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From YouTube: Ward 5 NPA October Meeting
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00:00:00 Call to Order
00:03:55 Public Forum
00:18:33 Updates from our City Councilors
00:43:58 Community Story Map - Evan Litwin and Mariah Sanderson
01:03:15 Pine Bath House and Bowling Alley Project Discussion - Jovial King
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A
So
welcome
to
the
ward,
5
neighborhood
planning
assembly
we
are,
but
we're
going
to
do
a
quick
run
through
of
our
guiding
principles.
First
of
all,
for
anybody
that
is
listening
and
might
not
know
them,
like
you,
Sophia,
and
my
name
is
Andy
Simon
I'm
on
the
NPA
steering
committee
for
Ward
five
I'm
joined
today
with
by
Terry
rivers
and
Nancy
Stetson,
who
are
also
on
the
steering
Community
Joe
dear
Dairy,
is
on
online
there's.
Also
a
Syrian
Community
member.
A
A
A
A
If
you
don't
want
to
do
that,
if
you're
cooking
dinner
or
something
else
and
feel
free
to
keep
the
video
off
and
listen
and
speak
this,
that's
the
old
agenda,
but
so
I
don't
think
we
have
our
agenda
up.
Maybe
Nancy's
gonna
pull
it
up.
We
we
always
start
with
public
forum
and
we
leave
20
minutes
for
that.
A
We
have
our
two
city,
council,
Joan,
Shannon
and
Ben
Travers
here
today,
and
to
give
us
an
update
on
what's
going
on
on
the
city
council.
Since
we,
we
did
have
a
slot
for
the
Water
Resources,
Department
I
know
for
the
Burlington
electric
department
and
they
canceled
today.
So
we
have
a
little
bit
more
Elbow
Room
I'm,
going
to
suggest
that
maybe
we
want
to
give
our
counselors
20
minutes
instead
of
15
minutes,
because
there's
so
much
going
on.
A
B
My
name
is
Christine
McConnell,
I
know
this
is
not
on
the
agenda
today,
but
I
was
chit
chatting
with
my
neighbor,
maybe
yesterday
or
the
day
before,
about
the
Innovation
project
happening
I,
remember
seeing
something
about
it
and
I
was
like
oh
yeah
and
then
oh
yeah,
and
he
was
suggesting
so
I
hope.
This
is
an
okay
time
to
sort
of
speak
about
it.
But
so
again
my
name
is
Christine.
B
Mcconnell
I
have
been
in
Burlington
since
1990
it
was
a
94
graduate
of
UVM
actually
came
back
to
live
here
in
96,
so
I've
been
living
here
since
96.
I
live
in
the
birchcliff
neighborhood
I
also
would
like
to
quickly
say
thank
you
for
putting
the
no
parking
signs
at
the
bottom
of
pursliff,
because
that
was
really
tricky
for
a
while.
B
What
I
understood
is
that
it's
a
roughly
not
having
dug
really
deep
into
the
many
pages
of
information,
but
it's
about
a
89
increase
from
what
the
previous
spec
was
I,
guess
for
zoning
and
actually
30
percent
more
than
what
the
2016
dmuc
area
was,
which
is
like
Pearl
Street
Main
Street
battery
that
zone
up
until
2016.
That
was
only
65
feet
high
and
what
we're
proposing
is
85
feet
high
down
here
in
this
Innovation
district
and
I.
Don't
have
a
view.
B
B
I
mean
I,
take
pictures
literally
every
day
when
I'm
on
the
bike
path
and
it's
so
beautiful
and
it's
gorgeous
and
I'm
imagining
what
what
will
it
look
like
when
we
have
80
foot
85
foot
buildings
up
that
way
again,
like
very
excited
to
see
some
positive
development
happening
down
here
and
I
just
think.
That's
a
pretty
massive
change
that
you
know.
B
A
I
I
would
remind
people
that
public
forum
doesn't
have
to
be
on
a
particular
topic.
You
can
bring
whatever
you
want.
Thank
you
for
sharing
that
and
sharing
those
questions.
I
I.
Imagine
that
it's
possible
that
that
our
counselors
might
have
might
be
able,
at
least
to
direct
you
to
the
right
place.
To
answer
to
ask
those
questions,
we
have
had
several
presentations
on
the
Innovation
District,
but
it
felt
like
it's
time
to
for
them
to
come
back
for
for
the
planning
office
in
Tito
to
come
back
and
answer
more
questions.
Yeah.
B
C
Hi
everybody
thanks
so
much
Andy,
my
name
is
Lucia
cambriello
I
am
your
neighbor
down
on
the
corner
of
Pine
and
Lyman.
I
live
here
with
my
family,
which
includes
my
husband,
Joe
and
my
two
young
daughters,
both
of
whom
are
at
Champlain
Elementary,
School
I'm,
also
your
ward,
5
school
board,
rep
and
so
I'm
here
today
to
say
thank
you
to
those
of
you
who
have
been
dialing
into
the
conversation.
C
That's
ongoing
in
the
community
right
now
about
the
bond
vote
that
you're
all
making
a
decision
on
on
November
8th,
really
appreciate
the
community
conversation.
That's
happened
over
the
past
several
months
and
years
and
grateful
for
the
participation
from
many
of
you
on
the
phone
and
also
to
share
with
you.
My
contact
information
in
the
event
folks
are
undecided
on
their
Vote
or
have
continued
questions
about
the
project.
C
B
C
My
email
address
is
l
and
then
my
last
name,
which
is
on
the
screen,
I,
think
for
you
to
jot
down
quite
easily
at
b
s
d
v,
t
dot
org
like
Burlington
school,
district,
vermont.org
and
I
would
really
just
welcome
the
opportunity
to
chat
with
those
of
you
if
you've
got
questions
before
you
cast.
Your
ballot
also
feel
free
to
reach
out.
C
D
As
best
I
can
tell
among
members
of
the
delegation
to
push
this
to
push
our
support
behind
it
and
to
get
a
state
commitment
to
help
to
underwrite
part
of
the
cost.
So,
anyway,
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
Lucia
that
that
that
that
will
be
happening
and
it
should
go
out
tomorrow
on
the
front
porch
for
him.
E
E
F
Hey
Andy
sure
yeah
I
was
having
a
conversation
with
a
colleague
earlier
this
week
and
they
they
noted
that
someone
they
were
talking
to
had
said
the
word
really
four
times
so
I'm
going
to
give
this
a
shot
to
try
to
win
the
argument.
We
really
really
really
really
need
a
high
school,
so
that'll
be
my
first
announcement.
F
I
also
received
a
well
in
my
own
front,
porch
Forum,
which
is
the
addition
I'm
on
Ferguson
Avenue,
which
at
the
end
of
our
street
here,
is
where
the
blasting
is
happening.
Right
now
for
the
parkway,
and
there
was
some,
there
was
a
I
guess
there
was
one
email
about
that,
someone
that
didn't
realize
that
that
was
happening
and
I
kind
of
realized
that
it
wasn't
really
the
best
communicated
thing
as
far
as
reaching
as
many
people
as
possible.
