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00:00:00 Call to Order/Pledge of Allegiance
00:00:26 Agenda Review
00:00:33 Public Comment
00:00:51 Consent Agenda
00:01:50 Council Reports
00:05:23 City Updates
00:07:33 Flavored Tobacco Products Bill
00:19:13 O'Brien Community Center Update
00:45:48 Intro of Housing Initiative Director
00:49:33 Chapter 28 Fees - Ordinance Update
00:55:32 Small Business Loan Application
01:05:40 Executive Session
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A
A
Stands
one
nation
under
God
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all.
Thank
you
agenda
review
any
concerns
about
the
order
this
evening.
Okay,
next
up
is
public
comments.
Public
comment
is
space
for
any
attendees
who
aren't
here
for
an
agenda
item.
If
you
are
here
for
something
on
tonight's
agenda,
please
wait
for
that.
Is
there
any
public,
competency,
okay,.
C
A
A
E
B
A
You
were
gone
right,
yeah,
okay,
okay
and
then
the
rest
of
the
consent
agenda.
We
have
our
payroll
warrant:
April
16
to
29.
accounts
payable,
May
10.
subsequent
to
payout
warrants,
December
and
January
2023
Farmers
Market
event,
permit
application
and
authorization
for
the
mayor
to
respond,
as
discussed
to
a
public
comment
from
the
March
20th
meeting.
Any
concerns
about
these
items.
No
motion
to
approve.
C
E
A
F
B
I
also
attended
a
meeting
on
behalf
of
the
mayor.
It
was
the
finance
Commission
meeting
the
director
of
downtown
Winooski
was
a
guest
of
the
finance
commission
meeting
and
it
was
really
kind
of
just
a
level
setting
meeting
where
they
were
getting
to
know
each
other
and
talking
about,
like
a
general
outlay
of
what
downtown
Winooski
does
I
was
happy
to
be
there,
because
I
was
able
to
fill
in
some
information
that
the
new
director
didn't
know
due
to
being
very,
very
new,
but
we
didn't
take
any
action.
A
Thank
you,
I'd
like
to
provide
an
update
on
my
monthly
housing
Roundtable
meeting
where
I
meet
with
Partners
in
our
housing
community
and
School
District.
We
continued
coordination
around
trainings
for
tenants,
tenant
information
and
bringing
those
from
the
Champlain
Valley
office
of
Economic
Opportunity
into
Winooski
also
heard
some
progress
with
the
Vermont
Home
Improvement
program.
So
this
is
the
state
funded
program
that
provides
grant
funding
to
bring
houses
vacant
houses
up
to
code
if
they
are
rented
to
afford
at
affordable
levels.
A
So
there's
some
more
houses
have
been
identified
that
might
have
like
three
or
more
bedrooms
in
them
in
the
area,
so
not
immediately
happening,
but
some
progress
there
and
then
just
for
the
public
awareness.
We
had
our
annual
strategy
and
priority
session
leadership
team
in
the
city
council
got
together
on
Saturday
to
discuss
priorities
for
the
upcoming
year.
That'll
come
back
on
a
future
meeting
agenda
for
public
discussion
and
approval.
C
Great
thanks:
the
airport
commission
met
on
May
3rd,
a
lot
of
just
updates,
no
action
items
looking
at
early
stages
of
reviewing
the
noise
impact
map.
Selecting
your
consultant
there'll
be
a
lot
more
communication
public
Outreach
on
that
as
it
gets
underway.
So
just
look
out
for
updates
and
Outreach
from
the
from
the
airport
on
that
the
noise
installation
progress
is
moving
along,
but
it
hasn't
reached
Winooski
just
yet
so
again,
seeing
some
some
momentum
there
and
more
information
will
be
coming
out
as
it
reaches
reaches
our
city.
C
G
Thank
you.
The
safe,
healthy
connected
people
commission
met
on
May
9th.
We
spent
the
time
doing.
Some
detailed
review
of
the
community
services
program
needs
slash
interest
survey
and
also
some
focus
group
questions,
so
that
will
be
coming
out
to
kind
of
gauge
make
sure
that
we
are
providing
the
City
and
residents
with
the
program
that
they
most
need
and
want,
and
there's
no
inclusion
in
belonging,
Commission
meeting
this
month.
This
is
one
of
the
off
months.
H
Yeah,
so
there
are
seat
vacancies.
The
city
of
Winooski
is
searching
for
engaged
and
dedicated
residents
to
serve
on
our
boards
commissions
and
Committees
of
applicants
with
related
experience,
skill
sets
and
interests
are
encouraged
to
apply
and
Council
and
staff
who
welcome
diverse
voices.
So
if
you've
never
served,
we
will
do
our
best
to
support
you.
Current
seat
vacancies
include
the
finance
commission,
inclusion
and
belonging
commission
a
brand
new
youth
member
position
with
the
Winooski
Memorial
Library
committee,
Winooski,
Valley,
Parks,
District,
Board
of
Trustees,
and
the
chin
and
solid
waste
District's
Board
of
Commissioners.
H
Parade
that
is
returning
to
Winooski
join
us
in
partnering,
with
the
Winooski,
Vermont
or
I'm.
