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From YouTube: Moments with Melinda: Interview with Joe Citro
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From Melinda Moulton:
Vermont Author & Folklorist who has extensively researched and documented the folklore, hauntings, stories, paranormal activity, and occult happenings of New England. He has written: Shadow Child, The Unseen, Guardian Angels, and Green Mountain Ghosts.
11/9/2022
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A
B
B
I
want
to
thank
you
so
much
for
being
with
me.
You
and
I
have
a
lot
of
similar
thoughts
about
a
lot
of
things,
and
but
for
my
viewers,
let
me
tell
them
who
you
are
Joe
citro
is
a
Vermont
author
and
folklorist
who
has
extensively
researched
and
documented
the
folklore
hauntings
stories,
Paranormal,
Activity
and
occult
happenings
in
New
England.
A
B
When
I
was
at
camp
at
ogon's
Camp,
when
I
was
six
years
old
in
New,
Hampshire
I
had
I
first
heard
about
Vermont,
and
it
was
about
a
vampire
bat
that
had
bit
some
farm
boy.
I
mean
I
I.
You
know
that
was
my
and
then
I
went
oh
well,
Vermont!
That's
my
place!
I
want
you
to
know
that
I
did
bring
my
crystal
for
us.
A
B
I'm
going
to
pull
a
tarot
card,
that's
going
to
because
I
do
to
row,
readings
which
I
will
do
for
you
someday,
which
will
Define
our
reading.
For
today,
let's
see
what
I
picked.
Oh
I
picked
the
three
of
coins.
This
is
our
card
here,
Joe,
it's
the
three
of
coins
and
let
me
tell
you
the
Pentacles
and
let
me
tell
you
what
the
meaning
of
that
is.
It
means
Talent,
rewarded,
creative
ability,
bringing
material
gain,
recognition
by
an
employer
status
through
accomplishment,
abundance,
a
new
home
or
place
of
residence,
redecoration
and
pregnancy.
B
A
B
Uh-Huh,
well,
you
probably
would
have
been
you're
looking
I
think
you're
a
little
goth
now
and
and
I'm
goth,
because
I
wear
black
all
the
time,
but
that
doesn't
mean
anything
that
you
wear
black,
but
I
was
a
creepy
kid
and
I
and
I
would
have
loved
to
have
known
you
when
I
was
a
child,
because
I
think
you
and
I
would
have
gotten
along
so
from
an
early
age.
You
had
an
interest
in
horror.
Tell
us
about
what
piqued
your
interest
in
horror
as
a
child.
A
A
My
mother
was
a
reader,
my
father
wasn't,
but
my
mother
was
and
her
recreational
reading
was
sort
of
mystery
stories
like
John,
Dixon,
Carr
and
Conan
Doyle
and
I
Love,
You,
Queen
and
I.
Think
Perry
Mason
was
at
the
lighter
end
of
that
and
yeah.
So
I
I
think
there
was
an
inevitability
about
it.
I
was
just
going
to
be
picking
up
on
weird
stuff.
A
A
I,
frightened
everyone
really
my
brother,
no
I,
I,
don't
think
so.
I
think
he
he
frightened
me
more
than
I
frightened
him
because
he
tended
to
be
sort
of
accident
prone.
So
he
was
getting
hurt.
All
the
time
and
I
was
I
was
trying
to
take
care
of
him.
If
you
read
my
if
you
read
my
short
Auto
bio
you'll
get
some
stories
from
my
brother
and
his
adventures
that
maybe
you
haven't
seen
that
that's
the
the
more
normal
side
of
me.
B
I
have
not
seen
everything
because
there's
so
much
out
there
on
you,
there's
tons
on
you,
but
I
do
have
a
lot
about
you
that
I've
learned
and
I'm
glad
to
know
that
you
have
a
younger
brother
who
you
took
care
of,
because
sometimes
people,
young
kids,
who
are
into
creepy
stuff,
can
scare
scare
their
younger,
siblings
and
I'm.
Glad
that
you
did
not
do
that
to
your
brother,
all
right
so
you're
for
that
so
you're
you're.
What
was
your?
What
was
your
first
interest
in
horror?
I
mean
what
what
piece?
B
What
took
you
there
was
there
I
know
that
when
I
was
three
years
old,
my
father
would
wake
us
up.
I
had
I
had
four
siblings
and
they
would.
He
would
wake
us
up
at
three
in
the
morning
and
March
us
downstairs
to
the
den
where
we
would
watch
shock.
Theater
and
I
was
about
three
and
our
mother
was
asleep,
so
she
never
knew
that
he
did
this.
Oh
look
at
my
shadow
on
the
wall.
