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A
Okay,
so
you
know
the
school
budget
and
candidates
and
those
those
kinds
of
issues
will
resurface
for
January
and
I.
For
those
anybody
who
hasn't
really
focused
on
the
calendar
Talent
meeting
day
is
Actually
March
7th
this
year.
So
it
gives
us
another
whole
week,
actually
two
weeks
between
our
February
meetings
at
the
end
of
February
and
town
meeting
day.
A
Get
an
engines-
oh
well:
oh
I
thought
we
were
having
our
meeting
in
December
yeah.
Okay,
well,
yeah!
All
right,
we'll
figure
that
out,
because
we
have
yes,
y'all
see
I'm
going
to
show
up
at
Jeff's
office
and
nobody
was
going
to
be
there.
So
yeah
I
guess
that's
another
opportunity
to
say
that
we
are
going
to
skip
the
December
meeting.
There
will
be
no
December
NBA
meeting,
because
that
would
fall
on
the
week
between
Christmas
and
New
Year,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
work
on
our
planning.
In
the
meantime.
A
E
F
E
G
G
I
J
G
K
G
I
I
need
to
refresh
myself.
We
last
I
knew
we've
ordered
four
thousand
new
toters
and
their
sort
of
backlogs.
So
you
pass
the
requirement
that
everybody
will
have
a
toner
there's
a
phase-in
period
to
for
people
to
do
that
and
I
think
the
Burlington
waste
people
are
going
to
be
advertising
that
so
buy
a
deadline
and
I
think
it's
late
winter,
everyone's
going
to
have
to
get
themselves
a
toter
that
are
being
subsidized
by
the
city
and
we
will
no
longer
have
the
blue
boxes
based.
A
G
Has
not
been
waived
globally,
it'll
be
individual
ways
to
waive
it.
They're
pretty
modestly
priced
but
you'll
have
to
pay
for
a
portion
of
your
children
like.
If
you
have
it
picked
up,
you
still
have
the
option
of
doing
your
own
recycling,
so
you
can
bring
it
to
the
waste
District
on
Patton
Road.
At
this
point
in
time,
the
pine
tree
info
is
still
only
accepting
food.
L
A
My
my
gut
reaction
to
that
is
is
that
I'm
kind
of
disappointed
that
the
city
is
not
going
to
cover
those
costs,
given
the
amount
of
money
that
the
city
has
spent
on
all
sorts
of
other
projects,
I
think
that
you
know
providing
covering
the
cost
of
our
loot
holders.
You
know,
in
order
to
facilitate
that
recycling
I
think
is,
would
be
more
than
appropriate
on
the
city's
Parc.
So
that
is
my
personal.
G
Opinion
it's
about
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
the
city
is
paying,
it
is
paying.
So
your
contributions
are
to
to
reduce
it
to
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
you
know
again:
they
they
are
willing
and
cows.
All
alone
will
make
so
appropriate.
Pillow
really
can't
pay
the
30
or
the
twenty
five
dollars,
but
it
costs
for
the
coder
they
pay
for
the
recycling.
So
you
know
it's.
G
M
A
M
N
G
G
A
G
G
I
know
you
have
been
working
I've
served
on
the
charter
change
committee,
there's
actually
at
least
three
one
of
them
you've
heard
about,
which
is
a
provision
to
allow
legal
non
citizens
to
vote
in
local
elections.
We've
been
discussing
that
on
and
off
for
a
number
of
years
it
sort
of
came
up
just
pre-covered
and
then
got
put
on
the
shelf
and
it's
back
on.
In
the
meantime,
the
cities
of
Winooski
and
Montpelier
have
passed
ordinances
and
Charter
changes
to
reflect
that
and
we're
really
following
suit.
G
Our
our
chains
looks
very
familiar
similar
to
Winooski
and
that
will
be
on
the
March
ballot.
I
think
I
was
not
able
to
come
in
the
September
meeting,
but
I
think
you
hear
about
that
and
not
much
has
changed
on
that.
We've
been
doing
a
lot
of
Outreach
with
various
constituencies
and
folks
that
would
be
affected.
So
that's
going
to
happen.
There'll
be
a
charter
change
to
allow
more
flexibility
in
the
sighting
of
polling
places
and
that's
really
being
presented
as
an
option
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
G
There's
been
an
interest
really
in
this
end
of
town,
about
whether
there
might
be
more
flexible
space
and
the
current
Charter
language
prescribes
it
to
be
in
the
ward
that
the
Voting
is,
and
this
might
allow
us
for
us
to
combine.
Maybe
we
could
put
a
polling
place
in
the
new
high
school
for
both
Wards.
G
As
we
look
at
redistricting,
there
may
be
some
need
to
change.
For
instance,
Edmonds
may
be
affected
by
depending
on
what
Ward
configuration,
so
this
it's
an
option
that
would
allow
us
to
consider
spaces
either
combined
or
not
physically,
in
the
location
of
the
ward,
if
if
that
is
necessary
and
that
we
added
language
good
language
to
do
that
in
consultation
with
the
ward
clerks
and
the
other
elected
officials.
G
That
has
when
we
do
that
two
years
ago,
we
there
was
a
strong
interest
by
some
number
of
people
to
bring
it
back
at
that
time.
There
was
concerns
about
concerns
about
it.
There
was
what
I
had
thought
was
sort
of
a
compromise
which
was,
let's
see
how
it
works.
Reinstituting
it
for
Council
races,
and
that
is
in
fact
happening.
It's
happening
next
week
in
the
East
District.
G
G
A
G
It
is
not
which
I
personally
think
is
unfortunate.
Nobody
was
on
the
council
opposed
it.
I
think
there
was
a
sense
that
we
already
have
three
other
initiatives,
that
it
would
be
confusing
to
people
to
have
the
actual
redistricting
item
on
the
ballot
and
and
then
this
other
item
that
would
allow
us
the
ability
to
have
the
city
council
itself
determine
districting.
I
have
been
promised
and
I'm
saying
it
publicly
here
by
some
of
my
peers
that
we
will
try
to
do
that
next
year.
G
Well
and
I
get
I
mean
right
now.
It's
we're
behind
schedule.
Part
of
our
problem
with
redistricting
is
we've
been
very
governed
by
having
to
make
our
own
decisions
and
then
we
have
to
send
it
off
to
the
legislature
which
effectively
slows
everything
down,
and
there
are
a
few
communities
in
the
state
that
make
their
own
decision
basically.
But
the
voters
decide
so
in
either
case
the
voters
will
vote.
G
I.
Think
of
that
again,
but
you
know
the
city
I
mean
one
of
the
problems
with
the
city.
Is
it
has
spots
of
growth
that
you
can't
predict
and
SO
waiting
10
years
too
late?
Keep
you
out
of
whack
and
there's
probably
an
argument
to
be
said
that
we
should
look
at
that
every
year,
not
that
you
do
it
every
year,
but
you
know
if
you
move
all
of
a
sudden
and
have
a
thousand
more
residents
in
one
District,
you
really
should
do
it
sooner
than
waiting
10
years
to
figure
it
out.
G
J
G
G
So
they
want
to
make
it
essentially
easier
and
binding
to
put
things
on
a
ballot,
so
that
was
a
citizen
initiative.
It
wasn't
it
wasn't.
It
is
not
under
active
consideration
at
this
point
in
time
with
the
city
council
I'm
expecting
in
the
next
year,
we'll
probably
see
something
but
there's
nothing
currently
about
that.
