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Any
change
requests
from
board
members-
oh
okay,
so
we'll
move
on
to
public
to
be
heard
public
to
be
heard
is
a
time
when
folks
attending
the
meeting
can
speak
to
the
board
about
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda.
If
you'd
like
to
speak
during
public
to
be
heard,
you
can
raise
your
hand
in
the
room
or
use
the
razor
hand
feature
in
the
zoom
application
where
you
could.
D
If
you
move
your
cursor
down
to
the
bottom
of
your
screen,
there's
a
reactions
button
that
will
open
if
you
click
on
that
it'll
open
up
an
opportunity
to
raise
your
hand
if
you
like
to
speak,
please
be
brief.
Please
be
civil
and
I,
see
I,
see
Bruce
post's
hand
was
up
for
four
years.
So
I'll
come
back
to
the
room
here
in
a
minute.
Bruce
go
ahead.
D
G
Yeah,
for
those
those
who
don't
know
me-
and
maybe
those
are
trying
to
forget-
my
name-
is
Shelby
Norton
and
for
full
disclosure.
I've
always
wanted
to
say
that
I'm
on
the
zoning
board,
but
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
sewing
board
on
the
win.
I
Saw,
the
Sign,
welcome
to
the
Village
of
Essex
Junction
I
suspect
they
may
be
changing
that
sometime
soon.
My
point
is
it
probably
it
needs
to
be
I
mean
this
may
already
be
in
the
process.
D
D
H
D
E
J
So,
after
after
hearing
a
concern,
I
believe
it
was
from
Tracy
in
regards
to
the
aggravated
panhandling
section
of
this,
we
went
back
and
spoke
to
the
town's
legal
counsel.
Again
he
had
already
reviewed
this
prior
to
this,
but
he
went
back
and
took
elect,
took
a
look
at
just
that
section
and
since
looking
at
it,
he
is
giving
us
advice
now
that
we
should
just
strike
that
from
this
ordinance,
because
he
feels
that
it
could
be
problematic.
J
I
think
the
opinion
that
we
were
given
was
not
that
it
couldn't
be
successful
or
be
used.
It
was
just
that
he
believed
that
it
wouldn't
be.
It
could
be
contested
in
court.
It
could
be
found
on
unconstitutional,
so
his
advice
was
to
go
ahead
and
strike
it
from
there.
Okay,
that's
the
adjustment
that
we've
made.
E
J
K
L
K
L
L
K
K
K
Don't
think
that
you
would,
you
know,
be
using
that
just
to
Target
people
I,
don't
believe
that,
but
I
I
think
you
should
look
at
other
sources
as
well
than
just
you
know,
a
neighboring
town
and
and
the
select
board
used
CDC
guidelines
for
the
pandemic.
It
might
be
something
you
might.
You
might
want
to
take
a
look
at
yeah.
K
So
it
says
the
use
of
firearms
when
used
for
hunting
in
accordance
with
the
state,
fish
and
wildlife
laws
and
I.
Remember
in
the
previous
meeting
that
the
reference
to
Firearms
other
than
this
was
struck
from
the
or
from
the
ordinance
because
State
Statute
would
take
presents.
Is
that
correct,
okay
and
so
State
statutes
takes
precedence
in
the
case
of
Fish
and
Wildlife
as
well.
K
D
No
I
see
what
you're
saying
I
mean
we.
We
did
have
a
discussion
about
the
the
fact
that
we,
by
by
omitting
other
references
here,
that
we
that
then
State
Statute
does
apply
I,
don't
think
we
wanted
explicit
necessarily
explicitly
say
that
state
statute
applies
because
then
you
could
have
you'd
have
to
put
that
everywhere.
D
K
D
K
So
either
you
know,
I
think
the
statutes
and
the
Constitution
Constitution
take
precedent.
So
there's
really
no
need
to
even
address
that
in
in
this
ordinance,
I
wouldn't
think
it's
a
I
mean
it
isn't
going
to
hurt,
as
you
say,
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
harm,
because
it's
in
a
language
the
way
it
is
because
that
would
take
precedence
over
the
ordinance
anyway.
Okay,
thank.
D
K
K
So
my
point,
in
my
opinion,
is
that
panhandling
should
not
be
an
acceptable
practice
and
the
reason
why
is
when,
if
you
go
to
the
agency
of
Human
Services
a
department
for
children
and
families
that
the
DCF
provides
benefits
and
services
for
over
200
000
vermonters,
that's
almost
one-third
of
our
population
through
23
different
programs
that
they
provide
for
needy
families,
individuals
and
families,
and
then
they
reference
another
nine.
So
there's
of
private
organizations.
K
So
that's
32
programs
that
provide
services
and
help
for
individuals
and
and
families,
and
so
our
tax
dollars
are
going,
are
being
used
for
that
and
our
generosity
as
Citizens
to
various
organizations
provide
help
for
for
these
folks
and
so
I.
Don't
see
any
need
for
people
to
be
standing
out
on
the
corner
panhandling
when
there's
help
available
through
our
state
and
through
our
communities.
H
K
K
Rather,
such
a
range
must
be
allowed
to
continue
to
discharge
Firearms
at
the
same
level
that
existed
as
of
that
date,
and
that
was
upheld
by
the
Supreme
Court
in
the
North
Country
versus
the
town
of
Williston,
and
they
affirmed
the
same,
and
the
last
document
was
a
letter
to
Travis
sebasco
from
Fred
satink
from
the
Vermont
League
of
cities
and
towns,
and
had
to
do
with
the
liability
of
the
town
if
they
start
regulating
fire.
Shooting
ranges.
I
G
Yeah
again,
Hubie
Norton
and
I'm
on
the
zoning
board,
I'm,
not
speaking
for
the
zoning
board,
I'm
speaking
for
myself
and
I'm
here,
primarily
about
the
the
new
ordinance
and
and
the
sound
Provisions
specifically,
but
one
of
the
things
is
I'm,
trying
to
figure
out
exactly
what
part
of
the
current
ordinances
are
being
changed.
Normally,
when
there
are
changes
like
this,
the
old
language
is
lined
out.
New
language
is
inserted.
This
is
not
the
case
here.
G
G
Only
enforcement
action
available
under
those
statutes
is
to
issue
a
citation
which
is
a
criminal
act
and
we
recommend-
and
he
commented
about
you-
know
the
philosophy
of
trying
to
shift
away
from
you
know
criminal
charges
and
move
towards.
You
know
the
ticketing
process,
which
is
you
know,
less
dramatic
or
whatever
so
anyway.
So
again,
I
was
looking
for
a
specific
information.
G
What
what's
where's
the
data
that
says
we
got
a
problem,
you
know,
and
so
he
again
responded
and
said
that
he
suggested
I
fill
out
a
records
request
and
it
sent
me
a
copy
of
the
form.
But
really
that
is
for
like
a
particular
incident,
not
for
General
data,
so
I
didn't
feel
that
that
was
really
gonna.
You
know
answer
the
questions
that
I
had
looking
at
the
police
report
from
the
the
the
police
report
in
the
town
report
for
20
20
21,
there's
five
years
of
data.
G
G
G
That's
part
of
the
confusion,
although
the
some
of
the
descriptions
in
the
part
about
nudity
of
thought,
provoking
I
wonder
if
the
police
department
is
going
to
become
the
fashion
police
here,
but
anyway,
my
primary
concern
was
the
portion
about
dealing
with
sound
6.11,
has
five
pages
on
sound
and
cutting
to
the
chase.
Where
is
the
data
that
supports
introduction
of
a
noise
ordinance
we're
trying
to
address
a
problem
that
doesn't
exist?
G
My
interest
is
in
the
number
of
noise
incidents
or
complaints
that
have
been
handled
by
the
police
department
within
the
town.
Not
the
village
I
heard
comments
about
a
restaurant
in
the
village,
okay
in
the
town
over
the
last
five
years.
What
are
those
numbers
that
say
that
we
need
to
have
a
noise,
as
I
said,
I'm
on
the
zoning
on
the
zoning
board
and
I
will
say
that
rarely
rarely
have
we
had
to
adjudicate
issues
specific
to
noise.
G
The
short
takeaway
is
that
sound,
not
noise
is
very
subjective.
Now
I
heard
the
comment
that
the
fire
chief
wants
to
have
not
have
something
subjective.
Well,
we
live
in
a
subjective
world
this.
This
is.
This
is
an
analog
world.
We
live
in,
it's
not
a
digital
world,
we
think
we're
living.
We
live
in
an
analog
world.
G
G
Subjected
well,
that's
that's
part
of
that.
You
know
it!
No,
that
that's
that's
part
of
the
problem.
Okay,
and
if
you
there
are
it's
measuring
sound,
is
tricky
and
it's
conditional.
Okay,
you
mentioned
measuring
sound
decimeters,
okay,
you
look
up
decimeters
and
it
says
they
are
devices
that
are
commonly
used
by
sound
professionals.
G
Major
sound
levels
now
I'm,
not
a
sound
professional
and
I
suspect
that
the
town
doesn't
have
any
sound
professionals
either.
When
you
measure
sound
one
of
the
things
that
we
heard
in
testimony
is
you
have
to
start
with
background?
Okay,
you
can't
just
go
out
and
measure
some
some
sound.
What
was
the
background
noise
to
begin
with?
There
is
background
noise.
All
around
us
hearing
the
hum
of
something
over
here.
There's
there's,
there's
always
a
decibel
level
to
start
with.
G
The
they're
trying
the
five
pages
are
trying
to
cover
a
real,
complex
subject
set
parameters
for
enforcement.
That
I,
don't
believe,
are
are
reasonable.
I
believe
they're,
unreasonable
one
description
of
noise
noise,
not
sound,
but
noise
says
it's
a
very
subjective
term.
It
can
refer
to
any
unwanted
sound,
but
is
more
correctly
used
to
describe
sound
that
isn't
rhythmic
or
pure.
G
G
G
G
G
That's
confusing
in
itself
to
look
at
that
and
try
to
discern
what
do
those
numbers
mean
and
how
do
you
measure
them
and
Brad
already
made
comments
about
some
of
the
noise
levels?
