right
thing:
Housing
Association.
We
continue
to
watch
with
some
structural
issues.
I
suspect
that
we'll
be
we'll
be
hearing
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
Coming
up
as
spring
and
contractors
are
available.
Three
under
main,
we
continue
to
Monitor
and
you
know
try
to
encourage
the
the
owner
to
do
the
right
thing.
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R
R
Or
another
pinch
point
for
Winooski,
meaning
fire
and
analysts
don't
operate
on
the
same
channel.
We
don't
have
the
capacity
to
so
St
Mike's
dispatches
themselves
a
lot
of
times
the
students
dispatching
the
ambulance
into
the
city
1400
times,
but
more
so,
if
I'm
at
a
car
accident,
I
have
no
idea
what's
coming
for
ambulances,
we're
not
on
the
same
channel.
We
don't
have
that
capacity
operationally.
It's
it's
an
issue
that
again
needs
to
be
a
broader
conversation
for
when
you
ski
it's,
not
an
easy
fix.
It's
not
like.
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R
All
hazards
mitigation
plan
is
complete.
That's
available.
That's
on
the
ccrpc
site,
supplemental
coverage
for
St,
Mike's
College.
You
know
in
our
operating
budget
coming
up
there's
some
concessions
made
to
support
them.
Support
that
effort
through
purchase
a
diesel
fuel
allowing
them
access
to
diesel
fuel.
They
have
a
long-standing
contractual
obligation
with
the
town
of
Colchester
and
there's
it's
very
difficult.
It's
very
there's
a
lot
of
just
fingers
to
it.
As
far
as
how
that
all
works.
R
St
Mike's
is
a
battalion
of
Colchester,
the
town
of
Colchester
funds,
a
lot
of
their
operations,
so
obviously
Colchester
has
a
vested
interest
in
what
they're
doing
and
sometimes
that
doesn't
align
with
what
we
want
them
or
need
them
to
do
here
in
Winooski.
So
we've
continued
to
try
to
have
those
conversations
and
assure
that
that's
a
resource
to
the
residents
here,
Recruitment
and
Retention.
You
heard
it
from
PD.
R
You
know
we're
just
we're
critically
low
on
people.
We
are
onboarding
the
first
part-time
on-call
firefighter.
It's
been
eight
months
since
we've
interviewed
anybody,
and
this
is
by
Chance
the
St
Mike's
student.
That's
going
to
stay
in
the
area,
so
the
you
know.
It's
an
ongoing
you
know:
Jesse
can
attest.
That
is
just
not
a
lot
going
on
there
as
far
as
people's
availability
or
or
want
to
do
this
work,
and
it's
not
just
a
Winooski
problem.
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R
Then,
lastly,
what
are
we
going
to
do
this
didn't
change
from
our
piece?
You
know
you
know.
Obviously,
if
we're
able
to
do
the
mou
which
I'm
confident
we
will
get
there
and
there
may
be
some
other
pains
in
getting
there.
But
how
do
we
Implement
that
the
fee
structure
we've
already
started
to
have
that
conversation?
You
know
the
renovation
of
the
current
station
for
24-Hour
Staffing
we've
already
started
that
conversation
that
will
need
to
continue
on
the
replacement
of
the
truck
again.
R
We've
talked
about
the
financing
on
the
housing
side,
implement
the
changes
and
updates
to
public
billing
registry.
Get
it
through.
You
know,
Council
the
public
hearings
that
sort
of
thing
do
the
education,
which
will
just
be
the
start
of
the
education
for
both
tenants
and
property
owners
of
said
updates.
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C
R
Finalize
the
mlu
for
supplemental
coverage,
which
would
be
super
important.
That
means
with
St,
Mike's
or
others
to
help
make
sure
that
we
have
people
available
when
calls
come
in
would
love
to
get
their
strategic,
Vision
planning
for
fire
and
EMS
delivery.
You
know
I,
say
EMS
delivery
because
you
know
Winooski
continues
to
grow,
but
we
haven't
gone
to
St,
Mike's
and
say:
hey.
Are
you
able
to
grow
with
us
as
our
EMS
provider?
R
You
know
in
their
enrollment
numbers,
continue
to
decline
as
a
school,
which
means
their
fire
and
rescue
units
continue
to
see
less
kids.
