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A
B
This
agenda
item
was
added
to
our
agenda
at
the
request
of
councilmember
Teresa
Kael
Smith,
who
unfortunately
got
called
for
jury
duty
today
and
asked
me
to
chair
for
her,
and
we
are
joined
today
by
three
people:
city
controller,
Michael,
Lam,
Aaron,
Pickett
from
our
real
estate
department
at
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
and
Margaret,
Lanier,
finance,
director
and
treasurer
of
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
So
welcome
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
B
Michael
controller
lam
I
would
like
to
start
with
you
most
recently
because,
as
I
recall,
our
council
discussion,
Councilwoman
Smith,
was
prompted
by
your
recent
performance.
Audit
of
the
Department
of
Finance
and
treasurer's
office
about
property
sales
specifically
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
it's
been
some
years
now
that,
since
we
were
all
talking
about
this
in
2014
for
quite
a
number
of
months
when
we
went
through
it
in
much
detail,
well,
I'll
count.
B
C
But
when
you
looked
at
the
process
of
just
sales
that
the
real
estate
division
of
finance
were
doing
and
and
and
how
that
was
working,
we
took
a
look
at
that
process
from
beginning
to
end
and
found
that
first
off
it
takes
way
too
long.
It's
it's
a
very
confusing
and
almost
secretive
kind
of
process.
It's
a
process
that
is
frustrating
to
the
people
who
are
trying
to
buy
these
properties
because
they
are
often
told
given
different
information
at
different
times
throughout
the
process.
C
One
of
the
reasons,
if
you
remember
when
we
had
this
discussion
about
the
land
bank,
one
of
the
what
I
wasn't
crazy
about
the
whole
idea
of
the
land
bank,
because
the
land
bank,
as
it
was
being
discussed,
turned
out
to
be
some
different
than
what
we
ended
up
having.
But
but
one
of
the
concerns
has
always
been
this
process
of
having
a
process
that
is
open
and
transparent.
C
C
The
other
thing
is
that
there's
so
many
products
that
we're
just
hold
on
to
forever
and
probably
the
URA
is
more
guilty
of
that
than
we
the
city
are,
but
when
you
look
at
their
portfolio,
their
inventory
they've
got
properties
that
they've
had
for
50
years
and
more-
and
you
know
with
the
hope
of
future
and
development,
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
found
about
from
the
URA
is
that
when
they
decide
to
hold
a
property,
they
normally
don't
even
tell
you
why.
So
you
know
just
that.
C
The
secrecy
and
the
lack
transparency
around
that
whole
process
is
is
also
also
troublesome.
So
I
mean
I'm.
You
know
we.
We
did
this
audit
with
the
hopes
that
counsel
would
take
a
look
at
at
the
process.
Hope
to
inform
the
ongoing
process
with
the
land
bank
and
and
hopefully
have
a
better
a
better
process
going
forward.
One
thing,
I
will
tell
you
that
we
didn't
look
at,
which
also
needs
to
only
be
discussed,
we're
talking
about
here,
the
properties
that
the
city
owns
or
that
the
URA
owns.
C
We
say
nothing
about
that:
a
whole
bunch
of
properties
out
there
that
are
in
limbo,
because
we
don't
want
to
buy
them,
but
the
the
owners
have
long
ago
abandoned
them.
So
we're
talking
about
properties
that
are
tax
delinquent
for
10
and
20
years
that
are
still
in
the
name
of
an
original
owner
in
many
cases
have
long
since
passed,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
the
land
bank
I
think
has
to
really
deal
with
is
how
do
they
deal
with
those
properties?
C
Are
they
gonna,
accept
those
properties
and
actually
have
ownership
of
those
properties
and
allow
those
properties
to
go
through
a
process
that
cleans
their
title
and
allows
them
to
be
issued
for
sale?
You
know,
there's
a
whole
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
those
properties
out
there
and
and
and
we
really
need
in
the
land
bank
ruling
just
to
think
about
how
they're
gonna
deal
with
with
those
properties
or
those
properties
that
someone
today
says.
