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00:17:16 State Legislature Updates
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A
A
Let
us
know
you
know
independent
to
be
respectful,
we've
been
sending
both
of
different
things
perspectives,
and
we
want
this
to
be
a
relative,
creative
and
fun
space,
which
is
a
meeting
for
all
of
us.
Both
of
us
are
on
the
steering
committee
identify
ourselves
in
a
woman,
and
some
of
us
are
not,
but
it
is,
and
then,
if
you
don't
endorse
political
natives.
A
B
A
A
Discussion
items
you
name
it
and
then
we're
legislative
updates
update
from
our
state
of
Representatives
right
now,
and
then
we're
going
to
go
and
we're
not
being
from
our
student
counselors
about
since
we're
going
to
end
around
a
little
here
in
Vegas
and
before
we
start
a
public
forum.
It
would
be
a
friendly
reminder
that
we
are
not
meeting
in
July.
F
One
of
those
things
is
to
offer
many
tours
of
the
Barge
Canal,
because
so
many
people
walk
by
on
the
bike
path
are
on
Pine
Street
and
never
actually
get
to
see
this
28
Acres
of
wild
space
in
our
in
right.
In
the
midst
of
the
south
end.
So
once
a
month
we
are
offering
just
a
tour,
just
a
walking
tour
of
the
Barge
Canal
anybody
that
wants
to
come.
F
F
We're
also
going
to
be
doing
Trail
maintenance,
because
there
are
a
few
trails
that
lead
in
and
working
on,
other
kinds
of
maintenance
for
projects
that
we've
been
doing
down
there,
so
that
is
10
to
12
on
Saturday
July
1st.
We
also,
if
you
can't
make
it
on
a
Saturday
and
you'd
like
to
have
a
small
group,
come
down
on
a
different
day.
F
We
can
be
contacted
at
sosburlington
gmail.com,
that's
sosburlington,
gmail.com
or
through
the
website,
which
is
Pine,
Street,
Barge,
Canal,
.org,
the
friends
of
the
bards
canal
and,
for
instance,
Jack
and
Daisy
here
came
down
last
Sunday
with
a
group
of
people
from
Bebop
because
they
couldn't
make
it
on
Saturday.
So
we're
glad
this
schedule
impromptu
tours
that
aren't
on
that
scheduled
day.
Thank
you
very
much.
G
My
name
is
Ruby
Perry
I
live
in
Ward
5
about
a
block
away
and
I
wanted
to.
Let
people
know
about
meeting
a
symposium
that
was
held
at
in
City
Hall
earlier
this
week
and
I.
It
was
really
interesting.
It
was
hosted
by
the
city
council
meeting
the
city
council
committee
called
tuke,
which
is
the
transportation.
G
Transportation
energy
Council
right,
yeah
utilities
and
what
they
were
talking
about
was
the
McNeil
plant
and
wood
burning
in
general,
as
as
a
viable
form
of
of
renewable
energy
and
there
and
Darren
Springer
was
there
from
from
bed
doing
an
amazing
job
of
summarizing
the
work
that
bed
does
around
that.
But
there
were
also
two
scientists
they're
talking
about
the
numbers,
basically
of
of
what
it
means
to
be
burning:
wood
in
terms
of
carbon
sequestration
and
what
it
means
in
terms
of
policy
shifts
that
are
coming
down
the
pike.
G
So
it
was
quite
eye-opening
and
the
reason
I
mention
it
now
is
because
there's
a
YouTube
recording
of
it
that
you
can
tune
into
and
get
all
of
that
in
your
own
time
in
in
your
own
home,
not
have
to
go
to
City,
Hall
and
I.
Think
it
will
be
that
address
will
be
included
in
the
minutes
when,
when
they
go
out
from
this
committee
from
the
mpa
so
take
a
take
a
look
and
see
what
you
think
and
thank
you.
E
G
E
A
H
H
So
it's
the
crosswalk
on
Saint
Paul
that
you
cross
to
go
into
Smalley
Park.
If
you're
on
the
opposite
side,
the
lines
are
pretty
much
gone.
You
can't
really
see
those
lines.
There
is
a
sign
there
to
let
you
know
that
that
is
a
crosswalk
but
I'm
just
kind
of
concerned
that
a
child
is
going
to
get
into
a
situation
with
a
car
there,
because
the
basketball
court
is
right.
D
H
And
if
a
basketball
like
rolls
down
into
the
street,
it
goes
down
like
a
slant
and
if
you're
an
eight-year-old
kid,
you
might
not
be
thinking
that
there's
cars
going
like
over
the
speed
limit
on
that
road
I
did
email
our
counselors
to
ask
about
getting
a
in
streets
crossing
sign
put
in
there.
But
I
haven't
heard
anything
back.
F
E
A
H
I
have
actually
submitted
some
things
to
that
and
I
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
those
signs
around
like
the
in-street
crossing
signs.
I
think
they're
good
for
calming
traffic,
but
I
only
have
seen
them
by
like
the
Champlain
campus.
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
they're
just
not
something
that
we
use
the
ones
that
you
can
put
in
the
middle
of
the
crosswalk.
D
I
Hi
I'm
fareen
I
live
in
a
legendary
Street
I
have
an
announcement
and
a
comment.
