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Hosts Jimmy Leas and Danaka Katovich interview guests Peter Bingham and Richard Joseph. Peter Bingham, MD, Chief of Pediatric Neurology at UVM Medical discusses the effect of hundreds of 115-decibel F-35 training flights per month on the heath and cognitive development of children in the flight path.
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A
A
He
is
also
a
professor
at
the
larner
College
of
Medicine
at
the
University
of
Vermont
Dr
Bingham
is
a
graduate
of
Harvard
College
and
the
Columbia
College
of
Physicians
and
surgeons.
His
clinical
work
spans
the
range
of
pediatric,
neurological
conditions
he's
the
author
or
co-author
of
more
than
65
medical
research
papers.
His
ongoing
research
is
in
the
area
of
neural
rehabilitation
and
Richard.
Joseph
is
an
artist
living
and
working
in
the
flight
path
of
the
F-35
in
Winooski.
A
Vermont,
he's
long
been
involved
in
the
campaign
against
the
F-35
and
he's
particularly
been
interested
in
the
effect
of
military
jet
noise
on
the
hearing,
learning
and
cognitive
development
of
children,
Richard
graduated
from
Dartmouth
College
with
a
degree
in
philosophy
and
from
the
Art
Institute
of
Chicago,
with
a
master
of
Fine
Arts.
His
paintings
have
been
exhibited
in
Galleries
and
museums
in
the
U.S,
Europe
and
Latin
America
and
are
represented
in
the
permanent
collections
of
the
Art
Institute
of
Chicago
and
the
Museum
of
Modern
Art
in
San.
A
Francisco
I'd
like
to
just
show
one
picture
before
we
get
started.
It's
from
a
training
for
Health,
Care
profession,
providers
that
was
put
out
by
the
World
Health
Organization
called
children
and
noise
and
I'm
just
going
to
show
a
picture
of
the
human
ear.
First,
where
you
can
see
the
inner
workings
of
the
ear,
specially
notice,
the
cochlea
and
the
auditory
nerve.
A
Now,
in
the
next
picture,
we're
going
to
look
inside
the
cochlea.
This
is
the
area
where
sound
is
sensed
in
our
ears
and
we're
going
to
look
at
a
picture
of
the
damn.
The
cochlea
is
lined
with
hair
cells
and
those
hair
cells
vibrate
with
noise,
and
that
vibration
is
transmitted
to
the
brain
by
that
nerve.
A
So
this
picture
is
a
scanning
electron
micrograph,
showing
a
normal
hair
cell
in
the
cochlea
and
a
noise
damaged
hair
cell,
and
you
can
immediately
see
the
physical
effect
of
too
much
high
intensity
noise.
It
could
be
a
long
exposure
to
high
intensity.
It
could
be
an
immediate
prompt
if
the
noise
level
is
high
enough
or
it
could
be
from
repeated
exposure
to
noise
at
a
lower
level.
A
The
air
force
in
its
environmental
statement
said
that
repeated
exposure
to
noise
at
the
level
of
the
F-35
can
cause
hearing
damage,
and
this
is
the
kind
of
damage
that
they
were
talking
about.
So
now,
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
Richard,
who
has
important
questions
for
Peter
Bingham.
Please
take
it
away.
Richard,
okay,.
B
C
Thank
you.
A
neurotoxin
is
defined
by
the
National
Institutes
of
Health
as
any
exposure
that
alters
normal
nervous
system
function.
That
could,
in
principle
include
either
the
peripheral
nervous
system,
as
was
just
mentioned,
the
cochlea
or
the
central
nervous
system
so
and
I
realize
that
it's
it
may
sound
unusual
to
talk
about
an
experience
as
neurotoxic.
C
We
know
that
experience
grows
the
brain,
it's
not
just
nutrition
and
good
breathing,
and
so
there's
lots
of
examples
of
impaired
neurodevelopment
and
effects.
Anatomic
effects
on
the
brain
from
what
I
could
call
toxic
experiences
deprivation,
for
example,
animal
models
of
this
and
clinical
studies,
so
there's
more
to
say
about
how
it
could
be
how
it
acts
as
a
neurotoxin.