F
F
Well,
it's
an
easy
web
address
anyway,
it's
champlainparkway.com,
so
you
go
to
champlainparkway.com,
there's
a
contact
page
where
you
can
sign
up
for
the
weekly
updates,
because
otherwise
I
haven't
really
seen
anything
from
DPW
on
our
front
porch
Forum
since
April,
and
they
had
the
couple
of
signs
that
are,
you
know
the
flat
the
lighted
signs.
But
you
know
those
only
have
like
a
couple
of
words
on
them.
So
unless
you
can
kind
of
Read
Between,
all
those
three
or
four
words
it'd
be
hard
to
tell
what
they're
talking
about.
F
But
you
know
blasting
is
going
on
here
at
the
end
of
Ferguson,
on
the
the
lake
side
of
it
through
the
next
month
or
so
so
put
your
picture
frames
down
or
something
so.
Hopefully,
people
take
a
note
of
that
web
address
and
sign
up
if
you're
interested
in
hearing
what's
going
on
the
project.
I,
don't
think
they
told
us
that
Lyman
was
going
to
be
a
moat
last
week,
but
you
know
they're
trying
so
I
think
that's
all
I
had
for
public
forum
here.
F
G
Hey
everyone,
my
name
is
Lena
use
they
them
pronouns.
I
live
on
Maple,
Street
and
I
am
on
the
bike
path.
Every
day
and
I
noticed
that
there's
a
big
trailer
parked
in
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
from
violia
Viola
is
a
massive
water
privatization
company.
They
also
do
Wastewater
Services,
they
were
implicated
in
the
flint-led
crisis
and
they
are
undergoing
a
big
merger
with
Suez
the
other
largest
water
privatizer
in
the
world.
These
two
corporations
are
recolonizing
water
resources
in
Africa
and
they
have
a
history
of
responsibility,
irresponsibility
and
misuse
of
public
resources.
G
G
A
A
H
So
a
couple
things
since
I
have
an
extra
two
and
a
half
minutes,
I
guess
to
address
some
of
the
things
that
came
up
in
the
public
forum.
The
Enterprise
zoning
changes
have
not
come
to
the
city
council,
yet
they're
in
the
Planning
Commission,
which
is
I,
think
where
Christine
may
have
heard
about
them
and
I've
also
seen
them
posted
on
front
porch
forum
and
I
think
that
I
should
post
that
link
I'm
from
porch
Forum.
H
So
more
people
know
about
it
before,
because
it's
always
hard
to
know
when
to
weigh
in
a
lot
of
people
will
weigh
in
when
it
gets
to
the
council
level.
But
it's
already
gone
through
a
lot
of
the
process.
So
weighing
in
at
this
point
when
it's
when
it's
at
the
Planning
Commission
is
a
good
time
to
weigh
in.
H
The
DPW
blasting
there
was
a
complaint
on
front
porch
forum
about
the
blasting
and
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
DPW
has
been
trying
really
hard
to
work
closely
with
your
City
councilors
to
keep
us
abreast
of
what's
happening
and
we've
been
talking
to
them
about
how
to
keep
impacted
constituents
informed
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
had
done.
We
learned
from
the
blasting
up
at
The
Rotary.
There
were
some
neighbors
there.
H
That
said,
we
knew
there
was
going
to
be
blasting,
but
we
had
no
idea,
like
nobody,
told
us
to
take
things
off
our
shelves,
and
you
know
that
we
needed
to
protect
things.
We
just
thought
it
was
going
to
be
kind
of
an
annoyance,
and
so
with
that
feedback
they
did
go
into
that.
You
know
they
offered
to
go
into
people's
homes
and
kind
of
advise
them
on.
H
You
know
removing
things
that
might
be
breakable,
because
the
blasting
is
is
invasive
in
the
surrounding
area,
so
I
think
they
did
a
better
job
than
they
did
up
at
The
Rotary.
We
certainly
learn
each
step
of
the
way
and
I
will
suggest
to
them
that
they
use
front
porch
Forum
more,
but
I
know
that
they
have
certainly
tried
to
reach
out
to
the
adjacent
Neighbors.
H
The
I
am
the
chair
of
the
PAC
committee,
which
is
Parks
arts
and
culture,
Committee
of
the
city
council
and
we've
all
been
receiving
a
lot
of
complaints
about
activities
in
our
Parks,
particularly
regarding
Public,
Safety
and
illegal
activities
and
competing
uses
in
the
Parks.
So
we
convened
a
meeting
last
night
to
hear
from
the
public
and
I
did
post
this
on
front
porch,
Forum
I
know
some
people
felt
I
did
not
give
them
enough
notice.
H
So
I
apologize
for
that,
but
we
did
have
quite
a
few
members
of
the
public
weigh
in.
Unfortunately,
it
only
got
posted
on
the
south
end
front,
porch
forums
it
didn't
get
posted
on
anybody
else's
and
I.
Think
we
need
to
share
that
across
the
city
better,
but
we
we
did
get
a
lot
of
input
and
I
thought
it
might
be
good
to
just
let
you
know
what
I'm
hearing,
because
I
think
people
are
also
emailing
us
and
sometimes
it
feels
like
things
aren't
getting
as
much
attention
as
people
would
like.
H
So
I
just
wanted
to
go
over
what
we
heard
at
the
meeting,
which
was
both
you
know,
kind
of
complaints,
but
also
we
asked
people
to
give
us
their
suggestions,
so
I
also
put
out
to
this
group.
If
there's
anything
that
you
have,
you
have
seen
that
you
don't
feel
is
captured
in
these
lists,
and
especially
if
you
have
ideas
about
things
that
we
can
do,
we
would
love
to
hear
it.
So
we
heard
from
I
wanted
to
hear
from
City
staff.
H
You
know
what
are
they
seeing
as
problems
in
terms
of
safety
challenges
and
competing
uses
in
the
Parks
and
what
we
heard
from
them
is
certainly
needles.
Are
a
problem
they're,
a
problem
for
staff
they've
tried
to
train
staff,
how
to
pick
them
up,
but
that's
not
always
successful
and
they're,
of
course,
unsafe
for
all
the
park.
H
Users,
including
children,
dogs,
off
leash,
overcrowded
parking,
Lake,
health
and
in
terms
of
competing
uses,
they
described
it
as
living
room
versus
drop-in
uses,
compete
with
each
other
and
also
noted
that
which
I
did
not
know.
Five
catalytic
converters
were
stolen
from
cars
in
a
parking
lot.
I
think
that
was
atleti
from
the
public.
H
These
are
really
serious.
Obviously,
a
lot
of
this
stuff
is
really
serious
and
you
know
they're
related
to
Greater
social
problems,
no
question
what
we
do
about
this
is
is
really
challenging
and
I
appreciated
that
people
came
to
the
to
the
table
with
some
ideas.
So
some
of
the
suggestions
that
we
heard
and
again
we
might
not
have
time
tonight
to
really
dig
into
this
or,
if
Andy
grants
us
more
time.
Maybe
we
do
but
I'd
love
your
feedback
on
some
of
the
ideas
that
that
were
were
shared
in
this
meeting.