I
started
looking
into
that,
but
it's
like
it!
It's
it's!
It
gets
complicated,
very
complicated.
Some
sounds
may
be
unpleasant,
very
unpleasant.
This
one
person
not
unpleasant
to
someone
else
so
like
leaf
blowers,
lawnmowers,
emergency
vehicle,
Sirens,
I,
live
on
Sand
Hill,
Road
I,
hear
the
firemen
coming
to
the
fire
station.
G
Sound
is
described
in
a
subjective
manner.
It
says
objectionable
noise
or
noise
that
adversely
affects,
or
will
not
generate
undue
noise
or
create
noise
vibration,
air
pollution,
fire
hazard
or
noxa
submissions
that
will
disturb
or
endanger
neighboring
properties.
These
are
subjective
terms
or
noise
generated
will
be
a
minimum.
G
These
are
those
are
all
terms
that
are
within
the
ordinance
and
they're
subjective
and
they're
there
for
a
reason,
so
that
reasonable
people
can
make
a
determination
about
something
whether
it
is
reasonable
or
unreasonable
and
I
know
that
in
some
cases
you
want
to
have
things
that
are
not
subjective.
This
is
a
case
where
it
is
majoring
trying
to
determine
noise
and
the
difference
between
noise
and
sound
is,
is
subjective
and
needs
to
be
dealt
with
that
way.
G
If,
if
the
political
well
says
that
there
has
to
be
a
noise
ordinance,
I
think
it
should
simply
say
something
like
no
person
shall
create
objectionable
noise
uncustomary
to
the
area,
there's
something
similar
to
that
and
and
that
would
provide
an
Avenue
for
the
police
to
approach
someone
and
says:
hey
you're,
making
object.
Unobject
you're
making
objectionable
noise.
G
It
would
be
like
the
strike,
the
the
entire
remainder
of
611.040
and
just
leave
the
the
parts
A
and
B,
where
it
says
it
shall
be
unlawful
for
any
person
to
make
or
caused
or
maybe
assisted
making
or
continue
any
excessive,
unreasonable,
loud,
sound,
Etc
and
then
B
shall
be
considered.
A
sound
disturbance
in
public
nuisance
provide
the
sound
sources
plainly
audible
from
the
receiving
property.
Those
are
general
terms
and
that
could
be
sufficient
in
order.
G
If,
if
again,
I
would
say
not
to
have
that
in
there
at
all,
but
if
you
must
have
something,
if
you
feel
you
must
have
something
to
to
address
noise,
leave
those
two
phrases
in
there,
but
don't
get
into
the
measuring
decibels
and
excluding
this
and
making
exceptions.
To
that.
It
just
seems
like
a
conundrum
to
me
and
that's
my.
D
N
Hi
Andy
I
think
it
was
me
too
thanks,
Lorraine
on
Center
Road,
interesting
to
listen
to
huby
in
terms
of
wanting
data.
I
personally,
don't
call
because
there's
no
point
in
calling
because
there's
nothing
to
call
because
there's
nothing
on
the
books
to
call
for
that
would
make
a
difference.
I
live
right
next
to
the
Essex
Discount
Beverage
store
and
has
can
keeps
getting
louder
and
louder
and
louder.
So
I
don't
know.
What's
considered
normal
to
an
area.
I
think
Ethan
had
commented
to
me
once
that
something
about.
N
Well,
you
knew
what
your
your
you
were
buying
next
to
it,
and
that
was
already
there
before
it
wasn't
there
before
we
lived
here
first
and
the
store,
expanded
and
more
traffic
has
come
down
the
road
and
I'm,
not
the
only
one
to
make
this
complaint,
but
I
don't
have
anyone
to
make
a
complaint
to
there's.
No,
so
you're
not
going
to
have
any
data
from
the
police
in
terms
of
noise
complaint,
because
there
is
nothing
on
the
books
for
me
to
be
able
to
do
anything
about
in
terms
of
enforceability.
N
I
agree
with
yubi
I,
don't
know
how
you
enforce
something
like
you
know,
all
the
modified
Mufflers
that
sound
like
guns,
going
off
it's
a
fairly
consistent
thing.
There
are
times
in
our
home
that
John
and
I
can't
even
talk
to
each
other.
It
is
so
loud,
I,
don't
think
that's
unreasonable
to
want
to
and
that's
not
a
siren,
that's
just
the
traffic
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
unreasonable
to
want
to
be
in
my
house
and
be
able
to
hear
the
TV
on
a
regular
basis.
So
you
know
part
of
this.
N
To
me
as
well
is
a
health
issue.
It's
not
healthy
to
be
subjected
to
that
kind
of
noise
on
a
consistent
basis
either,
and
it's
we're
the
kind
of
the
canaries
in
the
coal
mine
as
we
expand
our
population
and
we
create
densities
without
any
kind
of
sound
barriers
or
buffers
or
mitigations
for
noise
pollution
and
statistically
those
who
get
hardest
with
noise
pollution
and
and
pollution
itself
from
cars
are
the
people
in
the
dentist
parts
that
live
next
to
roads.
N
So
I
don't
know
that
this
is
the
answer
per
se,
because
I
do
think
that
it
would
be
very
difficult
to
enforce,
but
I
do
know
it.
My
piece
is
Disturbed
consistently
where
I
live
and
I
would
like
to
live
here
and
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
also
maybe
other
ordinances
on
the
books
that
are
disturbing
the
piece
kind
of
ordinances
that
maybe
this
is
not
necessarily
because
maybe
it
would
fall
under
that,
but
yeah
anyway.
The
if
you
have
a
place
for
me
to
complain.
N
O
For
example,
we
had
our
house
redone
and
we
had
very
very
in
we
had
roofers
really
gung-ho.
They
worked
14
hours
and
they
wanted
to
borrow
our
running
headlamps
and
just
keep
going
going
in
the
dark
and
I
have
a
metal
roof.
So
the
sound
of
bang,
bang,
bang
but
I
had
enough
wherewithal
to
beg
them
to
stop
because
they
have
there's
a
newborn
baby
diagonally
across
the
street
from
us.
There's
a
five-year-old
directly
across
the
street
and
there's
two
young
kids
that
live
behind
us,
but
they
would
have
kept
going.
O
I
So
if
I
read
the
ordinance
correctly-
and
hopefully
somebody
will
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I
guess
I'd
be
in
violation
if
I
was
anywhere
near
my
property
line,
cutting
trees
well,
I.
Do
that
all
the
time
so
I'm
concerned
that
a
number
of
these
settings
on
that
table
basically
would
limit
a
person's
activities
near
their
border
because
they
would
then
be
at
the
borderline
and
the
noise
they'd
be
creating
would
be
source
even
a
conversation.
C
M
B
D
D
J
Not
exactly
okay,
so
if
it's
a
residential
or
if
it's
a
commercial
Place,
something
like
that,
we're
certainly
not
out
driving
around
looking
for
people
making
noise
coming
from
their
house.
One
of
the
things
that
we
have
been
asked
to
do,
however,
is
to
look
for
vehicles
that
are
making
excessive
noises
and
that
type
of
thing.
So
in
that
case
we
would
be
patrolling
and
looking
for
those
types
of
things,
but
residential
and
Commercial
violations
that
might
come
up
we're
not
out
there.
Looking
for
those
things,
that's
if
someone
complains.
L
J
And
as
it
stands
now,
because
there
is
no,
there
is
no
standard,
then
we
would
have
to
rely
on.
We
would
have
to
go
out
to
that
call
talk
to
him
about
him
using
his
chainsaw
or
at
least
get
his
side
of
the
story
in
this
case.
If
we
had
this
ordinance,
we
would
be
able
to
say
there's
an
exemption
for
chainsaws.
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
calling
us,
but
there
is
an
exemption
for
for
chainsaws
during
these
times.
Thank.
B
M
P
Right
I
have
a
couple,
so
the
first
one
I
want
to
start
with
is
the
exemption
for
firearms.
I
thought
we
were
all
on
the
same
page
that
we
were
eliminating
even
the
one
that
was
in
coordinates
with
State
and
Fish
and
Wildlife
laws,
because
if
we
refer
back
to
state
statue
which
which
I
thought
we
had
talked
about
was
with
this
exemption,
I
need
to
exempt
livestock
protecting
a
livestock.
P
You
know
it'd
be
like
if
you
know
for
an
example,
if
you,
if
you
had
to
do
it
with
a
with
a
fox
or
anything,
you
could
call
and
get
permission
from
them
from
the
wildlife.
But
my
whole
point
was
that
all
these
things
are
protected.
You
know
for
discharging
a
firearm,
I
just
didn't
understand,
and
you
guys
made
the
comment
that
it
was
so
I
don't
know.
Do
we
need
that
line
there?
Can
we
strike
that
line.
P
P
L
But
I
think
the
the
language
is
in
their
Ethan
just
because
a
lot
of
residents
don't
know
that
you
can
do
everything
in
there
at
least
here
we
could
Point
them
to
something
that
says
it's
covered
right
about
that.
I
think.
That's
specifically
why
that's
in
there
was
left
in
your
is
to
educate
people
that
there
are
laws
that
do
protect,
that
type
of
activity.
L
P
J
J
J
P
P
P
L
P
You
know,
like
I,
think
back's
Milton,
you
know
if
I'm
baby,
Hill
Road
but
I
just
I,
just
don't
understand
we're
going
to
allow
people
to
beg
for
money,
but
you're
not
allowed
to
follow
up
with
a
wall.
That's
been
upheld
since
1846
to
leave
your
house
soon.
I
mean
I'm,
not
talking
about
people
flashing
or
the
incident
that
happened
over
here
on
Susie
Wilson,
where
there
was
somebody
doing
that.
P
P
L
D
L
L
Kind
of
this
is
what
made
him
dissuade
us
from
from
following
up
with
the
aggressive,
because,
if
someone's
being
aggressive,
it
was
pointed
out
by
Tracy
that
that
would
be
covered
under
sort
of
conduct.
An
attorney
I
thought
that
would
be
just
a
suitable
cover
under
sorted
conduct
versus
aggressive
Panhandle.