You
know
what
this
throat
is
too
much
for
me,
I'm,
giving
it
back
to
the
city
here.
C
Take
it
well,
the
city
won't
take
those
properties,
right
will
the
land
bank
and
they
should-
and
hopefully
they
will,
but
but
but
they've
got
to
have
a
process
for
that,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
those
kind
of
properties
around
Pittsburgh
and
in
neighborhoods
all
over
the
city,
where
people
have
just
decided
that
they're
underwater
and
they're
they're
not
gonna.
You
know
they're
gonna,
walk
away
from
it.
I'm.
B
Gonna
interject
just
a
minute,
because
we,
before
we
turned
on
the
cameras
and
called
to
order
I
wanted
to
be
sure
that
we're
all
using
the
same
vocabulary,
given
that
this
really
is,
you
could
do
a
giant
kind
of
flowchart,
of
trying
to
figure
out
the
different
processes
that
we
are
in.
A
regulatory
wake
come,
you
know,
have
to
do
with
notice
to
the
courts
and
notice
to
states
and
all
these
kinds
of
public
periods.
We
went
again
through
in
a
lot
of
depth.
B
Five
years
ago,
when
we
were
talking
about
the
creation
of
the
land
bank.
One
of
the
things
you
just
said
controller
was
that
there
are
properties
out
there
that
are
delinquent,
that
we
don't
own,
and
the
treasure
and
I
were
just
saying
that
so
are
we
saying
the
properties
that
are
delinquent?
She
has
on
a
list,
and
that
is
a
publicly
posted
list,
and
that
list
is
where
we're.
C
C
B
So
there's
a
list
of
delinquencies
and
I
think
controller.
Those
are
some
of
the
ones
you're
talking
about.
Maybe
they
haven't.
You
know,
there's
been
no
one
to
pay
taxes
on
a
property.
It's
been
abandoned
for
four
years,
but
just
and
when
you
say
the
word
owned,
I
think
sometimes
we
also
say
the
word
acquired
under
the
treasurer
sale
state.
You
know
powers
right
and
so
that
I
think
the
the
finance
department
refers
to
as
the
inventory.
B
The
total
inventory
is
in
the
ballpark
of
about
14,000
properties
and
that
that
list
is
not
publicly
posted
and
I
have
some
questions
about
that.
So
there's
two
separate
universes
here
that
we're
talking
about
the
list
of
properties
that
we
have
acquired
as
the
city
but
have
not
moved
out,
is
14,000
and
that
in
your
report,
you're
talking
about
I've
got
to
the
page
we're
talking
about
the
ones
that
council
deletes.
B
For
example,
in
2016
there
were
166
properties
that
came
to
this
table
to
be
sold
to
property
owner
and
43
were
deleted
by
council
vote,
so
that
was
about
20%
and
then
in
2017.
You
have
properties
that
came
off
of
the
14,000
list
that
came
to
this
table
to
be
auctioned
to
be
approved,
for
auction
were
85
and
of
that
85
25%
were
deleted
by
council
vote.
D
D
A
D
C
E
For
various
reasons,
planning
parks,
those
those
are
makeup
of
everything,
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
The
properties
that
we,
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
deems
for
sale,
are
the
two
thousand
five
properties
that
we
have
four
four
available
for
sale.
That
means
we've
taken
taken
them
in
for
delinquency
and
putting
those
back
out
for
city
of
Pittsburgh
residents
to
purchase
so.
B
E
B
B
I'm
gonna
put
this
kind
of
up
here
for
so
so
these
are
my
notes
here.
I
think
this
is
an
important
part
of
this
discussion.
Just
so
we
know
you
know.
Are
we
talking
about
a
hundred
properties?
We're
talking
about
a
thousand
properties
were
talking
about
14,000
properties,
you're,
saying
the
city,
infant
or
er,
those
properties
that
let's
say
somebody
walked
away
from
it
in
1980
right
it's
at
two
link
on
the
delinquent
list.
