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From YouTube: The Southern Connector Environmental Injustice? - VICII
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From VICII:
Join VICII, the Vermont Institute of Community and International Involvement, to discuss the status of the long-awaited project to build the Southern Connector Highway, with Community Leader Steve Goodkind. Steve is a member of the Pine Street Coalition currently involved in litigation about the design of the connector.
The controversial project in progress since the eighties will recommence soon with a new design that will make the Southern connector run along our Lake and end at the low-income and minority neighborhood of the King Street community.
Steve Goodkind is a Civil Engineer and a community activist. He was the Project Director of the Southern Connector under Mayors Bernie Sanders and Peter Clavelle. He served as the Director of Public Works with Mayors Brownell and Weinberger.
For more information: vicii.org
10/12/2022
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A
Hi
I'm
here
at
the
King
Street
Longview,
my
name
is
Sandy
Baird
and
we
are
at
this
laundry
at
the
good
graces
of
the
owner
of
the
building
Andrew
Christensen,
and
he
has
decided
to
make
this
very
nice
laundry
into
also
public
space
where
we
could
do
public
events,
especially
with
those
events
which
affect
this
neighborhood,
and
that's
the
reason
we're
here
tonight,
because
if
there's
any
neighborhood,
that's
going
to
be
impacted
by
the
southern
connector.
This
is
it.
A
We
are
at
King
Street
and
if
you've
seen
our
map
that
we
also
have
been
part
of
this
show,
it
will
show
that
this
neighborhood
a
rather
moderate
income,
neighborhood
full
of
people
of
color.
This
is
the
neighborhood
where
the
southern
connector
will
course
through
this
neighborhood
and
have
the
greatest
impact
on
on
this
place.
With
me.
Tonight
is
Steve
Goodkind.
Who
is
the
former
civil
engineer
of.
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A
C
C
C
A
C
C
C
A
C
So
they're
seeing
that
map,
if
you
look
at
the
left
side,
there's
a
yellow
line,
it's
got
a
big
bend
in
it.
That's
the
south
end
of
the
project,
in
fact,
part
of
that
line.
The
part
that's
farthest
to
the
left.
That's
what
we
call
the
road
to
nowhere.
I
think
most
people
in
Burlington
could
have
been
down
to
the
South
End
have
seen
what
looks
like
a
interstate
highway,
but
it
seems
to
be
abandoned.
It's
overgrown,
nobody
uses
it.
Sometimes
cars
are
parked
on
it.
C
That's
a
piece
of
this
project
that
was
built
in
about
1985
1986,
but
never
opened
because
it
never
connected
anything.
If
you
follow
that
yellow
line,
it
makes
a
big
bend
and
it
hits
to
the
right.
That's
the
part
of
the
project
that
they're
building
right
now,
but
there's
one
caveat
to
that.
It
does
not
connect
to
the
road
to
nowhere.
C
So,
in
other
words
that
that
solid,
yellow
lie
would
have
a
gap
in
it
and
they're
not
intending
to
open
that
until
this
entire
roadway
is
completed
and
a
project
called
the
rail
Enterprise
project.
I'll
put
that
in
a
second
is
opened
so
anyway
the
project
continues
from
left
to
right
and
you
see
it's
got
a
sharp
Bend
and
it
makes
another
Bend
that's
Lakeside
Avenue.
At
that
point,
the
roadway
is
going
to
start
it's
going
to
stop
being
a
new
road.
C
It's
going
to
be
improvements,
column
improvements,
changes
are
going
to
be
made
to
the
existing
road
to
Lakeside
Avenue
and
then
to
Pine
Street,
as
we
continue
North
to
Main,
Street,
Main,
Street,
okay
right
and
that's
the
that's
the
project.
That's
configured
now
also
on
your
map.
You
can
see
in
the
top
right
I
believe
you'll,
see
like
an
orange
line.
Kind
of.
A
C
It
it's,
it
was:
it's
actually
a
piece
of
the
original
project
that
we
now
call
the
champagne
Parkway
or
Southern
connector.
When
I
was
a
project
manager,
we
did
an
environmental
impact
statement
and
got
a
record
of
decision
that
had
our
a
project
that
didn't
look
like
this.
