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From YouTube: What's Going On: Relations With Russia
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Host Sandy Baird is joined by Kurt Mehta and Eric Agnero to discuss relations with Russia. This episode includes a clip from Democracy Now of a speech that former President Kennedy gave on June 10, 1963.
6/13/2023
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A
Hi,
my
name
is
Sandy
Baird
and
we're
here
with
what's
happening
to
discuss
the
issues
of
the
of
today.
We
are
going
to
focus
today
on
Russia,
the
former
Soviet
Union
and
now
Russia,
where
the
United
States
appears
to
be
once
again
at
War,
perhaps
in
a
proxy
war
against
Russia.
Perhaps
many
people
feel
that
it's
a
war
to
save
Ukraine.
A
The
then
Soviet
Union
and
perhaps
perhaps
think
about
making
peace
with
that
other
superpower.
Well,
those
attitudes
have
now
changed
back
again
and
we
are
right
now
considering
a
war
for
regime
change,
perhaps
in
Russia.
So
we
will
show
you
this
little
excerpt
from
that
speech
from
June,
10
1963
and
then
have
a
discussion
about
that
after
that.
Take
thank
you.
B
Every
thoughtful
citizen
who
despairs
of
War
and
wishes
to
bring
peace
should
begin
by
looking
inward
by
examining
his
own
attitude
towards
the
possibilities
of
peace
towards
the
Soviet
Union,
towards
the
course
of
the
Cold
War
and
towards
freedom
and
peace.
Here
at
home,
first
examine
our
attitude
towards
peace
itself
too.
Many
of
us
think
it
is
impossible
too.
B
Many
think
it
is
unreal,
but
that
is
a
dangerous,
defeatist
belief
and
second,
let
us
re-examine
our
attitude
towards
the
Soviet
Union,
no
government
or
social
system
is
so
evil
that
its
people
must
be
considered
as
lacking.
In
virtue
As
Americans,
we
find
communism
profoundly
repugnant
as
a
negation
of
personal
freedom
and
dignity,
but
we
can
still
hail
the
Russian
people
for
their
many
achievements
in
Science
and
Space,
an
economic
and
Industrial
growth
in
culture
in
acts
of
courage
among
the
many
traits
the
peoples
of
our
two
countries
have
in
common.
B
None
is
stronger
than
our
mutual
abhorrents
of
War,
almost
unique
among
the
major
world
powers.
We
have
never
been
at
war
with
each
other,
and
no
nation
in
the
history
of
battle
ever
suffered
more
than
the
Soviet
Union
in
the
Second
World
War
at
least
20
million
lost
their
lives,
countless
millions
of
homes
and
Families
were
burned
or
sacked.
B
B
It
is
an
ironic
but
accurate
fact
that
the
two
strongest
powers
are
the
two
in
the
most
danger
of
devastation.
All
we
have
built
we
have
worked
for
would
be
destroyed
in
the
first
24
hours
and
even
in
the
Cold
War,
which
brings
burdens
and
dangers
to
so
many
countries,
including
this
nation's
closest
allies,
our
two
countries.
They
are
the
heaviest
burdens
for
we
are
both
devoting
massive
sums
of
money
to
weapons
that
could
be
better
devoted
to
combat
ignorance,
poverty
and
disease.
B
B
For,
in
the
final
analysis,
our
most
basic
common
link
is
that
we
all
inhabit
this
small
planet.
We
all
breathe
the
same
air,
we
all
cherish
our
children's
Futures
and
we
are
all
mortal
third.
Let
us
re-examine
our
attitude
towards
the
Cold
War,
remembering
we're
not
engaged
in
a
debate
seeking
to
pile
up
debating
points.
B
B
We
must
therefore
persevere
in
the
search
for
peace,
in
the
hope
that
constructive
changes
within
the
Communist
block
might
bring
Within
Reach
Solutions,
which
now
seem
Beyond
us.