H
So
some
suggestions
were
cameras
in
the
problem,
areas
and
sensitive
areas.
Some
areas
just
have
problems.
Some
areas
are
particularly
sensitive
to
these
types
of
behaviors
and
those
cameras
could
either
be
the
type
of
cameras
we
use
now
which
the
police
can
go
back
to
if
there's
an
issue,
but
nobody's
really
monitoring
them
most
of
the
time
or
we
can
do
like
webcams,
where
it's
just
people
get
to
see.
H
What's
going
in
the
park
going
on
in
the
park
at
any
time,
you
can
tune
into
the
live
cam
station
re,
Baird
Park.
There
was
a
bullet
in
a
slide
at
Bear
Park
and
there's
some
ongoing
kind
of
Nefarious
activity
there,
and
the
suggestion
was
that
removing
the
bushes
would
give
a
better
public
view
now.
I
know
that
removing
vegetation
is
always
controversial
in
Burlington,
so
I
think
that
that
is
something
that
would
be
an
important
Community
discussion.
H
H
So
the
solutions
list
was
a
lot
shorter,
but
perhaps
people
will
continue
thinking
about
it.
I
know
that
you
know
we.
We
want
to
be
considerate
of
our
neighbors,
who
are
really
experiencing
hard
times
and
that's
impacting
our
parks.
We
want
to
be
thoughtful
and
sensitive
about
how
we
approach
this,
but
we
also
want
our
parks
to
be
a
safe
place
for
everybody,
including
our
children,
so
going
on
from
that
I'm,
just
the
the
bearer
of
not
some
very
good
news
today,
but
you.
A
A
H
So
the
other
thing
is,
you
know,
people
our
neighbors
have
been
terribly
victimized
by
Tire
slashings
in
one
particular
neighborhood
I
think
it
was
hit
three
times
in
a
week
and
one
particular
couple
or
household
got
hit
all
three
times
in
one
week,
and
this
is
this
is
a
crisis
for
the
people
that
are
being
victimized,
and
this
is
another
thing.
Andy
I
don't
know
if
the
NPA
might
have
some
interest
in
I
think
we
need
to
we'd
like
to
stop
these
things
from
happening.
H
That's
the
first
priority,
but
maybe
it's
not
even
the
first
priority.
I
really
think
the
first
priority
is
helping
the
people
who
have
been
victimized
and
trying
to
get
them
funds
so
that
they
can
get
to
work
so
that
they
can
get
their
tires.
Fixed
catalytic
converters
have
been
stolen,
so
I
would
like
to
to
work
with
anybody
who
wants
to
try
and
figure
out
there's
a
lit.
There
is
some
funding
for
these
kind
of
things,
but
it's
not
very
much
through
city
government.
H
Also
city
government
is
not
terribly
Nimble
in
administering
these
things,
so
what
can
we
do
outside
of
that?
I
think
is
a
conversation
worth
having
and
I
wanted
to.
Most
importantly,
I
have
had
a
lot
of
questions
about
the
school
bond.
People
stopped
me
on
the
street
and
they
say
Joan
well
what
if
we
did
this
and
what?
If
we
did
that
and
my
answer
is
always
out-
we
have
the
best
we
have
like
the
Dream
Team
for
a
school
board.
H
They
haven't
get
investigated
more
options
than
I
could
possibly
comprehend
and
they've,
followed
through
on
everybody's
suggestions
of
I
have
a
better
idea
and
now
we're
at
the
point
where
this
is
the
best
idea
that
anybody
could
come
up
with
and
reach
consensus
individually.
We
may
all
think
oh
I
wish
they
had
done
this
or
that,
but
ultimately
they've
made.
This
is
the
most
fiscally
responsible.
School
Board
I
have
seen
in
all
my
time
in
Burlington
since
1985.
H
and
they're
responsible
to
our
children
equally,
and
we
are
not
going
to
get
a
better
plan
than
this.
We
are
certainly
not
going
to
get
a
cheaper
plan
for
building
a
high
school
look
at
what
South
Burlington
had
suggested
for
building
their
High
School
far
more
expensive
than
this
and
I
wholeheartedly
endorse
this
plan
and
I
also
appreciate
that
the
efforts
of
our
school
board
members
to
follow
every
single
person
who
has
suggested
that
something
else
could
be
done
and
try
to
help
them
understand
why
they
reach
this
conclusion.
H
H
A
H
You
can
certainly
also
weigh
in
with
individual
planning,
Commissioners
and
you'll,
find
that
as
well
when
you
get
into
that
website,
I
wish
I
had
a
more
efficient
way
to
tell
you,
but
that's
what
I'm
doing.
Maybe
somebody
else
here
can
tell
me
a
better
way
to
find
that
information.
It's
it's
hard
to
track
everything.
A
F
Oh
okay,
perfect
I,
said
not
perfect,
it'll
be
on
a
later
one.
Hopefully
so
I
can't
suggest
a
solution,
most
of
most
of
the
list
of
things
that
you
had
for
the
parks
earlier,
because
it
was
a
pretty
impressive,
but
one
thing,
I've
seen
posted
over
the
years
and
more
recently
like
last
week
was
it
seems
like
in
at
least
some
areas
of
the
park,
or
maybe
completely
they
stop
putting
out
the
trash,
bins
and
I,
don't
know
if
they
continue
to
have
the
portalets.
F
But
you
know
considering
that
you
know
you
can't
really
totally
prevent
folks
from
camping
there
for
a
day
or
two
at
a
time
just
having
some
kind
of
facilities
to
get
rid
of
waste,
and
that
would
kind
of
help
out
with
the
aftermath.
Of
course,
you
know
it's
not
like
I
would
want
to
be
the
one
collecting
the
trash
that
has
needles
in
it.
So
I
don't
know
how
you
solved
that
problem,
but
the.
F
A
I
First
of
all,
I
agree
with
Joan
that
to
stay
up
to
date
with
respect
to
proposed
zoning
changes
and
The
Innovation
overlay
District
as
they're
calling
it.
Yes,
it
is
in
the
Planning
Commission
and
that's
certainly
a
good
place
to
connect.
If
the
Planning
Commission
ends
up
passing
out
any
proposed
zoning
changes,
it
will
then
come
to
the
city
council.
It
will
be
heard
before
the
city
council's
ordinance
committee.
It
will
come
back
before
the
full
city
council
for
multiple
public
hearings
there
as
well.
I
So
this
is
a
long
process
where
a
number
of
folks
are
going
to
have
opportunities
to
weigh
in
so.
Yes,
there
is
a
next
Planning
Commission,
but
if,
for
one
reason
or
another
you're
not
able
to
make
that
meeting,
there
will
be
additional
opportunities
down
the
line
before
I
forget
with
respect
to
Wastewater
I'm,
not
familiar
with
the
specific
company
or
I,
don't
believe
that
any
proposal
or
contract
has
come
before
the
city
council
to
contract
with
that
entity.
I
I
certainly
appreciate
the
information
and
the
comments
that
were
made
about
them,
and
it
will
be
information
to
keep
in
mind
going
forward.