B
E
B
I'm
going
to
contend
that
this
is
also
part
of
the
confusion
and
frustration
that
this
isn't
public
information.
It's.
We
should
literally
have
that
list
sitting
here
in
the
middle
of
table
and
I've
lobbied
for
it
before
to
be
posted
on
the
website,
and
it
was
for
a
time
it
was
2015,
I
mean
that
that's
gone
and
so
I
think
that
would
really
clear
up
a
lot
of
confusion
on
the
public's
part.
It
certainly
Councilmembers
part,
but.
C
B
Are
we
talking
about
30,000,
40,000
and
I
just
also
want
to
put
in
context
then
in
my
recollection,
if
you
look
at
the
entire
city
map
right
or
our
boundaries,
there's
roughly
140,000
individual
private
parcels
right.
So
it's
about
that
much
so
you
know,
even
in
the
ones
that
we've
acquired.
Is
that
10%
right
that
are
abandoned,
or
are
you
telling
me
13,000
of
those
a
really
just
park
space
that
have
been
parks
for
a
hundred
years?
I'm.
C
A
little
confused
by
your
use
of
the
word
acquired,
I
really
haven't
acquired
many
at
all
right.
The
only
ones
we
acquire
right
now
are
the
ones
that
people
want
to
buy.
So
if
there's
a
delinquent
property
sitting
out
there-
and
it's
next
to
your
house
and
you
want
to
buy
it,
then
you
come
to
the
city
and
they'll
begin.
C
A
treasure
sale
to
clean
up
the
title.
I
ain't
tell
you
that
property,
but
there
are
a
whole
bunch
of
properties
out
there
that
no
one
wants
to
buy
right
now,
right
that
are
just
sit
out
there
in
limbo
that
are
not
have
not
been
acquired
by
the
city
they're
still
in
the
names
of
the
original
owner.
They
are
delinquent
in
many
cases
for
years
and
years
and
years,
and
no
and
nothing's
gonna
happen
with
those.
Until
somebody
comes
along
and
says:
hey
I
want
to
buy
that.
C
C
Can
we
can,
we
can
tell
you
how
many
property
properties
are
delinquent
taxation
right
now
some
may
be
delinquent
just
for
a
year.
Some
may
be
for
more
than
that,
but
I
that
information
is
readily
available.
It's
not
maybe
not
out
on
a
website
somewhere,
but
it's
readily
available.
Again.
It
changes
every
day.
Absolutely.
C
And
just
to
be
clear,
the
audit,
the
audit
only
looked
at
those
properties
that
have
been
involved
in
the
process
of
the
treasurer's
sale
or
those
properties
that
are
already
acquired
by
the
city
or
by
the
URA.
Those
are
the
only
things
that
we
were
really
looking
at,
so
there's
a
whole
host
of
properties
out
there
that
we're
not
even
talking
about
in
the
audit
itself
again.
This
audit
was
to
look
at
that
specific
process
and
make
recommendations.
Wonderful.
B
So
this
is
why
again,
this
was
actually
just
like
the
framing
conversation.
It's
this
important,
because
there's
really
a
huge
percentage
of
the
parcels
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
that
are
not
only
not
under
stewardship,
not
really
being
cared
for.
They
could
be
dragging
down
a
street
or
an
entire
neighborhood,
but
then
also
aren't
generating
any
revenue
and
are
not
being
put
into
any
productive
purpose.
C
There's
so
much
about
this
okay.
First
off,
let's
start
with
the
very
basic
issue
that
everything
we
do
is
reliant
on
the
revenues
we
bring
in
the
biggest
revenue
we
bring
in
is
property
taxes
and,
and
that
all
starts
with
someone
owning
that
property.
So
now
we
have
all
this
property
that
no
one
owns
so
to
speak.
We've
got
a
deal,
you
know
it's
a
big
chunk
of
our
of
the
parcels
within
the
city
of
Pittsburgh.