Sorry,
the
Veterans
of
Foreign
Wars
and
the
regular
veterans
association
on
Saturday
May
27th.
The
parade
starts
at
12
p.m.
At
the
Winooski
School
District
travels
down
Main
Street
and
ends
at
the
VFW
following
the
parade.
Please
join
the
ceremony
to
honor
our
fallen
veterans
and
enjoy
community
barbecue
volunteers
and
participants
are
needed.
The
parade
welcomes
all
groups,
local
businesses,
creative
vehicles
and
floats
if
you're
interested
in
participating
or
want
to
volunteer.
Please
call
the
VFW
at.
H
802-655-9832
or
show
up
early
on
the
morning
of
the
27th
and
finally
there
is
a
blood
drive
at
the
senior
center
of
the
woonski
fire
department
is
hosting
that
blood
drive
in
partnership
with
the
American
Red
Cross
at
the
Winooski
Senior
Center
on
Friday
May
19th
from
12
to
5
15
PM,
please
consider
signing
up
today.
Your
donation
can
save
a
life
visit.
The
news
updates
section
on
winnewskvt.gov
to
learn
more.
A
B
J
Evening,
everybody
I'm
Heather
Nguyen
and
I'm,
a
former
Winooski
School
District
teacher
and
now
working
for
when
you
ski
partnership
for
prevention.
As
the
youth
coordinator
and
I'm
here
with
Rayna
chase
a
fifth
grader
at
JFK,
and
we're
going
to
be
talking
to
you
about
what
you
see
on
the
tray
over
there.
So
I'm
going
to
pass
it
over
to
Reina.
D
E
B
C
E
J
J
When
we
showed
it
to
them,
they
were
pretty
surprised.
It's
it's
clear,
there's
marketing,
that's
directed
right
to
children
and
those
things
are
readily
available
in
our
stores
in
Winooski.
So
we're
going
to
turn
the
floor
over
to
to
more
of
our
ATI
students.
We
have
Talia
Bennett,
who
is
an
eighth
grader,
and
we
also
are
blessed
to
have
with
us
again
Lucas
Suarez,
who
is
a
senior
and
our
longest
standing
lifetime,
ATI
member,
so
we'll
switch
spots
and
let
them
take
it
from
here.
K
L
K
We
get
first
and
foremost,
I
just
want
to
say
hi.
Thank
you
for
having
us
I,
appreciate
it
and
very
happy
that
you
could
be
like
meeting
with
us
today,
because
the
topic
we'll
be
talking
about
pertains
to
a
lot
to
our
youth
Health
in
Winooski
and
in
general.
So
it's
I'm
very
appreciative
that
you
guys
could
talk
to
us
about
it.
As
some
of
you
may
know
that,
there's
currently
a
bill
S18,
the
Vermont
house
that
will
have
a
very
powerful
impact
on
public
health
have
passed.
K
The
bill
prohibits
flavors
and
tobacco
products.
We
think
passing
this
bill
would
have
a
very
big
difference
for
people
our
age,
because
it
would
ban
the
very
enticing
and
delicious
sounding
flavors.
We
get
in
our
schools
and
our
communities.
We
know
people
who
are
using
nicotine
products
are
mainly
using
Vapes
and
we
know
the
vape
flavors
that
they're
using
are
things
like
bubble,
gum,
candy,
cherry
and
watermelon
and
stuff
of
the
sort.
K
L
Other
cities
and
states
include
Massachusetts
and
California
have
already
decided
to
prohibit
flavors
in
order
to
stop
the
tobacco
industry
from
targeting
youth
in
people
of
color
in
their
states,
prohibited
flavors
would
prevent
new
smokers
from
ever
starting.
In
the
first
place,
the
tobacco
industry
is
targeting
U.S
teens
naming
kids
by
having
these
flavors
when
kids
my
age,
these
flavored
products
in
the
local
stores,
flavors
like
popcorn
and
cinnamon,
reminds
them
of
movie
theaters
and
holidays.
The
tobacco
industry
wants
us
to
be
attracted
to
these
flavors.
L
Us
to
start
using
e-cigarettes,
so
we
can
get
addicted.
They
want
us
addicted
because
it
gets
them
a
lifelong
customer
and
they
make
a
profit
off
of
us.
We
want
you
to
help
our
Winooski
youth
by
keeping
these
flavors
out
of
our
state.
We
know
we'll
have
better
lives
if
we
don't
Vape
or
smoke,
because
an
addiction
can
run
your
life
better
than
you
can.
Thanks
for
letting
us
share
with
you
today,
we
hope
you'll
take
time
to
learn
about
more
about
this
important
bill
and
help
us
stay
safe.
M
Yeah,
thanks
again
to
the
to
our
students
for
sharing
it's
awesome,
to
hear
the
message
in
their
own
words.
So
you
know
that
the
legislature
just
broke
their
session
and
now
we're
in
between
two
sessions,
and
it's
actually
a
great
time.
I've
learned
to
network
with
legislators
on
things
that
are
going
to
get
carried
over
to
the
next
session.
M
Restricting
flavor
tobacco
products
is
a
best
practice
for
public
health.
It
also
is
expected
to
have
really
important
impacts
on
health
disparities,
because
flavor
is
flavored.
