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From YouTube: Interview with David Goodman - Moments with Melinda
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From Melinda Moulton:
David Goodman is a New York Times best selling author of a dozen books, host of the public affairs radio show and podcast The Vermont Conversation, and a journalist for national publications. His most recent book, "Best Backcountry Skiing in the Northeast: 50 Classic Ski Tours in New England and New York," won an award from the International Ski History Association in 2022.
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7/7/2022
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A
A
David
goodman
is
the
new
york
times
best-selling
author
of
a
dozen
books
host
of
the
public
affairs
radio,
show
and
podcast
the
vermont
conversation
and
a
journalist
for
national
publications,
david's
award-winning
reporting
ranges
from
covering
world
and
national
politics
to
the
threat
of
climate
change
in
alaska
and
africa.
The
outdoors
adventure
travel
and
the
impact
of
a
natural
disaster
on
his
hometown
in
vermont.
As
a
long-time
contributing
writer
for
mother
jones,
his
articles
were
part
of
a
package
that
won
the
prestigious
national
magazine
award
for
general
excellence.
A
A
B
B
Then
I
would
say
my
clarinet
teacher
was
a
big
influence
on
me.
I
was
I
was
going
to
be
a
professional
musician,
I'm
supposed
to
be
sitting
in
some
big
orchestra
somewhere
playing
clarinet.
That's
what
I
thought
I
was
going
to
do
at
age
18
and
I
was
deciding
between
going
to
conservatory
and
going
to
college.
B
B
A
A
thrill
for
both
of
us
for
both
of
you,
but
especially
for
him
to
have
his
old
young
student,
come
back
as
an
older
man
and
want
to
study
under
him.
I've
never
heard
you
play
your
clarinet,
so
I
want
you
to
make
sure
that
you
let
all
of
us
know
when
you're
playing,
because
I
would
love
to
come
and
hear
you
play
david.
A
B
B
I
learned
never
to
compete
with
her
again
and
we've
had
a
happy
life
with
two
fabulous
kids
and
what
brought
us
to
vermont
is
love
of
the
mountains.
We
were
weekend
warriors
from
boston
and
sue
got
a
job
in
1991
with
the
then
new
office
of
the
conservation
law
foundation.
It
was
a
new
vermont
office
and
she
came
up
supposedly
on
a
year
fellowship
that
year
has
turned
into
30..
B
We
never
looked
back,
so
we
decided
to
make
our
home
in
the
mountains
instead
of
just
having
weekends
in
the
mountains
and
we
both
love
to
ski
and,
as
you
probably
know,
I've
written
a
number
of
books
about
backcountry
skiing
in
the
northeast.
So
it's
really
nice
to
have
that
back
country
right
in
my
backyard.
B
B
We
did
this.
We
collaborated
against
our
mother's
wishes.
She
said,
don't
do
that
because
you
you
need
a
sister
more
than
you
need
a
co-author
and
it
it
was.
You
know
it
was
a
wonderful
collaboration.
Amy
is
brilliant.
She
is
and
has
an
incredible
mind
for
what
matters
for
what's
important,
for
finding
voices
as
she
says
for
going
to
where
the
silence
is.
You
know
who
are
the
voices
not
at
the
table?
Who
are
the
real
forces
that
are
making
the
news?
B
It's
not
men
in
suits
in
washington,
it's
people
in
communities
all
over
the
world
who
don't
have
the
camera
and
the
mics
turned
towards
them.
So
you
know
the
story.
The
work
with
amy
has
been
wonderful
and
I
think
the
work
that
democracy
now
does
has
been
essential
in
the
world
for
bringing
the
voices
of
the
grassroots
to
a
larger
audience
and
working
with
my
sister.
B
A
Well,
I
think
it's
fascinating.
I
assume
that
amy
is
your
older
sister.
I
think
it's
fascinating
that
both
of
you
ended
up
as
writers
and
hosts
of
your
own
radio
shows.
I
mean
you
both
sort
of
followed
each
other's
careers
in
a
very
simple
in
a
very
in
a
very
fabulous
way,
and
I
think
it's
fascinating
that
both
of
you
ended
up
there.
B
I
think
it
really
is
an
outgrowth
of
our
kitchen
table
in
our
family.
We
would
debate
the
issues
of
the
day
around
that
kitchen
table.
We
had
relatives,
you
know
we
had
a
very
conservative
uncle
who
was
a
sock
salesman
in
the
lower
east
side
of
manhattan.
We
had
more
pro.
They
were
all
immigrants,
they
had
all
fled
russian
immigrants
ukrainian
immigrants
actually
to
be
more
specific.
They
had
fled
persecution
in
russia
and
pogroms
and
such
so.
You
know
there
was
not
necessarily
a
lot
of
agreement
around
the
table.
B
A
Well,
I
hope
your
mother
was
pleased
that
it
all
worked
out
the
way
it
did
so.