C
Add
to
that
the
whole
issue
of
light
and
the
blight
that's
created
by
this
problem
and
and
the
fact
that
the
city
is
not
particularly
good
about
maintaining
the
properties,
let
alone
the
properties
that
are
out
in
that
limbo
world,
which
we
really
probably
only
have
the
right
to
maintain.
So
there
there
are
a
lot
of
real
problems
that
this
creates,
but
the
basic
one
from
my
perspective
is
just
that
basic
one
of
our
largest
source
of
revenue
is
property
taxes,
and
we've
got
this
big
chunk
of
property.
D
If
I
could
add
to
that,
one
of
the
things
too
is
like
this
problem.
What
these
properties
wasn't
created
overnight,
you
know
we
go
back
ten
years
or
more
in
previous
administrations
where,
as
when
the
property
became
delinquent
and
it
went,
it
went
into
a
sale
when
at
that
point
in
time,
even
if
there
was
no
buyer
for
that
property,
that
property
was
acquired
by
the
city,
because
anything
that
was
put
in
the
sale
was
delinquent
once
the
sale
was
over,
the
city
would
acquire
it.
So.
D
B
Yeah,
so
there
are
not
that's
not.
You
know
that
list
of
14,000
city
actual
owned
properties,
some
of
them
aren't
parkland.
Some
of
them
actually
are
private
properties
that
have
still
liens
usually
attached
to
them,
even
if
it
was
acquired
in
maybe
1950
yeah,
and
so
it
would
be
I
think
really
helpful
for
counsel
to
get
a
more
accurate
picture.
B
C
Just
add
that
you
may
want
to
include
on
that
map
a
breakout
of
properties
that
are
owned
by
your
component
units,
because
you
do
have
proper,
obviously,
their
property
owners
by
the
by
the
housing
authority,
but
but
the
URA
properties,
they're
they're.
A
significant
number
of
properties
that
are
owned
by
the
URA,
which
are
different
than
the
properties
that
the
city
owns.
That
the
URA
has
asked
us
to
hold
property.
D
B
B
B
D
B
E
B
B
B
Copy
was
in
2015,
I
think,
and
so
you
can
see
some
of
those
things.
There's
permanent
ownership,
city-owned
hold
temporary
hold
for
study
the
hold
for
30
hold
for
study
hold
for
study
approved
for
sale.
So
how
does
one
in
the
administration
and
I'll
get
back
to
the
RA
hold
hold
this?
Is
it
an
active
council
so.
E
So
hold
for
study
was
a
whole
code
that
was
generated
by
Bill
Waddell
bill
Waddell.
You
used
the
code
hold
for
study
for
properties
that
he
felt
that
just
either
unsafe
or
various
reasons,
hillsides
just
properties
that
weren't
buildable
just
know
unusable
properties
we're.
Actually
we
actually
have
looked
at
a
lot
of
those
and
haven't
made
a
lot
of
different
decisions
than
prior.
Our
prior
predecessors.
E
We
we
would
reach
out
to
the
various
colleagues
that
can
give
us
an
idea,
and
that's
like
planning
is
this
property?
Is
it
usable
can?
Can
you
can
it?
Can
it
be
a
property
that
can
be
built
on
I
mean?
Is
it
has
it
been
something
that
DPW
has
stabilized,
so
those
are
kind
of
things
that
we
look
at
for
the
whole
four
studies
now
and
make
a
decision
on
if
we
can
sell
those
and
make
sure
that
they're
safe
for
city
of
Pittsburgh
residents
to
acquire
hey.
B
You,
they
weren't
very
stable
twenty
years
ago,
but
they're
even
with
the
increased
rainfall
we've,
even
more
of
them
are
unstable.
So
it
may
be
even
time
to
revisit
that
hillside
zoning
to
be
sure
that
we
have
enough
of
the
parcels
actually
zoned
hillside.
This
is
another
side
topic,
and
so
it
appears
that
the
administration
or
the
real
estate
department,
specifically.