We
must
conduct
our
Affairs
in
such
a
way
that
it
becomes
in
the
Communist
interests
to
agree
on
a
genuine
peace
and,
above
all,
while
defending
our
own
vital
interests.
B
A
A
C
Know
Kennedy
in
his
administration
and
it
seems
like
something
was
happening
behind
the
scenes
that
gave
President
Kennedy,
perhaps
a
wake-up
call.
If
you
listen
to
the
words
that
he
used
in
the
speech,
he
provides
some
more
specifics
in
his
speech,
the
Pax
Americana
speech
at
American
University
at
their
commencement
ceremonies
that
year.
But
the
sentiment
is
not
very
different
from
the
famous
speech
that
President
Eisenhower.
A
C
Right
he
left
off
right
talking
about
the
military
industrial
complex
and
then
a
speech
he
gave
earlier.
President
Eisenhower
called
the
cross
of
irons
speech
where
he
specifically
talked
about
how
much
wealth
in
this
country
was
going
to
be
contributed
towards
the
development
of
B-2
bombers
in
exchange
for
school
houses.
How
many
Eisenhower
Eisenhower.
C
As
a
cross
of
irons,
he
talked
about
the
cost
of
aircraft
carriers,
the
cost
of
ammunitions
in
exchange
for
the
building
of
hospitals
and
needed
areas
right
here
in
our
country
in
the
United
States.
So
he
talked
about
the
cost
of
war,
the
cost
of
preparation
for
War
and
who
know
who
knew
more.
You
know
than
the
Supreme
Allied
Commander
of
the
of
the
western
armies
that
invaded
to
fight
Nazi
Germany
in
Europe.
He
knew
the
cost
of
War
President
Kennedy
was
also
a
veteran,
but
Eisenhower
was
a
general.
C
Second,
world
war-
and
he
was
there-
you
know
when
our
soldiers,
as
well
as
soldiers
from
Britain
and
Canada
invaded
Normandy.
He
was
on
the
ship.
You
know
seeing
young
men
in
that
situation.
You
know
meet
their
meet
their
maker
on
that
beach
in
in
Normandy,
so
he
took
a
took
a
brave
stand
and
it
seems
like
in
the
1963
speech
that
Kennedy
gave
an
American
University.
C
Think
I
was
talking
about
the
cost,
the
physical
cost
of
blood
and
money
right
and
being
in
this
constant
state
of
War
following
the
second
world
war
and
Kennedy
talks
about
re-examining
our
attitudes
towards
the
Russian
people
and
the
Soviet
Union,
and
hopefully
you
know
proceeding
with
peace
on
Earth,
because
those
were
the
two
adversaries
of
note
at
that
time.
Right.
D
A
Eisenhower
so
much,
but
let
me
point
out
the
historical
difference
between
and
I
agree
with
you
about
Eisenhower,
but
you
got
to
remember
that
Eisenhower
spoke
at
a
time
when
the
Cold
War
was
beginning
I,
think
it
shocked
him
because
the
thing
I
found
so
moving
about
the
Kennedy
speech
is
that
he
remembered
that
we
were
allies
with
the
Soviet
Union
throughout
World
War
II.
How
many
Americans
remember
that
at
this
point
that
we
were
allies,
that
we
were
together
against
the
Nazis
and
that
the
Soviet
Union
paid
the
highest
price?
A
C
A
C
C
A
A
C
C
A
A
D
A
Yes,
but
we
did
that
as
Kurt
points
out,
we
always
did
it
the
leaders
I.
My
argument
is
that,
from
the
the
establishment
of
the
CIA
onward
that
the
leaders,
the
presidents
have
not
been
in
control
of
this
kind
of
secret
permanent
government,
that's
what
Eisenhower
was
warning
against
I
think
that's
what
Kennedy
was
saying
too
I.
Don't
think
that
the
president
of
the
United
States,
in
other
words,
has
complete
control
over
the
CIA
and
they
do
what
they
think
is
necessary.