H
P
A
This
is
why
Burlington
repealed
its
ordinance
in
2018,
frankly
its
protected
speech
to
ask
for
money
and
if
your
behavior,
while
doing
so
becomes
illegal
for
some
reason,
it
would
fall
under
the
disorderly
conduct,
piece
of
the
ordinance
or
state
law.
You
just
can't.
You
can't
just
penalize
poverty.
There
are
other
tools
in
the
toolbox
to
address
any
problematic
behaviors.
So
that's
the
background
where.
P
P
It
really,
it
means
a
whole
lot
to
me,
I'm
just
thinking
we
got
here
because
when
I
read
the
email,
it
clearly
says
that
it's
upheld
by
state
law,
in
which
case
I'm
sure
it
was
contested
at
some
point,
probably
in
Burlington,
where
the
courts
found
that
it
was.
You
know,
protected
under
the
Constitution
or
under
state
law
on
statute.
P
So
that's
why
I
was
just
curious
and,
like
I
said,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
research
about
the
the
whole
public
annuity
thing,
because
I
think
it's
feeling
far
between
and
you
know
it's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
probably
out
in
the
in
the
in
the
more
rural
parts
of
of
the
world
of
our
state,
so
I'm
just
curious
how
one
could
be
upheld
and
the
other
one
can't
be,
and
if
there
is
legal
concern
about
it.
But
what's.
D
E
Way,
the
ordinance
approval
process
works
and
statistics
for
the
town
Charter
is
that
you
you
have
the
pass,
the
ordinance,
which
is
what
you
did
last
meeting.
Then
you
won
a
public
hearing,
but
after
the
public
hearing,
if
there's
no
more
changes,
you
can
adopt
it.
If
there
are
changes
to
from
what
was
passed,
you
need
to
have
another
public
hearing
before
it
can
be
adopted.
So
since
staff
is
proposing
that
we
strike
the
aggressive
panhandling
section,
there's
been
a
change.
I
met.
E
H
M
H
C
D
H
R
R
R
So
we
currently
have
no
loans,
no
liens,
no
bonds
and
had
strong
capital
reserve
practices.
We
have
put
away
money
to
purchase
our
own
ambulances,
do
repair
store,
building
as
needed,
purchase
critical
equipment
like
our
cardiac
monitors,
which
are
around
fifty
two
thousand
dollars
each,
and
as
long
as
we've
had
this
money
to
put
away
we've
continued
to
put
it
away,
we
can
use
it
as
for
budget
deficits
when
they
arise
next
slide.
R
E
R
R
We
do
bill
for
our
insurances.
We
have
I
mean
you
can
see,
there's
a
lot
of
governmental
insurances,
but
there's
also
private
and
then
there's
some
that
are
uninsured
and
it's
a
self-pay.
We
do
receive
donations
for
memorials
and
just
standard
donations,
Municipal
contributions
and
then
rarely
we
are
eligible
for
Grants.
We
did
just
finish
a
grant
with
combination
of
Williston
fire
department,
cold,
faster
rescue,
I.
Think
there's
one
more
entity,
I
can't
think
of
what
it
was,
but
it
was
to
fund
putting
people
through
paramedic
school.
R
R
R
So
the
next
piece
we're
going
to
go
into
is
discussing
how,
when
we
bill
for
transports
how
that's
broken
down,
so
these
terms
are
important
in
understanding
how
the
money
comes
back
to
us.
So
the
charges
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
are
any
costs
that
we
accrue,
that
we
then
Bill
out
for
the
services
provided.
So
if
I
was
to
take
Peter
to
the
hospital
we're
going
to
Bill
Peter's
insurance
company
based
on
a
set
fee
based
on
the
care
that
Peter
was
provided.
R
So
those
are
the
charges,
that's
the
total
charge
to
the
insurance
company.
The
allowable
is
an
amount
that
right
off
the
top.
Is
a
contract
written
off
amount
that
we
will
never,
regardless
of
what
we
do,
be
able
to
get
back,
and
that
number
is
decided
by
Medicare,
so
Medicare
Medicaid,
the
VA
Tricare.
All
of
those
follow
the
allowable
commercial
insurances,
some
of
them
pay
more
than
others.
Some
of
them
follow
Medicare
as
well.
The
expected.
D
H
S
D
R
Different
than
Medicare
as
far
as
reimbursement,
okay,
so
Medicaid
reimburses
a
hundred
percent
at
an
even
lower
rate.
Medicare
is
an
80
20.,
so
they'll
cover
80
percent
of
the
allowable
and
the
patient
is
responsible
for
20,
whereas
Medicaid
will
cover
a
hundred
percent,
but
the
reimbursement
is
like
300
bucks
regardless
it's
capped.
So
I
don't
know
if.
S
R
Medicaid
also
has
you'll
see
it
come
up
this
year.
Our
last
Medicaid
does
a
tax
we're
taxed
for
transports.
I
mean
it's
based
on
our
full
Revenue.
It's
3.3
percent
of
our
all
revenue
collected
that
we
pay
back
and
it
was
in
theory
to
assist
with
reimbursement
at
the
time.
So
everybody
pays
into
this
pool
that
then
pays
out.
Unfortunately,
those
that
have
ambulances
Services
specifically,
if
you
have
less
transports
this,
it
actually
hurts
you,
because
it's
based
on
a
percentage.
R
So
here's
where
we
get
into
more
of
the
data
is
to
wear
this
where
the
money
comes
from.
So
in
our
area.
Medicare
and
Medicaid
pays
64
of
our
total
insurance
Revenue.
So
that's
a
large
portion
of
people
where
it
is
a
fixed
rate.
We
have
zero
impact
on
that,
regardless
of
how
many
of
those
patients
we
we
transport,
so
that's
64
and
the
rest
would
be
Commercial
Insurance,
self-paid,
uninsured,
High,
deductible
plans.
R
You
can
see
that
the
allowable
rate
for
Medicaid
or
Medicare
the
highest
is
495
dollars.
If
you
have
a
200
bill,
that
is
our
two
thousand
dollar
bill.
495
dollars
is
the
max
you
can
get
reimbursement
for
Medicaid
389
is
the
max
that
we
would
receive,
and
that
is
like
I
said
100,
with
no
copay
with
the
patient
versus
an
80
20
for
Medicare.
R
R
So
the
call
volume
continues
to
increase
to
2021,
where
we
at
we're
at
2754
calls
1800.
The
18
1800
of
those
were
billable.
I
will
say
that
we
have
a
good
recovery
of
funds
when
I
when
talking
about
that
on
a
national
average.
The
national
average
is
about
50
recovery
of
the
allowable,
we're
up
in
the
80s,
which
is
actually
really
good,
but
it
still
leaves
us
with
a
deficit.
So
if
you
look
well
just
for
time,
we'll
go
to
2021,
so
we
build
out
1.6
million
dollars
in
charges.
R
R
R
That's
a
really
hard
line
to
walk
to
then
ask
the
family
for
insurance
information
and
follow
through
charging
them,
which
would
probably
be
a
substantial
amount
of
money.
We
have
not.
We
started
to
do
that
and
it
was
proving
to
be
very
unsuccessful
and
not
really
it
was
not
working
good.
So
we
chose
not
to
do
that,
but
that's
very
few.
P
R
Yes,
I
I'll
actually
talk
about
that.
If
you
want
to
hold
and
see
if
I
answer
a
question
next
slide,
so
here
talking
about
this
year,
we're
still
collecting-
and
this
is
back
in
July-
these
stats
are
from
so
they're
a
little
I'm
sure
we've
collected
more
I
haven't
looked
at
that
number
since,
but
we're
still
actively
collecting
so
1.8
million
charges,
1.1
million
is
allowed,
and
so
far
we
had
received
881
000.
R
So
to
answer
your
question:
unpaid
claims,
before
we
had
written
off,
we
started
using
collections
this
last
year.
We
have
about
eighty
seven
thousand
dollars
in
collections,
I'm
sure
it's
a
little
bit
more
than
that
now.
The
reason
we
have
opted
to
stay
away
from
that
in
the
past
is
because
we
never
wanted
anybody
to
not
call
for
an
ambulance,
because
they
were
concerned
about
a
bill.
R
We
have
run
into
situations
that
we
haven't
ever
faced
before,
such
as
insurance
companies,
deeming
a
transport
not
medically
necessary,
so
they
refuse
to
cover
the
bill.
We've
had
people
giving
false
names,
that's
happened
five
times
in
the
last
year
and
then
we've
had
people
who
were
frequently
overusing.
The
ambulance
racking
up
substantial
bills
had
Insurance
wasn't
following
requests
for
information,
so
the
insurance
company
was
denying
to
pay
the
bill
so
those
things
we
can't
fix
and
unfortunately
there
we
can't
just
send
one
person
for
doing
that,
and
not
somebody
else.
R
So
the
best
way
to
do
it
is
to
send
everybody.
We
do
allow
people
to
send
in
paperwork
if
they
are
struggling
financially
and
we'll
look
at
those
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
and
if
you
know
they
their
finances
are
what
would
be
considered
poverty
level
based
on
a
standard
set
by
our
billing
company,
which
is
what
everybody
uses
then
we'll
free
them
of
the
bill
under
those
circumstances.
But
it
does
involve
sending
paperwork
back
which
most
people
don't
and.
S
S
We've
been
considering
it
for
a
number
of
years,
as
Colleen
mentioned
earlier.
One
of
the
things
that
we're
always
trying
to
balance
is
what
is
our
perception
by
the
public
versus
what
is
our
financial
need,
and
so,
typically,
the
people
who
are
unable
to
pay
a
medical
bill
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
pay
the
medical
bill,
even
if
you
chase
them
for.
C
S
We
are
taking
a
step
towards
first
notification
and
that
tends
to
catch
people
who
are
just
avoiding
the
bill
versus
not
able
to
pay
right.
So
we've
tried
to
make
it
as
Equitable
and
Community
focused
by
also
not
harassing
the
people
that
can't
afford
to
pay,
but
trying
our
best
to
recoup
those
open
invoices.
So.