B
E
E
E
We
we
really,
we
really
don't
we,
we,
we
look
over
those
properties,
but
a
lot
of
the
cases
that
we
come
across
where
we're
looking
at
and
making
decisions
are
when
we
have
application
for
city
of
Pittsburgh
resin
to
acquire
something
like
that,
and
then
we
would
look
into
it
and
then
from
there,
if
it's
contiguous
or
if
there's
other
properties
around
it,
we
start
to
venture
more
and
to
see.
If
you
know
those
properties
can
also
be
sold.
So
that's
kind
of
how
we
do
that
right.
D
Now
comes
in
one
about
a
particular
piece
of
property,
and
we
see
that
its
hold
for
study
than
we
would
reach
to
that
authority
or
planning,
or
whatever
department
and
inquire
about
that
property.
Is
it
really
something
that
we
continue
need
to
continue
to
hold,
or
is
this
property
valuable?
Can
we,
you
know
viable
where
we
could
sell
a
property?
Is.
D
D
E
I
looked
that
bill
is
a
hybrid
guy.
He
came
from
planning,
but
he
was
in
our
real
estate
division.
But
a
lot
of
his
a
lot
of
his
activity
was
in
the
planning
department.
So
he
was
a
hybrid
guy.
He
understood
what
could
be
sold,
what
couldn't
be
sold
in
terms
of
stabilization
and
things
of
that
sort.
C
B
There
may
be
other
things
that
are
for
the
common
good,
whether
those
are
community
gardens,
whether
that
is
public
space.
What
are
the
storm?
Water
retention,
whether
that's
trails
and
and
there
are
lots
of
things
that
neighborhoods
have
desires
for
and
that
it
is
the
city's
ability
and
responsibility
to
provide,
but
that
this
is.
It
seemed
seeming
to
look
mark
here.
I.
C
Would
just
I'm
just
and
I:
don't
want
the
audit
that
we
did
to
mischaracterize
this,
because
we
don't.
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
this,
but
but
it's
not
the
point
in
the
audit
and
the
these
properties
and
how
they're
characterized
as
to
why
they're
being
held
I
might
understand
that
are
being
held
for
bad
ideas
for
bad
reasons.
The
problem
is,
it's
just
not
clearly
communicated
as
to
why
or
enter
for
how
long
right.
C
C
You
know
that's
a
good
question,
but
the
the
problem
that
I
have
with
everything
that's
in
this
audit
is
that
the
the
lack
of
transparency
on
this
inventory
and
the
and
the
status
of
these
properties
and
the
purposes
for
which
you
people
are
being
denied
because
of
holds
I'm,
not
saying
that's
necessarily
negative
or
a
bat
or
bad
reasons
that
they're
doing
this.
Just
that
they're
not
clear
and
making
making
those
reasons
understood
to
people
this
process.
C
What
we
found
about
this
process
is
that
it
is
it
because
it's
so
long
because
it
has
to
have
so
many
complicated
parts.
It's
easy
to
manipulate
when
you
know
your
way
around
the
system
and
that
as
a
public
organization,
we
shouldn't
be
act
operating
that
way.
Okay,
so
so
the
the
problem
is
it.
We
have
to
tighten
up
the
timelines
on
these
decisions.
We
have
to
tighten
up
the
procedure,
the
policies
and
procedures
through
written
regs
around
these.
C
A
C
B
C
Agree
and
again
I
would
win
neck
when
that
conversation
happens.
The
big
question
to
me
is:
what
does
the
land
bank
going
to
do
about
properties
that
have
long
ago
been
abandoned
that
up
into
this
point,
the
city
has
refused
to
take
Frank,
and,
and
are
they
going
to
have
the
financial
resources
to
take
those
properties,
clean
the
title
and
and
and
have
a
real
land
bank
of
properties
that
are
marketable
for
for
sale
or
that
have
marketable
title
so.