Instead
of
that
last
little
piece
of
yellow
line
to
the
far
right.
The
project
followed
that
orange
line
and.
A
C
C
To
do
in
the
South
End
and
that
had
been
that
have
been
really
the
basis
of
this
project
from
day
one.
This
project
has
had
many
different
variants,
I
think
maybe
people
have
heard
about
the
pine
tree
Barge
Canal,
one
time
it
was
going
to
go
through
that,
that's
not
going
to
happen.
There
was
designs
that
had
this
roadway
out
over
the
water,
the
Waterfront,
but
every
concept
of
this
project
is
Champlain
Parkway
or
what
I
call
the
southern
connector
project.
C
That's
what
the
city
I
think
truly
believed
should
happen.
We
didn't
want
to
put
a
road
through
a
neighborhood.
We
wanted
to
put
the
roads
around
the
neighborhood
and,
in
fact,
get
the
traffic
out
of
the
neighborhood,
not
push
more
traffic
through
it,
and
that's
been
the
mantra
for
the
city
from
day.
One
of
this
project
and
no
version
ever
showed
it
going
up.
Pine
Street,
all
the
way
to
Main
Street
until
about
2008,
and
the
federal
government
told
us
that
they
would
only
build
the
project
if
we
did
it
that
way.
Okay,.
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A
C
How
many
lanes
is
this
as
well,
so
let's
go
back.
The
project
started
out
like
well
there's
something
called
an
megc
project.
These
are
projects
who
are
revised
back
in
the
70s.
It
stands
for
Municipal
economic
growth,
Center
yeah,
and
the
idea
was
to
build
highways
in
such
a
way
and
to
encourage
the
growth
of
urban
centers.
A
C
Burlington
is
one
of
them.
These
projects
usually
involve
some
kind
of
a
what
we
call
a
Ring
Road.
Let's
look
at
a
map
of
Boston
or
Houston
you'll
see,
there's
an
interstate
there's,
an
interstate
that
goes
to
the
city,
but
then
there's
a
series
of
ring
roads
that
go
around
the
city
right
and
those
kind
of
connect.
C
In
the
South
End
of
Burlington
and
out
in
South
Berlin,
that's
part
of
it,
the
circumventure
highway,
which
I
think
most
people
have
heard
about,
but
it
never
got
built.
The
effect
was
the
project
has
been
changed
drastically
from
what
it
was
going
to
be,
but
that
was
going
to
be
the
link.
So
you
would
have
had
this
continuous
Ring
Road
around
Burlington
and
then
the
southern
connector
and
the
northern
connector
we're
going.
B
C
The
Western
Edge
near
the
Waterfront
and
in
fact
the
northern
connector,
is
also
part
of
that
ring
Road
system,
so
some
of
it
exists
the
circumventure
Highway.
The
biggest
piece,
though,
is
not
going
to
happen
as
a
limited
access
Highway
by
limited
access,
Highway,
think
of
an
interstate.
It
doesn't
have
Curb,
Cuts
or
driveways
or
buildings
on
it.
It's
a
road
with
limited
access.
C
Only
at
certain
points
usually
involves
higher
speed,
travel
right,
the
just
a
say:
what
happened
to
this
the
circumvential
highway
they
made
this
opponents
made
a
case
that
that
was
not
necessarily
really
needed
was
a
road.
That
would
be
what
we
call
now.
A
complete
Street,
a
road
that
everyone
would
use
would
be
bicycles,
yeah,
just
more
usable
and
not
be
this
obstacle
going
through
the
area
yeah,
but
something
which
was
an
integratively
part
of
it
and
the
state
eventually
said.
Yes,
that's
what
we'll
do
and
that's
what
I
think
they're
still
planning
on
doing.
C
C
Well,
it
depends
where
you're
looking
at
it.
Here's
an
important
thing
to
note.
Originally,
it
was
going
to
be
a
four-lane,
limited
access,
Highway
very
similar
to
189,
not
a
lot
like
289,
because
it
only
289
only
has
really
two
or
three
lanes.
This
is
going
to
be
a
four
lane
and
maybe
five
or
six
Lanes
at
the
intersections.
That's
what
it
really
proposed
back
in
the
90s
Scott
Johnson
was
a
public
works.