We
anticipate
this
Summer
that
their
fire
unit
will
be
on
rolling
blackouts
again
because
there's
no
one
staying
for
the
summer,
so
we
rely
on
them,
but
I'll
not
only
be
dealing
with
our
part-time
folks
that
aren't
available
I'm
now
going
to
be
dealing
with
an
entity
that
we
rely
on
a
lot
in
trying
to
manage
when
they're
available
when
they're
not
matching
up
our
coverage.
Yes,
we
always
have
betang.
R
Yes,
we
always
have
Burlington,
but
it's
just
a
constant,
not
strategic.
You
know
that
big
picture
thinking
that
we
need
to
make
sure
we
continue
to
keep
our
finger
on
possibly
getting
licensed
as
a
first
response,
not
starting
an
analyst
I
want
to
be
very,
very
clear,
and
this
came
up
with
the
opiate
settlement
money.
R
You
know
it's
weekly
now
that
there's
we're
two
three
four
ambulances
deep
in
the
city
simultaneously,
so
this
effort
would
be
if
we're
in
the
firehouse
we
we
can
render
Aid,
you
know
win.
Our
primary
ambulance
is
not
available,
meaning
St,
Mike's
or
uvm's
not
available
in
South
Burlington's
coming
in
or
Burlington's
coming
in.
We
should
be
with
them.
We
can
probably
get
there
faster,
especially
when
staff
is
here.
You
know
the
City
of
Burlington
will
have
staff
in
the
firehouse.
R
They
send
an
ambulance,
they
send
a
fire
truck
into
the
city
of
Winooski.
That's
like
that's
craziness,
we're
we're
taking
a
resource,
an
extra
resource
from
another
Community
when
we
have
staff
in
the
firehouse.
This
is
not
a
big
lift
as
far
as
the
training
level.
This
is
a
very
basic
first
responder
level
that
we
can
provide
access.
We
can
be
there
with
you
know
their
automatic
defibrillator
and
cardiac
arrest.
That
sort
of
thing,
so
at
a
very
basic
level,
winooski's
grown
enough
to
be
thinking.
R
R
R
C
F
AA
R
R
You
know:
we've
certainly
participated
in
the
senior
center
events,
we're
going
to
be
there
for
a
few
hours
and
sit
with
folks
yeah,
but
again,
I
I
got
to
tell
you
there's,
there's
not
a
lot
of
bandwidths
to
do
it
right.
I
mean
it's,
it's
super
important
stuff,
but
we
only
can
ask
to
do
so
much.
It's
super
important
stuff.
But
what
do
we
prioritize
sure?
Yeah?
It's
huge
all.
C
F
G
No
in
response
to
brindle
I
think
that
there
may
be
some
value
in
exploring
some
cert
type
stuff
or
like
Police,
Explorers
or,
like
you
know,
trying
to
use
the
the
human
resources
that
we
have
in
community
to
figure
out
like
a
pipeline
towards
filling
some
of
those
gaps
for
you
guys.
So
that's
just
where
my
mind
has
been
through.
C
R
R
You
know
we
exercise
this
by
default
almost
every
day
by
virtue
of
the
emergency
levels
we
operate
at,
we
do
need
to
do
some
training
with
council
with
you
know,
even
our
leadership
team.
As
far
as
how
this
happens,
if
you
know,
if
there's
a
larger
event
and
how
we
can
draw
in
a
certain
team
to
operate
within,
you
know
a
local
emergency
management
plan
that
sort
of
thing
so
there's
always
room
to
do
more.
R
C
R
C
O
Q
N
We
had
asked
Council
whether
because
information
these
are
their
personal
phone
numbers
for
child
support,
so
we
had
asked
if
you
wanted
to
redacted
and
I
defaulted
with
you
in
case
you
missed
the
message
that
deposited
action,
because
this
is
now
on
the
public
website.
The
city
staff
have
access
to
all
of
them.
Okay,.
D
C
R
R
What
happens
is
we
provide
them
with
the
means
of
getting
said
lock
boxes,
but
it
is
a
responsibility
of
them
to
get
and
as
a
requirement
the
ordinance
for
them
to
provide
such
the
importance
of
so
I
brought
these
just
to
show
you.