R
They'll
receive
three
notices
that
they
have
an
overdue
payment
and
then
they
receive
a
you're
going
to
be
sent
to
collection
on
the
fourth
time
and
if
they
don't
respond
to
that
letter,
they're
sent
to
collection.
So
there's
plenty
of
warning:
it's
not
just
a
because,
obviously
that's
a
huge
impact
on
somebody's
Financial
well-being.
Yeah.
Any
other
questions
on
this
one,
all
right,
we'll
move
to
the
next
slide.
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So
just
some
information
about
our
organization
compared
to
others
that
compared
to
others,
our
agency
should
operate
on
a
budget
of
2.1
million
dollars.
That's
not
where
we
are.
We
are
1.4,
so
we
are
trying
to
be
fiscally
responsible
increase
call
volume,
as
I
stated
before,
does
not
equal
increased
Revenue
and
anytime.
The
ambulance
rolls
out
the
door
for
a
call,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
they
transport
or
can
receive
any
sort
of
reimbursement.
It's
about
500,
if
you
figure
by
item
fuel
the
Personnel
on
the
vehicle,
it
has
a
cost.
R
So
it's
also
important
to
recognize
what
the
population
composition
is
and
and
whether
or
not
we
have
an
impact
on
that
either
we
have
a
high
elder
population,
especially
here
in
Essex,
and
they
are
the
highest
user
of
the
ambulance.
Although
the
average
rate
age
for
all
of
our
service
areas
is
about
56.,
so
we
do
even
that
out,
probably
with
those
wee-wee
new
ones
to
the
older
ones.
R
That
was
kind
of
surprising
to
find,
but
our
elders
are
on
a
fixed
income,
they're
insured
by
Medicaid
and
Medicare,
which
are
the
ones
that
set
that
minimum
reimbursement
and
so
we're
not
allowed
to
We
Can't,
also
something
called
balance
bill.
So,
if
Medicare
covers
you
know
their
their
portion
of
it,
we
can't
balance
Bill
the
remainder
to
the
patient.
They
have
their
20
and-
and
it's
done
there,
lift
assists
like
I
said
that
we
can
bill
for
those.
Whether
or
not
we
receive
reimbursement
for
them
really
depends
on
the
individual.
S
And
we
should
clarify
too
I
think
this
came
up
in
one
of
the
questions
that
the
lift
assist.
We're
referring
to
here
is
a
lift
without
transport,
so
this
is
an
assist
for
a
patient
or
for
a
person
at
home
who
calls
the
ambulance
service
solely
to
be
helped
off
the
floor.
Refuses
an
assessment,
refuses
transport
right.
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R
P
A
R
So
these
are
based
on
the
dispatch
reason.
This
is
not
based
on.
We
get
there
and
find
out
that
they
have
a
broken
leg
or
they
are
having
a
heart
attack
and
they
passed
out
and
it
came
in
as
a
fall.
So
this
is
only
dispatch
reasons.
This
doesn't
tell
you
anything
about
whether
or
not
they
were
transported
or
does
that?
Does
that
help.
A
R
R
S
To
sometimes
they
literally
call
in
and
say,
I'm
not
injured,
I
just
need
help,
so
that
falls
into
a
particular
category.
It's
a
little
confusing,
because
Falls
can
also
contain
we
get
to
the
residence
and
it
turns
out.
They
said
that
they've
Fallen,
but
they
they
don't
know
the
word
to
say,
Lift
assist.
So
it
just
comes
out
differently.
A
S
H
R
So
some
of
the
challenges
that
are
similar
to
what
you
heard
last
year,
when
we
were
here
fuel,
is
we're
spending
about
eighteen
thousand
dollars
a
month
alone
now
on
fuel.
It
wasn't
quite
that
bad
before
the
reimbursement
rates.
You
know
we
have
our
Elder
facilities
now
that
are
are
well
established
and
I.
Think
that's
probably
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
seeing
this
hurt
a
little
bit
more
this
year.
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R
R
We
have
a
vehicle
that
needs
to
be
replaced
this
year,
even
if
we
were
to
order
it.
We
are
about
three
years
out
because
of
the
whole
line
of
manufacturing,
but
the
vehicle
won't
fit
in
our
ambulance
Bay.
So
it's
not
possible
to
replace
that
right
now
anyway,
and
then
just
the
general,
the
general
building.
We
have
people
that
I
can't
even
put
all
of
my
staff
in
one
room
so
trying
to
figure
out
that
whole
piece
we
planned
on
started
a
capital
campaign
to
build
a
new
building.
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O
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Q
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Revenue
we
are
going
to
do
our
990
differently.
The
problem
with
990s
is
it's
based
on
a
taxable
Corporation.
It's
not
meant
for
non-profits,
although
we
have
to
complete
it
so,
especially
on
page
10.
If
you
look
at
the
item
allocations
it,
it
will
never
match
our
operating
budget
because
it's
not
meant
for
non-profits.
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R
R
Cannot
we
cannot
legally
deny
somebody
access
to
health
care,
so
we
have
to
find
creative
ways
of
handling.
Some
of
those
I
spoke
with
Greg
Pryor
that
you
know
we
I've
had
conversations
with
some
of
these
facilities
who
are
using
the
ambulance
when
they're
waiting
too
long
for
a
non-emergent
transport
that
often
have
to
be
arranged
ahead
of
time
and
when
they're
not
getting
that
need,
met
quick
enough.
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H
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R
There
really
isn't
a
lot
of
interest
in
volunteerism.
Most
of
the
people
that
we
have
coming
into
the
organization
are
Med
school-bound,
PA,
school-bound
nurse
school,
bound
they're
from
out
of
state
they're,
not
locals.
We
get
some
people
like
Peter
here
who
stick
it
out,
but
a
lot
of
times.
These
are
short.
You
know
one
two
years,
average
time
for
a
volunteer
in
the
past
was
about
five
years,
we're
lucky.
S
H
R
The
way
our
model
works
right
now
briefly,
give
you
a
summary
of
it.
The
way
our
schedule
works
is
that
when
people
come
into
the
organization,
they
know
that
they
have
to
work
X
number
of
shifts
a
month,
but
I,
don't
know
why
they
picked
the
numbers
that
they
did
way
before
me,
but
they
did
and
on
the
ambulance
we
typically
have
when
I
started
almost
20
years
ago,
it
was
about.
There
were
five
people
to
one
ambulance.
That's
a
lot
of
people.
We
were
the
clown
car.
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R
We
will
guarantee
an
ambulance
staffed
by
full-time
staff,
which
we
currently
have,
which
will
be
24
7..
We
will
have
one
ambulance
staffed
by
all
paid
staff,
we'll
put
all
of
that
staff
resource
into
that
truck.
The
second
truck
which
we
were
able
to
staff,
partly
before
the
volunteers
and
staff.
We
just
don't
have
the
people.
The
second
trap
will
come
up
with
volunteer
personnel,
only
Staffing
with
a
minimum
of
two
people
per
truck.
R
There's
a
couple
ways:
that's
going
to
benefit
one,
it's
going
to
give
us
an
additional
resource.
Two,
it's
going
to
force
these
people
to
grow
some
confidence
and
Independence
and
function
at
their
actual
licensure
level.
This
is
a
pretty
big
change
for
them.
I
know
they're
capable
of
doing
it.
Otherwise
we
wouldn't
have
them
in
those
positions,
but
that's
probably
the
biggest
thing
is
spreading
that
resource
out,
so
that
we
don't
have
everybody
clumped
in
one
spot,
so
that.
B
S
A
little
bit
of
a
shared
wheel
right
now,
where
you're
everybody
is
in
the
same
boat,
where
the
call
volume
is
going
up
and
the
number
of
resources
that
they
have
to
Street
are
not
matching
that.
So
we
go
into
other
services
when
they
need
us
and
other
services
come
into
here
when
we're
already
out
on
a
call.
Colleen
just
mentioned
the
redistribution
of
the
workforce
to
ensure
that
primary
ambulance
staff
24
7.
S
we're
going
to
throw
out
a
couple
more
terms
so
that
you
know
what
Essex
rescue
is
providing
for.
You.
Als
is
Advanced
life-saving,
there's
BLS,
which
is
basic
life,
saving
in
advanced
life,
saving,
there's
a
EMT
in
paramedicine.
Essex
rescue
only
puts
out
ALS
ambulances,
so
our
ambulance
is
is
when
they
go
out.
The
door
have
that
ALS
capability
every
time,
and
the
redistribution
of
that
Workforce
is
also
helping
us
get
closer
to
another
goal
that
we've
had
of
24
7
paramedicine.
S
and
the
other
thing
that's
coming
back,
which
has
been
waning
the
past
few
years
and
as
Colleen
mentioned
covet,
had
a
big
impact
on
us,
but
the
what
the
volunteers
bring
to
the
table
for
us
is
now
going
to
be
entirely
evident
in
that
streeting
of
the
second
truck
that
becomes
a
real
Banner
to
hold
forth
that
the
volunteers,
together
with
the
paid
staff,
are
now
putting
two
trucks
on
the
street
for
Essex
rescue.
So
again,
there's
a
tremendous
amount
that
we
could
go
into
in
terms
of
how
we've
gotten
to
this
change.
R
S
With
that
caveat
in
mind,
I
think
the
last
vote
so
where
we
get
these
numbers
from
is
are
all
of
our
members
can
vote,
and
we
just
did
a
vote
this
last
September
and
we
had
28
voting
members,
so
that
doesn't
include
the
people
that
Colleen
referenced
to
are
on
leave
and
that
doesn't
include
the
people
who
are
coming
into
our
organization
who
hadn't
gotten
there.
Yet
when
I
started,
we
had
upwards
of
70
volunteers
and,
as
we've
been
talking
about,
the
national
average
of
volunteers
is
waning.
S
We're
seeing
a
volunteer
deficit
right
now,
we're
hovering
right
around
30..
So
to
answer
your
question
8
to
30,
it's
it's
not
where
we
want
to
be
the
workforce
model
that
we're
talking
about.
Also
alleviates
a
lot
of
the
challenges
that
we
were
hearing
from
our
volunteers
that
were
taking
them
out
the
door.
