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A
Hello
and
welcome
to
Pittsburgh
City
Council's
post
agenda
meeting
for
Wednesday
April
24th
2019.
My
name
is
Kim
Clark,
Baskin
and
I'm
your
deputy
city
clerk
with
us.
Today
we
have
our
sign
language
interpreter
Nick,
Miller.
The
following
is
an
agenda
item
to
be
discussed
at
the
request
of
Councilwoman
Deb
gross.
A
B
Hello
and
welcome
to
Pittsburgh
City
Council's
post
agenda
on
the
lorda
audit.
My
name
is
Debra
Krause
and
I
am
the
chair
of
land
use
and
Economic
Development
and
I
represent
district
7
and
I'm
here
today,
with
the
panel
to
help
us
explore
how
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
Awards
tax,
abatements
and
the
kind
of
new
policies
that
we
might
consider
and
what
our
previous
policies
have
been,
and
also
what
the
results
have
been
from
about.
10
12
years
now
of
tax
incentive
programs
in
the
city,
so
I'm
gonna
hand
it
over
to
our
panelists.
B
Do
we
have
I'm,
not
speaking
to
my
microphone?
Excuse
me,
members
or
listeners
at
home.
Do
we
have
any
specific
order?
We
didn't
discuss
that
before
we
got
on
air,
shall
we
open
with
the
city
controller
then,
because
he
has
just
released
late
last
year,
a
second
audit
of
the
last
10
to
12
years
of
abatements
controller
lamb
would.
C
You
like
to
introduce
yourself
controller
Michael
I
am
with
you
today,
and
so
let
me
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
where
we
fit
into
this
discussion.
Yes,
you
know,
we've
been
asked
for
the
last
couple
of
years
to
do
this.
Year-End
audit
on
on
the
abatement
programs-
and
we
are
gonna,
continue
to
do
that
every
year
and
grow
it
each
year.
You
know
we
want
to.
C
For
instance,
it's
hard
to
it's
hard
to
understand
a
10
year
abatement
when
you
have
no
record
of
when
the
abatement
actually
started
right,
and
so
just
basic
record-keeping
of
start
dates,
whether
it's
the
permit
date
or
whatever
kicks
in
that
that
abatement
period
and
and
the
length
of
those
the
the
simple
mathematics
of
of
what
an
abatement
should
be.
You
know
we
found
several
cases
where
some
people
were
getting
a
better
abatement
than
they
were
entitled
to.
C
We
saw
many
cases
where
people
weren't
getting
the
act
of
the
as
much
of
an
abatement
as
they
were
entitled
to,
so
just
that
simple
function
of
implementation
of
this
abatement
has
been
horrible
for
years,
and
so,
when
we
start
to
audit
what
is
the
impact
of
these
abatements
the
the
biggest
thing
that
our
office
is
well,
let's
begin
by
doing
it
right.
Ok,
let's,
let's
begin
by
actually
collecting
the
data
to
implement
these
programs
and
then
have
somebody
enforcing
the
abatement
through
the
life
of
the
abatement
and
then
ending
it
at
maturity.
C
That
sounds
simple,
but
when
you've
got
so
many
hands
in
the
pot
on
this
you've,
there's
a
role
here
for
PLI
there's
a
role
here
for
the
ura
there's
a
role
here
for
our
finance
department.
You
know
we've
got
to
come
to
an
understanding
of
what
the
abatement
is,
how
it's
calculated
when
it
starts
when
it
ends
and
and
and
implement
that
program,
regardless
of
what
the
policy
is.
C
Think
if
you
look
at
our
audit,
that's
that's
a
lot
of
what
we
focused
on
in
the
first
two
years,
those
kind
of
issues
we
wanted
to
go
further.
You
know
we
want
to
start
looking
at.
You
know
at
what
what
was
the
benefit
of
that
abatement?
We
want
to
be
able
to
look
back
and
say:
ok,
we
did
that
abatement.
Did
it
actually
achieve
the
stated
goal?
C
Whether
that
goal
was
a
was
a
residential
goal,
whether
that
goal
was
a
job
creation
goal
and
not
just
an
abatements,
but
any
of
these
incentive
programs
and
I
don't
think
we
do
a
good
enough
job
of
just
measuring
our
success
or
failure
of
programs.
Like
this
one,
so
I
think
we
have
to
put
a
some
added
burden
on
on
our
departments
and
on
the
URA
too,
to
keep
these
records
so
that
we
can
can
really
have
an
informed
look
back
as
to
whether
or
not
we
were
successful.
B
Just
recollect
with
you
for
a
minute
that,
if
it's,
how
you
recall
I,
believe
it
was
late
summer
of
2017
when
we
were
still
struggling
to
fund
the
Housing,
Opportunity
trust
fund
and
I
was
really
trying
to
understand
how
many
property
properties
would
be
coming
online,
coming
off
of
an
abatement
and
then
providing
new
revenue.
Yeah.
C
C
I
would
say
that
at
this
point
we
have
a
better
understanding
of
where
the
abatements
are,
even
though
it's
not
I
would
still
say
it's
not
complete,
I
mean,
but
we
have
a
much
better
understanding
and-
and
this
this
coincides
with
some
new
Gatsby
regulations
with
respect
to
the
city's
annual
financial
report,
where
we
have
to
start
valuing
abatement
and
incentive
programs.
So
it
did
coincide
with
that.
So
so
we're
doing
that
now
we
do
it
more
in
the
aggregate
than
in
you
know,
looking
at
individual
programs
like
this,
but
you
know
so.
C
We
do
now
have
sort
of
a
generally
accepted
accounting
idea
of
the
valuation
in
aggregate
of
our
Bateman
programs
and
when
we
produce
that
every
year
now
we'll
be
releasing
that
report
next
week.
So
so
we
are
doing
that,
but
this
kind
of
coincided
with
that
and
it
really
helped
us
to
get
the
URA
and
the
finance
department
to
focus
more
on
on
this
issue
and
and
as
I
said,
we,
what
we
learned
is
that
we're
not
doing
a
particularly
good
job
of
following
and
tracking.
These
are
payments.
B
B
Also
recalling
that
when
we
resolved
right
with
the
City
Council
resolution
to
have
you
create
at
least
an
evaluation
of
the
process,
but
also
kind
of
list
of
the
the
actual
properties
that
got
these
abatements,
we
saw
that
you
spoke
a
little
bit
about
the
kind
of
missing
data
like
there
were
some
places
that
missed
dates,
but
maybe
we
should
kind
of
help.