C
Director
I
was
city,
engineer
and
Scott,
but
we
all
thought
this
road
was
just
overdone
overbuilt
and
he
persuaded
the
state
that
it
should
be
downsized
to
obviously
a
two-lane
road
instead
of
a
four-way
one
lane
in
each
Direction,
and
the
state
eventually
agreed
with
that,
and
so
the
road
in
different
areas
has
different
widths
from
from
well
the
road
to
nowhere
from
Shelburne
Road
to
Home
Avenue.
That
road
is
basically
like
an
interstate.
It's
got
the
four
lanes.
D
B
C
At
least
even
though
they're
decrepit
from
Home
Avenue
to
Lakeside
was
also
going
to
be
a
four
lane
Affair,
but
now
it's
going
to
be
a
two-lane
road
and
then
wider
at
the
intersections
and
then
Pine
Street
will
be
what
Pine
Street
is.
Now,
though
it
may,
some
places
have
a
third
lane
for
turning
yeah
and
be
more
of
a
complete
Street.
C
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
cut
in
half
and
size
from
what
it
originally
was
conceived
as
but
there's
one
other
caveat
to
that
from
home
to
Flynn
Avenue
there
are
businesses,
there's
homes,
there's
the
need
for
driveways
and
access
right.
You
can't
just
put
a
limited
access
Highway
through
there
and
not
do
something
with
the
existing
streets,
so
they
have
to
rebuild
and
replace
the
streets
on
the
stiff
I
mean
two
sides
of
the
connector,
so
that
there'll
be
a
way
to
have
access
to
the
buildings.
C
C
C
A
C
One's
doing
this
now,
no
one,
no
one
is
doing
this
now
were
the
last
ones
and
I
think,
but
it
really
boils
down
to.
It
really
boils
down
to
the
reason
we're
doing
it
is
personalities
and
its
personalities
at
the
Federal
Highway
Administration
district
office
in
Montpelier.
They
just
will
not
let
this
thing
go
and
be
changed.
The
same
way
that
say
the
circumventure
highway
was
changed.
They
just
want
it
to
be
built,
be
done
with
they.
E
C
The
project
does
some
things
that
are
positive
and
have
nothing
to
do
with
being
a
road
or
not
in
the
lower
air
to
the
down
slope.
Areas
of
Flynn,
home
Lyman,
Street,
Foster,
Street
they've
had
flooding
down
there
during
heavy
storms
for
years
and
part
of
what
this
project
would
do
when
it
passes
through
that
area.
C
Is
it's
going
to
put
a
storm
water
system
in
for
the
roadway,
and
it's
going
to
pick
up
those
streets
also,
so
one
thing
it
can
do
is
it
can
alleviate
storm
water
problems
in
some
of
those
neighborhoods
and
the
ponds
are
designed
to
treat
that
storm
water
before
it's
discharged
back
into
anglesby
Ravine
or
into
Lake
Champlain,
so
that
part
of
the
project
is
good
and
actually
could
be
a
standalone.
You
could
do
that
without
building
the
road
at
all
and
it
would
work
just
as
well
now.
C
The
other
thing
to
remember
about
this,
though,
is
they're
also
doing
under
the
guise
of
stormwater
they're,
putting
in
what
I
call
a
bridge,
it's
a
giant
Culvert
that
is
going
to
allow
the
roadway
to
cross
anglesby
Brook.
That
part
of
the
project
has
nothing
to
do
with
storm
water.
It
doesn't
treat,
it
doesn't
divert.
It
doesn't
in
any
way
do
anything
to
be
beneficial
to
the
lake.
As
far
as
stormwater
is
concerned,
it's
just
a
bridge.
C
It's
just
to
allow
angles,
be
Ravine
to
pass
through
this
large
Culvert
and
a
road
to
be
built
on
top
of
it.
So
there's
a
couple
things
going
on
down
there
now
they're
building
a
stormwater
system
which
could
benefit
some
of
those
neighborhoods.
Well,
the
road
is
built
or
not,
and
then
they're
doing
this
major
project
at
anglesby
Ravine,
which
has
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
storm
water.
It's
totally
for
the
road
and
that's
where
most
of
the
work
is
going
on
right.