The
announcement
is,
there
will
be
people's
Pride
Celebration
in
Burlington,
it's
going
to
be
an
aqua
pledge
Park.
So
right,
a
few
hours
back
here,
it's
gonna
be
on
Saturday
June
24th.
This
is
not
the
official
sponsor
Pride.
This
is
more
about
people
Grassroots
type
of
Pride,
so
it's
over
to
everybody
and
June
24th
and
starting
at
3
P.M
at
The
Ledge
Park.
I
I
Think
that's
really
a
great
thing
and
I
I
know
there
are
communities
who
have
been
harmed
by
the
police
department
and
I
would
like
to
suggest,
as
one
of
his
first
act
to
Accurate
the
knowledge
that
yarn
that's
done
and
apologized
I
think
that
would
go
a
long
way
towards
rebuilding
trust
with
the
community
that
I've
been
taught.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
A
B
Just
my
name
is
Jack
Tiano
I
live
on
St,
Paul
and
marble
as
well,
mostly
I,
just
kind
of
wanted
to
put
an
idea
out
there,
as
I've
been
getting
more
engaged
with
the
community,
especially
coming
to
the
mpa.
One
thing
that
I
really
would
like
to
see
is
a
collaborative
conversation
around
what
the
future
of
you
know.
Our
neighborhood
looks
like
of
Ward
5,
specifically
in
terms
of
how
we
handle
both
the
climate
crisis
and
the
housing
crisis.
B
So
anyway,
I
don't
have
like
a
thing
to
pay
picture,
a
a
place
to
go
or
a
upcoming
event,
but
just
to
kind
of
put
that
out
there
and
kind
of
plant
that
seed
and
maybe
try
to
find
some
other
people
that
might
be
interested
in
starting
that
conversation
in
a
more
active
way.
But
anyway,
that's
it
from
me.
Thanks.
J
J
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
bills
that
he
vetoed,
I
would
say
the
structure
has
the
comments
have
generally
been
that
it's
you
know
too
costly
or
that
it's
sort
of
a
a
stick
approach
to
government,
something
along
those
lines?
That's
that's
sort
of
most
of
what
he
has
said.
Not
all.
Sometimes
he
has
other
feedback
on.
J
Basically,
the
the
motel
program
for
unhoused
people
was
able
to
run
for
about
three
years
or
so
with
federal
dollars,
and
it's
not
a
program
that
Federal
sorry
that
just
State
funds
can
maintain
in
perpetuity
for
as
many
people
as
it
has.
It's
also
really
not
a
great
program.
I
mean
it's
great
in
terms
of
the
sense
that
it's
a
shelter,
but
for
a
lot
of
these,
not
for
everybody,
but
for
a
lot
of
the
folks
using
the
motel
program.
They
need
Services.
They
need
other
support.
J
If
you
think
about
a
motel
like
there's
no
kitchen,
there's
no,
you
know
it's
not
it's
not
really
a
long-term
policy
to
have
people
who
don't
have
homes
live
in
motels.
It
is
better
than
tents.
All
of
that
to
be
said,
the
way
the
budget
process
works
is
it
starts
in
the
house.
Then
it
goes
to
the
Senate,
and
then
it
goes
to
the
governor
and
the
house.
Actually,
last
year
we
put
into
the
budget
money
and
language
to
have
the
Executive
Branch.
J
The
administration
figure
out
a
phased
plan
for
the
motel
program,
ending
because
we
knew
it
would
end
that
did
not
happen,
and
so
we
ended
up
in
a
situation
where
May
came
and
went.
We
did
pass
a
budget,
the
governor
vetoed
it,
the
governor
vetoed
it
because
it
was
too
expensive
which
leaves
us
in
a
place
where,
even
if
the
house
were
to
increase
the
budget,
it's
likely
that
the
Senate
would
have
probably
cut
it
down
and
then
the
governor
would
veto
it
anyway.
J
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
stalemate
as
of
about
a
week
ago,
and
about
a
week
ago,
there
have
just
been
a
lot
of
efforts
underway
to
figure
out
an
alternative
path
that
is
still
being
worked
out.
So
there's
a
lot
of
hope
that
by
next
Tuesday
we
will
have
a
way
that
will
be
less
harmful
and
less
painful
for
everybody
who
is
not
in
the
motel
system
and
and
has
been
kicked
out.
J
D
J
Next
week
we
will
be
able
to
to
see
progress
both
in
terms
of
the
housing
challenges
and
the
budget,
as
well
as
the
bottle
Bill
and
many
many
other
bills
that
were
vetoed.
That
being
said,
my
area
of
jurisdiction
to
cover
in
tonight's
conversation
is
really
I.
I
serve
on
the
environment
and
energy
committee,
which
is
a
phenomenal
committee.
We
cover
so
much
I
actually
had
to
write
down
notes
because
of
how
much
we
cover.
J
We
worked
on
climate,
Workforce,
language
and
money
so
that
we
could
actually
see
more
dollars
go
into
skilled
trades,
so
we
could
see
more
weatherization.
We
could
see
more.
You
know
shipping
insulation,
air,
sealing
of
our
buildings.
