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From YouTube: Burlington Wards 4 and 7 NPA Meeting
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00:00:00 Introductions & Ground Rules
00:05:43 Community Announcements & Comments
00:15:03 Potholes, Patches & Plans Discussion with Chapin Spencer
00:45:50 Community Discussion: Needles in the Parks
01:01:46 Legislative Updates
01:30:38 Narcan Training & Information
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And
I
believe
that
we
have
a
microphone
or
a
speaker
working
in
the
room
now
so
we'll
keep
on
moving.
We
have
always
ground
rules
and
I
was
not
prepared
to
speak
tonight
or
lead
tonight.
So
I
don't
have
my
fancy
one
so
I'm
just
gonna
wing
it
in
our
little
sheet
in
front
of
us.
It's
just
a
reminder
for
ground
rules
to
listen
to
others.
A
Z
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D
Just
we've
all
got
notices
on
Thursday
June,
1st
4
30
to
6
30
is
the
meeting
for
the
comprehensive
planning
around
Letty,
Park
and
I,
encourage
you
all
to
go
they're
really
looking
at
a
lot
of
interesting
things
and
different
things.
They've
had
several
planning
sessions,
but
it's
getting
more
serious,
I
think
at
four.
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E
G
I
know
I,
know
yeah.
So
to
get
to
the
point,
you
may
have
seen
there's
some
flyers
out
there
by
the
sign-in
sheet,
but
anyway
we
would
love
if,
as
many
people
as
possible
could
come
because
we're
very
enthusiastic
about
the
potential
of
citizens
assemblies
to
address
a
lot
of
problems
with
democracy
and
particularly
representation
of
people,
because
they
work
with
random
lotteries.
So
that's
kind
of
the
big
difference
between
them
and
an
NPA.
So
autition
is
the
fancy
word
and
some
people
like
it.
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AB
B
AB
K
D
In
the
vein
of
heinenberg
I
just
want
to
announce
that
it's
I
put
it
out
on
on
our
Facebook
and
my
Facebook
for
the
next,
our
fourth
or
four
Thursdays
in
June.
The
heinenberg
center
is
having
a
series
on
how
to
manage
aging
things
like
moving
how
you
manage
all
of
that.
What
are
your
options?
What
are
the
legal
options?
So
look
on
Facebook
or
look
on
front
porch
Forum,
it's
Thursdays,
6
30
to
8
at
the
center.
R
T
S
Chris
Anthony
with
the
Church
Street
Marketplace
commission,
I'm
wearing
a
couple
hats
tonight.
Marketplace
did
commission
is
not
recommending
any
increases
in
the
common
area
of
fees
or
the
downtown
improvement
district
this
year.
So
that
will
be
coming
as
a
formal
recommendation
to
the
council
if
it
has
not
already
arrived.
I
am
one
of
the
three
resident
Commissioners
on
the
marketplace.
S
We
delivered
our
final
report
to
the
city
council
on
May,
the
1st,
shortly
before
we
finalized
that
the
state
decided
to
wade
into
that.
So
there
may
be
some
action
there,
but
I'm
hopeful
that
moving
forward,
we
will
have
a
better
process,
does
not
result
in
people
getting
really
whacked
here
on
their
taxes.
So
I'd
encourage
you
to
check
out
the
report
if
you've
not
had
an
opportunity
to
do
so.
Thank
you.
A
G
So
we
we're
not
going
to
have
security
there,
but
there's
often
a
police
presence
right
at
the
base
of
Church
Street.
These
days,
they'll
Park
police
cruisers
by
there
I
can
inquire
about
maybe
seeing
if
they
can
be
there
at
that
time.
But
in
general
I
mean
I'm
I'm
on
Church
Street,
all
the
time
and
I
think
you'll
be
okay.
Getting
in
I
mean
you
might
have
to
find
somewhere
to
park,
but
yeah,
sorry
and
yeah
I'll,
we'll
think
about
that.
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J
Idea,
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
where
I
can
sit
to
that's,
probably
fine
great
thanks
for
having
us
tonight.
I'm
Chapin
Spencer,
director
of
Public
Works,
I'm,
joined
by
city,
engineer,
Norman
and
Public
Works
engineer,
Phillip
Peterson.
It
is
great
to
see
so
many
npas
have
food.
Many
MPA
meetings
as
I
attend
dinners
may
be
a
thing
at
the
past
at
my
house.
So
thank
you.
J
T
J
Agree
really
water
resources,
water,
main
and
Sewer
main
replacement
effort,
and,
as
you
can
see
in
the
chart
here,
sorry,
we
can
go
back
that
Paving
numbers
have
increased
in
terms
of
mileage.
Most
years
since
2017
we've
been
able
to
double
the
amount
of
mileage,
sidewalk
construction
nearly
triple
the
mileage,
and
previously
we
had
not
had
dedicated
funding
for
replacing
or
rehabbing
water
and
sewer
Mains
thanks.
J
So
our
work
is
largely
informed
by
you.
All
our
plans
that
we
put
together,
Council
and
community
and
put
the
funding,
were
able
to
secure
intergovernmental
coordination
if
there
is
an
electrical
upgrade
underground
or
if
there
is
water
or
sewer,
upgrade
and
also
private
development.
If
there's
a
major
development,
we
want
to
coordinate
our
investment
as
well.
J
I
think
we
all
understand
that
there
are
challenging
headwinds
with
funding
our
infrastructure.
Us
for
all
of
us
have
gone
up.
The
city
is
no
different.
In
the
top
right
you'll
see,
the
price
of
asphalt
has
gone
up
far
faster
than
inflation.
I
am
pleased.
This
year
we
were
able
to
get
competitive
bids
for
Paving.
We
had
three
bidders
this
year
last
couple
years.
J
We've
only
had
one,
so
it
is
an
effort
on
our
part
to
get
a
vid
put
out
on
the
street
that
will
get
as
much
attention
as
possible
and
I'm
pleased
to
hear
it.
We
got
a
number
of
competitive
bids.
Funding
is
obviously
an
issue.
Voters
were
generous
again
in
2022
to
support
a
smaller
Bond
23.8
million
dollar
Bond.
It
only
budgeted
two
years
of
Paving
support,
which
was
last
year
in
this
year.
J
So
next
year
is
going
to
be
another
time
here,
especially
with
the
high
school,
which
limits
our
overall
ability
to
bond
for
other
items
and
then
Federal
and
structure
dollars.
Everybody
hears
that
there's
been
a
infusion
of
federal
funds.
Unfortunately,
routine
maintenance
of
Paving
is
not
ineligible
activity
for
those
funds,
so
we
are
on
our
own
to
make
that
happen,
and,
lastly,
climate
change,
the
freeze
thaw
Cycles,
which
we've
all
seen
water
getting
into
the
pavement
and
then
freezing
pops
pavement.
It's
not
our
friend
thanks.
E
So
thank
you,
Chapin
and
thanks
for
letting
us
present
here
tonight,
so
here's
just
kind
of
a
brief
overview
of
Paving
specific
to
The
New
Normal
pen.
So
since
2017
you
pay
approximately
seven
miles
of
streets
in
the
new
North
End
and
in
that
same
time
there's
been
approximately
20.7
miles
of
Paving
city-wide.
E
T
E
Specific
breakdown
in
terms
of
new
North,
End,
Paving
history,
as
you
can
see
by
year,
there's
been
some
major
efforts
towards
new
North,
End,
Paving
and
then
other
years
less.
So
we
do
have
a
data
driven
process
that
informs
our
work
last
year
was
a
pretty
heavy
new
North
End
year,
our
Paving.
For
this
year
we
have
two
streets
left
over
from
last
year's
contracts.
E
Birchcliff
Parkway,
which
is
the
South
End
Street
Flynn
Ave,
which
is
also
a
South
End
Street
other
streets
that
are
part
of
our
2023
contract
would
be
Clark,
Street,
Pearl,
Street,
Riverside,
Avenue,
Saint,
Paul,
Walnut
and
then
other
contracts.
The
srf
work,
which
is
State
revolving
funds,
work,
the
water
main
work,
that's
happening
on
Lakewood
and
Tallwood,
and
then
work
that's
happening
on
Champlain
Parkway.
E
So
these
streets,
the
streets
that
we've
chosen,
are
they're
patches
but
I
would
kind
of
categorize
them
as
smaller
Paving
projects
battery
streets,
the
northbound
lane
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
all
driven
on
Battery
Street
and
can
see
the
delamination
and
rutting
that's
happening
in
northbound
lane.
The
Beltline
ramp
near
Manhattan
Drive
also
some
running
and
delaminating
Colchester
Avenue
near
the
medical
center
Pine
Street
near
Maple
and
Pine
Street
between
Queen
City,
Park,
Road
and
home
Ave.
E
We
do
have
some
next
steps
that
we're
undertaking
Norm
Baldwin
myself
and
one
of
our
senior
Engineers
Corey
Mims,
have
been
meeting
over
the
past
couple
of
days
to
developed
a
plan
to
collect
some
data.
We
have
several
Engineers
that
are
working
together
to
collect
data
on
streets
without
within
the
city
that
require
patching
and
to
prioritize
kind
of
a
patching
plan.
We're
hoping
to
have
that
patching
inventory,
completed
by
August
2023.
F
See
a
series
when
you
see
a
series
of
potholes
together
in
a
cluster
and
it's
it's
it's
a
challenge
for
you
to
Traverse
that
section
of
road.