A
C
C
Are
there,
let
me
ask
you,
let
me
ask
you
a
question.
Okay,
we
thought
at
a
recent
hearing
before
a
judge
at
our
case
and
we'll
talk
about
the
case
in
a
minute,
but
we
thought
the
judge
had
said
that
they
could.
This
construction
season
only
do
clearing
and
grubbing
that
means
cutting
down
trees
and
clearing
out
stumps
and
brush
and
installing
this
storm
water
system,
which
would
be
beneficial
to
the
community.
Even
if
there
was
no
Road
and
we
thought
the
judge
was
clear-
that's
what
he
would
let
them
do.
C
They've
like
I
said
I'll
say
this
again:
the
road
has
changed
twice
now
in
the
say
last
20
years,
the
first
was
it
was
originally
going
to
go
through
the
Pine
Street
Barge
Canal.
That
route
would
have
taken
it
directly,
north
and
south
about
two
or
three
hundred
feet
to
the
west
of
Pine
Street,
a
completely
new
road,
but
the
problems
with
the
Barge
Canal
turned
out
to
be
insurmountable
and
no
road
is
ever
going
to
be
built
through
there.
Scott
Johnstone
was
a
public
works
director
I'm,
a
city
engineer.
C
Scott
came
up
with
a
proposal
that
we
would
go
around
the
Barge
Canal
use,
Pine
Street
and
then
in
the
vicinity
of
Curtis
Lumber
in
the
old
Street
Department
yard.
We
would
turn
back
to
the
West
again
through
the
rail
yard,
into
Battery
Street
and
thus
continue
to
avoid
the
king
Maple
Street
neighborhood,
which
in
the
original
design,
would
have
been
completely
bypassing.
So
that's
one
change,
then.
C
C
Way
it's
going
to
be,
and
they
basically
said,
take
it
or
leave
it.
If
you
don't
like
that,
then
there's
no
project
and
we
try
to
fight
that
process
for
about
two
or
three
years
and
finally,
at
the
end
they
said,
if
you
don't
stop
fighting
this,
we're
going
to
stop
paying
all
the
bills,
we're
going
to
basically
shut
you
down
and
eventually
what
was
it?
C
C
Original
30
years
it
was
never
part
of
various
designs
of
this
product,
never
a
part
of
it.
This
is
the
last
I'll
say
a
last
minute
thing,
and
the
reason
I
believe
is,
is
what
I
think
is
I.
Think
it's
actually
a
personal
thing.
I
mentioned
this
megc
funding
earlier.
What
that
funding?
Does
it
provides
95
Federal
money
for
Highway
projects?
Three
percent
state
two
for
City.
That
percentage
for
the
city
is
very,
very
low,
very
advantageous.
C
Normally
cities
pay
10
to
20
percent,
so
five
to
ten
times
as
much
as
we're
going
to
pay
for
this
road.
So
that
gave
this
road
kind
of
legs,
but
a
project
has
gone
on
for
so
long
and
all
the
Vermont
megc
projects
went
on
for
so
long.
None
of
them
were
ever
built
and
now,
when
the
new
Federal
Highway
administrators
come
to
Vermont,
the
first
thing
they
want
to
know
is
about
these
megc
products
like
the
last
of
the
dinosaurs.
No
other
state
has
these
projects
with
active
products
anymore
and
back
in
the
2000s.
C
Just
as
a
lead
into
it,
even
the
city
at
the
time,
just
who
is
the
mayor,
this
was
the
mayor.
Nobody
won
this.
We
had
fought
it
for
three
years
to
take
for
them
to
take
this
decision
back
and
let
us
go
with
the
route
that
went
around
the
neighborhood
and
finally,
they
just
wouldn't
do
it
in
the
city
said:
okay,
if,
if.
B
C
C
C
Going
through
the
neighborhood
he
he
picked
up
on
something
we
were
trying
to
do
the
last
waning
days
of
Kiss
Administration
and
come
up
with
another
reason
to
still
take
the
roadway
through
the
rail
yard
to
Battery
Street,
and
he
came
up
with
a
a
bigger
version
of
that
and
promoted
it,
and
that
project
is
somewhat
alive
right
now,
though,
it's
many
many
years
away
from
being
completed.