B
C
And
this
is
an
unfolding
story:
we've
known
for
decades
that
children
who
are
sitting
near
noise
have
poorer
test
results,
poorer
reading
and
poor
self-control,
and
that
when
we
change
that
it
improves
so
I
think
that
brings
up
the
point
about
reversibility.
It's
not
answering
your
question
about
mechanism,
but
we're
still
learning.
How
irreversible
are
these
effects
of
loud
noises,
even
single
brief
Extremely
Loud
Noises,
but
it
has
to
do
with
the
ears
more
or
less
as
an
antenna
for
the
brain.
C
We
don't
close
our
ears
like
we
can
close
our
eyes,
so
it's
basically
propagating
waves
into
the
networks
of
the
brain
that
is
sound
in
general
and
it
is
the
most
Exquisite
processor
that
we
have
in
the
brain
when
we
are
understanding
each
other
in
speech
and
as
children
hear
their
parents
speak
they're,
making
a
processor
distinctions
that
the
100th
of
a
second.
So
it's
the
most
rapid,
fast
processor,
if
you
will,
as
a
computer
in
the
brain
very
fragile.
C
Therefore,
so
from
animal
models
and
epidemiological
studies,
exactly
how
this
happens
is
still
an
unfolding
story,
but
in
a
sense
in,
in
effect,
the
construction
of
the
networks
on
which
we
depend
on,
for
which
we
wish
the
best
kind
of
processing
networks
for
our
children
are,
in
effect
not
growing
right.
We
we.
This
is
an
electrical
process
I'm
talking
about
it
as
a
software
of
the
brain
kind
of
metaphor
and
the
brain
was
evolved
over
millions
of
years
as
a
kind
of
an
agreement.
C
What
should
my
environment
be
and
so
that
I
can
use
this
gift
of
my
brain
as
well
as
it
can
be
used
and
when
we
expose
it
to
aberrant?
Never
before
seen
on
the
planet
or
heard
experiences
and
sounds
like
over
80
90
decibels,
you're
really
messing
up
those
networks,
and
we
know
that
children
don't
hear
as
well,
even
if
their
audiometry
isn't
abnormal
that
it's
changed
their
ability
to
understand
language
I
hear
from
parents.
C
C
C
That's
most
easily
seen
at
the
level
of
the
cochlea,
which
is
part
of
the
peripheral
nervous
system
and
the
pictures
we've
just
seen
and
talked
about
are
about
that.
So
so
far,
there's
it's
not
as
though
somebody
say
autopsy.
You
could
show
the
effect
on
networks.
We
know
from
animal
models
that
there's
beta
amyloid.
We
associate
this
with
Alzheimer's
disease
is
built
up
in
the
hippocampus
in
animals
in
mice,
exposed
to
noise.
C
C
There's
good
evidence
epidemiologically
from
almost
a
dose
response.
How
close
are
you
to
the
airport?
What
is
your
likelihood
of
developing
dementia
epidemiological
studies
on
millions
of
people
in
some
cases,
from
Europe
that
dementia?
We
know,
without
always
the
pathology
that
we've
been
talking
about
sorted
out,
but,
yes,
memory
problems
are
seen
in
children
exposed
to
noise
and
later
in
life.
Dementia
is
closely
linked
to
noise
exposure.
B
So
that
leads
into
the
next
question
is
a
part
of
what
you
just
said:
the
long
and
short-term
impacts
of
this
on
these
children,
because
you
know
we
have
children
from
infancy
through
to
adulthood
growing
up
exposed
to
this
kind
of
noise
in
Winooski
and
South
Burlington.
What
what
would
you
expect
the
lives
of
these
children?
How
would
they
be
impacted
by
this.
C
Everything
we
know
and
have
known
for
decades
says
that
their
reading
will
be
impacted.
They're
learning
their
performance
on
standardized
tests
will
be
impacted
by
this
daily,
repeated
exposure
to
and
depending
on
where
they're
sitting
well
over
90
decibels
of
sound
hard
to
measure
and
I.