I
know
that
the
Wastewater
department
has
been
making
significant
upgrades
to
our
stormwater
system
to
try
to
correct
overflows
when
there
are
storm
events,
it's
actually
been
very
successful.
I,
don't
know.
If
you
all
remember
not
that
long
ago,
pretty
much
every
time
there
was
a
major
rainstorm,
we
would
receive
notice
that
there
had
been
an
overflow
into
the
lake.
I
We
basically
didn't
receive
any
of
those
notices
this
past
year
and
it's
because
there's
been
some
major
upgrades
to
our
stormwater
system.
One
thing
that's
happening
right
now
is
I
know
that
they
are
going
through
a
trial
period
with
three
different
companies
that
have
different
Technologies
to
extract
phosphorus
from
our
water.
Phosphorus
is
a
major
contributor
to
the
cyanobacteria
blooms
in
the
lake.
I
It's
possible
I,
don't
know,
there's
a
speculation
on
my
part
that
that
company
is
one
of
the
companies
that
that
our
water
division
is
is
using
to
trial
a
certain
technology.
Once
they're
done
with
this
trial
period,
they
are
going
to
come
before
the
council
I
believe
to
ask
for
support
in
them.
Selecting
one
of
these
Technologies
to
better,
be
able
to
extract
phosphorus
from
from
our
Wastewater.
I
A
couple
other
issues
on
the
city
council
I
sit
on
the
charter
change
committee.
The
charter
change
committee
views
a
number
of
proposals
that,
if
approved
by
the
committee
and
then
the
full
Council,
would
end
up
before
voters
to
decide
on
on
town
meeting
day
in
March,
I
came
to
public
comment
at
the
last
meeting.
To
let
folks
know
that
the
charter
change
committee
is
reviewing
a
proposal
on
all
Resident
voting.
This
is
something
we
looked
at
five
or
six
years
ago
in
the
city.
I
I
So
it's
possible
that
this
is
a
matter
that
will
end
up
on
ballots
in
March
for
folks
to
consider
if
people
are
interested
in
it
there's
a
website.
That's
been
put
up.
That
has
multiple
translations
as
well.
If
folks
want
information
on
frequently
asked
questions,
it's
burlingtonvt.gov
slash
all
Resident
voting,
so
I
would
encourage
folks
to
check
that
out.
I
There
is
a
matter
before
the
charter
change
committee
that
would
extend
rank
Choice
voting
to
all
elections
in
the
city,
including
the
mayoral
election
voters
previously
approved
extending
rank
Choice
voting
to
city
council
elections.
We
actually
have
a
special
City
Council
election
coming
up
in
the
East
District
on
December
6th,
and
there
are
three
candidates
in
that
race,
so
we
will
have
our
first
crack
at
ranked
Choice
voting
at
least
voters
in
the
East
District,
which
is
wards.
One
and
eight
will
have
their
first
crack
at
ranked
Choice
voting
in
that
special
election.
I
I
Together
we're
reaching
a
point
where
the
city
council
is
going
to
have
to
sort
of
decide
on
a
map
that
shifts
our
Ward
boundaries
to
put
it
before
the
council.
If
folks
are
interested,
there
is
a
working
session
on
this
issue
scheduled
for
I,
believe
6
p.m.
At
the
city
council
meeting
on
October
24th,
there
should
be
some
maps
posted
if
folks
want
to
take
a
look
at
different
versions.
There's
a
redistricting
website
as
well.
I
That's
set
up
on
the
city's
website
that
has
a
number
of
different
maps
and
would
be
interested
to
hear
from
folks
about
any
feedback
they
have
on
redistricting.
For
the
the
ward
boundaries
mind
you,
this
is
different
from
the
redistricting
that
was
done
for
house
and
Senate
districts.
Already,
these
are
for
our
local
elections
for
city
council,
School
Commissioners,
as
well
as
Ward,
clerks
and
inspectors
of
election,
and
then
I
just
have
one
other
thing.
I
That
I
want
to
note,
which
is
that
at
our
meeting
on
October
24th
it
it's
anticipated
that
the
council
will
be
asked
to
consider.
Well,
I,
don't
know
if
it
happened
on
the
24th
or
if
there
will
be
a
special
meeting
actually
on
it
in
the
next
couple
weeks,
but
the
local
Partners,
who
have
taken
over
the
area
of
downtown
that
has
has
come
to
be
called.
I
The
pit
now
have
come
forward
with
a
real
plan,
in
my
opinion,
to
really
get
the
ball
rolling
on
this
project
and
we
anticipate
as
a
council
whether
it
be
on
our
meeting
on
the
24th
or
again.
There
may
be
a
special
meeting
after
that
focused
specifically
on
this
issue
that
we're
finally
going
to
see
some
additional
plans
on
moving
the
city
place.
Project
forward,
400
additional
housing
units,
including
nearly
100
permanently
affordable
housing
units,
are
part
of
the
plan.
I
That's
coming
before
of
the
council
I'm
very
excited
to
hear
these
developments
and
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
get
moving
on
that
sooner
than
later.
So
a
lot
packed
in
there
would
be
happy
to
hear
from
folks
I
don't
know
if
we
have
any
time
for
questions
now
Andy,
but
if
not
we'll
be
happy
to
take
questions
or
hear
from
Folks
by
email
or
phone.
A
A
All
right,
thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
update.
I
know
we.
We
could
probably
spend
a
whole
meeting
on
city
council
items
just
because
there's
so
much
on
your
plate
all
the
time,
but
please
contact
Ben
and
Joan
with
with
questions
and
perhaps
solutions
for
things
like
the
problem
of
the
parks.
A
J
Yes
and
actually
Mariah
won't
be
able
to
join
us
tonight.
So
it's
just
me
yeah.
Thank
you.
So
much
and
thanks
for
having
me
I'll,
try
to
not
take
up
too
much
of
your
valuable
time
and
I
can
assure
you
just
as
a
Burlington
resident,
we're
having
all
the
same
conversations
on
the
north
side
of
the
city
that
you're
all
having
tonight
so
I
think
it's
apropos
that
I
am
presenting
with
you
tonight.
A
J
And
let
me
okay
and
you
should
all
be
able
to
see
that
great
thanks
Joe
for
the
thumbs
up,
so
my
name
is
Evan
Litwin
I
use
he
him
pronouns
and
I'm.
The
communications
director
for
the
Burlington
partnership
for
a
healthy
Community,
so
we're
Burlington's
substance
misuse
prevention
Coalition.
We
represent
many
partners
working
together
on
strategies
to
reduce
the
causes
and
consequences
of
substance,
use
and
misuse
in
Burlington,
and
there
are
a
variety
of
strategies
that
we
are
working.
J
So
the
reason
why
this
is
so
important
for
us
is
that
we
know
that
90
of
people
who
develop
a
substance,
use
disorder,
started
using
substances
for
the
age
of
18.,
and
so
addiction
or
substance
use
disorder
really
is
an
adolescent
disease.