Products
are
part
of
what
perpetuates
disparities
in
tobacco
use,
including
specific
targeting
of
the
black
communities
specific
targeting
of
the
lgbtq
community
by
Menthol
products
and
other
products,
and
we
also
know
that
most
smokers
start
before
they
turn
18.
M
Also,
most
smokers
are
looking
to
quit
about
70
percent
of
not
I
shouldn't,
say
just
smokers,
but
tobacco
users
say
that
they
want
to
quit
using
tobacco
and
restricting
flavors
actually
helps
ease
that
quitting
process,
particularly
for
Menthol
Menthol,
has
characteristics
about
it
that
make
it
easier
to
smoke
and
harder
to
quit.
So
I
just
want
to
advocate
for
this,
for
protecting
Public
Health,
protecting
our
youth
and
protecting
our
community
as
a
whole.
M
We
do
have
this
bill
in
the
legislature
right
now,
but
even
if
there
weren't,
this
would
still
be
a
best
practice.
That
I
would
love
to
speak
with
you
all
more
about
for
future
sessions,
but
I
think
because
this
we
have
an
opportunity
right
now.
It's.
It
would
be
a
great
thing
if
council
is
willing
to
reach
out
to
our
representatives
and
tell
them
that
you
would
support
a
flavor
restriction
to
to
protect
the
community.
That
would
really
mean
a
lot
for
for
health
in
widowski.
D
J
J
M
A
M
M
And
I
have
a
video
that
I
will
make
sure
to
send
on
to
all
the
council
from
an
expert
in
this
field.
Dr
Philip
Gardner,
who
works
for
the
African-American
tobacco
control,
Leadership
Council
I
got
it
he's
out
in
California,
and
he
explains
the
science
behind
that
really
well,
but
basically
because
of
menthol's
cooling
effect,
your
lungs
open
a
little
bit
more
and
so
nicotine
penetrates
more
deeply,
thus
making
it
harder
to
easier
to
smoke
and
harder
to
quit.
Yeah.
F
A
A
H
So,
just
for
some
context,
hopefully
Council
had
has
a
sense
that
the
city
manager
has
been
driving
this
conversation
to
potentially
so
Brian
Community
Center
to
Champlain
Housing
Trust.
At
this
point,
we
are
made
enough
progress,
so
we're
talking
about
programming
the
space
in
terms
of
like
the
physical
space.
So
that's
why
I've
I've
asked
Ray
to
be
point
from
going
forward,
of
course,
I'm
still
involved,
but
now
we're
getting
to
know
the
nitty-gritty.
That's
why
everybody's
at
the
table,
instead
of
me,
yeah.
N
N
So
I
think
just
a
little
bit
of
table
setting
on
the
history,
so
O'brien
Center
opened
in
2008
near
as
I
can
tell
financially
never
really
penciled
for
the
city,
and
so
it's
been
something
that
we've
been
sort
of
wrestling
with
over
the
years.
I
think
had
finally
gotten
with
full
tenancy
a
few
years
back
to
a
pretty
stable
place,
but
admittedly
a
place
where
we
weren't
bringing
in
additional
funds
to
see
the
capital
budget
for
the
building.
N
So
we
were
covering
the
operational
cost,
paying
down
the
debt
but
weren't,
adding
to
a
capital
reserve
for
the
facility,
so
I
think
as
much
as
that
was
positive.
There
were
still
some
concerns
for
us
long
term
there
and
then
I
think
there's
an
operational
piece
too,
where
we've
I
think
said
this
in
public
session
before
cities
are
not
always
great
landlords
and
I
think
we
are
not
equipped
or
staffed
necessarily
to
manage
a
public
facility
with
rental
spaces
that
we're
leasing
out
so
I.
O
Thank
you
and
I
have
a
little
bit
of
hay
fever,
not
a
cold,
not
a
cough,
not
anything.
I've
been
testing
myself,
so
Michael
Monty
I'm,
the
CEO
of
Champlain,
Housing
Trust
and,
first
of
all,
thank
you
very
much
for
this
opportunity.
I
think
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
something
that's
a
great
revitalization
of
the
O'brien
Center.
O
O
Certainly,
over
the
last
few
years
you
you
might
have
seen
us
or
heard
of
the
old
North
End
Community
Center
to
former
St
Joe's
school
and
in
transition
of
that
building,
and
that
really
turned
that
building
into
a
great
use
for
the
old
North
End,
a
really
collection
of
individual
uses
coming
together
in
a
way
that
I
think
is
pretty
pretty
exciting.
So,
with
that
in
mind
and
conversations,
we
see
that
there's
an
opportunity
here
as
well
of
kind
of
a
different
set
of
players.
O
Some
folks
have
been
fairly
secure
in
their
positions
and
parts
of
the
uses
of
the
buildings
and
ongoing
conversations
with
those
organizations
about
their
participation
and
how
strong
they
can
participate
in
sort
of
the
survivalization
I.
Frankly
think
that
this
is
taking
too
long
but
I'm
just
impatient,
but
nevertheless,
probably
we're
taking
we're
going
slow
enough
to
so
that
we
can
go
quickly
at
some
point,
yeah
there's
that
little
saying,
which
I
think
is
useful.
In
this
case.