So
there
are
roads
there
are
reasonable
shape,
except
for
that
one
spot
that
everyone
knows
and
sees
and
is
troubled
by,
and
our
biggest
concern
is-
is
that
okay,
how's,
this
going
to
fare
through
another
winter
freeze,
saw
cycle
that
we're
we're
experiencing
through
this
process
and
unfortunately
there
is
so
much
so
much
funds
that
we
have
available
and
we're
just
trying
to
make
it
stretch.
J
And
that
is
a
perfect
segue
Norm
into
this
slide
here,
where
we
are
trying
to
find
additional
funding
in
partnership
with
counselors
we're
only
able
to
pave
about
1.3
miles
ourselves
with
Street
Capital
funds
this
year.
The
state's
helping
this
the
Water
work
is
helping
add
to
that
for
a
total
of
Six
Miles
City
Wide,
which
is
a
significant
number
this
year,
but
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
previous
years
of
Paving
contingency
as
those
projects
wrap
up
and
fy24
Street
Capital
Tax
Rate.
J
The
voters
have
authorized
a
greater
tax
rate
than
what
the
budgets
in
past
years
have
have
needed,
and
so
there
is
opportunity
to
modestly
increase
the
street
Capital
Tax
Rate,
which
will
be
a
conversation
that
we
will
need
to
have
with
the
city
council
in
the
next
few
weeks.
Should
additional
funding
be
able
to
be
secured
for
fy24
in
evaluating
the
scores
of
North
Ave
North
End
streets?
There
will
absolutely
be
an
additional
new
North
End
scope
of
work
as
part
of
that
enhanced
work
thanks.
T
E
Tentatively
on
our
list
for
a
Paving
contract
for
2024
is
North
Avenue
we've
applied
for
what's
known
as
a
town,
Highway
branch
or
be
trans
Class
2
Grant
application
was
submitted
back
in
March
to
secure
funds
to
do
Paving
on
North
Ave
and
Stanford
Road
from
North
Avenue
to
Oakland
Terrace.
Both
of
those
streets
are
definitely
on
our
plan
for
Cy
24
Paving
contracts.
J
A
J
Has
caused
damage
or
may
cause
damage
our
after
hours
and
weekends
phone
number
is
accessible,
24
7
and
we
have
Crews
on
call
that
can
respond,
nights
and
weekends.
To
that
word,
we
also
store
asphalt
over
the
winter
so
that
we
have
hot
mix
to
work
with,
in
addition
to
the
cold
patch,
cold
patch
is
a
winter
time
material.
When
the
asphalt
plants
aren't
open,
but
as
people
have
seen,
it
doesn't
stick
the
same
way
and
is
not
as
durable
as
as
hot
mix.
So
yes
slide
is
how
to
reach
us.
J
The
customer
service
line
here
863-9094
is
a
number
that
you
should
have
available
to
you.
We
have
a
email
and
the
construction
portal,
if
folks
have
gone
online,
is
a
great
tool
for
seeing
what
works
we
have
in
capital
across
the
city
has
for
this
coming
year
and
I
would
just
say
the
last
piece
is
Vermont
alert.
The
number
is.
J
J
Yeah
and
then
Vermont
alert,
who
here
signed
up
for
Vermont
alert
excellent
good
your
neighbors
are.
This
is
a
really
important
tool
in
terms
of
if
there
are
roadway
closures.
If
there
are
water
disruptions,
any
urgent
items
that
need
to
be
communicated,
we
have
over
I
believe
9
000
people
in
the
city
who
are
signed
up
to
say,
white
gold,
great
communication
tool,
we'll
keep
it
short
at
that,
because
I
think
the
community
conversation
is
going
to
be
the
most
important
part
thanks.
So
much
for
having
us.
P
J
Exploring
all
options
for
trying
to
add
Resource,
as
you
heard
from
Philip,
we're
writing
state
grants
through
the
town
Highway
program.
Etc.
One
potential
consideration
is
that,
as
part
of
the
overall
tax
rate
is
made
up
of
a
general
fund
tax
and
then
individual
dedicated
taxes,
one
of
those
taxes-
you
know,
there's
penny
for
parks
and
others,
but
one
is
the
street
Capital
Tax.
J
Our
understanding
is
that
the
rate
that
has
been
authorized
by
voters
has
not
been
the
full
rate
that
the
council
has
approved
budgets
for
in
the
past
and
that
there
is
a
modest
amount
of
an
additional
tax
rate
that
could
be
authorized.
Should
the
council
in
reviewing
the
budget,
find
that
additional,
Paving
and
patching
is
a
wise
investment
given
where
we're
at
so
that's
part
of
the
FY
24
budget
process
to
discuss
and
to
decide
together.
U
F
L
F
That's
a
big
one
and
the
climate
range
drainage.
So
there's
a
number
of
factors,
but
you
can't
say
definitively
each
street
is
going
to
be
X
years
and
a
lot.
What
you
find
in
the
city
is,
unfortunately
in
the
air:
when
streets
were
redeveloped,
they
didn't
have
great
sub
bass,
so
that
would
require
us
if
we
wanted
a
good
structural
sub
base
to
take
the
whole
street
down
at
least
18
inches
is
very
expensive
cost
prohibitive.
F
So
what
we're
doing
here
is
we
have
a
shortest
life
cycle
of
these
streets
in
order
to
kind
of
at
least
have
a
rideable
surface
and
have
it
spread
among
the
system
worth
noting.
The
system
is
96
miles
of
roadway
to
be
maintained,
so
it's
not
inconsequential
in
terms
of
the
cost.
It
is
to
maintain
that
system
and
if
you
compare
against
20
miles,
that's
been
complete
versus
96.
F
You
can
see
in
that
period
how
we're
making
progress,
but
it's
but
progress
is,
is
in
many
people's
minds
not
to
where
we
want
to
be
given
that
someone
could
some
of
these
streets.
So
we
we
see
that
understand
that
and
we
would
love
to
see
more
resource,
but
we're
we're
in
competing
in
those
interests
of
other
needs.
The
city
has.
I
Hi
thanks
thanks
for
coming.
If
this
is
a
little
too
off
topic,
feel
free
to.
Let
me
know
and
I'll
try
and
talk
about
it
later
with
you
all
if
we
were
trying
to
identify
as
a
community
some
points
in
the
new
North
End
to
make
more
progress
on
the
walk
bike
plan
from
2017
I
know:
we've
got
the
Letty
Park
project
right
now.
I
What
sort
of
solicitation
process
would
we
go
through
to
try
and
like
initiate
a
project?
You
know
I
know
you
have
Plattsburgh
and
North
Ave
on
the
2024
plan.
If
you're
doing
a
repaving
of
that,
you
know,
would
an
intersection
redesign
be
on
the
table,
even
if
you
know
we
could
put
together
some
kind
of
low-cost
pilot
program.
Obviously
you
know
I
want
to
be
cognizant
of
the
financial
restraints
that
the
city's
under.
F
So
we
have
a
senior
Transportation
Planner
on
on
staff,
Dayton
Crites
I,
don't
know
if
you've
met
Dayton
or
talked
with
him,
but
we
have
a
long
list
of
Transportation
products
we
want
to
complete
and
our
goal
with
that
is
to
leverage
other
people's
money
to
complete
those
projects.
If
you
have
something,
that's
not
on
that
list
that
he's
maintaining.
F
J
Just
we
got
a
grant
for
Charity's
path
connecting
here
over
to
to
Ethan
Allen
Parkway.
There
are
a
number
of
other
projects
underway.
The
Burlington
walk
by
Council
would
be
a
good
Advocate,
a
good
outlet
for
kind
of
your
interest
and
engagement
and
happy
to
continue
to
have
the
conversation
we're
proud
of
the
progress
we've
made,
but
there's
still
a
long
way
to
go.
L
L
Now
the
algorithm
arrangement
for
or
the
oretical
Arrangement
lists
for
Burlington
streets
to
be
repaved
every
20
years
and
the
sidewalks
50
years
I
live
in
an
area
where
the
original
sidewalks
are
still
there
and
they
are
breaking
apart
and
a
couple
of
them
have
sorry
have
been
fixed,
but
I
guess
my
concern
is,
and
maybe
you
can
address
it,
maybe
you
can't
what
about
the
streets
that
don't
last
20
years
do
does
that,
but
then
they
become
really
bad.
Where
does
that
fit
in?
As
far
as
repairs
go.
F
Well,
the
streets
that
you're,
probably
referring
to
are
really
probably
heavily
traveled
commercial
truck
traffic
streets
that
don't
last
a
20-year
cycle
residential
streets
typically
would
given.
They
don't
have
the
the
commercial
traffic.
If
you,
if
you
follow
some
of
the
technical
pieces
to
maintaining
a
street
truck
traffic,
commercial
traffic
has
10
times
the
damage
of
a
passenger
vehicle.
So
that's
a
substantial
impact.
F
If
you
look
at
Major
arterials,
those
are
typically
the
streets
that
you'll
see
that
commercial
traffic
on
and
suffer
quickly
or
go
out
of
service,
quick,
more
quick
than
say
a
residential
street.
But
that's
not
to
say
residential
streets
are
unimportant.
It's
just.
How
far
do
we
make
the
money
go
and
what
is
the
greatest
impact
in
terms
of
making
a
system
serviceable
right?
F
Well,
we're
not
fond
of
the
patching
solution,
but
it's
it's
patching
is
a
means
to
provide
a
serviceable
street
in
the
balance
of
use
of
that
street.