The
public
understand,
I,
think
kind
of
what
the
process
was
then
and
and
what
and
that
it
hasn't
changed.
B
Much
so,
in
my
less
expert
understanding
was
that
kind
of
a
developer
gets
all
the
approvals
that
we
all
see
in
public
process.
Right
council
votes,
our
Planning
Commission
votes
they
get
there.
Finally,
their
building
permit
they're
allowed
to
start
construction,
and
then
they
can
walk
over
from
one
desk
to
another
and
say
like
oh
I,
qualify
for
these
rate.
C
And
inspections
who
issue
permits
and
gives
you
sort
of
that
that
material
that
you
need
to
then
pursue
the
abatement
and
and
and
then
there's
the
URA,
is
kind
of
you
know
involved
as
a
safe
I'm,
going
to
call
them
housekeeping
detail
or
or
are,
but
they
they
basically
determine
the
availability
of
the
abatement
and
then,
of
course,
it's
up
to
finance
the
part.
Our
finance
department,
to
figure
out
the
impact
on
the
taxation
and
don't
forget
you've
got
you've,
got
County
assessment
in
that
mix
as
well.
C
So
it's
a
it's
a
complicated
kind
of
process,
but
and
at
each
step
there
were
various
mistakes
or
or
failures
of
data
collection,
and
so
it
made
it
difficult
for
us
to
really
have
a
clean
look.
I
can
tell
you
that
the
recommendations
that
we've
made
that
they
are.
Finally
you
know
they
are
actually
a
paying
attention
to
them,
and
so
so
moving
forward.
We're
gonna
have
a
much
better
picture
of
this.
But
up
until
now
it's
it's
been
that
kind
of
difficult
data
review.
When
you
don't
have
the
data
you
need
and.
B
So
we
now
have
a
list,
even
though
it
has
some
incomplete
data
because
of
the
city
on
the
city
side,
lack
of
having
gathered
that
information
and
we're
still
trying
to
fill
in
kind
of
what
happened
five
years
ago
or
six
years
ago
and
who's
where
and
with
what
start,
dates
and
I'm
concerned
that
that
data
still
after
two
years
of
talking
about
it,
some
of
it
is
still
missing
somewhere.
So
I
don't
understand.
Yeah.
C
B
C
C
Bank,
okay,
in
this
case
I,
don't
want
to
say
the
name
of
the
bank,
but
the
bank,
the
bank,
there
wasn't
a
payment
and
there
was
absolutely
no
follow
up
to
that
like
like
it
just
said:
no,
no,
okay,
it
just
didn't
happen.
So
this
we
had
to
do
with
it
with
an
incremental
finance
program
and-
and
we
just
questioned
that
we
continually
questioned
the
URA
and
and
the
bank
and
and
we're
never
really
given
a
satisfactory
answer
as
to
what
happened
there.
C
Now,
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
the
the
payment
was
made
in
the
following
year
and
and
and
the
and
we
in
and
the
end
that
the
maturity
we
we
got,
the
full
increment
we
were
supposed
to,
but
there
was
a
whole
year
period
where
no
payment
was
made
and
nobody
even
questioned
it.
So
that's
the
kind
of
thing,
that's
kind
of
problems
you
have
with
some
of
these
programs
they
that
they
just
sort
of
go
under
the
radar
and
there's
not
someone
just
responsible
for
making
sure
that
they
are
that
they're
properly
working.
B
And
I
again,
not
the
expert
here
so
correct
me
if
I
say
this
wrong
in
my
right
understanding
of
it
and
just
for
reminder
it.
How?
Because
I
get
this
question
a
lot,
you
know,
alerta'
or
a
tax
abatement,
means
that
let's
say
I
own
an
apartment
building
when
I
get
my
property
tax
bill.
It's
not
taxing
me
I'm!
On
the
current
actual
value
of
my
building.
B
It's
taxing
me
it'll,
lower
the
previous
level,
perhaps
of
the
value
before
I
built
the
building
or
before
I
upgraded,
the
building
and
so
I'm
paying
a
lower
property
tax
than
I
would
without
this
program
and
then
a
TIF
like
I've
built
a
big
development,
let's
say,
and
because
of
City
Council
voting
the
approval
on
it.
I
am
paying
the
tax,
but
my
tax
is
not
going
into
the
city
treasury.
My
tax
is
being
diverted
to
the
Urban
Redevelopment
Authority
and
they've
borrowed
against
it.
C
So,
in
that
case,
I'm
talking
about
that
is
exactly
right.
So
so
the
URA
is
making
a
payment
on
a
debt,
but
the
underlying
incremental
payment
isn't
there
to
pay
that
debt.
So
that
means
that
the
rest
of
us
are
paying
that
debt
right
I
mean
you
know,
so
it's
and
and
just
the
bookie
keeping
on
it
was
just
so
shoddy
both
on
the
part
of
the
bank
and
on
the
part
of
the
URA,
and
so
it's
and
when
you
know
people
ask
you:
why
is
it
important?
A
C
When
someone
is
not
paying
their
fair
share
of
what
they
owe,
that's
that's
a
burden
on
the
rest
of
us
right.
So
so
you
know
when
you
we've
already
got
the
issue
that
40%
of
our
property
is
exempt
from
taxation.
Now
you're
talking
about
another
chunk
of
property.
That
is
abated
in
some
way
and
even
on
that
some
people
are
getting
by
without
paying
their
fair
share.
So
it's
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
big
problem,
for
you
know
for
just
tax
fairness
and
for
the
burden
that
we
place
on
our
taxpayers
right.
C
I
mean
we
hear
a
lot
about.
You
know
how
much
the
city
does
and
how
much
other
people
in
the
business
community
and
they
and
they
people
who
live
outside
the
city
contribute
the
city.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
the
bulk
of
the
things
that
we
do
for
they
do
in
this
city
are
paid
for
by
the
people
who
live
here
and,
and
so
when
we
have
these
programs
that
that
aren't
working,
it's
just
putting
added
burden
on
them
right.
B
B
Now.
One
of
my
big
questions.
Obviously,
we've
talked
a
lot
about
affordable
housing
and
we've.
We
have
had
some
versions
of
Loida
amendment
or
new
lyrtle
legislation.
That
I
think
would
be
complementary
to
all
of
our
needs
and
goals
and
I'll
be
happy
to
hear
from
my
speakers
on
that,
but
then
I
think
another
question
that
comes
up
and
I
know
councilman,
Coghill
and
I
talk
about
this.
A
lot
is:
where
are
the
tools?