That's
kind
of
creepy
and
he'll
even
mark
this
down
and
I'd
be
three
years
old
sitting
there
watching.
B
B
A
That'll
do
it
and
that
would
do
it,
and
he
said
he
supposedly
had
employees
that
lived
in
the
house
after
he
died
to
prepare
to
keep
the
house
up
and
to
prepare
a
meal.
Every
night
in
case
Mr,
Bowman
and
or
his
family
should
shamble
from
the
Crypt
and
come
back
to
the
house
and
arrive
hungry
hungry.
You
need
to
eat,
and
that
would
that
would
be
my
imagination
as
a
little
kid
and
I
think
that
is
probably
the
first
scary
story
that
I
ever
heard
and.
B
You
fell
in
love
with
it
and
you
loved
it
and
you
weren't
frightened
I
was
never
frightened.
I
just
was
enthralled
it
all.
I
was
not
frightened.
So
tell
us
about
some
of
the
horror
books
that
you've
written
you've
written
Shadow
child
the
Unseen
Guardian
Angels
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
your,
your
writing
and
some
of
the
books.
A
So
I
started
to
put
those
together
as
novels
the
first
novel
I
ever
wrote
had
to
do
with
a
guy
who
was
looking
to
prove
that
there
was
a
critter
in
Lake
Champlain,
so
I
I
built
the
whole
story
around
the
possibility
that
there's
a
critter
in
the
lake
that
was
the
first
one
that
was
the
first
one
I
ever
wrote
that
wasn't
the
first
one
to
be
published.
But
it's
a
it's
a
good
example
of
how
I
tried
to
use
legitimate,
Vermont,
folklore
and
and
myth
and
history
to
build
modern
novels.
B
B
Yes,
you
do
you've
been
you've
been
covered
by
a
lot
of
of
great
great
newspapers
and
and
writers.
So
you
are,
you
are
considered
the
bard
of
the
bizarre
now
you
said
in
an
interview
that
you
were
not
weird,
but
indeed
your
fascination
with
the
occult
and
unexplained
paranormal
realities
of
human
existence
does
make
you
a
bit
out
of
the
ordinary.
Yes,.
A
B
A
A
Maybe
that
becomes
more
more
real,
the
possibility
of
finding
out
well,
if
there's
nothing
after
the
veil,
of
course,
we'll
never
find
that
out.
But
if
there
is
something
after
the
on
the
other
side
of
the
veil,
you
know
what
could
it
be
I
frankly,
I,
don't
I,
don't
believe
that
the
Dead
return,
I
I,
don't
believe
in
ghosts.
B
B
So
I
do
believe
that
that
that
ghosts
can
be,
and
often
are,
spirits
who
just
have
not
left
and
we
have
his
brother
come
up
to
try
to
do
an
exorcism
and
everything.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that's
where
you
and
I
sort
of
disagree
have
you
ever
heard
of
a
spirit
holding
down
a
person
while
they
slept.
B
B
That's
not
the
that's,
not
the
image
that
you
get
it's
more
No,
it's
it's!
You
know,
I
know
that
that
that
this
that
he
does
not
have
any
legs
and
he's
floating
and
it's
an
apparition
but
more
it's
the
incidences
that
happen
throughout
our
life
that
we've
experienced
and
then
incidences
that
have
come
gone
from
my
house
to
another
house
where
he
used
to
hang
out
so.
B
A
Let
me,
let
me
just
I
used
to
believe
the
ghosts
were
the
spirits
of
the
Dead
I
agree.
I
believed
that
there
was
some
possibility
that
my
grandfather
or
grandmother
would
come
back
and
communicate
with
me,
but
then
there's
one
thought
that
I
had
that
got
me
thinking
along
different
lines,
and
that
is
there's
no
reason
why
ghosts
should
have
clothing
on,
because
clothing
doesn't
produce
that
just
doesn't
survive.
Death
ghosts
should
all
be
naked
and
if
they're
not,
then
there's
something
other
than
spirits
of
the
Dead.
B
But
apparitions,
but
literally
apparitions,
meaning
a
a
movement
of
a
of
a
light
of
a
of
a
some
kind
of
a
figure,
but
but
that
that
be
said,
I
hope
someday.
You
get
to
see
a
naked
ghost
and
when
you
do,
let
me
know
now:
I'm
gonna,
move
on
to
the
to
vampire
yeah
right,
because
I
have
often
thought
that
I
could
be
a
vampire.
Now.
My
first
scary
movie
was
the
Bella
Lugosi.
B
A
A
B
A
A
B
A
A
A
A
There's
a
poem
by
m
Amy
Lowell
called
oddly
the
Dracula
of
the
hills
where
she
talks
about
that
very
same
thing.