Let's
talk
about
your
career,
which
has
landed
you
on
national
tv
shows,
including
pbs
newshour
npr's,
fresh
air,
see
espanzi
span
and
cnn
to
name
a
few
so
david.
What
would
be
your
most
urgent
message
to
our
nation
today?.
B
I
think
to
be
engaged.
I
think
that
you
know
the
the
the
tagline
of
the
washington
post
these
days
has
been
changed
to
democracy
dies
in
darkness.
I
think
I
have
that
right,
but
we
are
at
a
very
perilous
moment
in
our
history,
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
really
formative
experiences
for
me
was
I
reported
from
south
africa
at
the
height
of
apartheid.
B
I
spent
many
years
going
back
and
forth
and
then
sue
and
I
lived
there
for
a
year
when
nelson
mandela
was
president
and
I
wrote
a
book
about
south
africa's
transformation
from
apartheid,
so
I've
seen
authoritarianism
from
the
inside
at
its
height
edit,
the
violence,
the
repression
and
the
ways
that
it
is
justified
by
good
people.
You
know
intelligent
people
who
will
explain
to
you
why
you
know
government
repression,
violent
crackdowns
are
actually
a
good
thing
that
they
preserve
law
that
they
enable
rights.
B
So
I've
seen
you
know,
the
banality
of
evil
is
the
phrase
that
comes
to
mind.
Good
smart
people
telling
me
why
apartheid
in
south
africa
was
a
good
thing,
so
that
experience
has
really
led
me
to
know
how
fragile
democracy
is
and
to
know
how
it
can
so
easily
be
normalized
the
times
we're
going
through
right
now
are
not
normal
half
of
our
population.
B
All
women
have
just
lost
the
right
to
determine
how
their
bodies
you
know
what
goes
on
in
their
bodies.
Every
pregnancy
in
half
the
states
of
this
country
is
a
potential
crime
scene
now,
so
these
are
dire
moments.
You
know,
when
we
talk
about
I've
interviewed
on
the
wrong
conversation.
People
who
follow
it
may
know.
I
have
a
particular
fascination
with
authoritarianism
and
I've
interviewed
a
lot
of
the
leading
scholars
of
fascism
and
authoritarianism.
B
Tim
snyder
from
yale
jason
stanley,
steve
levitsky.
These
are
all
people
written
at
some
length
about
it,
and
you
know
if
you're
at
home,
not
concerned,
I
can
tell
you
that
these
scholars
are
deeply
concerned.
They
feel
that
the
red
flags,
you
know
the
the
authoritarian
playbook,
that
they
speak
about
they're
hearing
it
being
read
from
night
after
night
day
after
day
so
be
engaged
and
at
this
moment
now
be
fiercely
engaged.
A
So
how
so?
How
does
our
country
deal
with
the
fact
that
we
have
the
supreme
court
that
we
have
now
and
then
we
have
a
major
media
outlet
that
basically
is
pushing
the
big
lie
and
and
helping
us
to
move
closer
and
closer
to
fascism?
I
mean
how
do
we
move
out
of
that
with
the
situation
that
we're
in
right?
A
Now,
I
know
being
engaged
is
important
and
I
think
there
were
20
million
people
who
have
been
watching
these
hearings,
but
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
us
citizens
who
are
feeling
helpless
with
the
voter
suppression.
That's
going
on
the
gerrymandering
is
the:
are
the
elections
ever
going
to
be
fair
again
if
all
of
these
changes
are
being
put
in
put
in
place?
So
so
what
do
you
tell
the
common
citizen
who
is
engaged?
A
B
I
think
that
the
answer
to
that
is
that
there's
not
a
single
answer
there
is
everything
has
to
be
done:
grassroots
action,
electoral
action.
You
know
every
kind
of
engagement
and
activism
that
there
is
needs
to
be
mobilized.
Now
it
is
certainly
the
answer
is
certainly
not
just
elect.
You
know,
democratically
minded
people,
we
know,
that's
not
enough.
You
know
the
re
we're
in
a
new
reality
in
as
of
a
few
weeks
ago,
where
the
supreme
court
has
now
been
where
it's
come
to
pass.
A
B
Yes,
so
the
most
recent
one
I
did
is
with
the
new
president
of
the
vermont
law
and
graduate
school
rod.
Smalla,
who
is
a
has,
had
a
storied
career
as
a
civil
liberties
lawyer,
and
I
asked
that
question:
has
the
supreme
court
he's
argued
before
the
supreme
court
he's
a
well-known
first
amendment
lawyer
and
I
asked
him:
does
he
believe
that
the
the
court?
The
justices,
are
now
politicians
and
robes,
and
he
said,
I
believe
that
we
are
perilously
close
to
that.
This
is
not
a
guy
who's
prone
to
hyperbole
by
the
way.
B
B
A
B
B
You
know
farms,
elections,
courts,
everything
was
stacked
against
them
and
you
know,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
governments
rely
on
the
support
and
cooperation
of
their
people
to
function
and
those
people
can
render
governments
unable
to
function.
