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A
B
C
405
ordnance,
supplementing
the
pispur
code
of
ordinances,
title
1,
administrative
article,
3
organization,
chapter
116,
department
of
public
safety
to
add
a
new
subsection
116.02,
a
duty
to
intervene
by
requiring
sworn
and
unsworn
police
employees
and
officers
to
stop
or
attempt
to
stop
another
employee
or
officer
from
applying
inappropriate
force
or
knowingly
deprive
any
person
of
constitutionally
or
statutorily
guaranteed
right
bill.
406
ordnance,
supplementing
the
pispur
code
of
ordinances,
title
1,
administrative
article,
1,
general
provisions,
chapter
103,
official
standards
by
adding
new
subsection
103.06
prohibition
of
acquisition
of
military
equipment
or
weaponry
bill.
C
B
Budget,
thank
you
and
I
I'm
going
to
give
everyone
a
chance
to
go
around
and
say
who's
who's
on
zoom
with
us
who's
joining
us
for
this
meeting.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
this.
Some
people
who
really
helped
me
at
the
last
minute,
including
brandy
fisher,
who
I
called
at
the
last
minute,
said
I
need
some.
You
know
additional
speakers
and
she
wanted
to
make
sure
it
was
more
balanced.
B
So
we
added
a
couple
people-
and
I
want
to
thank
them
for
joining
us
at
the
last
minute
and
for
the
clerk's
office
and
imp
for
their
help
and
pulling
this
all
together.
B
I'm
going
to
make
a
few
comments
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
reverend
burgess,
I'm
going
to
have
everyone
introduce
ourselves
and
we're
going
to
turn
it
over
to
reverend
burgess
to
talk
about
his
bills
a
little
bit
and
he
might
have
a
staff
member
read
those,
but
I
just
really
want
to
say
that
when
all
these
things
start
happening
in
the
city,
you
know
I
I
tell
people,
I
come
from
a
family
where
everybody
wants
to
fix
everything.
Everybody
wants
to
help
everybody.
B
Everybody
wants
to
hear
and
figure
out
what
we
can
do,
but
we
were
always
very
diverse,
I'm
very
united
in
many
ways-
and
I
tell
people
stories
about
my
family
during
the
martin
luther
king
right.
So
my
mother,
I
said
you
wonder
why
I'm
a
ball
of
confusion
and
can
understand
every
side
of
everything
all
the
time.
I
said
during
those
riots,
my
mother
left.
We
lived
on
fifth
avenue
and
she
left
the
front
door
open
and
allowed.
B
There
was
military
people
back
then
on
fifth
avenue
fires
all
over
the
place
and
she
opened
her
front
door
and
left
it
open
on
fifth
avenue
and
people
would
come
in
both
the
military,
the
military
people,
the
police
fire.
I
remember
ems,
I'm
sure
they
were
there
and
you
know
I
was
young
and
then
the
protesters
and
writers
would
come
in.
B
B
It's
so
concerning
to
me
and
I
feel,
like
everybody
needs
to
have
their
voice
heard
and
we
need
to
hear
from
all
people-
and
I
think
that
was
abundantly
clear
during
the
protest-
is
that
a
lot
of
people
feel
like
they're,
not
heard,
and
so,
but
having
said
that,
I
also
have
a
son
who's,
a
police
officer,
and
I
have
a
son
who
is
yelling
defund
the
police
and
I
have
a
daughter
in
the
middle
saying,
can't
we
all
just
get
along.
So
I
have
a
little
bit
of
everything
in
my
family.
B
That's
it's
weird
on
our
on
us
personally,
so
we
want
to
see
some
solutions
and
I
think
somewhere
there's
got
to
be
a
lot
of
us
that
want
to
see
some
good
things
had
come
from
this,
and
there's
got
to
be
some
middle
ground
here
somewhere,
where
we
can
come
together
and
realize
that
pittsburgh
can
do
things
differently
than
other
places,
because
we
do
care
so
much
about
one
another,
and
so
with
that
said,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
reverend
burgess
and
let
him
and
talk
about
his
bills.
B
But
first,
let's
go
around
and
talk
about
who's
all
here,
I'm
theresa,
kel
smith,
city
council
for
district,
two
and
council
president,
and
I
can
call
for
the
post
agendas
and
reverend
burgess
I'll
say.
Who
else
is
here
reverend
burgess.
F
Good
morning,
council
president
councilman
krauss
thor
council
district.
Thank
you
for
posting
today.
Thank
you.
G
H
Good
morning,
bobby
wilson
district,
one
thanks
for
hosting.
B
Yeah,
okay,
is
that
it
for
council
members,
okay,
and
so
then,
let's
start
with
the
public
safety
director
and
start
introducing,
whoever
you
have
with
you
or
let
them
allow
them
to
introduce
yourselves
good.
J
B
B
B
K
Good
morning,
kevin
pauls,
director
of
the
office
management
and
budget.
B
J
L
B
P
Good
morning,
president
smith,
kell
smith,
olivia
liv
bennett,
county
council
for
district
13,
public
safety,
chair
and
also
part
of
the
black
activist
collective.
B
Thank
you
thank
you
for
being
here,
especially
on
short
notice.
Do
we
have
should
do
we
have
chatera
murphy?
Is
she
part
of
this
meeting
chair?
Are
you
here.
B
R
Good
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
keisha
gomez,
I'm
the
co-founder
and
executive
director
of
hope
for
tomorrow,
and
here
with
me,
I
have
a
couple
of
our
youth
amanda
hall,
dj
reed,
cashmere,
ralph,
darius,
jeter
and
kimberly
fleming.
B
Thank
you,
thank
you
so
much
and
I
think,
and
then
we
have
sean
carter
from
reverend
burgess's
office
as
well
and,
of
course,
our
clerk
in
kirk's
office.
So
with
that
said,
we're
going
to
hear
first
from
reverend
burgess
and
his
bills
a
little
bit
about
his
bills
and
then
we'll
turn
over
to
the
public
safety
director
and
his
team.
D
All
right,
so,
thank
you
very
much
for
this
moment.
We
are
certainly
looking
at
how
we
can
move
policing
forward
in
our
city
differently
and
that's
really
the
broader
conversation.
D
The
bills
that
we
have
on
the
agenda
are
simply
the
first
step
of
a
much
deeper,
broader
conversation,
and
I
think
this
conversation
today
will
be
beyond
our
bills.
We've
had
a
public
hearing
about
our
bills,
but
certainly
they
may
come
up
in
this
discussion.
So
very
very
briefly:
we're
going
to
ask
sean
carter
for
my
office
to
very
quickly
go
over
the
bills
that
I've
sponsored
along
with
the
bill
that
commented
on
sponsored
and
then
we'll
simply
listen
to
policing
in
general,
from
various
stakeholders.
Sean.
S
S
We'll
start
with
the
bill
prohibiting
the
acquisition
of
military
equipment
by
the
city
and
the
police,
bureau,
reverend
burgess
and
councilman
lavelle
do
not
believe
that
the
bureau
needs
armored
personnel
carriers,
tanks
and
helicopter
gunships
or
military
weapons
of
war
that
are
acquired
through
the
law
enforcement
support
programs
at
the
united
states
department
of
defense
or
from
other
sources,
and
so
that
is
the
genesis
of
council
bill.
2020
406.,
there's
still
some
work.
S
That
needs
to
be
done
on
that
because
we
have
to
make
sure
the
police
officers
can
buy
bulletproof,
vests
and
things
of
that
nature.
But,
like
reverend
burgess
has
said,
this,
is
the
bureau
of
police
not
the
army's
third
infantry
division,
and
it
should
look
and
operate
like
that.
S
So,
there's
still
some
work
to
be
done
on
that
bill,
working
with
the
department
of
public
safety
and
that's
in
process,
but
that's
where
we
are
with
council
bill
406
and
then
405,
since
I'm
going
in
that
order
is
the
duty
to
intervene
which
requires
police
officers
when
they
see
other
police
officers
violating
somebody's
constitutional
rights,
whether
it's
a
chokehold,
whether
it's
a
false
report,
whether
it's
a
false
statement,
they
have
to
tell
somebody
in
police
command
and
they
have
the
authority
under
this
ordinance
to
bypass
their
sergeant
their
lieutenant
their
commander
and
go
straight
to
the
police
chief
straight
to
the
public
safety
director
and,
if
need
be,
the
mayor
to
make
sure
that
this
information
is
brought
to
the
brought
to
the
fore
and
that
something
is
done
about
it.
S
You
can
see
it's
happening
in
other
cities,
minneapolis
dallas
added
to
their
police
policy.
I
believe
minneapolis
made
a
deal
with
their
legislature
so
that
they
could
enter
so
that
they
could
implement
it.
We
do
have
to
limit
its
scope
because
the
city's
police
powers
don't
extend
outside
of
the
city.
So
it's
important
that
we
adjust
that
next
is
to
stop
the
violence
fund,
which
reverend
burgess
and
councilman
lavelle
wanted
to
create.
S
Officially,
as
a
trust
fund
of
the
city
to
place
dollars
in
that
fund,
equal
to
in
the
first
year
would
be
five
percent
of
whatever
the
police
department's
budget
is,
and
that
would
raise
one
percent
each
year
until
it
hits
10
percent,
because
our
experience
and
the
research
shows
us
that
when
we
put
people
in
the
communities
to
deal
with
at
risk,
normally
young
men,
but
also
young
women,
we
have
a
better
chance
of
stopping
people
from
shooting
people
and
stopping
the
violence
that
we
get
to
violence
and
the
violence.
S
That
creates
the
hostility
that
some
of
us
experience
in
our
own
neighborhoods.
And
so
that's
why
the
stop?
The
violence
fund
is
there
and
that's
attached
to
bill
410,
which
is
the
hiring
freeze
in
the
bureau
of
police,
because
reverend
burgess
and
councilman
lavelle
heard
the
public.
We
have
to
re-envision
the
bureau
we
have
to.
We
have
to
slow
it
down.
S
We
have
to
have
serious
discussions
about
what
police
should
be
doing
and
how
many
police
officers
we
need
and
all
the
options
should
be
on
the
table,
and
so
reverend
burgess
and
councilman
lavelle
are
beginning
with
a
hiring
freeze
so
that
this
discussion
can
begin
in
earnest
and
I'm
sure
it'll
be
a
robust
discussion
and
reverend
burgess
and
councilman
lavillo
are
looking
forward
to
it
and
then
yes,
councilman
lavelle
and
councilman
burgess
also
introduced
legislation
that
prohibits
choke
holds
in
various
physically
dangerous
suppression
techniques.
I
believe
it's
primarily
choke
hold.
S
We
all
saw
what
happened
to
minneapolis
and
we've
seen
it
happen
in
other
cities
and
although
under
pennsylvania
law,
they're,
not
legal,
it's
necessary
to
put
this
in
our
own
administrative
code
so
that
it
can
be
enforced
as
a
matter
of
department
policy,
not
just
as
a
matter
of
state
criminal
law.
I
think
I've
touched
on
all
of
the
bills.
Reverend
burgess
did.
I
miss
one.
B
I
Schubert
morning
once
again-
and
we
certainly
appreciate
the
time
and
look
forward
to
the
discussion
as
reverend
burgess
and
councilman
lavelle,
both
know
over
the
last
several
weeks,
we
have
been
working
with
them
and,
mr
carter,
a
lot
of
the
discussion,
has
been
open
between
myself,
the
chief
members
of
his
viewer
of
pittsburgh
bureau
police,
as
well
as
the
law
department.
I
I
I
The
legislation
here
I
and
like
I
say,
open
discussion,
the
and
I'll
just
touch
base.
You
know
the
the
weapons
that
we
receive
from
dod.
We
don't
receive
any
weapons
from
dod
and
I
just
would
like
to
caution
counselors.
I
believe
either
the
reverend
or
sean
mentioned
that
we
would
want
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
receive
surplus
equipment
in
order
to
save
lives,
meaning
for
floods,
for
instance,
or
for
protection
of
the
first
responders,
but
as
far
as
the
armory,
the
armored
vehicles,
bullets,
etc.
I
We
do
not
receive
any
of
that
from
the
military,
and
I
I
will
leave
it
to
chief
schubert
to
get
into
further,
but
I
mean
the
choke
holds.
That's
already
been
written
in
policy,
I
mean,
through
the
last
several
years,
we've
become
very
transparent,
with
putting
many
of
our
policies
online
for
the
public
to
see
there
are
a
few
exceptions
and
that's
once
again
for
security
purposes.
I
We
certainly
don't
want
to
put
out
sensitive
information.
We
still
have
to
have
protections
for
our
officers.
As
far
as
the
funding
I
mean,
I
think,
once
again,
that's
an
open
discussion.
I
The
hiring
freeze,
I
think,
there'll,
be
an
open
dialogue
on
that,
but
I
just
want
to
once
again
caution
that
you
know
this
administration,
since
I've
been
here,
has
been
able
to
get
back
up
to
full
staffing
and
there
is
a
lot
of
officers
talking
about
retirement
and
I
don't
want
to
drop
below
a
level
that
would
put
the
public
in
danger.
I
So
I
think
that
you
know
it's
unfortunate.
I
think
that
everyone
in
pittsburgh
bureau
police
agree
that
the
incident
that
happened
in
minneapolis
should
not
have
happened,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
our
policies
reflect
that
that
never
happens
in
pittsburgh
and
that
there
is,
as
you
mentioned,
a
mechanism
for
officers
and
once
again
I'll
leave
that
to
the
chief
to
explain
that
mechanism
and
things
that
his
administration
instilled
to
make
sure
that
if
an
officer
on
the
street
sees
something
that's
wrong,
that
it
can
be
immediately
reported
up
the
chain.
I
I
I
would
just
start
out
by
saying
that
chief
schubert
has
had
27
years
in
the
pittsburgh
bureau
of
police
he's
moved
up
through
every
rank
in
the
police,
he's
very
open.
You
still
see
him
out
there
on
the
street
with
the
officers
and
it's
been
a
pleasure
and
an
honor
to
be
to
work
with
them
for
the
last
three
three
years.
So,
chief
schubert,
if
you
will.
F
F
You
can
hear
okay,
so
one
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
for
putting
this
together,
council
members
and
members
of
the
public
and
other
entities
for
giving
us
an
opportunity
to
be
a
part
of
this.
F
I
think,
after
the
the
murder
of
mr
floyd
in
minneapolis,
I
think
it
was
an
eye-opener
for
a
lot
of
people.
It
was
something
that
bothered
all
of
us
to
see
a
person.
A
man
die
in
front
of
our
eyes
to
watch
him.
Take
his
last
breath
affected
everybody,
it's
something
that
shouldn't
have
happened
and
we
got
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
happen
again.
F
So
I
look
forward
to
the
meaningful
change
on
what
we
can
do
in
pittsburgh
and
over
the
last,
as
the
director
said,
I've
been
on
the
department
for
20
27
years.
I
love
pittsburgh.
F
I
love
everything
about
it
and
I
love
being
a
pittsburgh
police
officer.
It's
all
I
ever
wanted
to
do.
It
would
be
easy
to
just
retire
with
all
of
this
that's
going
on
and
to
me
I
could
never
do
that.
Now
is
an
opportunity
to
help
bring
the
city
of
pittsburgh
together
more
together
than
we
ever
have,
and
we
can
work
together
to
make
our
police
department
and
our
city
a
better
place,
so
I'm
committed
to
that
I'm
in
it
for
the
for
the
long
haul.
F
I
don't
wanna.
I
don't
wanna
boast
about
the
pittsburgh
police,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we're
doing
that
make
us
a
benchmark
in
policing,
especially
in
pennsylvania,
but
I'd,
say
even
further
out
across
the
country.
F
We
were
very
disappointed
when
that
stopped,
but
we
continue
on
with
what
we
do.
Based
on
what
we
learned
from
the
national
initiative,
and
you
know
we,
I
wish
that
something.
The
federal
government
would
bring
back
and
include
more
departments
because
it
worked
with
helping
to
really
improve
how
we
look
with
building
community
trust
with
the
in
in
law
enforcement
in
the
community.
F
One
of
the
things
with
the
the
national
initiative
as
well
is
changing
how
we
do
things
as
far
as
policy
changing
how
we
do
things
as
far
as
transparency
changing
how
we
do
things
as
far
as
training
changing
how
we
do
things
as
far
as
technology
and
equipment
and
all
that
stems
from
the
national
initiative
and
all
that
stems
from
21st
century
policing
under
presidential
president
obama's
commission.
