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A
Good
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
pittsburgh
city
council's
post
agenda
on
the
mayor's
task
force
on
community
police
reform.
I
am
happy
to
be
joined
by
council
members,
krauss
and
wilson
at
this
time.
I
know
other
council
members
will
be
coming
in
later
on
today.
Obviously,
this
is
a
very
important
time
in
our
city.
We
wanted
the
task
force
that
just
came
out
with
a
report,
maybe
a
couple
weeks
ago
to
get
them
in
front
of
city
council
as
quick
as
we
possibly
could
to
understand
a
little
bit
of
their
recommendations.
A
They
all
work
very
hard
on
this.
I
know
there's
a
number
of
them
on
this
call
we're
going
to
pass
it
off
to
the
to
the
task
force
members
to
give
us
an
overview,
and
then
others
will
add
what
their
findings
were.
Maybe
some
steps
that
we
should
take.
I
think
it's
interesting.
You
know
some
of
the
steps
that
we
are
taking.
Other
cities
are
taking
the
same
thing,
so
I
think
we're
all
in
this.
A
You
know
relatively
large
conversation
around
police
reform
as
a
whole,
and
I
think
that's
a
good
thing
to
see
so
many
different
people
on
this
call
today,
so
I'm
going
to
pass
it
off
to
a
good
friend
who's,
going
to
start
it
as
one
of
the
co-chairs
of
the
task
force
and
then
they're
going
to
give
us
an
overview.
We're
also
now
joined
by
councilman
lavelle
as
well.
A
So
I
want
to
thank
my
council
colleagues
we're
going
to
go
through
their
report
as
quickly
as
we
can
so
that
council
members
have
the
ability
to
ask
as
many
questions
as
we
possibly
can.
So
I'm
going
to
pass
it
off
to
valerie
mcdonald
roberts
and
she's
going
to
take
it
from
here.
Take
it
away
pal
thank.
B
You
thank
you,
council
members,
thank
you,
councilman
o'connor
for
convenience
group
and
wanting
a
a
more
of
an
overview
and
as
well
as
a
deeper
dive
of
the
issues
that
we
addressed
as
the
task
force
that
was
convened
by
mayor
peduto.
B
I
just
do
want
to
first
of
all
acknowledge
all
of
the
task
force
members,
I'm
not
sure
if
all
are
here,
but
I
will
say
who
all
was
part
of
the
task
force
and
the
number
of
hours
that
were
spent
and
then
I'll
defer
to
dr
bullock
to
give
an
overview
of
our
overall
mission,
and
you
had
asked
councilman
o'connor
about
some
organizational
structures
that
were
in
place
to
help
us
get
to
this
point.
So
again,
it
was
dr
clinton
bullet.
B
B
In
the
past,
we
also
had
tony
beltran,
who
is
president
and
ceo
of
pittsburgh
mercy
richard
garland
assistant,
professor
university
of
pittsburgh,
school
of
public
health,
dr
bobby
watt,
greer
gear
president
and
ceo
united
way
of
southwestern
pennsylvania,
sylvia
fields,
executive,
director,
eaton
hall
foundation,
professor
david
harris
with
the
sally
and
simensko
chair
university
of
pittsburgh,
school
of
law,
amanda,
green
hawkins
assistant,
general
counsel,
united
steel
workers,
reverend
marie
kelly,
pastor
and
representative
of
western
pennsylvania
concerned
clergy,
patricia
leftwich.
B
What
dr
angela
reynolds,
ceo
ymca,
greater
pittsburgh
tim
stevens,
chairman
nc,
is
that
ceo
of
the
black
political
empowerment
project
rabbi
ron,
simons
director
center
for
lovingkindness
jewish
community
center
of
greater
pittsburgh,
miss
sharon
warner,
chief
operating
officer,
corporate
responsibility,
group,
pnc
bank
and
mr
nathaniel
yap
community
advocate
those
are
the
individuals
that
participated
meeting
for
weekly
for
a
while,
but
I'll
defer
to
dr
quinton
bullock
to
go
over
how
we
met
the
structures
that
we
met
with
them.
Thank
you,
dr
bullock.
C
Thank
you
co-chair
I'm
mcdonald's
roberts
and
thank
you,
council
members
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
today.
You
know.
First,
I
want
to
also
just
reiterate
what
a
diverse
and
committed
group
of
community
leaders
that
came
together
in
june
to
embrace
the
charge
that
was
presented
by
mayor
peduto,
and
just
to
restate
that
george,
so
that
everyone
is
on
the
same
page
as
we
continue
to
review
the
discussion.
C
C
As
we
begin
to
discuss
this
topic,
we
then
began
to
look
at
what
are
some
of
the
common
themes
that
we
could
work
towards,
and
the
list
was
quite
extensive
and
over
time
and
several
discussions,
the
task
force
agreed
on
the
eight
areas
of
focus
and
I
will
indicate
what
those
areas
are.
The
first
is
eliminating
racial
disparities.
C
C
After
a
lengthy
debate
and
discussion
of
and
getting
down
to
those
areas,
we
then
divided
our
task
force
into
subgroups
that
were
led
by
various
members
of
the
task
force.
This
allowed
members
to
do
and
deeper
dive
into
the
areas
identified
and
invite
in
speakers
review,
literature,
look
for
best
practices
and
then
bring
in
groups
to
the
entire
task
force
to
make
specific
presentations
until
we
got
adequate
information
to
help
us
zone
in
on
the
responses.
C
That
really
documented
a
commitment
of
a
task
force
that
brought
forth
an
authentic,
thoughtful
and
innovative
report
that
was
comprehensive
and
what
we
feel
are
fair,
achievable
goals
that
will
provide
a
solid
foundation
that
will
support
pittsburgh,
bureau,
police
and
the
city
of
pittsburgh
to
really
begin
to
move
our
city
and
region
as
a
whole
to
be
a
safe
and
welcoming
environment
for
all.
So
that's
a
quick
summary
of
each
of
the
areas
that
we
focused
on
and
the
general
processes
that
were
followed
to
help
bring
forth
the
report
that
was
presented
to
mayor
peduto.
A
D
B
Yeah,
do
you,
how
would
you
like
us
to
proceed?
Would
you
do
you
want
to
start
with
the
questioning
and
dr
bullock
and
I
can
preferably
bring
a
subcommittee
chair
or
someone
who
was
very
instrumental
in
delving
into
the
subject
area
that
you're
questioning
about
as
well
as
other
council
members.
A
E
F
If
the
staff
will
share
the
screen
with
the
letter,
because
I
wanted
to
read
it
into
the
record.
A
F
Okay.
Well,
in
that
case,
I'm
going
to
let
my
friend
david
go
because
I'm
going
to
have
to
print
it
out,
because
I
was
under
the
impression
it
would
be
on
the
screen.
E
Well,
I
want
to
thank
the
members
of
council,
especially
especially
councilman
o'connor,
for
organizing
this
meeting
this
morning
and
allowing
us
to
come
and
speak
to
you.
It's
been
three
weeks
since
the
release
of
our
task
force
report
and
it's
no
small
thing.
It
was
a
lot
of
work
as
you've
been
told.
E
I
would
like
to
thank
our
co-chairs,
miss
mcdonald
roberts
and
dr
bullock
for
leading
us
through
it
at
this
point,
I'm
speaking
only
for
myself,
of
course,
but
I
think
there
are
three
important
things
that
we
have
to
think
about.
Now
they
are
implementation,
implementation
and
implementation.
E
We
agreed
on
one
thing
above
all
else
that
dr
bullock
was
quite
right
when
he
said
there
were
contentious
moments
and
disagreements.