Cia
Department
of.
A
The
National
Security
Council
yeah,
all
of
which
was
established
in
47
and
I,
think
the
presidents
began
to
be
aware
of
that
and
kind
of
warned
beginning
Truman
too
Truman
did
too
began
to,
even
though
he
was
the
one
who
initially
bombed
Japan
with
nuclear
weapons.
I
think
they
all
became
aware
that
their
power
wasn't
as
absolute
as
they
thought
and
I.
C
C
A
In
other
words
and
I,
but
I
think
all
three
presidents
became
aware
of
it
and
that's
why
they
cautioned
and
that's
what
he's
saying
we
have
to
have
it.
If
you
want
permanent
peace,
you
can't
have
these
endless
Wars
you
can't
because
they
have
a
life
of
their
own
and
and
for
instance,
that's
what
Eisenhower
was
talking
about.
Was
the
military
industrial
complex?
So
do
you
really
think
that
anybody?
You
know
if
you
talk
about
peace
now
in
the
Ukraine,
it's
almost
censored,
but.
C
C
Know
right,
the
Secretary
of
State.
Initially,
you
know,
gave
the
impression
to
the
North
Koreans
and
to
Stalin
that
the
United
States
would
not
have
objected
if
Northern
Korea
took
the
southern
Peninsula
over
and
then
we
changed
our
mind
and
style
actually
had
a
very
difficult
reaction
because
he
wasn't
expecting
the
United
States
to
actually
intervene
in
in
Korea
in
the
Korean
Peninsula.
C
Know
I
mean
my:
my
focus
is
on
Eisenhower
and
Kennedy.
So
though
these
speeches
and
these
stances
were
heroic
stances
at
that
time,
they
still
would
be
honestly.
Yes,
at
the
same
time,
you
know
Eisenhower
was
involved
in
regime
change.
You
know
in
Guatemala
art,
terrible
yeah
when
there
was
a
slight
socialist
tinge
that
the
Pres,
the
democratically
elected
president
of
Iran,
you
know
expressed
when
he
talked
about.
A
C
Know
sending
lots
of
troops
I,
think
it's
and,
of
course
the
you
know,
really
caustic
conversations
that
he
was
having
with
whether
with
Berlin
when
the
when
the
East
Germans
put
up
the
wall,
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
our
viewers
recognize
that,
though
these
were
heroic
stances.
These
presidents
were
also
engaged
in.
You
know:
saber
rattling,
I,
agree,
SSR,
I,.
A
D
During
the
Cold
War,
they
were
like
those
were
aligned
to
the
Western
powers
and
those
who
were
close
to
the
to
the
to
the
to
Russia
and
and
the
Soviet
Union
and
then
like
in
the
middle.
There
was
also
those
were
advocating
for
a
non-alignment
stand,
but
you
know
the
war
was
as
divided
as
it
was
today.
Maybe
with
less
players,
I
should
say
because
it
was
clearly
the
Russians
against
the
Americans
and
Western
world.
But
today
you
have
multiple,
you
know
poles
of
powers.
China
is
a
big
one.
D
A
D
C
C
Powers
Yeah!
No,
so
that's
why
I'm
saying
during
that
time?
Yeah
specifically,
you
know.
Historically,
you
know
the
everything
the
world's
always
ran
on
a
cycle.
You
know
wealth
and
poverty,
but
the
the
Russians,
the
Soviet
Union,
provided
a
a
economic
model
right.
That
was
more
for
people
that
were
poor
than
the
capitalist
model.
C
Required
a
significant
amount
of
cap
at
all
to
get
started
and
the
collectivized
farming
and
different
kinds
of
programs
that
the
USSR
had
were
more
palatable
for
Latin
America
and
for
Africa
and
for
Asia
than
you
know,
than
the
model
that
Western
Europe
and
the
United
States
had
because
of
the
amount
of
poverty
on
the
ground
in
those
countries.