B
We
have
kind
of
a
big
question
mark
here
of
again
how
many
are
Jordan
tax
right
this
this
adds
up
to
be
way
more
than
I
always
had
a
14,000
number
as
the
kind
of
universe
in
my
head
that
I've
always
talked
about
as
abandoned
and
not
you
know,
have
been
either
repurposed
or
being
disposed
so
that
they'll
be
paying
property
tax,
but
I'm
not
sure.
That's
it.
So
we'd
still
need
to
have
filled
in
kind
of
like
how
many
are
Jordan
tax.
How
many
we
think
our
limbo?
How
many
are
on
the
delinquent
list?
B
C
D
B
C
D
B
D
B
A
C
Guys
make
sure
I'm
not
but
I,
think
you're,
close
I
think
there
are
probably
also
some
on
the
delinquent
list
that
are
older,
that
Jordan
ever
had
right,
because
Jordans
only
been
collecting
for
us
for
the
last
ten
years
and
there's
there
would
be
someone
that
delinquent
ones
that
are
older
than
ten
years
I.
Would
you.
C
C
B
B
D
E
And
then
they
preserve
the
property
and
then
we
we
meet
with
them
monthly.
To
get
an
idea
of
you
know
what
what
their
intentions
are.
We
do
a
feasibility
with
them
and
then
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
allows
them
to
participate
in
this
unification
between
us,
between
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
and
CDC's,
to
acquire
properties
and.
B
E
B
B
D
A
B
B
B
B
B
C
So
so
you
have
a
delinquent
property.
Somebody
wants
it,
they
approach
to
say:
I
want
to
buy
that
property
at
that
point
it
yet
it's
not
for
sale
yet
right,
because
it's
still
just
a
delinquent
property
in
some
person's
name
right.
So
then
the
someone
comes
in
says:
I
want
to
buy
that
property.
Okay,
then
they
they
start
the
process.
D
B
C
Well,
this
gets
back
to
the
point
right.
This
gets
back
to
the
idea
that
it's
a
process
that
is
hidden
and
because
it's
so
hidden,
it's
easily
manipulated.
So
let's
say
you
have
something
there's
a
let's
say:
the
ura
has
a
property
that
they
have
put
a
hold
on
and
and
and
a
constituent
comes
to
a
councilmember
and
says
hey
what's
going
on
with
this,
and
that
councilmember
makes
a
couple
calls
and
sure
enough.
A
few
days
later,
there's
no
longer
a
hold
on.
C
What
I'm
saying
is
and
I'm
just
using
that
as
one
example
of
a
system
that
is
easily
manipulated
and
in
that
it's
one
thing
to
operate
right.
It's
another
thing
to
actually
look
like
you're
operating
right,
we're
not
doing
either
of
those
right
now
and
I
use.
The
council
example
just
because
we're
hearing
counsel,
because.
C
I'm
not
sure
this
song
to
you
my
rightful
what
I'm
saying
what
I'm
saying
is,
but
that
process
is
manipulated
from
within
that
process
is
manipulated
by
by
by
the
administration.
That
process
is
administer
it
manipulated
by
you,
know,
friends
who
come
in
and
say:
hey.
Can
you
help
me
with
this
and
it's
and
it's
not
I,
don't
mean
to
point
out
council
because
it
happens
in
every
step
along
the
way
we've
seen
it
I
mean
we've
seen
how
manipulated
this
start.
C
This
structure
is
when
you've
got
a
when
you've
got
a
system
that
takes
years
just
to
approve
a
buyer.
That's
that's
that's
ripe
for
corruption,
that's
the
and
that's
and
that's
what's
happened.
We've
swung
the
door
open
to
corruption
and
fraud
through
this
process,
because
there
aren't
tight
policies
and
procedures
again,
partly
in
large
part,
because
for
the
last
couple
of
years,
we've
relied
on
a
non-existent
land
bank
to
take
over
a
lot
of
this
operation.
Yeah.
The
promise
of
the
land
bank
has
has
really
caused
a
lot
of
these
problems.