If
that
project
is
completed,
it's
the
rail
Enterprise
project
that
would
take
the
traffic
and
take
it
around
this
neighborhood.
C
C
Coalition
right
filed
a
lawsuit
against
the
project
and
the
project
looked
like
it
was
about
to
go
to
construction
then,
and
that
lawsuit
contended
a
bunch
of
things.
Some
of
them
were
environmental
concerns
about
the
project
down
in
the
South
End,
and
one
of
them
was
a
concern
about
environmental
justice.
C
C
Says
you
don't
build
a
federal
project
through
a
low-income
or
minority
or
both
neighborhood,
and
this
is
it
this
qualifies
as
one
and
that's
the
reason
without
using
the
term
environmental
justice.
That
was
always
the
city's
position.
You're
not
going
to
put
this
through
this
neighborhood.
You
never
wanted
to.
C
C
A
C
A
C
C
A
C
Was
it
was
a
historic
neighborhood
versus
environmental
justice
issue
historic
neighborhood
put
over
right?
Okay,
so,
but
when
Obama
became
president,
they
changed
that
and
they
strengthened
those
laws,
and
now
they
do
Trump
just
about
everything
else.
This
idea
of
environmental
justice
correct
in
our
lawsuit,
that
was
a
big
part
of
it
and
to
I
think
everyone's
surprise.
The
federal
government,
through
their
federal
attorney
in
Burlington,
responded,
saying
you've
got
five
issues,
plaintiffs,
four
of
them.
We
think
we're
good
with.
We
don't
think,
there's
any
issue
there.
C
A
C
Don't
know
if
this
ever
happened
anywhere
else
before,
but
the
federal
government
rescinded
their
record
of
decision,
which
decided
it
was
going
to
go
practically
go
up
main
blah
blah
blah
and
he
went
back
and
said
you
got
to
do
your
environmental
impact
stuff
again
and
we
have
to
issue
a
new
record
of
decision
and
we'll
see
what
comes
out
of
that.
That
was
for
us
a
huge
victory.
C
But,
as
always
seems
to
happen,
the
then
when
they
stayed
and
the
FEDS
in
the
city
bureaucrats
got
a
hold
of
this
thing.
They
basically
did
what
I
would
just
call
a
whitewash
I
mean
they.
They
went
through
what
looked
like
the
Motions,
but
didn't
change
a
thing
and
said
it
was
always
okay,
which
is
really
counter
to
the.
What
the
federal
attorney
had
even
said
when
he
said
wait
a
minute
it
doesn't
pass
muster
all
of
a
sudden.
Now
it
passes,
muster
okay.
A
C
Well,
I,
well,
they're
thinking.
One
thing
to
note
is
when
the
record
decision
was
rescinded.
That
was
the
golden
opportunity
for
all
the
people
involved
in
the
project
to
redo
it
and
do
it
the
way
they
wanted.
The
mayor
who
I
said
knows
better
about
this.
That
was
his
opening
to
say.
Okay,
let's
do.
C
A
modern
project,
a
complete
Street,
let's
deal
with
the
environmental
justice,
let's
get
the
project
out
of
the
neighborhood
could
have
done
all
of
that.
Instead,
with
his
state
and
federal
allies,
they
just
hunkered
down
and
say
we're
not
changing
anything
they
went
forward.
They
were
just
given
the
keys
to
the
kingdom.
F
C
A
C
C
C
C
You
want
to
call
it,
it
would
be
illegal
yeah,
that's
what
it
is
forget
about
ethics.
It's
you
just
don't
do
that
anymore,
but
it
was
commonly
done
in
the
past.
It's
done
all
over
the
place.
It's
not
a
coincidence
that
the
McNiel
generating
plan
which
is
closed
now,
the
old
Coast
plan
is
where
it
is
and
if
you
lived
in
the
then
it
was
a
moderate
income
neighborhood
just
downwind
of
it
I
used
to
live
there
right.
A
B
C
C
People
are
building
their
own,
the
city,
state
federal
government
and
they
set
the
hearing
schedule.
So
there
aren't
a
lot
of
hearings.
There's
been
a
couple
and
there's
been
a
big,
a
long
record
of
what
was
said
at
those
hearings
and
they
had
to
respond
to
answer
those.