So,
the
more
that
we
create
environments
that
normalize
non-use
and
support
kids
to
remain
substance
free,
while
their
brains
are
developing
the
better
outcomes
they
in
the
community
will
have,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
data
to
help
us
understand.
Substance
use
issues
for
Youth
and
adults
in
Burlington.
J
J
But
in
recent
years
cannabis
has
increased
to
match
alcohol
use
rates
and
so
in
2015.
The
use
youth
risk.
Behavior
survey,
which
is
administered
all
throughout
the
state,
started
tracking
the
use
of
electronic
vapor
products
or
EVPs,
and
you
can
see
here
in
the
purple
line
that
there
was
a
drastic
increase
in
the
use
of
those
products
from
2017
to
2019,
and
so
local
kids
in
the
middle
school
and
high
school
took
the
2021
survey
last
fall
and
so
we're
just
waiting
on
that
data.
J
So
what
can
we
do?
So?
What
can
help
prevent?
And,
Delay
use
for
kids
and
support
responsible
use
for
adults
is
to
make
healthy
choices
the
easy
choices.
So
we
know
that
kids
are
heavily
impacted
by
what
choices
the
adults
in
the
community
are
normalizing.
So
it's
just
as
important
to
talk
about
supporting
adults,
particularly
adults
in
recovery
or
trying
to
maintain
a
substance-free
lifestyle,
and
now,
with
that
framing
I,
wanted
to
share
with
you
the
resource
we
developed
for
Burlington.
J
So
in
fall
and
winter
of
2018,
we
completed
an
assessment
of
all
alcohol
and
tobacco
retailers
in
Burlington
and
staff
Youth
and
adult
volunteers,
and
the
Vermont
Department
of
Health
went
to
each
of
the
stores
in
Burlington
and
tracked
things
like
product
placement,
advertising
location
of
the
advertising
like
is
it
under
three
feet?
Is
it
on
the
outside
of
the
building
and
we
compiled
all
that
data
from
the
Audits
and
used
it
to
create
maps
and
to
look
at
geographically
the
impact
of
retail
outlets
within
an
area?
J
J
A
youth
center,
and
then
we
also
put
it
into
an
interactive
online
tool
with
maps
of
this
data
and
we
overlaid
it
with
Census
Data,
showing
things
like
poverty
rates
and
things
like
location
of
schools,
so
that
neighborhoods
can
help.
You
know
in
the
overall
Community
can
help
with
the
impact
of
tobacco,
alcohol
and
cannabis
in
their
area
and
increase
kind
of
those
discussions.
J
B
J
J
You
can
find
it
on
our
burlingtonpartnership.org
website.
We
also
have
a
a
shortcut
and
I'll
share
that
with
with
you
all
this
evening
as
well.
So
I
realize
this
is
a
lot
of
information
to
take
in
some
kind
of
trying
to
jump
ahead
for
you.
So
all
so,
I
already
said
that
all
the
images
that
you
saw
were
taken
by
local
youth,
but
here
are
the
root
causes
of
Youth
substance,
misuse
and
kind
of
the
strategies
to
prevention
and
initiation
right
here
and
I'm
happy
to
share
this
presentation
as
well.
J
So,
while
in
our
community,
we
only
currently
have
data
on
the
impact
of
tobacco
and
alcohol
outlets
and
promotion,
there
is
a
growing
body
of
research
from
the
state
from
the
states
that
commercialized
cannabis
use
in
the
last
decade
that
cannabis,
advertising
and
exposure
is
having
the
same
impact
on
kids.
So
kids
are
much
more
heavily
impacted
by
advertising
than
adults,
and
the
research
is
consistently
demonstrating
that
for
us.
J
J
G
B
J
Well,
I
think
that
this
is
really
on
this
slide
to
leave
you
with
that
folks
kind
of
consider
that,
essentially,
you
know
to
keep
an
eye
on
the
community
and
what
things
can
be
done
at
the
community
level.
So
we
can
look
at
areas
to
identify
populations
that
are
bearing
kind
of
the
brunt
of
the
impact
using
this
map
on
advertising
and
promotion.
J
J
As
I
said
the
easy
choices,
so
we
do
have
recommendations,
a
list
of
recommendations
on
the
website
as
well,
and
we're
always
looking
for
folks
who
are
passionate
about
this.
This
particular
area
to
join
our
healthy
BTV
work
group
and
hopefully
I
stayed
in
time,
even
though
I
had
to
bounce
around
and
had
a
little
technical
pickup
there
and
I
wanted
to
leave
time
for
any
questions
that
folks
might
have
so
I'm
going
to
stop
screen
sharing.
J
A
F
J
F
Okay,
anyone,
no
it's,
probably
not
it's
pretty
on
the
surface,
so
I
wondered
if
Vermont
had
done
anything
to
restrict
the
advertising
so
far,
that's
what
I
was
that's.
All
I
was
really
going
to
ask
if
they
have
any.
You
know
because
alcohol
advertising
has
been
prevalent
for
so
long,
and
you
know
you
see
I'd
like
a
picture
of
those
kind
of
flashy
ads,
and
you
know
luckily
I
don't
feel
like.
We
have
a
lot
of
that
with
the
breweries
that
we
have
in
Ward
five.
Of
course
we
have
some
stores.
F
We
don't
have
very
many
convenience
stores
that
I
can
think
of
off
the
top
of
my
head.
So
you
know
that's
at
a
lower
level,
but
compared
to
downtown,
but
but
yeah
that
I
don't
know
what
will
happen
as
these
start
getting
going
like
if
they're
gonna
have
signs
out
on
their
windows
or
out
front
or
whatever.
J
So,
in
my
limited
understanding,
certainly
there
are
other
folks
who
are
are
better
educated
on
this
topic.
I
can
say
that
a
lot
of
this
will
be
protected
by
kind
of
corporate
free
speech,
and
so
you
won't
necessarily
be
able
to
Target
one
specific
industry,
and
if
you're
going
to
consider
policy
about
advertising,
you
may
not
be
able
to
consider
it
just
for
cannabis.
You
might
have
to
consider
it
for
all
advertising,
for
example,
of
adult
products
right.
J
So,
to
my
knowledge,
no
there
hasn't
been
anything
at
the
state
level
to
sort
of
limit
that.
But
communities
can
certainly
think
about
that
through
you
know,
how
do
we
want
signage
to
look?
How
do
we
want
density
to
look?
How
do
we
want
zoning
to
look
in
our
communities,
and
so
we
definitely
encourage
folks
to
think
about.
J
What
yeah
that's
pretty
specific
to
school
properties?
Exactly
so
in
your
case,
in
the
south
end,
I
think.
The
reason
that
the
site
at
700
Pine
was
not
a
problem
was
because
I
think
it
was
like
you
know:
2
000
feet
or
so
2100
feet
from
the
school
property
rather
than
that
500
foot
buffer
generally.
A
lot
of
the
Sciences
recommends
a
larger
buffer,
but
I
don't
believe
that
the
state
has
opted
for
to
be
able
to
expand
that
buffer.
J
J
A
J
A
K
L
L
So
we
wanted
to
just
give
you
a
brief
overview.