We
want
to
make
sure
what
we
have
is
the
program
that
is
correct
and
right.
O
O
But
they
had
a
prior
name,
because
I
was
a
part
of
sort
of
getting
that
organization
started,
but
Vermont
works
for
women
still
they're
a
real
revitalization
and
utilization,
the
community
health
centers
of
Burlington
and
dental
clinic
a
real
expansion
and
really
I,
think
Class,
A,
Services,
Class,
A
offices
and
and
Healthcare
in
that
location.
Revitalization,
I
think
a
step
forward
from
the
university
University
of
Vermont
in
terms
of
their
facility
as
well,
and
then
sort
of
continuing
with
the
the
gym
as
an
event
Hall
kitchen,
as
sort
of
a
very
important
community
space.
O
A
library
I
think,
is
the
one
program
that
we
could
settle
in
on
and
be
clear
about
some
additional
Community
spaces
and
a
range
of
different
organizations
who
want
to
use
them
and
then
finally,
the
real
sort
of
conversation
now
is:
do
we
do
a
gym
or
not
do
a
gym?
And
how
do
we
do
that?
How
does
that
work?
We've
had
different
iterations
of
designs,
yeah
and.
N
H
The
designs
Paul's
queuing
that
up
I
just
want
to
remind
Council
of
what
was
in
the
cover
sheet,
which
is
that
it
isn't
it.
This
is
potentially
going
to
get
into
the
weeds
here
which
isn't
the
intent.
The
intent
is
to
ask
you
for
General
blessing
that
we're
heading
in
the
right
direction,
still
by
with
the
sale,
the
CHT,
and
also
just
the
idea
that
would
be
having
different
types
of
service
providers
in
the
space
like
that
level
is
what
we're
looking.
N
Think
too,
just
to
build
on
that
a
little
bit
again,
these
designs
have
have
work,
has
been
put
into
them
to
be
clear,
but
these
are
still
I,
think
fairly
conceptual
in
nature,
so
I
think
again
we
didn't
want
to
get
into.
Like
oh
I
think
you
know
the
library
should
be
here
instead
of
here
it's
more
to
look
at
the
masses
and
the
and
the
volumes
in
the
in
the
space
that
we
have
to
work
with.
So.
O
The
first
iteration
is
option
A,
which
is
really
was
at
the
University
of
Vermont
Medical
Center
was
not
going
to
be
in
that
space
anymore.
They
have
indicated
that
they
want
to
be
there
and
they
want
to
continue
to
serve
Winooski
and
to
Face
Forward
into
the
community.
So
we've
had
several
conversations
with
them
and
we
continue
to
sort
of
urge
them
to
be.
In
fact,
forward-facing
shall
I,
say
and
be
a
community
resource.
O
This
is
option
A,
assuming
that
they
would
have
left
it
would
have
created
a
large
space
or
a
library,
and
also
for
the
gymnasium
I.
Think
this
one
option
is
off
the
table
at
this
point.
So
let's
go
on
to
option
b
option
b,
so
you
can
sort
of
see
then
option
b
is
really
just
the
medical
center.
Excuse
me,
the
you
don't
see
steps
here,
it's,
as
you
know,
it's
sort
of
tagged
onto
the
building
and
there's
not
much
considered.
It's
not
steps.
O
O
And
sort
of
in
the
lower
corner
of
the
CHC
Medical
Center,
so
here
you
see
the
community
health
centers
in
Burlington
medical
facilities,
the
dental
facilities
again,
the
kitchen
connected
to
the
community
room,
University
of
Vermont,
Medical,
Center,
big
Lobby,
connecting
all
those
medical
facilities
and
then
off
to
the
side
again,
a
city
library
with
some
Community
spaces.
This
is
option
b.
This
does
not
have
really
a
gymnasium,
that's
what
that
X
is
across
it.
If
you
go
to
option
C,
who
is
doing
this
by
the
way
Paul
he's.
O
What
we
see
here
is
a
little
bit
more
and
with
a
lot
and
a
second
floor,
a
second
story
with
the
gymnasium
being
a
major
part
of
the
sort
of
the
program
and
the
activity.
Each
of
these
iterations
goes
from,
like
12
million
to
15
million
to
18
million
dollars,
not
a
small
project.
Okay
and
I
think
the
distinction
and
difference
that
we
did
the
owner
thank
Community
Center
about
three
to
four
years
ago,
and
that
was
about
eight
or
nine
million
dollars.
O
But
we
really
just
left
big
classrooms
for
everybody
to
bounce
around
it
we
didn't
have
we
didn't.
We
had
a
gymnasium
that
was
already
existing
a
fairly
inexpensive.
You
know
to
create
that
space
and
it
was
already
set,
so
this
one
has
so
because
it
has
some
for
new
buildings
and
because
the
internal
activity
in
each
one
of
these
options
is
there's
a
lot
of
space
going
on.
O
So,
where
I
we're
close
I,
think
to
being
able
to
sort
of
make
the
decision
about
what
to
do
next,
I
think
there's
some
conversation
still
with
the
YMCA
to
associate.
They
have
expressed
potential
and
interest
in
this.
What
we
really
want
to
be
able
to
do,
though,
is
when
we
do.