We
were
not
all
of
one
mind,
but
we
agreed
on
one
central
thing:
nobody
on
the
task
force
had
any
interest
in
producing
something,
a
report
that
would
sit
on
a
shelf
and
gather
dust.
We
want
to
see
these
recommendations
implemented
and
we
have
come
up
with
over
a
hundred
if
I
counted
right,
concrete
suggestions
and
recommendations
for
the
city.
E
Many
of
them
are
actionable
right
now
and
we
want
to
see
those
things
implemented.
I
think
that's
what
we
were
for.
I
know
that
the
mayor
and
the
council
have
actually
already
kind
of
crossed
paths
with
us
in
a
sense
that
they
have
enacted
legislation
and
issued
orders
that
parallel
many
of
the
things
that
we
recommend
it.
So
those
things
are
out
there
to
be
put
on
the
checked
off
list
right
now,
but
when,
if
we're
talking
about
implementation,
we
have
to
know
who's
in
charge
of
implementing
it.
E
What
person
or
person's
what
agency
where's
the
list
for
the
public
that
shows
which
of
these
things
have
been
done
and
the
tracks
what
is
going
to
be
done?
There
are
many
things
that
can
be
done
right
away
in
the
medium
term
in
the
short
term.
I'll
give
one
example:
you
know
that
the
first
area
of
interest
that
we
focused
on
was,
as
dr
bullock
said,
eliminating
racial
disparities.
E
We
focused
on
that
because
it
is
number
one
very
important
to
the
people
of
our
city,
particularly
people
in
the
black
community,
that
that
problem
be
addressed
and
addressed
directly,
but
also
because
there
was
data
out
there,
not
enough
data
in
our
opinion,
but
plenty
of
data
indicating
that
racial
disparities
existed
already.
It
was
in
the
police
department
data
for
all
to
see.
E
Therefore,
implementation
should
have
started
the
day
after
our
report
came
out.
What
could
we
do?
What
we
would
expect
is
what
we
asked
for.
We
wanted
the
city
and
the
police
department
to
tell
us.
Is
there
any
way
in
which
this
data
can
be
explained
on
a
non-racial
basis?
If
not,
that
means
this
problem
must
be
solved.
That
means
this
has
to
stop,
and
we
haven't
heard
anything
from
anybody
yet
explaining
on
a
non-racial
basis,
why
there
are
these
racial
disparities,
that's
one
that
could
be
acted
upon
right
now.
E
So
in
a
word,
it's
all
implementation.
We
want
to
know
who's
in
charge.
How
it's
going
to
happen,
the
timeline
we
want
to
see
these
things
put
into
action.
We
have
done
the
work
we
did.
We
did.
We
believe
we
presented
a
plan
that
is
both
far-reaching,
deep
and
reasonable
and
we'd
like
to
see
action,
and
I
applaud
the
city
council
for
sitting
down
today,
giving
us
a
chance
to
talk
about
where
things
should
go,
and
I
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
you.
A
Thank
you
david,
I
see,
rabbi's
hand
is
up
and
then
I'll
go
with
bobby
after
that.
Yes,
thank
you.
A
So
much
when
we
get
to
council
members,
you
were
first
then
councilman
wilson.
I
don't
know
if
councilman
lavelle
has
any
questions
and
then
councilwoman
gross,
I'm
just
going
to
go
as
we
usually
do
of
order
of
when
you
signed
in.
Thank
you.
A
H
You
thank
you
councilman
and
just
to
continue
with
dr
harris's
assessment
of
implementation,
just
on
the
good
news
front
regarding
officer
wellness.
H
So
it
was
the
day
after
the
report
was
released,
that
reverend
lydie
barlow
of
christian
associates
of
southwest
pennsylvania
and
reverend
darnell
drury
of
the
center
for
victims,
and
I
met
with
the
chief
of
police
and
his
command
staff
to
talk
about
forming
clergy,
community
police
councils
in
every
zone
and
throughout
all
90
neighborhoods,
so
they're
for
the
low-hanging
fruit
and
for
the
things
that
we
know
are
about
community
policing
that
are
about
officer
wellness
that
are
about
making
making
a
shared
sense
of
humanity
between
police
and
community.
I
Good
morning,
everyone
thanks
for
this
opportunity
to
connect
with
city
council
and
share
a
bit
about
the
work
of
the
task
force.
It's
it's
a
fool's
errand
to
follow
david
harris
and
rabbi
simons
in
terms
of
articulating
the
work
of
of
this
task
force,
but
I
I
do
feel
compelled
to
share
a
couple
of
things.
I
First
of
all,
I
came
at
this
work
really
without
much
experience
in
policing
or
police
reform,
and
we
spent
over
four
months
hours
and
hours
and
hours
each
week
meeting
with
experts
in
the
community
and
meeting
with
community
members,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
I
highlight
a
couple
of
groups
with
whom
we
met.
We
met
with
individuals
in
the
community
who
work
with
school
children,
particularly
african
american
school
children,
and
how
they
are
referred
to
police
95
percent
more
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
than
any
other
city
across
our
country.
I
Deeply
deeply
concerning.
We
met
with
members
of
the
lgbtqia
community
and
talked
with
them
about
how
their
experience
interacting
with
police
has
been.
We
talked
with
representatives
from
people
who
work
with
those
with
disabilities
and
how
they
interact
in
the
community
and,
of
course,
those
who
work
in
the
african-american
communities
these
these,
these
folks
came
to
us
with
their
concerns,
their
recommendations,
which
were
all
thoughtfully
discussed,
and
many
of
them
are
included
in
this
report,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
emphasize
that
and
emphasize
that
cross-cutting.
I
And
we
really
want
to
see
some
implementation
because
we
made
we
made
commitments
to
listen
and
and
put
those
ideas
forward,
and
so
I
just
want
to
echo
david's
exhortation
that
there
be
some
implementation
of
these
recommendations.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
We
will
go
to.
I
believe
tim.
Is
your
letter
ready
to
be
read
it
is
it
just
so
you
know
it
you're
on
mute
again.
F
I'm
gonna
see
if
I
can
share
on
the
screen.
I
had
a
difficulty
with
the
printer
so.
A
So
just
so
you
know
there's
some
technical
issue
that
we're
getting
from
our
department
that
that
says,
sharing
the
screen
is
not
working,
but
every
member
of
council
does
have
the
letter
and
it's
submitted
to
the
record.
So
we
all
did
receive
the
letter.
I
don't
know
if
you
just
want
to
do
an
overview
of
the
letter.
F
A
You
can
try.
I
there
there
seemed
to
be
a
glitch
in
our
system
this
morning
when
we
tried
to
share
some
things.
A
It's
it's
popping
up
now,
I
don't
know
maybe
they're
on.
I
don't
know
if
our
team,
what's.
F
A
We
have
the
letter,
if
you
want
me
to
look
it
up
and
try
to
read
it
later
on,
if,
if
that
would
work.
A
J
K
No
problem,
so
thanks
so
much.
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
convening
this
meeting
today
and
particularly,
I
want
to
extend
my
thanks
to
valerie
and
quinton
for
being
such
great
co-chairs
of
this
task
force
and
herding,
a
very
opinionated
group
of
cats,
but
they
did
it.
We
made
it,
but
I
wanted
to.
I
don't
want
to
just
reiterate
everything
that
folks
have
said
about
implementation,
but
I
do
really
want
to
highlight
what
david
said
about
the
implementation
piece,
which
is
you
know
when
we
started
this
task
force.
K
K
You
know
some
are
short-term,
that
we
can
implement
pretty
quickly.