B
What
tools
in
all
of
the
toolboxes
Roy's
talking
about
toolboxes
can
help
us
preserve
and
promote
local
ownership
and
kind
of
small
owners
right
so
and
both
of
our
districts
certainly
a
lot
of
my
district.
We
talk
about
a
lot
there,
always
a
collapsing
roof
or
collapsing
sewer
and
a
hundred-year-old
property,
and
whether
that's
a
homeowner
or
small
property
owner
or
commercial
property
owner.
They
need
help,
and
this
is
a
public
policy
issue.
It's
not
one,
just
not
one.
Just
you
know
defective
house
or
defective
business.
B
C
C
Those
things
are
you
can
you
can
rely
on
the
on
the
private
developers
to
help
you
with
those
things
when
there's
a
booming
market,
but
when
you
got
neighborhoods
like
in
my
area
belts,
uver,
Allentown
Knoxville,
you
know
where
you
got
a
lot
of
people
who
are
just
trying
to
stay
in
their
home
and
what
are
we
doing
about
them?
How
are
we
helping
them?
You
know,
and
for
a
city
that
has
lost
more
than
half
its
population
over
the
last
50
years,
I
think
we
owe
it
to
the
people.
B
C
So
so
I,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
how
that
enters
into
this
discussion.
But
that's
that's
the
one
thing.
The
second
thing,
I
would
say,
is
I
get
concerned.
When
people
talk
about
incentive
programs
in
terms
of
geography,
saying
this
neighborhood
that
needs
it
in
this
neighborhood
doesn't
or
whatever,
because
it's
just
not
true,
even
in
our
even
in
the
booming
market
that
we
have
right
now
in
the
Strip
District,
we
got
a
lot
of
properties
down
there
that
are
former.
C
There
are
still
individual
properties
down
there
that
have
serious
environmental
problems
and
a
private
developers
not
going
to
touch
a
lot
of
that
unless
the
public
steps
in
and
whether
that
means
actual
cleanup
or
incentivizing
a
private
cleanup
I
think
you
got
to
keep
that
in
mind.
Just
you
can't
just
say
that
neighborhoods
too
good,
you
can't
do
programs
neither
anymore.
That's!
That's
that
can't
be
the
way
it
works.
Yeah
I
think
you
gotta
look
at
them
at
an
individual
basis.
That's
my
two
cents.
Thank.
B
You
and
it
would
be
I,
think
interesting
to
see
hard
data
on
what
kinds
of
sites
what
kinds
of
costs
are
anticipated
for
them
and
and
what
the
what
the
private
market
is
able
to
pay
for
and
what
has
been
able
to
pay
for.
Thank
you.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'm
gonna,
jump,
I
think
to
dr.
Dietrich.
Is
that
how
eyes
our
professor
Dietrich?
What
is
your
official
title.
D
At
the
University
of
Pittsburgh,
I
want
to
just
first
of
all,
re-emphasize
controler
what
Michael
was
saying.
Controller
land
was
saying
about
the
data.
I
got
a
data
set
from
you
a
few
years
ago,
and
it's
not
anywhere
near
what
a
public
agency
should
be
doing
yeah
it's
as
he
said,
it's
not
clear
where,
where
where
the
information
is
going
in,
what's
going
in,
what's
coming
out
just
it's,
it's
absolutely
not
acceptable
for
this.
For
the
URA
to
be
putting
this
out.
D
That
said,
you
have
to
remember
we're
talking
about
a
range
of
tax
abatement
and
incentive
programs.
There's
the
act,
42
residential,
that's
one
tax
abatement
of
years,
I
believe
there's
act,
42,
enhanced
residential
there's
commercial
lettuce
stands
for
our
local
economic,
revitalization,
tax
abatement,
there's
residential
Laura,
there's
alert
prior
to
2007
and
there's
local
economic
stimulus
and
visitability
for
residential
properties,
so
there's
a
whole
set
of
tax
abatement
programs
that
the
city
has
and
they
should
be
looked
at
individually
instead
of
lumped
into
this
bowl
because
they
came
at
different
times.
D
Their
goals
are
different,
not
necessarily
the
same,
and
the
bundle
of
incentives
differs
across
them.
So,
for
instance,
Lawrenceville
folks
were
really
helped
by
a
k---forty
to
residential.
You
know,
ton
of
properties
got
that
benefit.
Is
that
an
area
that
you
know
is
still
in
that
kind
of
thing?
So
there's
there's
a
lot
there.
D
The
enhanced
of
the
residential
laura
is
for
for
neighborhoods,
downtown
strip
uptown
and
one
on
the
north
side
right,
Michael,
yeah
one.
On
the
north
side,
you
couldn't
tell
from
the
URA
map
the
public
agency
should
be
embarrassed
by
the
map
they
have
online
since
the
streets
aren't
identifiable.
And
if
you
don't
know
your
perfect
geography,
you
won't
know
where
it
where
it
actually
ends,
but
it's
the
residential
laura
is
for
those
four
neighborhoods.
That's
the
kind
of
thing
that
you
want
to
say:
maybe
that
is
it
isn't
a
legacy
program.
D
Maybe
those
four
neighborhoods
aren't
the
right
neighborhoods
for
this
residential
alerta'.
Maybe
the
strip's
moved
out
of
that
bucket
private
developers,
I
sit
on
the
Planning
Commission.
We've
got
private
developers
coming
through
all
the
time
with
new
housing
in
the
Strip
District,
not
a
one
of
them
needs
any
incentives
and
if
they're
used
to
getting
them,
it's
I'm
sure
they'll
keep
they'll
do
the
project
without
it,
that's
not
the
deciding
factor
for
them,
so
it
need.
D
Each
of
these
programs
needs
to
be
examined
individually
with
controllers
Aude
it
with
michael
lambs,
audit
and
the
data
there.
You
can
look
at
each
one
and
say
which
ones
have
outlived
their
time,
which
ones
are
in
the
right
neighborhoods
now,
which
ones
have
been
successful.
What
those
outcomes
are.
D
The
second
part,
two
is
back
to
controller
lands,
comments
that
school
district
is
giving
them
at
property
tax
abatement-
I
don't
know
how
involved
the
school
district
is
in
any
of
these
decisions,
but
as
taxpayers
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
who
send
their
kids
to
public
schools,
they're,
probably
not
thrilled,
to
learn
that
the
school
district
is
also
deeply
hurt
by
some
of
these
that
aren't
being
taken
care
of
or
going
or
outlive
their
time,
and
the
school
district
property
tax
rate
obviously
is
higher.