So
if
you
had
a
reasonable
conditioned
Road
and
you
had,
one
segment
was
like:
oh
my
God
I
got
to
drive
through
that
every
day
we
would
try
to
focus
on
putting
a
small
localized
patch
to
it.
F
Now
we
understand
that
if
we
came
next
year
and
did
repaving,
we've
lost
the
value
of
that
work
in
order
to
repave
the
whole
street,
so
we're
trying
to
be
strategic
about
where
and
when
we
do
these
patches
relative
to
the
longer
range
plan
of
significant
work
or
repaving.
So
it's
a
very
hard
balance.
F
F
N
O
Potholes
yeah
we'll
speak
together
because
I
don't
want
to
take
up
the
time,
there's
32
potholes
between
70
Cumberland
and
90
Cumberland,
and
we
keep
patching
them
and
again
I
appreciate
all
you
doing.
This
is
not
a
criticism.
I
understand
the
issues,
but
you
just
mentioned
people
zigzag
for
six
months
through
these
potholes,
and
you
mentioned
a
section
of
the
street.
Maybe
we
can
just
fix
the
section
instead
of
keep
patching,
we've
been
patching
for
five
years
and
I
just
hope
that
we
could.
N
Including
folks
on
bicycles
and
I
do
want
to
say
that
we
did
have
it
patched
I
think
about
a
week
ago,
and
we
we
had
called
the
city
a
while
back
and
about
a
week
ago,
and
it's
all
coming
up
again.
So
just
so
you
know,
I
I,
don't
know
what
the
cost
analysis
is
between
having
folks
come
out
every
single
year,
Paving
those
little
spots
and
then
coming
back
in
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
what
the
cost
is.
We
also
watch
the
people
fill
the
holes.
It
was
done
rather
haphazardly.
N
F
X
F
N
F
So
you
know
for
those
streets,
my
my
belief
is
that
we
need
to
do
what
they
call
potholding.
In
other
words,
we
would
find
a
localized
location
cut
out
a
square
excavate
identify
how
much
asphalt
you
have
how
much
substructural
sub
dates
you
add
and
make
and
prepare
ourselves
for
what
cost
it
would
take
to
properly
restore
it
to
something
that
is
reasonable.
In
other
words,
if
you
had
say
you
have
poor
sub
Basin,
there's
not
a
lot.
F
We
can
do
because
that's
just
way
Beyond
reasonable
cost,
but
if
it
was
say
an
inch
and
a
half
thick
of
asphalt,
that's
not
enough.
We
typically
have
at
least
three
inches
for
residential
streets,
so
these
are
the
kind
of
things
we're
looking
at
and
yeah
it's
a
technical
detail,
but
you,
you
need
to
have
context,
I,
think,
to
understand.
N
M
Yeah
two
questions
actually
one
where
gray
Meadow
intersects
with
the
street.
That
is
not
luado,
but
it
comes
straight
down.
That's
been
patched
a
lot
of
times
that
I
have
seen,
and
it
also
just
comes
right
out
and
the
people
who
live
there
right
on
the
corner
because
it
used
to
be
a
dead
end,
take
a
fairly
good
exception
to
it
but
Spencer.
My
question
goes
back
to
when
we
redid
North
Ave
in
the
project.
M
It
gave
us
the
bike
lanes
and
went
down
to
two
who
is
responsible
in
the
city
for
quality
control,
because
it
as
soon
as
that
job
was
done,
and
it
looked
really
nice.
The
first
rainfall,
the
the
driest
place
on
the
road
was
where
the
drains
were.
Everything
else
was
an
intertube
deep
in
standing
water,
which
hastened
at
minimum
the
collapse
of
the
surface.
F
Yeah
so
North
Avenue
itself,
we
had
a
deep
dive
focus
on
drainage,
on
North
Avenue
from
I,
guess,
Ethan,
Allen
to
Shore
Road
and
there's
some
complexity
to
that
drainage
system
itself,
where
it
wasn't
draining
within
the
subterraining
elements
of
the
of
the
system
of
conveyance
and
the
street
is
extremely
flat
and
had
no
crown
and
I
don't
know
if
you're
referring
to
before
that
work.
But
I
drove
that
coming
here
and
yeah.
F
J
V
V
Yeah
this
is
this
is
not
easy
from
the
perspective
of
an
elected
official
information.
They
provided
here.
I
think
you
should
add
your
city
councilor
your
city
council
as
a
point
person
to
connect
with
them
and
I
just
want
to
be
really
appreciative
to
Japan
Baldwin.
That's
not
here.
You
know
who
I
mean
your
communication
person
because
they
have
been
very
responsive
and
known
now
in
Word,
seven
is
complaining
about
roads
is
complaining
about
sidewalks
right,
I.
V
V
V
Cclcp
in
order
to
look
at
North
Avenue,
comprehensive
plan,
re-envision
North
Avenue.
If
you
drive
your
cars,
just
look
up
the
the
electric
pools.
It
makes
it
this
neighborhood
so
ugly
and
we
need
to
put
them
down
on
the
ground.
We
need
to
put
some
more
odds.
We
need
to
put
better
trees,
we
need
to
put
better
lighting,
but
that's
not
the
work
of
Japan,
but
that's
the
work
of
the
voters.
If
you
need
our
neighborhood
to
be
beautiful
and
soon
you
will
be
contacted
to
to
engage
into
this
conversation.
V
V
V
A
B
B
B
B
So
what
else
I'm
doing
is
I'm
engaging
with
all
of
the
different
departments
that
even
remotely
come
into
contact
with
this
issue,
because
I
think
looking
at
all
sides
of
it
are
incredibly
important.
So
after
my
public
input,
phase
I
will
be
meeting
with
departments
and
then
I
will,
and
also,
while
keeping
my
Parks,
Commission
updated
and
start
looking
into
and
researching
research
proven
Solutions
so
see
what
other
cities
are
doing
that
are
comparable
to
Burlington.
B
We'll
also
look
at
things
that
maybe
haven't
been
implemented
yet,
but
really
taking
kind
of
a
research
based
approach
to
this
I'll
also
be
engaging
towards
the
middle
and
end
parts
of
this
process,
with
people
currently
suffering
from
substance
use,
disorder
and
people
in
recovery,
specifically,
people
who
use
needles
in
the
course
of
their
addiction,
because
I
think
any
solution,
however
feasible,
is
just
really
going
to
be
limited
in
the
success
by
the
compliance
of
people
who
do
use,
needles
and
I.
Think
a
really
important
context
is.
B
Nobody
has
really
figured
this
problem
out
and
a
huge
part
of
that
is.
Is
our
country
is
being
decimated
by
the
opioid
epidemic
and
we'll
be
talking
more
about
that
during
our
Narcan
training?
But
this
I
mean,
if
you
know
some
of
you,
some
of
you
are
more
experienced
in
this
and
have
more
exposure
than
others.
B
But
yes,
the
opioid
problem
is
huge.
It's
huge
in
Vermont,
it's
very
big
in
Burlington
and
I.
Think
it's
important
to
have
Grace
with
everybody
with
the
city
with
each
other
as
we're
trying
to
figure
this
out.
There's
no
real
good,
one-size-fits-all
solution
for
the
needle
issue.
If
there
was,
we
wouldn't
have
a
needle
issue.
So
you
know
this
is
gonna,
take
some
time
and
and
patience
to
figure
out,
but
it's
an
important
thing
to
get
started
on.
B
So
after
I
kind
of
reached
the
point
where
it
looks
like
we
may
have
some
possible
solutions,
then
I
will
be
engaging
again
with
department
heads
in
the
city,
council
and
the
mayor
to
look
at
what
would
even
be
feasible
to
be
adopted
in
the
city.
Again,
everything
money
is
always
going
to
be
a
limiting
factor.
So
you
know,
I
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
at
the
end
presenting
a
possible
solution
that
is
just
not
going
to
work
for
the
city
and
then
and
then
so.
B
So
in
the
meantime,
what
can
you
do
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
about
sea
Quick
Fix?
The
gentleman
that
just
spoke
spoke
a
little
bit
about
it.
It's
an
excellent
app.
There
are
so
many
problems
you
can
address
on
it
so
see
quick,
fix.com
or
you
can
find
it
in
your
app
store
on
your
phone
and
it's
an
app
I
know.
Olivia's
very
experienced
Olivia
keeps
our
neighborhood
pretty
pretty
free
of
the
the
transphobic
stickers
via
the
c-click
fix
app.
B
It
alerts
City
staff
to
a
problem
whether
it
be
a
pothole
needles.
It
could
be
garbage
left
on
the
side
of
the
street.
You
can
post
a
picture
and
then
that
communicates
to
City
staff,
who
will
then
use
the
the
app
to
delineate
that
to
the
appropriate
City
staff,
and
you
can
also
monitor
it.
It'll,
let
you
know
when
it's
updated,
when
it's
noticed
by
a
city
staff
and
when
it's
resolved
it's
a
great
app.
B
It's
also
helpful,
particularly
with
the
needles
and
people
start
using
the
c-click
fix
app
more
often,
because
that's
going
to
help
me
in
my
data
process
and
tracking
where
the
needles
are
concentrated
and
then
also
please
contact
me.
My
email
is
L.
Morrigan
I'll
spell
that
so
it's
l
m,
o
r
r,
I
g
a
n
at
Burlington
vt.gov.
That's
my
commission,
email
and
yeah
and
I'll.