What
was
set
up
the
hearings
and
if
you
look
at
what
they've
they
basically
just
blew
with
everything
off
that
everything's.
Okay,
that's
the.
C
A
A
C
I'll,
let
them
go
that
far,
but
they
don't
go
any
farther
until
we
have
had
hearings
and
there's
been
a
ruling
on
the
environmental
issues
and
that
no
construction
next
year.
Until
that
happens,
that's
what
he
said
and
this
thing
is
bounced
around
since
then.
He's
issued
other
orders
and
they
become
at
least
in
the
minds
of
the
city
and
the
state
more
ambiguous
to
the
point
where
they
think
now
they
can
do
whatever
they
want
to.
C
Just
about
are
they're
down
there
just
doing
whatever
they
want
to
do,
and
it's
all
claimed
to
be
part
of
the
storm
water
system
or
now
they're
saying
the
angles
be
Ravine
covert,
which
I
talked
about
that's
part
of
stormwater.
It's
not
it's
just
not,
and
we
are
hoping
on
Friday
that
the
judge
will
clarify.
C
C
D
C
D
A
A
C
D
D
C
A
C
G
C
C
A
E
F
C
C
It's
by
far
not
100
deal
in
fact,
I
think
it's
very
close
to
100
winnable
winnable
on
the
environmental
justice
question
and
we're
winning
it
not
sure
what
the
judge.
Let's
say
he
ruled
in
our
favor
what
he
would
do
would
he
require
a
whole
new
environmental
impact
statement
on
the
whole
Road,
or
would
he
say
well
this
part
of
it's
done
we're
not
going
back
there,
we'll
just
look
at
the
northern
section,
but
that
would
be
a
win
anything
that
gets
them
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
plan.
C
C
That
he
thought
that
was
our
strong
point.
He
didn't
think
some
of
our
environmental
concerns
were
weighty
enough
at
the
time
and
timely
enough,
but
he
thought
that
the
he
thought
that
the
environmental
justice
stuff
that
was
good
stuff
he's
not
saying
he's
going
to
rule
on
it
in
our
favor,
but
he
was
holding
that
out
as
he
thought
that
was
a
stronger
strongest
part
of
our
case.
A
One
one
problem,
though
Diane
as
you
know,
is
that
lawyers
cost
a
lot
of
money,
and
so
the
people
who
have
the
money
and
the
power
in
this
community
have
put
a
lot
of
money
into
this
situation,
and
the
opposition
are
just
normal
people
like
Steve,
and
we
and
it's
difficult
to
pay
the
legal
fees
that
are
necessary
to
keep
this
fight
going.
So
if
anybody
cares
to
donate
for
our
lawyers,
that
would
be
wonderful
and
that
would
be
I,
don't
know
nothing.
Now,.
C
C
C
C
C
We
don't
want
to
just
accept
checks
at
this
point
or
anything
we
would
want
to.
You
know
where
it's
going
to
make
sure
we
have
a
bank
account
that
we
control
that
it's
going
into.
So
that's
that's
my
suggestion.
If
people
want
to
help
that's
the
best
way
and
show
up
show
up,
for
instance,
at
this,
this
status
conference.
G
But
right
so
I
should
say
that
that
in
meetings,
Steve
is
now
sort
of
in
charge
of
where
Tony
was
in
charge.
In
terms
of
this
Pine
Street
Coalition.
And
it's
critical
that
the
money
go
into
a
new
account
correct,
because
what
we
learned
was
that
some
of
the
accounts
that
have
been
set
up
on
websites
really
weren't
useful.
C
Yes,
you
make
it
right:
Point,
Diane,
I'm,
I'm,
now
picking
up
from
Tony,
but
I
have
a
long
way
to
go
to
get
fully
up
to
speed,
but
one
of
the
first
things
we're
going
to
do
is
instead
of
an
account,
a
bank
account,
probably
at
opportunities.
Credit
Union
and
everything
will
track
through
there
and
there'll
be
just
an
easy
way
to
know
what
came
in
and
where
it
went.
And
that's
that's
something
that's
about
to
happen,
but
it
doesn't
have
not
happened.