L
Q
Q
Yeah,
it's
it's
amazing,
so
I
heard
about
it
just
as
a
transition.
This
came
back
from
you
know
the
parks,
arts
and
culture
community,
and
we
had
an
extensive
discussion
about
Public
Safety
in
the
Parks,
and
today
we
hosted
the
chief
of
police.
We
also
hosted
of
my
neighbor
director
of
burdens
and
Parks
and
Recreation
Cindy
right
to
just
tell
us
about
enforcements
that
need
to
happen
in
the
park,
especially
in
downtown
Park
City
Hall
Park.
Q
As
you
all
know,
there
has
been
a
murder
not
long
ago,
and
you
know
drug
dealing,
meth,
cooking,
meth,
smoking.
Everything
is
just
like
a
mess
right
now,
but
now
we're
looking
into
the
spring
of
2023.
What
can
be
done
right
now
like
so
that
when
spring
opens
and
people
start
to
come
up
what
can
be
done
in
terms
of
unforesing
field?
City,
existing
ordinances
separated
this
great
wonderful
conversation
happened
and
also
we
all
agreed
that
we
need
to
move
away
from
punitive
approaches.
You
know
not
a
piecemeal
approach
for
the
positive
we
need.
N
P
Q
Terms
of
built-in
relationship
with
people
who
are
affected
and
also
this
discussion
will
continue
and
I
believe
that
consulate
Bible
did
put
something
on
the
inviting
people
to
show
up,
and
that
will
be
amazing
next
time.
If
you
can
show
that
would
be
great
because
more
perspective,
the
better
Evan
was
there
today
and
he
brought
an
amazing
idea
that
even
the
chief
of
police
have
agreed
upon.
If
everyone
is
here,
he
can
talk
about
it
more.
So
that's
one
and
I
think
too.
Q
As
you
know,
the
racial
equity
and
Christian
and
belonging
as
a
new
director
right.
This
is
amazing
Clarkson
and
she,
unfortunately
she
doesn't
live
in
the
new
north
end,
but
she
lives
in
the
old
North
End.
That's
good,
and
you
know
that
reib
commission
is
exploring
the
creation
of
a
commission.
It's
like
Park,
commission
police,
commission
of
commission
that
will
look
into
racial
Equity
inclusion
and
below
me
in
the
City
of
Burlington
I.
Q
Believe
our
next
meeting
is
on
the
20th,
which
is
December
four
days
five
days
before
Christmas,
and
we
also
would
love
people's
perspective
before
we
send
it
to
child
agent
in
order
to
go
to
the
power
potentially
in
March,
2023,
right
and
I.
Think
councilor
500
did
you
talk
about
range
Choice
voting
right
and
basically
it
would
be
under
parlor,
but
this
time
it
would
be
for.
N
G
Q
A
G
N
G
N
A
R
R
R
Believe
yeah,
but
there's
also
a
legal
challenge:
I
think
that
had
been
injured
and
I,
don't
know
if
it's
been
resolved
as
to
allowing
that
to
happen,
but
the
Secretary
of
State's
office
has
been
Consulting
with
how
ballots
need
to
be
prepared
and
distributed.
So
there
is
not
that
intermixing
that
you
are
mentioning
Jeff
you.
You
basically
have
a
separate
list
of
persons
who
are
qualified
for
the
non-citizen
ballot,
but
then
people
that
are
qualified
for
the
broader
than
just
the
local
community
ballot.
R
So
if
you
in
Burlington,
your
non-citizen
would
be
able
to
vote
on
school
issues,
but
not
on
tech
center
issues,
because
that
crosses
the
geographic
line.
And
you
know
that's
where
things
get
a
little
funky
similar
to
what
happened
with
the
solid
waste
District
thing,
which
was
specifically
excluded
from
that
bill
by
the
Committees,
because
the
there
is
no
Conformity
as
to
variations
on
lines
for
solid
waste
districts
in
Burlington,
it's
kind
of
a
town
in
the
Northeast
Kingdom
and
it's
four
five
six
seven
towns
across
Three
Counties.
R
So
those
are
things
that
they
just
have
not
worked
out
yet
so
yeah
there
we
go.
That's
at
least
the
right
choice,
while
I'm
speaking,
though
I
probably
would
or
that's
non-citizen
while
I'm
occupying
your
ears,
I'd
say
that
the
ranked
Choice
thing
is
going
to
get
a
little
touchy,
because
when
we
approved
ranked
Choice
last
time
there
were
a
lot
of
representations
made
by
the
City
attorney.
R
I
would
not
be
surprised
that
there
will
be
a
lot
of
people
that
will
want
to
look
a
lot
more
critically
at
the
system,
that's
being
used
in
ranked
choice
and
how
much
of
a
Pandora's
Box
it's
opening
up,
because
when
you
know
basically
a
fifth
of
the
population
of
the
state
kind
of
falls
under
a
particular
system
that
has
a
tendency
to
migrated.
If
it's
not
the
best
system,
then
it
deserves
examination.
I
think
you
may
recall
that,
probably
close
to
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
I
sent
out
something
on
front.
R
L
R
A
L
A
C
S
S
S
Voting
is,
as
you
know,
a
very
important
part
of
every
single
Community
being
as
a
participation
to
that
voting
process
from
most
of
the
community
actually
does
bring
that
feeling
of
a
sense
of
belonging,
a
sense
of
having
a
voice
and
really
participate
to
what
is
community,
which
is
being
able
to
say
and
being
able
to
decide
on
what
we
are
all
experiences
at
experiencing
us
a
life
within
the
the
community
itself.
So
the
second.
S
The
second
reason
why
we
have
created,
which
is
now
on
501c3
non-profit
organization,
was
to
dismountain
all
those
barriers
that
we
know
are
present
for
newcomers
that
really
put
difficulties
when
it
comes
to
their
progress
and
their
Journey
For
You
know
to
fulfill
economically
culturally
socially
alive
to
a
home
that
is
called
Vermont
Autumn.
That
is
called
Burlington.
You
know
what
seven
you
know
that
and
for
me,
so
you
know
as
part
of
our
mission,
which
is
really.
S
Really,
in
a
sense,
very
important
and
very
crucial
for
all
of
us,
you
have
seen
that
most
new
American
communities
as
today
I
think
ADI
and
I.
We
are
the
two.
The
two
I
do
believe:
I,
don't
know
if
that's
because
from
other
communities
here
and
UMass
communities,
but
I'm
not
present,
and
it's
not
that
there
is
no
will
most
of
the
group
that
are
Community
leaders.
They
are
a
wide
range
of
people
that
have
been
through
the
process.
Understand
the
system
understand
the
process.
S
We
have
program
managers,
we
have
directors,
we
have
a
really
some
kind
of
the
the
but
people
that
lives.
Among
Us
are
not
really
present.
You
might
see
a
one
of
two
or
three
or
several
families
coming
and
passing
through
when
it's
time
to
vote,
but
the
understanding
of
what
that
vote
means
and
what
they
vote
for
cannot
be
under
and
underestimated.
S
We
have
a
need
to
make
every
single
citizen
understand
why
and
what
they
are
voting
for,
and
this
is
what
we
are
trying
by
educating
our
communities
really
make
them
engage
and
participate
to
this
process.