Some
are
longer
term
projects,
and
we
recognize
that
it's
not
going
to
happen
tomorrow,
but
everything
we
included,
we
think,
needs
specific
attention.
So
I
just
would
hope
that
city
council
really
looks
at
each
and
every
recommendation.
It
doesn't
try
and
just
prioritize
okay,
let's
take
the
top
10
that
we
think
look
good,
every
single
one
of
them.
We
think
deserves
time
and
attention
and
implementation
correct.
A
A
B
I
don't
know
if
the
hand
raise
is
working,
but
it's
another
housekeeping
item
as
well,
because
I'd
rather
the
task
force
members
be
have
an
opportunity
at
this
time
to
comment
more
than
me
as
a
coach
here
I
when
we
talk
about
it,
was
very
broad,
as
everyone
has
said,
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
because
a
lot
of
people
have
looked
at
the
beginning
and
not
the
end
of
the
report
and
the
end
of
the
report
acknowledges
to
all
council
members
the
hours
that
other
people
spent
external
people
spent
in
helping
us
draft
this
report
and
bring
things
together.
B
So
I
just
want
to
give
some
acknowledgement
to
the
people-oriented
part
of
the
report
and
and
again
we
have
people
that
are
within
the
within
the
city
like
cprb,
the
gender
equity
commission,
we've
had
police
officers
etc,
but
for
external
partners
we
have
siora,
thomas
president
and
founder
of
sisters,
pittsburgh
for
the
lgbtqia
component,
daryl
holtz,
an
advocate
for
disability
rights,
minister
darnell
drury,
as
ron
had
talked
about
dr
emma
lucas
darby,
who
well
she's
the
chair
of
the
cprv
aaron
dalton,
was
with
allegheny
county
department
of
human
services.
B
Ernest
winthrop
we
had
noble.
Let's
just
say
we
had
members
of
noble
the
national
organization
of
black
law
enforcement
officers.
We
had
aclu
representation
by
gotta
makashi
and
if
I
tell
our
name
up
somebody
would
you
please
correct
it.
Let's
see
jessica,
benham
who's,
director
of
development
of
pittsburgh
center.
For
autistic
advocacy,
we
talked
about
the
inordinate
police
involvement
with
our
youth
in
schools
for
negative
stuff.
We
had
jose
diaz
senior
director
of
the
ymca
greater
pittsburgh,
dr
kathy
elliott,
ceo
of
women's
girls,
kier
muglian,
mug,
magua
nazia.
B
I
tore
it
up
senior
project
manager
of
elegant
holiday
health
work.
Let's
see,
lavonnie
lindsey
hold
on
bear
with
me,
michael
gay,
a
lot
of
people
within
the
city,
monica
lewis,
ruiz,
who
is
the
executive
director
of
casa
san
jose.
I
want
to
give
her
big,
big
acknowledgement.
She
was
quite
a
voice
for
the
task
force
in
making
sure
that
we
always
kept
in
mind
the
immigrant,
the
immigrant
and
new
american
populations.
B
In
our
deliberations.
I'm
almost
done.
Sarah
goodkind
assistant,
professor
of
social
work,
university
of
pittsburgh,
theodore
johnson,
chairman
of
pennsylvania,
board
of
probation
and
parole,
tiffany
wendell
and
dr
yinka
agunga
williams,
executive,
director
of
acculturation
for
justice,
access,
peace
and
outrage,
and
we
have
councilman
krauss
the
hilltop
community
advisory
working
group.
He
led
that
discussion,
so
I
just
want
to
give
props
to
others
as
part
as
as
far
as
how
broad
our
discussions
were.
Thank
you,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
say
anything.
Dr
bullock.
C
You
did
a
great
job
covering
those
external
partners
who
joined
in
with
us,
so
thank
you.
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
good
morning.
Everyone
allow
me
to
start
by
saying
how
much
we
appreciate
your
dedication
the
time,
the
effort,
the
energy
that
you
put
into
not
just
crafting
this
report,
but
to
understand
on
a
much
more
holistic
vein,
the
the
importance
of
police
community
relationships
in
the
the
ability
to
us
for
us
to
be
truly
america's
most
livable
city.
So
dr
harris
hit
exactly
the
chord
that
I
wanted
to
hit,
and
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
implementation
of
the
recommendations.
G
I
am
a
big
believer
in
eating
the
elephant.
One
bite
at
a
time-
and
I
know
this
is
a
just
a
massive
massive
undertaking,
and
I
worry
that
we
may
become
overwhelmed
by
the
enormity
of
the
task
in
front
of
us
and
so
to
boil
it
down
into
one
question.
I
was
wondering
if
anyone
could
offer
up
what
would
be
the
next
right
thing
to
do,
could
are
we
able
to
narrow
it
down
so
that
we
are
not
bogged
down
in
in
being
overwhelmed
that
we
can?
G
G
Am
I
asking
too
much
to
ask
you
for
recommendations
on
implementation
of
your
report
so
that
we
can
all
be
on
the
same
page
and
speak
with
one
voice
moving
this
ahead?
That's
my
question.
E
I
would
recommend
in
each
of
the
core
areas
identifying
that
first
step,
so
in
other
words,
not
putting
any
one
of
these
core
areas,
above
any
other,
for
instance
in
the
eliminating
racial
disparities.
E
Core
area-
I
would
say
the
first
step-
is
obviously
to
call
upon
the
city
and
the
police
department
to
give
a
non-racial
explanation
for
the
disparities
we
already
see.
If
there
is
one
and,
if
not,
to
move
forward
into
identifying
where
those
are
happening
and
eliminating
them.
That
is
a
step
that
is
ripe
for
us.
E
If
you
go
to
the
section
on
the
use
of
tear
gas
and
rubber
bullets
and
so
forth,
we
recommended
identifying
an
outside
agency
to
examine
policy
and
practice
not
to
ident
not
to
go
over
the
incident
in
east
liberty
or
any
other
place,
but
as
a
general
matter,
you
will
find
a
first
step
in
each
of
those
eight
areas
that,
if
not
low
hanging
fruit
and
not
easy
at
least,
is
a
first
step,
but
I
would
simply
go
through
each
of
them
and
pick
out
one
thing
we
can
do
more
than
one
thing
at
a
time.
E
I
The
only
thing
that
I
would
add
to
that
is:
it
seems
that
who
has
the
accountability
to
drive
the
recommendations
in
each
of
these
sections.
I
don't
know
that
it's
one
department
or
one
individual,
but
having
some
clarity
about
where
who
owns,
who
owns
the
sections?
Who
owns
the
the
recommendations
within
those
sections
and
that's
something
that
we
left
this
process
with
a
lack
of
clarity.
So
where
does
it?
Who
owns
it?
Now.
G
That's
such
a
good
point,
chair
roberts,
yes,.
G
Hi
good
morning,
how
are
you
good
morning
bruce?
Can
I
ask
you
a
question
then
please-
and
I
certainly
don't
mean
to
put
anyone
on
this
spot,
but,
philosophically
speaking,
has
the
task
force
accomplished
what
it's
set
out
to
do
and
will
now
disband
or
does
the
task
force
remain
connected
as
a
touchstone?
If
you
will
to
assist
with
the
implementation
of
the
report.
B
My
understanding
and
paula
is
on
the
phone
from
the
mayor's
office
and
please
correct
me
if
there
is
on
that
side
of
the
fifth
floor,
a
different
bent
here,
but
my
understanding
is
that
task
force
by
definition,
are
to
complete
a
task
and
our
test
has
been
completed
in
devising
a
report.
B
The
mayor
is
the
executive
director
of
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
We
are
not
executive
directors,
nor
are
we
administrators.