This
is
our
own
parking
garage
which
we
don't
have
lock
box
for
so
that's
one
building
and
if
you
think
about
you,
know
70
to
90
of
those
trying
to
carry
those
in
the
fire
truck
or
an
animals
and
manage
those
keys.
Why
so
many
keys?
R
You
know
you
need
a
set
of
keys
for
every
floor.
So
if
we
go
to
Hakeem,
there's
six
floors
and
I'm
sending
firefighters
to
those
floors,
each
team
gets
a
key
set
of
keys,
so
we
require
the
building
owners
to
have
a
master
and
then
the
apartments
a
lot
of
times,
you're
getting
door
codes
so
for
30
years
and
we're
not
alone
for
30
years
we've
used
Supra.
This
is
a
name
brand
box
who's
been
bought
by
Kitty,
they've
kind
of
dropped
off.
We
don't
we
can't
get
parts,
we
can't
people
can't
order
boxes.
R
R
We
know
they
have
availability.
Other
communities,
Burlington,
South,
Carolina
and
Burlington
Williston
are
using
such
and
our
current
box
is
a
is
a
manual
key.
So
there's
several
of
those
keys
out.
So
you
know,
I
carry
one
Bruce
carries
one.
The
ambulance
is
carry
one.
The
fire
trucks
carry
one,
so
the
the
risk
of
losing
those
keys
and
I
will
go
no
further
than
the
risk
of
losing
those
keys
is
a
reality
and
the
only
mechanism
when
a
key
is
lost
is
he
is
a
hope.
R
No
one
knows
what
that
Keys
goes
to
or
you
re-key
all
those
boxes.
So
we
are
clearly
trying
to
leverage
technology
with
the
e-keys.
Is
it
more
expensive
to
go
this
route?
Yes,
but
they
come
with
an
apparatus
that
goes
on
in
the
fire
truck.
You
need
a
PIN
to
get
it
out,
so
I
know
which
firefighter
took
it
out
super
important
when
we're
allowing
St
Mike's
to
have
the
keys.
You
know
it's
college
kids
is
a
constant
change,
whether
it's
fire
or
rescue.
It's
a
constant
change
in
our
in
our
building.
R
R
So
that's
why
we're
trying
to
leverage
that
the
new
technology
it
will
mean
what's
in
here
is
US
doing
the
seven
facilities,
City
facilities
and
buying
the
E
keys
and
the
mounts
for
our
apparatus
in
Saint
Mike's
fire
apparatus,
because
rescue
bills
for
their
services
I
feel
they
should
buy
their
own.
If
you
will
apparatuses
to
put
in
their
ambulances.
R
Again,
it
gives
us
it's
a
web
based
every
time.
John
already
pulls
that
key
off
I'm
gonna
know
what
time
he
took
it.
You
know
it
just
really
gives
a
level
of
accountability
to
the
property
owners.
It
is
giving
us
access.
This
is
not
law
enforcement
access.
There's
a
lot
of
reasons.
You
can't
do
a
search
warrant
and
go
open
that
box
and
gain
access.
That's
not
what
this
is
for.
This
is
exclusively
for
fire
and
EMS
emergency
access.
AA
Are
asked
by
Property
Owners?
What's
the
security
of
the
keys
that
we
have
now,
there
is
no
security
on
it.
It's
hanging
on
my
jacket.
It's
hanging
on
the
key
ring
it's
sitting
up
in
the
firehouse
for
anybody
to
grab
so
when,
when
you
lose
a
key,
it's
a
huge
problem
or
could
be
a
huge
problem
for
the
property
owners.
R
R
R
R
And
we
have
all
that
just
I
hadn't
gotten
there.
Why
is
the
quote?
21
asked
for
25
not
to
exceed
25
is
I,
don't
anticipate
there
being
an
issue
us
mounting
this
in
our
apparatus,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I'm
covered.
If
you
know
I
can
mount
the
box,
but
if
there's
wiring
that
needs
to
happen,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
covered
there's
nothing
more
other
than
that.
Just
trying
to
make
sure
I'm
covered
of
getting
this
rolled
out
and
putting
their
apparatus.