So
the
impact
is
even
bigger.
D
On
the
school
district
and
on
locally
local
property
tax
payers
here
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh,
because
they're
getting
an
abatement
to
the
city,
there's
places
that
don't
have
the
school
district
in
a
thing
to
look
into
what
you're
talking
about
councilmember
gross
is
to
look
into.
Maybe
the
school
district
shouldn't
be
part
of
the
abatement
process,
maybe
the
school
district.
Doesn't
you
know
whatever
who
doesn't
want
to
I?
D
D
C
B
C
C
B
They
votes
individually.
So
this
is
a
question
that
I've
asked
many
times
and
I've
asked
in
public,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
it
again
and
that
you
may
not
have
the
answer,
because
I
have
not
been
able
to
get
the
answer
that
the
school
district
votes
on
each
applicant
is
my
understanding
so
rather
than
an
applicant
who
wants
an
abatement
going
to
a
desk
someplace
that
isn't
in
public
and
automatically
receiving
it,
which
is
what's
been
done
in
the
city
now
for
12
running
years.
B
C
Believe
that's
correct,
IIIi
want
to
say
it's
correct
and
I
believe
the
answer.
The
reason
for
that
is
that
they
that
the
school
I
mean
can
disagree
with
it
with
the
reasoning
but
I
believe.
The
reasoning
is
that,
since
the
school
district
has
not
really
been
involved
in
the
process
that
led
to
whether
it
was
you
know
the
presentation
of
the
permit.
Well,
all
these
kind
of
things
where
the
city
has
all
that
information
and
does
it
the
school
board
doesn't
have
that.
C
D
More
thing
to
is
back
to
controller
lands,
discussion
about
environmentally
degraded
properties-
you
know
perhaps
Laura
and
the
end.
These
tax
abatements
aren't
the
right
source
of
money
for
that
there
are
other
environmental
funds.
There's
brownfield
funds,
there's
EPA
funds,
there's
a
whole
set
of
environmental
monies,
and
perhaps
this
isn't
the
right
program
for
those.
C
E
C
B
E
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Bob
Dame
wood
I'm,
a
staff
attorney
with
regional
housing.
Legal
services
were
a
statewide
nonprofit
law
firm.
We
provide
free,
transactional
legal
services
to
community
based
nonprofits
that
are
developing
housing
and
engaged
in
other
community
economic
development
activities
that
benefit
low-income
Pennsylvanians
like
to
talk
about
the
the
enhanced
residential
alerta'.
So
so
being
a
Detroit
doctor
teacher.
She
never
answered
your
question.
E
E
Twelve
years
ago,
the
city
adopted
an
enhanced
residential
lorta
under
the
city's
Home
Rule
Authority
and
limited
it
to
specific
geographic
areas
that
were
in
particular
need
of
investment.
Some
of
those
areas
have
received
greater
investment.
Some
have
not
possibly
due
to
the
existence
the
tax
abatement,
possibly
not,
and
there
are
neighborhoods
that,
despite
those
enhanced
lured,
a
tax
abatement
being
in
effect
have
still
received
no
investment,
and-
and
so
you
know,
I,
those
neighborhoods
still
do
need
investment.
E
E
What
about
what
do
we
do
with
this
enhanced
lura?
Now
now
that
it's
run
its
course?
So,
as
you
pointed
out
Councilwoman,
when
it
was
adopted
in
2007,
it
had
a
ten-year
sunset
sunset
it
in
June
2017,
and
it
has
been
extended
since
then-
and
you
know
the
city
now
is
in
a
different
place
than
it
was
in
2007
I
mean
in
2007.
The
idea
was
we
needed
investment.
E
B
B
E
F
E
Is
this
is
a
big
tax
break
and
there
are
neighborhoods
that
are
still
eligible
where
developers
are
still
eligible
to
receive
this,
this
tax
abatement,
this
enhanced
tax
abatement,
where
the
development
projects
would
be
feasible
without
it,
and-
and
so
this
enhanced
tax
abatement,
in
my
opinion,
has
outlived
its
current
usefulness,
at
least
as
it
was
designed.
The
reasons
that
existed
twelve
years
ago-
and
this
was
adopted
largely
do
not
exist.
E
Meanwhile,
that's
putting
development
pressure,
that's
putting
that
is
putting
pressures
on
rents
throughout
the
city,
so
rents
have
increased
throughout
the
city
and
so
again,
it's
about
four
years
ago
the
city
commissioned
housing,
needs
assessment,
s
Mullen
or
Lonnegan
to
commit
to
undertake
a
housing
needs
assessment
to
analyze
the
supply
and
demand
of
housing
in
Pittsburgh
and
understand.
Where
does
supply
meet
demand
and
where
doesn't
it
meet
demand?
In
May
three
years
ago,
May
of
2016
model
Lonergan
released
its
study
they
found.
E
First
of
all,
we
have
a
severe
shortage
of
affordable
housing,
there's
a
20,000
unit
gap
of
housing
that
is
affordable
and
available
to
households,
earning
half
of
the
city,
median
household
income.
So
so
roughly
thirty,
six
thousand
I
believe
I'm,
sorry
about
roughly
$21,000
and
below
household
income.
E
This
the
city
has
lost
more
than
three
fifths
of
its
low-cost
rental
housing
stocks.
Since
the
year
2000
rents
citywide
have
more
than
doubled
since
year
2000,
while
renter
incomes
have
remained
flat
and
one
in
every
six
Pittsburgh
households
has
over
23,000
households
in
Pittsburgh,
now
pay
more
than
half
of
their
income
on
housing
costs,
and
that
has
ripple
effects
I'm,
not
that
can
create
an
increased
risk.
Risk
of
health
hazards,
increased
risk
of
eviction
and
foreclosure
and
homelessness,
and
we
pay
for
those
things
with
our
public
dollars
and
so
incentivizing.
E
The
production
of
more
market
rate
rental
housing
in
areas
that
can
support
that
development
without
a
tax
abatement
makes
no
sense.
We
should
be.
We
can-
and
we
should
be
using
this
enhanced
tax
abatement
authority
to
get
to
address
the
city's
current
needs,
and
so
that
is
I
would
contend,
producing
more
affordable
housing
using
the
enhanced
Lord
to
produce
more
affordable
housing
and
creating
jobs
that
are
directed
to
the
hardest
to
employ
in
the
city.
E
Citywide
with
that
tax
abatement
and
in
highmarket
neighbor
neighborhoods
in
hot
market
neighborhoods
15%
set-aside
was
feasible
and
I.