So
that
was
a
a
very
positive
thing
for
many
countries
in
Latin
America
and
in
Africa.
A
A
A
A
D
Do
you
there's
always
been
a
state
of
belligerence,
and
you
know
it
looks
like
the
super.
The
Western
Powers
have
always
looked
for
an
enemy
when
it's
not
communism.
It's
like
terrorism
at
a
large
scale,
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
it's
just
to
justify.
You
know
having
the
military
complex
at
full.
You.
C
C
We
have
oceans
right,
we
have
oceans,
but
even
with
regardless
of
the
oceans,
you
know.
If
you
go
back
to
President
Monroe,
you
know
and
we're
gonna
go
back
to
you
know
the
early.
You
know
1800s
this
Monroe
Doctrine,
you
know
which
is
not
on
paper.
This
was
just
something
that
you
know
the
President
Monroe
at
the
time
you
know
had
published
or
talked
about
was
that
you
know
North
American,
South
America
are
essentially
ours,
yeah
they
are
our
regions
and
the
Caribbean
yeah.
So
Cuba
was
part
of
our
buffer
zone.
A
C
C
My
place,
but
my
point
was
you
know
that
yeah,
you
know
neither
one
of
the
two
superpowers
of
the
past
want
any
kind
of
vulnerability
in
the
form
of
militaries,
or
you
know,
weapons
of
mass
destruction
on
their
borders.
Why
would
you
right
right?
Well,
so
we
didn't
want
those
in
Cuba
the
the
Russians.
Don't
want
them
in
Ukraine
and.
A
C
We
were
engaged
in
the
NATO
and
the
United
States,
you
know
part
of
the
United
States
part
of
the
part
of
NATO
were
engaged
in
conducting
war
games
in
Ukraine.
Just
you
know,
prior
to
the
four
months
prior
to
the
Russian
invasion
of
Ukraine,
and
that
was
something
that
was
a
poke
in
the
eye
for
Russia.
A
C
C
C
C
C
D
C
D
D
C
Maybe
just
more
commercial
transactions
and
interactions,
it
didn't
happen,
it
didn't
happen
so
yeah.
It
didn't
happen.
Despite
the
fact
that
you
know
you
had
one
Republican
Administration
that
came
in
and
then
a
democratic
Administration
in
which
the
vice
president
is
the
of
you
know
under
Obama.
Is
the
current
president
and
there's
been
no
opening
none.
So
it
appears.
C
A
That
we
blockaded
Cuba
against
trade
with
the
world
against
getting
credit,
because
we
saw
we
not
me.
The
president
saw
that
Cuba
was
a
lying
itself
with
Russia,
it's
the
same
enemy
all
the
time,
it's
always
in
the
end
Russia,
which
the
reason
I
want
to
talk
that
about
this
is
that
that
is
a
view
that
is
very
unpopular.
If
you
begin
to
talk
about
reality
that
this
war
and
Biden
has
said
so
that
this
war
is
really
about
regime
change
in
Russia.
C
C
C
A
C
You
know
individuals
who
are
originally
from
chechnya
and
at
that
time
Russia
actually
had
their
eyes
on
these
two
young
men
that's
right,
living
outside
of
Boston
and
they
offered
intelligence
to
the
FBI.
The
United
States
FBI
about
these
two
kind
of
suspicious
Shady
characters
living
you
know
outside
of
Boston
and
who
were
you
know,
still
engaged
in
conversations
and
chatter,
with
extremists,
chechny
and.
C
A
C
A
A
A
Okay,
so
I
think
that
we
will
stop
today
to
not
to
talk
more
about
this.
What
we
think
what
I
think
anyway
is
a
proxy
war
against
Russia,
because
it
is
a
very
controversial
view.
I
would
guess-
and
we
might
very
well
talk
about
it
again
sometime
later,
when
this
war
does
nothing
but
continue.
I
think
right,
yeah
doesn't
seem
to
have
any
let
up
between
the.