F
That
started
in
the
end
of
2014,
which
put
a
lot
of
people
together
to
see
what
was
going
on
in
our
country
and
how
we
could
do
things
better
in
law
enforcement.
And
it
was
a
very
diverse
group
of
subject
matter.
Experts
from
across
the
country-
and
there
was
someone
there
that
you
know
I
looked
to
as
a
mentor
from
other
police
agencies
over
over
the
years,
and
they
put
the
report
together
and
they
laid
it
out.
F
What
policing
should
look
like
and
we've
been
active
since
2015,
is
when
the
final
report
came
out
and
we've
hit
a
lot
of
those
benchmarks
going
through
what
was
put
out
and
we're
very
proud
of
of
what
we
put
together
and
when
you
look
at
whether
it's
the
eight
can't
wait
and
some
other
things
to
include
some
of
these
ordinances,
which
we
support,
the
no
chokehold
the
duty
to
intervene.
Those
are
things
that
are
already
in
our
policy
that
have
been
in
our
policy
for
many
years.
So
codifying
it.
That's
that's
great.
F
We
still
do
it.
You
know
we're
hoping
with
what
we
do
and
I've
heard
somebody
mentioned
it
before
about
other
agencies
outside
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
You
know,
I
think
that,
hopefully
we
can
be
that
benchmark,
but
we
can
do
everything
within
the
city
of
pittsburgh
right.
Q
F
What
does
that
look
like?
So
you
have
some
universal
consistency
across
the
nation
and
so
there's
equity
in
each
of
those
departments.
So
you
don't
have
a
department,
local
department
that
had
no
policies
at
all.
F
F
Some
people
would
think
that
the
consent
decree
was
a
bad
thing,
but
in
all
reality
it
was
a.
It
was
a
thing
of
getting
things
right
and
I
think
that
goes
into
play
with
the
21st
century
policing
now,
but
through
the
consent
decree,
it
forced
police
departments
to
do
what
was
right
and
with
that
brought
a
lot
of
funding
for
the
technology
in
the
training
to
change
our
policies,
to
change
our
training,
to
get
us
to
use
computers
that
we
didn't
even
have
to
to
start
an
early
warning
system.
F
And
then
we
saw
the
creation
of
the
citizens
review
board,
which
I
see
miss
pininger.
Here,
who's
been
here
from
the
beginning
to
see
the
city
go
through
the
distressed
city,
where
a
lot
of
things
were
cut
over
the
years,
a
lot
of
the
things
that
were
keeping
us
going,
but
not
there
to
help
us
with
other
things
because
of
the
funding
with
the
police,
department
and
other
other
departments
in
this
in
a
city.
F
And
then,
when
mayor
peduto
came
in
in
2014,
that
was
a
big
priority
of
him
to
help
change
and
put
the
money
in
a
leadership
into
the
pittsburgh
police
department
to
ensure
that
we
had
officers
on
the
street
to
ensure
that
our
hiring
practices
which
don't
come
through
the
pittsburgh
police
they're
through
hr.
Those
are
the
ones
who
do
all
the
process,
but
working
with
the
aclu
and
other
entities
to
come
up
with
a
process
that
is
used
today.
F
One
of
the
best
processes
I've
seen
from
the
city
that
I
think
ver
is
very
helpful
for
hiring
is
the
monthly
testing
the
fact
that
you
can
go
and
take
a
test
and
you
go
through
that
whole
list.
So
it
doesn't
matter
if
you're,
100
or
80
on
this
on
the
list.
You're
it's
going
to
get
to
you
and
then
you
go
to
the
next
month.
F
So
everybody
has
an
opportunity
to
get
on
the
police
department,
which
I
think
is
so
much
better
than
you
know,
having
a
lot
of
people
taking
a
test
and
you
may
sit
on
there
for
three
years
and
we
lose
people
because
they
take
other
jobs
or
go
somewhere
else.
F
So
I
think
there's
a
lot,
that's
good
with
that,
but
with
everything
there's
a
chance
to
make
things
better
and
I
think
through
meaningful
discussion
and
partnership,
we
can
do
that.
So
I
look
forward
to
having
this
discussion
not
just
now,
but
as
we
move
forward
the
transparency,
the
equipment,
the
training
that
we've
had
just
even
the
last
few
years,
it's
due
to
the
funding
from
city
council
for
helping
us
out.
I
can
talk
about
the
bills
as
we
get
them
one
of
the
things
the
armored
vehicles.
F
I
would
just
say
we
really
need
to
take
a
look
at
that.
That's
a
critical
piece
of
equipment
to
help
protect
the
citizens
and
the
officers
for
anybody
that
saw
the
tree
of
life
in
many
other
incidents
that
helps
save
the
officers
that
help
save
the
public
they're
designed.
So
you
can
get
people
out
of
the
way
who
are
stuck
in
the
line
of
fire.
So
that's
that's
one
that
I
really
have
a
concern
with
any
other
being
with
the
with
the
freeze.
F
You
know
we're
at
a
level
right
now
that
I
think
we're
good,
even
with
as
people
retire
but
depending
on
how
long
there's
a
freeze
is
gonna
could
potentially
impact
what
our
numbers
look
like
in
2021
and
2022,
depending
on
how
many
people
retire
and
we're
we're
a
newer
organization.
So
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
change
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
excited
about,
because
we
have
an
opportunity
to
mentor
people
for
the
future
with
it.
But
we.
F
Like
myself,
a
lot
of
people
who
have
been
on
for
25
to
40
years
and
my
concern
with
that
is
our
minority
population
on
the
pittsburgh
police
for
people
of
keller
is
just
under
13
and
as
we
lose
people
to
retirement
in
2021,
depending
on
how
long
there's
a
freeze
that
number
is
going
to
go
down
and
the
number
of
bringing
candidates
in
if
it's
not
there,
that
number
is
going
to
drop
even
more
dramatically
and
I'm
a
full
supporter.
F
I've
always
have
of
diversity
within
the
pittsburgh,
police
and
and
I'll
continue
to,
and
I
thank
you
for
your
for
your
time.
Thank.
B
You
chief,
thank
you
very
much
and
before
we
go
on
to
the
others,
I
really
have
a
group,
a
special
group
to
me
of
students
from
hope
for
tomorrow
and
they
have
somewhere
to
go
because
they're.
So
amazing.
Not
only
are
they
doing
this
today
and
they're
working
on
things
with
police,
community
relations,
but
they're
doing
some
work
in
sheridan
today,
volunteering
with
some
groups,
I'm
going
to
give
them
a
chance,
keisha
gomez.
R
Sure
then,
thank
you
again
good
morning.
All
again,
my
name
is
keisha
gomez
and
I'm
the
co-founder
and
executive
director
of
hope
for
tomorrow,
and
we
are
a
non-profit
organization
based
in
the
west
end
of
pittsburgh.
R
Our
mission
is
to
develop
youth
and
families
in
the
west
end
to
compete
in
the
global
community
by
addressing
academic,
socioeconomic
and
relational
risk
factors.
We
execute
our
mission
by
offering
year-round
programming
to
both
the
youth
and
adults,
where
we
focus
on
academic
enrichment
and
life.
Skill
classes,
including
entrepreneurship,
financial
literacy,
character,
development,
police
relations,
monthly
parent
meetings
and
workshops,
and
much
more
families
enter
our
program
at
the
third
grade
level,
and
they
continue
in
our
program
through
to
their
second
year
post-secondary.
R
B
U
Thank
you,
and
also
thank
you,
miss
teresa
smith,
good
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
amanda
hall
and
I
am
a
recent
class
of
2020
high
school
graduate.
I
am
joined
by
my
colleagues,
cashmere
dj,
darius
and
kimberlin
for
entering
the
9th
and
10th
grade
next
year.
Thank
you
for
allowing
us
for
a
few
brief
minutes
to
share
our
findings.
U
Here's
our
why
the
police
can
be
an
asset
and
communal
outreach
and
can
act
as
the
bridge
between
everyday
citizens,
higher
law,
officials
and
politicians,
but
so
can
other
social,
social
services
and
community
groups
with
more
recreational
activities
for
residents,
job
readiness,
programs,
proper
behavior,
counseling,
additional
social
workers
and
increased
funding
for
schools.
Crime
rates
can
go
down.
U
U
The
idea
of
defunding
the
police
system
can
go
into
play
and
has
has
gone
into
play
and
has
been
under
a
year-long
process
that
the
city
which
once
had
residents
that
despise
the
police
and
had
murder
rates
that
were
devastating
to
any
community
in
our
nation.
They
have
lowered
the
crime
rate
and
improved
police
involvement
in
community
outings,
such
as
block
parties.
V
V
W
V
Has
to
work
directly
with
us:
we've
had
officers
come
in
to
teach
cooking
classes
all
summer
coming
on
tuesdays
and
thursdays
for
tutoring
they've
joined
the
organization's
board
of
directors
and
even
recorded
dance
videos
that
went
many
viral.
Even
today
we
have
a
basketball
game
scheduled
with
scheduled
against
sergeant
tiffany,
kline,
costa
officer,
bradford
officer,
meg
and
officer
don.
We
have
an
appreciation
and
respect
for
the
police
officers,
just
as
they
do
for
us.
T
B
You,
I
think
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
cornell
jones
and
jay
gilmore
and
then
we'll
hear
from
beth
pittenger
sound.
M
M
First
of
all,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you,
madam
president.
Again
and
you
know
for
tomorrow,
you
guys
are
amazing.
It's
an
honor
to
go
after
you,
guys
too
just
wanted
to
share
a
couple
things
about
some
of
the
a
lot
of
times
people
know
about.
You
know,
group
violence,
interventions,
outreach
teams,
but
they
don't
know
what
they
do.
You
know
just
from
some
brainstorming
for
the
last
days
I
said,
let
me
just
make
sure
that
people
know
the
importance
of
the
work.
That's
being
done.
M
M
B
B
M
M
B
M
Thank
you
all
right,
good
stuff,
so,
but
what
I
was
saying
was
that
you
know
the
team
that
we're
blessed
to
have
has
been
working
extremely
hard
dealing
with
street
street
violence
basis.
They
work
full-time
jobs
after
work
or
even
before
work.
They
deal
with
the
street
violence.
That's
going
on.
You
know.
People
know
the
gpa
team
as
the
our
teams
that's
going
to
the
crime
scenes
creating
confluence
street
intervention.
M
People
don't
know
that
on
the
right
basis
that
these
that
this
team
is
actually
mentoring.
Young
people
in
the
field
you
know
going
to
to
football
games.
Basketball
games
go
going
and
making
sure
that
the
those
games
are
being
going
into
the
schools
on
a
regular
basis
to
be
able
to
help.
You
know
work
with
a
lot
of
the
people
that
people
are
giving
up
on
before.
M
To
the
lifestyle
that
they
were
dealing
with
before
and
what
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
too,
is
after
a
a
shooting,
you
know
it's
the
it's,
the
outreach
team
of
going
to
the
future
and
working
with
the
families,
with
the
support
that
he
didn't
work
with,
at
least
to
make
sure
that
the
families
be
able
to
grieve
properly.
That's
extremely
dangerous-
and
you
know
the
coveted
situation
that
we've
been
dealing
with.
M
There's
been
a
lot
of
feeding
people
going
to
people's
houses
going
to
people's
locations
to
go
to
feed
them,
and-
and
you
know,
through
this
process,
we've
been
dealing
with
a
lot
of
mental
health
and
helping
people
get
jobs.
And
really
you
know
it's
really
helping
to
change
as
much
as
possible.
B
We'll
keep
having
a
lot
of
difficulty.
I
don't
know
if
it's
just
me,
but
I'm
having
a
lot
of
difficulty.
I
don't
know
what's
going
on,
I
don't
know
whenever
you
do
that
it
sounds
great
and
then
we
go
back
and
then
it
starts
again.
So
let's
try
it
when
we're
finishing
it
up
and
then
we'll
go
on
to
somebody
else
and
try
to
figure
out
what's
going
on.
Is
this
better
right
here.
M
Yes,
much
more,
I
apologize
so
I'm
gonna
be
very
fast.
I'm
gonna
go
very
fast
on
this,
but
yeah
we've
been
doing
all
these
things,
but
people
don't
understand
that
we've
been
mentoring,
you
know
going
into
the
schools
to
be
able
to
stop
exercise
to
be
able
to
help.
M
People
who
you
know
are,
are
you
know
dealing
with
a
lot
of
issues
to
be
able
to
help
mentor
them
through
that
process,
dealing
with
funerals
of
lost
loved
ones
and
and
much
more
feeding,
people
on
a
regular
basis
and
dealing
with
a
lot
of
mental
health
of
people
that
were
blessed
to
serve,
and
you
know
helping
people
with
jobs
and
things
such
as
that?
So
you
know
this
is
this
is
really
like
a
full-time
position,
but
we've
been
like
five
hours
working
about
you
know.
M
Q
Yes,
your
sounds
is
still
a
little
botchy,
so
I
can
jump
in
and
I
can
help
you.
Q
Okay,
so
something.
B
Q
Hear
me:
yes
right,
okay,
so
we
talk
a
lot
about
investing
in
our
communities
and
and
what
does
that
look
like?
And
so,
when
we
talk
about
our
our
street
outreach
workers,
I
feel
like
they're,
a
hidden
gem
that
we
don't
invest
in
enough.
I'm
a
huge
advocate
for
the
work
that
they
do.
We
want
to
employ
people
from
our
communities
to
help
resolve
issues
within
our
communities
and
people
who
are
from
those
communities
and
people
who
look
like
the
individuals
that
are
in
those
communities.
Q
Our
outreach
workers
do
phenomenal
work
when
we
talk
about
social
services,
they're
already
being
social
workers
and
in
a
non-traditional
sense.
They're
in
the
schools
and
you'd,
be
surprised
to
know
that
some
of
the
teachers
contact
them
before
they
the
outreach
workers
before
they
contact
a
parent
because
they're
more
reliable
and
they
can
actually
reach
them.
They
have
someone
who
can
make
that
connection
with
those
students,
and
you
know
that
they
can't
do
it
to
the
best
of
their
ability,
because
they're
all
employed
part-time.
Q
So
when
there
is
a
need
in
the
community-
and
we
know
that
we
have
the
correct
people
to
address
that
need
they're
at
another
job,
and
so
they
can't
necessarily
help
in
the
capacity
that
we
need
them
to
help.
And
so
we
talk
about
trauma
and
mental
health,
and
you
know
that's
a
whole
system
in
itself
and
we
all
know
our
african-american
community
we're
not
open
to
these
systems.
Q
These
systems
aren't
inviting
to
us
and
they're
not
welcoming
for
us,
but
we
are
open
to
working
with
our
outreach
workers,
who
can
then
talk
to
our
community
members
about
the
important
importance
of
receiving
proper
care
when
they've
experienced
traumatic
incidents.
What
does
mental
health
look
like
in
these
communities
and
how
do
we
get
those
individuals
to
get
the
proper
care
that
they
need?
Q
Having
someone
actually
mediate
situations
between
our
officers
and
the
community
members
because
a
lot
of
times
it
is
a
misunderstanding,
and
so
when
having
that
familiar
person
that
familiar
body
that
both
parties
can
relate
to,
and
it's
kind
of
like
the
voice
of
neutrality,
if
you
will,
that
goes
a
long
way.
But
again
I
emphasize
we
need
to
invest
more
into
our
street
outreach
workers.
I
don't
think
that
it's
an
option,
it's
something
that
we
have
to
do.
Q
If
we
really
want
to
have
that
honest
conversation
of
you
know,
how
do
we
do
what's
best
for
our
communities?
We
have
folks
already
doing
the
job
and
they
do
it.
They
do
a
great
job
at
it.
I
encourage
you
all.
If
you
have
not
sat
down
to
talk
with
an
outreach
worker
individually,
you
know
you
can
go
through
cornell.
He
can
help
you
with
that.
Q
He
can
set
that
up
and
actually
you
guys
and
speaking
specifically
to
counsel
and
actually
hear
some
of
the
things
from
their
own
mouths
of
what
they
deal
with
on
a
daily
basis
on
a
part-time
salary
but
they're,
giving
their
all
and
they're
already
doing
this
work.