D
Two
comments:
just
I
can't
really
reiterate
enough
about
using
C
click
fix.
It
seems
like
a
pain.
It
is
a
little
clunky,
but
it
is
how
we
keep
the
data
on
all
of
these
things,
so
you
can
still
send
an
email
and
that's
fine,
but
it
compiles
data.
I
know
the
parks
department
is
putting
in
more
portalets
all
around
the
city
in
the
Parks.
Will
there
be
Sharps
Containers
in
those
okay,
well,
I'm.
C
AC
Oh
hi
hi
everybody
yeah.
Can
you
hear
me?
I
did
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
wanted
to
point
to
a
bill
that
was
actually
passed
in
the
house
in
the
Senate.
This
session
called
h.22,
which
is
an
act
to
reduce
overdose
overdoses
and
part
of
that
bill
is
a
syringe
disposal
program.
It's
going
to
vastly
increase
the
syringe
disposals
that
we
have
in
the
state
for
those
of
you
who
travel
up
to
Canada.
AC
You
can't
go
far
without
seeing
that
they
have
a
really
great
syringe
disposal
program
in
almost
all
of
their
buildings
and
we're
hoping
to
have
that
kind
of
an
expansion.
But
it's
a
bill
that
I
would
recommend
you
take
a
look
at.
It's
got
a
lot
on
opioid
antagonists,
for
example,
drug
checking
and
so
forth,
but
the
goal
is
just
to
reduce
and
lower
the
amount
of
deaths
that
we've
seen
with
in
the
in
this
overdose
opioid
crisis.
But
it
is
exciting
to
have
that
kind
of
disposal
program
to
your
point
about
the
syringes.
W
AC
AC
AA
H
B
H
S
D
Just
for
point
of
information,
Burlington
staffs
and
supports
a
group
called
comstat,
which
is
really
a
group
of
the
opioid
treatment
providers.
They
meet
every
month
and
talk
about
a
lot
of
things.
But
it's
it's
a
group.
You
certainly
should
connect
with
and
it's
more
treatment
provider
focused
but
Scott
Scott
pavic
I
have
to
remember
his
name
is
the
coordinator,
so
he
he's
a
person
through
me
or
any
of
us.
We
can
get
some
ideas
too.
So
thanks.
A
A
S
I'm
supposed
to
say
thanks
for
taking
the
lead
on
this
Lee,
as
you
know,
the
issue
is
particularly
cute
in
City
Hall
Park.
It's
my
neighborhood
I'm
over
there
a
couple
times
a
day
or
a
couple
times
a
week,
and
you
know
we
no
longer
walk
the
dog
over
at
City
Hall
Park,
because
we've
had
instances
too
many
close
calls
and
one
of
the
things
I
see.
Particularly
in
summer
months,
I
see
the
various
preschools
I
think
from
the
Y
in
different
places
coming
through
through
the
park.
S
My
big
concern
is
this
not
so
much
a
question
of
if
but
when
somebody
comes
into
town
to
visit
and
they're
decide
to
have
a
picnic,
and
they
have
a
three
or
four-year-old
toddler
running
around
who
just
coincidentally
happens
to
step
on
on
a
Sharps
and
I.
Think
there's
a
significant
liability
for
the
city,
so
I'm
very
glad
to
see
that
the
parks
and
recognition-
and
you
are
taking
this
on.
A
L
M
M
Carol
will
have
like
detail
but
I
the
thing
that
I
would
like
to
probably
make
the
the
biggest
update
about
is
that
people
are
working
on
the
motel
program.
It's
Incorporated
in
the
budget.
The
budget
is
in
danger
of
being
vetoed
and
at
this
point
in
time
there
are
a
lot
of
Burlington
Representatives
who
aren't
in
a
mood
to
vote
for
an
override
that
puts
the
school
funding,
Child
Care
System
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff
on
the
line.
M
Z
Okay,
so
we
we
passed
a
budget
this
session
and
some
it
will
really
help
with
some
of
the
issues
that
we're
going
to
be
facing
as
the
motel
program
ends.
So
during
the
pandemic,
the
federal
government
gave
the
state's
money
to
House
people,
because
it
was
very
important
that
people
be
isolated
and
so
forth,
so
that
housing
that
temporary
housing
and
we
put
a
lot
of
people
into
motels-
has
dried
up
and
we've.
Z
We
now
have
to
figure
out
what
to
do
next.
So
in
the
budget
we
have
10
million
dollars
going
to
the
Department
of
Children
families
to
help
people
experiencing
homelessness
and
that
10
million
dollars
will
be
going
out
in
flexible
grants
that
enables
people
working
with
people
who
are
homeless,
just
like
the
Department
of
Children
and
Families
to
to
respond
to
short-term
needs,
and
those
needs
could
be
to
give
people
a
rental
deposit,
so
they
can
get
into
a
new
rental
help
them
with
the
furniture
or
car
repair
or
Transportation
costs.
Z
Relocation
expenses,
anything
to
help
people
get
into
regular
rental
housing.
It
also
gives
15.2
million
dollars
to
emergency
rental
assistance
program
funds
for
three
years
of
housing,
stability,
wraparound
Services
through
Community
Partners.
So
when
I
say,
Community
Partners
would
be
things
like
the
Howard
Center
helping
people
to
figure
out
how
to
stay
in
the
housing
that
we
get
them
getting.
Mental
Health
Services
if
they're
disabled,
getting
help
with
that.
Z
If
they're
older,
getting
Meals
on
Wheels,
whatever
people
need
to
be
able
to
stay
in
housing
independently
and
then
Millions
more
like
1
million
five
million
plus
millions
and
millions
more
for
voucher
programs,
rental
subsidies,
family
supported,
Housing,
Programs,
for
when
the
winter
weather
gets
cold
for
adverse
winter,
and
so
that's
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
are
in
this
budget.
Now.
Z
Those
kinds
of
funds
could
be
going
out
now
to
start
helping
people
now,
because
there
are
a
couple
of
dates
where
people
will
start
to
have
to
leave
the
motel
program,
but
I
mean
it
looks
like
the
governor
would
veto
the
budget.
That
means
that
we
can't
the
money
will
not
start
going
out
until
we
have
a
veto
session.
The
veto
session
is
scheduled
if
we
need
it,
for
that
looks
like
we'll
need
it
for
the
21st,
22nd
or
so
of
June,
and
so
that's
when
we
would
hope
to
override
The
veto.
Z
There's
a
lot,
that's
good
in
that
budget,
and
we
need
to
help
the
places
that
are
going
to
need
the
help.
The
most,
of
course,
are
the
cities
around
the
state
and
some
of
the
places
where,
where
the
motels
are
located,
shelver
and
Colchester,
many
and
Rutland
many
places
around
the
state.
So
we
need
to.
We
need
to
have
a
budget.
We
can't
afford
not
to
have
a
budget.
Do
you
want
to
say
anything
more
about
that?
Bob.
M
M
We
knew
that
the
federal
funding
was
coming
to
an
end
and
basically
saying
okay,
the
program's
over
move
out
to
the
like
I
think,
3,
000
or
so
people
that
are
in
a
motel
program
is,
is
sort
of
untenable
we'd
like
to
do
something
else,
but
the
other
side
of
that
coin
is
for
most
of
the
motels
that
we
are
renting
the
rooms
they're
costing
about
150
bucks
a
night.
So
it's
a
tremendous
amount
of
money
for
the
state
to
take
on
and
as
as
Carol
illuminated
there.
Z
Z
Okay,
so
I
have
a
few
highlights
in
the
different
areas
that
I
can
go
over
in
agriculture,
food,
resiliency
and
Forestry.
That's
one
of
our
committees.
We
have
the
right
to
repair
bill
passed
that
will
allow
consumers
to
repair
their
own
Agricultural
and
Forestry
equipment,
and
that
bill
is
pending
in
the
Senate.
It's
a
very
important
bill.
Z
The
organic
Dairy
crisis
you'll
see
a
lot
of
places,
you'll
see
organic
milk
and
our
organic
or
organic
products,
and
our
organic
products
here
in
Vermont
we're
doing
very
well
until
other
products
flooded
the
market
from
huge,
huge,
organic
Dairy
and
huge
organic
farms
in
other
parts
of
the
country.
So,
in
order
not
to
lose
more
Organic
Farms,
we
have
some
one-time
emergency
relief
for
those
Farmers,
often
they're
Dairy
Farmers,
and
we
that
will
prevent
a
lot
of
schools.
A
lot
of
excuse
me
a
lot
of
farms
from
going
under
Bob.
M
People
have
a
tendency,
because
we
talk
about
farm
equipment.
That's
the
first
bite
at
the
Apple
I
think
for
self-repair
Apple
Computers,
your
your
iPhones
things
like
that
are
kind
of
closely
guarded
technology
that
the
company
doesn't
let
out
so
we're
hoping
that
the
right
to
repair
your
own
stuff
eventually
expands
it's
very
hard
to
take
a
three
hundred
thousand
dollar
tractor
down
to
the
John
Deere
dealer
200
miles
away.
Z
Yes
and
as
Bob
said,
that
may
expand
to
other
things
that
you
would
like
to
repair
in
your
homes
and
businesses,
Universal
School
meals
during
the
pandemic,
the
federal
government
paid
for
Universal
School
meals.
That
meant
that
not
only
do
people
who
didn't
have
the
money
to
buy
their
own
meals
get
free
meals
in
school,
but
all
kids
did
then
Vermont
said:
okay,
we'll
expand
that
for
one
more
year
which
which
legislature
did
and
now
the
legislature
has
acted
to.
