Chittenden County, Vermont Town of Williston, 25 Jul 2023

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00:00:00 Call to Order
00:01:44 Public Forum
00:02:40 DP 23-17 3JT, LLC Requests a Discretionary Permit
00:22:39 Minutes of June 27, 2023

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Oh welcome to the Wilson development review board meeting of July 25th 2023.. My name is John Hamilton Vice.

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The drb and I'll be chairing me here this evening. This is a hybrid meeting taking place in the uh in the town hall, Annex conference room and virtually on Zoom all members of the board and the public can communicate in real time. Planning staff will provide Zoom instructions for public participation. Before we begin all votes taken in this meeting will be done by roll call vote in accordance with the law. If Zoom crashes, this meeting will be continued to August 8 2023..

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Let's start the meeting by taking a roll call attendance of all BRB members participating in the meeting.

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Nate Andrews is not here: Paul christensen's residents, Lisa President, Carter, Scott, Riley David Turner here Lauren Hamilton is here. Pete Kelly is not participating in the meeting, so we have five members uh and therefore we have a forum.

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And suppose I should say that we called this meeting to order 7-Eleven and we have just one item on the agenda tonight. Can you be 23 days? 17. uh 3jt LLC requested discretionary permit to subdivide at 4.4 acre lot into three separate Lots.

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So the first item on.

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Agenda is the public forum, where the public has opportunity to speak on topics that are not on the agenda.

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Is there anything anyone in person? Oh, you know we should do the uh Zoom instructions. If we have anybody.

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Yep um so for our online attendee um you're already signed in um please keep yourself on mute uh when you're, not speaking, camera on or off, is at your discretion.

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um If you would like to comment, you can press the raise hand button on the toolbar or, let us know in the chat.

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So, of course,.

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You know cats and no raised cans for public.

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Comments: okay,.

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Great so we'll move on to our public hearing of BP 23-day 17. you need. uh We will call this hearing we'll open this hearing at 7 14., who is uh who's here, to represent the the applicant.

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I am Abby Derry from Trudeau Consulting Engineers right address, 478 Blair, Park, Road.

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Yeah, uh so this is a request for a discretionary permit to subdivide an existing parcel into three parcels lot. One would be 2.61 acres and would contain the existing building. That's present on the site. Lot two would be about 0.8 Acres. It fronts along each way where we anticipate a building in the near future and then lot three um is labeled here, a slot four actually lot three would be 1.14 Acres. um It would be towards the rear. End of the parcel it'll remain parking for now.

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uh This property is in the top Corner zoning District, but, more importantly, the form-based code, overlay District, um and the purpose of this subdivision is to create Parcels that comply with the dimensional requirements of form-based code So. Currently, the property has a commercial use on it, an existing office building with a bank and a bank drive-through no New Uses are being proposed at this time. It's merely the subdivision and the property has access on a state highway.

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It was not subject to design or Conservation Commission review. Tonight, staff is recommending that you take testimony and close the hearing deliberate and make an approval a recommending approval with the addition of condition number 12. um project history. This is the first time the drb is reviewing this subdivision. You may recall in October of 2020 a pre-application review for a 7600 square foot two-story building that would be located along Route 2A. That project never moved forward through permitting. However, this subdivision is anticipation in a building in that similar area in the future.

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um Public Works um comments are included, they're, mainly about needing clarifying information about utilities and storm water billing. uh The fire department did not have comments, um inter-departmental comments, as they pertain to site development would be handled through the certificate of Conformity process. No comment: letters were received at the time of mail out July the 20th. Nor were any comment. Letters received to date.

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um I do note that a certificate of Conformity application is anticipated for a lot too, but it has not been filed and that's the administrative design and permitting process for buildings and site development under form-based code.

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um The underlying tough quarter, zoning District, does not have a minimum lot size for this District, so compliance anticipated there. The proposed subdivision complies with the subdivision planning requirements and final plan requirements, and then one condition is added to ensure compliance with the form-based code. What's shown on, the screen is an excerpt of the regulating plan map.

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um This roughly four and a half acre parcel has access onto Route 2A and they share a driveway with the Abundant property to the door.

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um The regulating plan envisions that shared access driveway to be redeveloped into a street shown on the regulating plan, is Bruce Adam. This parcel is bisected on the north south on the up down on this map by Paulie Lane, which is shown in hatching as a tier 2 stream.

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So we're not anticipating or requiring the construction of poly Lane as part of this subdivision or as part of the future development of Lot 2, it may be required if and when lot three or lot one come in for redevelopment and the subdivision, that's being proposed, doesn't preclude the development of polylame, um the western edge of the existing parking building.

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Excuse me of the existing office building um on lot, one those partially extend with into the quality right-of-way, and that's why I've shown us that tier 2 street, because it conflicts with an existing structure, foreign blocks and Alleyways.