They
they
love
it,
and
so
why
not
just
continue
to
have
them
do
this
on
a
full-time
basis.
Q
They
are
always
there
for
us
when
we
need
them
and
when
we
talk
about
reliable
people,
we
have
the
individuals
from
our
community
who
are
very
reliable
and
who
want
to
be
proactive
in
making
the
necessary
changes.
I
spent
some
time
and
here's
my
testimony.
Q
I
spent
some
time
with
our
outreach
workers
just
in
a
meeting
with
them-
and
I
said
just
tell
me
some
of
the
things
that
you
guys
have
done
this
week:
they've
they
rattled
off
over
20
things
that
fall
under
a
social
work,
a
sector
20
different
things,
and,
to
my
surprise
I
said
wow.
How
do
you
find
time
to
do
all
of
that?
And
they
really
don't
have
the
time
but
they're
making
it?
And
so,
when
we
talk
about
you
know
what
do
we
want
to
do
with
funds?
Q
B
Okay,
thank
you
chair
and
now
we'll
move
on
to
beth
pittinger.
X
L
Director
you're
hearing
about
a
lot
of
really
great-
you
know
things
that
have
been
happening.
I
I
concur
with
what
chief
schubert
described
in
the
last
10
15
years.
The
bureau
of
police
has
completely
transitioned
to
a
whole,
entirely
different
operating
philosophy.
L
It's
it's
critically
important
that
we
also
recognize,
I
think,
chief
mentioned
kind
of
slowing
down
and
looking
at
the
level
of
equipment
and
and
the
kinds
of
things
that
they
will
be
permitted
under
this
proposal
to
continue
to
purchase
because
of
the
the
unique
circumstances
that
some
units
of
the
bureau
of
police
run
into
I'm
talking
about
those
specialized
units.
We
wouldn't
want
to
cut
that
off
if
they
require
some
armored
vehicle.
That's
not
a
bad
thing.
It's
not
a
good
thing
to
use
on
patrol,
but
it
is
necessary
for
some
critical
incidents.
L
So
I
would
concur
that
we
need
to
kind
of
let's
talk
about.
What
do
we
mean
exactly
in
terms
of
the
limitations
on
the
military
equipment?
I
mean
that's
that
goes
to
some
subjective
interpretation
as
well,
but,
overall,
I
think
what
we're
seeing
is
the
importance
of.
L
The
social
work
support
that
chaterra
mentioned
that
cornell
has
been
nurturing.
Our
board
chair,
dr
emma
lucas,
darby,
is
working
at
pit
developing
a
police
social
work
curriculum.
L
L
L
We
should
be
supporting
the
development
of
that,
but
we
need
that
support
to
come
from
the
people
who
are
required
to
provide
it
to
the
county
of
which
we
are
apart.
The
department
of
human
services
has
those
people
they
have
money
and
they
can
be
subsidizing.
This
whole
system
of
outreach-
that's
community,
driven,
neighborhood
driven,
but
not
at
the
expense
of
the
city.
Trying
to
replicate
a
system
that
already
exists
and
is
available
to
our
our
our
community
as
well
the
mental
health
intervention.
L
Similarly,
there
is
an
entire
pot
of
resources
out
there
to
create
and
and
implement
a
a
a
system
where
people
who
are
in
need
and
there's
a
critical
incident
or
crisis
going
on
that
our
officers
are
not
put
in
the
position
where
they
are
responsible
for
intervening.
L
So
we
need
to
develop
those
teams
that
can
be
readily
available
and
can
be
deployed
when
appropriate,
but
certainly
not
expect
to
send
a
team
of
social
workers
in
to
intervene
in
a
domestic
situation
it
has
to
be.
There
has
to
be
that
that
team
component,
that
team
ability
to
address
the
multi-needs
of
our
neighbors
and
neighborhoods,
but
not
restricted
to
just
one
or
the
other.
It
has
to
be
a
team
approach.
L
The
board
has,
as
you
know,
reverend
burgess
had
proposed
a
a
referendum
amendment
to
the
home
rule
charter,
that
we
thank
council
for
entertaining
considering
reviewing
and
preliminarily.
Approving
the
board,
too,
wants
to
have
the
ability
to
expand
to
its
capacity
to
support
those
neighborhood
initiatives
that
are
out
there
to
be
more
engaged
with
the
community
at
large.
We
are
under
resourced.
We
do
not
have
the
resources
nor
the
the
capacity
right
now
to
do
all
the
things
that
we
could
do
that
we
desire
to
do
and
what
ends
up
happening.
L
Is
everybody
evaluates
the
board
based
on
something
that's
quantifiable,
and
that
is
only
a
quantifiable
thing.
We
do
is
investigate
complaints
and
that's
hardly
a
reflective
of
all
the
work.
That's
been
done
with
the
bureau
of
police
and
their
own
change,
as
well
as
the
work
that
the
board
has
been
doing
so
whatever
we
can
do
to
support
the
endeavors
here.
I
hope
you
look
to
us
as
a
resource,
and
with
that
I
will
be
happy
to
sit
back
and
listen.
B
B
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
chance
to
give
some
updates
on
what
the
administration
sees
happening.
What
you've
had
the
changes,
you've
already
implemented
and
then
we're
going
to
hear
from
the
public
they
did
ask
to
go.
First.
The
advocates
and
activists
has
to
go
last.
I'm
sorry
so
we'll
have
them
left.
Y
Absolutely
thank
you
so
much
council,
president
and
and
council
members
for
giving
us
some
time
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we've
been
doing
and
what
we
hope
to
do
in
the
upcoming
months.
First
and
foremost,
the
mayor
is
committed
to
making
sure
that
marion
administration
is
committed
to
making
sure
that
we
are
a
listening
b
being
responsive
and
c
trying
to
make
action
out
of
the
moment
that
we
have
right
now
within
the
office.
Y
There
is
a
feeling,
a
pervasive
feeling
that
you
know
this
is
incredibly
an
incredibly
critical
time
where
we
can
put
policy
and
the
politics
together
to
make
sure
that,
on
a
lot
of
these
issues,
where
we
know
we've
had,
you
know
to
do
some
serious
work
to
do
some
critical
re-envisioning
of
police
reform
that
we
have
the
opportunity
now
to
address
some
of
those
concerns.
First
and
foremost,
you
know,
mayor
put
together
a
task
force.
Y
The
police
reform
task
force
that
some
folks
in
this
call
are
part
of
and
sit
on,
I'm
really
hoping
to
see
from
a
community
perspective
how
we
can
make
sure
to
again
harness
those
concerns
and
and
truly
critiques
of
the
bureau
and
put
them
into
actionable
work.
And
so
my
team,
the
legislative
and
policy
team
has
been
staffing
that
to
make
sure
that
people
aren't
sitting
at
a
table
to
sit
at
a
table
that
we're
not
convening
to
convene
but
we're
convening
to
move
towards
action.
Y
The
task
force
is
slated
to
get
together
recommendations
for
the
administration
by
labor
day,
so
we
are
again
moving
quickly
with
an
eye
towards
making
sure
that
this
isn't
a
space
to
convene
to
convene
but
we're
moving
towards
actual
items
that
will
make
you
know
impact
for
our
communities
and
for
our
neighbors
another
initiative.
That's
come
out
of
the
office
and
I'm
sure
laura
jokowski.
Our
manager
of
critical
communities
will
talk
more
about
this.
What
is
our
office
of
community
health
and
safety?
Y
We've
heard
for
a
very
long
time
from
the
bureau
that,
as
the
24-hour
you
know,
emergency
responder
they're
responding
to
a
myriad
of
issues
that
they
are
overwhelmed
by
and
and
frankly,
not
trained
for
at
this
point,
you
know
you
can
call
9-1-1
for
any
any
reason.
That's
not
really
public
safety
related,
laura
and
other
officers
have
recounted
stories
of
of
you
know
getting
calls,
because
you
know
their
kid
won't
eat
their
broccoli
or
their
kid
won't
go
to
school
or
there's.
Y
You
know
someone's
in
having
a
mental
health
crisis,
and
our
only
response
is
to
send
out
public
safety.
How
can
we.
T
Y
Our
emergency
responders,
how
do
we
think
about
a
space
where
we
can
make
sure
that
the
first
responder
that
shows
up
on
the
scene
is
the
best
responder
that
we
have
a
myriad
of
health
care
professionals
that
are
able
to
respond
to
the
you
know,
multitudes
of
crises
that
people
face
that
aren't
public
safety?
You
know
related.
Obviously,
there
is
a
space
for
if
there's
you
know,
theft
there
are
violent
crimes.
Y
Absolutely
there
should
be
a
space
for
public
safety,
but
in
those
spaces
where
we
know
other
systems
to
the
speaker
before
me,
you
know
other
systems
have
not
stepped
up.
How
do
we
make
sure
that,
as
a
city,
we
have
an
emergency
response
for
those
dealing
with
public
health
crises,
and
so
laura
has
been
at
the
forefront
of
putting
together
this
office
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
co-responder
model?
Where
you
know
you
know
you
would
be
able
to
call
for
help.
Y
Maybe
9-1-1,
maybe
another
line
you're
still
trying
to
work
that
part
out,
but
call
9-1-1
call
a
emergency
line
and
have
someone
immediately
respond
show
up
on
the
scene.
That's
able
to
triage
it
from
again
a
public
health
perspective,
so
you
know
we
see
this
model
in
other
cities,
but
we
really
are
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
create
something
that's
responsive
to
the
our
pittsburgh
landscape.
People
often
you
know
point
at
cahoots
as
a
model
that
was
created
in
in
the
80s.
It's
very
similar.
Y
Y
And,
lastly,
I
think
we
have
a
unique
opportunity
where
you
know
hearing
from
the
bureau
hearing
from
command
staff.
There
are
so
many
ideas,
so
many
initiatives
that
they
have
had
to
you
know
maybe
wait
on
maybe
put
on
the
shelf
until
it
was
more
appropriate.
But
as
we're
doing
you
know
the
kind
of
ground
trooping
for
the
task
force
and
then
listening
to
the
bureau.
Y
I
think
this
is
the
opportunity
that
again
we
have
the
momentum
and
the
widespread
consensus
to
act
on
a
lot
of
these
issues
that
have
been
long-standing.
You
know
like
we
have
an
issue
with
recruitment.
We
have
an
issue
with
retaining
diverse.
You
know:
police
officers.
Y
There
are,
I'm
sure
you
know
the
director
and
the
chief
could
list
several
things
that
they've
you
know
tried
to
do
in
the
past,
but
couldn't
because
there
wasn't,
the
budget
couldn't
be
cut,
couldn't
because
there
wasn't
the
will
couldn't,
because
you
know
xyz
reason,
and
so
I
think
we're
really
trying
to
use
this
moment.
So
all
those
ideas,
all
those
plans,
all
those
kind
of
issues
that
we've
had
to
work
around-
and
you
know,
put
this
there
just
to
as
a
stop
gap.
Y
Even
though
that's
not
exactly
really
what
you
know
we
should
be
doing.
We
have
a
moment
really
to
make
sure
that
all
those
things
that
we
we've
tried
to
do
in
the
past
that
we're
really
putting
the
energy
and
money
behind
to
make
sure
that
we
are
keeping
everyone
safe
and
doing
it
in
an
equitable
way.
But
those
are
largely
you
know
what
we've
been
working
on.
Administration
lara
again
can
fill
in
the
gaps,
but
I
think
that
you
know
at
this
point.
Y
You
really
are
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
squander
this
moment
and
that
we're
able
to
really
move
towards
tangible
change
for
our
residents
and
neighbors.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Did
you
want
laura
to
say
a
few
things
if
that's
okay
with
you,
council
president?
Yes,
but
please
try
to
keep
it
like
under
three
minutes,
we're
trying
to
give
everybody
three
minutes.
We
have
so
many
people.
Z
Absolutely
thank
you,
council,
president
kel
smith.
Thank
you,
chief
powell
and
and
thank
you,
council
members
and
I
think
chief
pal
did
a
really
excellent
job
of
kind
of
summarizing.
Our
understanding
of
the
current
situation.
I
I
do
I
want
to
acknowledge
you
know.
Our
public
safety
bureaus
have
been
exceedingly
progressive
under
director
historic's
leadership.
Our
police,
you
know,
began
carrying
naloxone,
which
is
the
overdose
reversal
agent.
In
2016.,
we
had
the
first
post-overdose
response
team
in
the
state
working
with
medics
and
police.
Z
We
had
the
first
ems
leave
behind
program
with
naloxone
in
the
state.
Z
Z
They
know
that
this
individual's
situation
is
is
deteriorating,
but
the
the
robust
set
of
responders
that
can
support
that
individual
once
the
police
leave
prior
to
the
police
coming
has
not
been
developed,
it's
what
the
community
is
calling
for,
but
frankly
it's
also
what
public
safety
has
been
calling
for
for
a
long
time
and
and
to
chief
powell's
point
we're
now
in
a
place
to
to
support
all
of
those
stakeholders.
To
ms
pittinger's
point
as
well,
I
want
to
acknowledge
department
of
human
services.
Z
Is
you
know,
convening
and
trying
to
understand
how
to
robustly
support
this
work
as
well?
You
know
in
in
chief
schubert's
annual
report,
there
were
151
000
citizen-initiated
9-1-1
calls
for
service
to
police
151
000
I
mean
that's.
I
hope
I'm
getting.
That
number
correct.
I
mean
that's
if
we
had
10
percent
of
those
were
mental
health
involved.
That's
15
000
calls,
that's
40
calls
a
day
in
the
city.
40
calls
a
day.
Those
aren't
five
minute
calls.
Z
Some
of
those
are
many
many
hours
so
really
meaningfully
addressing
this
is
not
you
know
to
to
to
to
director.
Murphy's
point
is
not
a
part-time
social
worker.
We
have
a
real
challenge
where
police,
fire
and
emfs
have
become,
as
chief
powell
said,
the
24
7
safety
net,
if
someone's
let
out
of
the
hospital
system
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
who's
homeless
and
it's
cold,
ems
or
police
will
ultimately
be
called.
Z
So
we
have
this
real
opportunity
to
start
to
both
work
upstream.
So
how
do
we
prevent
people
from
being
involved
in
the
first
place,
gvi
community
programs,
but
we
also
have
this
opportunity
to
work
downstream,
so
once
police
fire
ems
have
had
an
engagement
with
the
person.
How
are
we
supporting
that
person?
How
are
we
connecting
with
our
partners
at
the
county,
our
partners
in
in
other
human
services
entities
to
make
sure
that
those
robust
wraparound
supports
occur?
So
we
don't
have
recurrent
high
utilization
and
engagement
with
first
responders.
Z
That's
a
way
to
really
mitigate
that
harm.
Express
issues
more
meaningfully,
you
know
this
is
not
me
coming
from
my
own
experience
and
I
don't
want
to
parrot
the
experience
of
first
responders
in
the
community,
but
this
is
what
we
hear
from
them
all
the
time
is
we
don't
have
the
tools
to
meaningfully
address
the
underlying
issues
that
are
resulting
in
the
calls
that
are
made
to
us.
I
think,
there's
expert
handling.
Z
You
know
I
look
at
the
the
training
in
the
academy
sergeant,
colleen,
bristow,
doing
the
inside
out
program,
that's
a
totally
novel
program
working
to
train
officers
on
homelessness
services,
chief
kudrov
participating
in
the
homeless,
outreach
coordinating
committee
group
and
all
of
her
officers
being
part
of
that.
We
know,
there's
an
appetite
and
a
desire
for
that
support
and
to
chief
powell's
point.
Z
We
think
that
this
office,
community
health
and
safety
can
be
a
way
that
we
support
public
safety
and
getting
those
needs
met
and
then
continuing
to
do
the
critical
that
role
they
do
around.
You
know
unsafe
and
violent
situations,
so
I
you
know
I
want
to.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
it
and
we
do
really
respect
that.
We
have
this
opportunity
to
meaningfully
change
the
the
the
outcomes
and
the
well-being
of
not
just
the
community,
but
our
first
responders
as
well.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
and
now
we're
going
to
move
on
to
brandy,
fisher
and
some
of
the
activists
and
advocates
for
the
community
and
so
brandon.
You
can
just
jump
in
with
you
and
your
team
and
then
we're
going
to
turn
it
over
to
council
for
some
questions.
N
Thank
you,
madam
president.