We
are
lay
people
that
he
capitalized
on
in
getting
the
people
oriented
solutions
or
recommendations.
B
My
understanding
is
is
that
the
mayor's
office
is
going
to
take
it
from
here.
They
will
work
with
city
council
members
as
they
do
on
any
initiative.
I
mean
there's
nothing
different
going
on
here:
councilman
councilman,
bru
krauss,
so
they
will
get
it
together.
One
thing
that
they
do
have
in
place
is
the
office
of
health
and
safety.
B
They'll,
probably
work
with
this
new
office
that
they're
devising
in
many
of
the
areas
that
bobby
and
and
angela,
as
far
as
the
human
services
elements
to
make
sure
that
that
is
actually
implemented,
that
we
do
use
more
effectively
outside
sources.
So
I
would
have
been.
I
would
mention
to
say
the
mayor's
office
is
going
to
take
the
lead
from
here.
D
B
Have
delivered
the
report?
The
one
thing
that
is
not
necessarily
a
specific
part
of
the
report
is
making
a
recommendation
for
some
structure
for
ongoing,
commit
community
involvement,
ongoing
people,
whether
they're
task
force
members,
there's
many
people
that
were
not
task
force.
Members
that
need
to
have
input
on
an
ongoing
basis
with
the
city
in
terms
of
following
up
on
implementation,
how
it's
up
to
the
mayor's
office
to
figure
that
out.
G
So,
chair
roberts,
I
asked
the
question
on
purpose
because
I
wanted
it
to
to
be
at
part
of
the
public
record
that
the
task
force
has
completed
its
duties
and
has
handed
it
off
to
the
administration
and
council
for
our
role
in
terms
of
implementing
the
recommendations
made
by
the
task
force.
So
I
would
love
to
hear
a
little
bit
from
allah.
If
you
would
would
not
mind
enlightening
us
a
little
bit
here
and
then
I
would
go
back
to
our
chair
today.
G
Councilman
o'connor
and
and
perhaps
suggest
that
as
a
compliment
to
this
post
agenda,
we
would
host
a
post
agenda
of
administration
officials
that
will
be
charged
with
the
responsibility
of
making
certain
that
the
recommendations
of
the
task
force
are
truly
implemented
and
how
we,
as
members
of
council,
can
be
co-partners
in
that
process.
F
Also
councilman
krauss
after
allah
speaks.
I
do
have
my
letter
now
that
I
do
want
to
read
it
because
it
does
respond
to
your
question.
Actually,
when
we're
ready.
A
L
Yeah
absolutely
thank
you
councilman
krauss,
and
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
my
my
colleague
hirsch,
who
is
also
on
this
call,
both
of
who,
like
both
of
which
both
of
us,
worked
and
helped
staff.
This
task
force
and
both
of
us
represent
the
mayor's
office.
So
as
many
of
the
council
people
here
here
know
a
few
weeks
ago,
we
announced
the
violence,
prevention
initiative
and
the
I
I
want
to
kind
of
break
that
down
for
everyone
on
this
call
and
for
public
record
as
well.
L
The
violence
prevention
initiative
includes
two
offices.
So,
as
as
valerie
mentioned,
there
is
the
office
of
community
health
and
safety,
which
is
going
to
coordinate
police
action
with
social
service,
social
service
workers,
that's
their
specific
task,
but
the
second
office
is
the
office
of
community
services
and
violence
prevention,
and
that
office
is
going
to
work
with
neighborhoods
on
issues
such
as
homelessness
addiction,
mental
illness.
L
Whatever
else
can
can
possibly
lead
to
police
action,
it's
kind
of
a
prevent,
a
prevention
point,
and
so
both
of
these
offices
are
tasked
are
under
the
violence
prevention
initiative,
but,
more
importantly,
chatera
murphy
is
going
to
be
leading
the
work
in
within
the
office
of
community
health
and
safety,
and
the
recommendations
that
were
served
up
by
this
task
force
are
part
of
the
road
map
of
the
work
that
she
is
going
to
be
delivering,
and
so,
in
response
to
your
proposal,
council,
councilman
krauss,
I
I
think
chater
is
a
very
important
person
and
voice
to
have
in
those
future
conversations
as
well.
J
M
Yeah,
please
absolutely
thank
you.
Alan
I
want
to
thank
you
know,
of
course,
the
task
force
for
their
work
over
the
last
several
months.
I'll
just
add
in
terms
of
public
involvement.
M
The
task
force
is
up
on
the
mayor's
office
page
and
it's
available
translated
in
the
top
six
spoken
languages
in
pittsburgh
and
there's
also
a
feedback
area
where
the
public
can
come
and
share
any
thoughts
they
have
based
on
the
report
on
implementation
or
other
ideas
for
police
reform.
You
know
that
that
will
be
sent
to
the
mayor's
office
in
the
administration.
M
So
I
just
want
to
point
that
out.
As
co-chair
mcdonald
robert
roberts
mentioned,
you
know
public
about
public
involvement
there,
but
a
lot
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
with
the
mention
of
the
health
and
safety
initiative.
You
know,
which
was
directly
informed
by
task
force,
recommendations.
B
And
councilman
krauss,
as
well
as
chair
o'connor,
in
addition
to
what
they
said
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
in
lieu
of
what
dr
harris
is
is
is
pushing
for
is
the
transparency
component.
Is
that
there
be
a
very
deliberative
effort
to
make
sure
that
people
know
when
these
discussions
are
taking
place
so
that
they
can
tune
in
get
involved.
Listen
in
provide
input.
B
One
thing
that
we
found
and
dr
bullock
and
can
acknowledge
that
as
well,
is
that
we
had
many
people
just
general
public
members.
They
weren't
part
of
necessarily
an
organization.
They
just
wanted
to
provide
input
on
what
they
thought
like
errol
miller.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
people
have
an
opportunity
to
listen
in
and
to
to
provide
input
as
things
move
forward.
As
far
as
the
implementation,
which
dr
harrison
said
is
so
vitally
important,
everyone
is
looking,
and
everyone
wants
to
see
more
than
anything
else.
B
So
I'm
glad
that
you
made
the
recommendation
to
have
a
post
agenda
with
the
administration,
so
we
can
see
how
the
total
government
package
is
going
to
proceed.
The
one
thing
I
do
want
to
say
is
that,
as
we
talked
about
health
and
safety
and
wellness
and
homeless,
and
everything
we
really
do
have
to
talk
about
training,
I
I'm
sorry
I'm
personally,
as
we
talk
about
racial
bias
and
discrimination,
and
all
these
things
we
it
starts
at
the
beginning.
B
I
always
try
to
start
at
the
head
and
training
is
so
vitally
important
as
we're
taking
a
pause
for
the
cause
because
of
this
pandemic.
Because
of
refunding
you
know,
the
the
quote-unquote,
the
defunding
part
that
people
talk
about
is
a
reallocation
of
resources
to
to
to
address
a
lot
of
the
recommendations.
B
Please
counsel,
we
really
do
need
external
input
on
the
training.
The
training
modules
need
to
be
reviewed
by
outside
sources
by
people
like
like
whether
it's
academia,
whether
it's
outside
organizations,
to
make
sure
that
we
are
indeed
equipping
our
cadets
and
our
officers
with
the
right
mindset
and
with
the
right
tones
as
they
move
forward.
So
I
would,
I
would
ask
you
to
please
don't
forget
training.
G
I
I
don't
want
to
dominate
the
conversation
I
need
to
sign
off.
There
are
other
members
that
really
want
to
engage.