This
is
to
sort
of
have
a
you
know,
folks,
who
an
individual
organizations
have
a
long-term
commitment
and
not
and
not
to
be
five
years
or
ten
years,
but
really
to
be
long
term.
O
This
will
require
quite
a
bit
of
work
in
terms
of
raising
funds.
I
think
that
chcb
has
already
hopes
to
have
an
earmark.
We
think
the
city
of
unusuke
also
will
have
an
earmark
as
well
for
this.
We're
gonna
have
to
go
out
and
raise
some
money
and
we're
going
to
have
to
do
a
capital
campaign
of
sorts
to
raise
winning
in
the
community.
O
There'll
be
some
debt
in
here,
the
like
the
the
least
amount
of
debt,
the
better
it
is
from
an
operating
cost
right
and
we'll
have
use
New
Market
tax
credits,
which
is
a
form
of
utilization
of
federal
tax
credit
program,
which
we
have
used
a
few
times
now,
which
essentially
takes
all
the
money
and
throws
it
into
this.
New
partnership
of
Corporation
takes
advantage
of
the
credits
and
then
we'll
pay
a
big
chunk
of
this,
not
probably
about
a
25
to
30
percent
of
that
of
those
dollar
amends
and
we're
beginning
to
explore.
O
Who
might
be
a
tax
credit
syndicator
working
with
us,
housing
Vermont
now
ever
North?
Does
that
work
we've
had
conversations
with
them.
They
did
the
work
with
us
at
the
old
North,
End,
Community
Center,
so
lots
of
money
to
be
raised.
A
final
program
needs
to
be
developed
in
order
to
determine
what
the
final
budget
is.
O
We're
prepared
to.
We've
we've
been
asked
a
question
whether
we
want
to
or
whether
we
can
purchase
the
building
sooner
and
do
that
and
we're
still
we're
we're
considering
that
that
all
depends
upon
whether
we
can
find
what
would
be
fairly
low
cost
money
in
the
short
term,
which
we
could
then
put
into
the
into
the
property.
But
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
do
this
in
a
way
that
takes
it
that
doesn't
leave
money
on
the
table
for
the
tax
credit
utilization
they're.
O
O
N
Ahead
and
have
questions,
yeah
and
I
think
just
a
couple
quick,
specific
City
operational
points
that
I
want
to
bring
up,
because,
obviously
that's
a
big
part
of
your
purview
as
well.
I.
Think,
as
the
city
has
approached
this
conversation
in
terms
of
priorities,
the
library
and
improving
services
within
that
has
remained
pretty
front
and
center
for
us,
as
has
the
availability
of
public
space
for
Resident
Gatherings
and
events.
N
I
think
those
two
pieces
have
been
really
Central
to
what
we're
looking
to
try
to
accomplish
here,
as
Michael
mentioned
that
you
know,
the
gym.
I
think
is
something
that
we
would
love
to
have
I
think
we
feel
confident
would
be
well
utilized
and
I
think
the
financing
of
that
is
proving
to
be
a
little
bit
stickier
we'll
get
to
to
figure
out.
N
So
the
other
thing
I
think
I
just
want
to
say
is
that
from
an
operational
budget
perspective,
we
are
trying
to
work
within
the
budget
that
we
currently
have
and
not
up
front,
not
add
cost
to
the
city's
general
fund
budget.
So
as
of
right
now,
we
are
carrying
an
annual
deficit
on
the
O'brien
Center
building
and
are
trying
to
build
any
future
lease
Arrangements
within
that
set
amount
of
money.
I
O
The
first
time
around
two
other
things,
I
guess
I
would
mention.
As
you
mentioned,
we,
we
sort
of
established
a
budget
for
this,
from
what
we
need
to
go
raise
based
upon
what
we
believe
is
a
very
low
cost
to
the
entities
who
are
here.
So
if
this
was
a
private
sector
thing,
I'd
say
this
is
going
to
cost
you
twenty
dollars
a
square
foot
plus
all
the
expenses
and
operating
and-
and
you
know,
lights
and
utilities
and
we're
trying
to
get
it
down
to
a
very
low
number.
O
And
therefore,
then
we
had
to
go
raise
money,
because
what
the
private
folks
do
is
they
leverage
equity,
which
usually
has
a
return?
They
also
do
debt
and
we're
going
to
need
to
do
that
as
little
as
possible.
Our
Equity
has
to
be
free
and
our
debt
has
to
be
low
cost,
and
that
gets
us
to
the
you
know
when
our
number
is
twelve
dollars,
a
square
foot
all
in
for
all
the
entities
and
we're
that's
been
our
Target
and
we
sort
of
build
off
of
that.
It's
like
doing,
affordable
rental,
housing.
O
You
say:
here's
the
low
rent.
How
do
you
get
to
a
place
where
you
could
make
sure
that
that
rents
can
be
that
low,
assuming
I
have
really
basic
operating
costs
still
to
cover,
like
the
the
typical
things,
like
utilities
and
and
maintenance,
and
all
those
other
things
so
I
think
that
that's
like
sort
of
a
key
piece
of
how?
How
we're
proceeding
here.
A
Moving
but
something
that
previous
iterations
of
this
Council
have
really
supported.
I.