How
did
I
forget
that
you
were
the
president
now
sometimes
well?
Thank
you
so
much
for
putting
us
together
and
for
listening
when
we
asked
for
a
little
more
balance.
So
you
are
appreciated
in
that
first.
N
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
have
been
doing
this
work
for
10
years
now,
and
I
want
to
just
thank
director
historic
for
reminding
me
that
of
that,
because
he
stated
that
in
the
past
10
years,
there's
been
a
lot
of
progress
when
it
comes
to
the
pittsburgh
police
department.
N
So
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
apa's
horn
and
say
we
had
a
lot
to
do
with
that,
but
at
the
same
time
I'm
also
going
to
say
that
that
is
also
not
a
tooting
it
that
from
what
I've
been
hearing
from
the
community
most
recently
that
if
we
were
making
the
calls
that
we're
making
now
10
years
ago,
we
probably
wouldn't
have
to
be
reimagining,
we'd,
probably
be
seeing
it
and
and
that's
a
world
where
we're
not
completely,
depending
on
or
depending
on
police
when
it
comes
to
public
safety.
N
Our
organization
operates
from
two
different
angles:
one
is
prevention,
the
other
is
intervention
right,
and
so
what
I
heard
a
lot
about
today
was
about
intervention
which
is
necessary,
but
I
heard
a
lot
about
intervention
and
we
weigh
heavily
on
intervention
because
there's
a
need
for
it.
N
What
the
recent
cry
of
defunding
is
about
is
there
no
longer
being
such
a
great
need
to
intervene
because
we're
pushing
for
systemic
change
and
when
we
make
changes
systemically,
then
we
don't
have
all
of
these
outcomes
on
the
end,
and
so
I
want
to
really
highlight
you
know
hope
for
tomorrow,
and
you
know
the
young
people
that
spoke.
You
know
I
appreciate
you
speaking.
N
I
hear
you
loud
and
clear,
and
I'm
grateful
to
keisha
and
folks
who
are
working
with
them
to
help
them
begin
to
see
that
investment
in
the
investment
in
people-
and
this
is
what
we've
been
saying-
makes
a
difference
right
and
so
they're
investing
in
youth
early
on,
and
so
that
ultimately
makes
a
difference,
and
so
they're
saying
you
know
it's.
N
Instead
of
giving
this
money
all
to
the
police,
there
are
people
and
programs
that
can
work
that
invest
in
our
communities
that
invest
in
our
youth,
and
so
we
don't
need
that,
and
so
I
want
to.
I
wanted
to
just
you
know,
preface
the
conversation
with
we're,
not
talking
about
intervention,
we're
talking
about
prevention,
we're
talking
about
no
longer
needing
having
the
need
for
intervention,
and
of
course
we
will
need
that
along
the
way.
But
we
don't
need
to
heavily
continue
to
heavily
depend
on
intervening.
N
We
need
to
look
at
root
causes
and
try
to
uproot
the
causes.
In
the
beginning,
I'm
going
to
speak
just
a
tad
bit
to
a
few
of
the
bills
that
were
highlighted.
I'm
not
going
to
speak
a
lot
because
what
I
think
who
I
think
her
will
be
heard
during
the
public
hearings
and
that's
like
the
broader
community
and
not
just
my
voice,
but
I
do
want
to
highlight
a
few
things
and
respond
to
a
few
comments.
N
The
the
bill
on
I'm
sorry
here
I
go
the
bill
on
prohibiting
acquisition
of
military
equipment.
I
think,
is
very
necessary
and
something
that
our
organization
supports.
In
on
the
surface,
we
have
to
look,
you
know
closer
at
the
language.
I
know
reverend
burgess
said
that
the
bills
are
coming
up
next
wednesday
for
conversation
or
discussion
or
amendments,
and
so
we
would
like
to
be
privy
to
those
if
so
before.
That
happens
so
we're
aware
of
the
language
ourselves
and
be
able
to
give
input.
N
N
What
I
do
want
the
public
to
realize
is
that
that
is
not
the
only
instance
in
which
these
military
equipment,
this
military
equipment
is
used,
which
is
why
communities,
particularly
black
communities
and
all
those
who
support
black
communities,
are
against
this
because
they
often
show
up
in
our
community
and
not
for
tragedies
such
as
the
horrific
one
that
occurred
that
tree
of
life.
But,
for
you
know,
disputes
within
homes
or
people
saying
I'm
not
leaving
or
different
reasons.
We
see.
N
Swat
teams
show
up,
and
we
see
this
militarized
equipment
within
our
neighborhoods,
and
so
at
echo
that
that's
not
the
way
that
our
neighborhood
should
be
treated
and
that's
not
what
people
should
look
to
see
when
they
look
out
of
their
windows
as
if
there's
a
war
going
on
in
their
neighborhood
the
duty
to
intervene.
N
We
also
support.
It's
the
same
that
we
have
to
have
a
legislative
process
or
a
policy
created
to
say
that,
but
the
duties
to
intervene
is
necessary
and
also
should
just
be
inherited
with
the
vow
of
being
a
police
officer
and
the
hiring
freeze.
N
The
hiring
freeze
goes
hand
in
hand
with
defunding,
and
I
will
echo
this
again.
I
do
hear
the
concern
from
public
safety
officials
saying
that
if
we
drop
below
and
have
such
a
low
number,
then
you
know
we
may
not
that
they're
concerned
about
the
public
safety
at
that
point.
N
How
you
know
ptsd
is
real
within
our
communities
and
that
violence
is
not
just
happening
by
people
within
the
communities.
The
way
that
the
police
show
up
is
very
violent
as
well,
and
even
the
presence
of
those
military
that
military
equipment
is
violent
as
well
and
then
even
most
recently,
we've
seen
that
it's
just
not
always
used
on
perpetrators
like
those
at
the
tree,
life
synagogue,
but
it's
also
used
on
people
who
are
exercising
their
first
amendment
rights,
and
so
though,
it
sounds
really
nicely
put
the
way.
N
This
is
packaged
by
folks
in
public
safety.
The
reality
is
that
it
doesn't
play
out
that
way,
and
so
I
just
want
to
thank
those
who
see
a
need
to
do
things
differently
and
trying
to
do
their
best
and
also
push
you
to
really
get
away
from
this
reliance
on
expecting
crime
to
exist,
expecting
violence
to
always
be
here
and
start
focusing
on
root
causes
and
being
proactive.
So
we
don't
need
to
have
so
much
intervention.
B
Thank
you,
brandi,
thank
you
who
do
we
have
next
randy
with
you?
Do
you
want
to
go
next.
N
Between
liv
and
jenny
they
can
choose
to
go.
However,
they
would
like.
P
Okay,
all
right,
I
will
go
so
I
would
echo
everything
that
brandi
said
also,
would
echo
some
of
the
things
that
lindsay
powell
also
stated,
because
for
me
is,
is
I
and
as
public
safety
chair
of
county
council?
P
I
see
a
big
intersectionality
between
public
safety
and
public
health
and
part
of
the
reimagining
of
responses
to
9-1-1
or
calls
emergency
calls.
Is
adding
the
public
health
perspective
to
our
response
measures
so
in
that
reimagining,
when
lindsay,
brings
up
places
like
cahoots
models
like
cahoots,
where
it's
a
more
a
public
health
response
than
a
public
safety
response?
I
think
those
conversations
are
what
is
what's
missing
from
when
from
when
we're
talking
about
reimagined,
policing
and
and
responses
to
9-1-1.
P
Also,
I
would
state
that,
because
I'm
coming
from
a
county
perspective
and
many
of
the
calls
that
are
dispatched
through
9-1-1
are
coming
through
the
county
9-1-1
line,
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
see
and
kind
of
do
a
deep
dive
on
what
those
calls
are
that
are
coming
in
and
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
nuanced
response
to
those
calls.
P
So
we
take
a
you
know
again
during
those
calls
and
see
that
a
lot
of
calls
are
coming
in
for
addiction
issues
or
mental
health
issues
or
trap,
child
abandonment,
neglect
or
any
of
those.
You
know
things.
We
can
make
sure
that
we
are
ramping
up
responses
to
those
those
those
types
of
calls
and
not
and
not
specifically
having
those
responses
being
a
person
with
a
gun
and
a
badge
specifically
to
the
bills
that
are
coming
forward
through
council.
P
I
saw
that
it
was
a
ten
percent
decrease
for
the
next
of
the
five
year
plan,
so
starting
in
2021,
I
would
imagine
to
2026
and
if
we're
doing
a
10,
if
we're
talking
about
a
five-year
plan,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
a
five-year
plan.
However,
the
number
of
ten
percent
is
a
little
low
for
it's
been
it's
a
lot
low
for
me.
P
If
we're
talking
about
five
years,
we
should
probably
be
a
lot
higher
than
10
percent
in
five
years
and
then
going
to
the
duty
to
intervene
again
very
fundamental.
That
should
already
be
a
requirement
of
anybody.
That
is
policing
any
community,
but
my
question
would
be:
what
is
the
consequence
if
it's
found
out
that
somebody
did
not
intervene
because
just
throwing
something
out
there
and
saying
this
is
what
we're
supposed
to
do
without
any
consequence
for
not
doing
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
very
it's
not
going
to
be
very
impactful.
P
So
those
were
my
comments
so
passing
over
to
jenny.
O
Thank
you
again
for
having
me
councilwoman,
president,
theresa
kel
smith,
and
to
all
of
county
council.
I
would
also
just
say
thank
you
to
brandi
and
councilwoman
bennett.
I
support
their
comments
and
I
prepared
a
few
remarks
just
to
faithfully
represent
both
the
coalition
of
pittsburgh,
united
and
the
economic
justice
circle.
So
again,
thanks
for
allowing
me
to
share
that
today
again,
my
name
is
jennifer
raphael
and
kennedy,
and
I'm
the
executive
director
of
pittsburgh
united,
which
is
a
coalition
of
labor-based
community
and
environmental
groups.
O
O
It
is
foundational
in
a
country
that
was
founded
on
the
backs
of
slaves
and
no
amount
of
diversity,
inclusiveness,
community,
policing
and
other
police
reform
measures
can
fix
a
public
safety
system
that
was
rooted
and
founded
in
white
supremacy
to
truly
reflect
that
black
lives
matter
in
our
city.
We
must
fully
reimagine
the
public
safety
budget
and
fully
reimagine
public
safety
for
our
city,
the
four
pieces,
five
pieces
of
legislation
the
council
is
considering
today
are
part
of
that.
O
We
support
banning
the
acquisition
of
military
equipment,
as
has
been
discussed
here,
that
the
city
and
its
police
force
have
used
against
its
own
residents,
but
these
are
just
initial
steps,
while
they
codify.
What
liv
and
brandy
have
also
mentioned,
are
fundamental
basic
ideas.
O
They
don't
take
any
steps
toward
truly
reimagining
public
safety.
We
further
support
measures
that
open
the
city
budget
to
public
scrutiny
and
participation.
O
However,
before
we
create
new
funds
or
place
our
taxpayer
dollars
in
those
funds,
the
residents
of
pittsburgh
deserve
a
conversation
about
what
our
collective
priorities
are,
where
funds
should
be
divested
from
and
by
how
much.
As
councilwoman
bennett
mentioned,
we
could
be
having
a
conversation
about
a
greater
number
of
funds
and
how
those
funds
can
be
invested
in
the
priorities
that
community
members
have
named.
O
No
such
public
process
has
occurred
yet,
and
public
hearings,
while
important,
are
just
the
start.
The
conversation
here
today
is
reflective
of
the
national
conversation
around
defunding.
The
police,
councilman
burgess,
has
said
that
the
best
way
to
improve
public
safety
is
not
just
additional
police
officers,
but
rather
by
increasing
the
community's
competence
in
the
police
and
miss
pittinger.
Today
has
said
that
this
this
morning,
that
this
is
a
perception
problem
respectfully
I
and
thousands
of
other
pittsburghers
disagree.
O
O
O
T
O
J
Well,
thank
you
for
giving
me
an
opportunity,
even
at
this
late
date.
I
am
here
really
to
speak
in
about
the
stop
to
violence
fund
that
you're
discussing,
encourage
you
to
act
very
quickly
on
that,
so
that
the
work
that
we've
already
begun
can
expand.
J
J
I've
been
a
pittsburgh
resident
for
decades,
living
in
highland
park
manchester
and
point
freeze
now
living
in
lincoln
limington,
I'm
an
attorney
who's
been
working
with
represented
small
nonprofits
for
many
many
years
in
2009,
I
came
to
city
employment
working
closely
with
police
and
community
through
the
public
safety
department,
to
create
some
new
violence
prevention
efforts
based
on
models
that
have
been
proven
nationally
to
be
effective
in
2017,
when
gvi
came
into
being,
I
transitioned
to
safer
together
coordinator
within
department
of
public
safety,
working
with
victoria
murphy
and
john
takarsky,
and
also
coordinating
some
police
internship
programs
in
2019.
J
I
got
my
current
title,
which
is
stop
the
violence
coordinator
in
this
position.
My
overall
objective
is
empowering
communities
to
take
responsibility
for
safety
and
to
inform
about
developments
in
public
safety
and
how
to
make
constructive
changes
in
those
systems
in
these
positions.
I've
had
the
ability
to
see
the
many
changes
in
our
approach
here
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
to
public
safety
and
policing,
and
to
see
many
of
our
successes
in
reducing
violence
there.
J
Those
changes
have
been
great
and
are
very
exciting.
In
fact,
we've
become
a
national
leader.
In
some
of
these
things
as
well,
I
mean
some
of
the
things
I've
seen
are
the
most
important
being
the
police,
embracing
change,
a
very
new
attitude
for
a
police
department
group,
vines,
intervention
being
embraced
and
widely
recognized
for
its
effectiveness,
the
hiring
of
a
victim's
assistance
coordinator,
a
move
which
was
championed
by
wendell
hesrick,
our
actual
I'm,
usually
visionary
public
safety,
leader,
social
workers
working
with
police
in
some
of
our
zones.
J
Much
more
comedian
engagement
than
we've
ever
seen
before,
a
new
community
engagement
unit
has
been
established.
A
new
civil
affairs
team
has
been
established,
our
community
resource
officers,
whereas
we're
enhanced
and
neighbor
resource
officers
are
added
to
the
mix
and
there's
much
much
more.
The
public
does
not
know
how
far
this
police
department
has
come
since
2009,
it's
a
long,
long
way
and
all
that's
good,
but
there's
a
long
way
to
go.
We're
not
at
the
destination
just
yet
to
stay
ahead
and
to
continue
to
reduce
violence.
J
We
need
to
pass
this
legislation
and
pass
it
quickly
for
the
future
like
to
see
the
enhancement
of
some
of
our
existing
violence
prevention
efforts
or
not.
Right
now
we
have
part-time
interrupters
working
with
our
outreach
teams
or
our
outreach
teams
with
gvi
with
more
time
they
can
do
more
interruption
is
a
skill.
It's
done
immediately.
It's
quick!
It
requires
relationships,
that's
how
we
can
prevent
immediate
violence.
J
We'd
also
like
to
see
some
dedicated
case
managers
to
coordinate
social
services
for
high-risk
individuals
case
management
requires
knowledge
and
res
and
resources
and
relationships
within
the
service
systems,
so
that
people
can
get
the
help
they
need
fast,
and
the
emphasis
is
on
fast,
because
that's
how
you
prevent
violence,
we
also
like
to
see
more
discretionary
funds
to
meet
immediate
needs.
Again,
that's
how
you
prevent
violence.
J
A
part
of
gdi
is
community
involvement.
We
need
to
continue
and
enhance
community
involvement
to
continue
changing
the
narratives
in
the
communities.
Narrative
is
saying
that
violence
is
acceptable.
If
you
don't
talk
to
your
police,
that
real
men
might
solve
their
own
problems
and
don't
call
anyone
else
to
help.
J
Your
investment
in
the
stop
device
fund
will
help
us
to
realize
more
of
the
potential
of
gdr
and
to
enable
us
to
engage
more
community
members
in
violence
prevention
efforts
with
our
pittsburgh
police,
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
in
the
future
city
council
members
and
to
help
reduce
violence
in
your
districts,
but
passing
these
bills
as
quickly
as
possible
is
a
start
and
will
help
us
live
in
violence
city-wide
if
anyone
who's
listening.
It's
important
to
remember
that
all
this
work
that
we're
talking
about
today
is
city
only.