Note
that
yesterday
the
Planning
Commission
recommended
approval
for
an
overlay
district.
Thank
you
in
Lawrenceville
that
would
require
a
10%,
affordable
housing,
set-aside
at
50%,
ami
or
below
for
for
rental
properties.
E
This
is,
in
my
opinion,
exactly
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
should
be
incentivizing
with
our
tax
abatement
programs.
It's
past
the
time
that
we
incentivize
development
for
developments
sake,
and
it's
it's
time
that
we
just
for
smart
government
principles.
We
have
to
stop
giving
away
tax
abatements
that
to
developers
that
don't
need
them
anymore
and
we
need
to
get
something
in
return
for
that
investment
and
I
will
I
mean
first
of
all.
I
do
want
to
commend,
though,
chief
Gilman,
for
having
the
foresight
to
introduce
this
legislation.
B
E
E
B
No
thank
you.
I
would
just
want
to
reiterate
that
last
part,
because
it
is
always
confusing
and
I've
been
myself
using
this
rubric
of
Laura
but
they're.
Not
all
each
of
the
seven
programs
really
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
aren't
exactly
the
Laura
legislation,
but
so
this
that
this
local,
enhanced
residential,
that
you're
talking
about
I,
just
want
to
reiterate
the
one
that
has
the
maximum
of
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year
of
abatement
is
not
for
small
projects.
B
Right
I
mean
it's
being
used
by
very
large
projects,
and
it
is
not
2007
anymore,
where
we're
looking
for
any
project
that
we
feel
lucky
to
get.
It's
2019,
where
they're
been
now
twelve
years
of
new
construction
and
what
we've
seen
in
the
last
few
years
is
most
of
that
new
construction.
That's
using
this
very
specific
to
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
millage
abatement,
right,
it's
not
a
county
of
eight
men
and
it's
not
school
board
abatement
even
well.
B
E
B
B
E
Do
the
one
the
one
condition
I
would
add
to
that
is
there
are
some
places
in
the
city
and
sorry
councilman
cog,
Hills
district
has
already
been,
then
you
know
named
as
an
example
of
markets
that
are
not
as
strong
as
say,
Lawrenceville
or
East
Liberty
right.
But
there
are
some
places
in
the
city
where
the
city
might
might
consider
giving
housing
developers
a
waiver
opportunity
to
come
to
council
or
come
to
somebody
and
show
that
you
know
show
their
their
development
budget
and
their
operating
budgets
and
their
performers.
A
B
I
actually
think
I've
got
a
handout
that
my
staff
gave
me
sure
before
I
walked
in
here
there
just
to
be
clear.
The
extra
big
bonus
city
abatement,
the
enhanced
residential,
that's
just
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
one-
is
not
too
graphically
restricted
right.
You
could
use
that
anywhere
in
the
city.
It's
citywide,
the.
E
B
This
is
some,
so
maybe
that
one-
maybe
not,
but
some
of
the
other
six
remaining
programs
were
citywide
and
I
do
I.
Just
can't
this
is
really
hard
to
see,
but
I'll
share
with
the
councilman
too
that
you
know.
Current
market
strength
is
a
darker
color
on
this
map
and
that
it's
mapping
back
the
last
ten
years
of
where
these
projects
have
been
moments,
and
there
you
can
see.
B
D
The
in
the
end
of
that's
the
same
point
we
made
Bob
and
I
made
the
same
point.
You've
got
these
programs
are
now
in
legacy
status
mission
accomplished
for
a
lot
of
the
neighbor
I
mean
mission.
Accomplished
I
mean
you
can
say
they
they
in
those
neighborhoods
and
your
map
shows
that
those
neighborhoods
don't
need.
As
I
said,
they
don't
need
incentives,
but
developers
get
used
to
getting
them.
D
If
they
don't
ask,
they're
not
gonna
get
one
and
if
they
ask-
and
they
get
one
every
time
they're
gonna
keep
asking
even
that
you're
gonna
be
building
in
the
high
demand
areas
and
though
your
map
is
the
same
map
of
high
demand
areas
right,
the
construction
permits
and
the
construction
size.
It's
the
same
map.
D
So
it's
you
know
you
might
want
to
put
an
end
to
that
until
you
figure
out
what
to
do
with
it,
so
that
when
I'm
in
the
Planning
Commission
I
always
ask
every
developer,
are
you
getting
a
public
subsidy
for
this
project
and
many
of
them
answer?
Yes,
and,
as
I
said,
those
firms
would
still
be
doing
the
same
project
when
they're
building
in
the
strip.
In
Shadyside
and
Easler
East,
Liberty
and
Lawrenceville,
so
the
Lego-
you
know
you
know
when
they
say
the
markets
changed
and
some
of
those
mission
accomplished.
D
You
don't
they're,
not
the
the
deciding
factor
for
private
developers
in
a
lot
of
those
neighborhoods,
but
in
some
of
the
other
neighborhoods
there's,
not
it's
not
just
a
map
of
no
I'm
not
having
is
that
there's
not
construction.
You
know
your
map,
you
can
overlay,
it's
not
just
that
in
the
South
Hills
areas
or
parts
of
the
West
End.
It's
not
that
there's
not
incentive
programs
and
tax
abatements
being
given
interesting.
So
there's
not
a
lot
of
developers
of
Pawling
because
they're
not
probably
building
that
size
of
apartment,
that
right.
F
Well,
this
is
gonna,
be
kind
of
an
outsider's
perspective
because
you
know-
and
that
controller
knows
my
neighborhoods
very
well,
because
he
grew
up
in
the
same
neighborhoods
and
had
we
been
elected
citywide
like
I,
think
at
one
time
they
used
to
be.
You
know
and
you'll
have
to
excuse
my
ignorance
on
some
of
this
stuff
early,
because
I
pay
attention
to
things
that
concern
my
district
and
affordable
housing.
Isn't
one
of
them?
I
got
to
tell
you
you
know
and
I'll
go
back
to
since
we're
talking
housing.
F
F
D
check,
whether
it's
you're
being
pushed
out
of
East,
Liberty
or
Lawrenceville,
or
one
of
the
hot
areas,
is
that
we
have
affordable
housing
in
the
South
Hills
I
mean
to
only
place
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
few
places
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
or
Carrick,
and
maybe
Beechview
where
you
can
purchase
a
house
for
$90,000
or
three
bedrooms,
a
yard
garage.
You
have
it
all.
You
know
and
convenience
to
downtown
it's
probably
better
than
okay.
F
Housing
yeah,
they
might
just
say.