There's
been
some
activity
on
the
property
you
guys
may
have
seen
so
we're
excited
with
the
slow
progress
we're
making
and
mostly
wanted
to
just
open
it
up
for
questions
to
see
if
there's
anyone
that
just
wanted
to
express
their
enthusiasm
or
their
concerns
or
just
had
general
questions,
so
I
know
who
doesn't
introduce
yourselves.
M
N
L
So,
just
to
kind
of
get
us
all
on
the
same
page.
This
is
a
great
map
that
really
clarifies
this
area
because
there's
some
it's
it's
quite
confusing
the
different
Parcels
so
where
the
part
that
we're
going
to
be
developing
that
we're,
under
agreement
with
with
Rick
Davis
to
buy,
is
453
Pine,
where
it
says
private,
future
silts
and
then
also
501
Pine,
which
says
private
right
below
that,
and
then
also
the
two
Parcels
that
are
the
lake
view
right
along
the
bike
path
that
say:
private,
zero,
Pine,
private,
zero
time.
L
L
So
that's
what
we're
talking
about
tonight
and
we're
really
excited
to
share
with
the
neighborhood
that
we're
working
with
the
city
closer
to
the
city
and
the
Parks
Department,
to
put
501
and
these
other
Lots
into
conservation
and
to
create
a
proposed
Natural
Area
for
Burlington.
So
it'll
be
a
21-acre
natural
area
that
will
Encompass
the
loved
Barge
Canal,
and
this
really
wild
area
that
has
previously
technically
been
only
well.
L
It
has
technically
only
been
accessible
through
private
property,
so
the
city
owns
that
the
largest
parcel
there
in
the
middle
they've
owned
that
for
a
very
long
time
they
bought
it
originally
to
build
the
connector
there.
So
that
has
been
sort
of
landlocked
with
these
two
kind
of
parcels
to
the
east.
L
L
So
there's
the
bath
house
on
the
left,
the
bowling
alley
on
the
middle
and
there's
a
small
commercial
building
that
was
sort
of
was
part
of
the
bowling
alley
we
kind
of
got,
but
it
got
lobbed
off
into
its
own
Standalone.
That
will
be
possibly
offices
or
retail
or
something
else
we're
still
figuring
that
out.
L
So
this
is
another
zoomed
in
version,
so
you'll
see
that
the
entrance
to
the
main
area
will
be
sort
of
across.
So
if
it's
the
multex
entrance
so
they're
going
to
be
when
they
do
the
connector
they'll
be
we'll
be
realigning
that
their
city
will
be
realigning
the
multex
entrance
with
Howard,
because
it's
a
bit
of
an
awkward
intersection
there.
So
I
think
that
will
be
very
beneficial.
We
have
105
parking
areas
parking
spots
allocated
in
this
development
project.
L
So
we're
we
feel
like
it
is
a
light
touch
in
terms
of
the
development
compared
to
a
lot
of
the
projects
that
have
been
proposed
there
in
the
past,
so
I'm
happy
to
go
back
to
those
slides.
If
there's
questions
but
just
to
show
you.
This
was
the
the
drawings
that
we
released
of
the
bath
house
project
a
while
ago,
so
to
kind
of
give
an
idea
and
a
rendering.
So
this
is
from
the
view
from
Pine.
Street
kind
of
dealer.com
would
be
right
behind
you.
L
So
here's
a
bit
of
a
view
of
the
back
side
of
the
buildings,
there'll
be
saunas
and
steam
rooms,
hot
pools,
cold,
plunges
a
lot
of
relaxation
spaces
a
lot
of
green
spaces
and
this
much
green
roof
and
green
Mounds
on
either
side
of
the
building.
As
we
as
we
can.
So
we
we
hope
to
stay
with
the
aesthetic
of
kind
of
the
south
end
and
also
bring
a
lot
of
plants
and
Botanicals
to
the
space.
L
So
this
is
a
Brownfield
site,
and
so
the
453
is
a
Brownfield
so
that
that
that's
where
we
talked
about
before
that's
going
to
be
developed,
the
rest
of
that
Conservation
Area
is
all
a
super
fund
site.
So
the
only
you
know
really
developable
ball
I
mean
you
can
develop
super
funds,
I
think
people,
do
it
all
the
time.
But
the
only
thing-
that's
really
you
know
ready
to
be
developed
is
the
ground
field
area
and
there
is
federal
and
state
funding
to
do
that.
L
Remediation
project,
and
so
we
have
an
amazing
team
of
Engineers
right
now
doing
a
lot
of
testing
and
really
building
out
a
plan
for
remediation.
So,
in
terms
of
the
timeline
and
time
frame,
we're
going
to
spend
so
you've
seen,
there's
some
equipment
on
the
site
right
now:
they're
taking
they're,
doing
borings
they're,
taking
soil
samples
and
testing
those
testing
the
soils
to
see
what
kind
of
Foundations
we
should
be
looking
at
and
to
make
sure
that
we
will
not
have
any
negative
impact
on
the
surrounding
areas
so
that
work
is
undergoing.
L
A
L
L
It
is
a
complex
project.
We
are
really
dedicated
to
having
a
net
positive
effect
on
the
neighborhood
on
the
community
and
really
see
these
both
as
wonderful
Community,
Gathering
spaces
and
an
opportunity
to
work
with
the
local
neighborhood
and
the
City
of
Burlington
to
create
this
beautiful
and
the
folks
at
the
first
of
the
offense,
the
British
Canal,
to
create
a
more
access
to
this
proposed
Natural,
Area,
so
I
think
that's
all
I'll
see
for
now.
L
M
So
the
the
bowl
yeah,
you
said
it
all
the
bowling
alley.
Sort
of
in
a
nutshell,
is
it's
about
a
15
000
square
foot.
Building
you
saw
it
on
one
of
the
slides.
It's
a
boutique
bowling
alley,
which
means
it's
not
a
suburban
bowling
alley
with
36
Lanes.
It's
got
right
now.
The
plan
has
10
traditional
Lanes
of
bowling
and
eight
Lanes
of
duck
and
bowling
Duckpin
is
short
form
bowling.
So
the
lanes
are
about
a
third
of
the
length.
M
The
balls
are
a
little
smaller.
They
don't
have
holes
in
them.
You
Palm
them
and
it's
a
three
ball
game.
So,
each
time
you
bowl
you
bowl
three
balls,
it's
an
old
traditional
form
of
bowling
that
came
out
of
New
England.
It's
mostly
gone
away
over
the
years.
It's
now
having
a
Resurgence
in
other
parts
of
the
country.
So
it's
it's
nice
because
it
doesn't
take
up
as
much
space,
but
it's
also
very
fun
and
very
family
friendly.
M
M
There'll
be
a
community
space
up
there,
that'll
be
a
private
event.
Space
and,
like
jovial,
said,
there's
a
there's
a
building
there
to
the
north.
That's
about
a
4
000
right
now,
designed
about
a
four
thousand
square
foot
building
one
story
that
will
either
be
rented
as
a
single
unit
or
maybe
subdivided
into
two
units,
and
you
know
it
could
be
an
art
gallery
or
you
know
some
type
of
retailer
like
jovial
mentioned.