I
would
like
to
leave
with
just
two
things
in
reference
to
what
chair
roberts
just
offered
up.
G
It
was
to
to
hopefully
have
our
administration,
our
council
and
our
public
safety
bureau
understand
the
difference
between
protecting
and
serving
and
policing
a
neighborhood
and
policing
is
not
what
we're
looking
to
do.
We
are
looking
to
protect
and
serve,
and
I
I
just
I
felt
it
was
very
important
to
make
sure
that
that
went
out
there
and
I
would
ask
ella
and
hersh
both
if
we
could
work
collectively
with
you
and
our
public
safety
chair,
councilman
o'connor,
in
crafting
whatever
public
post
agenda.
G
Whatever
the
case
may
be
that
we
can
now
that
the
task
force
has
handed
it
off
to
us.
We
are
the
electeds.
We
bear
the
responsibility
now
to
make
certain
that
these
cut.
These
recommendations
see
the
light
of
day
and
are
implemented,
and
I
want
to
be
contributing
and
helpful
in
that
process.
So
I'll
sign
off
for
now,
but
please,
maybe
later
in
the
day,
we
can
touch
base
and
set
up
what
we
need
to
do
to
to
to
make
that
transfer.
If
you
will
okay.
A
Thank
you
guys.
We
can
call
for
that.
Next
week,
tim
stevens
does
have
a
letter.
We
did
figure
out
tim,
how
to
post
it
on
the
screen.
A
F
Okay,
so,
first
of
all,
thank
you
all
for
your
interest
in
mr
o'connor
for
taking
the
lead
on
this.
I
personally
appreciate
it.
I'm
sure
the
city
does
as
well.
F
So
thank
you
for
your
interest
in
playing
an
active
role
in
reviewing
and
hopefully
assisting
in
the
adoption
and
implementation
of
many
of
the
police
reform
recommendations
proposed
by
the
pittsburgh
task
force
for
police
reform,
and
let
me
stop
and
say
that
I
absolutely
echo
the
words
of
david
harris
who
I've
worked
with
for
years
on
police
issues.
Implementation,
implementation,
implementation
is
so
important.
F
Members
of
the
lgbtqii
community,
plus
and
youth
page
30.
number
two
expand,
revitalize
and
fully
implement
use
of
the
personnel
assessment
assessment
and
review
system
pars
to
assist
and
identifying
potentially
problematic
police
officers.
This
is
important
and
behaviors
before
these
individuals
and
these
problems
cause
damage
to
the
public
and
or
to
the
image
of
the
pittsburgh
bureau
of
police
pace,
31
and
again
going
back
to
that.
F
This
call
on
a
second,
please
examine
how
the
peduto
administration
and
the
pittsburgh
city
council
can
more
strongly
and
definitively
advocate
for
and
negotiate
for
changes
to
the
pittsburgh
bureau,
police
contract
or
state
and
local
law
to
allow
for
removal
of
officers
who
have
demonstrated
patterns
of
misconduct,
particularly
with
regard
to
the
improper
use
of
force.
F
This
is
a
big
deal.
I'm
sure
that
david
harris
who
led
that
committee,
that's
that
whole
issue
of
use
of
force
and
abuse
of
force,
I
should
say,
remains
a
a
big
problem
in
the
heart
of
pittsburghers,
and
certainly
our
young
people,
who
were
leading
the
protest
for
many
months.
F
This
improper
use
of
force
remains
one
of
the
most
important
issues
affecting
community
police
relations
that
just
never
goes
away,
and
we
know
it's
a
problem,
but
we're
asking
that
you,
as
city
council,
assist
the
mayor
in
making
this
a
reality
and
not
just
a
conversation.
We
can
move
to
number
five
move
immediately
to
amend
sections
5.11
5.112,
which
will
effectively
raise
the
standards
addressing
the
use
of
force
above
the
pennsylvania
constitutional
minimum.
This
would
parallel
a
use
of
force
passed
in
california
in
2019,
page
36.,
number,
six,
exploring
ways
to
immediately
expand
training.
F
F
F
F
They
cannot
leave
and
therefore
cannot
obey
orders
to
disperse
that's
a
very
frustrating
technique
and
it's
extremely
upsetting
and
confrontational
page
39
number
nine,
a
clear
and
immediate
commitment
to
not
wait
months,
but
to
identify
as
quickly
as
possible
an
independent
organization
not
affiliated
with
law
enforcement
in
western
pennsylvania
to
generate
various
recommendations
identified
in
the
task
force
report
and
to
agree
that
the
pittsburgh
bureau
police
will
revise
its
policies
and
procedures
to
reflect
the
findings
of
the
independent
investigation,
page
38-39
and
again,
a
clear
and
immediate
commitment
to
not
wait
months.
F
In
addition
to
the
above,
I
personally
advocated
that
the
peduto
administration
and
pittsburgh
bureau
police
reviewed
the
tragedy
involving
the
death
of
walter
wallace
jr
in
philadelphia
pennsylvania
in
the
hands
at
the
hands
of
police
on
october
26
2020,
in
order
to
use
it
as
a
teachable
moment,
so
that
such
a
needless
death
does
not
occur
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
I
think
the
death
of
a
man
suffering
from
mental
illness
whose
family
had
called
for
an
ambulance
should
not
end
in
death.
F
F
F
F
So
that's
why
we're
asking
I'm
personally
as
chair
of
bpap
the
black
vehicle
empowerment
project
as
a
member
of
the
now
defunct
task
force,
but
I'm
asking
that
you
legislate
as
much
of
this
as
possible.
F
Obviously
I
thank
the
city
council
for
your
commitment
to
review
these
recommendations.
Consider
the
role
you
could
play
in
implementation,
and
I
put
that
in
italics
just
to
entertain
quentin
bullock.
Our
chair,
I
happen
to
use
italics,
but
it's
interesting
that
in
dave
harris's
comments,
that's
the
word
he
used
was
implementation,
implementation
implementation,
so
that
italics
is
particularly
important.
I
think
the
citizens
of
pittsburgh,
particularly
our
young
people,
await
your
leadership.
F
Police
interventions
must
be
implemented
with
strong
policies
and
training
in
place
rooted
in
understanding
procedural
justice.
That's
page
22
on
page
23
reform,
hiring
practices
to
ensure
that
law
enforcement
better
reflects
our
pittsburgh
community
in
terms
of
culture,
race,
gender
includes
an
extensive
psychological
assessment
aimed
at
weeding
out
persons
with
aggressive
personalities.
F
These
practices
should
include
the
examination
of
the
second
qualifiers,
including
the
reading
tests,
physical
fitness
tests,
polygraph
examination
and
research
to
discern
the
reasons
for
the
gap
between
white
black
candidates.
In
terms
of
candidates
of
color,
the
hiring
practices
should
include
conducting
a
full
background
check
into
the
applicant's
former
police,
job
history,
disciplinary
action,
complaints
and
reasons
for
separations
these
records
being
maintained
for
30
years.
Another
key
piece
on
page
that
was
on
23
24..
F
There
must
be
extraordinary,
innovative
efforts
to
significantly
increase
the
percentage
of
blacks
and
women
on
the
police
force,
such
as
devising
a
strong
marketing
campaign
supporting
participation
in
the
civilian
police
academy,
the
student
police
academy,
expanding
criminal
justice
program,
the
pittsburgh
public
schools
to
attract
more
african-american
candidates
to
enhance
potential
for
the
recruitment
of
additional
african
americans.
All
this
is
important.
All
oral
panels
for
the
bureau
must
include
at
least
one
citizen
and
should
contain
at
least
one
african-american,
I'm
actually
wondering
right
now.