We
worked
on
a
biodiversity
bill
that
for
folks
who
may
or
may
not
know
about
70
percent
of
Vermont's
land
is
privately
arranged.
So.
D
J
So
in
this
bill,
basically,
it's
bringing
all
of
the
stakeholders
together
to
figure
out
a
plan
so
that
by
2030
we
have
30
percent
of
Vermont
land
and
Waters
preserved
in
one
way
or
another.
It
could
be
working
lands.
It
could
be
so
they're
different
preservation
models,
but
and
then
by
2050
it
would
be
50.
J
J
Predominantly
there's
a
real
focus
on
this
bill
for
lower
income
and
moderate
income
for
monitors,
because
for
folks
who
can
pay
like
myself,
I
mean
we've
already
put
into
heat
pumps,
we've
already
done
the
air
insulation,
and
all
of
that.
So
this
is
really
about,
as
we
see
more
people
like
me
doing
this
on
their
own.
We
have
a
good
sense
of
who's
going
to
be
stuck.
J
You
know
not
necessarily
being
able
to
pay
their
bills
20
years
from
now,
because
maybe
there's
so
much
fewer
people
heating
with
gas
or
oil,
and
so
it's
the
folks
who
have
reduced
amount
of
money.
You
probably
want
people
to
shift
and
then
they
actually
end
up
getting
into
an
even
tougher
situation,
20
years
out.
So
that
is
the
concept
behind
the
affordable
heat
acts
technically
over
the
next
year
and
a
half.
J
J
Fourth
try
household
hazardous
waste.
Vermont
is
the
first
nation
in
the
U.S
to
require
that
manufacturers
are
going
to
have
to
pay
and
develop
the
program
for
how
to
manage
household
hazardous
waste.
So,
if
you
think
about
you
know
your
great
uncle
three
times
removed,
they
pass
away.
You
go
into
their
home,
it's
full
of
like
weird
left
paint
overs.
J
So
this
is
actually
over
the
next
year
and
a
half
I
think
or
so
basically
going
to
require
all
of
these
manufacturers
Global
manufacturers
to
put
together
a
stewardship
organization
that
will
figure
out
how
to
pay
for
it
and
then
we'll
also
it'll,
probably
still
be
chicken
and
solid
waste
that
manages
it,
but
basically
we're
not
paying
for
it
and
they
have
to
own
it
and
the
cool
thing
about
that
is
when
you
start
to
put
it
off
at
the
manufacturing
stream.
They
start
thinking,
okay.
Well,
how
can
we?
J
How
can
we
make
our
packaging
smaller?
How
can
we
make
this?
Actually,
you
know
a
different
nozzle
so
that,
like
even
less,
can
leak
out
by
accident,
and
you
start
to
have
much
deeper
systemic
change,
so
very
cool
Vermont,
first
donation,
representative
Mary,
Sullen
Sullivan,
worked
on
that
for
the
recessions
and
I
happen
to
be
the
lucky
one
to
carry
it
over.
J
J
J
If,
if
you
can
build
a
single
family
home,
you
may
not
be
able
to
do
a
duplex
there,
because
it's
they're
just
certain
zoning
rules
from
like
10
20
30
years
ago,
so
this
basically
establishes
duplex
by
right,
which
also
makes
it
a
fair
amount
more
affordable.
If
you
can,
if
you
think
about
it,
if
you're,
if
you're
going
to
be
able
to
build
a
home
split
it
in
half,
you
live
in
half
of
it
and
someone
else
lives
in
the
other
half
it
allows
for
more
affordability,
more
density.
J
So
you
have
to
report
how
many
projects
have
you
looked
at
this?
Why
did
you
not
do
it
like?
There
are
situations
where
it
does
not
make
sense
to
Do
complete
Street.
If
you
have
a
road
right
along
a
riverbank
like
sorry,
bicyclists
you're
going
to
have
to
share
the
road
right,
but
there
are
many
other
situations
where.
If,
if
society
says
we
really
want
this
a
walkable
and
bikeable
community
and
not
so
car
focused,
then
we
need
to
take
a
little
bit
more
time
and
focus
on
it
and
plan
for
it.
J
K
J
K
Lonely
and
I
also
represent
Ward
five
and
six
in
our
in
what
is
chitten
in
14
13
they're.
Sorry,
in
13
years,
when,
when
we
were
talking
to
folks
last
summer
and
fall
at
our
little
neighborhood
lemonade
stands,
we
we
and
we
asked
people
what
really
concerned
them.
The
most
things
people
said
housing,
substance,
use,
Mental,
Health
and
child
care
paid.
K
Family
league
was
in
there
somewhere,
sometimes,
and
so
when
so,
I
serve
on
the
Appropriations
Committee,
which
develops
the
budget
from
the
policy
committee
recommendations
and
given
what
the
governor
has
proposed.
Etc
I'll
tell
you
what
I'm
particularly
excited
about
and
what
we
were
able
to
do
on
those
fronts.
That
I
think
will
make
a
difference.
One
we've
been
bleeding
staff
at
places
like
Howard
Center,
mental
health
professionals,
who
were
in
lots
of
different
capacities
and
and
for
two
decades
they've
been
underfunded.