J
It
does
not
affect
mount
oliver
borough
or
wilkinsburg
and
the
keys
rocks.
So
we
do
need
similar
efforts
in
other
parts
of
the
county
so
that
the
violence
problem
in
this
county
can
be
changed
as
well.
We've
done
a
lot
in
the
city,
but
the
county
is
lagging
far
behind,
and
so
this
is
just
a
start.
Thank
you
very
much
for
listening.
B
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
participating
in
for
speaking
and
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
council
members,
and
I
let
me
just
say
that
councilman
krauss
had
to
leave,
but
he
did
say
that
he
appreciates
everyone
participating
and
that
he
would
be
reaching
out
to
some
of
the
speakers
today
to
see
that
how
he
can
help
with
some
things,
and
so
with
that
said,
do
we
have
any
other
members
that
have
any
questions
today,
and
let
me
remind
you
too,
that
we'll
also
have
a
another
post
agenda.
B
We
have
three
public
hearings
and
the
post
agenda,
so
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
more
questions
at
the
last
post
agenda
as
well,
so
councilman
calculus,
how
you
hand
out
first
then
councilwoman
strasburger.
B
X
E
E
So
I
really
want
to
thank
you,
and
this
is
exactly
what
I
pictured
as
far
as
changes
and
our
decision
making
goes
from
here
on
out.
This
is
exactly
what
I
what
I
envisioned
and
I'm
going
to
keep
to
more
than
listening
today
then
ask
questions.
I'm
going
to
you
know,
hold
off
on
my
questions
for
other
times,
but
I
also
wanted
to
say
director
his
rich.
You
know
we're
lucky
to
have
you.
You
know.
I
really
think
you
know
if
you
know
his
qualifications
and
the
job
that
he
does.
You
know.
E
E
I've
known
him
and
his
family
for
a
long
long
time
and
I
have
nothing
but
respect
for
his
family,
they're,
good
character,
people
and
he's
a
beach
view
guy,
so
I'm
a
little
biased
to
that
as
well,
especially
when
I
think
chief
schubert,
you
know
in
saying
you
know
that
he
he
wants
to
stay
on.
It
would
be
easy
for
him
to
retire
at
these
times,
but
knowing
him
like,
I
do,
you
know
I
have
so
much
respect
for
him
to
wanting
to
stay
on
and
see
us
through.
E
This
he's
the
right
person
to
do
that.
He
has
the
respect
of
the
rank
and
file
the
administration
and
everybody
across
the
board,
and
I
also
want
to
complement
you
know
the
mayor's
office.
You
know,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
changes
that
have
been
made
in
the
past
10
years
in
our
police
department
have
been
a
direct
result
of
mayor
peduto.
You
know
he
has
been
preaching
restraint
and
you
know
compassion
from
the
beginning.
E
I
feel,
and
I
think
that
spilled
over
into
the
protests
you
know
and-
and
you
know,
director
historic
you've
heard
me-
tell
you
this
many
times
before,
and
I've
said
this
to
anybody
who
will
listen
through
those
protests.
I
felt
like
our
pittsburgh.
Police
did
a
fantastic
job,
really
fantastic
job
and
I
feel
like
they
need
a
pat
on
the
back.
Not
you
know
reprimanded,
so
consider
this
your
pat
on
the
back.
E
I
don't
think
you
get
enough
of
them,
but
you
know,
I
think,
the
job
that
you
all
did
through.
That
was
phenomenal,
so
I
do
want
to
speak
to
the
250
000.
You
know
and-
and
I
especially
want
to
thank
all
the
guests
today.
You
know
it
really
is
enlightening
to
me
councilman
gross,
and
I
had
a
long
conversation
last
night
and
a
lot
of
what
we
talked
about
just
mirrored
as
to
what
we
just
heard
so
so
I
feel
like
we're
all
on
the
right
same
page.
E
I
feel
like
we're
on
the
right
track.
I
do
have
questions
as
to
where
any
money
and
when
we
talk
about
defunding
the
police,
I
think
it's
a
bad
word.
Let's
say
reallocating
or
something
maybe
but
but
you
know
when
we
talk
about,
you
know,
changes
that
we
need
to
make
I'd
like
to
know.
Personally,
you
know-
and
I
got
a
good
feel
for
that
today
and
listening
to
all
the
groups
and
the
folks
that
are
on
as
to
how
I
feel
that
money
could
go
and
and
again,
council
president.
E
You
know
it
was
very
insightful
for
me
this
is
the
the
right
approach.
Having
everybody
at
the
table
is
the
right
way
to
do
this.
So,
but
I
do
look
forward
to
what
I
feel
is
talking
about
other
problems
within
the
police
department
and
that
is
losing
new
recruits.
That
is,
you
know
our
pension
fund.
That
is,
you
know
our
pay
scale.
E
You
know
we
are
losing
young
police
officers
at
an
alarming
rate
to
suburbs
and-
and
I
did
like
to
hear
as
far
as
many
guests
have
said,
you
know
reaching
out
to
police
chiefs
and
police
departments
and
mayors
throughout
the
county.
I
think
that's
very
important.
E
You
know
when
you
look
at
violence
and
police
mishaps
throughout
the
country,
it's
as
much
in
the
little
communities
as
it
is
the
big
cities.
So
so
I
look
forward
to
really
talking
about
in
as
far
as
where
that,
where
money
should
go,
if
we
do
allocate
this
money
towards
prevention-
and
I
really
look
forward
to
talking
about
the
procedures,
the
policy
and
the
tactics
of
the
pittsburgh
police,
I
think
this
is
where
we
really
need
to
focus
again.
Our
police,
I
feel,
are
some
of
the
best
in
the
country.
E
You
don't
hear
of
incidents
like
we
had
in
minneapolis,
and
you
know
in
detroit,
but
but
obviously
you
know
we
want
to
be
well
aware.
We
don't
want
that
to
happen
here
in
pittsburgh,
so
so
I
really
appreciate
public
safety
being
at
the
table
without
them
here.
You
know
they
know
better
than
us
what
they
need
and
what
they
don't
need.
It's
easy
for
us
to
play.
You
know
monday
morning,
quarterback
and
say
we
want
to
defund
the
police
and
switch.
E
You
know
you
know,
resources
here
and
resources
there,
but
with
me
it's
non-starter
unless
they're
at
the
table
and
they'll,
let
us
know
exactly
what
they
need
and
you
can
hear
from
them
they're
willing
to
work,
and
they
know
that
we
need
the
changes
in
so
many
degrees,
but
we
have
to
be
careful
not
to
change
things
that
they
need.
So
with
that.
Madam
president,
again
I
thank
you.
I
thank
all
the
guests.
It
was
very
insightful.
I
look
forward
to
the
many
conversations
to
come.
G
You,
madam
president,
and
thank
you
to
all
of
the
guests
who
spoke
today
already.
This
was
helpful.
I've
wanted
to
have
one-on-one
conversations
with
you
all,
but
I
wanted
to
wait
until
after
this
these
post-agenda
hearings
to
see
what
conversations
still
needed
it
to
be
had.
So
thank
you.
This
has
answered
many
of
my
questions.
G
I
just
want
to
start
by
quickly
saying
that,
for
for
the
record,
I
my
hope
is
that
we
don't
miss
this
opportunity
to
make
real
systemic
change
here,
that
we
don't
just
place
band-aids
on
a
system
that
we
can
really
use
the
the
momentum
and
the
public
outcry
that
we
have
right
now
and
the
political
opportunity
to
make
real
change.
So
that
is
my
goal,
and
I
you
know,
I
think
that
these
bills
are,
as
as
reverend
burgess
said.
G
Himself
are
a
start,
but
not
the
end,
and
I
think
that
a
lot
of
this
is
going
to
hinge
on
the
budget
in
our
budget
conversations,
which
is
already
a
very
difficult
conversation
this
year.
Given
that
we're
down,
I
think,
probably
a
quarter
to
a
third
of
our
revenue
given
the
pandemic,
but
I
I
I
just.
I
do
think
that
it
needs
to
be
part
of
the
budget
conversation
as
well.
G
So,
given
that
I
have
a
couple
of
questions-
and
my
first
question
is
for
chief
powell
or
for
laura
for
both
of
you-
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
you're
speaking
of
some
of
these
alternative
response
teams,
I've
been
looking
into
a
lot
of
them
myself,
cahoots
in
eugene
oregon,
which
involves,
which
is
separate
from
police,
but
does
respond
to
9-1-1
calls
and
the
9-1-1
call
operators
are
then
directed
to
send
out
cahoots
rather
than
police
they're
in
plain
clothes.
G
It's
a
medic
and
a
trained
crisis
intervention
person,
I
think
in
one
year
they
they
took
20
of
the
911
call.
So
that's
20
of
the
calls
that
then
police
didn't
have
to
respond
to
which
is
impressive,
so
there's
that
model,
but
then
there's
also
say
toronto's
model,
which
is
their
mobile
crisis
intervention
team
that
is
embedded
within
public
safety.
G
So
I
wanted
to
get
a
sense
if
you
have
as
you're
looking
through
these
different
models,
if
you've,
if
you've
proposed
any
one
sort
of
model,
whether
it's
something
that
a
team
of
social
workers
or
responders
that
are
separate
from
police
and
that
would
be
embedded
in
this
new
department
or
whether
they
would
be
embedded
in
public
safety.
If
you
have
thoughts
either
way.
Y
Y
And
then
what
does
it
look
like
in
year,
three
year,
five
year,
ten
in
the
first
year,
we're
thinking
about
how
we
do
something
where
we
have
a
co-responder
talking
to
some
using
some
of
our
providers
here
in
the
city
we've
been
talking
to
school,
social
work
and
others
trying
to
figure
out
exactly
what
this
would
look
like
here
and
again,
appropriate
to
the
pittsburgh
landscape.
Y
In
the
first
years
we
see
a
co-responder
model
where
they
are
separate
from
the
bureau,
but
are
able
to
in
the
first
again
iteration
respond
with
police
to
triage
creep
crises
in
situations
where
you
know
a
more
public
health
approach
versus
a
public
safety
approach
would
be
appropriate
talking
to
other
cities
that
are
also
building.
You
know
this
type
of
model.
What
is
this
fact
like?
You
know
it
doesn't
make
sense
for
it
to
live
as
a
like
subsidiary
of
public
safety.
Y
If
that
means
that
the
dispatch
would
be
very
different,
you
know
what
does
it
look
like
to
make
sure
that
you
know
it's
very
clear
to
the
911
or
whatever
emergency
line
operator
all
when
where
and
why,
and
then
you
know
how
to
make
sure
that
there
is
no
liabilities
to
say
you
know.
Public
health
approach
is
taken,
one
of
those
responders
show
up
on
the
scene,
but
it
ends
up
being
a
public
safety
issue
like
how
do
you
kind
of
triage
that
bit
so
we're
still
working
through
it.
Y
You
know
a
separate
agency,
but
working
again
as
we
build
it
up
and
see
what
works
best
and
respond
to
community.
You
know
concerns
and
everything
else
that
it'd
be
a
co-responder
model
in
its
first
in
its
first
12
months
and
then
moving
forward.
I
think
it
should
be
entirely
separate.
You
know
again,
if
you
really
do
want
to
have
a
true
public
health
approach.
The
idea
is
that.
Y
B
G
Z
Thank
you
very
much
council
person
strasburger,
so
just
to
add
on
to
what
chief
pal
has
articulated.
We
do
have
the
legislation
that
was
introduced
on
tuesday
for
funding
that
would
go
to
allegheny
health
network
to
create.
Z
Team
embedded
in
half
of
the
zones
presently,
the
goal
is
to
work
very
closely
with
public
safety,
so
this
is
durable.
We
need
the
those
responders
to
know
how
to
interact
on
a
scene,
how
to
trans,
to
give
information
back
to
first
responders,
so
to
get
information
from
first
responders.
There's
very
tactical.
Meaningful
relationships
that
have
to
be
built,
I
mean
cahoots,
is
an
incredible
program,
it's
also
in
its
31st
year.
Z
So
you
know
we
can
look
at
that
as
as
we
haven't
acted,
but
we
can
also
look
and
say
it's
an
extremely
mature
program.
It
takes
time
to
build
up
not
only
the
durability
and
accountability
of
the
response,
but
also
to
make
sure
that
that
responder
unit
is
is
on
point
they're
doing
what
needs
to
be
done
so
that
we're
not
ultimately
calling
police
in
any
ways.
I
think,
that's
a
you
know.
Z
A
deep
concern
is
that
if
we
don't
stand
this
up
in
a
really
durable
way,
we
will
ultimately
put
this
right
back
onto
you
know
right
back
onto
our
police
officers,
so
right
back
on
to
our
our
firefighters
right
back
on
to
our
paramedics.
So
there's
got
to
be
a
balance
between
meeting
the
community
need
as
quickly
as
possible,
but
also
ensuring
that
we
can
do
it
in
a
high
fidelity
way,
that's
safe
for
everyone
that
doesn't
ultimately
create
a
lot
of
churn
and
and
a
lack
of
success
in
meeting
these
goals.
Z
G
Thank
you
so
very
much,
and
I
don't
know
who
this
next
question
is
really
addressed
to.
It
could
be
addressed
to
the
economic
justice
circle
or
it
could
be
to
chief
powell,
but
there
is
there's
a
big
cost
in
involved
in
making
this
kind
of
systemic
change
that
many
speakers
were
talking
about
today.
G
You
know
off
of
various
reports
that
we
have
so
human
services
reports,
but
I'm
wondering
if
we're
really
talking
about
a
budget
and
we're
talking
about
a
five
or
ten
year
plan.
If
anyone
knows
how
much
those
kinds
of
things
will
cost
to
address
over
the
over
time,
so
we
can
truly
plan
for
it
and
allocate
mine
there.
G
D
Although
you
didn't
ask
me,
I've
spent
probably
the
last
team
here
has
given
that
some
thought.
I
think
that
I
will
work
with
you.
We
have
some
partners
at
cmu
and
some
partners
at
pitt
who
can
help
us
create
such
a
such
a
an
economic
sort
of
impact
statement,
and
so
I
don't
think,
there's
no
one
place
that
exists.
I
think,
if
you
talk
to
you
know
aaron
dalton,
over
at
the
county,
there
are
like
two
or
three
people
who
do
this
work.
D
You
know
from
a
data
perspective,
we
can
put
them
together
and
do
some
cross
cut.
You
know
cross
calculations
and
I
work
again.
You
can
ask
me,
but
I'm
willing
to
bring
my
resources
having
thought
about
this
for
10
years
and
and
try
to
come
up
with
something
like
that,
together
with
you.
G
O
Yes,
thanks
for
asking
it
can
be
very
difficult
to
track
down
those
numbers
and
reimagine
and
create
something
that
maybe
doesn't
exist.
Yet
I
would
say
that
the
city
does
have
a
role
to
play
in
not.
O
But
the
thought
process
available
behind
those
decisions
for
the
community
to
participate
in
a
long-term
changed
way.
I
would
also
say
that
the
city
budget
is.
Q
O
We
have
to
look
at
the
ancillary
budgets
of
other
places
that
are
creating
things
like
affordable
housing,
so
the
urban
redevelopment
authority
other
authorities
the
county
budget.
Often
you
know,
austerity
is
just
a
narrative
that
we're
operating
from
not
an
actual.
You
know
not
an
actual
true
representation
of
where
we
are.
O
There
are
many
funds
coming
and
just
as
we've
been
diverting
funds
to
address
proven
19,
and
you
know
the
current
crisis,
we
will
see
that
you
know
we
have
the
opportunity
to
really
truly
prioritize
the
the
basic
things
that
people
in
our
communities
need,
which
is
when
we
get
truly
to
the
to
the
public
safety
that
we
need.
G
Thank
you.
My
last
question
is
directed
to
to
to
public
safety
itself.
It's
I
I
know
I
realize
it's
not
on
the
official
agenda
today,
but
I
am
very
curious
because
I
have
to
say
that
in
district
8,
a
number
of
the
concerns
that
are
brought
to
my
attention
are
around
road
safety
and
traffic
safety
and
traffic
calming
and
and
again
you
know
it's
similar
to
the
other
things
we're
talking
about.
G
The
only
recourse
we
have
aside
from
you
know.