S
P
R
Fully
discharged
this
new
model,
yet
so
we
don't
I,
know
the
hours.
Are
there
if
everybody
stays
with
us
and
is
willing
to
embrace
this
change,
which
I
think
they
will
we
have
the
hours
they
they
will
have
to
do
a
certain
number
of
hours
a
month
versus
shifts
a
month,
which
is
where
some
of
the
flexibility
comes
in.
But
the
hours
work
and
give
us
I
think
what
144
hours
extra
X
in
excess
a
month,
which
means.
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R
P
R
So
our
annual
costs
they
keep
going
up
in
our
our
remaining
amounts.
So
in
our
operating
expenses
that
includes
the
money
that
we
would
typically
set
aside
to
go
into
our
Reserve
account
for
the
purchase
of
future
ambulances
and
equipment.
So
when
you're,
looking
at
these
numbers,
you'll
see
that
that
that
is
included
in
there
and
you
know
the
tonight
the
19
to
2020
year
68
000
would
have
been
in
excess.
R
We
continued
to
go
down
continue
to
go
down
as
we're
hitting
covid
as
we're
hitting
loss
of
volunteers,
we've
hired
more
people
and
even
those
that
we
hired
just
as
we
were
getting
them
trained,
we'd
leave
to
go
somewhere
else.
We
had
one
who
joined
the
Air
Force
and
left
us
for
the
last
18
months,
and
she
wasn't
even
with
us
for
a
month
before
leaving
so
those
types
of
unexpected
things
have
really
hurt
us.
R
R
So
the
cost
of
providing
service
are,
we
can
only
sustain
ourselves
based
on
billing
and
contributions.
The
increased
population
is
having
an
increased
effect
on
us.
Low
volunteer
participation
means
that
we
have
to
hire
people
and
our
payroll
expenses
are
more
than
half
our
operating
budget,
and
that
is
paying
people
minimally.
R
There
were
some
pieces
over
at
the
the
PD
in
the
Dispatch
Center
that
needed
to
be
replaced.
So
some
of
the
parts
came
out
of
that
common
utilities.
Anybody
would
have
our
I.T
Fleet
Maintenance
I
will
tell
you
that
this
year,
that
number
is
going
to
be
up
thanks
to
road
paving.
We
lost
a
lot
of
tires
this
year,
Billing
Services
they
do
all
of
our
billing.
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R
Q
R
Put
out
the
regulations
for
ambulances
monitor
replacement.
Luckily,
we
just
got
our
last
one,
so
hopefully
that
will
be
a
little
ways
out
education,
Recruitment
and
Retention.
So
all
of
these
things
I
mean
this
is
this
is
a
majority
of
where
our
funds
go
to
any
questions
on
any
of
those
items,
I'm
happy.
We
can
provide
you
an
itemized
list
of
our
budget
as
well,
so
you
I
mean
if
you
have
questions
we're
more
than
happy
to
share
what
each
of
those
are
in
more
detail.
M
H
R
R
S
Board
stuff,
so
I
think
one
of
the
big
things
that
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
make
sure
that
we're
not
leaving
any
Stones
left
unturned.
We've
completely
changed
over
our
Workforce
model,
as
Colleen
has
alluded
to.
It
is
a
radical
change
for
us,
but
it
is
going
to
give
us
the
best
way
forward
to
really
bring
in
that
volunteer
Recruitment
and
get
our
Target
back
up
to
the
second
ambulance,
redefining
the
membership.
We
talked
about
a
little
bit.
S
What
the
volunteerism
aspect
is
here
with
our
agency
and
at
a
time
when
I
joined,
you
could
only
be
a
member
of
the
agency
if
you
were
a
volunteer,
we're
being
a
lot
and
not
only
a
volunteer
but
a
clinical
volunteer,
meaning
on
the
ambulance.
There
are
a
lot
of
jobs
at
Essex
rescue
that
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
setting
foot
on
the
ambulance
and
we're
extending
membership
to
those
roles.
S
We're
opening
up
more
ability
to
become
a
guiding
member
of
the
organization
without
just
being
a
clinical
volunteer
and
we're
expanding
the
role
and
the
reach
of
our
board
of
directors.
So
for
those
of
you
who
have
been
around
for
a
while,
you
might
remember
the
community
Advisory
board
that
Essex
rescue
had
many
years
ago.
It
sort
of
slowly
died
off
whether
it
was
active
or
passive,
not
100
sure.
S
But
one
of
the
things
that
we've
recognized
over
the
past
few
years
is
that
our
lack
of
direct
communication
and
full
involvement
and
transparency
has
led
us
to
a
mismatch
with
our
Community
Partners.
So
we
want
to
reinvigorate
that
relationship,
whether
it
be
a
seat
on
the
board,
a
community
Advisory
board
or
some
sort
of
Representative
model
open
to
hearing
what's
available.
S
Our
organizational
change
is
focused
on
two
things:
continuing
to
support
that
mission,
which
is
getting
out
excellent,
Emergency,
Medical
Service
to
our
community
and
doing
it
with
a
community-based
support
in
mind.
So
that's
going
to
include
that
expanded
role
of
the
directors
and
the
membership
in
the
agency.
S
R
There
was
no
other
way
for
us
other
than
to
ask
this.
We
know
it's
a
big
jump.
It
is
not
what
we
had
planned
this.
Certainly,
if
I
was
in
this
role
a
while
ago,
would
have
done
things
differently,
but
I
I
was
not
and
I,
don't
think
any
of
us
were
prepared
for
covid
and
the
effects
of
that,
especially
on
a
volunteer
Workforce
who
knows
in
the
future.
Maybe
this
number
could
potentially
go
down
if
someday.
If
this
works
and
things
get
better,
we
certainly
aren't
looking
too
bad
our
budget.
R
P
S
A
S
Idea
here
is
just
to
show
the
trend
that
we
were
on
with
22
and
23s
projected
and
that
continuing
deficit
and
to
show
what
the
additional
funds
necessary
that
we're
asking
for,
along
with
our
projected
operating
expense
and
other
Revenue
increase,
is
still
going
to
put
us
just
below
the
black.
But
at
a
less.
R
Egregious
so,
2022
doesn't
look
as
bad
as
it
was
anticipated.
I
think
it
was
supposed
to
be
like
290
000.
It
wasn't
because
we
were
still
they
extended
one
of
the
grants,
because
the
paramedic
students
were
having
a
difficult
time
getting
into
clinical
sites.
So
they
extended
that
and
we
were
able
to
use
some
of
the
leftover
funds
that
never
got
used
to
put
towards
needed
equipment
which
was
hugely
helpful.
R
A
A
A
R
R
I
wouldn't
have
wanted
to
jump
that
way,
and
my
plan
was
certainly
not
to
do
these
jumps.
The
way
we
have
I
was
part
of
a
four-year
plan,
but
if
we
keep
it
at
a
four-year
plan
by
the
time
we
are
done
with
this
growth,
it
will
be
more
than
eighteen
dollars
per
capita
because
we
will
be
trying
to
put
money
back
into
a
capital
reserve
and
keep
our
budget
going.
S
R
S
So
while
we
had
a
big
ramp
up
to
get
to
here,
the
next
ramp
up
would
only
be.
If
you
came
to
us
and
said,
we
now
need
you
to
Street
two
ambulances,
24
7
with
full-time
employees.
Then
we
would
talk
more
about
full-time
employee
costs,
we're
not
going
to
have
to
come
back
to
you
with
a
projection
change
of
how
many
more
full-time
employees
we
need.
We've
got
that
full-time
ambulance
covered
as
they
roll
right
by.
You
can
hear.
H
S
S
S
H
R
R
So
I
I
know
that
this
is
maybe
not
so
much
the
18
per
capita
as
it
is
the
jump
again
and
as
we
have
been
told
many
times,
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
service
we're
providing
which
we're
very
proud
of
and
have
done
for
a
very
long
time,
and
it
certainly
is
not
an
easy
ask.
We
know
that
this
is
a
very
difficult
time
to
be
asking
for
more
money
and
I
certainly
wouldn't
be
here
in
front
of
you.
If
we
could
do
it
another
way.
Well,
I.
A
Guess
just
a
little
bit
of
feedback
if
I
may
it's
very
difficult
to
be
in
this
seat
and
not
knowing
that
these
problems
are
being
exacerbated
throughout
the
year
and
seeing
you
once
a
year
with
a
65
increase
over
last
year.
So
that's
why
I'm
I
really
want
to
dive
into
to
understand
fully
where
the
issues
lie.
Why
the
increases
are
what
they
are
so
I
hope
I'm
not
coming
across
as
adversarial.
It's
just
I
really
want
to
understand
what
the
drivers
are.
Yeah.
R
S
I
think
we're
also
a
little
bit
and
so
I
I
appreciate
the
Candor
and
I
think
the
other
reason
that
I'm
joining
Colleen
here
today,
I
I,
participated
in
some
of
these
a
number
of
years
back.
But
we
want
our
board
to
be
more
transparent
with
you
to
have
a
better
working
relationship
so
that
it's
not
just
that
cycle.
H
S
See
us
when
the
budgeting
time
comes
up,
we're
also
here
with
full
transparency.
So
if
there
is
something
that
we
have
overlooked,
we're
open
to
figuring
it
out
we're
not
making
the
assumption
that
we
have
all
the
answers.
We
have
spent
a
bit
of
time
doing
some
due
diligence
going
through
the
things
that
we
could
turn
over,
but
any
questions
budget
transparency,
the
ability
to
participate
in
our
board.
S
Not
only
do
we
want
it,
but
we
we
need
it
so
I
think
we're
trying
to
turn
around
that
relationship
to
a
much
more
inclusive
one
both
for
the
elimination
of
these
kinds
of
difficulties,
but
then
also
for
context,
because
EMS
is
one
of
these
strange
sort
of
services,
we're
not
an
essential
service,
so
that
might
not
necessarily
mean
something
as
a
term.
But
legally
that
means
a
lot.
We
don't
get
access
to
a
lot
of
grant
funding.
We
don't
get
access
to
a
lot
of
expected.