K
K
Obviously,
because
people
have
to
wait
too
long
to
to
get
in
to
have
treatment
what
what
we
were
able
to
do-
and
this
was
a
major
priority
of
both
the
health
care
committee
and
the
Human
Services
committees-
were
to
boost
the
Medicaid
reimbursement
rate,
so
the
tune
of
99
million
dollars
that
goes
into
the
base
budget.
That's
something
that
then
those
agencies
and
professionals
can
count
on
and
either
substance
use,
counselors
It's,
Mental,
Health,
Counselors
and
doctors
primary
care,
physicians,
EMS
workers.
K
K
We
don't
really
have
that
kind
of
capacity
right
now,
and
you
know
you've
probably
also
read
a
lot
about
youth
mental
health
and,
for
the
first
time,
we're
developing
a
co-located
physical,
medical
and
mental
health
facility
for
youth
in
down
in
in
Bennington.
It's
the
only
facility
that
actually
responded
to
the
RFP
I
do
think
there
will
be
other.
K
K
So
we
the
budget,
a
dedicated,
211
million
dollars
to
housing
and
that's
the
largest
amount
that
it
has.
You
know
the
annual
amount
that
it
has
dedicated.
109
million
of
that
is
to
develop
affordable
housing
and
then
102
million
is
to
provide
emergency
shelter,
transitional
housing
for
folks
coming
out
of
prison
or
folks
who
are
leaving
foster
care
or
services
that
are
tied
to
emergency
shelter
or
temporary
housing
and
I.
K
Can
I
can
talk
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
that
in
a
second
just
to
pick
up
a
little
bit
on
what
Gabrielle
said,
but
we
also
committed
ourselves
to
Universal,
School
meals
and
the
governor
allowed
that
to
pass
without
its
signature.
It
is
given
the
testimony
that
that
the
general
assembly
heard
it.
It
has
made
a
huge
difference
in
the
in
reducing
stigma
for
kids
at
school
and
so
I.
K
K
For
next
year
that
was
my
my
personal,
that
was
that
was
the
hardest
thing
and
but
second
hardest
was
the
fight
over
housing
and
for
emergency
housing,
because
there
are
a
number
of
folks
who
were
working
very
hard
throughout
the
whole
session
to
try
to
build
more
money
into
the
budget,
so
that
folks
could
have
a
reasonable.
We
could
reasonably
transition
folks
and
from
the
motel
system.
K
It
had
nothing
in
it
for
the
motels
Beyond,
March
15.,
but
House,
Appropriations
and
and
Human
Services
put
23
million
dollars
in
so
that
we
could
take
people
through
June
to
June
and
sort
of
the
end
of
of
June
and
and
then
we
put
in
the
house
put
in
20
million
more
dollars
in
addition
to
adding
10
more
to
the
base
appropriation
for
emergency
housing,
it
wasn't
I
knew
it
wasn't
enough,
but
it
came
much
closer
to
where
to
to
being
enough
than
the
Senate
version
did
and
I.
You
know,
I
I.
K
K
It
is
a
fine
stand
for
people
to
have
opposed
the
budgets
that
came
back
from
the
conference
committee.
I
happen
to
know
how
hard
our
contraries
worked
to
try
to
get
more
money
into
the
budget
and
the
reason
that
it
was
that
that
the
12
and
a
half
million
you
may
have
heard
about
was
the
last
thing
that
was
done
is
because
there
was
resistance
to
doing
anything
more
until
the
last
minute.
So
so
there
have
been
a
lot
of
people
involved
in
trying
to
sort
this
out.
J
K
K
There's
there
isn't
any
way
for
the
government
to
keep
going
without
a
budget,
and
secondly,
we,
if
we,
if
we
we
are
likely,
if
we
don't
override
a
veto
and
have
to
write
a
payment
budget,
our
budget
will
be
closer
to
the
governor's
budget
and
we
did.
Our
budget
is
radically
different
from
what
the
governor
proposed,
and
so
it's
been
heartbreaking
to
watch.
All
of
this
play
out
and
and
I
am
I'm.
K
A
J
J
Bhs
in
the
budget,
the
budget
there's
16
million
this
year,
but
we're
addressing
PCB
remediation
and
the
approach
on
from
both
the
house
and
the
side
was
to
divide
up
so
to
focus
one
element
on
the
technical
center
at
the
high
school,
which
is
really
a
shared
resource.
It
should
not
just
be
burlingtonians
who
pay
for
it
since
it's
you
know
the
technical
center
for
so
many
towns
and
communities.
So
that
is
one
sliver
of
focus.
J
K
Million
but
yeah
I
was
discuss,
there's
also
Federal
money
that's
coming
in,
but
anyway,
because
the
bottom
line
is
16
million
dollars
and
I'll
tell
you
that
was
really
hard
thought.
There
were
so
many
amendments
on
the
floor
to
strip
that
out
of
that
bill
and
to
or
to
make
Burlington
pay
it
back
if
it
won
the
lawsuit
it
was,
that
was
wow
and
if.
K
K
A
Yeah
I'm
wondering
I,
know
the
conversation
about
this.