N
F
L
K
L
So
for
my
business,
certainly
the
local
community
I
mean
that
is
that's
going
to
be.
That's
really
what's
closest
to
my
heart
for
sure,
but
to
build
this
level
of
a
facility,
you
need
the
tourists
and
we're
I
mean
that
was
the
market
research.
We
did
extensive
market
research
and
we're
a
small
town,
but
we
have
millions
and
millions
millions
of
visitors
and
that's
how
our
breweries
survive
and
that's
how
Church
Street
thrives.
So
we
will
be
attracting
both
tourists
and
the
local
community,
and
you
know
it's
a
spine.
L
Balancing
Act
I
wanted
to
be
like
this
local
community
bath
house,
but
at
the
same
time
we
want
to
really
welcome
in
folks
and
build
it
to
this
larger
level
that
we
can
accommodate
both
the
local
community
and
these
books
from
out
of
town.
So
lots
of
of
research,
market
research,
analysis
and
working
with
you
know
Consultants,
especially
the
folks
in
Canada
there's
52
of
these
Nordic
bath
houses.
They
call
them
Spas
up
there
a
little
bit
of
a
different
taster
version.
L
You
know
there's
three
in
Downtown
Montreal,
there's
two
in
downtown
Quebec
City
and
then
there's
lots
around
the
ski
areas,
so
they
are
thriving
and
it's
a
big
driver
of
tourists.
So
we
feel
really
confident
with
this
this
proposal.
It's
a
150
person
occupancy.
So
it's
the
max
occupancy
that
you
can
have
in
the
facility
at
what
time
so
yeah.
Hopefully
that
answers
your
question.
M
On
the
Bowling
side,
it's
predominantly
going
to
be
to
the
local
market,
so
we
did
a
market
study.
The
market
is
underserved
for
Lanes
Champlain
Lanes
was
down
Route
7
and
it
is
since
closed.
So
the
only
lanes
that
are
in
the
market
still
are
the
ones
out
in
Colchester
spare
time
and
then
there's
a
small
boutique
out
in
Stow,
Stow
bowl
and
other
than
that
there
aren't
any
other
lanes
demographically
speaking
bowling
is
multi-generational,
you
know.
So
it's
it's!
It's
kids,
it's
teenagers!
M
It's
you
know
Gen
X,
gen,
Z,
Millennials,
all
the
way
up
to
you
know
the
boomer
generation.
So
that's
one
of
the
things.
That's
really
compelling
about
it
as
a
concept.
Is
it
really
appeals
to
everybody?
It's
one
of
the
most
affordable
forms
of
entertainment
out
there,
a
game
of
bowling
costs
six
dollars.
So
you
know-
and
it's
also
a
weatherproof
activity
here
in
Vermont,
which
you
know
I
I
live
a
couple
blocks
from
here.
M
So
I
live
in
this
Ward
and
there's
just
not
a
lot
to
do
when
the
weather
turns
you
know.
So
there's
not
a
lot
of
indoor
activities
and
I
have
a
five-year-old,
and
so
it's
we're
looking
for
another
activity
that
you
can
do
sort
of
year
round
and
with
the
way
we're
trying
to
think
about
the
design
of
it
is
you
know,
bowling
is
typically
you
know
it.
It
dies
down
in
the
summer.
M
You
know
particularly
around
here
when
everyone
moves
Outdoors
to
outdoor
activities,
and
so
that's
why
the
restaurant
component
on
the
top
that
obviously
Services
the
bowling
alleys
down
below,
will
also
help
balance.
You
know
the
p
l
the
the
economic
equation
so
that
way
we
can
have
some
activity
there
during
the
summer,
when
bowling
is
probably
going
to
subside
a
little
bit,
because
everyone's
Focus
will
probably
be
next
door
over
there.
M
Think
that
was
a
lease,
so
you
I
don't
think
it
closed
because
of
Economics
reasons.
I
think
it
closed
because
there
was
a
their
release
was
up.
That's
my
understanding.
Are
we?
We
hired
a
market
analysis
company
out
of
California
to
do
a
deep
dive
sort
of
the
same
way.
Jovial
did
with
the
bath
house
to
take
a
look,
and
they
said
yeah.
The
market
is
underserved
for
Lanes,
okay,
you're.
M
For
the
for
the
bowling
alley,
it'll
depend
on
what
you
opt
into
it's
like
I
said.
A
game
is
about
six
dollars
a
person.
So
if
it's
a
family
of
four
you
know,
that's
24
bucks
and
shoe
rentals,
and
then
you
know
it
depends
on.
You
know
we're
hoping
once
people
get
in
there
they're
having
a
little
bit
to
eat
they're
having
a
little
bit
of
drink.
You
know,
so
that's
that's
where
the
margin
is
so
it'll
just
depend
on
whether
people
come
hungry
or
not.
M
For
us,
but
you
know
the
barrier
entry
is
very
low
to
get
in
in
terms
of
the
cost
and
there's
going
to
be
stuff
out
like
there's
it's
hard
to
tell
on
this
map,
but
there's
sort
of
a
back
patio
that
we're
imagining
that's
on
the
west
side.
Where
there'll
be.
You
know
some
long
games
like
giant
Jenga
or
you
know
some
Bocce
and
stuff
like
that,
that
you
know
people
can
just
kind
of
do
and
hang
out.
L
So
we
don't,
you
know,
still
working
on
our
pricing
model
we're
trying
to
figure
out
if
we're
going
to
have.
So
if
you're,
you
know
Friday
night
and
you're
out
of
town,
it
will
be
more
expensive
if
you're,
a
local
and
it's
a
Monday
it'll
be
cheaper.
So
we're
going
to
start
trying
to
figure
out
our
kind
of
more
algorithm
pricing
based
on
seasonality
based
on
how
busy
it's
going
to
be
so
we're
still
trying
to
kind
of
work
that
out,
but
we're
dedicated
to
serving
the
local
community.
L
And
then
we
need
to
make
our
you
know
our
balance
sheet
work.
Also,
so
I
can't
I
don't
have
a
number
for
for
a
family
of
say
four
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
we
will
definitely
be
working
on
that
in
the
next
six
months.
Nine
months
really
trying
to
figure
out
the
right
way
to
slice,
even
slice
it
and
dice
it
in
a
lot
of
ways
like
memberships
or
you
know,
discounts
on
certain
times
or
you
know,
and
then
it's
like
how
local
is
is
it
to
be
get
the
local
discount
like?
L
A
L
So
a
lot
of
people
have
asked
we
we
have
a
community
survey
up
and
a
lot
of
people
have
taken
it's
so
great
to
get
that
feedback
and
a
lot
of
people
are
like
I
want
a
woman's
night
or
I
want
this
Affiliated
group
to
come
in
and
have
a
night,
and
so
we
have
to
figure
out.
Are
we
doing
that?
Are
we
not?
You
know
if
you
I
travel
to
look
at
a
lot
of
different
facilities
and
a
lot
of
them
have
you
know
Monday
night?
Is
that
Susan's?