That's
that
are
actually
supposed
to
be
a
a
common,
a
common,
a
common
process
to
come
and
go
so
to
talk
about
v-neck,
because
I
I
can
go
over
and
over
for
a
long
time.
Talking
about
why
we
have
come
to
the
point
where
we
thought
that
we
needed
really
an
organization
to
push
that
to
push
that
initiative
forward.
S
S
But
our
mentioned
funders
are
aware
and
are
development
Community
physician
we
were
also
funded
and-
and
it's
always
two
and
four
Civic
engagements,
with
participation
to
the
new
American
community,
so
ARP
funded
us
and
right
now
the
City
of
Burlington,
racial
equity
office
and
belonging
is
also
a
funding
some
of
our
projects.
So
what
have
we
done?
You
may
ask
okay,
so
we
have
done
a
voter
registration
drive.
This
gave
us
really
a
good
sense
of
who
actually
were
coming.
S
So
we
we
had
a
few
success
in
several
communities,
but
not
as
we
hoped
right,
so
we
knew
that
there
was
definitely
a
problem
with
Urban
League.
This
is
something
that
we
assess
right.
Communication
is
one
information
is
true
in
education
really
and
actually
the
action
are
actually
reporting
and
voting
for
whom
and
why
and
forth.
S
We
have
done
the
mayoral
candidate
Forum
in
2021.
We
have
done
another
one
for
the
Senate
candidates
in
2022..
We
also
have
been
in.
We
have
had
the
opportunity
to
participate
to
a
wide
range
topics,
such
as
environmental
justice.
We
were
a
part
because
I
I,
if
some
of
you
see
me
and
recognize
me
as
an
employee
of
the
Champlain
Valley
Economic
economic
opportunities,
because
I
am
and
sometimes
I,
wear
two
hats,
and
this
is
what
in
depth
and
stands
for
environmental
justice
policy
that
was
voted
last
this
year.
S
S
S
S
This
is
nutshell
like
really
condensed
when
I
was
supposed
to
do
because
10
minutes,
it's
a
long
time.
I
don't
want
to
mess
up
your
agenda,
so
I
can
do
that
all
by
myself.
I
don't
know.
If
anybody
has
a
question
we
we
are
present.
We
are
in
in
Burlington
and
I
want
to
to
actually
note
that
the
the
way
the
the
website
is
noted
on
the
agenda
is
has
a
mistake
on
it.
It's
the
scene
of
the
V
at
the
end
of
it
is.
S
Is
definitely
capacity,
we
are
very
a
very
small
group
and
we
we
definitely
have
the
opportunity
to
have
civil
Community
leaders
for
several
communities.
As
part
of
this
group
majorly,
we
have
worked
with
the
Somali
Bounty
Community,
the
congodist
community
The
Nepalese
Community,
the
Sudanese
Community,
but,
as
you
know,
when
it
comes
to
anything
that
has
to
do
with
the
topic
as
large
as
Civic
engagement
of
as
large.
As
you
know,
how
do
you
come
to
a
sense
of
belonging
to
where
you
know
where
you
live?
You
you
really.
S
It
takes
time
and
time
that
we
definitely
don't
have
a
lot
to
give
in
that
sense,
that
the
the
capacity
for
every
non-profit
is
an
issue,
and
it's
for
us
an
issue
as
well.
So
funding
is
one
to
actually
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
might
be
able
to
get
enough
people
to
work
on
that
very
important,
very,
very
important
topic.
A
Yes,
yes,
centering
in
one
of
our
earlier
conversations,
you
made
kind
of
kind
of
a
off
off
the
side.
Comment
about
you,
you
felt
like
many
of
your
members
would
be
working
so
that
got
me
thinking
about
sort
of
the
community
engagement
process.
And
so
do
you?
Do
you
see
kind
of
a
a
big
distinction
in
sort
of
the
employment
patterns
of
your
directors
versus
most
of
your
members
that
so
how
do?
A
N
A
S
Sure
I
can
well
in
ever
since
of
diversity.
That's
something
that
should
be
thought
about.
You
need
to
be
culturally
responsive
in
order
for
it
to
be
welcoming,
people
will
not
come
if
they
don't
feel
welcome.
People
will
not
come
in,
they
felt
that
they
actually
will
be
heard
right,
especially
in
that
in
that
in
those
kind
of
this
kind
of
settings.
So
yes,
please
do
and
being
creative
is
great.
You
you
are,
you
are
calling
it.
You
are
calling
it.
S
What
the
the
mpa
leading
show-
oh
Roadshow,
so
meaning
that
you
you'd
be
taken.
Okay,
taking
another
world
very
good,
because,
yes,
on
Prime
and
no
schedules
are
definitely
a
huge
issue.
As
you
know,
depending
on
where,
where
you
work,
what
is
your
occupation?
You
might
work
at
night.
You
are
what
you
might
wear
you
might
work
in
the
morning.
You
might
work
in
the
afternoon.
You
got
a
children,
you
cannot
leave
them.
That's
child
care.
There
is
transportation.
There
is
scheduling,
there
is
employment.
S
There
is
all
this
set
of
things
that
needs
to
be
taken
into
consideration.
It
doesn't
say
that
it
cannot
be
done.
It's
just
work
in
on
it
to
make
it
happen,
because
actually
I
think
that
this
is
something
that
we
all
are
as
Community
member
willing
to
do.
We
are
not
all
here.
This
is
what
I'm
saying
we
are
not
old
here,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
other
people
that
would
love
to
come
if
they
were
invited.
C
G
Just
going
to
follow
up
on
that,
and
it
would
be
helpful
to
us
if
you
could
talk
to
your
members
or
if
you
could
help
us
figure
out
how
to
make
it
more
welcoming
and
what
accommodations
might
be
useful.
You
know
a
different
space
a
different
time.
A
different
setting
I
mean
it's
Sunday
at
five,
better
than
Wednesday
at
seven
is
meeting
at
Northgate
more
inviting
than
the
Miller
Center
I
mean
any
thoughts
you
have
on
that
I.
Think
I!
Don't
want
to
speak
to
this
Cherokee.
S
S
How
do
you
actually
inspired
this
very
important
topics
that
most
of
even
us
understand
right,
they're,
complicated
enough
for
us-
and
you
know
English
is
our
second
language.
If
you
can
tell
Goodbye
by
yourself
and
I,
don't
understand,
you
know
some
of
these
systems
and
some
of
these
you
know
linguals,
and
you
know
I
I
need
some
inspiration,
but
I
have
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
ask
them.
You.
S
S
You
know
the
the
information
sharing
needs
to
be
in
a
way
accessible
to
calm,
and
you
know
the
CD
has
done
a
you
know
a
great
true
pandemic,
so
it
does
work
right.
It
does
work
but
moving
forward
with,
because
you
can
say
yes,
City
business
is
huge,
but
you
know
what
happened
it's
just
us.
So
how
do
we
communicate?
O
I'm
going
to
be
bringing
this
up,
we
actually
a
couple
months
ago
we
had
an
all
Awards
meeting
and
one
of
the
topics
we
talked
about
was
language
access,
and
luckily
there
is
someone
on
cedo
who
has
experience
working
with
language
access
and
is
very
passionate
about
it.
So
this
is
something
we're
working
on
behind
the
scenes.
You
know
whether
that's
using
translated
recordings
of
meetings
translated
agendas,
a
city-wide,
translated
mailer
of
what
the
mpa
is
yeah
I'm
excited
because
it
sounds
like
we
have
a.