Is
our
community
like
we're,
gonna,
see
that
and
we
haven't
no
matter
who
we
are
but
I'm
wondering
if
you
have
any
thoughts
about
what
we
do,
that
as
we
see
people
being
forced
under
the
stream
and
not
really
be
able
to
offer
them
a
viable
actually
like
what
what
should
we
do?.
J
K
There
are
well
I
mean
and,
and
group
they're,
you
know
there
were
11
Representatives
at
the
city
council
meeting
a
couple
weeks
ago,
when
Burlington's
proposal
to
the
the
letter
of
interest
that
it
sent
to
AHS
was
proposed.
There
were
at
least
12
that
attended
a
meeting
in
South
Burlington
from
the
chicken
County
homeless.
K
I
think
that
there
I
know
that
there
will
be
a
group
of
people
working
with
the
joint
fiscal
committee
in
the
legislature
to
track
to
really
follow
what
is
happening
on
the
ground,
because
we
don't
do
very
well
as
a
legislature
as
a
part-time
legislature,
actually
not
enforcing
but
cracking.
How
things
are.
A
D
K
Establishing
this
check
this
facility
that
would
actually
check
drugs
that
are
on
the
street
to
see
what
is
actually
coming
into
Vermont.
We
we
don't
we
don't.
We
can't
anticipate
that
quickly
enough.
This
will
help
I.
We
also
have
settlement
money
that
has
not
been
extended
at
all
and
and
the
three
million
dollars
for
this
year
and
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
ideas
out
there
and
the
group
that
is
directing
the
the
expenditure
of
that
money
is
I,
think
working
pretty
hard
to
understand
the
current
landscape.
A
L
L
L
It
will
be
doing
everything
from
Comedy
to
poetry,
to
music,
so
that
will
be.
That
will
be
fun.
So
two,
that's
why
our
meeting
is
on
Tuesday
because
of
Juneteenth,
and
the
budget
is
on
our
agenda
to
be
adopted
for
Tuesday
this.
This
really
is
hot
off
the
press
and
I
haven't
had
time
to.
We
have
had
budget
presentations
over
the
course
of
two
months,
and
so
each
department
comes
and
presents.
L
These
presentations
are
all
available
online.
If
you
have
interest
in
watching
the
board
of
Finance
meetings,
you
learn
a
lot
about
how
each
department
works
and
the
different
programs
that
they're
doing
so
that
my
takeaway,
just
from
looking
at
this,
that
you
look
at
two
numbers,
the
budget
tax
rate
and
the
projected
taxes,
so
we
can
increase
our
Revenue
by
increasing
the
tax
base.
So
when
you
put
an
addition
on
your
house,
you're
going
to
get
reassessed
and
you
can
have
the
same
tax
rate
but
you'll
be
paying
more
taxes.
L
So
looking
at
this
number
with
the
tax
rate,
the
tax
rate
has
gone
from
0.7
last
year
to
0.75
this
year
and
that's
coming
mainly
from
two
sources:
one
is
works
and
I
can't
I
actually
went
back
and
re-watched
that
presentation
to
see
if
I
could
understand
like
why.
I
don't
understand
why
so
I'm
sorry
I'm
going
to
try
and
figure
that
out
between
now
and
Tuesday.
The
other
increases
are
really
in
this
category
called
budget
driven
rates
and
those
are
things
that
are
really
beyond
our
control.
L
They're
they're
Regional,
like
GMT,
is
regional
County
tax
retirement.
You
know
that's
money.
We
have
to
pay
so
that
we
can
pay
our
in.
We
can
pay
our
former
employees
Debt
Service,
so
those
are
all
things
that
are
kind
of
outside
the
city's
control.
So
the
one
item-
that's
adding
to
that
increase
in
tax
rate
is
Parks.
L
Then
another
thing
that
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
is
policing
where,
where
we
are,
we
did
a
point.
Chief
Murad,
which
I
had
been
a
strong
Advocate
I.
Think
that
when
you
put
anything
under
the
Microsoft
scope,
you're
going
to
see
the
flaws
are
really
going
to
jump
out
at
you,
I,
don't
think
we
will
ever
know
achieve
The,
Way,
We,
Know,
Chief
Murad.
So,
of
course
we're
going
to
know
his.
L
All
in
all,
I
think
that
he
has
really
saved
our
Police
Department
over
the
last
three
years.
If
we
he
could
have
left
he's,
a
man
who
certainly
has
opportunities
would
be
hired
in
a
Heartbeat
by
almost
any
other
organization,
and
he
chose
to
stay
with
Burlington
and
by
him
doing
that
we
were
able
to
preserve
some.
L
Don't
I'm
not
sure
that
would
be
possible
without
him,
so
I
am
personally
really
grateful
that
he
stayed
and
I'm
really
happy
with
the
appointment
of
the
chief.
We
have
to
understand.
You
hear
a
lot
of
numbers
about
how
many
police
are
approved.
We
have
had
for
decades.
We
had
a
105
sworn
officers
was
the
approved
number,
but
that
doesn't
tell
you
how.
A
L
And
I
think
that
you
know
a
lot
of
our
officers
who
have
spent
more
time
on
the
job
that
you
learn
a
lot
in
that
job
over
the
course
of
time.
So
we
want
to.