Think
your
initial
description
of
this
as
a
revitalization
is,
you
know
what
we
hope
it
can
be
too
and
it's
very
exciting
to
see
a
successful
sort
of
developer
and
manager
of
these
kind
of
spaces,
Step
In
and
while
there
this
isn't
like
a
Time
for
Action.
A
As
you
say,
right
yeah,
it
is
I
appreciate
having
the
opportunity
to
see
you
get
an
update,
see
where
we're
going,
because
it's
been
kind
of
slow
moving
and
now
we
can
also
share
this
with
the
public
right
and
give
them
a
little
more
picture
to
the
vision
that
we're
hoping
to
achieve
here.
Yeah,
I'm,
generally
supportive,
but
questions
or
thoughts
from
counselors.
B
N
D
B
O
Plan
we
did
it.
That
was
a
part
of
what's
taken
so
long.
We
looked
at
a
building
on
that
corner
and
multiple
stories,
both
in
terms
of
housing
or
even
put
a
community
health
centers
of
Burlington,
and
it
turned
out
to
be
just
too
difficult.
Elevators
people
getting
in
and
out,
where
is
the
parking
going
to
go
and
sort
of
like
jamming
too
much
into
into
one
space,
and
we
would
like
to
I
would
like
to
make
that
corner
more
inviting,
but
nevertheless
not
necessarily
build
on
it.
Great.
Thank
you.
G
Question
I
have,
and
this
might
be
jumping
the
gun.
A
little
bit
is
thinking
about
as
we're
a
little
further
along
have
some
firmer
floor
paint
lands
just
connecting
with
community
members,
especially
those
who
might
face
barriers
for
attending
Council
meetings
of
just
kind
of
I,
assume
there'll
be
a
plan
for
that.
Yeah.
N
Certainly-
and
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
it
so
far,
but
I-
think
as
we
get
into
the
into
the
weed
Zone
design,
I
think,
certainly
on
the
city
side
of
things,
we
will
want
to
be
out
talking
to
community
members
thinking
about
a
new
library.
Actually,
that's
we
want
that
to
be
a
space
that
responds
to
what
the
community
wants
and
needs.
So
it
was
definitely
on
the
radar
for
us
heavily
wonderful,
very.
C
O
O
And
that's
and
really
looking
at
how
we
could
pull
things
into
a
storage
area,
then
pull
them
out
for
different
uses.
So
that's
how
that
back,
gym
gym
would
be
used
in
the
future
and
so
we've
have.
We
have
some
of
that
kind
of
thing
going
at
the
old
North
End
Community
Center.
It
works
really.
Well
really.
The
conversation
is,
do
you
need
a
full-size
gym?
O
You
know
with
court,
the
full
basketball
court
and
all
that
work,
and
that's
that's
another
question
I
think
still
and
really
the
it's
really
about
the
cost
of
operating
and
the
cost
of
development,
the
cost
of
development.
Secondarily
in
some
ways,
even
though
it
still
raises
to
Casa,
but
how
is
it
going
to
operate
and
it's
you
know
just
who's
going
to
pay
for
it
and
how
is
it
going
to
be
programmed?
That
becomes
really
the
question
really
more
than
anything
else
and
right.
H
E
N
N
What
I
will
say:
I,
don't
have
numbers
right
in
front
of
me,
but
I
will
I
will
say
that
I
just
looked
at
the
calendar
last
week
with
Zara,
and
we
have
had
six
weeks
in
a
row
with
one
to
two
weddings
down
there
on
every
weekend.
So
I
think
as
a
snapshot,
and
this
is
with
zero
advertising
or
promotion.
So
I
think
that
as
a
snapshot,
there's
a
real
pent-up
need
for
available
low-cost
comfortable
space
for
our
community
to
gather
in.
J
P
C
N
N
You
know
Gathering
space,
trying
to
look
at
some
different
tiers
of
size.
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
right
now
we've
struggled
with
is
we've
got
two
pretty
big
rooms
down
at
the
community
center
that
are
available
for
the
public
and
those
tend
to
be,
in
some
cases
a
little
bit
too
big
for
the
small
thing
and
too
small
for
the
big
thing
and
so
trying
to
have
a
few.
You
know
if
you've
got
a
social
worker
looking
to
meet
with
a
family
of
two
or
three
and.
N
D
O
That
they
want
to
that
need
it
needs
to
be
really
fully
fleshed
out
and
the
details
of
where
things
go
and
how
they
shouldn't
be
functioning.
You
know
so
so
that
I
think
there's
still
opportunity.
Certainly
I
mean
certainly
opportunity
for
the
city
to
sort
of
say
you
haven't
known
a
little
bit
of
this
a
little
bit
of
that,
so
I
think
there'll
be
more
chances
to
to
have
that
conversation
in
the
community
and
with
you
all
thank.
N
D
N
A
F
Oh
I'm
Jess
Whitnall
I'm,
a
member
of
the
library
committee,
oh
yeah,
so
we've
been
able
to
hear
some
of
these
updates
on
our
previous
meetings.
I
just
wanted
to
come
and
express
basically
my
encouragement
for
Council
to
support
this
I
think
this
represents
a
once
in
a
generation
opportunity
to
partner
with
a
group
like
Champlain
Housing
Trust
and
to
really
be
kind
of
using
their
Strategic
investment
to
build
really
important
resources
for
our
computer.