So
Corwin
as
Corwin
was
a
member
of
a
family
and
the
family
was
being
wiped
out
by
something
that
people
then
perceived
as
vampirism
and
called
it
vampirism.
Today
we
would
call
it
tuberculosis,
so
vampires
are
wiped
out
as
long
as
the
disease
is
wiped
out,
but
there
were
a
bunch
of
different
stories
all
around
Vermont
of
families
that
had
a
vampire
in
them.
A
A
B
B
A
B
I
wanted
it
to
be
directed
by
Mark
Nash
or
have
Mark
Nash,
and
then
I
thought.
You
know
what
maybe
I'll
make
maybe
I'll
make
it
make
take
Bram
Stoker's
play
and
have
the
woman
have
a
woman,
be
direct
change,
the
the
genders
of
the
and
so
anyway.
That's
something
that
I
still
have
in
my
heart
to
to
produce
and
to
direct
on
stage
is
Bram
Stoker
and
have
Dracula
be
a
female.
Now.
B
To
this
all
right,
let's
get
back
to
this,
so
the
vampires.
So
you
know
you're
talking
about
the
New
England,
vampire
and
I.
Just
want
you
to
know
that
I've
had
a
lot
of
people
in
my
life
suck
the
life
out
of
me
and
so
I'm,
not
sure
if
they're
vampires
or
not,
but
it
happens
often
as
humans,
that
we
do
have
people
in
our
Lives
who
suck
the
life
out
of
us.
B
I
know
you
have
to,
and
you
have
to
be
able
to
to
eat
a
lot
of
garlic
and
tell
them
to
just
go
on
their
way
that
you're
done
with
them.
Now
you
you,
you
wrote
about
champ,
so
isn't
he
or
she
somewhat
of
a
novel,
Mystic
Legend
here
in
Vermont
and
I,
have
a
friend
who
saw
him
four
times
and
actually
took
a
photo
had
a
photograph
taken
and
it
was
in
Life
Magazine.
Are
you
a
believer
of
champ.
A
Pretty
much
yeah,
the
only
the
only
thing
lacking
big
totally
convinced
is
I
haven't
had
a
sighting,
but
the
evidence
is
overwhelming
and
in
fact
I'm
I'm
working
right
now
on
a
new
edition
of
my
book
lake
monsters,
which
is
about
the
guy
that
comes
to
Vermont,
to
search
for
champ,
so
I'm
I'm,
you
might
say,
I'm
diving
into
champ
again
right
now,
as
we
speak,
that
book
is
in
is
in
progress
and
should
be
out.
I,
don't
know.
Sometime
next
year,
Well.
B
A
A
That's
like
a
beautiful
Vermont
summer
day
where
the
birds
are
flying
and
tweeting
in
the
grass
is
green
and
the
and
and
the
trees
are
full
of
leaves
in
the
air,
it's
temperate
and
perhaps
fragrant
with
flowers
and
everybody
lives,
smiling
and
happy
in
the
summer
land.
That
was
the
notion
that
the
the
American
spiritualists
had
at
the
end
of
the
19th
century.
B
Would
be
a
problem
for
me
too
I
think
I,
think
I
think
I'm
a
bit
of
a
pagan
for
sure
and
I
believe
that
God
is
nature
and
the
trees
are
talking
to
me
all
I
mean
you
and
I
are
just
we're
Kindred
Spirits
now
do
you
want
to
be
buried
or
cremated
I
do
not
want
to
be
burned.
I
told
my
husband.
It's
in
my
will
because
I
believe
that
I
was
a
witch
and
I
was
burned
at
the
stake
in
a
past
Lifetime
and
it
haunts
me
still
so.
B
B
A
You
know
I
I,
I,
look
at
the
evidence
from
time
to
time,
and
some
of
it
is
very
convincing,
but
I
think
there
must
be
another.
Another
explanation:
I
I,
like
the
idea
that
we
have
sort
of
a
combined
Consciousness
when
we
die
that
we
don't
remember,
we
don't
remain
as
as
separate
entities,
but
we
combine
into
one
Consciousness
and
perhaps
in
subsequent
lives.
A
B
A
A
There
was
a
teacher
in
the
Bellows
fall
school
system
who
convincingly
hypnotized
one
of
his
students
and
brought
forth
a
bunch
of
past
life,
experience
about
being
shot
in
the
Civil
War,
the
teacher
and
his
assistant,
then,
and
and
and
and
the
kid
went
back
to
the
place
where
all
it
had
happened
and
was
able
to
verify
a
lot
of
information
that
the
kid
had
given
under
hypnosis.
So
it's
a
very
convincing
story.
A
A
Delighted
to
hear
them
truly
I'm,
very
I'm,
very
open-minded
I'm,
a
researcher
I'm,
very
open-minded
and
you're.