The
oral
panel
is
three.
F
We're
also
looking
at
making
sure
that
the
cameras,
the
body
cameras,
are
on
during
all
calls
which
could
include
requiring
body
cameras
to
be
left
on
during
any
action
with
the
public
into
interaction
with
the
public.
The
police
officer,
who
does
not
adhere
to
this
requirement
should
receive
some
level
of
discipline
that
is
severe
enough
severe
enough
to
help
ensure
compliance.
F
F
Also,
when
I'm
done
the
policy
that
requires
police
body,
cams
and
police
car
videos
be
activated
immediately
when
interacting
police,
as
a
result
of
any
police
call
or
suspected
necessary
police
invention
intervention,
as
well
as
enacting
policies
which
mandate
the
police
report,
other
police
who
violate
police
policies.
That's
a
big
deal
right
now,
as
you
know,
from
what
happened
over
the
summer
and
training
should
encourage
every
officer
to
be
community-minded.
F
Compassionate
and
empathetic.
Community
engagement
can
include
career
fairs
at
other
events
or
whatever,
but
that's
some
of
the
highlights
from
the
police
recruitment
that
valerie
mcdonald
roberts
commented
on.
A
I
gotta
get
to
council
members,
so
I'm
gonna
pass
it
off.
I
know
that
that
letter
went
to
all
members
from
b
pep
and
tim.
All
members
do
now
have
it
so.
A
To
go
to
council
member
wilson
for
comment,
and
then
I
I
know
there
are
other
hands
popping
up,
but
council
members
we're
trying
to
get
to
questions
from
them.
So
can.
K
I
just
make
a
real,
quick
disclaimer
just
to
say
I
fully
respect
tim
stevens
has
been
doing
this
work
longer
than
anyone
in
this
city,
but
many
of
those
recommendations
and
prioritizations
he
recommended
were
not
task
force
recommendation
not
task
force
prioritization.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
clear
that
that
letter
is
from
that's
correct
him
not
from
the
task
force.
Yeah.
B
Councilman
o'connor
I
hate
to
I-
I
don't
want
to
overstep
council
members,
please
out
of
respect
but
amanda
green
hawkins
was
the
subcommittee
chair
for
a
very
a
critical
issue,
and
that
is
the
fop
in
terms
of
accountability
and
discipline.
Amanda,
if
you
are,
she
has
to
get
off
in
a
few
minutes,
and
I
did
want
her
to
at
least
say
something
before
she
has
to
leave.
Amanda.
Are
you
still
there?
B
A
Her
on
the
screen,
we
also
are
joined
by
council
president
cal
smith
as
well
so
councilman
councilman
wilson.
N
All
right,
thank
you,
and
thanks
for
thanks
for
hosting
this
and
bringing
us
together,
and
I
thank
the
the
police
task
force
to
the
community
police
task
force
to
you
know
come
before
us
and
speak
to
us
in
this
way
it's
really
an
informative
and
and
a
way
we
can
engage
together.
So
you
know
my
initial
take
when
I,
when
I
hear
reform
is
just
you
know
how
much
reform
have
we
done
so
far?
N
Not
since
you
know,
let's
say
may
or
or
whenever
you
know
there
was
a
lot
more
attention
around
this
discussion,
but
even
previously
so,
for
instance,
the
city
has
already
invested
in
substations
and
I
was
curious
to
know
how
that
played
a
part.
You
know
if
you
discuss
that
those
substations,
I
know
there's
one
in
my
district
in
northwest
heights
and
how
that
you
know
that
is
some
some
level
of
reform
that
we
have
done
previously
and
well
number
one.
N
You
know
if
you
agree
with
that,
but
then
also
you
know,
how
is
that
did
you
look
at
that
at
all,
is
is
something
like
that
effective?
Is
that
a
recommendation
that
you
would
you
know
say
continue
with
and
strengthen.
C
C
Is
that
a
good
strategy
for
the
substations?
I'm
sure
there
are
many
values
for
the
substations,
but
that
sometime
is
also
seen
as
policing
versus.
How
are
we
engaging
the
community
in
transparency
and
getting
a
different
view
of
police
as
a
whole,
so
that,
as
change
is
done,
they
see
the
value
and
the
impact
it's
having
to
make
it
a
more
welcoming
and
supportive
toward
community
policing
versus
policing.
B
And
wilson
councilman
wilson
have
you
I'm
sure
this
is
your
district?
I
think,
or
is
the
councilman
level
northview
heights
community
that
that's
your
prototype
of
a
community
substation
and
you
know
I
would
defer
to
probably
members
of
the
housing
authority
to
comment
on
how
it's
going.
I
can
tell
you
it's
going
great
as
far
as
a
substation
but
but
ditto
dr
bullock's
remarks.
B
N
Well
then,
I'm
gonna
give
other
members
a
chance,
because
I
know
they
they
they
have
some
pretty
pinpointed
questions.
Probably
one
that
I
wanted
to
ask
was
just
the
process
that
you
all
went
through.
So,
for
instance,
I
see
you
know
the
use
of
tear
gas
forward
bullets
flash
flying
devices,
you
know
only
to
be
used
during
life-threatening
situations.
N
You
know
how
not
that
we
have
to
be
like
every
other
city,
but
how
do
we
stack
up
to
other
cities
and
what
they've
been
implementing
in
your
process?
Did
you
like?
How
much
did
you
you
know?
Look
at
other
departments
and
you
know:
was
there
a
model
in
another
city
that
seemed
like
they
were
doing?
E
Councilman
one
of
the
things
that
we
realized
was
that
there
isn't
a
central
repository
for
information
about
this
particular
set
of
issues.
I
am
actually
still
looking
for
it
myself
and
have
been
in
touch
with
various
contacts
in
law
enforcement
and
the
academy
over
the
last
week,
and
that
is
why
we
decided
to
take
the
tag
of
looking
to
a
police,
professional
or
evaluation
organization
such
as
the
international
association
of
chiefs
of
police,
whoever
people
with
expertise
outside
who
who
are
not
located
here
and
related
to
our
own
enforcement
agencies.
E
Who
could
give
us
the
best
practices,
information
that
we
think
we
need?
What
we
want
is
what
you
want.
You
know
I
detected
it
in
your
question.
We
want
to
be
at
the
cutting
edge.
We
want
to
be
doing
things
the
right
way
and
that's
why
we
said
we
should
identify
people
who
have
that
real
expertise
and
the
city
should
engage
them
to
study
that
not
individual
incidents.
N
Way
all
right
so
then,
my
final
question
is
just
how
much:
how
much
was
the
the
actual
like?
How
many
interviews
did
you
do
with
officers
or
commanders?
N
B
A
lot
a
lot,
in
fact
I
think
bobby-
can
testify
to
that
any
of
the
subcommittee
chairs
can
testify.
I
don't
think
there
was
a
subcommittee
where
officers
were
not
involved
and
we're
not
talking
about
just
chief
schupert
or
director
his
rich,
we're
talking
about
people
that
are
kind
of
on
the
ground,
including
commander
chris
ragland,
so
again
officer
klein
costa.
B
Did
I
get
the
name
right
whatever,
but
you
get
the
idea
they're
all
listed
councilman
in
the
pres
in
the
presenters,
so
you
can
see
a
full
list
of
the
specific
officers,
but
there
were
officers
that
people
talked
to
on
the
side
to
for
questions.
So
that
is
one
thing
that
we
emphasize
in
the
very
beginning,
and
dr
bullock
can
can
also
echo
my
comments.
We
really
started
out
with
police.