We
want
to
retain
our
police
officers
and
we
are
giving
them
a
lot
of
incentives,
and
you
will
notice
in
that
budget
that,
despite
the
very
low
number
of
police
officers
that
we
have
we're,
not
saving
any
money
by
having
less
officers
we're
having
to
pay
officers,
far
more
than
we've
ever
paid
them.
L
L
We
do
have
some
forced
overtime
as
well,
but
I
recommend
for
anybody
more
interested
in
not
to
look
at
the
chief
does
a
monthly
report,
it's
available
on
the
police
department's
website
and
I
recommend
you
go
there
and
it
kind
of
tracks
over
the
course
of
time
where
we
are
going
with
reported
crime
which
is
different
than
crime
as
well
as
the
department.
You
know
how
many
people
we
have
in
different
positions
and
then
the
other
big
thing
I
think
everybody
is
aware
of-
is
the
South
End
Innovation
Center,
which
is
right
here?
L
I'm
sorry,
the
John
column
left
before
before
this,
because
he's
he's
lead
on
that
project.
I
think
that
somehow
I
have
been
painted
as
being
opposed
to
this,
which
I
am
certainly
not
I,
was
consulted
in
the
very
beginning
of
this,
and
you
know
by
Russ
Scully
and
I
told
him.
I
was
supportive
of
bringing
housing
to
to
this
site
to
the
South
End.
L
Obviously
we
we
desperately
need
housing
and
I
tried
to
give
him
some
advice
on
on
how
to
navigate
a
little
bit
since
that
time,
I
really
haven't
had
Direct
conversations
with
hula
about
what
their
plans
are
here.
So
I
can't
speak
to
that,
but
this
is
certainly
a
once
in
a
lifetime
opportunity
and
I'm
not
of
the
opinion
that
our
job
is
to
rubber
stamp.
What's
been
done
by
the
planning,
commissioner,
we're
glad
the
planning
staff
there
is
a
process
at
the
city
council
that
this
is
supposed
to
go
through.
L
It
goes
through
the
ordinance
committee
which
Ben
and
I
both
are
on
the
ordinance
committee,
and
there
are
new
amendments
being
proposed.
Now
they
haven't
gone
through
they're
they're
being
proposed
by
staff,
and
they
haven't
gone
through
the
Planning
Commission.
There
are
also
things
that
the
Planning
Commission
wasn't
in
full
agreement
on
and
other
things
that
the
city
council
may
may
want
to
question
as
well.
L
There
has
been
a
lot
made
about
eight
stories
and
support
of
eight-story
buildings
because
we
need
more
housing,
and
the
thing
I
want
to
really
emphasize
here
is
that
eight-story
buildings
don't
necessarily
get
you
more
housing.
The
limiting
factor
in
this
zoning
ordinance
is
called
the
floor.
Area
ratio.
The
floor
area
ratio,
that's
being
proposed,
is
2.5
with
the
inclusionary
housing
that's
required,
2.5
is,
is
pretty
high
for
Burlington
looking.
What
we
allow
downtown
is
for
what
is
built
downtown
is
far
less
than
that
and
what
it
means
is.
L
If
you
had
a
floor
area
ratio
of
one,
you
could
build
a
one-story
building
that
covered
the
entire
lot
or
you
could
build
a
two-story
building
that
covered
one
half
of
the
lot.
So
a
floor
area
ratio
of
2.5
means
you
can
build
a
two
and
a
half
story
building
it
covers
100
of
the
lot
or
you
can
build
a
five-story
building
that
covers
50
of
the
lot
or
at
eight
stories.
I.
Think
it's
about
30
of
the
lot
you
can.
L
L
Have
I
wouldn't
call
it
Green
Space,
because
it's
not
required
to
be
green
space,
but
you
have
more
open
space,
it
could
be
paved
and
I,
don't
know
what
the
plan
is.
So
I
can't
tell
you
whether
that
will
be
green
space
or
paint
space,
but
since
eight
story,
buildings
only
covering
30
percent
of
the
lot
to
me-
is
a
little
bit
of
an
odd
format
for
building
a
city.
L
What
we
have
been
shown
as
community
members
for
decades
trying
to
persuade
us
that
you
can
have
density
that
you
like.
We
have
been
shown
rope,
houses,
four
plexes
things
that
are
much
denser
than
what
we
have,
but
we
haven't
been
shown
pictures,
including
drawings
that
are
done
to
talk
about
the
the
South
End
Innovation
District.
L
L
I
think
that
there
is
a
lot
of
there's
reason
to
go
up
rather
than
go
out
because
of
the
late
views,
because
you
get
higher
rents
when
you
go
up,
but
we're
also
told
by
planning
staff
that
that
type
of
building
is
not
likely
to
be
owner
occupied
and
if
to
get
owner-occupied
buildings,
those
are
going
to
be
the
shorter
Row,
House
type
buildings
and
I.
Think
Lena.
L
L
L
So
one
of
my
questions
in
this
process
is
how
are
we
going
to
assure
home
ownership
in
this,
or
are
we
going
to
be
a
city
that
is
80
percent
renters
with
many
of
those
renters
experiencing
regular
rent
hikes,
and
even
if
we
do
some
form
of
rent
control,
whatever
rent
control,
we're
going
to
do
is
still
going
to
allow
landlords
to
increase
their
rents.