Changing
the
street
in
engineering
is
calling
on
the
bureau
the
traffic
bureau
within
police
to
bolster
enforcement
at
a
certain
area,
which
you
know,
helps
for
a
certain
period
of
time,
but
then
doesn't
once
they
go
away,
but
in
this
conversation
we're
having
I'm
increasingly
uncomfortable
with
the
premise
that
the
only
way
to
beef
up
enforcement
or
to
keep
people
you
know
safe
and
drivers
driving
appropriately,
is
through
an
armed
police
officer.
G
Stopping
someone-
and
I
know
that
there
are
other
models
out
there.
I
know
that
there
are
other
countries
and
other
cities
where
perhaps
a
unarmed
officer
who
is
similar
to
a
you
know.
Someone
who
issues
a
parking
ticket
who
can
cite
but
can't
necessarily
is
unarmed,
have
been
successful,
and
I
know
that
there
are
concerns
about
that
person's
safety.
But
I
know
it
is
successful
in
other
places,
and
so
I'm
just
very
curious
to
hear
from
public
safety,
director
and
chief
schubert
about
your
thoughts
on
on
traffic
and
enforcement.
There.
I
I
Protection,
you
know
able
to
work
with
pedestrians
and
work
with
crosswalks
downtown,
and
what
I'm
getting
at
here,
very
simply
is.
We
did
a
very
in-depth
look
into
state
legislation,
state
laws
currently
on
the
books
and
it
right
now
there
would
have
to
be
changes
in
the
state
legislation
to
allow
for
that.
As
you
mentioned
councilwoman,
there
is
a
great
deal
of
secure
safety
concerns.
I
I
think
I
read
in
the
either
saw
right
on
the
internet
this
week
that
there
is
a
city.
I
think
it
may
be
berkeley,
california,
that
is
thinking
about
doing
that
plan
and
allowing
civilians
to
do
more
enforcement
having
to
do
with
vehicles,
pedestrians,
etc.
Of
course,
the
laws
are
a
little
bit
different
in
california.
I
It's
something
that
we
did
look
at
in
the
past
is
something
that
we
will
look
at
in
the
future.
However,
in
law
enforcement,
it's
always
the
vehicle
that
you
walk
up
to
I
mean
you,
don't
know
what
you're
walking
up
to,
and
I
would
have
some
serious
concerns
with
allowing
a
civilian
to
do
that
because
you
don't
know
if
that
person
that
went
through,
that
traffic
light,
that
person
that
went
through
the
stop
sign
or
is
speeding
whether
or
not
that
person
is
just
robbed
a
bank
or
robbed
a
business
or
has
a
warrant.
I
So
there
are
some
serious
concerns
as
far
as
safety
on
it,
but
we
have,
in
the
past,
looked
at
allows
civilians
to
do
a
little
bit
more
on
the
enforcement
side,
but
it's
something
that
it
needs
to
be
looked
at
and
we
will
look
that
we
will
look
at
it
in
the
future
chief,
do
you
have
anything
to.
W
I
G
Thank
you
and
that
sort
of
brings
me
to
my
very
last
point
that'll
be
done,
and
that
is
that
there
is
some
there's
a
lot
that
we
can
do
with
the
city.
G
But
I
also
acknowledge
that
we're
going
to
need
partnerships,
we're
going
to
need
cooperation
from
the
county
and
from
neighboring
municipalities
to
the
extent
that
we
can
coordinate
with
them
and
with
the
state
and
with
the
federal
government,
and
I
realized
that
there
are
some
people
so
kind
of
people
who
work
with
social
human
services
who
are
coordinating
with
those
other
levels
of
government.
But
I
think
it's
time
for
us
as
policy
makers
to
coordinate
with
policy
policymakers
at
those
other
levels
of
government.
G
I
would
love
to
see
an
allegheny
county
sort
of
delegation
of
policymakers
come
together
to
at
all
levels
of
government
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
support
each
other,
because
you
know
you
can
talk,
we
can
do
what
we
can
do,
but
we,
you
know,
we
can't.
We
don't
have
jurisdiction
over
the
county
jail
or
what
the
da
does.
We
don't
have
jurisdiction
over
a
lot
of
things
that
the
state
does
like.
Police
discipline
is
handled
by
arbitration
that
is
handled
under
act
11
at
the
state
level.
G
I
mean
we
don't
have
control
over
that.
We
don't
have
control
over
ending
qualified
immunity
which
has
come
up
a
lot,
that's
at
the
federal
level,
so
I
really
would
love
to
see
us
come
together
as
policymakers
to
to
support
one
another's
efforts
and
share
information,
so
look
forward
to
having
those
conversations
as
well.
Thank
you.
That's
all
I
have.
I
know
that
was
a
lot,
but
thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
and
now
we
have
councilwoman
gross.
X
X
There
certainly
are
deeper,
more
complicated
issues
and
kind
of
each
of
these
buckets,
but
I
think
it
was
really
covered,
as
councilman
coghill
said,
the
kind
of
like
well,
we
think
you
know
there
are
all
these
different
aspects
to
this
conversation
and
I
feel
like
every
one
of
the
aspects
that
we
had
talked
amongst
ourselves
about
was
covered
here
today.
So
thank
you
so
much.
X
X
I
usually
do
this
when
we've
had
a
a
public
hearing
and
we've
heard
a
lot,
I
want
to
kind
of
try
to
reiterate
what
I
heard
today
and
I
want
to
say
that
there
are
some
perspectives
here
at
the
table
that
are
talking
about
just
this
violence,
intervention
which
is
critical
right,
but
that
there
are
other
people
here
at
the
table
that
are
talking
about
expanding
that
right.
X
We
heard
a
lot
today
about
how
we
have
a
volume
of
calls
to
9-1-1
and
that
we
need
to
do
better
in
our
response
to
these
christ
moments
of
crisis
that
citizens
are
having
that
they
don't
all
require
an
armed
police
response
and
that
the
I
think
both
the
police
and
members
of
the
administration
are
rightly
focusing
on
how
we
can
reduce
police
response
to
some
of
the
crisis
that
we
see
in
the
community
and
that
triage
those
and
direct
other
programs
towards
them.
But
that's
not
the
only
perspective
here
at
the
table.
X
I
also
heard
people
saying
that
what
council
needs
to
do
is
not
just
refinance
or
improve
or
fund
police
programs
or
reforms,
nor
only
focus
on
crisis
response,
but
that
we
need
to
have
a.
I
think,
especially
ms
fisher
said.
We
need
to
really
talk
about
root
causes
that
are
investments
in
the
community.
Certainly
other
council
members
have
spoken
to
this
as
well
that
so
we
have
less
crisis
right.
So
there
is
less
fewer
of
our
citizens
are
in
crisis
and
having
moments
that
need
to
be
responded
to
right.
X
So
those
really
increasing
the
health
and
social
wellness
and
mental
health
wellness
and
security
in
our
neighborhoods
and
in
our
households
in
those
neighborhoods,
and
I
think,
what
we're
really
paying
the
price
for
as
a
city
is
all
of
the
divestments
over
the
number
of
years
that
the
federal
state
and
county
level
in
our
kind
of
what
we
used
to
call
in
the
old
days,
the
social
safety
net
right
and
in
the
the
kind
of
it's
really
job.
The
lack
of
jobs.
Councilman
coghill
has
been
bringing
up
to
me
a
lot
yesterday.
T
X
Many
of
the
things
that
we
talk
about
at
city
council-
that's
what
we're
paying
our
citizens
are
paying
the
price
for
these
lack
of
investments
over
decades.
And
so
I
don't
want
us
to
lose
sight
of
that.
And
I
did
hear
some
concern
both
in
the
chat
room
and
in
the
speakers
that
the
structure
of
bill
404
so
2020-0404.
X
Does
seem
in
its
language
to
not
just
move?
I
think
I
heard
not
enough
money
away
from
the
police,
but
to
put
it
in
a
fund
that
is
structured
more
on
the
end
of
the
spectrum.
That
is
just
doing
more
of
our
current
programs,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
lose
that
point.
I
think
that
a
lot
that
some
of
the
speakers
made-
and
I
think
is
what
the
community
is
calling
for.
X
You've
heard
me
mention
before
the
thousands
of
emails
I
got
and
hundreds
of
them
were
from
my
district
and
they
weren't
calling
for
an
improvement
or
an
increase
in
funding
to
the
current
violence
intervention
programs.
X
So
I
I
well,
this
is
just
a
beginning
and
we
can
we
can
increase
the
funding
for
violence,
intervention
programs,
because
we,
I
think,
we've
heard
some
good
testimony
from
certainly
the
early
speakers
about
the
important
role
that
they're
playing
is
just
kind
of
community
liaisons
and
support
people,
and
I
am
supportive
of
that.
But
does
that
mean
we
need
to
structure
this
trust
fund?
To
do
that?
Funding
is,
I
think,
something
I've
heard
some
concern
about
from
both
these
panelists
and
from
other
members
of
the
public.
X
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
say
that
I
don't
I.
I
really
think
again
that
all
of
the
speakers,
I
think
you
did
such
a
good
job
of
of
putting
you
know,
giving
us
a
kind
of
three
three-dimensional
perspective
on
each
of
these
puzzle
pieces.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
being
here
and
again,
I'm
recommending
this
when
it
comes
out
in
a
youtube
link.
X
I'm
recommending
this
to
people
already
that
we
that
we
so
that
we
can
all
get
on
the
same
page,
and
I
think
that
is
that
is
exactly
what
a
post
agenda
is
supposed
to
do.
So.
Thank
you,
madam
president.
I
appreciate
it.
Thank.
H
H
I
wanted
to
ask
some
specific
questions
just
so
I
can
frame
what
I'd
like
to
ask.
What
is
so
just
so,
we
kind
of
had
this
understanding
of,
I
believe
it's
bill,
404,
where
it's
taking
it
taking
the.
If
my
understanding
is
that
it
by
2026
that
it
would
take
ten
percent
of
the
of
the
what
we
allocate
to
the
pittsburgh
board
of
police
now,
what
does
that
equal
in
terms
of
funds
in
2026
and
does
that
control?
H
Does
that
control
the
budget,
or
does
that
mean
that
the
budget
still
increases
every
year
for
the
police?
I'm
not
sure
who
might
question
it?
Maybe
councilman
reverend
burgess
or
someone
from
omb.
D
Omb
knows
the
number
that
thumbnail
shawn's
doing
there's
a
number,
but
it
does
not
they're
they're
not
connected
right
they're,
not
saying
I'm
not
saying
that
you
have
to
reduce
the
amount
of
the
police
budget.
What
I
am
saying
is
you
have
to
take
and
invest
in
a
an
equivalent
percentage
into
these
prevention
programs,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
really
the
number
and
the
reason
that
they
that
we
put
this
initial
the
initial
money
is
just
the
money
that
goes
from
the
savings
of
having
the
hiring
freeze.
D
So
that's
where
that
initial
250
comes
from
is
the
money
left
over
from
the
hiring
freeze
and
then
it
would
be
five
percent
this
year
and
then
another
percent
every
year,
so
that
we
would
slowly
build
up
to
10
in
the
equivalent
of
10.
So
it
would
cost
us
to
make
some
budgetary
decisions.
D
I
don't
I
don't,
and
so
I
said
I
mean
the
budget.
People
can
tell
you
exactly
what
that
number
is,
and
I
can
get
sean
hardy
to
come
back
and
give
you
that
number.
But
that's
kevin
you're
here
tell
me
what
you
can
do.
You
can
give
them
numbers.
K
Yeah
so
for
2020,
the
the
overall
budget
of
the
bureau
of
capabilities
is
114
million
dollars,
but
with
that
I
would
like
being
those
are
things
that
are
fixed
costs
related.
K
K
So
if
we
are
talking
about
a
certain
percentage,
I
think
the
conversation
needs
to
look
at
what
the
model
that
we're
trying
to
work
towards
looks
like,
and
the
value
of
fixed
costs
as
well
with
that,
because
a
very
small
percentage
and
portion
of
the
police
budget,
which
is
six
and
a
half
percent
as
a
whole
right
is,
is
non-personnel
expenses
and
the
one
last
thing
I
would
like
to
note
is
when
I
cite
that
114
million
dollar
number-
that
is
the
budget
overall
budget
for
the
entire
bureau
and
the
entire
bureau
does
contain
other
aspen
clerical
positions
as
well
as
non-communion.
H
That's
I
mean
that's,
that's,
let's
get
me
started.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
yeah!
So,
right
now,
if
we,
if
today
was
2026,
that
114
would
be
over
10
million,
which
is
which
is
more
than
the
housing
opportunity
fund
that
we
have
in
place
where
we
spent
on
affordable
housing
to
try
and
give
people
housing.
You
know
the
right
of
the
right
of
good
housing
and
so
moving
forward
with
the
with
the
budgetary
concerns
in
in
this
bill.
H
404.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
I'm
sorry.
I
want
to
let
the
public
know
that
when
I,
when
I
looked
at
the
at
the
budget
in
the
past
year,
I
see
items
like
the
northview
heights
substation
and
to
try
to
get
to
a
more
community
police,
a
better
community
police
relations,
and
there
is
a
vision
to
increase
that
number
prior
to
what
happened
in
you
know
of
the
conversation
of
defund,
the
police,
and
I
just
want
to
ask
what
was
our
or
what
is
our
our
you
know,
our
our
budgetary.
H
You
know
for
that
vision.
What
is
our
budgetary
like?
How
much
does
that?
So
it's
a
two-part
question
one.
I
would
like
to
ask
randy
fisher
and
also
councilwoman
olivia
bennett
if
they
think
that
model
is
a
effective
to
be
to
still
be
included
into
the
police
department,
but
also
how
much
is
that
cost
and
how
much
would
that
cost
be
if
we
continue
to
implant
more
of
those
substations.
P
I
think
the
substations
and
concept
are
a
great
idea,
but
speaking
personally,
it's
specifically
for
the
one
that
sits
in
northview
heights.
It
has
not
yielded
the
results
that
were
touted
when
it
was
presented
into
coming
up
here.
So,
like
I
said,
ideology
or,
or
you
know,
prac
practically
speaking,
it
is
not
done
what
it
should
be
doing.
Like
cops,
walking
the
beat
building
relationship
with
community
members,
especially
children,
starting
a
mentoring
program.
I
mean
there's
so
much
potential
that
could
come
from
that
community
station.
P
That
has
not
so
I
mean
yes,
I
I
I
like
the
theory,
but
theories
are
great.
It's
the
impact
and
practice
that
is
important
and
that
hasn't
shown
through.
H
K
I
I
don't
know
off
the
top.
My
head,
I
don't
know
if
any
other
substations
are
currently
budgeted
for
in
the
capital
budget
document.
K
I
would
have
to
do
some
digging
and
I
can
get
back
to
you,
but
I
I
will
say
that
when,
when
we
did
put
that
that
substation
in
place,
you
know
we're
trying
to
work
towards
having
that
presence
in
there
and
we
are
receiving
funds
back
to
help
supplement
some
of
the
the
programs
such
as
shot
spotter,
that
is
in
that
area
as
well.
N
Okay,
thank
you.
I
just
as
far
as
the
substations
are
concerned.
N
The
number
one
issue
I
had
with
the
substations
is
that
they
were
created
as
an
answer
to
like
a
community
need-
and
I
know
some
people
are
calling
for
them,
because
it's
still
the
belief
that
police
solve
crime
or
their
answer
to
crime
when
they're
really
just
enforcers
of
the
law,
and
I
think
people
need
to
understand
like
what
the
police
are
for
and
so
as
I
don't
think
that
the
substations
are
the
best
answer
to
what
we
need,
and
I
also
think
it's
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse,
because
we
have
terrible
relations
between
the
police
and
the
community,
especially
in
some
of
these
communities
that
we
are
putting
these
substations
in
in
particular,
and
we're
only
putting
them
in
certain
communities
right.
N
I
don't
see
them
anywhere
else.
We
put
the
substation
downtown
as
a
response
to
the
youth
and
the
t
station
and
what
was
happening
with
you
know:
10
different
schools
being
let
out
downtown
at
the
same
time
we're
thinking
about
putting
a
substation
in
the
middle
of
homewood.
We
put
one
in
northview
heights.
It's
always
this
answer
to
black
communities.
We
don't
see
them
anywhere
else,
and
so
I
don't
believe
that
that
is
the
answer
to
the
issues
that
are
happening
in
those
communities.