S
Municipal
support
that
fire,
any
fire
and
law
enforcement
automatically
do
so
yeah,
I
I
hope
that
we're
not
coming
across
as
defensive,
because
we're
not
feeling
adversarial
from
you
at
all.
We
welcome
the
questions
and
the
Insight,
so
please
know
that
this
is
not
a
small
ask
from
our
side.
We're
members
of
this
community
I
live
in
Underhill
I
have
a
long
history
here.
So
it's
not
easy
for
me
to
put
this
before
you
guys,
either.
B
R
Good
question-
and
that
was
I
spoke
a
little
bit
with
Chief
Colette
of
the
Williston
fire
department,
who
you
know
they
they've
went
through
this.
They
didn't
have
an
ambulance
years
ago.
We
were
the
next
one
and
after
St
Mike's,
that's
not
so
the
fire
department
being
Municipal
would
mean
that
our
agency
would
also
have
to
become
Municipal.
That's
not
a
problem
other
than
we're
going
to
leave
several
other
towns
without
an
ambulance
service.
S
One
of
the
things
I
mean
it's
it's
an
when
you're
talking
about
combining
Services,
there's,
there's
an
assumed
efficiency,
but
one
of
the
things
that
happens
is
it's
not
as
though
a
full-time
fire
department
and
a
full-time
EMS
when
they
combine
use
half
the
people,
because
you
still
have
fire
calls
that
are
independent
of
EMS
and
no
one's
going
to
be
happy.
If
the
fire
guy
is
out
there
and
the
EMS
goes
unanswered,
so
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
are
the
efficiencies
of
perhaps
combined
facilities.
C
Q
R
That
is
not
something
that
you
necessarily
had
budgeted
for
right
off,
but
if
you
look
at
the
Williston
fire
department,
a
combination
department,
they
a
3.4
million
dollar
budget,
I
believe
and
they're
bringing
in
400
000
in
revenue
for
their
one
town,
I
mean
I
I,
don't
know
it's
not
really
for
me
to
say
whether
or
not
it
would
be.
You
know
financially
makes
sense.
I
think
there's
pieces
and
parts
that
we
all
do
well,
whether
or
not
it
makes
sense.
Under
One
Roof
is
really.
M
P
R
I
will
say
that
I
think
their
First
Responders
definitely
proved
to
be
very
helpful
in
that
situation,
because
the
lift
assists
that
we
get
all
the
way
out
there
to
find
out
that
they
don't
need
anything
at
all,
but
because
of
the
distance
We're
stopped
long
before
we
get
there.
That
tends
to
be
helpful.
Yeah.
S
It
certainly
again
open
to
it.
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
is
per
capita
at
least
gives
that
level
objective
playing
field
of
these
are
how
many
people
we
are
supporting
an
ambulance
service
for
there's,
also
the
opposite,
which
is
like
we're
closer
to
Essex
in
the
junction,
which
means
the
response
times
are
a
little
shorter.
So
is
it
a
shorter
service,
meaning
better
service
or
a
longer
service,
meaning
more
charge?
D
R
R
S
D
D
You
know
we
were
told
that
the,
and
that
was
the
antenna
16
increase,
was
to
pay
for
additional
staff
to
roll
another
ambulance,
but
it
is
now
your
intent
was
to
roll
it
with
your.
Your
reason
for
not
having
a
second
ambulance
is
saying,
is
that
you're
saying
you
don't
have
enough
volunteers?
So
that's
where.
S
S
The
lack
of
volunteers
coming
through
the
door
has
taken
its
toll
and
what
what
we
are
redeploying
is
a
guarantee
of
24
7
ambulance,
to
support
volunteerism,
to
get
us
that
second
half
of
that
shift
and
as
Colleen
mentioned
right
now,
the
hours
based
on
our
volunteers,
that
we
have
support,
doing
just
that,
so
we
can
Street
the
full-time
ambulance
and
the
second
ambulance
once
we
get
this
model
in
place.
That
is
definitely
the
intent.
So.
R
D
R
R
C
D
R
S
We
have
a
CPI
increase.
That
is
not
something
that
we
can
choose
to
do
or
not
do
like.
We
have
to
stay
commensurate
with
what
the
cost
of
living
is
for
this
level
of
employee,
so
we
have
a
an
expectation
of
matching
what
the
CPI
is
for
our
employees.
That's
just
a
point
of
view
that
the
board
has
taken
to
make
sure
that
we're
staying,
commensurate
with
what
we
can
automate.
S
S
To
secured
her
position
and
brought
on
another
position
to
make
sure
that
we
could
Street
this
ambulance
24
7
with
full-time
employees.
So
it
is
additional
Personnel,
along
with
the
restructuring
of
how
we're
deploying
them.
But
I
want
to
go
back
and
look
and
make
sure
that
I've
got
those
numbers
right.
T
S
D
R
If,
if
the
town
would
like
us
to
pay
for
dispatch,
Services
I've
been
given
an
estimate
and
we
can
just
roll
that
into
the
per
capita
rate
that
was
I.
Think
it
was
a
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
dollars
is
what
the
dispatch
Services
per
call
would
be.
I
think
that's
going
to
happen
to
us
anyway,
given
that
they're
trying
to
regionalize
dispatch
I
think
that's
just
coming
down
the
pike
regardless,
but
certainly
want
it
to
be
fair
and
Equitable
to
everybody.
R
S
D
S
But
it's
it's
also
Not
Invisible
to
us
that
that
is
a
service
that
is
being
provided
to
us,
but
it
is
keeping
our
operational
costs
where
they
are.
So
that
is
one
element
that
we
don't
have
control
over.
If
you're
able
to
continue
to
support
that
service,
we
will
definitely
take
it.
If
not,
it
becomes
a
part
of
our
operational
expense.
H
D
Our
residents
and
this
this
exacerbates
that
actually,
if
you
look
at
the
numbers,
it's
actually
a
smaller
number,
but
on
a
but
it's
spread
over
a
small
one,
because
we,
our
contribution,
was
241
000.
and
this
current
fiscal
year
next
year,
you're
asking
for
207.
So
it's
a
smaller
number
smaller
number,
but
fewer
people.
D
H
D
D
S
So
the
conversations
that
we've
had
at
the
board
level
about
where
to
go
with
so
Colleen
mentioned
our
capital
reserve
account,
which
is
something
that
we've
been
very
adamant
about
continuing.
It
allows
us
to
do
our
Capital
expenditures
without
coming
back
for
a
particular
requirement,
but
it
is
not
meant
to
be
a
replacement
for
our
operational
expenses,
so
the
money
that
goes
in
there
is
allocated
towards
future
expenses.
S
Think
we
made
the
decision
to
come
to
you
with
this
ask
and,
as
we've
said,
open
to
trying
to
talk
about
what
the
best
ways
to
present
it
are.
So
if
that
is
a
more
reasonable
way
to
go
about
it
and
to
explain
how
the
capital
reserve
replacement
would
require
a
more
aggressive
change
over
time
happy
to
come
back
with
that,
we
didn't
work.
Those
numbers
we
felt
like
this
was
the
best
initial
approach.
Okay,
thank
you.
P
S
T
P
The
page
as
what
what
I'm
looking
at
okay
specifically,
is
in
the
town
of
Essex
and
I'm,
including
the
city
of
Essex
Junction
in
this,
because
for
this
year
that
we're
finishing
right
here
in
point
two:
it's
it's
coming
from
the
town's
budget,
so
I
see
a
I
I
use
an
average
right,
there's
911
from
from
1
1
to
831,
which
is
eight
months.
So
you
have
another
four
months,
I
added
it
up
and
it
came
down
to
1366,
which
is
74
and
a
half
added
calls
compared
to
last
year.
C
P
S
I
happy
to
go
back.
I,
don't
have
those
numbers
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
will
just
say
that
anecdotally,
they
have
almost
stayed
proportional.
So,
as
the
call
volume
goes
up,
if
we
get
10
more
calls
across
the
board,
it's
almost
identical
that
Underhill
will
get
10
more
Jericho,
so
Essex
in
the.
S
P
P
R
P
P
R
H
P
S
P
M
D
Q
Q
It's
a
very
dangerous
and
I,
don't
think
we've
given
them
enough
credit
I'd
like
to
say
that
when
it
comes
to
comparing
how
we
treat
our
own
town
employees,
we
have
been
asking
to
have
to
be
told
what
we
pay
our
town
employees
and
we
don't
get
it
at
all.
There's
no
grilling
there
for
the
public
at
all,
and
we've
been
asking
and
asking.
There
is
absolutely
no
transparency
when
it
comes
to
the
police
department.
I
appreciate
our
police
they're
very
important
I.
Q
Don't
have
it
an
argument
with
them
really,
but
they
come
and
they
they
get
their
budget
they're
treated
so
much
differently.
And
yet
there
are
a
lot
of
complaints
about
the
police
department.
They
don't
supposedly
I,
don't
know
if
it's
true
people
say
they
don't
answer.
Calls
I
almost
never
see
a
police
car
on
the
road,
and
yet
they've
got
a
big
budget.
Q
N
I
just
want
to
try
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
how
the
funding
Works
so
I
hear
it's
not
an
essential.
It's
not
a
recognized
essential
service
which
the
police
department
and
the
fire
department
have
the
luxury
of
which
I,
if
I
understand
right
from
last
year's
presentation
or
or
six
months
ago,
was
that
it
gives
a
lot
more
access
to
Grants
at
the
federal
level.
Is
that
true.
N
R
R
S
I
also
wanted
to
say
sorry
Lauren,
just
one
thing,
I
want
to
say:
I
I
just
have
to
call
out
our
local
fire
partners,
because
they've
been
excellent
at
including
us
in
those
Grant
proposals.
Yes,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
clear
that,
while
we
are
not
necessarily
considered
an
essential
service,
we
have
been
met
with
open
arms
whenever
there's
an
opportunity
to
partner
with
a
Williston
fire
or
an
Underhill
Jericho
fire
or
when
it
comes
before.
You
know
the
town
in
the
junction
I'm
not
sure.
If
we've
been
in
a.