That's
what
happened
in
south
africa
white
south
africans
did
not
hand
over
power
out
of
generosity.
A
B
A
B
Well,
the
60s
were
a
reaction
by
people
against
you
know
a
war
that
they,
you
know
the
vietnam
war,
which
was
illegal,
unjustified,
wrong-headed
and
murderous,
and
we
see
what
happened.
You
know
people
took
to
the
streets
and
you
know
in
south
africa
they
talked
about
making
the
country
ungovernable
under
apartheid.
A
Well,
it
was,
we
were
also
fighting
for.
You
know
women's
rights,
civil
rights,
human
rights,
I
mean
the
60s
revolution
was
was
just
17
of
the
populists
out
there
fighting
for
all
these
rights,
and
so
who
knows,
but
listen,
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
something
a
little
lighter.
I
want
you
to
talk
about
your
books
and
the
articles
and
the
book
that
you
just
released
this
year
and
you
won
an
award
for
the
best
back
country,
skiing
in
the
northeast
and
the
award
was
given
by
the
international
ski
history
association.
B
B
I
was
a
you
know,
budding
freelance
writer
in
the
in
in
my
20s
I
had
just
written
a
story
called
the
northeastern
renaissance
about
the
revival
of
backcountry
skiing
in
the
northeast.
When
I
got
a
call
from
the
appalachian
mountain
club
asking
me
if
I'd
like
to
write
a
book
about
skiing
and
they're,
a
hiking
organization-
and
they
didn't
know
much
about
skiing,
so
it
could
be
whatever
I
wanted,
and
I
was
a
history
major
in
college
and
I
loved
the
history.
B
So
I
began
traveling
around
the
northeast.
Finding
the
trailblazers
who
cut
the
original
trails
and
trying
to
go
find
many
of
them
because
many
of
them
were
no
longer
had
you
know,
while
they
were
the
only
trails
of
the
day
they
later
had
chair
lifts
put
on
them.
So
I
went
and
found
the
ones
that
didn't
have
chair
lifts.
Put
on
them
and
they
all
had
a
rich
history,
a
rich
culture
and
the
story
of
skiing
and
then
is
really
the
story
of
how
the
northeast
was
settled.
B
You
know,
vermont
was
a
very
poor
rural
agrarian
state
in
the
1930s
and
a
state
forester
named
perry
merrill
thought.
Well.
Maybe
if
I
send
people
the
civilian
conservation
corps
to
cut
ski
trails,
it
could
help
this
poor
little
state.
So
I
began
going
around
finding
those
trails
and
slowly
over
these
30
years,
a
whole
subculture
rose
up
and
now
today,
backcountry
skiing
is
incredibly
popular
and
no,
I
did
not
time
these
books
to
come
out
during
a
global
pandemic,
but
that
didn't
hurt
the
interest
in
them.
A
B
So
it's
both
an
article
and
podcast
twice
a
week
but
depending
if
I
have
two
guests
or
one,
and
that
has
I
have
really
loved
doing
these
conversations.
I
have
a
very
free
hand
and
you
know,
what's
wonderful
with
vermont
digger,
it's
a
vermont
based
publication,
but
I
can
cover
national
and
international
topics
and
local
topics
and
that's
what
you
find
there.
So
you
know
recently
I
had
on
the
doctor,
whose
case
legalized
abortion
in
vermont,
dr
jack
beecham,
now
80
years
old.
B
It's
why
abortion
was
legalized
in
vermont
a
year
before
roe
v
wade.
That's
one
of
my
favorites.
I've
had
famous
people,
jamie
raskin,
the
congressman
was
on
last
month,
jane
mayer,
the
investigative
journalist
for
the
new
yorker
had
her
on.
So
I
have
on
journalists
activist
bill.
Mckibben
was
my
guest
last
week
talking
about
his
latest
book
and
activism.
B
A
B
I
am
one
of
those
people
who
is
an
eternal
optimist,
even
as
dire
and
dark
as
the
situation
we
are
in
now
I
have
seen
light
come
from
darkness.
I
have
seen
good
things
come
out
of
bed.
I
do
believe
that
every
challenge
has
incited
an
opportunity.
I
saw
democracy
come
from
authoritarianism
in
south
africa.
You
know
my
family's
own
story
fleeing
persecution
in
you,
know
russia
and
eastern
europe
and
coming
to
have
a
life
here.
B
A
Well,
david
goodman,
you
are
a
gem
to
my
viewers.
You
can
learn
more
about
david
at
d,
goodman
d,
goodman.net.
I
encourage
you
to
visit
david's
website
and
learn
more
about
him
and
about
his
incredible
work
and
to
you,
my
friend,
it's
been
a
delight.
Knowing
you
all
these
years,
I
so
honor
you
and
I
love
you
and
I
thank
you
for
all
that
you've
done.
I'm
gonna
ask
you
to
stay
on
after
the
show,
so
I
can
do
that
privately.
But
to
my
viewers,
thank
you
for
joining
us
today.