L
S
D
S
D
But
by
continuously
reducing
reducing,
reducing
it
might
make
it
more
comfortable
and
one
of
the
things
I've
been
doing
recently
is
sort
of
stepping
outside
my
comfort
zone.
To
do
something
I
wouldn't
normally
do
don't
want
to
do
I'm,
not
comfortable
to
do,
and
most
people
don't
like
to
do
that.
I
hate
it,
but
when
I
do
it
I
find
I
love
it
so
I'm
just
thinking
how
can
we
as
a
tiny
little
Community,
do
something
to
reach
out
and
bring
it
a
little
bit
closer?
S
That
that's
it
not
be
comfortable.
There
is
a
lot.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
that
would
not,
and
that's
okay,
but
at
least
the
the
least
that
we
could
do
is
a
child
connect
is
to
communicate
it's
a
choice
and
it's
okay,
you
need
to
be
able,
to,
you,
know,
respect
everybody's
Choice,
but
but
but
but
but
that
initiative
that-
and
that
was
that's
what
it
was
said.
You
know
we
are
small
community,
but
it
starts.
It
starts
with
one
and
two
great.
S
E
Over
here,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
As
a
leader
have
you
thought,
or
maybe
you
have
of
knowing
where
your
stakeholders,
your
members,
your
colleagues
in
which
Wards
do
they
live?
Are
they
predominantly
in
ward,
one,
two,
three
four
five,
or
are
your
families
scattered
throughout
the
Burlington
Community,
there's
a
reason
why
I
ask
it,
but
before
I
I-
and
we
can
have
another
conversation
about
it,
but
do
you
know
have
you
plotted
where
you're
a
member
which
Wards
they
represent.
S
The
data
and
I
do
believe
the
city
must
have
the
data
on
who
is
a
new
Americans
or
foreign
born,
but
the
thing
is
that
they
are
everywhere
and
a
number
doesn't
matter
number
is
not
well
politically.
They
do
so.
Yes,
of
course,
yes
thank
you
budget,
they
matter
and
then,
as
you
know,
officials
and
political.
S
S
S
What
is
that
I
I
do
not
understand
right.
So,
yes,
it's
good
to
to
say
we
will,
but
I
do
believe
that
if
you
want
somebody's
vote,
you
need
to
show
up
and
you
need
to
communicate
not
to
only
the
people
that
you
know
but
to
everyone,
even
the
one
that
you
do
not
actually
no
and
Phoenix
is
right
here
to
be
able
to
accommodate
that.
We
want
that
communication
to
start
up.
We
want
that
understanding.
S
We
want
that
relationship
to
be
built,
because,
if
not
no
voice
and,
like
you
said
no
power
right,
because
we
want
to
have
our
officials
being
accountable
for
what
they
say,
they
would
do
and
they
don't
do
for
every
every
single
one
of
us.
So
yes,
I,
I,
I,
I
I,
do
did
answer.
Didn't
answer
your
question.
Thank
you.
B
Q
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
think
there
are
several
questions
and
I
think
the
FBI
does
not
go
to
any
organization
to
present
there.
Npa
is
actually
in
five
organization
just
like
what
this
Enfield
did
to
invite.
Somebody
I
think
that's
something
and
I
think
there
is
also
a
question
about.
Where
do
your
members
live,
be
notism,
Statewide
organization?
We
have
members
in
winnersky,
Shelburne
Ward
8
what
4?
What
7?
Yes,
yes,.
Q
And
I
think
you
know
what
to
do.
I
think
in
terms
of
you
know,
bringing
more
diversity
and
I
think
the
one
things
to
start
is
for
people
to
consider
stuff,
scrutinizing
people
of
color
all
over
the
place.
I
am
a
candidate
I've
been
a
candidate,
but
there
has
not
been
anybody
from
this
steering
committee
that
it
will
run
against
me.
Q
What
I'm
saying
is
true
right.
These
are
the
people
we
have
also
another
candidate
who
was
a
school
commissioner.
Has
people
even
bother
to
really
start
to
understand
why
he
stepped
out
after
one
one
one
brother
he's
he
did
step
up.
I
think
sometimes
faces
that
we
create
and
we're
talking
about
diversity.
We
have
to
be
genuinely
there
in
order
to
invite
people
and
also
to
to
to
bring
them
part
of
the
process.
Q
I
just
wanted
to
add
that,
but
we
also
have
done
so
much
work
with
the
state
of
Vermont,
such
as
the
office
of
Professional
Regulation.
We
consulted
with
given
this
ballot
item
about.
You
know
non-citizen
voting.
We
are
representing,
you
know,
circles
about
movement
of
Health,
you
know
the
National
Guard
so
on
and
so
forth.
We
do
so
much
work
because
people
value
our
services,
they
come
to
us
and
then
we
provide
some
type
of
Consulting
without
any
money
right
we
want.
We
are
part
of
this
community.
Q
H
Thank
you
something.
Would
you
like
to
learn
about
your
organization
and
I
know
you,
you
mentioned
you're
a
small
group
I'm,
supposing
a
small
group
of
leaders
but
you're,
probably
open
to
other
new
American
cultures.
So
I'm
just
wondering:
do
you
recruit
like
there's
a
lot
of
bhutanese
Nepali?
Yes
in
our
community,
so
I'm
wondering
if
you
actively
recruit
others
and
then
my
other
question
is
like
on
vote.
When
we
have
voting,
we've
talked
about
voting
and
Civic
engagement.
H
H
S
So,
okay,
so,
yes
recruiting
is
something
that
we
are
planning
on
actively
doing
and
when
it
comes
to
the
process
in
which
we
get
in
contact
with
the
community
members,
it
varies.
The
bhutanese
community
The
Nepalese
Community.
Yes,
we
are,
we
we
are
in
contact
with,
like
I,
said
the
the
the
communities
that
we
have
been
working
with
bhutanese
Nepalese
Somalian
Somali,
born
to
Sudanese.
All
this
community
I
have
different
cultures
that
that's
the
thing
you
go
to
Francis
great
right.
You
look
at
somebody's
door.
What
do
you
say?
S
They
don't
speak
English,
you
turn
around.
You
go
right,
that's
why
it
is
community-based
information
that
is
being
made
right.
There
is
a
cultural
understanding
of
what
voting
means.
Oh,
how
do
you
vote
or
who
you
vote
for
or
what
it
actually,
whatever
is
on
the
ballot?
What
it
means
to
you?
What
are
the
consequences
of
saying
yes
and
the
question
yourself?
No,
we
are
not
in
the
business
of
telling
them
how
to
vote.
We
don't
want
to
tell
them
how
to
vote.
We
do
not
do
that.
S
That's
why
it
is
very
important
for
them
to
understand
the
choice
they
make
and
that
knocking
on
the
door
and
saying
yes
during
the
campaign.
I
would
love
to
have
all
those
what
candidates
go
in
and
knock
on
people's
door
and
and
do
just
that,
but
when
it
comes
to
our
our
work
and
our
message,
it
is
done
in
a
way
that
is
culturally
responsive,
see
the
end
of
ways
to
do
that
and
for
to
be
able
actually
to
make
your
message
pass
through
somebody's
understanding
of
what
it
is.
S
S
So
that's
why
funding
is
very
important.
That's
what
capacity
is
very
important.
That's
what
time
is
very
important.