Compare
this
to
lead
poisoning
50
years
ago.
The
paint
companies
were
saying.
No,
no,
don't
worry
about
lead,
it's
fine!
It's
just.
You
know
good
good
colors
and
we
have
a
similar
situation
now
with
people
describing
noise
as
a
nuisance.
Temporary
you'll.
C
It
that's
not
what
I
know
and
that's
not
what
the
medical
literature
says
and
I
imagine
that
people
listening
to
us
talk
now
are
living
with
some
degree
of
cognitive
impairment
not
to
such
that
they're
demented,
but
affecting
reading,
which
has
to
do
with
the
auditory,
brain
and
affecting
memory,
and
even
mental
conditions
such
as
depression
have
been
linked
to
this.
So
that's
a
sketch,
which
is
without
numbers,
the
impact
you
can
imagine.
We
meet
somebody
who
had
a
lead
level
of
20
and
they're
doing
fine.
B
C
We
want
to
set
that
up
right
and
that's
all
about
experience.
That's
why
children
go
to
school
and
that's
what
learning
is
all
about,
and
there
is
plenty
of
evidence
at
different
levels,
from
animal
models
to
epidemiology,
electrophysiology
and
human
beings
that
the
brain
is
adversely
affected
by
noise
exposure.
B
C
B
C
C
We
are
wired
to
receive
noise
as
a
threat
and
we've
most
of
us
have
had
this
experience.
A
sudden
noise
does
that
startle
response
that
fight
or
flight
the
pulse
goes
up.
The
blood
pressure
goes
up,
and
even
if
you
know
oh,
no,
that's,
okay,
that
wasn't
actually
dangerous,
and
even
if
it's
not
sudden,
it's
still
any
loud
noise
will
elicit
that
stress
response.
That's
just
the
way
we
are
wired
and
that
does
not
go
away
so
quickly.
C
What's
more,
when
repeated
that
becomes
a
new
framing
of
our
Network,
so
I
think
that
even
like
the
brief,
the
brevity
of
it
is
less
important
than
the
repetition
and
the
intensity
of
it
as
I.
Think
of
its
effect,
and
the
stress
response
has
its
own
time
scale,
not
to
mention
a
transient
change
in
our
capacity
to
hear
that
goes
on
for
hours
after
a
loud
exposure.
B
A
A
A
C
Mean
I
think
there's
a
good
reason
why,
as
families
and
communities
we've
learned
to
really
watch
out
for
our
children
in
all
kinds
of
ways,
they
are
at
risk
in
their
developing
judgment
and
just
this
neuroplasticity
neurodevelopment.
So
your
point
is
well
taken
that
any
threshold
so
arbitrarily
said,
as
an
improvisation,
on
what
the
rule
should
be
as
we
find
out,
the
impact
is
going
to
be
actually
even
more.
You
know
less
sensitive
to
what's
going
on
for
a
child,
so.
C
A
Children,
so
here
we
have
in
in
Winooski
in
South
Burlington
in
Burlington
and
Williston,
we
have
lots
of
children
being
born
every
every
month
and
they've
just
gone
through
nine
months
in
utero
and
now
they're
born
and
they're
being
exposed
to
this
115
decibel
noise
dozen
times
a
day,
hundreds
of
times
a
month,
thousands
of
times
a
year
I
mean.
Is
there
any?
Is
there
any
argument
anybody
can
make?
Take
the
opposite
point
of
view
that
this
is
okay
or
good
for
them.
Yeah.
C
I
think
it's
a
good
question
of.
Why
have
we
neglected
this?
If
we
have
known
this
all
this
time,
there
is
an
amount
of
glorification
of
noise
in
our
society.
I
think
that
noise
loud
noise
I
have
neighbors
who
seem
to
practice.
This
are
a
sign
of
power
and
capacity,
and
and
also
it's
a
nuisance,
okay,
but
this
is
what
we
need
to
do
or
there
are
jobs
or
the
economy,
but
anyhow,
that's
not
I
think
the
fundamental
attitude
that
we
have
about
caring
for
our
children.