Community
I.
F
Think
both
the
library
and
the
gym,
that's
being
considered
would
be
incredible
value
ads
and
really
I
know
that
they're
working
really
hard
to
keep
the
price
per
square
foot
very
affordable
and
that
we
as
Community
really
need
this
investment
so
as
they
start
to
approach
budgeting
discussions
and
really
start
to
decision.
What
this
final
program
is
going
to
look
like
I
just
encourage
the
city
and
Council
to
encourage
that
kind
of
big
picture
thinking
for
our
community.
Thank.
E
H
A
I
Can
everyone
hear
me,
yes,
hi
everyone
great
to
see
you
all
as
most
or
any
of
you
already
know,
I
am
Jasmine
the
new
Housing
Initiative
director
for
the
city,
I'll
just
say
a
little
bit
about
myself.
So
I
am
a
macro
level.
Social
worker
I
have
previous
work.
Experience
and
housing
case
management.
I
used
to
work
at
cots
so
familiar
in
some
way
with
the
housing
landscape
in
the
area.
I
also
have
experience
working
in
food
insecurity,
policy,
I've
done
research
on
childhood
homelessness
and
then
I
also
did
substance.
H
That's
a
statement
from
winooski's
master
plan.
The
work
plan
might
include
policy.
It
might
include
research
and
collaborations.
She
is
Consulting
with
housing
organizations
and
people.
Anyone
with
a
perspective
on
housing
that
would
inform
that
work
plan.
So
if
anyone
is
interested
in
shaping
housing,
Winooski
you're
welcome
to
reach
out
to
her
at.
A
A
E
H
C
A
A
P
Yep,
so
you
did
see
these
at
your
previous
meeting.
We
just
are
bringing
them
back
before
you
for
the
formal
introduction
and
setting
of
the
public
hearing.
Minor
amendments
were
made
based
on
your
feedback
from
the
last
time
to
the
dog
licensing
section,
in
an
effort
to
make
it
clearer
as
to
when
those
fees
were
due.
G
P
Your
first
meeting
in
June
would
give
us
time
to
do
that
public
hearing
they
would
then
have
the
fees
would
be
in
effect.
Just
after
the
start
of
the
new
fiscal
year,
there
will
be
a
few
days
where
the
new
fees
will
not
be
in
effect.
So
it's
30
days
from
the
date.
You
have
your
public
hearing
and
approval
for
the
fees
to
be
inactive
activated.
A
D
B
A
P
H
C
E
B
A
P
A
H
H
I,
if
you
don't
mind
all
right
so
just
some
background
of
this
grant
I
think
several
of
you
have
probably
not
seen
this
before
so
when
I
spent
a
little
time
for
both
for
your
benefit
as
counseling
for
the
public.
So
in
2016,
the
city
of
Winooski
allocated
250
000
for
the
purpose
of
establishing
a
small
business
revolving
Loan
Fund
known
as
the
Winooski
small
business
loan
program.
H
An
agreement
was
made
between
the
city
and
opportunities,
Credit
Union
for
the
city
to
deposit
the
funds
with
ocu
opportunities,
Credit
Union,
and
for
ocu
to
service
the
program.
The
purpose
of
this
program
is
to
assist
Winooski
businesses
in
obtaining
financing
for
a
wide
range
of
business
needs,
including,
but
not
limited
to
equipment,
purchases,
leasehold
improvements
and
major
repairs.
H
The
maximum
loan
for
this
program
is
75
000
and
the
minimum
minimum
loan
amount
is
five
thousand
dollars.
So
the
committee
is
Char.
The
committee
that
reviews
applications
to
recommend
a
council
is
chartered
to
comprise
of
the
city
manager,
Finance,
director,
Planning
and
Zoning
manager,
and
two
community
members.
There
was
a
typo
in
the
cover
sheet.
It
is
to
be
staffed
by
the
community
economic
Economic,
Development
officer.
However,
we
do
not
have
that
position
at
the
moment.
So
without
that
position
the
city
manager
is
both
stabbing
Staffing
and
serving
on
that
committee
for
transparency
purposes.
H
Just
want
folks
to
understand
that,
and
so
this
new
loan
application
eligible
for
the
Winooski
small
business
loan
program
has
been
referred
by
opportunities.
Credit
Union
for
consideration
by
the
Winooski
small
business
loan
committee.
The
council
appointed
law
committee
met
on
May
12th
to
evaluate
that
application
based
on
the
program
criteria
established
in
the
policy
guidelines
in
the
city
fund.
So
to
clarify
opportunities
is
really
the
one.
Judging
the
risk
and
the
committee
is
just
really
black
and
white.
Looking
at
the
criteria
and
the
guidelines,
so
the
committee.
F
H
So
if
city
council
just
to
be
clear,
if
city
council
votes
to
approve
this
loan,
as
recommended
by
the
committee,
The
Loan
program
will
retain
at
least
two
hundred
thousand
two
hundred
thirty
eight
dollars
in
some
sense
for
future
applicants.
The
at
least
is
a
I
won't
get
in
the
details.