H
N
S
N
R
S
N
S
S
H
N
R
N
And
so
also
like
the
fire
department
and
the
police
department,
you
do
have
mutual
Aid
kind
of
compacts
with
the
other
towns,
or
it's
just
that
Essex
town
fully
funds,
and
then
we
hope
to
get
the
revenues
back
from
the
other
Town
through
billing
yeah.
The
other
towns
give
us
money
too,
or
from
their
Municipal
budget.
N
S
N
D
H
Q
R
N
N
R
S
N
R
S
N
N
The
other
thing
that
we
work
on
in
terms
of
the
police
and
fire
is
that
the
Mental
Health
crisis,
which
to
me
I,
would
love
to
have
folded
in
and
because
there
is
a
national
push
right
now
for
separate
services
for
crisis
that
include
mental
health
services.
So
you
know,
if
there's
a
way
for
us
as
municipality
as
well,
to
help
move
forward
that
you
guys
be
are
a
third
essential
service
in
town
I.
N
N
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D
S
D
D
Other
huge
hill,
we
have
the
client
with
regard
to
our
fact
that
we
The
Village
Center
that
the
city
has
separated
from
from
the
town
and
our
tax
base
is
completely
very
different
than
it
has
been
I,
don't
know.
If
there's
a
proposal
you
want
to
make
there
so
I
mentioned
the
November
November
4th
date,
because
that's
the
day
that
we
want
to
be
talking
about
this.
If
there's
anything
any
other
Alternatives,
you
can
post
around
either
of
those
topics
yep.
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C
B
J
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D
E
When
I
spoke
to
Colleen
and
Peter
last
week,
part
of
the
question
was:
how
do
the
towns
have
more
input
into
some
of
this
budget
preparation
and
their
operations,
and
one
of
the
key
offers
that
they
suggested
was
to
appoint
to
somebody
to
The
Advisory
Board?
You
heard
them
speak
earlier
tonight
about
how
that
might
grow
into
more
of
the
Beyond
advisory
role,
but
right
now
they
they
have
an
Advisory
Board
and
have
welcomed
somebody
from
Essex
to
become
a
member
of
that.
E
So
whether
one
of
you
wants
to
step
up
or
if
you
want
us
to
advertise
and
try
to
find
a
volunteer
from
the
community
I'm
happy
to
do
that,
I
think
with
discussions
going
on
and
where
we
are
right
now
and
timeliness.
If
one
of
you
select
board,
members
wants
to
step
up,
I
think
that
would
be
great
and
the
most
timely
way
to
do
things
but
open
it
up
and
leave
it
to
all
of
you
for
discussion.
If.
A
D
S
So
I
think
that's
such
a
good
question
right
now
we
have
a
provision
in
our
bylaws
for
a
community
Advisory
board
that
is
available
to
us
at
any
time.
It
asks
for
a
representative
from
each
Town.
It
doesn't
demand
one
it's
something
that
we
can
put
in
place
as
soon
as
people
have
the
ability
or
the
interest
in
joining
us.
S
We
also
are
looking
at
reshaping
our
bylaws
and
how
our
board
of
directors
is
put
together.
So
I
think
part
of
that
discussion
would
be
perhaps
a
voting
seat
if
there
is
an
interest
level
of
the
towns
having
a
voting
participatory
level
on
the
board
and
then
how
does
that
look?
Is
it
one
vote
that
all
of
the
towns
come
together
for
consensus?
Is
it
one
vote
per
person
per
town?
S
A
S
H
R
S
A
S
Totally
fine
I'll
make
sure.
Then
we
go
back
and
clear
that
they
have
the
same
invitation
to
participate
at
the
community.
Advisory
Board
as
soon
as
people
have
an
interest
and
then
I
think
that
would
really
be
instrumental
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out
the
minute
that
you
put
it
into
a
voting
position,
then
that
then
that
requires
a
certain
amount
of
participation
and
understanding
that
everybody's
already
allocated.
S
D
S
H
S
The
moment
it
is
a
community
we've
had
members
in
the
past,
the
last
one
I
remember
was
Mr
plegman,
who
came
a
number
of
years
ago.
He
was
from
The
Joint
Commission
between
the
town
and
the
junction
and
see
he
was
the
sole
representative.
So
I
have
no
problem.
If
we
get
initial
people
from
the
town
of
Essex.
H
S
S
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D
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D
U
U
U
The
continued
live
meeting
hybrid
meeting,
support,
hope
this
is
kind
of
going
well
for
you
and
makes
working
both
with
your
colleagues
in
person
and
your
colleagues
online
effortless,
with
the
help
of
bot
Moody's,
not
only
technical
expertise
but
kind,
and
you
know
friendly
public
community
service,
which
is
not
always
easy
to
find
people
who
have
both
technical
ability
and
of
emotional
human
intelligence,
so
the
redundant
and
reliable
archiving.
So
not
only
are
you
are
these
meetings
being
recorded,
but
they're
part
of
an
archive
of
meetings
that
go
back.
U
Q
U
U
U
I
think
it's
important
to
underscore
the
marketing
and
Outreach
the
work
that
we
do
letting
people
know
accepting
Municipal
updates
giving
people
highlights
to
keep
them
interested
in
what's
going
on
in
local
government
and
connect
them.
So
my
hope
is
that
people
show
up
at
your
meetings
to
participate
because
they've
seen
something
sometimes
that
we've
shared
with
them
and
let
them
know
that
that's
happening.
U
U
One
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
hand
out
to
you
is
related
to
the
work
that
the
Vermont
Access
Network,
which
is
the
closest
thing
to
a
trade
Association,
that
we
are
part
of
it's
a
volunteer
based
organization,
a
loose
Coalition
of
excess
access
management
organizations
from
around
the
state
and
we're.
Now
in
2018,
we
began
doing
the
work
of.
U
Figuring
out
how
we
were
going
to
replace
Municipal
I
mean
not
Municipal
cable
funds.
So,
as
you
know
this
all
of
this
work
that
we
do
here
in
the
realm
of
Peg,
public,
educational
and
government
access
is
paid
for
by
folks
who
buy
cable
and
pay
a
peg
subscriber
fee,
and
we
started
coming
to
you
as
municipalities
and
asking
to
make
a
contribution.
U
U
U
And
let
us
know
how
we
might
be
serving
you
better,
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
important.
One
of
the
places
that
we
really
rely
on
is
for
your
trustee,
any
member
of
of
the
public.
Any
member
of
the
select
were
to
let
us
know
if
there
are
things
going
on
outside
of
the
municipal
meetings
to
cover
in
the
community,
so
that
kind
of
General,
Community
programming
that
helps
connect
and
knit
Community
together
is
really
important.
P
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O
U
Yeah-
and
there
are
a
lot
of
places
you
know-
we
recognize
that
there
are
a
lot
of
places
that
you
know
as
people
cut
cable
cords
or
they
start
driving
electric
vehicles
and
they're
no
longer
paying
a
gas
tax.
You
know
there
are
things
that
we're
going
to
have
to
as
we
move
into
the
Modern
Age
figure
out,
how
we're
going
to
replace
funding
in
one
way
or
another.
So.
D
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U
D
What
is
the
discussion
about
what
to
ask
the
Vermont
League
of
cities
and
towns
to
lobby
for
in
the
next,
in
the
coming
by
anyway,
I'm
repping
at
that
meeting,
Thursday
and
Friday
this
week,
yeah,
and
so
it
has
prompted
me
to
think
about.
Well,
you
know:
is
there
anything
that
the
legislature
can
do
yeah.
U
D
U
U
There
are
other
ways
to
go
at
and
you
know
really
reminding
folks
of
the
value
of
the
service.
There's
going
to
be
30
turnover
in
the
legislature,
as
you
probably
have
all
heard
about,
and
that
is
gonna
mean
that
you
know
potentially
those
maybe
new
folks
who
have
to
understand
the
value
of
this
service
that
you
know
hopefully
to
you,
is
invisible
in
a
certain
way.
U
D
H
D
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
know
if
people
have
lost
interest,
whether
we're
suddenly
boring
now
or
but
I
haven't.
You
know
mostly
I
think
you
know
the
the
comments
that
we've
heard
is
that
it's
difficulty
finding
the
right
link
to
get
into
the
meeting.
But
that's
not
I,
don't
think
that's
your
issue.
There's
probably
maybe
you
know
I,
think
we
as
far
as
I
know,
we've
resolved
it.
We
haven't
seen
any
any
of
those
issues,
but
I'm
just
it
just
seems
that
it
was
a.
D
U
H
U
That's
like,
like
warm
smile
like
Municipal
nerd
heart,
really,
because
it's
why
we're
here
you
know
so
many
times
I
would
say
to
fix,
like
it
doesn't
actually
matter.
A
lot
of
people
are
watching
it
matters
if
it
bring
somebody
in
and
engages
somebody
in
the
work
of
the
community,
and
you
know
you
just
had
you
know
you
answered
the
big
question
about
merger,
not
to
merger,
which
was
you
know,
a
huge
we're.
C
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U
U
B
D
B
Under
education
number,
four,
where
it
says
I
gotta
find
it
now,
the
local
legislative
body
appointing
a
replacement
member
is
to
be
to
a
Consolidated
School
Board
in
the
event
of
a
vacancy.
Until
an
election
is
held,
I
talked
to
Greg
about
this.
We
both
assumed
they
met
the
select
board
to
be
appointing
school
board.
Members
and
I.
Don't
think
that
should
be
right.
B
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P
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D
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H
P
H
P
Number
three
so
I'm
all
about
tax
reform
in
the
state
review,
especially
after
hearing
about
the
you
know
the
the
TV.
How
she's
talking
about
you
know
with
the
electric
vehicles
and
road
taxes
and
right
right,
TV
taxes
and
I
mean
there's
some
there's
just
some
things
floating
around
right
now
about
registration
rates
that
I've
been
following
and.
B
B
Number
four:
it
says
they
require
commercial,
forestry
and
agricultural
customer
service
vehicles
to
comply
with
all
Motor
Vehicle
Laws
when
operating
on
a
state
and
local
Highway.
Well,
if
the
size
of
some
of
this
farm
equipment
is
a
certain
weight,
it
would
then
require
the
operator
to
have
a
commercial
driver's
license
and.