E
R
So
currently
again,
we've
identified
this
as
a
problem
right
and
as
far
as
this
accountability
of
these
keys,
so
all
of
Winooski
fire
trucks
have
them
I
care.
Personally,
Bruce
carries
it
personally,
St
Mike's
fire
trucks.
Have
it
St,
Mike's
ambulance?
Has
it
and
UVM
Hamilton
has
it
when
I
became
Chief
I
was
like
you
know,
that's
a
liability.
R
R
AA
So
so
we
tried,
but
the
this
just
kind
of
played
out
at
one
of
the
commercial
buildings
in
the
city
where
the
super
box
didn't
open.
The
keys
are
in
the
box,
but
the
Box
physically
didn't
open
and
we
had
to
damage
the
property
door
to
get
into
it
just
to
get
in
and
when,
after
we
made
entry
into
it,
the
individual
was
complaining,
no
injury.
So
we
just
damaged
a
thousand
dollar
door
for
somebody
to
not
be
injured.
R
E
Q
R
So
they
have
to
provide
it
by
ordinance,
but
we
are
proposing
to
roll
this
out
over
four
years,
so
each
Court
quadrant
we're
in
inspecting
we're
going
to
be
telling
them
they
need
to
upgrade
their
boxes.
So
those
that
don't
I
feel
like
it
gives
whoever's
in
my
seat
four
years
cycle
to
kind
of
convince
people
hey
these
are
going
away.
It's
in
the
ordinance.
R
Well,
you
know,
let's
deal
with
this,
I
I
would
hate
to
think
that
I'm
going
to
be
ticketing,
people
because
they're,
not
upgrading
the
boxes.
I,
it's
really
a
face-to-face
conversation
of
you
know,
look
I'm
able
to
account
for
the
keys
better.
You
know,
there's
a
level
of
accountability
and
access,
and
you
know,
let's
get
another
30
years
out
of
what
we're
trying
to
do,
because
we've
done
pretty
good
a
30-year
run
with
a
box
right.
Q
R
No,
you
know
I
think
out
of
fairness
to
them.
You
know
it
is
a
financial
impact.
You
know,
I
think
we've
talked
about
it
and
we
we
can.
What
happens
is
we
will
now
take
that
manual
key
and
attach
it
to
that
electric
piece,
at
least
it's
connected
in
our
box,
so
there's
that
level
of
accountability,
we'll
no
longer
carry
keys
that
they
will
be
in
that
apparatus.
I
need
to
enter
my
PIN
to
get
those
keys
off
it.
It's
it's
locked
on
that
piece
of
apparatus.
U
R
R
F
R
Because
the
the
seven
boxes
that
the
city
needs
I've
included
in
this
ask
yep,
because
I
think
the
city
should
take
the
first
step
in
this
and
say:
hey:
we
did
it.
Okay,
this
is
not
putting.
The
city
has
no
obligation
to
put
provide
lock
boxes
on
private
property.
We
we
give
them
this
account.
They
they
go
on,
create
an
account
and
order
that
box
it
comes.
R
L
F
C
AA
D
N
I
M
M
Q
O
F
Feelings
of,
like
the
overwhelming
responsibility
that
it
goes
with
it,
potentially
it's
late,
I,
don't
necessarily
know
what
goes
into
all
of
the
training,
but
it
sounds
extensive
for
the
intended
initial
intended
purpose.
My
question
is:
is
it
less
of
a
hurdle
to
pursue
a
comfort
canine,
something
similar
to
what
Wilson
has
I.
N
F
Okay,
right
I
mean
I'm,
excited
yeah
and
then
I
guess
with
that
I
was
going
to
say
like
if
that
wasn't
happening.
I
was
I,
know
that
there's
some
budget
restricted
budget
available
that
this
canine
funding
for
this
canine
was
going
to
be
used
for
knowing
that
there
are
additional
budget
requests
for
facility
updates
downstairs
is
any
of
that
restricted
budget
available
for
those
facility
updates.
F
Q
This
might
be
something
to
take
offline,
but
I
definitely
have
some
questions
around
Regional
dispatch,
especially
the
way
that
it
sounds
like
conversations
remain
on
hold.