This
is
not
something
that
would
be
done
just
tomorrow
next
day,
that
is
not
one.
Click
Solution
on
this
Community
Building,
as
you
know,
is
very
a
very
complicated
process,
a
very
hard
process.
S
O
A
Process
of
Civic
engagement
and
from
from
your
perspective,
where
are
the
points
of
intersection?
Where
do
those
points
of
intersections
need
to
be
with,
like
with
your
steering
your
your
Leadership
Council
or
at
your
membership
meetings,
or
you
know
so
so,
if
we're
trying
to
if
people
are
trying
to
sort
of
expand
awareness
and
engagement
I'm
trying
to
get
at
what?
What
do
you
think
are
those
specific
times
and
places
where
those
intersections
need
to
happen
does?
Does
that
question
make
sense
to
you
not.
E
F
F
No
matter
what
option
do
we
have
suggestion
to
create
your
forum
in
a
forum
with
an
interpreter
with
people
presenting
the
facts?
Here's
where
it
gets
touchy?
We
need
people
to
give
the
facts
and
the
truth
of
an
agenda
or
an
opponent,
not
their
individual
agenda
or
priority
move
right.
This
is
a
problem.
That's
not
just
cultural.
F
This
is
a
problem
everywhere,
but
in
Ward
four
and
seven
we
could
put
a
handle
on
that
and
then
migrated
to
others
and
then
it'll
take
off
Statewide
who's.
Adding
doesn't
go
fast
enough,
but
multiplication
does
teach
five
send
them
out.
Take
it
five
more
send
them
out
all
of
a
sudden.
You
get
the
popcorn
effect
everybody's
communicating.
We
have
interpreters
people
that'll,
step
up
and
go
okay.
I
can
speak
your
language.
S
Yes,
but
recruiting
within
is
what
what
I
think
will
make
it
more
impactful,
because,
yes,
you,
you
are
right
when
it
comes
to
the
interpretation
of
the
language
or
the
understanding
of
and
the
agenda,
you
know
the
depending
on
who
does
it
that's
true
and
who
is
invited
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
but
I
I
do
believe
that
you
know
we
all
talk
about
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
right,
we
have
a.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
an
office
right,
the
City
of
Burlington.
N
S
S
But
if
you
don't
belong,
if
you
don't
feel
that
sense
of
belonging,
what
I
do
you
need
to
reflect
the
community?
How
do
you
attract
that?
Because
it's
not
only
you
going,
they
need
to
come.
So
how
do
you
attract
them
right?
You
need
to
look
like
attracting
you
with
that
diversity
is
exactly
it
right.
So,
first
and
first
stop.
Yes,
you
can
come
Jack.
You
come
to
on
one
of
our
meetings
and
you
start
talking
about
the
you
know
the
whole
aspect
of
NPA.
S
S
There
is
a
two
sets:
it's
in
and
out
working
Within
working
out.
That's
that's
what
that's!
That's
why
the
work?
It's
just
not
one
set
of
things,
there's
several
things
that
could
be
done
separate
thing.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
right
now,
every
single
I
don't
know.
No,
but
that's
what
planning
is
that's
what
strategy
it
starts
with
a
movement
of
a
will
of
sea
change
right.
So
yes,
let's
discuss
that
further
willing
to
do
it.
Okay,.
O
A
couple
things
you
said
that
have
really
stuck
with
me
and
you
just
touched
on
them-
is
people
need
to
feel
welcome
to
come,
and
people
need
to,
like
trust,
you
to
also
want
to
participate
and
I.
That's
so
relatable,
because
I
think
so
many
of
us
belong
to
groups.
That
may
not
be
welcome
everywhere
and,
as
you
were
talking
about
that
I
I
can
picture
there.
I've
definitely
been
spaces
that
I've
wanted
to
participate
in
and
without
even
really
being.
O
There
can
kind
of
see
some
obstacles
and,
like
don't,
really
feel
welcome
there
already
is
there.
Is
there
and
I
know?
This
is
obviously
like
you
said:
there's
a
lot
of
components:
I'm
trying
to
think.
Is
there
something
about
this
setup?
How
we
put
out
notices
that
is
unwelcoming
is
there?
Is
there
like?
Is
there
something
that
you
can
point
to
about
the
mpa
that
may
be
upfront
on
welcoming
to
new
Americans.
Q
Q
Q
If
you
are
a
male
black
gray
hair
whatever
you
are,
you
have
this
sense
of
power.
You
don't
even
think
about
the
other,
the
experience
you
can
live
their
experiences,
whether
they
care
lesbian,
transgender,
whatever
they
are,
I.
Think
starting
with
that
and
just
understanding
there
is
the
other
person.
This
is
not
me.
This
is
not
my
deep
experience
is
that
how
do
I
embrace
that
person
and
provide
the
platform
where
they
can
come
and
feel
that
this
is
my
space?
I
can
evolve
in
this
space.
Q
I
think
the
npas
need
to
start
with
that,
the
way
that
they
need
to
do
it.
It's
very
simple
among
your
neighbors,
your
neighborhood
identify.
If
there
is
someone
who
is
not
like
you
and
input
generally
invite
them
to
come
to
come
here
right
and
then,
if
they
come,
they
come
back
again
invite
them
to
be
a
member
of
the
steering
committee.
So
that's
what
we
do
not
do
in
this
city
in
these
FPS
in
many
different
type
of
things
we
do
not.
Q
Someone
has
to
step
up
and
that's
what
Bina
is
actually
doing
to
to
change
the
narrative.
You
just
say
hey:
there
are
other
people
that
are
not
like
you
and
me
that
are
here
have
to
be
genuine,
that
genuine
genuity
is
key
to
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here.
Build
relationships
in
your
work
in
your
neighborhood,
your
comfort
zone.
Try
to
build
a
relationship
with
the
people,
that's
it
and
from
there
the
relationship
people
will
start
to
trust
you
you
invite
them
in
places.
They
will
show
up.
Q
If
that
comes
back,
let's
be
genuine
and
just
say
today
is
Nepali
dish
that
we're
doing
here
in
this
community,
the
Nepali
people
who
show
up
because
it's
about
them
it's
about
the
cultures
about
their
food.
They
would
be
here
and
at
least
you
will
return
one
or
two
that
will
continue
to
come
in
case
Congo
leaves
and
taste
American
can
taste
all
the
things
to
your
question,
I
think
it's!
It's
really
genuine
and
thank
you
for
asking.
S
So,
to
add
to
this
wonderful,
thank
you
Ali.
You
said
a
lot
of
the
things
that
I
I
wanted
to
say:
Yes,
you
know
every
single
meeting,
a
forum,
a
platform
that
has
been
this
business.
It
is
a
very
serious
business
and
tend
to
be
cool
right.
How
do
you
work
this
out
after
covert
this?
Is
you
know,
in-person
meeting
they're
transitioning
into
it
very
good?
How
do
you
transition
into
it
the
same
way
you
did
before
covered?
Is
it
the
same?
S
It's
different
yeah
yeah,
so
you
know
they
had
a
deal
if
you
had
a
dinner,
oh,
my
goodness,
building
Community.
This
is
what
this
is.
What
NBA
is
supposed
to
to
start
with
building
community
and
there
is
things
that
you
don't
have
to
invent
to
build
community.
You
already
know
you
have
done
that
start
with
just
going
back
to
what
you
know
best.