Z
What's
the
current
participants
every
year,
the
legislature
will
decide
how
that
is
paid
for,
and
this
year
they
decided
that
it
would
be
paid
for
at
the
education
fund.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
paid
for
at
the
education
fund,
but
that's
what
they
decided
to
do.
We
decided
to
do
last
year,
and
not
only
does
that
increase
student
participation,
of
course,
in
eating
at
schools
it.
It
also
allows
our
our
meal
planning
at
schools
to
mean
that
are
our
school
meal.
Z
Z
Z
Okay,
and
so
so
we
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
what's
in
the
budget
and
what's
important
to
all
of
us
in
the
budget.
One
thing:
that's
in
the
budget
is
up
to
16
million
dollars,
15
point,
maybe
one
or
two
million
dollars.
We
were
able
to
secure
to
help
our
city
take
down
and
remove
safely
our
high
school.
That
has
two
seasons
in
it.
So
that's
a
very
big
deal
and
we
worked
all
of
us
so
hard
on
that.
So
I'm
very
excited
right.
AD
That
was
quite
historic,
I
mean
that
was
a
really
state
representative,
Emma
Mulvaney
standing
sorry.
This
was
at
8
30
and
I
was
buzzing
from
another
medium
Montpelier
delegation.
So
all
10
house
members
and
our
Senate
from
Health
colleagues
and
the
over
on
the
other
chamber
really
worked
hard
to
make
sure
that
the
state
really
understood
the
situation.
Burlington
High
School
was
in
related
to
how
things
have
been
changing
on
pcbs
and
I.
AD
Really
proud
of
that
moment
of
us
all,
standing
together
regardless
of
party,
regardless
of
of
differences
on
other
issues,
because
we
really
advocated
for
Burlington
and
and
conveyed
how
important
this
was
that
Burlington
kids
were
Vermont
kids
and
we
really
needed
to
collectively
do
this
not
only
for
Burlington,
but
if
another
school
were
ever
in
a
such
an
extreme
situation
that
we
would
show
up
for
that.
That
Community
as
well
as.
Z
A
matter
of
fact,
really
most
bills
on
the
house
floor
are
voted
on
unanimously
or
nearly
unanimously,
and
most
bills
come
out
of
committees
unanimously
or
close
to
unanimously.
What
you
you
read
about
in
the
paper
is
where
we
disagree
so
just
kind
of
take
heart
and
know
that
people's
voices
are
heard
and
we're
working
together
on
Solutions
to
vermonter's
biggest
problems.
Z
So
what's
in
this
8.4
billion
dollar
budget,
why
does
it
sound
like
so
much?
Well,
we
have
a
lot
of
one-time
money
and
from
the
federal
government
and
thanks
to
Senator
Patrick
Leahy.
So
we
have
to
spend
some
of
that
money
quickly.
We
we
can't
wait
to
appropriate
it.
It
might
take
us
some
time
to
spend
excuse
me,
but
we
have
to
definitely
make
plans
for
how
we're
going
to
appropriate
it.
So
we
can
get
it
out
the
door
and
get
it
spent
on
things
that
matter
like
housing,
expanding,
affordable
housing.
Z
We
have
109
million
dollars
for
that
102
million
dollars
for
emergency
shelter
and
support
services
for
unhoused
vermonters
for
recovering
housing,
recovery,
housing
and
transitional
housing
for
vermonters,
exiting
prison
and
housing
for
young
people
exiting
foster
care.
We
have
raised
provider
rates
that
almost
100
million
dollars
in
the
budget
for
that
that's
boosting
rates
for
primary
and
Specialty
Care,
Dental
Care,
Home,
Health,
Care,
nursing
homes,
Residential
Care,
Adult,
Day,
Care,
substance
use
and
mental
health
ambulance
services.
And
more
so
you
can
see
big
emphasis
on
older
vermonters.
One
in
three
vermonters
are
older.
Z
We
help
everybody,
and
when
we
do
the
right
thing
in
the
professions
then
and
serving
vermonters,
then
we
can
keep
our
emergency
rooms
free
for
emergencies
and
we
save
money
that
way
too
child
care
very
exciting.
We
passed
a
multi-year
transformation,
we
had
employers
come
to
us.
We
have
employees
come
to
us
and
please
help
us
with
child
care.
So
we
have
to
make
it
affordable
for
family.
We
have
to
make
it
raise
rates
to
provide
Financial
stability
for
child
care
providers
and
boost
pay
for
valued
Early
Childhood
Workforce.
Z
Z
M
That's
also
a
matter
for
Vermont
to
consider
in
terms
of
Economic
Development.
We
probably
all
know
somebody
that
has
told
the
story
of
coming
to
the
state
not
being
able
to
find
housing
not
being
able
to
find
child
care
and
going
back
home.
So
these
things
that
don't
seem
like
they're
that
interrelated
actually
are
and
the
demographics
of
our
state
has
a
tendency
to
not
change
as
quickly
because
we
don't
have
as
many
facilities
available
for
new
people
to
come
in
establish
themselves
and
get
on
with
their
life
here
in
this
beautiful
state.
M
Z
AD
Is
upwards
to
about
105,
000
per
household
and
while
that
seems
high,
many
Vermont
Working
Families
are
spending
something
upwards
to
20
25
of
their
income
if
they
have
more
than
one
kid
in
a
child
care
center
and
as
we
know,
because
the
ratios
that
we
all
value,
that's
not
going
into
the
pockets
of
early
Educators,
and
so
the
other
side
of
this
is
that
we're
putting
significant
Investments
as
Carol
was
saying
into
early
Educators,
which
are
largely
women.
It's
a
camera
economy,
job
which
sector,
which
has
been
undervalued
for
years.
AD
So
I
was
incredibly
proud
that
we
put
that
together.
It
had
a
really
significant
amount
of
support
in
the
House
and
Senate
and
I.
Think
it's
such
an
incredible
investment.
We
also
continue
to
get
more
early
Educators
into
that
field,
something
we
started
last
biennium,
which
is
continue
to
invest
in
the
loan
forgiveness
programs
for
folks
who
want
to
go
into
that
field,
because,
obviously,
student
debt
is
going
to
be
a
huge
barrier
for
anyone
going
into
any
field.
AD
I
I
AD
To
the
housing
piece
of
the
budget,
because
this
is
a
critical
thing
facing
Burlington
and
the
whole
state
and
I
know,
counselor
Carpenter
asked
at
least
us
to
address
this.
While
we
have
a
lot
of
significant
investment
in
affordable
housing
within
the
big
budget,
8.4
billion
dollars
budget,
we
have
it,
we
we
missed
something.
AD
We
missed
something
really
significant
about
the
ending
of
the
motel
Voucher
Program
under
the
general
emergency
housing
program,
and
this
is
actually
why
I
vote
ultimately
voted
no
against
the
budget,
as
did
about
17
or
so
of
us,
progresses
and
democrats
for
that
matter,
and
I'm
not
going
to
make
this
partisan
but
I
want
to
flag
the
reason
we
were
so
concerned
and
how
to
vote
no
is
that
we
are
headed
towards
I
will
use
the
word
crisis.
We
have
about
2
000
households,
which
includes
700
children,
about
to
be
evicted
from
this
Motel
program.
AD
It's
one,
a
relatively
small
piece
within
a
8.5
4
billion
dollar
budget
to
come
up
with
a
much
more
Humane
and
supportive
response
for
these
vermonters,
most
of
which
are
vermonters
they're,
not
from
out
of
state
most
are
from
Vermont
right
here
in
Vermont.
So
I
think
this
was
a
really
missed
piece.
It's
not
just
on
the
governor.
AD
It's
on
us
in
the
legislature
and
I
really
hope
that
we
take
this
seriously
and
bring
Advocates
to
the
table
and
really
we
come
up
with
Solutions
so
that
we're
not
facing
a
significant
issue
back
here
in
Burlington
and
in
Montpelier
in
Rutland
and
Brattleboro,
where
these
2000
households
are
just
pushed
out
into
tents
and
sleeping
bags.
That's
essentially
what
the
temporary
solution
is
and
that's
not
a
solution.
That's
not
a
Humane
solution,
so
I
wanted
to
flag
that
people
want
to
talk
more
about
that
offline
separately.
AC
I
am
senator
for
chinon
Central,
one
of
three
Senators
for
the
Chittenden
Central
District
happy
to
be
here
tonight.
I
did
want
to
follow
up
on
a
few
things.
One
was
the
child
care.
I'm
I
serve
on
both
Health
and
Welfare
and
education,
so
the
child
care
bill
was
a
big
part
of
the
work
that
I
did
this
year
and
I
did
just
want
to.
AC
So
what
we
wanted
in
the
initial
bill
called
s56
was
really
to
place
more
Pre-K
students
in
public
schools,
because
there's
a
a
lot
of
capacity
right
now
with
declining
enrollment
and
this
demographic
Cliff
that
we're
heading
toward.
We
actually
have
a
lot
of
capacity
in
our
public
schools
and
we
were
hoping
that
we'd
be
able
to
place
more
four-year-olds
in
the
in
schools.
AC
However,
folks
weren't
comfortable
with
making
that
shift
quite
so
quickly,
so
it
will
be
a
study
but
we're
hoping
at
the
end
of
the
day
that
we'll
be
able
to
find
a
way
to
place
more
students
in
our
schools,
while
also
making
sure
that
we
help
those
folks
who
do
have
private
businesses
in
any
way
that
we
can
so
I
did
want
to
bring
that
up
just
to
Echo
the
housing
situation.