Asking
me
how
I
feel
about
things
right
now
at
this
moment
in
the
here
and
now
so,
which
is
not
to
say,
there's
no
Critter
in
the
lake,
which
is
not
to
say
ghosts
are
not
the
spirits
of
the
Dead,
which
is
not
to
say
that
reincarnation
never
happens,
I'm
just
saying
where
I'm
at
on
those
subjects
and
I'm
willing
to
willing
to
take
another
look
at
anything.
Well,.
B
You're,
an
occultist,
though
I
mean
you're
somebody
who
who
who
who
delves
into
occult
very
bizarre
happenings
that
do
not
fit
in
the
real
world,
and
so
for
you
to
to
be
able
to
write
about
it
and
to
dive
into
it
and
to
in
many
ways,
sort
of
promote
the
occultism
that
lives
inside
of
your
sort
of
pagan
being.
There
has
to
be
some
kind
of
understanding
that
this
stuff
might
actually
be
or
then
or
then
it's
being
that
it's
because
then
it
because
you're,
not
a
charlatan
you're,
not
making
this
stuff
up.
B
B
You
look
so
young.
You
look
very
good
for
75,
you
look
you.
You
have
a
very
kind
and
very
Santa
clausy.
Look
about
you
very
generous!
Now
we're
coming
to
the
end
of
my
show,
so
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
I
just
installed
a
cemetery
on
my
Meadow
and
I.
Did
it
five
years
ago
and
I
am
fascinated
with
death.
B
So
it's
right
near
where
everybody
lives,
and
this
is
where
I'll
be
and
I
know
where
I'll
be
I
know
what
my
view
is
going
to
be
and
I'm
planting
flower
gardens
and
everything
and
I
believe
that
it'll
be
extremely
hard
for
me
to
leave
this
place
and
I
and
I
I
fully
well
realized
that
I
may
become
a
spirit
that
lives
here
for
all
eternity
and
I'm
really
good
with
that.
Quite
frankly,
so.
A
B
Me
stop
by
and
see
you
and
let
you
know
and
I'll
make
sure
I
don't
have
any
clothes
on
so
that
you
know
that
it's
paid
and
you
believe
that
actually
I
am
that
I
actually
am
who
I
am
and
that
and
then
I'm
there.
So
I
hope
that
I
do
I
really
do
hope
that
you'll
come
visit
me
up
here
and
then
I
can
come
visit.
You
I'm
going
to
be
down
to
see
Bob
and
Allison
sometime
after
he
he
in
the
next.
B
You
know
couple
of
months
and
oh
yeah
I'm
assuming
you're
close
to
them
so
I'll.
Maybe
we
can
all
get
together
and
chit
chat
and
I'd
love
to
invite
you
up
to
Huntington.
We
have
a
lot
of
stories
up
here
in
this
town
that
are
fascinating
and
I
I'm,
so
glad
that
you
that
you
are
who
you
are
and
that
you
do
what
you
do,
because
we
need
more
people
like
you
telling
these
stories
I.
A
I
think
my
skepticism
is
really
an
aid
to
what
I
do,
because
with
this
stories
that
I've
collected,
if
I,
if
I
told
them
as
if
I
am
a
believer
that
would
eliminate
a
lot
of
readers
and,
if
I
told
them.
If,
as
if
I
were
a
denier
that
would
that
would
eliminate
readers.
The
fact
is:
I'm
right
on
the
fence
and
I've
been
that
way
for
years,
and-
and
you
know
it's
it-
it
can
be
painful
sitting
on
this
damn
fence
after
a
while.
But
that's
that's
pretty
much
where
I
am
sure.
B
A
A
I
would
I
would
love
to
talk
to
you
about
those
things.
I
I've
had
that
weird
things
happen
things
that
I
can't
explain
things
that
if,
if
I
thought
about
them
differently
might
convince
me
that
there
was
some
something
Beyond
but
I
think
the
fact
that
I
can't
explain
something
doesn't
mean
it
can't
be
explained,
and
you
know,
I've
had
weird
experiences
in
my
own
home
when
I
was
living
in
Burlington
I've
had
a
weird
experience
in
Emily's
bridge
and
Stowe.
B
And
what
brought
us
together
was
my
picture
on
social
media,
about
the
forest
and
how
at
that
stone
wall
at
that
particular
place
in
the
same
Forest.
The
trees
on
one
side
were
beautiful
and
Lush
and
alive
and
colorful,
and
the
ones
on
the
other
side
were
were
dark
and
and
scary
and
and
how
I
believe
the
trees
do
absorb
energy,
and
so
on
that
note,
I
love
your
energy,
I
love,
I,
I,
just
love.