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um So the subdivision plot and boundaries imply, as proposed, we are adding a condition related to um an Alleyway, so form-based codes. The streets must be interconnected. There must be Alleyways in the middle of blocks.

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This property shares a block or two abundant properties to the South, where a bank is currently and not partially proposed. Aldi grocery store was reviewed, a.

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Quick question: could you go back to poly Lane, that is, that was part of I assume that was part of the of the original mapping that you did for in advance of your base code.

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Yes, it was, it was added to the map or adopted as part of the form-based.

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Code, why would the right-of-way of poly Lane extend into the existing building? If you knew the building was there? Why would why? Wouldn't you have moved it to the side, so it didn't conflict with it.

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So, in a few places in town Corners, we had blocks that were overly long based on the principles with the building block is all really long, correct? Okay, so so this block without something dividing it is long and if you, if you put that street uh poly Lane completely out of the building or start to try to move it reasonably away from it, you create an overly long block and a short time.

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So the solution we came up with was that sometimes we would put streets on the regulating plan that intersected with an existing building, um and we didn't want to give those the same force uh in the review process as streets that were over an existing driveway or just over undeveloped land. So we so that hatching the designation is a level two Street or a tier two Street says this: is a street that's required if the building that's in the way of it is demolished and redeveloped essentially.

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So then, okay, but one so take that one step further than you said as part of your um uh analysis um that they're required to build it.

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No they're they're not required they're, not required they're they're not required to build it. They would only be required to build it if they were redeveloping a lot with that building on it. um They they. If the law is there with the parking.

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Lot they were in the building down, but they wouldn't be required to tear the building down. But if they did tear the building down right, they could not rebuild up to the same point that it was at.

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Right they would, they would need to accommodate we um another example of this um if anybody's familiar with, where actually Furniture is uh in, where Park there's a level two street that runs straight through the Ashley Furniture building um to to come out and connect to route two that would only be required if that entire site was redeveloped in the building demolished.

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um Another example runs down the back side um of the tap Corner Shopping Center um right behind the the Hilton storm water pond. Only if that entire site was redeveloped with that street uh be required as part of the development pattern there. Okay, so there's just there's just places where to come up with the block platter pattern we needed to draw street, but it was in conflict with existing development where you didn't want to require it. Unless, essentially, the lot was being scraped and entry started from from scratch.

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And that's what you're calling tier two streets? Yes thank.

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You yeah um so the subject parcel highlighted in blue. It shares this overall block with two abutting parcels um to the cell, so this overall block is bounded by root 2A on the East right Avenue on the south future Trader Lane along the west and then Bruce Avenue along the north. In order for this to comply with four base code, there needs to be an internal Alleyway that runs either north south or east west along this property boundary.

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And then, if the neighboring properties ever come in to develop, they would build their portion and Connect into the alleyway system. So that's what condition number 12 is saying that the plot needs to show on the alleyway on on the plan.

A

I'm, sorry, and where would that? Where would that Alleyway be so.

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The way I have condition number 12 worded and then designate an Alleyway or at minimum half an Alleyway along the property line between proposed Lots one and two and the abutting properties to the cell. So it would be along here.

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um It would come out and have funded a long route to a, however, we're not requiring them to connect through the root 2A. When that building is developed, we know that the state is going to stay. No, you can't have something coming out on the state highway, so that Ally would alley. Would probably you know dead end before it gets to the right-of-way of the state, um but.

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This won't affect the new building they're talking about putting on Lot 2, or are you going to have an ollie going right through the middle of that.

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It's going right through the existing office building too right all.

E

Right and so you're you're expecting to have an application and at some point in time, for a building. That's going to front through two right and if you go back to that you're showing an alley who's showing an alley right through the middle of that parcel.

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North Hills Savings Bank to the.

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I guess I'm looking at it through that little building is so the.

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Idea is this: this subdivision wouldn't would designate basically half an alley along its property line such that, um if we're you know as Redevelopment proceeds and highlights go to, Benson would be created. That.

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Comes out of TV, the southern line of the Blue Line yeah.

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Yeah, so that blue line is just fine and on the flat it shows 25 foot easement to net, so that dash line that alley would would run somewhere along the.

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Well, the the thing about it is that there are a lot of these infrastructure pieces that happen in small steps first plan for it accommodate it more Redevelopment happens. Eventually it becomes necessary to build it to either provide access or make properties work together, so we're at those very early stages where you're going to see plants that identify things that don't really do anything for the development or get built out. They just get identified um in anticipation the future Redevelopment and shared access between properties.