So
those
are
the
kinds
of
questions
that
I'm
asking
and
what
I
have
shared
I
have
more
of
these
than
I
have
of
the
tax
thing.
L
Actually,
a
lot
more
to
it
than
being
for
or
against
eight-story
buildings
and
there's
actually
much
more
than
what
I
put
here.
This
was
just
just
a
few
thoughts.
One
of
the
other
concerns
I
have
with
the
proposal
over
here
is
that
that
they're
only
allowing
like
20
I
think
20
surface
parking
spaces
per
a
lot.
These
lots
are
very
large
and
I'm
now
wondering
was
it
20
or
a
lot
or
20
for
something
else,
20
surface
parsing
spaces.
L
It's
going
to
add
to
the
cost
of
rent
I
read
on
Reddit
that
counselor
Shannon
does
not
understand
the
existing
parking
requirements.
We
don't
have
a
minimum
parking
requirement.
However,
parking
is
required
by
the
market
because
my
bet
is
most
people
in
this
room.
Even
if
you
didn't
drive
your
car
here,
you
have
a
car
parked
somewhere,
and
so
we
need
a
place
to
put
those
cars,
and
the
requirement
in
this
district
is
for
structured
parking
and
then
so
you
can
have
some
that
is
under
a
building.
L
L
We
were
told
that
they've
studied
these
things
and
wrapping
is
not
the
best
practice,
so
they
will
be
screened,
they
could
be
wrapped,
but
they
won't
be
wrapped,
but
and
by
wrapped
I
mean
having
like
battery
in
colleges,
would
be
an
example
where
you
have
the
apartments,
the
parking
garages
behind
that
and
it's
covered
on
two
sides
by
the
building
itself.
So
that's
wrapped
at
least
on
on
two
sides.
That
is
not
a
requirement
in
this
District.
L
The
parking
can
be
separate
and
what
was
introduced
at
our
last
meeting
was
staff
staff
had
several
amendments
that
they
wanted,
but
one
that
I
found
very
concerning
is
the
idea
that,
if
they
build
public
parking
that
won't
be
counted
in
the
far
that'll
be
exempt
from
the
far.
If
I
understand
this
correctly,
so
I
think
that's
giving
like
a
parking
bonus
and
I'm
wondering
who
is
the
public
that
is
parking
here?
We
were
told
that
it's
Pine
Street
businesses
that
want
parks
to
park
there.
L
So
one
of
my
questions
is
who
are
the
Pine
Street
businesses
that
want
to
park
there
because
I
know
dealer
parks
on
on
this
side
and
they
have
their
own
building
here.
So
I,
don't
know
if
we're
talking
about
dealer
or
I
I,
don't
really
want
to
see.
This
neighborhood
become
a
neighborhood
of
parking
structures
intermixed
with
housing
units.
L
That's
not
the
vision
that
I
have,
and
so
those
are
the
kind
the
parking
actually
is
is
Raising
more
concern
for
me
than
the
height,
but
the
height
of
the
buildings
is
an
issue
not
by
virtue
of
height
itself,
but
these
other
factors
so
I
will
leave
it
at
that.
I
have
no
idea
what
time
it
is
or
if
I
over
my
time,
I'm
trusting
that
you
would
have
cut
me
off.
I've
been
looking
at.
M
A
M
C
N
L
N
L
L
N
L
O
L
N
Building
right
but
I'm,
just
thinking
like
Partnerships
with
Housing,
Finance,
Agency
and
other
organizations
where
okay,
they
haven't
done
it
before,
but
they
could
do
it.
You
know
those
it.
It's
looking
really
at
the
whole
set
of
Institutions
that
make
this
happen
and
see.
Where
are
the
barriers
yeah?
So
what
can
we
do
about
it
as
opposed
to
oh
yeah?
Well,
commercially.
It
doesn't
work
right
from
a
capitalist
perspective,.
L
N
P
Thanks
you're,
following
right
on
that
has
the
administration:
do
you
know
if
the
Administration
has
explored
it
all
in
the
either
Partnerships
or
direct
city
funding
mechanisms
that
would
be
filter
playing
field
in
favor
of
owner
occupied
housing
like
basically,
you
know
providing
some
sort
of
guarantee
or
other
I,
don't
know
what
mechanisms
would
be
needed,
but
whatever
it
is
that
Bridges
the
gap
between
being
feasible
and
not
feasible?
Does
that
kind
of
thing
actually
being
contemplated
in
any
active
way.
L
Not
to
my
knowledge-
and
there
is
an
mou-
so
there
is
a
public
private
partnership
that
is
between
the
city,
the
hula
arm.
That's
doing
this
is
called
ride.
Your
bike,
I
think
and
Champlain
College.
So
there's
an
mou,
but
it
talks
more
about
you
know:
building
parking
garages
together.
It
does
not
by
my
reflection.
It
does
not
address
owner
occupancy,
but
maybe
that
is
you
know,
maybe
that's
the
tool
that
we
need
and.
N
B
Yeah
have
a
quick
comment
and
then
a
question
actually
for
all
of
you.