Well,
you
know
what
dorm
wants
right
here,
we'll
just
go
right
right
in
door,
mon-sol,
so
I
mixed
emotions
about
it.
All
I
will
tell
ya
the
affordable
housing
act
that
went
on
before
I
got
here.
I
probably
couldn't
have
supported
it
just
because
I
look
out
for
them
selfish
I,
look
out
for
my
own
district
I
feel
and
that
10
million
dollars
a
year,
that's
going
in!
You
know:
taxpayer
monies
that's
going
in
to
help
the
folks
and
I
do
believe
these
other
districts
need
that.
F
E
Say
one
thing
about
that:
so
the
Urban
Redevelopment
Authority
just
issued
a
just
a
couple
months
ago,
awarded
contracts
to
service
providers
or
rehab
of
owner-occupied
homes
throughout
the
city.
There
are
service
providers
within
your
district.
Hilltop
Alliance
is
one
of
them
who
will
be
offering
free
home
repairs
for
low
income
and
very
low
income
homeowners
throughout
the
city,
but
including
within
your
district
and
I,
mean
it
so.
The
folks
that
that
are
working
on
this
I
know
a
number
of
people
on
the
the
advisory
board
and
I've
talked
to
the
administrator
of
the
program.
E
Jessica
Smith
Perry
about
this
and
they're
committed
to
making
sure
that
the
Housing
Opportunity
funds
ours
are
used
throughout
the
city
in
every
council
district
in
every
type
of
neighborhood
to
benefit
people
not
just
for
you
know
the
the
large
you
know,
new
construction,
new,
affordable
housing
developments,
and
so
so
there's
there's
actually
there's
a
balance,
and
so
I
just
want
to
I'd
like
to
work
with
with
your
office
to
make
sure
that
folks,
in
your
district,
get
the
word
and
and
apply
for
and
receive
those
services.
If.
C
I
could
I
I'm
glad
I'm
really
glad
you
brought
that
up,
because
in
neighborhoods
that
Anthony
represents
and
that
and
where
I
live
and
frankly
that's
what
we
have.
We
have
a
home
improvement
deficit,
you
know,
and
so
the
fact
that
we're
finally
addressing
some
of
that
is
great
I'm,
going
to
take
a
section
slight
exception
with
something
that
was
said
earlier
with
respect
to
the
biggest
problem
we
face,
because
the
biggest
problem
we
face
is
not
housing,
affordability,
the
biggest
problem
we
face
is
loss
of
population
now
housing.
C
Affordability
is
a
big
part
of
that,
but
it's
not
the
only
part
of
that.
Let's
be
clear,
we're
still
shrinking.
You
know
we
have
fewer
people
today
than
we
had
yesterday
and
we're
gonna
have
fewer
people
tomorrow
than
we
have
today.
That's
that's
the
reality
what's
going
on
in
Pittsburgh
today,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
housing
and
and
and
and
whether
it's
big
buildings
or
small,
we
have
to
continue
to
recognize
that
we
are
not
attracting
people
into
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
right
now.
C
Now
are
we?
If
we
build
it,
will
they
come?
Maybe,
and,
and
so
but
I
would
just
I
worry
about
when
people
talk
about
housing,
affordability,
the
crisis
we
have
on
housing,
affordability,
when
what
they're
really
talking
about
is
an
issue
of
neighborhood
equity,
right
people,
getting
punched
pushed
out
of
their
neighborhoods
and
and
and
certainly
that's
a
much
different
problem
than
what
we
see
in
the
South
Hills.
So
and
let
me
just.
C
And
let
me
just
say
say
this:
the
other
concern
I
have
is,
as
we
talked
about
inclusionary
zoning,
the
next
step
of
that
right.
So
so
now
we
have
inclusionary
zoning
and
we
are
going
to
require
developers
to
set
aside
10%
for
affordable
housing.
I
think
it's
a
great
goal,
but
then
the
next
step
is
that
okay,
well
we're
going
to
further
incentivize
that
with
Lara
right.
Does
that
then
remove
Lara
from
communities
where
inclusionary
zoning
really
doesn't
help
right?
C
So
so
you
have
neighborhoods
like
councilman,
cog,
Hills
district
and
others,
where
you
can
call
it
inclusionary,
there's
they're,
just
not
doing
projects
like
that
there.
So
is
that
going
to
then
limit
the
the
funding
that's
available
to
do
the
very
things
we're
talking
about
these
home
improvement
programs
and
these
other
kind
of
things,
so
that
that's
kind
of
what
concerns
me,
as
as
the
pool
shrinks
to
communities
where
inclusionary
zoning
is
meaningful,
does
it
hurt
those
neighborhoods
were
inclusionary?
Zoning
is
less
meaningful,
so.
C
C
It's
it's
it's.
It's
we've
got
to
be
careful
and
I
said
I'm,
not
saying
we're
not
talking
about
very
admin
goals
here,
but
but
I
do
feel
a
lot
of
times.
There
are
neighborhoods
that
are
the
haves
and
neighborhoods
that
are
the
have-nots
and
in
Pittsburgh
were
thirty
five
percent
of
the
people
at
least
the
last
time
I
checked.
Thirty.
Five
percent
of
people
live
in
neighborhoods,
south
of
the
rivers
and
they're,
not
benefiting
from
a
lot
of
this
kind
of
program
or
policy.
It.
E
Most
city
residents
work
hard
and
are
struggling
to
pay
the
bills
and
to
pay
the
mortgage
and
pay
the
rent
right.
You
know:
unaffordability
has
skyrocketed
past
2000
the
city
paid
for
a
study
to
find
out
the
extent
of
our
affordability
problem.
We
got
that
study.
The
research
is
in
the
data
is
in
I
mean
we
have
an
affordable
housing
crisis.
We've
got
a
20,000
unit
that
we
need
to.
We
need
to
meet
mateus
a
is
you
know.
E
Yes,
the
city's
population
has
has
flatlined
we're
not
growing,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
poor
people
are
not
being
displaced
from
the
city
there
are.
There
are
people
coming
into
the
city
who
can
pay
those
$1,600
a
month,
rents
for
a
one-bedroom
apartment
and
we
need
you
know.
We
need
that
absolutely.
But
you
know
the
fact
that
that
doesn't
mean
that
doesn't
translate
into
a
population
growth,
yeah.
B
B
B
C
C
But
let
me
my
recollection
is
this:
the
methodology
is
this:
that
there
are
a
certain
number
of
people
who
live
at
or
below
a
certain
income
level,
whatever
that
level
may
be,
and
that
number
is
say
somewhere
like
forty
thousand
people
well
I,
my
numbers
aren't
right,
I'm,
sorry
and
that
there
are
only
20,000
units
in
the
city
that
are
subsidized.