I
don't
think
police
more
police
is
the
answer.
H
Okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
to
mention
that
you
know
I
do.
I
do
hear
the
concern
or
that
what
what
this
fund
may
not
solve
is
the
root
problems,
and
so
I
just
want
to
bring
to
the
front
of
the
conversation
of
the
amount
of
funds
that
initially
what
we're
talking
about
and
where
that,
where
those
funds
may
go-
and
so
I
am
interested
in
in
in
the
conversation
that
go
down
the
road
of
talking
about
lifting
people
up
out
of
poverty
and
really
trying
to
understand.
H
Maybe
next
time
we
can
have
a
group
that
can
speak
to
this.
H
I
really
appreciate
all
all
the
all
the
you
know,
all
the
groups
that
are
on
this
agenda,
and
I
really
appreciate
madam
president's
leadership
in
this.
Just
as
I'm
just
thinking
this
through.
I
think
it
would
be.
I'm
not.
I
don't
know
of
groups
that
are
focused
on
lifting
neighborhoods
up
out
of
the
individuals,
and
you
know
getting
at
the
root
causes
of
of
you
know
where
some
some
actions
may
come
from.
H
I've
only
had
the
the
experience
to
have
conversations
with
people
that
have
found
a
good
union
job
and
you
know,
may
not.
Msr
have
been
you
know.
They've
told
me
their
story
about.
They
have
had
some
troubles
in
the
past
and
you
know,
may
have
not
had
the
best
opportunity
to
found
opportunity
through
this
jaw
job
opportunity
and
really
to
provide
for
their
family
and
to
to
move
their
family
into
the
middle
class,
and
I'm
really
inspired
by
those
stories.
H
And-
and
you
know,
I
realized
that
jobs
are
a
big
part
of
it.
But
it's
not
the
only
part.
So
that's
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
work
with
you,
madam
president,
to
to
do
to
do
some
some
outreach
on
respect
to
to
see
what
groups
may
maybe
could
be
included
in.
H
Possibly
even
you
know
right
on
on
on
scene
with
with
some
of
these
substations,
as
maybe
the
promises
that
these
substations
the
issues
that
they
were,
that
they're
supposed
to
fix
may
not
completely
solve
in
the
one
or
two
years
that
they've
been
active,
and
so
I
mentioned
that
conversation.
I
will
definitely
work
with
you
to
you
know
to
have
those
conversations
with
these
groups
so
thanks.
I
I
really
just
want
to
speak
to
that.
H
That
was
a
something
that
really
came
to
the
you
know
for,
for
my
my
thinking.
Thank
you.
B
D
The
root
cause
of
the
problem
we
have
is
systematic
institutional
racism
and
the
lack
of
having
some
national
policies
that
fight
poverty,
such
as
health
care.
For
all,
you
know
universal
pre-k,
universal
college,
there's
some
things
that
I
think
are
programs
that
are
on
a
national
level
that
would
mitigate
against
poverty.
But
so
I
want
to
just
make
a
few
things
about
our
local
concerns
in
terms
of
where
what
I
intend
to
do
moving
forward.
D
So
I'll
lay
my
cars
on
the
table
today
from
around
2009
or
so
when
I
first
brought
the
group
violence
initiative
program
was
originally
called.
Pittsburgh
is
to
produce
crime
to
pittsburgh,
it
had
three
components
and
it
would
cost
1.2
million
dollars.
The
three
components
were
certainly
the
pleasing
component,
which
we
do
the
outreach
workers
which
we
do
in
part,
a
full-fledged
social
service
program
which
we
never
did
and
subsidize
employment,
which
we
never
did
in
order
to
do
the
program
really
right.
In
that
time,
the
estimate
was
about
1.2
million
dollars.
D
We
invested
about
300
grand
into
it.
I
think
at
most
we've
just
put
500
000
we've
never
fully
funded,
even
though
it's
had
great
results
from
its
very
onset,
there
was
other
components
where
they're
necessary
I
have
to.
I
have
to
get
off
the
phone.
Unfortunately,
I
have
an
emergency,
but
I
will
I
will
continue
this
conversation
with
standing
committees.
B
Thank
you
thank
you
reverend,
and
so
that
leaves
me,
and
I
have
some
questions
myself,
but
I'm
not
going
to
keep
everybody
alone,
because
I
know
how
painful
these
meetings
are.
But
I
do
think
that
I'd
like
to
know
a
couple
things
director.
Maybe
you
can
answer,
have
you
been?
Do
you
have
groups
that
are
working
on
some
of
these
issues
independently
of
the
legislation
or
anything
council's
doing?
Do
you
have
groups
working
on
this
kind
of
stuff?
B
I've
heard
a
lot
of
things
here
today
and
I'm
just
wondering
what
to
me.
It
sounds
like
there
needs
to
be
a
lot
of
breakout
sessions
and
that
there
needs
to
be
continuing
conversations,
but
I'm
assuming
that
you
already
have
some
of
those
things
ongoing.
So
I
just
I
don't
want
to
duplicate
efforts.
I
want
to
enhance
efforts.
So
could
you
explain
what
you're
doing
on
that
end,
because
I
think
you
are
doing
something
yeah.
I
We
have
had
several
meetings
with
reverend
burgess
and
councilman
lavelle's
staff
to
include
the
law
department
and
the
solicitor,
and
we
in
fact
we
have
another
one
scheduled
this
afternoon
and
we
bring
in
the
appropriate
people
depending
on
what
the
legislation
is.
So,
yes,
we
do
have
groups
and
we're
working
at
a
a
very
I
don't
wanna
say
a
rapid
pace,
but
you
know
a
to
meet
the
reverence
deadlines
of
presenting
it
to
council.
I
So
I
I
think
that
we've
made
a
lot
of
headway.
I
mean,
I
think,
some
of
the
legislation
we're
down
to
some
fine
points.
Now
we
have
to
be
very
careful
on
some
of
it
because
some
of
it
involves
collective
bargaining
and
you
know
cbas
with
unions
and
that
so
but
yes
to
answer
your
question,
we
do
have
working
groups.
B
Okay
and
then
some
of
those
groups
might
or
might
not
include
residents.
People
from
the
community
activists
advocates
for
people
they
may
or
may
not
include
some
of
them
or
it's
just
just
totally
separate,
exciting.
I
I
think
that
number
one
is
to
get
the
legislation
presented,
that's
favorable,
to
both
the
council
and
to
public
safety,
and
then
I
think
that
it
would
be
up
to
council
to
have
whatever
group
that
they
want
to
have
public
input
on
the
legislation
and
go
from
there.
B
Okay,
I'm
just
gonna
say
I
for
me:
I
think
that
we've
been
revisiting
these
issues
now
for
years
and
in
some
places
decades
and
it's
the
same
thing
same
results
over
and
over
again,
and
I
just
think
that
there
needs
to
be
some
ongoing
effort
with
the
community
and-
and
I
thought
that
there
was
something
going
on
with
some
of
the
community
groups,
and
I
think
that
they're
just
having
conversations
about
not
even
just
reverence
legislation.
B
I
really
think
that
the
legislation
should
be
created
after
we
talk
to
the
public
not
before
we
talk
to
the
public,
so
we're
making
sure
that
we're
doing
what
the
public's
elected
us
to
do.
That's
number
one.
But
I
do
think
that
there's
reasons
why
council
members
do
it
differently
and
I
think
some
of
it
is
they're
reacting
to
their
constituents,
some
of
the
reacting
to
things
that
they
see
in
their
their
communities
in
their
districts,
and
they
want
to
address
that.
So
I
understand
that
I
just
I
feel
like
we.
B
We
get
the
best
legislation
when
we
bring
people
together
and-
and
I
want
to
say
that
I
will
have
somebody
from
the
fop.
I
need
to
work
with
chief
schubert
for
you
to
give
me
the
approval
to
have
somebody
somebody
from
the
the
bureau
that
works
the
streets
to
something
that's
doing
things
in
the
actually
knows
what
it's
like
to
be
a
police
officer
in
the
street
on
the
streets
of
the
city,
and
I.
B
Yes-
and
I
want
to
say
you
did
ask
me
to
invite
the
fop,
but
you
know
I,
I
won't
try
to
keep
this
productive
and
I
do
think
that
the
fop
is
passionate
about
this.
I
think
they
definitely
have
some
things
to
say,
but
I
think
that
I'd
like
to
hear
from
people
that
are
going
to
help
us
work
through
things.
I
I
told
you
once
before,
brandi
fisher
and
I
met
with
with
and
brady
could
talk
about.
This
was
legislation
that
came
together.
B
B
A
little
bit-
and
it
was
actually
good
because
they
got
a
lot
of
things
out,
but
they
ended
up
being
friends
at
the
end.
Well,
they
could
talk.
I
don't
know
how
great
your
friends,
you
are
brandi.
You
could
talk
to
that,
but
they
actually
were
able
to
work
through
things
because
they
sat
down
together
and
we
had
a
mutual
respect.
B
That
okay,
I
don't
maybe
see
things
the
way
you
see
them,
but
I'm
willing
to
listen,
and
I
think
that's
what
led
to
a
lot
of
productivity
for
that
meeting
and
those
bills
actually
ended
up
passing
with
some
amendments,
but
they
did
pass,
but
I
so
I
do
want
to
have
them
at
the
table.
B
So
I
want
to
say
that
they
will
be
at
the
table
at
some
point,
but
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
also
talking
to
the
people
that
are
working
with
the
community
a
lot
and
so
maybe
we'll
have
one
of
those
meetings
brandi
in
the
interim
before
the
next
public
post
agenda.
B
Maybe
we'll
have
a
meeting
with
somebody
from
the
fop
and
the
director,
the
chief
and
try
to
get
you
know
come
together
on
some
things,
and
so
then
I
so
I
so
I'm
curious
about
that,
because
I'm
also
curious
about
I'm
hearing
about
the
funding
and
funding
in
some
of
these
groups,
and
I'm
going
to
be
honest,
I
mean
chrissy.
Porter
is
doing
amazing
work
in
in
sheridan
and
we
have
the
hope
for
tomorrow
group
we
have
salt
saving
life.
Today
we
have
a
lot
of
groups
in
our
district.
B
That
work,
I
mean
hand
to
hand
with
the
police
and
they've
done
it
for
decades.
They've
done
for
a
very
long
time.
It
used
to
be
chief
schubert.
They
used
to
work
with
when
he
was
the
command.
Then
commander
of
zone
six,
and
he
really
set
the
standard
back
then
about
how
people
had
to
work
with
the
community
and
they
there
was
a
definite
change.
You
could
tell
in
that
in
that
bureau
I
mean
that
zone
six
at
the
time
it
was.
It
was
very
different.
B
B
He
did
that
and
we
used
to
work
with
ken
stevling
and
we
still
have
kenny,
who
does
a
lot
of
work
and
doesn't
get
a
lot
of
credit,
because
I
think
he's
he's
quiet
about
what
he
does.
Sometimes
some
we
have.
You
know
some
people
that
you
know
what
they
do
and
some
people
that
do
a
lot
behind
the
scenes
that
you
don't
know
anything
about
and
then
mount
washington
zone.
Three.
We
have
chris
laffy
and
I
know
that
you
have
michael
gay
over
and
is
over
in
zone
five
correct.
B
I
don't
know
who
you
have
chief
over
in
zone,
one,
that's
correct,
yeah
or
four.
I
don't
know,
but
so
I
do
want
to
say
that
some
of
them
do
a
lot
of
work
and
they've
been
doing
it
for
a
long
time.
But
I
wonder
why
we're
not
trying
to
instead
of
we're
struggling
council's,
struggling
right
now
with
akbo
funding
and
what
we
should
do
with
that
funding
and
was
trying
to
make
the
most
impact
with
it.
B
I
think
we
could
give
even
a
hundred
thousand
to
each
each
zone,
maybe
find
another
hundred
somewhere
else
and
to
each
zone
and
then
let
them
determine
what
groups
are
doing
things
productive
in
those
zones
and
and
how
they
can
do
things.
That
would
really
affect
change,
and
that
would
be
a
good
start
to
see.
It'd
be
a
good
pilot
program
to
see
how
that
would
actually
work,
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
that
we
have
some
money
here.
B
And
then,
when
you
talk
about
the
military
vehicles,
I
I
mean
I
I've
heard
both
positive
and
negative
about
those
as
well.
But
I'm
wondering
if
there
maybe
just
can't
be
different
policy
changes
that
not
that
we
don't
need
them,
but
maybe
the
the
use
of
them,
but
I
think
part
of
that
is
it
sounds
simple
like
you,
you
send
them
when
there's
a
domestic
or
something,
but
that's
actually
how
we
lost
three
officers.
There
was
a
domestic
and
you
know
I
think
that
it
was.
B
It
was
one
of
those
vehicles
that
pulled
up
to
the
scene
that
was
able
to
put
an
end
to
it.
Who
knows
how
much
more
damage
and
would
have
occurred?
How
much
you
know
how
many
more
people
would
have
been
hurt
or
killed?
Had
it
not
been
for
that
vehicle?
So
I
I
but
I
do
hear
because
I
mean
I
would
be
honest
with
you.
B
I
you
know
I'm
in
the
community
a
lot,
and
so
when
people
see
this
swat
truck,
I
mean
it
does
cause
anxiety
and
it
does
cause
a
lot
of
emotion
in
the
community.
So
I
think
maybe
having
those
conversations
with
the
chief
would
be
really.
You
know
really
helpful
and
when
we're
talking
about
the
outreach
programs,
I
don't
know
how
we're
keeping
track
of
who's
doing
what
and
you
know
the
the
time
cards
are.
B
B
M
Out
time
sheets
and
there's
weekly
and
there's
weekly
meetings,
where
we
follow
up
where
all
the
teams
come
together
on
a
regular
basis
where
we
go
over
what's
going
on,
but
yeah
time
sheets
are
filled
out.
You
know
I
touch
base
with
each
person.
I
mean
things
have
been
changed
up
a
little
bit
since
the
covid,
so
we
haven't
had
as
many
you
know,
in-face.
You
know
face-to-face
meetings,
but
we've
still
been
following
up
over.
M
B
So
it's
kind
of
cure,
I'm
curious
because
I've
heard
different
stories
about
that
different
versions
of
that
from
people.
You
know
on
the
streets,
not
myself,
but
but
but
what
I've
heard.
But
I
mean
there's
some
people.
You
can
actually
see
everything
they're
doing
because
they
they
post
a
lot
of
it
on
facebook.
So
some
of
those
things
you
can
visually
see,
but
I,
but
I
also
think
that
we're
expecting
them
to
be
social
workers
and
they're
not
and
I'm
wondering
if
they're
not
giving,
maybe
not
the
greatest
advice.
B
Maybe
that's
like
me
giving
my
kids
advice
on
some
things.
I
mean
sometimes
I'm
good
and
sometimes
I'm
I'm
way
off
the
mark
because
it
may
not
be
an
area
I'm
really
familiar
with,
but
I'm
a
mom-
and
I
know
what
I
want
for
my
kids.
So
I
think
that
that's
where
we
need
to
have
real
professionals
doing
some
of
the
things
in
the
community.
When
I
hear
some
of
the
parenting
things
and
some
of
the
advice
I
hear
people
give
about
parenting,
it
makes
me
cringe
and
not
that
I
want
to
be
honest.
B
I
had
a
lot
of
parenting
advice
myself
and
my
kids
wish
I'd
listened
to
half
of
it.
So
I
do
think
that
you
know
if
it
depends
where
you're
giving
that
advice.
If
it's
somebody
who's
an
expert
it
matters,
they
may
be
giving
something
better,
but
being
a
parent
doesn't
make
you.
The
expert
and
part
of
my
concern
is
that
we
don't
do
a
lot
with
the
county,
and
you
know
when
I
one
of
the
reasons
I've
met
with
the
county.
Dhs
was
because
in
sheridan
we
have
half
of
that.
B
Neighborhood
is
50
transit,
so
half
the
people
that
live
there
this
year
won't
win
their
next
year.
Half
the
people
that
attend
half
the
students
that
attend
langley
won't
attend
their
next
year.
If
they
attend
this
or
they
won't
attend
next
year,
and
as
we
started
looking
into
it,
it
was
because
there
were
so
many
open
cyf
cases
and
what
was
happening
was
people
were
losing
their
children,
and
so
then
the
kids
weren't
going
back
to
school
or
they
were
leaving
the
community
because
they
didn't
want
to
lose
their
children.