E
C
C
A
D
C
It
was
going
to
be
last
Saturday,
some
canceled,
it
I
think
that
will
happen,
but
it's
it's
hard
because
he
died
unexpectedly
and
there
was
not
a
the
ability
to
have
some
kind
of
a
smooth
transition.
All
of
a
sudden
he
was
gone.
He
had
all
his
passwords,
he
had
all
the
rights
to
everything
and
we
slowly
began
to
piece
that
back
together,
so
that
we
can
continue
with
the
same
framework
but
other
people
now
taking
over
some
of
the
responsibilities.
A
A
A
C
City
and
it
was
a
separated
grade,
so
this
thing
was
lower
than
the
rest
of
the
roads
around
it,
and
eventually
they
ended
up
putting
it
underground
and
built
parks
and
other
stuff
on
top,
so
there's
no
more
roadway
separating
the
neighborhoods
and
the
vicinities
of
Boston.
So
that's
an
example
about
undoing
this
Pete
budicek,
who
is
the
Secretary
of
Transportation,
now
has
talked
about
undoing
some
of
these
in
the
past
that
have
been
done.
Some
of
them,
you
cannot
do,
but
some
you
probably
can't
and
you're
going
to
see
that
happen.
C
A
C
A
C
C
State
in
the
city
wow
three
of
them
each
one
would
say
if
the
other
one
wants
to
do
something
they'll,
consider
it
and
the
other
one
would
say:
well,
no,
you
have
to
choose
it's
like
just
pointing
the
finger
at
each
other,
saying
you're,
going
to
decide
whether
we
can
do
this
or
not,
and
nobody
decided
what
they
really
were
doing
behind
the
scenes
is
sticking
together
and
making
sure
nothing
changed,
and
this
thing
just
pulled
the
head
and
got
built.
That's
what
they
intended
to
do.
A
D
D
C
What
has
to
happen
is
easy:
a
different
route
may
have
to
be
found
or
some
way
to
make
them
whole
I.
Think
that
could
be
a
problem,
that's
right
because
they
need
that
space,
but
with
the
problem
with.
That,
though,
is
of
course
once
they
build
this
version
and
they
build
the
version
that
goes
up
high
in
the
main
and
across
King
in
in
Maple,
once
they
do
that,
if
people
are
going
to
contest
the
rail
Enterprise
project,
which
was
rewrote
the
traffic
around
the
neighborhood,
it'll
never
happen
they'll.
C
Never,
this
neighborhood
will
just
have
this
new
traffic
imposed
on
it
and
there'll
never
be
any
relief,
and
that's
part
of
the
problem
of
what's
going
on
today.
Everyone's
got
to
get
on
the
same
page.
We
have
to
find
a
way.
If
we
don't,
then
all
the
promises
that
the
rail
Enterprise
project
will
take
care
of
the
problems
of
the
connector
causes
with
traffic.
It's
not
going
to
happen
and
that's
what
we're
concerned
about.
C
So
that
includes
any
Capital
money
that
might
go
to
the
rail
Enterprise
project.
So
our
concern
is
that
the
real
Enterprise
project
now
is
being
held
up
as
the
answer
to
the
problems
that
the
southern
connector
will
create
for
King
and
maple.
But
it's
a
pipe
dream.
Something
has
to
change
it's
a
pipe
dream
and
they
probably
should
not
have
built
the
piece
of
the
building.
Now,
if
it's
dependent
on
that
real
Enterprise
project,
because
it's
going
to
be
the
second
road
to
nowhere,
it's
just
going
to
sit
unused
and
one
interesting
fact.
C
People
should
know
also
back
in
the
90s.
They
were
about
to
build
the
same
section
of
roadway
they're
building
now
and
at
the
time
Governor
Dean.
At
the
last
minute,
they
were
ready
to
go
out
the
bid
he
personally
intervened
and
said
you're
not
going
forward
with
this
project
until
you
figure
out
what
you're
going
to
do
with
the
North
End.
C
So
we've
been
here
before
the
governor
stopped
it,
but
somehow
memories
get
fuzzy
and
the
FEDS
in
the
state
go
back
to
their
own
ways
and
keep
pushing
the
project
again
and
now
we're
trying
to
do
the
same
thing.