What
have
what
has
been
successful
and
then
add
a
notch
to
it.
S
D
S
O
Really,
bringing
down
to
community
buildings
like
yeah
down
to
like
a
person-to-person
level
and
I
think
npas
are
a
really
great
way
to
to
demonstrate
the
power
of
community
building
I
mean
just
this
conversation,
I've
learned
so
much
I'm,
making
my
notes
and
underlining
and
circling
and
I
this.
This
has
been
really
great.
S
A
K
So,
along
with
this
and
to
help
in
that
process,
Burlington
electric
is
fortunate
to
have
an
office
or
Energy
Efficiency
team
that
provides
technical
support.
We
have
rebates
and
incentives
to
help
people
with
building
electrification,
heat
pumps,
for
example,
electric
vehicles
we
partner
with
car,
share
to
help
them
with
their
Fleet
electrification.
So
lots
going
on,
but
the
city
council
came
to
us
and
said
no
we've
got
to
do
think
about
policy
as
well
and
so
per
the
city
council's
request.
K
N
I
Prayer
general
manager
with
Burlington
electric
Ward,
7
resident
I'm
glad
to
be
here.
This
is
our
second
to
last
MPA
meeting
in
our
Roadshow
that
we're
doing
and
we've
got
word
six
tomorrow
night
and
then
we'll
be
at
the
city
council
on
next
Monday
on
the
5th
to
talk
about
the
the
outcome
of
some
of
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
and
for
folks
who
are
a
member
of
the
town
meeting
day
vote
2021.
I
We
had
a
vote
on
this
question
of
whether
the
city
should
have
a
charter
change
related
to
regulating
emissions
in
buildings
it
passed
with
about
65
percent
of
the
vote.
Then
the
legislature
considered
it
earlier
this
year
and
passed
it
the
governor
signed
it
and
in
May.
The
resolution
Jen
mentioned
was
passed
by
the
council
asking
us
and
the
Department
of
Permitting
and
inspections
to
look
at
new
construction.
Look
at
large
existing
buildings,
look
at
City
buildings,
major
Innovations
and
come
up
with
some
ideas.
We
had
an
interim
report
in
July.
I
That's
available
that
I
think
it's
up
on
our
website.
We
can
share
a
link
if
that's
helpful,
to
share
with
the
mpa
and
we've
done
work,
including
a
couple
of
different
stakeholder
meetings
with
folks
who
develop
projects
in
the
community
design,
Community,
the
Energy
Efficiency
community
and
large
building
owners
like
UVM
UVM,
Medical
Center,
the
Champlain
College,
the
school
district,
the
city
itself
and
we've
also
worked
with
a
group
called
the
building
electrification
Institute,
which
is
a
national
group
that
works
with
cities.
I
Examining
these
policies
and
all
of
what
we're
doing
is
in
service
of
trying
to
find
ways
to
cost
effectively
and
practically
reduce
emissions
and
buildings,
and
so,
where
we've
kind
of
I
think
started
to
land
in
terms
of
our
recommendations
are
a
couple
of
different
things.
The
first
would
be
for
new
construction.
We
currently
have
passed
in
2021
a
requirement
that
new
buildings
have
to
use
a
renewable
heating
system
and
actually
South
Burlington,
just
passed.
I
A
very,
very
similar
requirement
based
on
Burlington's
requirement,
just
happened,
so
the
work
here
in
Burlington
actually
explored
some
additional
interest
in
South
Burlington,
which
is
great.
What
we're
going
to
look
at
recommending
for
new
construction
is
potentially
going
Beyond.
Just
the
heating
system
and
saying
that
for
other
thermal
uses
in
the
building
things
like
water,
heating
or
cooking
appliances,
that
those
should
be
renewable
too
if
this
was
to
be
enacted
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways.
I
We
Define
renewable
in
the
ordinances
of
Burlington
can
be
electricity
because
we
are
100
renewable
with
electricity.
So
we
have
heat
pumps
and
other
technologies
that
work
can
be
with
a
renewable
fuel
in
a
conventional
heating
system
or
Appliance
things
like
renewable
gas,
biodiesel
other
types
of
renewable
fuels
they
all
count
in
Burlington's
ordinance,
wood
heating
counts,
for
example.
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
that
something
can
be
renewable,
but
we're
looking
at
proposing
having
all
of
new
construction
or
the
majority
of
it
be
renewable.
I
If
this
was
to
happen
starting
in
2024,
and
also
to
offer
that-
and
this
is
part
of
the
charter
change
that
was
enacted.
If
a
building
can't
meet
a
portion
of
that
requirement,
you
could
have
a
carbon
impact
fee.
Just
like
you
would
have
a
development
fee
impact
fee
that
can
happen
and
that
would
look
at
the
carbon
emissions
from
the
system.
That's
in
question
and
over
its
lifetime
and
use
a
rate
of
discount
and
have
it
be
a
one-time
fee
right
at
the
part
of
the
permit
part
of
the
permit
process
and.
I
I
Buildings
which
we're
really
thinking
about
50,
000
square
feet
and
larger
I
think
there's
maybe
80
buildings
in
the
city
that
would
fit
that
characterization.
They
would
maybe
have
a
similar
requirement
for
heating
systems
and
water
heating
systems.
If
you
go
to
pull
a
permit
after
2024,
you
should
use
a
renewable
technology
or
renewable
fuel
or
you
could
pay
the
alternative
compliance
fee
and.
I
I
What
would
the
fee
Revenue
proceeds
go
to
and
a
couple
of
the
ideas
that
we
would
propose
is
one
to
help
the
city
in
its
own
efforts
to
move
towards
a
electric
Fleet
of
vehicles,
so
some
Capital
support
for
that.
In
addition,
there
was
an
advisory
ballot
question
question:
seven
in
2021
that
also
passed.
That
said
that
the
benefits
of
this
transition
should
also
go
to
lower
income
residents
in
Burlington.
I
In
some
cases
they
might
be
diversity,
the
city
itself,
Etc
and
so
having
the
opportunity,
if
you
had
to
pay
into
the
to
be
able
to
get
a
portion
back.
If
you
wanted
to
do
something
else
on
your
campus,
that
would
reduce
emissions
could
be
an
idea
as
well.
So
those
are
the
ideas
that
we've
had,
that
we've
been
vetting
with
stakeholders
and
sharing
with
Folks
at
mpas
and
taking
feedback
on
and
we'd
love
to
hear.
I
If
you
have
questions
or
thoughts
for
us
on
that,
or
just
we
like
visiting
the
mpas
in
general,
and
so
sometimes
folks
have
questions
about
either
our
climate
work
in
the
city
or
Burlington
electrics
work
in
the
city.
We're
happy
to
answer
those
too
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
having
us
here
with
you
tonight.
B
E
I
Thank
you
for
that
question
because
that's
a
that's
something.
That's
come
up
a
lot.
Nothing
we
are
proposing
would
affect
existing
residential
or
small
business
buildings,
we're
really
only
for
the
existing
buildings,
looking
at
above
50
000
square
feet,
and
we
would
not
propose
residential,
even
large
multi-unit
buildings,
we're
not
proposing
policy
related
to
that.
N
P
L
E
I
I
have
that
exact
setup
at
my
house
too,
so
I
think
what
you're
referring
to
what
we
call
Net
metering
with
solar
and
there's
a
program.