There
are
possible
Appropriations
from
the
state
level
and
just
what
I
have
in
mind
is
we
made
some
big
sacrifices
during
our
budget
process
to
ensure
there
are
funds
for
that?
So
if
those
funds
are
not
going
to
be
or
at
this
point
are
paused
are
there
potential
to,
and
this
would
be
a
bigger
conversation,
I
know
reallocate
those
funds.
N
G
With
the
canine
funding
that
was
set
aside
since
the
the
rub,
that
I'm
hearing
is
that
the
officer
that
was
interested
in
engaging
with
a
K-9
partner
couldn't,
for
whatever
reason,
that's
the
case.
Brynn
is
like
you
have
to
be
willing
to
sign
on
to
a
K-9
like
for
the
canines
career,
which
can
be
eight
to
ten
years.
N
A
D
E
A
If
there
is
interest
in
considering
any
of
these
items
wanted
to
be
able
to
have
a
discussion
now
so
that
staff
have
advanced
time
to
consider
impacts.
You
know
financially
or
operationally
to
advise
us
during
the
prioritization
session.
So
the
goal
today
is
to
see,
if
there's
anything
from
this
list,
that
we
are
interested
in
further
consideration.
We
are
not
committing
to
saying
any
of
these.
Things
is
a
priority
at
this
discussion.
Q
When
I
press
Start
okay,
so
the
one
that
really
stood
out
to
me,
especially
after
our
meeting
with
the
chairs
and
just
how,
before
that
ended
up
just
being
like
discussing
the
issue
of
housing,
so
I
noticed,
like
this
final
bullet
point,
directed
out
to
work,
to
investigate
one
or
more
housing
policies
or
ordinances
and
I.
Don't
even
know
if
we
want
to
get
more
specific
like
what
came
to
mind
for
me,
especially
after
our
conversation
was
kind
of
that
way.
A
I
shouldn't
have
put
this
bullet
on
here.
Honestly,
I
was
going
to
take
it
off
and
forgot,
because
our
Housing
Initiative
director
is
going
to
right
away,
start
researching
policies
and
then
working
with
the
Housing
Commission
to
figure
out
what
the
the
Highlight,
whatever
High
reward
items
would
be.
A
A
G
G
I,
don't
really
know
how
to
contribute
at
the
moment.
I
think
that,
based
on
tonight's
public
comment
being
that
it
was
the
most
exciting
public
comments
so
far
that
the
addressing
chemicals
seems
pretty
important
to
our
constituents
by
the
last
bullet
not
belonging
there.
Does
that
just
mean
that
this
isn't
a
place
to
discuss
housing
goals
or
that
that's
already.
It's.
G
And
because
we've
talked
about
it
so
extensively,
there's
no
way
that
it
was
like
one
thing.
So
maybe
one
thing
I
may
have
more
Reflections
on
this
particular
list
so
far,
but
given
given
the
status
of
the
city
and
what
our
departments
and
council
is
already
focused
on.
I
think
that
our
ducks
are
pretty
well
in
a
row.
G
N
Are
Banning
use
of
it
of
he?
Has
some
people
wait
and
my
concern
is
that
it's
pretty
much
in
everything
so
I
absolutely
understand
the
concern
I
I
do,
but
the
challenge
is:
is
there
an
alternative
product?
That's
going
to
perform
the
way
we
need
it
to
and
doing
the
research
on
that
that
takes
staff
time.
So
there's
a
couple
of
areas
so
full
of
Works
materials
that
say
that
the
pipes
that
we
use-
or
you
know
the
that
we
by
or
you
know
anything
we
use
in
the
public
in
in
public
works.
N
C
N
This
is
there
a
better
alternative.
We
just
don't
have
a
lot
of
excellent
staff
capacity.
To
do
that.
Research
I
had
intended
to
have
a
clerk's
office.
Do
that
we
that
was
sort
of
lined
up
to
go,
and
then
we
lost
the
staff
person
number
down
and
let
our
staff
person
we
have
a
brand
new
version,
so
I
wanted
to
have
people
in
that
office.
There's
no.
There
really
is
nobody
to
do
that.
So
in
terms
of
a
simple
answer:
there
is
not
one
because
of
the
what's
the
equivalent
Banning.