Therefore,
there
we
have
a
shortage
of
20,000.
Isn't
that
I
mean?
Is
that
I'm
sorry
wrong
about
the
math,
but
isn't
that
the
methodology?
What.
E
What
nope?
It's
not?
Okay,
I'm,
sorry!
So
no!
No!
They
they
looked
at,
not
just
subsidized
housing.
He
looked
at
the
market.
They
looked
at
what
what
housing
exists
at
what
rent
rent
levels
that
meets
code
and
where
are
the
income?
What
are
the
incomes
of
existing
city
residents
and
so
how
much
housing
is
available
and
affordable
to
the
incomes
that
existing
city
residents
have
yeah
and
it's?
But
it's
and
they
looked
at
various
price
points
and
various
income
levels
and
have
identified
the
gap
at
area
median
income,
80%
area,
median
income.
E
E
C
C
B
I'm
gonna-
let
professor
Dietrich,
also
chime
in
here,
if
you
don't
mind
councilman,
so
it
was
your
question
initially,
but
I
do
want
to
say
that
it's
maybe
a
separate,
also
wonderful
topic
to
continue
to
explore
is
how
do
we
support
the
local
owners
and
I
and
I
did
say
that
in
my
opening
comments
that
it's
one
of
the
concerns
that
I
think
we
have
if
this
is
not
an
appropriate
tool?
Where
is
that
appropriate
tool?
B
D
Say
a
little
bit
about
the
market.
It's
the
end
of
the
Great
Recession.
We
did
a
study
of
the
supply
and
demand
of
affordable
housing
in
Allegheny
County,
so
predates
that
by
quiet,
but
at
that
time-
and
it
was
all
at
Allegheny
County
folks
who
are
30%
extremely
low-income
and
below
always
need
subsidized
housing
period
always
and
then,
but
for
our
area.
People
at
50%
the
market
largely
supplied
that
housing,
and
today
the
market
doesn't
supply
that
housing.
That's
the
the
market
has
changed
in
many
parts
of
our
city
and
region.
The
market
is
strong.
D
When
the
markets,
strong
prices,
go
up,
developers
come
in
they
build,
and
that
has
changed
for
a
lot
of
folks.
So
it's
it's
folks
in
a
very
low
and
low
income
groups
that
are
not
being
are
not
going
to
have
the
market
meet
their
needs
and
that's
where
some
kind
of
tying
these
pieces,
especially
there's
no
reason
to
give
some
of
these.
In
some
of
these
neighborhoods,
we
had
a
big
we've
given
big
TIF
tax
increment
financing
to
places
where
no
affordable
housing
was
part
of
the
deal
we
had
at
a
transit.
D
Revitalization,
investment
district
in
East
Liberty,
where
no
affordable
housing
was
part
of
the
deal
they
just
things
like
that.
Just
shouldn't
be
passed
anymore
it
for
any.
You
know
in
any
point,
for
a
big
part
of
our
city,
though,
with
with
even
with
all
the
new
construction.
In
some
of
these
older
neighborhoods,
we
still
have
neighborhoods
where
the
average
house
is
a
hundred
plus
years
old
and
those
are
exactly
the
kind
of
neighborhoods
control
our
lands.
D
D
Let's
do,
let's
tie
it
to
some
of
that
as
part
of
it,
because
that's
when
people
really
get
into
trouble
when
they
can't
make
those
kind
of
improvements,
and
then
you
see
the
really
the
neighborhoods
that
really
lost
a
lot
of
housing
to
vacancy
alarmers
of
the
world,
because
people
couldn't
afford
to
make
those
kind
of
improvements
anymore
and
the
market
fell
apart
for
some
period
of
time.
Now
it's
back,
but
that
means
a
lot
of
those
folks
are
the
same
folks
that
couldn't
afford
to
make
the
kind
of
improvements.
D
If
you
anybody
who
has
an
old
house,
you
know
it's
not
a
couple
of
dollars
every
year
to
keep
it
going,
it's
you
know
and
and
when
people
get
behind,
then
the
house
falls
into
more
repair.
So
there's
parts
in
your
neighbor
mean
Brookline,
looks
great
beach
view
looks
great,
but
a
lot
of
houses-
and
you
know
next
door-
could
be
the
problem
that
somebody
needs
some
help.
It's.
B
A
problem
of
light
and
also
overheated
markets
as
well
because
part
of
trying
to
losing
your
local
families
in
an
overheated
market
is
they
still.
They
may
not
be
of
the
income
where
they
can
afford
that,
but
for
that
sewer
or
that
was
repairs,
and
so
that
that
ends
up
in
the
hands
of
a
speculator
or
a
flipper,
because
they
also-
and
so
it's
part
of
stabilizing
and
securing
again
just
local
ownership
of
control,
even
in
in
any
of
the
markets
so
I'm.
B
G
Everyone
I
am
Rachel
Paloma
bond
and
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
representative
emmer
Otto's
office.
Again
and
again,
we
want
to
be
an
ally
at
the
state
level
to
these
kind
of
legislative
interventions
and
these
incentives
that
encourage
development,
but
not
at
the
expense
of
leaving
people
behind.
So
to
your
earlier
point
about
this
affordability
crisis
I
think
that
that
is
taking
too
broad
a
cut.
G
It
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
our
residents
of
color
and
the
demographic
shifts
that
we
have
seen
in
Pittsburgh,
because
we
are
not
losing
white
residents
in
these
neighborhoods.
So
that
is
something
critical
that
I
want
to
talk
about,
which
is
that
concentration
of
wealth
that
concentration
of
white
residents
but
zooming
out
a
bit
more
to
how
the
state
can
assist
and
how
the
state
can
support
this
I
really
want
to
ask
a
couple
questions
about
what
tying
these
incentives
or
tying
these
credits
to
benefits
to
the
community
might
look
like.
G
Does
that
look
like
community
benefit
agreements
that
are
institutionalized?
Does
that
look
like
marrying
some
of
these
credits
to
that
local
investment
I
would
be
really
curious
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
I
would
also
be
curious
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
this
lack
of
data
that
we
see
because,
as
we
see
on
the
table
here,
this
is
not
Universal
of
the
Commonwealth.
We
have
a
lot
of
data
coming
out
of
Philadelphia
I'm
curious.
Why?