The
first
comment
is
just
that,
like
I
would
love
to
dive
into
some
of
the
things
that
I
disagree
with
what
you
were
saying,
but
that's
not
really
the
Avenue.
But
if
anyone
wants
to
talk
to
me
about
some
of
how
I
might
see
this
in
a
different
life
feel
free
to
grab
me
after
on
the
topic
that
I'd
like
to
comment
that
I
made
at
the
beginning
about
how
we
see
our
neighborhoods
changing
in
the
future.
B
B
B
But
about
that
like
the
way
that
we
fund
it
is
kind
of
a
little
bit
more
Regional
and
it
makes
it
difficult
for
Burlington
who
has
a
much
higher
need
for
different
types
of
Transit
than
more
rural
areas
or
more
remote.
Parts
of
shinden
County
but
anyway,
just
to
kind
of,
as
the
three
of
you
are
here
to
kind
of,
is
their
collaboration
on
that
in
our
could
there
be
in
the
future.
J
J
How
much
I
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
coordination
between
GMT
and
the
state?
There
is
some
coordination
that
I'm
aware
of
I,
don't
know
I.
There
could
be
a
lot
I'm,
not
I.
Don't
know
that.
There's
a
lot
I
know
that
there
is
some
coordination
between
GMT
and,
for
example,
when
I
chaired
brilliant
electric
commission,
with
the
Burlington
electric
department
to
get
the
electric
buses
that
sort
of
thing
so
there's
definitely
coordination
and
then
there's
the
overlay
of
the
chinton
county
regional
planning
council
with
Charlie
Baker
there
as
head.
J
What
I'm
going
to
suggest?
Because
that's
a
really
that's
a
really
interesting
question
and
one
of
the
pieces
is
I
didn't
delve
into
in
terms
of
the
transportation
budget.
This
past
years,
there
was
initially
the
proposal
was
to
stop
the
fair
free
like
just
carte
blanche,
as
of
like
June
30th,
because
that's
what
we
had
done
from
last
year,
mostly
again
with
Federal
dollars
and
what
what
we
ended
up
doing
was
figuring
out
a
way
to
continue
that
for
a
bit
longer,
while
GMT
reassesses
what
it
costs
to
get.
J
D
I
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
update
about
from
the
charter
change
committee
on
the
police
oversight
at
the
city
level.
I'm
also
wondering
if,
at
the
state
level,
if
there
is
anything
being
done
about
setting
a
Statewide
standard
on
police
oversight
by
civilians,
and
the
other
comment
I
want
to
make
is
that
we
we're
promised
a
robust
discussion
with
public
influence
on
public
safety
and
a
past
week
has
struggled
for
many
of
us
to
actually
even
access
this
office
discussion.
L
D
L
Think
that
there's
also
I
think
there
are
police
Commissioners,
who
think
that's
a
grand
idea,
other
police
Commissioners,
who
are
feeling
so
overwhelmed
by
the
volume
of
work
that
they
have
to
do
now,
but
they're
also
could
be
more
professional
oversight
and
I
kind
of
think
would
be
interesting
to
look
at
because
Burlington
actually
wouldn't
have
it's
not
like.
We
have
a
huge
number
of
complaints
that
need
to
be
dealt
with
by
somebody
kind
of
outside
the
department.
L
There's
there's
many
complaints
that
can
be,
and
this
is
according
to
the
police
commission,
that's
reviewing
these
complaints.
Many
of
these
complaints
can
be
resolved
with
little
or
no
Fanfare
at
all,
they're
very
cut
and
dry
and
simple
and
they're,
not
necessarily
big
complaints.
You
know
a
cruiser
didn't
put
a
blinker
on
when
they
turned
or
if
they
you
know
it
can
be
some
very
little
things,
but
so
for
the
big
things.
L
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
have
somebody
at
the
state
level
who
could
adjudicate
or
facilitate
some
of
these
things
to
raise
them
to
a
higher
level
to
a
body.
They
do
a
public
body
that
can
review
these
cases.
I
do
not
feel
and
Others
May
disorder.
There
certainly
are
some
people
who
think
that
they
have
the
solution,
and
the
committee
just
has
to
approve
the
solution.
I'm,
not
one
of
those
people
I
see
some
challenges
with.
L
It's
a
lot
of
work
who's
going
to
do
that
work.
What
expertise
do
you
need
to
do
that
work,
so
I
think
that
there's
there's
a
lot
of
questions
to
be
answered
and
I
know
that
there
is
a
desire
to
have
more
public
engagement
on
this.
So
I
appreciate
your
point
and
that
has
been
raised
to
the
meetings
as
well.
L
C
C
L
Next,
the
next
South
End
Innovation
district
meeting
is
going
to
be
June
28th.
Okay,
great
you
can
keep
an
eye
on
the
city
council,
City
calendar
on
the
city
website,
because
I
don't
know
at
this
time,
I
think
it's
gonna.
It's
the
meetings
are
usually
at
seven
o'clock.
I,
don't
know
what
room
usually
is
at
City
Hall
in
the
butcher
conference
room
but
okay
depends
on
if
it's
available
and
then
I
think
it's
July
12th
for
the.