It
is
easy
finding
replacement.
N
F
Their
chindens
always
has
also
done
some
studies
and
some
Community
feedback
before
the
pandemic
hit
four
or
five
years
ago.
Maybe
a
little
bit
longer
so
I'm
happy
to
share
the
information
on
that.
I
would
say
that
that
there
are
benefits,
but
it
is.
It
is
a
very
large
conversation
and
I
think,
just
by
seeing
the
feedback
that
students
always
got
that
would
inform
how
Council
might
want
to
move
forward
so
I'm
not
stating
a
position
on
it.
F
I'm
merely
saying
that,
there's
information
that
I'm
happy
to
share
with
you
and
whoever
else
from
the
community
has
interest
in
learning
more
about
it.
So
there
are,
there
are
benefits
and
it
is.
It
can
be
a
lift
to
to
get
in
place.
So
just
saying
that
want
to
speak
to
that
since
I
have
some
prevent
background
and
experience
in
that
and
obviously
I'm
going
to
be
in
favor
of
item
five,
because
I
recommended
it
but
I
for
context.
F
So
there
there
are
some
phrases.
Some
sayings
that
go
the
least
cost
energy
is
the
energy
you
don't
use
and
that
the
best
efficiency
is
focus
around
time
of
use,
so
basically
reducing
the
amount
of
energy
during
energy.
Peaks,
so
Peaks
happen
on
a
monthly
basis,
and
then
they
also
happen
throughout
the
year.
So
you'll
often
hear
it
more
commonly
in
the
summer,
but
if
they
happen
in
the
winter
as
well,
when
there's
the
highest
demand
everyone's
home,
everyone
has
their
heat
on
everyone's
home.
Everyone
has
their
AC
on.
F
So
a
time
of
use,
management
and
strategy
can
save
a
significant
amount
of
energy.
It
can
also
save
a
significant
amount
of
cost
and
it
can
also
mitigate
a
good
degree
of
avoidable
pollution
by
calling
on
other
power
plants
dirtier
power
plants
to
fulfill
that
demand
during
during
those
Peaks,
so
they're,
the
utility
providers,
Green
Mountain,
Power,
Vermont
Gas.
They
have
many
rate
structures
that
are
regulated
by
the
public
service
department
and
within
those
rate
structures.
F
There
are
advantages
to
basically
reducing
demand
during
those
Peaks
so
that
they
can
one
level
out
their
how
much
energy
needs
to
be
generated
during
the
demand,
but
also
having
predictable
declines
from
some
of
their
highest
users,
so
that
there's
more
flexibility
during
those
Peaks.
So
this
recommendation
purely
is
to
honestly
financially
foremost
for
the
city
to
look
at
what
rate
structures
may
be
more
advantageous
for
our
taxpayers
and
then
on
a
grander
scheme,
but
less
motivational.
F
N
N
What
is
it
called
the
municipal
energy
grant
program
available
service
soon
and
there
you
definitely
want
to
get
audits
on
our
remaining
buildings,
because
so,
for
example,
we're
seeing
like
no
drop
off
and
energy
use
in
this
building
over
the
course
of
the
24
hours,
which
makes
no
sense,
and
we
cannot
figure
out
why
so
having
an
audit
free
audit
would
be
great
yeah,
so
something
we're
pursuing.
Frankly,
if
you
want
it,
it's
kind
of
operational.
But
if
you
want
to
do
that
at
all,
that's
fine!
We
blew
it.
Q
All
right
properly,
I'll
start
with
the
one
that
I
think
is
probably
the
newest.
Some
of
the
others
I
feel
like
are
highlighting
stuff
that
might
already
be
on
there,
but
I
would
like
to
propose
that
that's
you
know
using
resources
from
the
LCT,
maybe
ideal,
as
well
as
exit
interview
from
Yasmine
and
other
feedback,
to
look
into
doing
a
rewrite
of
the
equity
director
position
that
is
more
sustainable.
So
thinking
of
that
position
as
very
much
paused,
are
there
things
that
we
can
do
to
prepare
for
that
to
be
unpaused.