B
C
I
mean
I,
just
you
know,
the
the
data
gathering
is
all
over
the
map
right
and
it's
it's.
It's
not
just
Pittsburgh
it's.
You
know.
We
talk
a
lot
about
across
municipal,
you
know
when
you
try
to
compare
across
municipalities
and
and
we're
all
keeping
different
data
or
tape,
keeping
different
data
points,
so
you
can't
even
compare
and-
and
so
one
of
the
goals
of
this
audit
was
and
recommendations
that
we
make
in
this
audit
are
to
get
better
about
the
even
the
basics
of
dates
you.
B
C
There
I
mean
they
are,
but
the
other
thing
you
have
at
play
here
is
the
County
assessment
office
right.
So
so
you
know
someone
applies
for
a
building
permit
and
that
that
information
needs
to
be
transmitted
to
assessment
immediately.
I
mean
we've
seen
cases
where
you
know
you
apply
for
an
occupancy
permit
or
a
building
permit,
and
that
information
doesn't
get
reflected
into
the
assessment
profile
for
a
year.
Well,
did
the
abatement
start
back
when
there
was
nothing
happening
on
that
property
and
and
and
and
or
have
they
skated
for
a
couple
of
years?
C
With
you
know
a
vacant
lot
tax
level
when
they've
had
a
mansion
sitting
on
it.
That
happens,
it's
real
and
it's
loss
of
in
its
loss
of
revenue
to
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
So
you
know,
there's
got
to
be
a
better,
more
automated
way
of
making
that
connection
and
then
and
then
the
same
thing
could
be
said
for
with
these
programs
the
the
interaction
between
PLI,
you
are
a
and
and
the
city
finance
department.
They
all
have
a
different
role
here
and
you
know
the
URA.
Isn't
gonna
collect
your
taxes?
That's
you
know.
F
To
your
point,
when
you
say
20,
we
need
20,000,
we're
short
20,000,
affordable
housing
units,
I
keep
waiting
for
them
to
come
in
the
beach
view.
I
really
do
you.
Never.
The
doors
are
wide
open
there.
It's
affordability!
All
over
the
place.
There
I
personally
was
involved
in
a
couple
people
from
who
were
displaced
from
Penn
Plaza
right
found
them
apartments
that
they're
happier
with
and
their
location.
They
love.
And
you
know
it's.
Maybe
it's
a
stigma.
Maybe
it's
the
councilperson
I,
don't
know.
E
Mawlana
lonegan
looked
at
housing
all
throughout
the
city,
including
the
South
Hills
I
mean
they,
so
this
isn't
I
mean
they
did
some
South
Hills
specific
neighborhoods,
specific
analysis
and
I
could
I'd
be
glad
to
pull
that
out
and
have
a
conversation
with
you
but
citywide.
You
know
it's
not
that
you
know
citywide,
they
looked
at
what
is
available.
E
C
C
D
C
C
You
take
a
look
at
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
funds
that
were
used
burn
if
you
didn't
look
at
the
Birmingham
foundation,
did
over
in
Southside
slopes
and
made
investments
in
some
key
properties
over
there
and
we're
able
to
bring
those
up
to
a
higher
level
and
and
still
provide
not
affordable
at
that
level.
But
the
same
kind
of
model
could
be
provided
at
a
lower
at
a
lower
rent
point.
You
know
you
can
see
that
it's
it
wouldn't
take
much
to
do
that
and
it
addresses
both
problems.
F
F
Michael
I
think
you're
spot
on.
When
you
say
we
can
use
of
the
affordable
housing
act.
I
wish
I
could
just
take
1.1
million
of
it
1/9
of
it
and
just
use
it
for
home
repairs
other
things,
but
because
I
don't
feel
we
have
a
displacement
problem
in
the
South
Hills.
We
don't
yet
I
hope
we
do
someday,
because
that
means
things
are
booming
over
there.
F
C
F
We
have
a
large
homeownership,
you
know
stock
there,
which
means
we
pay
a
lot
of
taxes
and
to
me
and
I
again,
I
understand
the
different
issues
in
different
parts
of
the
city.
However,
I
feel
like
that's
focusing
whether
its
Affordable
Housing
Act,
whether
it's
Alera
days,
whatever,
whatever
we're
talking
about
I,
don't
feel
my
neighborhoods
are
Bening,
benefiting
it
from
it,
like
the
other.
Neighborhoods
are,
and
that's
fine
and
good.
C
E
F
C
A
C
C
C
Well,
I
can
tell
you.
It
was
pretty
disturbing
to
me
that
you
know
shortly
after
we,
you
know,
increase
the
real
estate
transfer
tax
to
create
help
create
the
fund.
You
know
was
within
a
few
weeks,
I'm
reading
an
article
in
the
paper
that
suggested
that
some
of
that
money
is
going
to
be
used
to
develop
housing
on
the
arena
site
I.
Don't.
A
E
C
F
G
F
That's
why,
for
me,
I
would
had
a
hard
time
supporting
that,
just
because
I
I
feel
like
we
paid
same
taxes
as
everybody
in
the
city,
and
you
know:
I
have
a
hard
time.
You
know
and
and
I
make
this
argument.
I
mean
from
the
bottom
of
my
heart,
I'm,
fine
with
putting
that
money
towards
East
Liberty
or
where
it's
needed
as
long
as
I
have
twice
the
paving
twice
the
things
that
we
need.
You
know
that
I
look
for,
that's
I
know
it
can't
be
done
like
that.
F
C
B
So
I
think
we're
about
come
to
a
close
on
we've
been
here
a
little
more
than
an
hour
so
and
that's
usually
about
the
length
of
attention
that
we
get
from
our
audience.
I
do
have
a
few
more
notes
that
we
don't
need
to
discuss,
but
I
think
that
is
still
a
discussion
in
front
of
us.
There
are
kinds
of
requirements
that
we
attach
to
the
use
of
city
funds
or
on
ura
projects
when
they're
using
taxpayer
dollars
that
we
have
not
also
attached
to
Luda.
B
In
my
understanding,
like
a
requirement
for
WBE
or
MBE
in
construction,
the
consideration
of
kind
of
Union
labor
the
way
we
do
or
prevailing
wage.
The
way
we
have
various
legislations
that
we
attach
to
the
direct
use
of
City
dollars
and
again
it
is
not
2007
and
we
I
think
are
ready
to
raise
our
expectations
and
kind
of
raise
the
bar
of
what
we're
willing
to
require
in
order
that
we
lower
your
property
tax
bill.
If
you're
a
developer,
especially
so
I,
think,
that's
still
I.