So.
B
C
It's
available
on
me
if
you
want
to
review
it
it's
available
on
the
controllers
website
at
the
city,
so
it's
Pittsburgh,
PA
gov,
slash
controller,
and
it
is
the
most
recent
audit,
that's
on
in
the
performance
audit
list
of
audits
that
we
have
on
this.
So
it's
readily
available
and
you
could
pull
it
up
and
print
it
off
or
you
can
pull
it
up
and
read
it
either
way.
Thank.
B
B
An
LLC
from
Florida
applies
to
acquire
property,
and
this
is
one
of
the
things
that,
as
a
council
member
I
motion
to
delete
a
property
for
at
the
controller
audit
spends
a
good
amount
of
time
on
the
fact
that
we
vet
prospective
buyers
but
we're
vetting
them.
If
I'm
incorrect
me
if
I'm
reading
this
incorrectly,
whether
or
not
they
owe
city
of
Pittsburgh
taxes
have
any
city
of
Pittsburgh
citations
and
is
there
anything
else.
Maybe
you
know
are
in
good.
Standing,
basically
is
city
of
Pittsburgh
as
if
they
were
city
of
Pittsburgh
residents.
B
Well,
they're,
not
city
of
Pittsburgh
residents
right.
So
even
if
I
am
a
city,
pittsburgh
resident
and
I
have
lots
us
I
have
a
hundred
citations
on
a
hundred
different
properties
and
I
owe
you
billion
taxes.
Well,
I'm,
just
gonna
set
up
an
LLC
in
Monroeville
and
then
I'm
gonna
apply
to
buy
your
property
you're
gonna,
look
up
that
LLC
and
you're
gonna
find
well
there's
no
citations.
There's
no
liens
you're
good
to
go
right.
Is
that
do
I?
Am
I
portraying
that
accurately
so.
E
B
B
B
One
of
the
ones
that
I
will
just
say
because
I
talked
about
it
here
on,
live
TV.
Some
number
of
years
ago
there
was
a
parcel
in
Lawrenceville.
That
was
when
there
were
still
delinquent
properties
that
you
could
acquire
I,
don't
know
that
there
are
any
right
now
and
it
was
an
upper
Lawrenceville
and
it
was
it
made
it
all
the
way
to
the
table
to
be
approved
for
auction
and/or
for
sale.
B
To
that
perspective,
buyer
and
my
staff
tracked
it
down
to
you
know
it's
basically,
somebody
in
Georgia
who
was
just
really
speculating
and
not
looking
to
to
do
anything
with
the
property
or
didn't
know
what
they
were
doing
right
and
so
I
think
you
have
those
opportunistic
investors
that
we've
seen
before
result
in
FBI
investigations
and
in
federal
mortgage
fraud
cases
with
in
properties
that
are
still
stuck
in
Mount
Washington
that
are
rotting
to
the
ground.
So
can
we
legally
I
guess
my
question
that
only
answer
to
is:
should
we
or
could
we
even?
B
D
C
Don't
think
you
could
get
away
with
that
constitutionally,
but
let
me
just
just
just
so
we're
clear
about
process.
Okay,
if
you
own
property
outside
of
Allegheny
County.
These
situations
are
handled
much
differently
right,
so
in
most
counties
in
Allegheny
County
they
have
what
you
call
tax
claim.
Bureau,
who
oversee
all
the
tax
collection
on
delinquent
properties,
for
every
municipality
within
that
County
Butler
County
is
one
that
I'm
familiar
with,
because
I've
been
involved
in
some
sales
in
that
County.
If
you
do
not
pay
your
taxes,
their
taxes
are
due
in
June.
C
If
the
following
by
the
following
June,
you
have
not
paid
the
taxes
for
that
year,
you,
your
property,
is
listed
for
sale,
that
sale
takes
place
in
September
and
the
property
sold,
whether
you
own
$100
on
it
or
a
million
dollars
on
the
property
that
property
is
sold
to
the
highest
bidder.