Q
Q
Look
that
policy
and
kind
of
how
we
can
do
things
in
the
city
instead
of
having
well
three
positions
in
one
which
sounds
like
one
of
the
biggest
issues
with
the
position
previously
so
I
think
that
would
be
really
valuable,
as
well
as
show
commitment
to
the
residents
of
when
you
see
that
we
are
taking
this
as
a
pause,
and
we
do
want
to
do
and
for
the
reason
stated
that
it
needs
to.
There
needs
to
be
some
work
done
for
that
position
to
be
sustainable
and
fair
to
whoever.
A
C
A
Q
A
A
N
N
So
I'll
say
that
having
Civic
classes
per
se
I
personally
will
they
get
an
all
kinds
of
reasons
to
do
that
and
I
have
no
idea
who's
doing
anything
on
that
because
it
came
up
this
year.
I
was
like
man
I
wish.
I
could
learn
all
that
right,
but
I
will
say
like
we're
nibbling
at
other
like
if
that's
one
one
means
to
the
to
the
end,
there's
other
ways
that
we're
trying
to
make
progress
towards
the
standard.
N
We
have
been
talking
with
HR
Director
about
getting
it
even
at
the
elementary
school
level
with
the
principals.
It's
like
what
does
that
look
like
there's
that
exposure
when,
when
we're
invited
to
receive
D
students,
whether
it's
a
causal
or
the
high
school
or
or
or
parents-
it's
like
yes,
you're,
organizing
this
little
absolutely
so
we
are
trying
to
memorably
at
that
with
the
current
location.
N
C
D
I'm
pretty
sure
all
the
things
I
would
like
to
talk
about
are
already
something
that
we
are
on
there,
but
infrastructure
both
below
the
ground
and
sidewalks
I.
Don't
know
if
those
are
specifically
called
out,
but
I
know
that
that's
been
a
community
concern
recently.
So
if
we
could
have
that
as
a
conversation,
I
would
sure.
F
N
Or
some
fashion
is,
if
you,
the
more
pre-work
Council,
does
ahead
of
next
budget
I
think
it
actually
would
be
helpful.
So
you
know,
as
opposed
to
like
it's
not
like
waiting
around,
but
you
know
you
see
the
budgets
like
okay,
well,
there's
not
like
having
I,
think
I,
don't
know
what
or
you
could
just
be
like
saying
that
right.
You
need
to
be
prioritize.
Yeah
right.
D
D
Right,
like
I,
know,
there's
a
plan.
I
know
there's,
but
just
maybe
for
as
a
body
for
us
to
discuss
it
and
prioritize,
it
I
think
would
be
noted,
something
that
we
should
do
and
then
the
second
thing
is
is
just
thinking
ahead
of
the
budget
discussions
that
we
will
have
later
in
many
many
months,
possibly
paying
our
fire
department
more
again,
it's
a
budget
discussion,
but
if
we
can
put
that
up
as
a
prior
prioritization,
that
would
make
me
very
happy.
Thank.
Q
Q
D
Yeah
and
again,
like
I,
said
both
of
those
items
that
I
want
to
talk
about.
I
know
we're
going
to
talk
about,
but
I'd
like
to
call
them
out
if
possible,
I
agree
with
everything
you
mentioned
earlier,
as
well:
Aurora
and
Brynn.
After
rereading
the
Energy
savings,
I
didn't
mean
to
veto
that
so
quickly.
It's.
C
G
I
do
I
do
want
to
I
think
that
across
the
city,
there's
not
a
lot
of
money
right
for
all
the
stuff,
not
for
the
stuff
that
we
need,
let
alone
the
stuff
that
we
want.
I,
think
that
to
Brent's
comment
like
if
we
can
find
ways
to
like
the
best
monies,
the
best
money
that
you
could
spend
is
money
saved,
so
to
speak,
like
on
the
terms
of
energy
right.
G
D
C
G
A
A
A
Pursuant
to
one
VSA
section,
3133,
the
appointment
or
employment
or
evaluation
of
a
public
officer
or
employee,
provided
that
the
public
body
shall
make
a
final
decision
to
hire
or
appoint
a
public
officer
or
employee
in
an
open
meeting
and
shall
explain
the
reasons
for
its
final
decision.
During
the
open
meeting.