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So if the adjacent property doesn't redevelop for 20 years, that line just sort of sits there on paper uh until that time, um and- and we also know that in in the case where an alley is designated that comes out to State Highway- we're not going to see a connection to that unless the town um in the distant future takes over jurisdiction over that State Highway we've been told that keep sensing flatly by V translated, and so we accept that um we have.

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We have functional access from the existing drive that we begin to be built as a street. We're fine that way, but we're planning it and yeah.

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Yeah, that's what follows our findings of facts conclusion and conditions of approval. All our boilerplate, except the addition of um condition, number 12 and a motion for approval.

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So Eddie I assume we've read these conditions.

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um Is there anything else, you'd like to add.

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um I will only add that the um the subdivision is based on future development of block two um and that working with the proposal that will be coming into the town and the the northern East-West future Rusev right-of-way was developed based on that future.

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um Very sad right away, then on the regulating plan, and that is all I really have to add. The um the conditions of approval are acceptable and I don't have any problems with any of them, except number: seven um I'm wondering about the obtaining necessary sewer allocation or, if that um carries with the development of the lot versus the subdivision. Yeah.

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That's a boilerplate one that we could have struck, but it'll be n a because it's just a subdivision. Okay, so if the drb wanted, they could strike that condition. Yeah.

F

It just is part of getting any administrative permits, so it would be before you get a permit to build a building. You've got to have the super application.

D

Yep just wanted to clarify I didn't need allocation, for it would get lost. Nope.

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All right, um I'll open this up to the board for any questions.

B

I was wondering about the bank parking requirements and whether or not splitting up that other line is a problem at all and there's plenty of parking from from passing by there. But what are the rules around parking for the bank right.

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um The form-based code does have some parking requirements that we'll look at when a building is proposed. um The one thing in just sort of talking with the applicant about future development on this parcel that I did say is there's a lot of parking on this lot. There's a small amount of it, that's in what will become the setback to the new Street Bruce Avenue, and that we didn't want to count that parking, since it's non-conforming towards the necessary parking on the site.

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um But the code allows for a fairly minimal amount of parking and lets the applicant kind of work up from there, depending on what they think their needs are so for this for the development that this subdivision might create, there's plenty of parking within the code and functionally um we would have to keep you know every time something new is proposed out there. We would have to go back and look at shared parking and how it's all being managed.

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um So we have we have commercial and residential and shared and reserved parking requirements for this District that all kind of interact with one another, um and we would just look at it. Each time something's proposed.

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That the bank's fit for now, oh yeah,.

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Yeah, you know what snow was a lot too, is literally going to have all shared parking with somebody else, because there isn't not a lot of spaces on point. Eight Vapors.

F

Well, so um the code strongly encourages folks to park underneath buildings, so you'll see you'll likely see some structured parking um with a lot of new proposals out there um and for any residential use. There's some minimum Reserve parking. In other words, there needs to be parking, this reserve for the residential use and then some can spill over into shared if there's an issues building with commercial yeah and it's okay.

F

If it's on an adjacent plot, I guess, since we're looking at a subdivision, there's nothing about subdividing a parking lot that says you can't share across lot lines. You absolutely can.

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I, don't know that was it. That was it um so I guess opened up to anybody in the audience. Who would have a question.

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Yeah and if you're on zoom and you'd like to comment, you can let us know in the chat or press the raise hand, button foreign attendee has been done so.

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Any one last chance anybody here to comment. If so, then I am going to close this hearing at 7 31 pm.

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Going to ask or members whether you feel there's the need to go into deliberative session here anybody if any one person does, we will I, don't know.

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So if that is the case, I would ask if anybody.

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I know: okay right there: okay.

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uh Okay, as authorized by wdp 6.6.3 I'm Scott Riley moved into Williston development review board, having reviewed the application submitted in all of a company materials, including the recommendations of the Town staff and The Advisory Board, required to comment on the top of patient by the Williston development bylaw and, having earned in to considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of July 25 2023, except the finding the project, the inclusions of law for DP 23-17 and approved distance breaking during permit subject to the condition of the proposal.

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Above this approval authorizes, the applicant and filed final plans obtain approval of these plans from staff and then seek an administrative permit for the proposed development which must receive in strict conformance.

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With the plans on which this approval is based, any difference a second 300 seconds so before we vote is there any further discussion on this I mean all right. Well, then, we'll call the vote. Paul Christensen, aye, Lisa, Braden, Hardin hi goodbye, Riley, hi, David, Turner aye, the chair of the I, uh so we have five eyes: zero nose, motion capacities, don't believe, there's any communication final plan to draw the business tonight so the best submit we need to approve the minutes.

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June 27 2023, that's right.

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Thank you, Dave do I have a second second, second Paul. Second,.

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Let's uh we'll go through the votes there. Oh I should say any any discussion on that. uh Paul aye see you soon: bye, Scott, David, bye, third and I again, 5-0.

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