It
was
it's
great
that
it's
been
brought
up
tonight.
AC
We
had
an
amendment
in
the
Senate
that
was
brought
forth
by
two
of
my
colleagues
Senator
viehovski
and
Senator
Hashim,
and
that
was
an
amendment
to
the
budget
to
find
funds
to
continue
housing
folks
until
a
more
permanent
solution
was
found.
Sadly,
only
about
five
of
us
voted
for
that,
so
it
did
not
move
forward,
but
it
is
it's
going
to
be.
This
is
going
to
be
a
problem.
That's
going
to
really
face
our
cities
and
not
so
much
the
rural
areas
of
the
state.
So
I
agree.
AC
It's
important
to
speak
to
your
your
representatives,
your
Senators,
the
governor.
Unfortunately,
this
has
become
like
a
reactionary
moment
for
us,
even
though
we've
known
that
this
was
going
to
end.
So
it
is
a
shame
that
we
didn't
put
more
programs
in
place
so
that
our
cities,
like
Burlington,
doesn't
have
to
bear
the
brunt
of
what
will
potentially
be
a
crisis.
Z
We're
gonna
have
a
small
group
of
members
from
across
the
state,
join
her
and
there's
a
new
feedback
form
for
the
agency
of
Human
Services.
So
if
you,
if
you
are
a
community
provider
or
a
town,
someone
in
the
town,
city,
council
or
whatever
I,
don't
know
how
you're
going
to
organize
it.
But
if
you
need
something
and
you're
hitting
barriers,
we'll
gather
that
information
quickly
in
an
organized
way
and
make
sure
it's
addressed
and
we'll
be
getting
that
form.
Z
Z
P
Z
We
we
helped
3,
500
or
4
000
I,
can't
remember
anymore,
vermonters
get
what
they
needed
just
by
talking
to
people
and
getting
their
social
security.
Last
four
digits
of
social
security,
their
names,
their
cell
numbers,
are
the
phone
numbers
and
there's
stories,
yeah
and
all
right,
I'll
just
quickly
say,
and
we
were
able
to
really
help
with
that
a
lot,
and
this
is
what
we're
we're
doing
again,
we're
stepping
in
where,
where
it
hasn't
been
done,
yay.
AD
AD
Those
bills
are
now
in
the
hands
of
the
governor
and
he
has
to
act
within
about
the
next
three
or
four
days
based
on
the
when
he
got
those
bills.
So
he
should
have
an
answer
and
in
theory,
unless
he
vetoes
it,
we
should
be
able
to
be
in
place
for
next
march.
Those
election
changes
so
stay
tuned.
Sorry,
perfect
timing,.
R
R
Thank
you
so
much.
We
I
feel
that
we
have
done
you
all
in
this
service
for
all
the
work
that
you've
done
and
we've.
Given
you
such
a
little
time,
just
very,
very
quick
question
in
how
we
can
help
you.
What
was
the
timing
of
the
governor's
veto
for
the
funding
bill?
It
has
until
Saturday
Saturday.
Just
you
need
to
hear
from
us
before.
W
I
need
to
speak
on
behalf
or
folks,
who
are
not
always
a
fan
of
everything
that
the
legislature
works
on
or
accomplishes,
and
so
my
my
cons.
So
with
that
context,
my
concern
is
about
the
timing
of
the
veto
session
and
unfortunately
it
sounds
like
that's
going
to
occur
before
our
next
NPA
meeting
and
my
question
is:
is
it
necessary
that
the
budget,
when
you
go
back
to
the
veto
session,
does
the
budget
package
have
to
pass
as
one
big
package
the
way
it
is
and
have
this
brinkmanship
fight
about
the
housing
program?
W
M
AD
A
A
Q
Q
I'm
Grace,
Keller
I
was
the
program
coordinator
at
Howard.
Center,
safe
recovery
for
I
worked
there
for
15
years.
I
would
love
to
take
one
quick
second
too
and
say
that
what
they're
talking
about
with
housing
is
a
real
thing
and
it's
actually
devastating.
I
hadn't
been
in
Burlington
in
a
long
time.
I've
worked
in
homeless
case
management
for
years,
and
and
we
really
need
to
look
at
this-
it's
com,
it's
compassion,
it's
going
to
affect
everybody,
so
I'll
move
on,
but
thank
them
for
for
their
hard
work
on
this.
Q
It's
it's
not.
It
should
not
be
an
option.
So
Narcan
is
a
nasal
spray.
It
reverses
the
effects
of
opioid
overdose
and
gets
the
person
breathing
again.
It's
an
incredibly
safe
medication.
It
was
FDA
approved
in
1960,
so
it's
been
around
for
a
long
time
and
it
was
used
in
emergency
rooms
and
ambulances
in
2013.
Vermont
made
it
legal
for
me
to
for
the
health
department
to
provide
it
to
people
like
like
me
and
for
me
me
to
be
able
to
provide
it
to
anyone
who
might
be
present
at
an
overdose.
Q
We've
had
people
clients
walking
through
the
UMO
and
found
somebody
overdosed
that
they
didn't
know
in
their
car
and
opened
the
door
and
saved
their
life
with
Narcan.
So,
unfortunately,
with
the
state
of
things
right
now
in
Vermont,
we
are
all
on
at
risk
for
finding
somebody
who
is
overdose,
so
I
can
give
it
to
any
of
you.
She
has
Narcan
there.
I
also
have
given
up
we've
given
out
38
000
doses
out
of
Safe
recovery,
so
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out
to
me
personally.
If
you
need
more,
you
have
somebody
you're
worried
about.
You.
Q
Have
a
group
of
people
you're
worried
about.
We
really
want
to
get
this
to
everybody.
It's
incredibly
safe,
so
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
quickly
about
how
it
is
safe
and
what
it
does.
Also.
I'm
not
used
to
talking
this
fast,
so
sorry
about
that,
but
also
I
will
talk
about
how
to
recognize
signs
and
voters
and
how
to
administer
so
Narcan.
We
all
have
opioid
receptors
in
our
brains.
Q
Q
Q
I
did
the
majority
of
the
testimony
for
the
overdose
prevention
Narcan
bill
in
this,
in
the
how,
in
the
House
and
Senate
in
2012
and
2013,
so
I
called
Poison
Control
and
asked
them
like
what
happens
if
a
kid
gets
a
hold
of
this,
because
that's
what
we
would
all
worry
about
is
medications
and
kids,
and
they
said
you
don't
have
to
do
anything
because
again
this
this
medication
only
has
one
job
it
goes
in
and
it
binds
to
those
receptors.
So
a
if
a
kid
gets
it.
Q
It's
incred
it's
it's
very!
It's
been
used
for
a
long
time
and
again,
Poison
Control.
If
you
call
them
and
say
my
kid
for
Dr,
Peppers
they're,
like
oh,
better
get
them
checked
out
at
the
emergency
department
for
them
to
say
nothing,
you
have
you
don't
have
to
do
anything,
it's
incredibly
safe,
so
I
have
administered
it
also
over
20
times.
So
we
can
talk
about
that
again.
You'll
have
my
email,
but
it
is
in
very
safe.
One
of
the
other
things
I'll
hit.
Q
The
myths
up
front
too,
is
that
there's
a
people
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
people
coming
up
frustrated
mad.
Potentially
even
sometimes
people
talk
about
violence.
That
is
not
what
happens
with
the
nasal
spray.
We
have
had
1800
people
come
back
to
say:
they've
used
it
to
Save
a
Life.
We
do
a
survey
with
all
of
those
people.
We've
never
had
anyone
report
combative,
we've
never
had
anybody
report
that
they
were
physically
assaulted
or
even
attempted
physically
assault.
When
I've
done
it.
Q
The
person
looks
like
what
you'll
see
when
somebody's
fainted
they
wake
up,
they're
confused.
They
don't
know
why
you're
there,
and
sometimes
they
get
afraid,
because
the
this
people
who
use
drugs
often
have
fear
or
trauma
around
law
enforcement
and
we'll
talk
about
Good
Sam
in
this
talk
too,
but
really
what
it
is
is
a
time
for
compassion,
just
like
any
other
medical
intervention.
I've
had
family
members
who
woke
up
from
other
diabetic
shock
and
things
like
that
and
they're.
Q
You
know
struggling
or
angry,
or
so
this
is
just
like
any
other
intervention
and
it's
a
time
for
compassion.
It's
also
a
time
to
really
look
at
stigma.
When
people
talk
about
how
people
react
to
a
medical
situation,
but
I
can
tell
you
I've
never
seen
it
I've
never
seen
anyone
come
close
to
it.
I
have
seen
fear
and
I
think
that's
when
we
can
talk
about
the
Good,
Sam
Law
and
tell
people
that
they're,
safe
and
they're
immunized
and
we'll
get
to
that
point.
Q
Q
The
best
practice
is
to
get
stuff,
that's
not
expired,
but
if
all
you
had
was
something
that
is
expired,
you
can
go
ahead
and
use
it.
It
won't
be:
it's
not
going
to
hurt
somebody
they
it
may
not
even
be
weaker,
is
what
they're
finding,
but
and
in
on
the
direction
on
the
box
and
in
the
device
in
the
packaging
for
the
device
there
are
directions.
I
tell
people
to
become
comfortable
with
them
at
a
time.