It's
publicized
in
the
newspaper.
It's
those
sales
are
very.
They
attract.
A
lot
of
people
come
in
and
bid
on
those
properties.
C
It's
kind
of
harsh
all
right,
I
mean
because
a
lot
of
times
the
notice
isn't
great,
particularly
if
you
live
outside
the
county
and
you
don't
get
the
Butler
Eagle,
the
posting
of
the
property
a
lot
of
times
isn't
particularly
good.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
arguments
around.
Why
that's
a
not
a
great
thing.
C
There
was
recently
a
story
in
Memphis
in
the
poster
in
The
New
York
Times,
about
a
gentleman
from
DC
who
had
lost
the
piece
of
property
in
a
neighborhood
that
was
gentrifying
because
he
was
delinquent
less
than
$300
in
taxes
he
lost
a
property.
That
was
six
figures.
You
know
that
we
don't
want
that
in
Pittsburgh.
C
Right,
but
we
do
need,
we
do,
need
a
process
that
is
more
open
to
competition
and
pricing
than
what
we
have
right
now,
and
you
know
that
that
that
sunlight,
it's
not
going
to
deal
with
every
bad
actor,
who
wants
to
buy
property
and
and
doesn't
deal
with
everyone
who's,
creating
sub
corporations
to
hide
who
they
are,
but
having
a
process
that
lets
people
know
what's
being
sold
and
for
how
much
would
put
an
end
to
a
lot
of
it.
I
would.
B
Like
that
very
much
to
have
a
process
that
people
know
what's
being
sold
and
for
how
much
and
in
addition
it
sounds
like
we
also
have
a
problem
with:
what's
not
being
sold
and
why
so
I
think
there's
a
lot
more
to
talk
about.
Is
there
something
that
I
didn't
ask
you
about
that?
You
know
I.
We
had
opening
comments,
I
think
a
little
bit,
but
I
want
to
give
some
time
for
if
there's
anything
that
you
feel
we
should
be
talking
about
that.
We
haven't
talked
about.
D
No
I
just
want
to
basically
say
that
you
know
that
I
had
said
before
that
this
is
something
that
just
wasn't
created
overnight,
and
this
is
the
price
you
know
this
whole
process
of
the
city
inventory
and
acquiring
properties.
This
has
been
something
that's
been
going
on
for
a
lot
of
administrations.
I
know
I've
been
here
at
least
six
administrations
and,
like
I,
said
the
previous
administration.
D
It
was
you
know
whatever
it
was
delinquent,
we
acquire
you
know,
and
we
end
up
with
this
big
inventory
now
of
property
that
we
can't
sell
so
I
mean
we're.
We,
we,
we
reviewed
and
we've
taken
in
the
controller's
audit
and
we're
looking
at
you
know
making
changes
to
some
of
our
processes.
But
what
other
people
should
keep
in
mind
too?
Is
that
don't
in
the
process
of
acquiring
the
property?
D
There
are
court
dates
that
you
know
we
have
no
control
over
scheduling
these
properties
to
quiet
the
title
you
know:
that's
that's
a
process
that
we
have
no
control
over,
so
I
guess
the
bottom
line
is
we're
doing
the
best
we
can.
You
know
right
now
with
this
big
inventory,
but
there
is
always
room
for
improvement,
but
you're
looking
at
you
know
improving
some
of
the
the
process.
This
isn't
the
way
we
advertise
the
property
for
sale
and
the
way
we
advertise
it
to
the
public.
C
B
I
think
we
can
all
look
forward
to
just
having
more.
We
should
have
more
public
discussion
about
this.
These
are
very
big
multi-part
policy
right,
so
we
got
to
dig
into
this
idea
of
the
the
inventory
and
how
what
things
come
to
say
on
what
don't
and
how
those
are
disposed
of
today,
but
I
do
think.
There's
there's
a
great
deal
more
to
talk
about.
Ok,
that
will
adjourn.
Thank
you.