It's
a
state
program
that
we
we
have
in
Burlington
as
well,
and
it
basically
says
that
if
you
put
solar
on
your
roof,
you're
going
to
get
credit
for
the
kilowatt
hours
that
you're,
using
at
your
house
that
you're
not
pulling
in
from
the
grid
and
you're,
also
able,
when
you
have
extra,
to
send
it
to
the
grid
and
be
paid
for
that
as
well.
I
So
if
you're
a
net
meter
and
customer
on
your
bill,
there
will
be
kind
of
a
different
presentation
than
what
you
have
now
and
it'll
show
your
solar
credit
and
how
many
kilowatt
hours
you
used.
How
many
hours
you
sent
back
to
the
grid
and
if
you
are
an
electric
vehicle
customer,
we
also
have
a
special
rate
for
residential
customers.
If
you
want
to
charge
off
peak-
and
in
that
case,
you
can
also
get
a
bill
credit
for
being
able
to
charge
off
Pete,
because
that
helps
us
save
for
all
customers.
So.
N
L
I
G
A
I
I
There
is
a
discussion
on
the
pricing,
so
the
price
was
a
lot
higher,
are
several
years
back
to
try
to
support
solar
to
try
to
support
the
industry.
Getting
going
the
price
for
panels
have
come
down,
so
the
price
that
the
puc,
the
Public
Utility
Commission
allows,
has
also
come
down.
So
there
is
a
lot
of
discussion
around
that
and,
and
obviously
some
solar
developers
would
like
to
see
the
price
higher
utilities
that
may
be
paying
for
the
net
metering
might
like
to
see
the
price
lower
in
some
cases.
I
So
there's
some
discussion
around
that,
but
as
of
right
now,
there's
no
cap
for
customers.
There
are
caps
for
individual
projects.
So,
if
you
are,
you
know
a
large
customer
and
you
wanted
to
do
solar
you're
capped,
usually
at
500
kilowatts
for
that
project,
which
I
think
everybody
here
would
be
able
to
get
everything
they
want
on
their
home
or
small
business.
But
you
know
500
would
be
more
like
almost
like
an
acre
of
or
more
of
solar.
What
are
their
caps
at
all.
E
I
Question
yeah,
so
well:
net
metering
is
really
intended,
I
think.
If
you
look
at
it
like
over
the
course
of
the
country,
it's
really
intended
to
be
exactly
what
you
were
just
describing
like
I
put
solar
panels
on
my
house,
I'm,
generating
some
of
my
own
electricity
I'm,
sending
some
back
to
the
grid.
What
we've
done
in
Vermont,
you
know
to
support
the
development
of
solar
was
we
said
you
can
have
virtual
net
metering.
I
C
I
C
Way
forward
for
the
program
I
mean.
How
would
you
even
know
because
I
I
mean
I
know
how
an
electric
meter
works?
I,
I,
I'm,
an
electrical
engineer
myself
right
and
if
I
were
to
put
solar
panels
on
my
house
and
then
sometime
of
the
month,
I'm
putting
energy
back
in
that
meter
is
going
to
run
backwards,
that's
correct
and
it's
going
to
run
backwards
at
the
same
rate
per
per
watt
as
it
would
be
running
forward.
That's
right
if
I
was
taking
that
many
walks
from
what
the
state
program
says.
Is
that.
C
C
C
I
C
I
C
I
No,
it's
a
good
question.
I
think
what
South
Burlington
just
did
actually
went
a
little
further
than
what
we
have
currently
so
we
I
think
2021.
We
had
a
renewable
heating
ordinance
and
what
they've
passed
now
is
a
renewable
Heating
and
a
renewable
water
heating
program
for
new
construction,
and
so
what
we
would
be
doing
here
would
be
we'd,
be
catching
back
up,
I
think
to
South
Burlington
and
maybe
going
a
little
further
in
certain
respects,
with
new
construction.
I
I
think
with
the
existing
buildings
with
the
large
existing
buildings,
we'd
be
doing
something
a
little
bit
novel
but
we'd
be
essentially
asking
them
in
their
Capital
planning
to
assume
that
if
you're
going
to
pull
a
permit,
you
should
have
a
renewable
system.
We've
engaged
pretty
constructively
and
and
heavily
with
a
lot
of
the
stakeholders.
Who
would
be
in
that
category.
B
I
Something
that,
in
a
lot
of
cases,
they
have
their
own
initiatives
to
try
to
move
in
this
direction,
something
that
would
be
supporting
their
progress
in
that
way.
So
I
won't,
say
it'll
necessarily
be
universally
endorsed
by
every
stakeholder,
but
we've
tried
to
really
get
to
a
practical
point
for
existing
buildings
and
with
new
construction,
at
least
it
seems
like
South,
Burlington
and
Burlington
are
moving
in
the
same
direction
and
it's
possible.
Other
communities
might
be
inspired.
Q
N
O
Q
I
Yes,
thank
you
for
the
question.
In
terms
of
rebates,
we've
had
really
strong
uptake
on
heat
pumps.
We
continue
to
have
a
lot
of
customers
who
are
interested
in
heat
pumps.
We've
had
very
strong
interest
in
our
Electric
Lawnmower
program
that
continues
to
be
a
very,
very
popular
I.
Think
it's
our
second
largest
program
now
and
then
electric
vehicles
is
the
third
largest
and
I
think
what
we
saw
with
the
electric
vehicles
is
that
the
supply
chain
disruptions
really
had
an
impact.
You
know
we
had
not
a
lot
of
used.
I
L
E
There
is
a
Nexus
if
one
of
your
families
or
one
of
our
community
members
doesn't
know
about
a
rebate
program
for
an
electrical
lawnmower.
Then
that's
exactly
the
kind
of
example
of
information
sharing
that
is
useful
to
you
and
it's
useful
to
well.
It's
useful
to
all
of
us.
I
didn't
know
about
electric
lawn
mowers.
Frankly,
so
there
we
are
yes,
I
could
talk
about
electric
lawn
mowers
all
day,
but
I.
B
K
Yeah
yeah
we're
really
committed
to
ensuring
that
all
our
customers,
regardless
of
where
they're
from
what
they
speak
at
home,
where
they
go
to
school,
whether
they
rent
or
homeowners,
have
access
to
this
transition
away
from
fossil
fuels.
So
we
really
think
a
lot
about
that,
and
so
in
a
case
where
someone
might
not
be
in
a
position
to
buy
an
electric
vehicle.
K
This
is
where
we
look
to
our
friends
at
car
share
and
say:
how
can
we
help
you
car
share
and
making
sure
that
your
vehicles
are
placed
in
areas
that
are
most
accessible
to
folks
and
that
the
rates
are
accessible?
So
Annie
does
have
a
it's
free
to
join,
based
on
your
income
level,
we're
also
helping
Annie
with
her
electrification,
the
electrification
of
her
Fleet.
K
So
we
feel
like
this
is
a
way
for
people
to
taste
electric
and
be
involved
in
sort
of
the
electric
transportation
Revolution
without
having
to
own
a
vehicle,
but
you're
right
I
mean
similarly.
This
is
why
sometimes
policy
is
really
important.
So
if
you're
a
renter
and
you
can't
control
sort
of
any
of
the
inputs
in
your
property
because
you
don't
own
that
property,
this
is
where
we
think
our
weatherization
policy
is
especially
meaningful.
I
K
I
Our
customers,
we
just
did
a
survey.