Q
That's
not
an
emergency,
because
if
you
look
at
the
directions,
they're
actually
more
complicated
than
the
device,
the
device
is
a
nasal
spray
they're
there.
If
you
need
them
they're
in
the
packaging,
if
you
need
them,
I
just
know
that
I've
now
graduated
to
readers.
The
last
thing
you
need
is
another
barrier
when
it
is
a
nasal
spray
and
it's
pretty
self-explanatory
and
intuitive.
Q
If,
even
if
you
didn't
know
what
you
were,
what
you
were
looking
at,
so
the
Box
comes
with
two
doses:
I
take
the
doses
out
and
put
them
in
my
bag.
That's
fine.
I
just
would
always
keep
at
least
two
doses
together
and
if
you're
high
risk
or
work
in
a
program
at
high
risk
around
a
lot
of
people,
you
may
want
to
consider
keeping
more
doses,
because,
unfortunately,
even
in
Burlington,
we've
had
tragedies
where
two
people
have
overdosed
at
the
same
time
so,
but
to
keep
the
two
doses
together.
It's
just
best
practice.
Q
It's
what
the
manufacturer
wants
you
to
do
so
I'm
going
to
show
you
how
to
use
it
then
we'll
show
you
how
to
recognize
the
sign,
because
I
think
this
is
what
really
demystifies
it
for
people.
So
you
just
take
it
on
this
little
plaque
set
of
packaging.
It
has
a
tab,
so
it's
very
easy
to
pull,
and
it
looks
like
this.
It
looks
like
a
regular
nasal
spray.
Q
Q
So
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
dosing
each
one
of
these
is
one
dose
and
there's
two
doses
in
a
bag
in
a
package,
and
the
reason
that's
important
is
that
if
you
give
the
first
dose
and
nothing
happens
or
very
little
happens
in
two
to
three
minutes,
you
can
continue
to
give
it
another
dose
and
you
can
give
doses
every
two
to
three
minutes
until
help
arrives
now.
This
is
a
very
scary
situation.
If
that
happens,
you
might
feel
the
tendency
to
go
quicker
than
two
to
three
minutes.
Q
Ideally,
we
want
people
to
wait
because
it
is
being
absorbed
through
the
mucous
membrane,
and
if
you
go
really
quickly
and
put
a
bunch
of
doses
up
the
person's
nose,
it
will
come
out
as
a
liquid
and
it
will
not
get
absorbed.
But
again
it's
going
through
the
mucous
membrane
and
it's
getting
the
opioids
off
those
receptors,
so
how
we
recognize
signs
of
an
overdose.
That's
another
piece
that
I
know
that
is
concerning
for
people
again.
Q
So
if
it's
somebody
you're
worried
about
wake
them
up
from
their
nap,
they
may
be
annoyed
at
you
for
that
problem,
but
it
it
is
good
practice
to
check,
especially
if
it's
somebody
that
you're
that
that
there's
a
reason
to
be
concerned,
but
the
other
telltale
signs
is
somebody
can
look
like
they're
sleeping
their
finger
lips
turn
blue
fingernails
turn
blue
low
or
shallow
breathing,
because
it
and
or
a
gurgling
sound.
Those
are
all
times
that
you
should
be.
Q
You
could
be
concerned
about
overdose
and
again
those
seem
very
simple
and
easy
to
see.
But
it's
worth
you
know
just
going
through
these
very
deliberate
steps
so
that
people
feel
like
they
feel
confident
on
how
they
would
respond
to
an
overdose
I.
Give
people
really
deliberate
steps
because
I
think
sometimes
it
gets
overwhelming,
and
if
you
do
these
steps
in
order
or
out
of
order,
you're
still
really
moving
towards
getting
somebody
help
rather
than
if
you
get
overwhelmed
and
not
do
any
so
I
really
want
to
keep
the
steps
deliberate.
Q
If
you
come
upon
somebody,
your
concerns,
overdose
lips,
turn
blue
fingernails
turn
blue.
They
don't
look
right,
they're
in
a
different
position,
they're
sleeping
in
a
place.
They
wouldn't
be
you
just
say
they
say
something
to
them
quite
loud.
Try
and
wake
them
up
just
by
talking
to
them.
Hey,
hey,
hey!
If
they
don't
respond
to
that.
You
can
take
your
knuckles
just
like
this
in
a
fist
and
rub
them
on
their
chest
bone
and
you,
if
you
rub
it
on
your
own
chest,
bone
pretty
hard.
You
can
feel
it's
a
pain
sensor.
Q
We
don't
want
people
to
have
to
guess
a
lot.
It's
really
about
whether
they're
able
to
respond
to
you
or
not.
They
can
sit
up
and
say
I'm.
Fine
and
then
go
back
even
if
they
go
right
back
to
sleep,
they
may
need
medical
care,
but
they
don't
need
Narcan.
Yet
it's
if
they
cannot
respond
to
you
is
when
you
would
go
ahead
and
give
them
Narcan.
Q
So
again,
very
simple:
rub
the
chest
bone
or
under
the
nose,
and
if
they
don't
respond,
you
can
give
them
Narcan.
Now
the
next
step
is
pretty
deliberate.
Also,
if
you
are
the
only
person
there,
we
tell
people
to
give
Narcan
first
and
then
call
9-1-1
because
it
gets
the
the
medication
working
in
the
system.
Q
Again,
if
you
do
the
other
way
around
getting
those
steps
done
is
really
important,
but
if
you
I
would,
if
you're
the
only
one
there
give
the
first
dose
it
doesn't
take
very
long
and
then
call
9-1-1
in
Vermont.
We
have
this
amazing
law.
Speaking
of
our
legislators,
it
was
the
best
of
law
in
the
country
at
the
time
it's
called
the
Good
Samaritan
911
law.
Q
If
you
call,
if
you
call
9-1-1,
then
the
case
of
a
drug
overdose,
the
person
overdosing
and
anybody
helping
them
cannot
be
charged
with
a
drug
crime
in
the
state
of
Vermont.
So
they
can't
be
charged
with
possession
of
any
amount
sales
of
any
amount
delivery
which
means
I
gave
it
to
you
or
you
gave
it
to
me,
but
we
didn't
exchange
money
even
if
the
person
does
not
survive.
They
also
can't
violate
probation,
parole,
house
arrest,
restraining
order
or
conditions
of
release.
So
really
what
the
hell
did.
Q
The
legislature
did
that
year
was
focus
on
saving
a
life
and
and
really
getting
people
to
call
for
help.
So
it's
the
person,
who's
overdosing
and
anybody
helping
them,
and
it
also
includes
underage
drinking.
So
if
you
think
about
college
kids,
who
are
afraid
to
call
for
help,
but
what
it
means
is
that,
if
we're
all
at
a
party
and
somebody
overdoses,
you
know
the
the
automatic
response
we
are
hoping
for
will
be
that
people
will
feel
comfortable
calling
for
help.
Q
And
it
means
that
if
we
call
if,
if
there's
an
overdose,
we
can
all
work
together
and
immunize
ourselves
and
help
the
person,
so
if
I
give
Narcan-
and
one
of
you
all
gives
calls
9-1-1
and
one
of
you
all-
does
rescue
breathing
and
somebody's
out
flagging
down
the
ambulance.
All
of
us,
including
the
victim,
are
immune
from
prosecution
for
that
long
list
of
stuff.
Q
There
are
exceptions
if
the
person
is
in
the
car
and
drivers
seat
of
the
car
and
the
car
is
on,
they
can
be
given
a
DUI
in
in
May
or
if
there's
there
are
children
present,
and
that
person
is
responsible
for
caring
for
those
children
they
DCF
can
be
called.
Dcf
could
be
called
if
there
were
children
present
anyway
and
there
could
be
charges
about.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Our
cars
are
room
temperature
like
two
day
two
days
out
of
the
year,
so
we
really
it
should
be,
and
if,
if
it's
someone
who's
homeless
or
spends
a
lot
of
time
outside
I
tell
them
an
outside
pocket
in
the
summer
and
inside
pocket
in
the
winter
again,
we're
not
sure
that
it
affects
it
and
it's
better
than
nothing.
Absolutely,
but
that's
what
the
manufacturer
is
saying
currently
so
I'm
gonna
share.
My
screen
show
a
quick
video
video
and
then
we
can
ask
for
quick
questions.
Also,
my
email
is
just
Grace
k.
Howardcenter.Org.
Q
Q
AE
AE
The
person
is
unconscious
and
not
waking
up.
They
don't
respond
to
shouting
or
rubbing
Knuckles
on
the
breastbone
or
between
their
upper
lip
and
nose.
They
are
not
breathing
normally
to
begin
rescue
breathing
if
the
person
is
not
breathing.
Follow
these
instructions
open
the
person's
Airway
by
placing
one
hand
on
the
forehead
and
the
other
hand
on
the
Bony
part
of
their
chin
gently
tilt,
the
head
backward
slightly,
lift
the
chin
make
sure
their
Airway
is
clear
pinch
the
person's
nose
shut
and
cover
their
mouth
with
yours
take
a
regular,
not
a
deep
breath.
AE
Give
one
rescue
breath
for
one
second,
give
a
second
rescue
breath
for
one.
Second,
you
will
know
you
have
given
enough
air.
When
you
see
the
person's
chest
begin
to
rise
with
the
breath
you
give
as
soon
as
you
see
chest
movement.