B
We
started
out
with
setting
a
stage
of
what
is
in
other
areas,
and
then
we
immediately
went
to
chief
schubert
director,
his
rich
and
their
top
level
staff.
That
was
how
we
kicked
it
off
to
make
sure
we
established
a
baseline
and
that
we
knew
where
we
were
at
before.
We
proceeded
forward,
not
we
weren't
in
a
vacuum
per
se,
so
I
appreciate
your
your
question
and
why
it
was
that.
C
And
everyone
was
open
and
honest
in
their
initial
and
ongoing
dialogue
because
we
launched
our
in-depth
discussions
with
the
bureau
of
police
and
they
were
asked
some
pretty
tough
questions
and
information
that
they
did
not
have.
They
were
timely
in
following
up
and
then
many
also
followed
up
in
the
various
subcommittees
specific
to
the
themes
that
each
subcommittee
addressed
with
the
police
department.
J
N
And
then,
as
much
as
you
could
have,
because
some
of
this
may
be
some
of
these
injustices
that
I
may
speak
of
may
be
held
up
in
like
a
court
case,
but
let's
say
something
has
been
resolved.
Have
you
you
know
on
the
other
side
of
this?
Have
you
spoken
with?
You
know,
people
individuals
that
you
know
had
an
experience
with
police
or
communities
with
police
that
you
know
they
view
as
as
there
was
you
know,
some
extreme
injustice
happening.
N
B
We
we
we
did
interview,
excuse
me
beth
pininger,
with
cprb
we
interviewed
with
aaron
bruni
of
omi,
but
as
far
as
the
individuals
we
were
open,
we
I'm
sure
there
were
individual
and
tim
stevens.
I
know
for
sure
received
communications
from
people
that
were
part
of
the
protest
movement
we
did
make
through
dr
angela
reynolds,
who
wanted
bye
black
black
young
and
educated
one
hood.
B
We
wanted
to
speak
to
directly
to
our
young
activists
for
and
for
a
session
for
one
of
our
meetings
to
have
an
open,
open-ended
discussion.
Unfortunately,
that
did
not
happen
there.
It
did
not
materialize.
There
was
a
decline
of
that
invitation.
However,
they
we
felt
their
input
councilman
through
many
of
the
task
force
members
who
are
very
connected
to
what
their
feelings
are.
What
the
sentiments
are
as
far
as
people
that
have
been
have
felt
that
they
have
been
mistreated,
abused,
etc
and
have
filed.
B
You
know
a
formal
complaint.
No,
we
did
not
talk
specifically
to
individuals
like
that,
but
broadly
overall,
particularly
in
regard
to
protests
and
in
general
police
stops.
What
have
you?
Yes,
there
was
dialogue
again
when,
when
we
read
over
the
present
presenters,
I
can
tell
you
with
dr
gwen
elliott
and
in
fact,
is
bobby
bobby.
Are
you
still
on
the
line?
B
I
am
I'm
still
here.
I
I
can
you
please
just
because
your
recommendation
to
talk
about
the
you
know
and
the
the
imbalance
in
policing
with
our
youth.
Can
you
address
that
to
councilman
wilson
to
talk
about
in
individual
instances.
I
Well,
I
think
this
was
the
point
that
I
was
trying
to
make
in
my
opening
remarks
that
we
did
engage
with
a
variety
of
groups
of
community
members
representative
of
the
lgbtqia
community
disability
community,
those
who
worked
with
with
youth.
So
I
think
that
we
had
a
broad
perspective
of
those
who
have
had
interactions
with
the
police
and
not
always
positive
interactions
with
police.
And
I
think
that
is
reflected
in
the
recommendations.
F
And
also
bobby
the
letter
that
I
read
into
the
record
as
chair
b-pep,
reflects,
I
think,
part
of
the
urgency
of
folks
in
the
street.
F
M
Councilman,
if
I
can
just
add,
I
think
one
of
the
most
enlightening
conversations
we
had
was
with
siora
thomas
of
sisters.
Pph
and
siora
talked
about
some
of
the
injustice
and
cultural
insensitivity
that
the
trans
community,
specifically
trans
women
of
color,
face
with
policing,
and
so
we
spoke
with
siora,
as
well
as
the
tiffany
seminole,
who
heads
up
the
lgbtqia
plus
advisory
council,
which
of
course
soon
will
become
the
lgbtqia
plus
commission,
who
will
absolutely
be
integral
in
helping
to
implement
some
of
these.
Some
of
siora's
recommendations.
H
If
I
could
just
backtrack
about
10
minutes,
councilman
your
question
about
other
cities
and
what's
going
well,
wouldn't
it
be
wonderful
if
we
could
look
to
another
city
and
just
take
their
successes
and
transplant
them
into
pittsburgh,
but
we
all
know
that.
That's
not
the
case,
we're
looking
for
promising
practice
in
other
cities
to
figure
out.
How
can
that
inspire
us
to
build
our
own
promising
practice
here?
It
is
a
slow
process
of
getting
there.
L
M
I
Roy
austin
and-
and
I
would
also
point
to
new
orleans
in
terms
of
data
analytics
and
the
work
that
they
have
done
to
make
data
real-time
and
transparent.
We
have
a
presentation
from
an
analytics
company
who
has
helped
new
orleans.
Do
that,
and
I
think
that
is
a
best
practice
that
we
could
immediately
look
to.
N
Well,
I
thank
you.
I
have
no
further
questions.
I
really
appreciate
you
know
you
engage
in
that
way
and
you
know
I
look
forward
to
work
with
you
in
the
future.
If
I
need
to
reach
out
on
some
further
questions,
so
I
appreciate
your
time.
B
For
your
chance,
your
your
your
parking
spaces.
A
Thank
you
councilman.
We
will
now
council
member
lavelle
was
trying
to
stay
on,
but
he
couldn't
so
I'm
going
to
pass
it
off
to
councilwoman
gross
and
then
councilman
strasberger.
O
Hi
there
did
I
emulate
myself
there,
it's
good
to
see
everybody
today.
Thank
you
also
for
your
work
on
this.
It's
it's
incredibly
important
to
have
citizens
engaged
in
the
proc
and
the
process,
I'm
not
just
because
of
your
different
perspective,
but
you've,
you've,
you've
provided
so
much
additional
resources
in
research
and
thought
and
discussion
that
really
helps
jumpstart
us
and
really
kind
of
leap,
frogs
us
ahead
in
our
own
process.
If
we
were
relying
on
our
own
staff
capacity
or
trying
to
do
these
things
internally.
So
I
really
appreciate
everyone's
time
and
effort.
O
I
know
that
this
is
a
big
chunk
of
of
your
energy
and
emotional
and
time
commitment,
so
we
really
value
your
time
and
your
energy.
I
have
in
listening
to
the
discussion
today,
try
to
think
about
the
kinds
of
concepts.
O
I
think
that
sometimes
we
talk
past
each
other
and
in
this
kind
of
now,
five
or
six
month
conversation
we
are
hearing
from
various
voices
in
the
public,
notably,
I
think
it's,
maybe
just
at
the
top
of
the
report
on
page
five
or
six
there's
a
reference
to
acknowledging
that
there
have
been
public
calls
for
defunding
the
police
or
abolishing
the
police
right
and
a
sentence
reads
something
like
I've
got
scribbled
notes
in
front
of
me.
The
task
force
considered
the
spectrum
between
status
quo,
which
I
interpret
to
mean
keeping
the
same.