It's.
A
C
I'm
offering
some
speculations
about
how
did
we
get
to
this
point
of
obliviousness
when
we've
had
the
scientific
evidence
for
all
this
time
of
not
only
that
in
workplaces,
accidents
increase
accidents
because
of
your
attention
is
fragmented,
increased
depression.
Even
suicide
has
been
linked
to
noise
exposure.
C
A
One
thing
we
we
learned
During
the
period
before
the
F-35
arrived,
was
that
the
Congressional,
in
particular
the
Congressional
Delegation,
the
governor
and
the
mayor
of
Burlington,
seemed
to
be
working
together
to
not
meet
with
people
who
were
concerned
about
this
issue.
They
didn't
want
to
talk
about
it.
A
They
didn't
want
to
hear
it
was
kind
of
ironic
that
it
was
a
hearing
issue
and
they
didn't
want
to
talk
and
listen
and
I
I
had
participated
on
other
issues,
going
back
to
the
Iraq
War
to
talk
to
talk
to
our
Congressional
Delegation,
but
they
just
didn't
want
to
hear
about
this
one,
and
that
made
me
feel
like.
We
must
be
on
to
something
here,
because
if
they
don't
even
have
an
answer,
a
reasoned
answer,
that's
why
they
wouldn't
want
to
talk
about
it
and
hearing
hearing
what
you're
saying
today.
A
It
really
raises
the
question:
why
would
we
be
doing
this
in
a
city
location
where
we
have
with
there
are
over
1
000
children
in
this
very
small,
intense
noise
zone
of
the
F-35
that
was
delineated
by
the
Air
Force
itself?
In
the
environmental
impact
statement,
they
said
that
20
of
the
population
are
children
and
six
thousand
six
hundred
people
live
in
that
oval-shaped
area
around
the
runway.
We
have
the
tightest.
We
have
a
intense
population
right
around
the
runway.
Why
would
you
pick
of
the
18
runways
in
Vermont?
A
Why
would
you
pick
the
one
with
the
highest
population,
the
most
children,
for
a
for
a
military
jet
that
could
be
positioned
in
any
of
the
other
locations?
Even
if
you
wanted
to
keep
it
in
Vermont,
certainly
across
the
lake
we
have
actually
an
old
Air,
Force
Base
they
could
be
in,
but
that's
in
New
York.
For
some
reason
it
couldn't
be
located.
I,
don't
know
why.
But
if
there
isn't
really
a
dense
population
around
that
one
or
around
many
of
the
other
18
airports
in
Vermont,
one.
C
Out
of
12
kids
has
some
degree
of
sensory
neural,
hearing
loss
of
injury
to
the
cochlea.
There
could
be
different
reasons
for
that,
besides
noise,
but
we
know
noise
is
an
important
contributor
to
that
and
I
realize
that
change
is
hard
I'm.
Not
a
policy
maker
and
I
haven't
done
that
job,
but
I
am
hopeful
that
there
can
be
a
real
conversation
of
what's
at
stake
in
our
communities
for
our
children.
A
One
other
question
that
that
Danica
wanted
to
raise
with
you
was
that
code
pink
just
his
background.
She's
a
co-director
at
code,
pink
women
for
peace
and
they've,
been
very
much
involved,
especially
in
the
last
year,
in
calling
for
grounding
the
F-35
nationally
and
internationally
and
they're
organizing
with
people
in
different
countries
in
different
cities
in
Madison
Wisconsin,
the
F-35,
the
first
F-35
jet
arrived
for
basing
there
last
week
so
we're
looking
at
an
expansion
of
this
situation.
A
It's
not
just
going
to
be
in
Burlington
it's
going
to
other
cities
around
the
country
and
around
the
world,
and
her
question
was
when
they
organize
a
day
of
lobbying
in
Congress,
and
they
have
these
periodically
they're
planning
on
having
one
focusing
on
the
F-35.