B
But
there
was
no
preventive
program
to
make
sure
that
people
weren't,
even
in
that
situation
in
the
first
place-
and
the
answer
has
always
been.
Let's
do
something
for
the
kids:
let's
do
something
for
kids
and
I
said
finally,
I
said
to
people:
you
can
keep
people
from
early
in
the
kids
from
early
in
the
morning
to
late
at
night,
if
we
are
not
doing
something
for
the
family,
we're
sometimes
sending
them
home
to
some
of
the
same
dysfunction.
They're
fleeing
from
in
the
first
place,
it
depends
on.
B
The
community
depends
on
the
house
depends
on
the
family,
but
so
we're
not
really
helping
kids.
So
I
think
if
you
really
want
to
help
kids,
you
have
to
help
their
families
and
I
think
the
county
needs
to
do
a.
I
don't
know
when
the
last
time
they
did
a
needs
assessment
of
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
I
mean,
if
we
still
responding
to
things
that
happened
decades
ago
and
instead
of
changing
the
way,
we're
doing
some
things
and
and
honestly,
even
the
community
policing.
B
When
I
see
the
community
policing,
we
predominantly
do
community
policing
in
african-american
communities,
because
we
think
that's
where
the
problem
is.
But
when
I
saw
the
protest,
I
saw
a
lot
of
white
kids
from
lawrenceville
down
there
and
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
community
policing
happening
over
there.
So
I
just
want
to
say
maybe
sometimes
we
shouldn't
just
assume
because
to
me
that's
almost
discriminatory
that
we're
assuming
that's
the
areas
that
need
policing
or
whatever.
B
And
meanwhile,
in
my
district,
some
of
my
african-american
neighborhoods
are
some
of
the
most
supportive
of
the
of
the
police,
and
I
mean
and
chief
schubert
knows
that
I
mean
they're
they'll
come
out
and
speak
and
fight
and
and
help
the
police
before
they
they'd
help.
Somebody
else.
Sometimes
it's
amazing
some
of
the
things
they
do.
But
so
I
just
think
we
need
to
rethink
that,
sometimes,
and
and
not
just
assume
that
it's
african-american
communities
that
just
disagree
and
could
you
know
don't
get
along
with
police,
because
in
some
cases
that's
the
total
opposite.
B
And
so
I
don't
know,
I
mean
councilwoman
bennett.
Is
there
any
effort
on
the
county's
part
to
do
an
on
an
updated,
maybe
a
needs
assessment,
or
is
that
something
that
maybe
you
could
look
into
for
the
city
of
pittsburgh?.
P
I
could
definitely
look
into
that.
I
have
not
heard
any
discussion
on
it,
but
I
can
get
to
the
table.
B
Okay,
I
just
really
would
because
I
love,
I
would
love
to
see
that
happen,
because
I
think
then
we
can
look
at
the
county's
billion
dollar
budget
for
what
needs
for
social
services
and
figure
out
where
we
should
be.
Maybe
we
need
to
change
different
programming
instead
of
worrying
about
open
spending
all
the
money
on
cyf.
Maybe
we
could
worry
about
spending
the
money
on
getting
services
to
prevent
parents
from
ever
getting
you
know
into
that
situation
with
their
kids
and
really
there
probably
a
lot
of
kids.
B
That
would
help
love
us
for
it,
because
they
would
be
so
grateful
to
be
out
of
that
situation
of
of
abuse,
but
most
kids,
even
if
they're
abused,
don't
want
to
leave
their
home.
So
I
think
I'd
love
to
see
the
kids
stay
in
their
home,
but
their
parents
having
a
some
real
help,
and
I
think
that
also
goes
with
employment
and
some
other
things
that
and
drug
and
alcohol
counseling
and
things
that
that
we
know
that
need
to
happen.
B
So
I
think
a
lot
of
this
is
I'm
glad
that
the
mayor's
office
came
up
with
this.
The
new
office
to
address
the
health
and
mental
mental
health
of
the
residents
of
the
city,
but
I
think
that
you
know
it's
a
conversation.
We
should
be
doing
and
working
hand
in
hand
with
the
county
on
so
with
that
said,
I'm
good
there's
a
lot
that
we,
I
could
say
a
lot
more
of,
but
I
will
say
that
we
have
a
public
hearing
coming
up
on
saturday
at
noon
to
register.
B
Give
the
could
you
do
the
thing,
could
you
say
just
wanting
to
give
the
website
or
the
phone
number
for
registering
for
the
hearings
for
the
public
hearings
coming
up,
yeah
go.
A
Sure
the
website
is,
you
would
go
on
to
pittsburghpa.gov
and
you
would
click
on
city
council
and
go
to
the
city
clerk's
office
and
there
you
will
find
a
list
of
the
different
hearings
that
are
upcoming
for
city,
for
the
hearings
on
this
subject
and
the
phone
number
to
call
and
register
for
these
public
hearings
is.
A
A
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
both
very
much.
I
apologize
for
putting
you
on
spotlight,
but
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
have
a
congress
conversation.
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
conversation
too
about
the
police
and
how
we
do
support
them,
because
they
are
out
there
doing
a
very
difficult
job.
I
think
that
you
know
it's
always
the
first
place
we
go
when
there's
something
that
happens,
but
sometimes
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
some
out
some
other
things
that
are
going
on.
B
I
mean,
and
sometimes
in
addition
to
it,
I'm
not
saying
that
councilman
caulker
and
I
know
I've
had
this
conversation.
I
think
that
we
have
to
always
constantly
look
and
see
how
we
can
change
things
and
making
sure
that
we're
serving
residents
and
protecting
residents
and
doing
the
things
that
we're
elected
to
do
and
that
they're
hired
to
do.
B
But
I
also
am
not
foolish
and-
and
I
do
understand
that
there's
a
lot
of
police
officers
doing
amazing
things
every
day
in
our
community
and
and
the
program
for
hope
for
tomorrow
would
not
be
in
existence.
Had
it
not
been
for
a
lot
of
officers
over
the
years
who
volunteer
every
day
after
school
to
help
or
I'm
sorry,
every
time
the
program's
in
place
to
to
make
sure
that
program
operates.
We
have
a
whole
host
of
programs
that
that
we
depend
on
their
volunteerism
and
they're,
not
getting
paid
it's
their
volunteerism.
B
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
clear,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
that
they
even
good
officers
know
they
want
to
do
what
they
have
to
do,
to
make
sure
that
the
entire
department
is
safe
and
and
sharing
the
same
message
and
doing
things
on
behalf
of
the
residents
that
keep
them
safe
and
protected
and
keep
their
officers
safe
and
protected.
And
I
do
want
to
thank
director
historic
and
chief
schubert
for
always
doing
a
really
good
job.
B
I
mean
I
think
that
I'm
probably
a
really
big
pain
to
them
for
a
lot
of
the
times,
but
I
think
that
they
do
a
lot
in
terms
of
responding
to
calls
responding
to
community
on
different
things.
And
so
I
really
want
to
acknowledge
that
your
work
and
thank
you
for
that
and
and
that
of
your
rank
and
file,
and
and
I'm
not
going
to
pretend
that
I
don't
have
some
issues
with
some
of
the
union
leadership
because
and
it's
not
so
much
that
I
have
an
issue
with
the
leadership.
B
But
I
also
want
to
thank
the
advocates
and
and
activists,
because
it's
not
it's
not
always
easy
getting
up
in
this
in
a
city
where
they
really
do
respect
their
police
department.
Here,
it's
not
always
easy.
Getting
up
and
saying
hey.
We
need
to
rethink
things.
It's
not
easy
to
say
that.
B
Maybe
there
are
some
mental
health
issues
that
we
need
to
address,
but
yet
they're
they're
doing
it
they're
fighting
for
people
every
day
so
and
all
the
people
in
between
working
working
to
make
sure
that
we're
a
safe
city
and
that
we're
a
city
that's
beneficial
for
everyone
to
live
for.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
for
your
work
and
we
will
have
a
post
agenda
on
set
or
public
hearing
on
saturday.
B
S
B
D
I'm
back
on,
I
had
one
of
the
problems
of
working
from
home.
Is
that
my
other?
Sometimes
my
other
job
gets
in
the
way
I'm
doing
a
funeral
on
saturday,
and
so
I
got
a
call
from
that
family
and
that
I'm
working
with,
if
I
could
say
just
so.
D
So
if
I
can
just
finish
three
thoughts
and
real
quick,
is
that.
D
We
can't
solve
all
these
issues
right.
One
of
the
things
we're
gonna
have
to
talk
about
seriously
is
not
so
much
changes
to
the
police,
because
we've
really
done
that.
You
know
we've
we
have
over
the
last
10
years
been,
I
think,
in
part,
not
only
us,
but
with
with
the
public
safety
director
said,
is
exactly
right,
our
police
and
with
the
chiefs.
D
It
is
right,
it's
become
a
very,
very
different
police
force
and
we've
worked
with
them
and
I
think
they
have
modernized
and
we
have
one
of
the
best
police
forces
in
the
country.
I
believe
that,
down
to
my
toes,
that's
correct
the
question
that
we're
going
to
face
is
with
the
right
number.
I
think
that's
the
question
really,
because
you
can't
it's
it's
and
I
believe
I
agree
with
mitch
coghill,
but
I
I
have
said
publicly,
there
is
no
number
high
enough
to
play
police
officers.
D
I
have
no
problem
with
giving
them
more
resources.
If
you
put
your
life
on
the
line
you
deserve
as
much
as
we
can
forgive
you.
The
real
challenge
is
going
to
be,
and
I've
been
talking
about
this
really
for
years.
Not
so
much
not
all,
not
all
the
time
loudly
is
with
the
number
of
officers,
that's
really
where
the
rubber
will
beat
the
road
and
get
to
erica's
concern
right.
It's
how
many
officers,
because
that's
the
bulk
of
the
budget,
the
bulk
of
the
budget,
is
in
the
number.
D
You
know
each
officer
costs
us
100,
grand
or
so
a
year.
So
it's
going
to
be
how
how
what's
the
right
size
of
officers?
That's
the
that's
going
to
be
where
we
have
the
conversation
about
and
that's
where
they
are.
I
think
the
disagreement
will
come
to
is
that
how
many
how
many
officers
are
actually
needed?
D
And
then,
if
we
have
less
officers,
that
savings
can
go
into
social
service
programs
and
then,
in
the
short
run,
three
things
that
I'm
going
to
be
pushing
for
one
is
the
passage
of
the
bills
that
myself
and
councilman
lavelle
have
introduced
as
the
first
start
or
or
is
the
continuation
of
what
we've
been
doing
with
the
police
over
the
last
10
years.
Second
of
all
is
to
fully
fund
start
fully
funding
many
of
these
social
service
programs
that
we
believe
reduce
violence.
D
So
if
we're
going
to
have
less
police,
then
we
need
some
programs
that
specifically
target
violence
and
anti-crime
intervention,
and
then
the
third
thing
that
I'll
be
pushing
for
that
I
agree
with
chatera
is,
I
will
be.
I
will
be
pushing
for
this
model
of
embedding
social
workers
in
the
police.
I
think
that
it
would
take
longer
to
do
a
program
like
kaboom
and
training.
D
I
think
the
need
is
now,
and
so
those
are
the
three
the
rule
I'm
going
to
go
on
is
one
to
have
to
pass
these
initial
bills
and
continue
to
have
thoughtful
legislation
to
to
fully
fund
violence
prevention,
programming
which
the
stop
the
violence
fund
will
do
and
the
third
of
all
and
some
of
the
money
in
the
program
of
this
job,
the
bonus
program
can
go
into
the
social
worker
program
too.
I'm
really
really
really
committed
to
putting
the
social
worker
program
and
betting
them
with
the
police
force.
D
I
think
those
are,
in
my
sense,
the
first
three
steps
that
we
take
and
then
the
later
step
will
be
on
on
the
city
budget.
So
I
want
to
thank
the
activists,
the
community
leaders.
I
think
they
play
a
vital
part.
We
would
not
be
at
this
moment
without
them,
they
have
been.
They
are
actually
leading
this.
D
I
do
not
view
myself
as
leading
this,
I'm
simply
taking
some
of
their
ideas
and
some
of
their
concerns
and
try
to
put
it
into
legislation,
and
so
I
thank
them
for
the
leadership,
and
I
thank
you,
madam
president,
for
your
leadership.
I
think
this
has
been
excellent
and
this
is,
as
always,
you
know
you
are
in
a
very
thoughtful
way
of
bringing
people
together
and
coming
up
with
shared
solutions.
I
think
that
is
your.
Your
greatest
gift
and
greatest
level
of
expertise
is
in
doing
this,
and
you
do
this
in
a
unique
way.
D
Food
you
bring
in,
you,
know,
spaghetti
and
pizza
and
whatever
it
is,
we
want
and
we
don't
get
to
have
that
today,
but
the
same
process
has,
I
think,
and
so
again,
congratulations
to
you
sorry
for
having
to
leave
and
thank
you
for
this
this
brief
moment
to
share
my
concerns.
Thank.
B
You
thank
you,
reverend
and,
and
I
just
hope
that
we
really
take
our
time
and
do
this
right
is
what
I
care
about.
I,
I
actually
think
that,
and
I
will
say,
miss
pittinger
messaged
me
that
we
should
have
the
school
police
and
some
of
the
people,
the
pft
and
people
there
also
at
the
table
that
this
really
has
to
be
a
comprehensive
conversation,
and
I
really
think
it
has
to
be
a
little
bit
of
ongoing
and
but
real
purposeful
that
we're
working
towards
a
goal
by
a
certain
date.
B
But
I
feel
like
what
we're
doing
is
we're
working
right
now
to
get
the
legislation
passed
where
I
really
would
love
to
hear
more
from
people,
because
sometimes
they
come
up
with
the
most
amazing
things
that
you
never
even
thought
of,
and
and
sometimes
you
don't
know
of
issues
and
honestly,
I
think
the
fop
when
I
sat
down-
and
I
listened
to
some
of
them
like-
I
never
thought
some
of
the
things
that
they
needed
were
so
needed
and
they
are
sometimes
they
really
are
very
much
needed.
B
So
it's
it's
hearing
one
another
and
I
I
just
hope
that
we
continue
to
do
that
and
I
will
talk
to
the
administration
and
see
if
we
and
and
to
members
and
see,
if
maybe
we
can
form
some
groups
that
we
can
continue
these
conversations
and
we're
not
visiting
this
every
time.
Something
happens
in
the
country,
whether
it's
in
the
state
of
pennsylvania
or
city
of
pittsburgh
or
somewhere,
far
far
away
that
we're
we're
not
reacting.
B
But
we
already
have
a
plan
in
place
and
know
that
we've
dealt
with
it.
We're
already
doing
things
because
to
me
that's
what
community
policing
really
is
as
people
know,
and
they
trust
that
you
really
are
doing
the
best
that
you
can
do
and
and
you
really
have
their
back
and
there
wouldn't
be
a
need
for
something.
But
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
include
people.
You
know
in
in
councilwoman
gross's
district,
who
really
there
were
a
lot
of
protest
protesters
that
came
from
there.
B
A
lot
of
the
information
that
we
got
from
feedback.
We've
gone
from
people
who
are
from
councilman's
grocer's
district,
and
so
I
think
that
making
sure
that
we're,
including
all
people
and
because
and
not
making
it
seem
like
it's
just
the
african-american
community
that
we
have
to.
B
You,
know
that
we
have
to
listen
to
and
or
that
we
have
to
have
the
police
in
community
relationship
building
that
there's
also
people
that
that
are
of
different
races,
different
authenticities
that
have
have
different
opinions
as
well,
and
that
also
deserve
the
efforts
that
we're
doing
so.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
that
that
it's
not
discriminatory
that
we're
just
targeting
the
african-american
community
saying
you
know
they
need
better
policing,
because
maybe
they
maybe
a
lot
of
them,
already
feel
that
they
have
great
policing.
B
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
that,
that's
it
for
me!
So
can
I
have
a
meeting
to
adjourn
and
we'll
have
to
see
everybody
at
the
public
here
or
those
who
join
us
for
the
public
hearing
on
saturday
at
noon.
You
have
to
pre-register
at
the
city
clerk's
office.
So,
can
I
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
the
meeting.