We
do
one
every
every
three
years
and
we
we
learn
a
lot
through
that
process.
We
find
out
that
people
who
participate
in
the
efficiency
programs
that
we
have
generally
are
very
happy,
but
we
also
tend
to
find
out
that
not
enough
people
know
about
them.
Sometimes
half
of
the
community
is
not
aware
that
we
offer
these
programs
and
we
also
have
a
pretty
high
population
of
renters
and
students
relative
to
other
Utilities
in
the
state
of
Vermont.
I
So
even
if
we
do
a
great
job
of
telling
everybody
about
our
programs
three
years
later,
it
may
not
be
the
same
folks
who
are
living
in
the
same
property,
and
so
we
have
to
keep
communicating
in
all
different
kinds
of
ways
and
get
the
message
out
and
yeah
I'm
surprised.
I
walked
around
my
neighborhood
here
in
the
new
North
End
and
I
have
a
neighbor
who
got
an
electric
leaf,
blower
and
didn't
know.
We
had
a
repay
and
I.
N
I
I
Good
good
points
and
questions.
Thank
you,
representative
Hooper.
So
we
do
have
a
snow,
blower
rebate,
I
have
an
electric
snow,
blower
I'm
talking
about
those
a
lot
too.
We
just
got
it
and
then
I'll
just
say
the
great
thing
about
the
electric
lawn
equipment.
Snow
blowers
is,
if
you
get
the
same
brand,
they
all
have
a
battery,
that's
removable
and
you
can
use
the
different
batteries
in
the
different
pieces
of
equipment.
I
So
you
always
have
an
extra
battery,
so
I
definitely
encourage
folks
if
you're
getting
an
electric
snow,
blower
lawnmower
trimmer
leaf
blower
try
to
get
the
same
brand,
whichever
one
you
get
and
then
the
batteries
are
all
interchangeable
in
terms
of
the
net
metering
discussion.
It's
true
that
we
did
I
think
as
a
state
put
more
emphasis
on
incentives
for
those
rates
to
help
people
be
able
to
invest
in
solar.
I
Have
a
reasonable
payback,
I
think
with
the
recent
action
at
the
federal
level
to
put
the
tax
credit
back
up
to
30
percent
and
the
cost
of
panels
coming
down.
There
continues
to
be
opportunity
to
sort
of
lower
the
cost
structure
and
still
ensure
that
people
are
able
to
put
solar
on
their
roof
and
that's
a
that's,
a
fine
balance
that
we
always
have
to
get
right
and
we
we
support
solar.
We
have
over
nine
megawatts
of
solar
in
the
City
of
Burlington
and
we
are
about
a
65
megawatt
peaking
system.
I
So
in
the
summertime,
when
the
hottest
day
is
happening
in
the
afternoon,
we
might
be
getting
you
know,
13
or
so
of
our
electricity
is
coming
from
solar.
That's
right
here
in
the
City
of
Burlington
on
that
given
day
so
it's
important
resource,
it's
a
good
resource
to
your
last
question.
The
great
deal
that
we
have
especially
was
really.
L
I
When
prices
were
five
dollars,
a
gallon
still
good
at
three
dollars,
a
gallon
is,
if
you
do
have
an
electric
vehicle
and
you
are
on
our
off-peak
rate.
You
can
charge
up
overnight
for
the
equivalent
of
about
70
cents,
a
gallon
of
gas
and
you're,
getting
100
renewable
electricity,
and
when
you
spend
a
dollar
with
us,
more
than
two-thirds
of
that
dollar
typically
stays
in
the
state
of
Vermont.
I
If
you
spend
a
dollar
at
the
gas
station
about
three
quarters
of
dollars,
leaving
the
state
of
Vermont,
because
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
supply
chain
when
it
comes
to
the
oil
industry,
but
the
electric
utilities
are
tend
to
have
more
local
spending.
So
it's
a
great
Buy
Local
opportunity,
as
well
as
a
renewable
and
a
cost-saving
opportunity.
A
A
You
know,
electrifications
was
pretty
open
ended
in
my
understanding,
in
terms
of
you
know
how
it
applies
so
so
for
the
you
know,
the
ordinary
I
think
Burj
had
asked
this
question
so
for
the
old,
ordinary
homeowner
kind
of
thing,
so
where's
the.
Where
do
the
policy
guidelines
going
to
be
in
place
to
sort
of
keep
that
limit
from
right
ever
lowering
and
encroaching
on
ordinary
homeowners?
Is
that
a
policy
discussion
that
you've
talked
about.
I
Yeah
and
in
this
context,
what
we
really
advocated
for
was
a
focus
on
new
construction
and
on
these
larger
commercial
buildings
that
really,
when
you
think
about
it,
they're
they're,
doing
Capital
planning
for
10
15
20
years,
and
if
we
put
a
policy
in
place
and
say
Burlington
wants
you
to
plan
for
renewable.
They
can
accommodate
that
within
their
long-term
plan.
It's
very
different.
I
If
you're,
you
know
a
homeowner
or
if
you're
a
small
business,
and
you
don't
have
that
kind
of
capital
planning
and
you're,
not
you're,
trying
to
keep
things
going
until
they
break
and
then
you're
going
to
be
in
a
lot
of
cases
in
an
emergency
replacement
situation.
We
think
that
at
the
moment,
our
incentive
programs
are
the
right
way
to
try
to
reach
those
customers.
I
We
want
to
convince
you
to
put
in
a
heat
pump
and
help
you
with
the
cost
of
that
or
to
put
in
a
heat
pump
water
heater
or
to
do
Energy,
Efficiency
measures
in
your
home
or
switch
to
an
electric
vehicle,
hopefully
because
it's
saving
on
on
your
costs
or
helping
you
with
your
costs,
but
also,
as
a
lot
of
folks,
are
motivated
by
climate.
A
lot
of
people
are
motivated
by
so
we
really
want
to
be
persuading
customers
that
this
is
a
good
opportunity.
We're.
N
I
Looking
at
residential
and
you're
right
that
the
charter
change
does
permit
the
city
to
look
at
that,
we
think
it'd
be
great
to
get
a
lot
of
experience
with
the
sectors
that
we're
looking
at
now
before.
We
would
look
at
any
sort
of
further
policy
so
that
that's
kind
of
the
way
we
we've
talked
about
it.
Okay,
yeah,
it
doesn't
mean
something
couldn't
happen
in
the
future,
but
you
would
also
have
a
vote
on
that
as
well.
Right.
I
If
you
would
right,
no
I
think
it's
important.
Just
a
quick
point
is
that
there's
some
really
great
programs
available
right
now
from
the
state
and
from
the
federal
government
from
the
spending
that
came
through
covid
there's
20
million
dollars
through
the
state
legislature.
That
is
helping
people
who
are
Income
qualified
to
upgrade
their
electric
panel,
because
sometimes
you
can't
put
in
a
heat
pump
or
an
electric
vehicle
or
a
heat
pump
water
heater.
I
If
you
don't
have
the
right
electric
panel
upgrades,
so
it's
going
to
be
programs
to
help
with
that
for
people
who
need
help
who
are
Income
qualified
programs
to
help
switch
to
a
heat
pump,
water
heater,
so
I
think
it's
important.
Not
only
we
get
the
message
out
about
the
lawnmower
programs,
the
other
programs.
We
need
to
get
the
message
out
about
our
state
assistance
and
federal
assistance
to.