Stop
that
breath
be
careful
not
to
give
too
much
air
if
the
person's
chest
doesn't
rise
on
the
first
breath,
try
repositioning
the
head
or
the
airway
and
trying
another
breath
to
give
chest.
Compressions
follow
these
instructions
once
you
have
given
two
rescue
breaths
do
30
chest:
compressions!
AE
Here's
how
place
the
heel
of
one
hand
on
the
center
of
the
person's
chest.
This
is
the
lower
half
of
the
sternum
place,
the
heel
of
the
other
hand,
on
top
of
the
first
hand,
so
that
the
hands
are
overlapped
and
parallel
push
hard
and
fast,
two
inches
deep
for
anyone
over
the
age
of
one
allow
the
chest
to
fully
return
to
normal
position
after
each
compression.
AE
For
every
two
rescue
breaths
give
30
chest
compressions
within
the
space
of
a
minute.
You
should
give
between
100
and
120
compressions
for
guidance.
Try
to
imagine
giving
compressions
to
a
normal,
beat
of
row
row
row,
your
boat
keep
doing,
rescue
breathing
and
chest
compressions
stop.
If
the
person
begins
to
breathe
normally
on
their
own,
they
regain
Consciousness
or
wake
up.
You
are
exhausted
and
can't
continue.
Ems,
police
or
other
trained
First
Responders
arrive
and
take
over
care.
AE
Although
the
risk
is
low,
mouth-to-mouth
rescue
can
transmit
infectious
diseases.
Consider
your
own
safety
before
providing
assistance.
Devices
such
as
a
pocket
mask
or
face
shield
are
designed
to
protect
you.
While
you
deliver
rescue
breathing
and
should
be
used
according
to
the
manufacturer's
recommendations.
Q
There
I
am
right,
and
the
last
thing
I
want
to
say
is:
if
you
don't
have
Narcan
it's
important
to
call
9-1-1
as
quickly
as
possible,
because
any
ambulance
in
the
state
after
2013
any
ambulance
in
the
state
will
have
it
also
any
police
in
the
state
other
than
there's
one
Police
Department
somewhere
in
southern
Vermont
that
doesn't
but
Burlington
Police.
Whoever
gets
there
first
will
have
Narcan.
Q
It
may
not
look
good
for
a
little
while
what
I
can
tell
you
is
that
because
of
Fentanyl,
and
that
maybe
I'll
come
back
another
time
and
talk
about
fentanyl,
it's
a
very
powerful
opioid.
It
can
take
multiple
doses,
but
I
don't
want
people
to
do
is
give
up
so
just
keep
doing.
The
dosing
I
also
understand
that
some
people
aren't
capable
of
doing
rescue
breathing,
which
is
why
I
really
was
deliberate
with
the
other
steps.
Q
If
you
can't
get
down
on
the
ground-
or
you
can't
do
you,
you
have
breathing
issues
or
there's
some
reason
why
you
can't
then
make
sure
that
you're
calling
9-1-1
and
doing
doing
the
nasal
spray
part
as
as,
as
you
know,
I
think
people
can
get
scared
and
not
do
any
of
them.
So
that's
why
I
want
to
just
be
very
deliberate
sorry
to
dispute
all
this
all
at
you,
but
I'm
I'm,
passionate
about
this.
If
you
can't
tell
so
feel
free
to
email
me,
I
do
see
a
hand
over
here.
T
M
Not
really
a
question
just
congratulating
Grace
excellent
presentation.
Two
weeks
ago,
I
had
a
friend
who
went
into
her
daughter's
room
and
found
her
in
that
blue
condition
did
not
have
anything
available
at
the
time
to
help
her
and
she
died.
So
when
you
walk
out
of
the
room
pick
up
a
couple
of
those
things,
because
you
never
know
when
you're
going
to
be
the
person
who
is
there,
it
might
be
your
neighbor
out
in
the
front
yard
yelling.
M
Q
So
sorry,
to
hear
that
Robert
and
and
what
you're
saying
is
true,
it's
it's
a
very
easy.
It's
there's
a
lot
of
stigma
around
it,
but
it's
a
very
easy
thing
to
do
to
carry
to
have
and
it's
a
nasal
spray.
If
all
you
do
is
spray
the
nasal
spray
up
somebody's
nose,
you
are
getting
them
well
on
their
way.
Q
You
also
don't
want
to
be
in
a
position
where
you
don't
have
access
to
this
very
safe
medication,
but
I'm
I'm,
I'm,
horribly,
sorry
to
hear
that
and
in
Vermont
we
are
I.
I
can
I
could
talk
about
this
all
night,
so
I
won't,
but
I
I've
been
at
my
job
for
15
years
and
we're
losing
people
at
such
a
high
rate.
It's.
Q
Preventable
but
I
can
come
back
another
time.
I
could
also
Yammer
on
about
the
housing
piece
and
so
again,
I'm
not
supposed
to
get
too
political,
but
that
is
critical
and
I
think
we
are
already
and
the
effects
are
going
to
be
a
a
wave
of
Devastation.
That's
going
to
start
coming
very,
very
quickly.
If
not
and
already
has
so
sorry,
you
know
I'm,
not
a
I'm,
not
bringing
all
that
much
hope,
sometimes
but
I'm,
just
being
really
direct
so
well,.
Q
D
Someone
go
get
it,
and
this
is
more
of
a
suggestion
for
you
or
I,
think
every
business
public
business
should
have
it
in
their
first
aid
kit.
In
the
last
month,
there's
there's
two
overdoses
in
Hannaford's
right
down
our
road,
so
I
I
hope
on
the
public
side.
We
can
get
businesses
to
keep
it
and
then
I,
just
if
I
want
to
tell
my
neighbor
where
to
get
it.
Where
can
I
get
it.
Q
Oh
so
this
is
great
if
you
go
in
the
Health
Department's
website,
especially
if
you
have
a
friend,
that's
in
another
part
of
the
state
they
can
just
type
their
address
in
and
they'll
tell
them
the
closest
spot.
It
is
in
pharmacies,
but
you'd
have
to
pay
for
it
and
there's
a
lot
of
places
to
get
it
for
free.
So,
but
that's
the
other
piece
I'll
tell
you
really
quickly.
Q
35
of
the
people
that
have
died
in
the
last
social
autopsy
we
did
were
restaurant
workers
and
construction
workers,
so
I
am
doing
a
focus
towards
them.
So
if
anybody
has
any
connections,
I'd
love
to
get
in
those
are
Department
of
Labor
Statistics.
So
we
know
that
that's
dramatically.
Underreported
I
worked
in
restaurants
for
years,
I'm
saying
it
publicly.
I
was
never
on
the
books.
My
partner
was
a
carpenter.
He
always
struggled
to
find
places
to
be
on
the
books.
Q
S
S
Q
Q
I'd
love
to
help
and-
and
you
know,
hear
their
experience
because
I
do
these
trainings
all
the
time
so
feel
free
to
give
them
my
email
too,
giving
out
my
email
to
everybody,
but
yeah
I
I
need
to
hear
those
stories
like
I
said:
I've
been
working
on
this
a
long
time.
So,
if
you
know
I've
never
seen
it
or
heard
it
but
I,
it
doesn't
mean
it
didn't
happen
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
and
reflecting
those
experiences
accurately
so
feel
free
to
give
anybody.
B
Q
Really
appreciate
it,
thank
you
so
much
for
saying
that
I
can
tell
you
that
safe
recovery
has
5
000
clients
and
they
are,
you
know
the
most
resilient
powerful
people.
That
is
a
silent
population
in
the
community
that
we
don't
see,
and
we
don't
know
their
stories,
but
some
of
the
stories
that
you
hear
and
then
you
see
them
getting
out
of
a
tent
and
going
to
work
or
going
to
get
their
methadone
or
even
getting
out
of
a
tent
to
you
know,
go
to
the
bathroom
in
the
middle
of
night.
Q
I
know:
I,
have
a
client
who's
in
her
60s
and
is
a
female
like
the
the
resiliency
in
this
population
is
not
anything
you
have
ever
seen
until
you
start.
You
know
stopping
and
talking
and
being
compassionate
to
people
and
I'm
sure
everybody
is
I.
Just
the
stigma
is
really
devastating
and
so
I
think
you
know
the
accomplishments
that
some
of
these
people
have
and
the
stories
that
they
have
you
know
are
things
that
we
would
never
imagine
when
you're,
when
you're,
seeing
what's
going
on
at
Burlington
right
now.
Q
So,
thank
you
all
for
being
the
ones
that
are
interested,
came
and
and
I'm
happy
to
to
meet
up
with
anybody.
Last
thing:
Robert
there
is
a
group
support
group
for
parents.
It's
called
team
sharing,
Vermont
and
I.
Think
it's
on
Facebook.
It
was
started
by
Kimberly
Blake
who's,
a
doctor
in
in
the
area
that
lost
her
son
and
I
know
that
that
group
I've
worked
with
that
group.
They
really
get
a
lot
of
power
and
support
from
each
other,
so
I
think
even
the
hospital
gives
out
her
cell
phone.
So
it's
a
really.
Q
You
know
a
horrible
thing
to
have
happen,
but
I
think
also
the
one
of
the
best
times
for
having
somebody
else.
Who's
been
there,
so
feel
free
to
tell
your
friend
about
that
or
have
them
connect
to
me
and
I
will.
Thank
you.
So
sorry,
all
right!
Well,
thank
you
all
and
sorry
to
keep
you
I
know
it's
late.
Take
care.