Stop
it
and
I
wish
we'd
stopped
it
before
they
spent
a
lot
of
money
on
what
they're
doing
now,
because
that
could
be
another
road
to
nowhere
for
a
long
time
and
when
people
see
how
big
a
project
it
is
that
it's
not
one
road,
but
it's
three
roads
in
some
areas.
C
C
C
Do
whatever
you
want,
doesn't
gonna
cost
the
city,
hardly
anything
and
that's
been
a
curse
in
the
end,
because
the
city
has
come
up
with
this
boondoggle
that
they
don't
have
to
worry
about
the
public,
supporting
it
or
not,
because
the
feds
are
paying
for
almost
all
of
it.
And
you
end
up
with
something
like
this.
It
seems
like
it's
sort
of
out
of
control,
instead
of
looking
at
something
like
what
were
the
alternatives,
and
we
gave
them
that
chance
to
do
that
again
in
the
last
few
years
and
they
refused
to
do
it.
C
They
could
have
looked
at
the
whole
thing
again
looked
at
it
in
light
of
2020
designs
and
2020
needs
and
2020
understandings,
no
they're,
looking
at
it
in
terms
of
1960
and
1970
understandings.
That's
what
we're
stuck
with
and
it's
it's
egos
again.
You
have
a
mayor
who
knows
that
I,
don't
I'm,
not
a
big
fan,
but
he
knows
what's
right
here.
This
isn't
like
he
thinks
this
is
really
good
and
no
problems.
Let's
do
it.
C
He
knows
it's
really
bad
and
he's
trying
to
come
up
with
ways
to
fix
it
later
when
they
should
have
just
stopped
it
and
not
gone
forward
until
they
could
do
it
right.
The
first
time
which
is
sort
of
our
motto:
let's
not
do
it
and
then
have
to
fix
it.
Let's
just
wait.
Take
a
breath
redesign
and
do
it
right.
G
I
just
want
to
add
that,
as
as
Steve
knows,
the
problems
are
from
one
end
to
the
other
and
and
we're
no
longer
talking
about
the
first
leg
of
it,
because
that's
sort
of
underway,
but
the
Dead
ending
of
Pine
Street
as
it
arrives
in
South
Burlington,
is
one
of
the
really
critical
pieces.
That's
missing
in
this
whole
puzzle
as
well,
so.
C
And
one
thing
to
note:
that's
of
Interest
I
think
correspondents
were
the
mayor
and
the
public
Arts
director
have
asked
the
state
and
the
FEDS
if
they
can
change
that
they
know
that's
wrong
now.
Maybe
it
looked
pretty
good
20
years
ago,
30
years
ago
it
doesn't
look
good
now
they
asked
if
that
could
be
changed
and
they
were
told.
No,
so
they
know
better.
C
They
want
to
change
it
too,
why
they
aren't
fighting
harder
for
it
or
why
they
didn't
I,
don't
really
know,
but
they
do
know
that
that's
not
good,
and
they
also
know
that
this
stuff-
that's
going
to
happen
up
at
King,
Maple
and
pine,
is
not
good.
Yet
they
somehow
feel
they'll
be
able
to
fix
it
sometime
in
the
future.
C
B
C
C
But
if
you're
going
to
build
a
road
and
start
digging
and
doing
other
activities
out
there,
you're
gonna
have
to
deal
with
it,
so
that
cost
alone,
even
if
a
lot
of
the
regular
stuff
is
being
paid
for
by
the
state
that
fits
the
pollution
stuff,
is
all
on
us
and
God
knows
what's
out
there.
So
it
could
be
quite
a
unfortunately
quite
a
bill.
B
A
A
You
and
figure
out
maybe
a
way
that
you
could
donate
for
our
legal
expenses
or
for
Steve
and
the
Pine
Street
coalition's,
Legal
expenses,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us
and
we
will
be
back
in
a
couple
weeks
again
thanks,
Andrew
Christensen,
who
is
now
the
owner
of
the
King
Street
laundry,
and
he
has
made
this
space
available
to
us
and
to
other
people
who
will
use
this
laundry
as
a
laundry
as
you
can
all
tell
from
the
people
coming
in,
but
as
a
real
place
to
do
real
educational
events.
So
thank
him.