Unless
you
really
want
to
know
again,
the
ultimate
disposition
of
funds
is
at
the
discretion
of
city
council,
not
staff,
nor
the
Winooski
small
business
loan
committee.
H
The
applicant
is
here
so,
if
you
have
questions
for
her
that
are
not
related
to
her
business
plan,
financials
or
other
information
that
should
be
considered
confidential
go
ahead.
That
doesn't
leave
much
room.
Admittedly,
if
you
do
have
these
questions,
though,
that
you
would
need
answered
before
you
decide
on
the
application,
you
can
go
into
the
warrant
executive
session.
Q
Sure
my
name
is
Lily:
sickles
I
have
been
in
the
services
in
industry
and
working
with
wine
for
about
30
Years
in
New,
York,
City
and
I've
been
in
this
area
for
about
13
years
now,
almost
14.
I
love
it
here.
So
I
want
to
open
a
I,
am
opening
a
a
wine
store
called
standing
Stone
wines,
it's
named
after
my
tribe
Oneida.
Q
But
I
was
so
many
people
were
so
generous
and
kind
to
me
that
I
knew
that
I
wanted
to
pay
it
forward
in
some
ways
when
I
started
a
business,
and
so
that's
why
I
chose
alcohol
has
not
been
great
too.
The
indigenous
Community,
my
own
father,
died
of
cirrhosis
of
the
liver
and
so
just
to
make
money
off
of
alcohol.
Did
the
same.
Great,
so
that
is
every
month
based
on
sales,
I'll
be
donating
to
a
different
indigenous
cause
and
that's
a
very
important
part
of
the
business
plan.
Q
At
some
point
you
know,
I
have
to
get
up
and
started,
but
I
love
to
do
stuff
for
the
community
as
well
like
have
a
bottle.
Every
month
we're
a
dollar
per
goes
to
a
local
charity.
I
love
when
you
ski
I'm,
very
excited
to
be
a
part
of
this
community.
It's
really
a
wonderful
place,
and
so
I
want
a
wine
store,
and,
after
maybe
I'm
also
going
to
sell
lgbtq
by
pop
locally
made
Artisans
different
crafts
or
an
artwork,
hopefully
maybe
have
some
art
exhibits.
Q
Mary
McGinnis
from
BCA
is
a
friend
of
mine
and
has
offered
to
curate
that
for
me,
I'm
really
excited
about
it.
I
think
that
I'm
going
to
have
great
press
I've
had
a
few
stories
from
WCAX
news
about
my
cancer
treatment
and
they
are
excited
to
do
another
follow-up
when
the
store
opens.
So
that's
like
invaluable
advertising
and
I'm
very
excited
about
it.
Q
I
think
that
the
community
we'll
be
excited
about
it
too
I'm
going
to
specialize
in
10
to
20
dollar
bottles
of
wine,
which
is
about
half
the
price
of
what
most
of
the
fancy
wine
shops
in
the
area.
They
start
around
20.,
so
I
wanted
to
specialize
in
10
to
20.,
but
I'll
also
have
cheaper
ones
and
I'll
have
more
expensive
and
I
want
to
have
like
a
great
selection
of
Vermont
craft
beers
as
well
that
so
it's
kind
of
a
One-Shot
stop
and
I.
Q
Think
a
wine
store
is
great
in
Winooski
because
the
only
other
place
to
buy
wine
is
Beverage
Warehouse
and
they
don't.
They
have
an
okay
selection,
but
they
don't
really
have
anybody
that
knows
about
the
wine
to
explain
it
to
them.
Talk
to
people
about
it
and
I'm,
hoping
to
teach
wine
classes
too
so
I'll
need
an
in-house
license,
a
first
class
so
which
I'm
hoping
to
get
like
in
January
and
then
I'll
have
a
small
wine
bar
too.
Q
H
Well,
thank
you
for
sharing
Lily
here,
I
just
reminded
I
had
a
clarification
I
want
to
provide,
so
the
committee
also
voted
to
clarify
that
the
minority
minority
owned
business
Enterprise
and
a
woman
owned
business
Enterprise
criteria
that
are
currently
in
the
guidelines
that
those
be
a
self-certification
versus
a
formal
registered
certification
to
reduce
barriers
to
access
for
that
those
points.
Basically,
so
with
that,
that's
why
that's
contributing
to
the
recommendation
that
this
one
be
be
approved.
A
A
H
A
B
Q
A
Okay,
hearing
no
more
concern.
Well,
there's
no
public
comment
right,
just
checking
any
public
comment:
no,
no
attendees
on
Zoom
anymore!
Okay.
Hearing
no
concern
do
I.
Have
a
motion
to
approve
the
recommendation
from
the
small
business
loan
committee
motion
by
Thomas.
Second,
by
Bryn,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
motion
carries
thank
you
so
much
Lily.
A
Oh
wait
that
was
either
yeah.
Okay
10A
would
have
been
the
vote
so
we're
we're.
Moving
on
item
11,
we
have
warned
an
executive
session
pursuant
to
one
VSA
section,
3132
about
the
negotiation
of
real
estate
purchase
or
lease
options
related
to
lot.
70.
I
am
looking
for
a
finding
that
we
should
have
this
discussion
in
an
executive
session
as
doing
so
in
the
public
would
put
the
city
at
a
disadvantage.