P
B
M
B
B
P
All
right,
well
I'm,
going
to
add
to
that
for
for
onto,
but
because
one
of
the
more
pressing
things
right
now
and
I
understand
that
you
know
we're
in
a
global
crisis
with
the
climate
change
and
greenhouse
gases.
But
one
of
the
largest
press
issues
currently
in
agricultural
field
is
missions
and
just
advocating
for
practicality,
sustainability
of
our
local
agricultural
businesses
that
you
know
things
like
that
can
happen
over
time,
but
not
all
at
once.
A
A
H
B
D
The
the
Vermont
leagues
and
cities
and
towns
is
very
biased
with
regard
to
wanting
to
take
as
much
power
from
the
state
as
they
can
and
give
it
to
the
municipalities,
because
we're
in
a
Dylan's
real
estate.
The
municipalities
can't
do
anything
that
unless
the
states
says
you
can
kind
of
thing-
and
it
also
is
in
this
situation
where
it
says
the
state
shouldn't
tell
us.
H
D
We
have
to
do
things
if
it's
going
to
cost
money
without
giving
us
the
money
to
pay
for
it
and
then
also
the
and
which,
which
also
goes
into
open
meeting
logs.
There's
things
they
tell
us
that
we
have
to
do
like
get
our
minutes
up
within
five
days
or
ten
days
or
whatever.
It
is.
There's
things
that
we
and
the
legislation
doesn't
have
to
do
them.
C
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B
D
P
D
Anybody
from
the
public
take
the
time
to
look
through
this
and
have
any
comments
on
their
own.
So
thank
you
for
that.
This
is.
This
is
actually
a
a
big
change
from
the
way
they
used
to
do
this.
They
used
to
give
this
to
us
at
a
point
in
time
when
there
was
not
enough
time
to
actually
review
it
with
this
with
the
select
board.
So
this
is
a
this.
E
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D
Discussion
and
potential
acts
down
the
memorandum
of
understanding
lease
agreement
and
management
agreement
between
the
town
of
Essex
and
the
City
of
Essex
Junction
related
to
the
tree
farm
management
group.
I.
Think
our
intent
here
is
to
have
the
mou
discussion
in
public
since
its
agreement
between
us
and
the
city,
and
then
we
can
choose
whether
or
not
to
have
the
other
discussions.
I
think
we
probably
should
have
them
in
executive
session
the
other
two
documents,
since
they
involve
a
third
party
and
there's
contractual
contract
discussions
there.
So
mou.
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T
D
T
P
T
T
T
Yeah
and
just
to
reiterate,
after
going
through
all
the
documents
from
state
to
here,
bless
you
the
so
the
90,
the
tree
farm
that
we
co-manage
co-own
is
the
99
Acres
of
kind
of
athletic
facilities.
The
let's
say
one
acre
where
the
white
buildings
are
is
to
remain
under
Town
only
and
those
were
in
original
documents
and
was
never
in
the
in
these
co-ownership
documents
really.
B
D
Right
so
that
was
when
the
town
was
bigger.
Now
that
the
town
is
smaller,
we
still
want
to
own
all
responsibility
for
those
buildings,
like
all
the
capital
and
all
the
and
I
understand
that
right.
If
we,
if
we
don't
own
them,
we
don't
also
get
not
own
them,
aren't
responsible
for
them
that
we
may
not
be
able
to
have
complete,
say
on
how
they
get
used
either.
D
H
D
T
M
D
A
T
A
H
H
H
D
T
D
A
T
E
E
Is
there
some
language
and
I
think
it
was
discussed
somewhere
recently
about
being
a
little
bit
more
open-ended
on
that
Clause,
a
strong
management
or
proper
management
of
the
tree
farm
or
Municipal
oversight
to
ensure
strong
management,
something
that's
a
little
bit
more
flexible.
That
leaves
some
more
time
and
and
flexibility
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
go
in
either
direction
depending
on
what
the
needs
are
and
what
the
capacity
is
two
years
from
now
or
three
years
from
now,.
P
P
P
So
if
we
don't
make
a
decision
for
24
months
and
it's
10-3,
we
owe
them
a
year
before
we
kick
him
out,
that's
what
we
had
discussed
and
they
were
in
favor
of
the
respect
of
the
past,
which
in
my
you
know
my
thinking
of
it
was
you
know
that
guarantees
us
doesn't
guarantee,
but
it
can
get
you
three
years
fully.
This
is
a
pushed
upon
process.
D
So
I
think
what
what
Frank's
getting
at
here
it
may
be
a
non-starter
for
the
city
council.
If
we,
if
we
say
that
the
default
is
to
stay
with
third
party.
If,
if
that,
if
the
city
council
and
the
select
board
can't
agree
on
the
terms
I
mean
all
we
have
to
do
is
say
no,
and
then
it
stays
the
way
it
stays
the
way
it
is
and
assuming
that
they
would
then
agree
to
assign
a
lease
agreement
with
this
third
party,
isn't.
D
D
You
know:
do
we
do
we
want
to
put
our
you
know,
right,
I
think
this
is
what
you're
asking
do
you
want
to
put
our
our
you
know,
putting
the
ground
and
say,
or
whatever
the
right
phrases
and
say:
nope
we're
just
gonna
stay
with
third
party
as
an
option
and
that's
what
we
were
saying
in
the
meeting
right
and
I
guess
they
did
cave
to
that
in
that
cave
they
compromise
they
compromised.
Sorry,
but.
D
M
D
E
E
E
The
compromise
and
what's
the
the
happy
medium
that
still
allows
you
to
explore
options
I
think
part
of
the
conversation
is
in
those
next
two
years
of
this
lease
agreement.
What
what
does
Municipal
management
look
like?
What
does
third
party
management
look
like
and
what's
the
best
option
going
forward,
and
if
you
don't
specify
that
it
must
be
one
or
it
must
be,
the
other.
P
M
C
M
C
B
F
I
think
this
is
my
fourth
Municipal
meeting
in
a
week
and
I've
got
another
one
tomorrow
with
the
charter
review
group.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
apologize
for
signing
the
original
mou.
I
was
on
the
board.
Then
I
can
read
through
a
lot
of
meeting
notes,
because
we
didn't
do
much
in
executive
session
over
this
I
pressed
I.
F
You
know
the
town
bought
the
land,
it
was
state
land,
the
town
bought
it
with
Town
funds.
I'm.
Sorry,
we
even
had
discussion
about
making
sure
it
couldn't
be
subdivided
unless
both
Community,
both
municipalities,
agree
to
it.
I,
don't
know
how
the
heck
we
got
the
language
in
that
was
in
the
present
mou,
I'm
glad
to
see
that
you've
got
language,
that
it
has
to
be
mutual
agreement
that
was
expressed.
F
I
had
a
concern
back
in
2010
over
what
would
happen
if
the
village
walked
took
the
good
Revenue
producing
property
and
we
were
left
with
buildings
and
parking
facilities.
So
I
was
a
new
select
board.
Member
and
I
guess
I
hadn't
learned
to
be
a
pain
in
the
keister
yet,
but
so
I
encourage
you
to
stand
strong
and
I
like
that
new
language,
about
neutral
agreement.
F
Oh
sure,
they'd
have
to
pay
us
a
little
bit
to
go
to
act
250,
but
this
dates
back
to
all
that
stuff
where
the
village
was
saying,
they've
never
got
anything
for
their
tax
dollars.
So
I
know
it's
a
difficult
situation.
I
encourage
you
to
be
strong.
I
appreciate
some
of
the
language
that
I
see
here
and
I.
Guess,
that's
all
I
don't
need
to
say
anymore,
but
I.
You
know
the
other
night
George.
F
They
talked
about
George
being
the
only
member
of
both
boards
who
had
been
there
and
it's
hard
to
remember
this
stuff.
But
I've
got
good
minutes
that
we
took
at
those
times
to
discuss
all
these
things
and
I
got
on
record
Deb
billedu,
who
was
a
trustee
Dave
Crawford,
who
was
the
village
manager,
were
saying
it's
going
to
be
a
a
poison
Pat
pill.
If
you
say
we
can't
just
decide
on
our
own
to
subdivide,
whereas
at
least
three
members
of
our
board
said
we
wanted
mutual
agreement.
F
F
N
When
we're
still
part,
the
city
was
part
of
the
town
to
get
a
needs-based
assessment
of
field
use
of
who's.
Who
wants
to
use
it
when
and
is
not
able
to
use
fields
in
the
town?
Is
there
a
way
to
get
that
I
know
something
that
we
asked
for
when
we
first
started
discussing
it,
but
I
never
saw
it
Quantified.
T
N
T
T
N
T
We
as
a
Management
Group
have
not
continued
discussion
on
bringing
in
astro
turf
to
the
facility.
It's
based
on
our
discussions
and
maintenance
conversations
and
budgeting
is
based
on
natural
grass
and
like
rehabbing,
Fields,
closing
Fields
During,
certain
seasons,
and
you
know
putting
a
lot
of
effort
into
strengthening
those
turf
fields.
Those
natural
turf
fields.
N
Right
because
I
think
I
think
one
of
the
part
of
that
discussion
was
because
it
might
also,
even
though
the
initial
cost
is
higher,
it
would
possibly
save
some
Revenue
too
in
terms
of
Maintenance
of
the
fields
as
well.
So
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
any
thought
about
that
anymore.
All
right,
I
was
just
curious.
If
there
was
any
more
needs,
are
you
getting
calls
and
people
are
saying:
can
I
use
a
field
and
you're
not
turning
people
away.
T
B
D
D
B
I
have
fun.
I
would
like
to
thank
Greg,
Tammy,
getchell
and
Catherine
Sonic
and
the
rest
of
the
team
that
did
discover
Essex
this
weekend.
It
was
an
awesome
experience.
People
enjoyed
it,
people
now
know
we
have
a
museum
at
the
Fort,
as
well
as
a
museum
up
in
the
center
and
they've
got
to
look
inside
Memorial
Hall
that
they
just
thought
was
an
empty
building
and
didn't
realize
what
happened
there
and
I
just
appreciate
their
effort.
It
was
awesome.