What
would
be
something
they
could
say
to
a
congressman
or
a
senator
about
why
this
shouldn't
be
based,
especially
in
a
city
like
here
in
Vermont,
the
most
densely
populated
cities
in
the
state
is
where
it's
being
based,
but
also
well.
C
Let's
start
with
that,
I
mean
I.
Think
we've
been
talking
about
all
of
the
issues.
We
wouldn't
say
it's:
okay
for
a
child
to
have
a
lead
level
of
10
or
20
and
not
fix
the
water
supply,
and
we
are
in
a
very
analogous
situation.
I,
don't
know
how
exactly
to
compare
that
level
to
sound
exposure,
but
it's
a
very
similar
overlooked
poison
in
effect
to
the
nervous
system.
C
So
I
just
think
it's
everything
we've
been
talking
about
school
performance
and
if
you
question
the
evidence,
I'll
be
happy
to
contribute
to
the
discussion
about
you
know.
We
know
epidemiological
evidence,
isn't
absolutely
about
cause
and
effect,
but
they
did
the
study,
children
near
the
airport
and
then
the
airport
was
closed
and
then
their
reading
improved.
So
that's
pretty
compelling
as
a
natural
experiment,
for
example,
that
we
know
that
changing
the
sound
level
there's
a
corresponding
change
in
test
scores,
behavior
and
reading.
So.
B
C
A
Right
well
with
hearing,
we
do
know
that
the
Air
Force
admits
they
say
so
right
in
the
environmental
impact
statement
that
at
first
this
hearing
damage
goes
away
and
you
and
your
hearing
comes
back.
But
after
a
long
after
enough
exposures,
it
becomes
permanent.
So
it's
not
that
you
become
deaf,
but
that
you
have
degraded
hearing.
C
A
You're
hearing
sensitivity
is
reduced
and
when
and
and
then,
if
you're,
in
a
noisy
environment
at
a
party
or
in
a
social
situation,
you
may
not
be
able
to
understand
as
clearly
what
other
people
are
saying
and
it
becomes
more
difficult
for
you
to
participate
in
those
kinds
of
social
situations
and
this
degrades
the
quality
of
real
life,
especially
as
you
get
older,
and
so
these
are
things
that
it's
not
just
the
children.
But
it's.
If
there's
permanent
damage
to
a
child,
that's
going
to
affect
everything
about
the
rest
of
their
life.
B
A
C
A
So
I
think
that
this
is
something
we
want
to
bring
to
the
city
council
in
Winooski,
in
Burlington,
in
South
Burlington
in
Williston
and
in
the
other
towns
around
the
airport
like
Essex
and
Richmond
that
are
being
affected.
Yeah
well,
I
think
we're
running
out
of
time.
I
really
appreciate
both
of
you
coming.
This
has
been
a
fantastic
discussion
and
I
hope
we
can.
We
can
proceed
further
with
this,
as
time
goes
on,
Skywatch
is
going
to
be
broadcast
on
town
meeting
TV.
A
C
I'll
just
add
that
I
realize
that
part
of
it
is
how
what
can
you
do
you're
there
under
this
sound
and
all
of
what
I'm
saying
I
would
not
want
it
to
frighten
anyone,
but
I
realize
it's
it's
a
concern
to
be
aware.
There
are
some
ways
to
attenuate
the
sound
protect
hearing.
Children
don't
have
that
awareness
of
the
long-term
threat
to
their
well-being,
and
there
are
ways
from
heavy
curtains
to
dampen
sound
to
just
being
aware
and
protecting
your
ears.
As
a
start,
it's
not
the
final
solution
right.
C
A
Nobody
from
the
news
media
has
yet
been
able
as
yet
asked
them
that
question
and
when
they
were
asked
at
a
Winooski
Hearing
in
2021,
they
declined
to
answer.
They
said
we
get
back
to
you,
but
they
never
did,
although
they
did
get
back
on
other
questions,
so
I
think
we've
got.
We've
got
a
good
case
here
and
we
can
win
on
this
on
this
issue.
If
we're
persistent
and
I'd
like
to
thank
our
audience,
thank
you
and
our
participants.
Thank
you
very
much.