L
A
L
L
L
G
I
live
on
Maple
Street,
thanks
for
coming
I'm
curious
I've
been
to
a
bath
house
before
it
was
lovely
that
was
before
now
I'm
wondering
about
the
future
viability
of
an
indoor
steamy
business
in
the
current
ERA
and
I.
You
know,
I
know
that
there's
been
some
stated
intent
to
serve
the
local
community,
but
this
just
sounds
like
a
playground
for
rich
people
and
Burlington
is
already
unaffordable.
G
L
I'm
gonna
try
to
go
backwards,
so
we're
looking
at
geothermals
right
now,
because
we
would
love
we're.
Definitely
considering
that
energy
piece
is
really-
and
this
is
a
bit
of
an
energy
intensive
building
or
the
our
project.
So
we're
really
looking
at
it
closely,
so
we're
really
hoping
for
geothermal,
but
we're
not
sure
if
it's
going
to
work
or
if
it's
permitted
with
all
the
complexities
of
the
site.
L
The
beginning
question
definitely
I
hear
you,
and
this
should
be
something
that
should
be
accessible
and
affordable
and
I
hope
that
it's
I
would
be
really
heartbroken
if
it
just
came
out
to
be
a
playground
for
rich
people,
so
that
it's
not
the
intention,
but
we
certainly
need
people
to
come
and
pay
top
price
on
a
Friday
during
you
know
Christmas.
So
there's
that's
the
kind
of
the
juggle
and
the
dynamic,
but
we've
gotten
lots
of
requests
to
look
like
please
we're
so
excited
to
keep
it
affordable.
L
N
L
This
time
oh
yeah
yeah,
the
business
model
yeah
everything's
outside
so,
and
so
that
that,
when
you
see
when
you
see
the
I
think
this
is
most
zoomed
in
yeah.
So
you
do
you
check
into
the
I,
didn't
bring
a
floor
plan
because
we're
working
on
it
and
I
didn't
want
to
then
update
it
in
a
few
weeks
here.
But
you
you
go
inside
you
check
into
the
lobby
and
then
you,
basically
you
go
outside.
So
all
the
pools
are
all
outside
the
hot.
L
L
So
I
think
that
it's
actually
great
on
business
for
them
yeah
and
the
lake.
So
yeah
there
is
a
it's
a
I
mean
I
would
not
want
to
develop
this
site
if
it
was
going
to
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
lake
I
drink
I
live
in
tier
two,
when
I
drink
out
of
the
lake
and
I
would
be.
You
know
beside
myself
if
something
happened,
so
it's
above
my
pay
grade
and
that's
why
we
have
an
amazing
team
of
Engineers
and
I'll.
Give
you
my
word
that
will
only
develop
the
site.
L
If
we
have
a
really,
you
know
good
way
to
do
it.
That's
really
a
net
positive
I
didn't
really
understand.
I
didn't
know
what
a
Brownfield
was
before
I
started
this
and
now
I
realize
that
we
have
a
lot
of
brownfields
in
Burlington
and
that
really,
when
you
develop
a
Brownfield,
you're
saving
a
Greenfield.
You
know
it's
about
more
dense
development,
so
it's
actually
I
feel
like
there's.
There's
some
responsibility
to
come
in
and
to
repair
kind
of
our
abandoned.
L
You
know,
lands
that
have
been
contaminated,
so
I
feel
like
it's
actually,
this
sort
of
net
positive
and
we're
engaging
with
these
dirty
soils
and
really
trying
to
turn
it
into
something.
Better,
so
that's
I,
there's
we
can
get
more
into
details,
but
I'll
have
to
hand
it
over
to
somebody
else,
but
I
will
certainly
be
back
and
we'll
have
more
deeper
discussions
about
it.
Great
thanks.
Thank
you.
Questions
I
appreciate
it.
You.
L
Yeah
so
great
question:
we
are
really
hoping
that
we
are
going
to
be
leaving
most
of
those
dirty
soils
in
place
as
much
as
possible,
so
it's
going
to
depend
on
the
kind
of
foundation
that
we're
able
to
build.
So
that
is
our
goal.
Also
that
we're
able
to
kind
of
you
know
cap
it
in
a
way
of
hose
to
truck
them
off
site.
L
Unfortunately,
it's
not
in
my
control
of
what
happens.
It's
really
going
to
be
the
engineering
team,
that's
going
to
determine,
what's
going
to
be
best
for
the
health
of
the
land
around
it
and
the
lake
and
the
best
way
that
they
can
build.
So
we're
going
to
be
determining
that
in
the
coming
months
and
and
there'll
be
a
lot
of
public
discussion
about
what's
happening
there,
so
it
is
unfolding,
but
we
at
this
point
we
don't
know.
P
Maybe
you
could
say
a
little
bit
more
about
the
what
the
governing
bodies
consider
remediation.
You
said
leaving
the
soil
there,
but
you
also
mentioned
a
cap.
Will
that
soil
be
healed
there?
Will
it
be
better
off
than
it
is
now?
Will
the
52
contaminants
of
concern
actually
be
healed,
be
dealt
with
in
a
way
that
is
healthy
for
the
environment.
L
This
is
not
my
area
of
expertise
and
I'm
happy
to
have
one
of
the
engineers
speak
to
it
that
I
came
equipped
with
because
I
can't
speak
to
it
very
eloquently.
So
but
I
appreciate
the
question
and
all
the
work
that
you're
doing
so.
Would
you
like
one
of
them
to
speak
to
it,
or
would
you
like
to
have
it
addressed
next
time?
I.
P
C
O
So
there's
a
we
are
at
the
beginning
of
a
process
to
evaluate
remedial
Alternatives,
and
so
at
this
point
many
things
are
on
the
table
that
we
are
considering
for
cleaning
up
the
site.
Then
that
ranges
from
a
truck
and
Hall
approach,
digging
Hall
approach
to
a
cap
and
leave
it.
There
are
clearly
some
non-contaminant
issues
with
the
site
that
physically
restrict
how
building
occurs
at
the
site.
O
Specifically,
the
bearing
strata
below
the
site
are
not
super
easy
to
build
on,
and
we
have
to
consider
that
as
well
and
when
you
layer
that,
with
some
of
the
other
issues
related
to
the
super
fund,
we
have
ourselves
a
real
tricky
Wicket
to
try
to
get
through
when
it
comes
to
developing
the
site.
So
capping
we
did
mention
the
word
cap.
Captain
Vermont
also
is
the
acronym
for
corrective
action
plan.
So
that
was
the
reference
that
jovial
mentioned.
O
There
will
also
be
lowercase
cap
happening
at
the
site,
meaning
we'll
be
installing
engineered
barriers
as
they
were.
Our
our
goal
is
to
not
strictly
remediate
every
molecule
of
contaminant
on
the
site.
It
is
to
recuse
the
site
in
a
way
that
is
allows
for
that
to
occur
over
time,
but
doesn't
exactly
get
their
from
day
one.
So
we
do.
Our
approach
is
to
encourage
the
Redevelopment
in
a
sustainable
and
risk-free
or
risk
acceptable
way.