O
O
Task
force
chair
mcdonald
roberts
to
expand
on
that
to
elaborate
a
little
bit
because
it
doesn't
it
there's
like
it's,
it's
kind
of
there's
some
bullet
points
underneath
and
here's
why
I'll
just
pose
the
question
a
little
more
directly
in
all
of
the
reforms
that
are
very
comprehensive
in
the
report,
wouldn't
reducing,
let's
say
by
10
20
30,
that
the
calls
for
service
for
those
non-serious
calls
or
replacing
officer
response
with
a
different
kind
of
responder
like
a
social
service
responder,
wouldn't
that
kind
of
across
the
board
reduce
opportunities
for
police
misconduct
or
police
violence
or
other
kinds
of
negative
interactions
by
that
amount.
B
B
B
I
use
an
example
before
and
probably
several
times
is
an
incident
that
happened.
I
believe
it
was
in
cincinnati,
but
all
I
can
say
it
was
in
a
different
city,
where
domestic
violence
call
was
serviced
by
a
police
officer
with
an
accompanying
social
service
worker,
an
ideal
situation,
and
some
people
said
well
all
they
needed
a
social
service
worker.
No,
the
police
officer
had
to
protect
the
social
service
worker
from
the
gentleman
from
the
the
male
domestic
partner
from
shooting
him
and
the
social
worker
and
his
female
partner.
B
So
it
is
what
I
keep
saying
great.
That's
what
I'm
saying
it's
it
there's
no
two
calls
that
are
the
same,
but
absolutely
there
can
be
when
they
talk
about
this
reimagining
and
reallocation
of
monies
to
where
they're
best
served
and
in
the
that's,
why
I'm
so
pleased
between
council
and
the
mayor's
office
for
developing
more
avenues
to
address
the
components
of
our
society
in
our
community,
where
it
is
best
served
by
somebody
else.
So
the
answer
to
your
question
is
absolutely
yes.
B
B
We
come
up
with
the
recommendations,
but
as
far
as
the
actual
dollars,
I
just
know
that
council
has
already
allocated
250
000
over
a
number
of
years
for
just
the
type
of
initiatives
that
you're
talking
about
councilwoman.
E
No,
that's
fine!
I
I
would
just
like
to
add,
I
don't
think
the
approach
of
saying,
10
or
20
or
30
percent
will
get
you
what
you
want.
Council
person
gross.
We
were
you
know.
My
observation
has
been
over
the
past
five
months.
E
That
defunding
means
a
different
thing
to
every
person
you
speak
to,
and
I
think
we
were
in
agreement
on
the
need
to
reimagine
our
policing
in
terms
of
what
services
we
believe
you
need
a
person
with
a
badge
and
a
gun
and
handcuffs
to
deliver,
and
what
services
do
you
need
a
different
professional
and
what
services
do
you
want
the
pair
of
them
to
go
together?
E
That's
the
key
thing:
if
you
figure
out
well,
your
police
department
uses
x
percentage
of
its
time
to
respond
to
serious
crimes.
Things
we
would
want
a
police
officer
to
be
doing
and
the
rest
of
them
are
things
that
even
the
police
are
not
interested.
They're
not
interested
in
policing,
homelessness,
they're,
not
interested
in
policing,
drug
addiction,
they're,
not
interested
in
getting
cats
out
of
trees
or
answering
burglar
alarms
that
go
off
and
for
no
reason
these
things
can
be
moved
to
other
service
providers.
Some
things
can
be
completely
automated.
E
Nobody
likes
those
red
light
cameras,
but
that's
there.
There
is
an
opportunity,
as
you
said,
for
the
minimization
of
police
citizen
encounters
and
that's,
I
think,
what
we're
looking
to
do,
because
if
you
simply
transfer
budget
money
and
say
10
percent
is
now
going
to
something
else.
You
haven't
actually
relieved
the
police
department
of
the
responsibility
of
responding
to
those
calls.
O
Well,
as
you
said,
as
the
councilman,
our
former
councilwoman
said,
that
is
city
council's
responsibility,
so
we
do
have
to
one
day.
You
know
we
have
to
actually
make
that
decision
by
december
31st,
but
with
all
due
respect,
I
understand
that
the
task
force
job
was
to
not
to
think
about
those
officers
who
are
carrying
a
weapon
and
what
their
behavior
is.
So
thank
you
for
that
input.
Was
it
mr
stevens
yeah?
Thank
you.
F
I
had
a
a
a
a
point,
that's
relevant
to
your
question
from
a
different
angle.
Maybe
one
of
the
other
members
of
the
task
force
can
remember
where
it
came
from,
but
one
of
the
suggestions
we
were
looking
at
was
which
would
lower
the
number
of
encounters,
ms
gross
between
citizens
and
police,
and
that
is
police
stops
with
cars.
F
J
O
Read
some
numbers
for
your
benefit
they
may
have
not
looked
at
governing
magazine
from.
I
think
it
was
a
2015
issue
and
what
they
did
was
looked
at
cities,
not
regions,
not
counties,
not
metropolitan
areas,
but
cities
and
the
size
of
their
police
forces
per
capita,
and
so
there
you
know
of
quite
a
few
hundred
cities
in
I
think
in
the
list.
O
O
Pittsburgh
has
28.4
officers
per
10,
000
people,
and
let
me
promise
you.
We
also
looked
up
crime
data
and
there's
really
no
correlation,
okay
and
then.
Similarly,
I
think
it's
really
helpful
in
this
governing
magazine
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
kind
of
email
out.
The
link,
not
all
of
the
employees
in
the
department
have
to
be
officers.
O
O
It's
not
the
whole
problem.
I
acknowledge
that,
mr
harris,
it's
not
the
whole
problem,
I'm
not
saying!
There's
no
value!
I
think
there's
incredible
value
in
the
recommendations
that
I
see
in
this
report
and
but
we
I
think
we
should
not
discount
and
when
we're
looking
at
outcomes
citywide
next
year,
how
many
of
my
constituents
how
many
of
our
constituents
are
going
to
have
these
negative
incidences?
We
can
bring
down
that
percentage.
You're
talking
about
actual
things
we
can
do
now.
O
O
You
know
the
skills
that
a
trained
police
officer
have
right
and
they
in
my
conversations
with
our
police
leadership,
they
agree
that
their
time
and
energy
and
training
is
applied
in
situations
where
it
is
not
needed,
and
so
that
we
have
added
in.
In
all
of
our
efforts,
I
mean
I
have
been
the
block
watch
captain
before
I
was
elected
as
council
person
who
was
told
to
say:
look
if
you
see
graffiti
call
9-1-1
hey.
O
If
you
don't
look
like
the
look
of
that
person
in
your
alley,
call
9-1-1
that's
what
we
all
said
at
our
block
watch
meetings
and
our
public
safety
meetings
for
a
long
time
right,
and
so
now
we
have
kind
of
all.
Now
we
have
to
stop
and
say,
like
whoa,
maybe
we
went
a
little
too
far.
Maybe
there's
another
way
that
we
divert.
Those
maybe
still
goes
to
9-1-1
at
the
call
center,
but
it
has
to
be
diverted
to
you
know
a
different
kind
of
call
for
service,
so
I
just
want
to.
O
O
I've
also
shared
out
yesterday
in
the
last
week
that
we
really
don't
spend
115
million
dollars
out
of
our
our
you
know,
roughly
close
to
600
million
dollar
budget,
we're
spending
more
like
178
million
dollars
on
just
the
bureau
of
police,
and
I
feel
like
that's
too
much
and
I
feel
like
that's
what
I'm
hearing
from
a
lot
of
citizens
over
3000,
of
which
emailed
us
as
city
council
members
and
asked
for
us
to
to
consider
defunding,
or
at
least
right,
reducing
or
reconsidering
the
size
of
that
police
budget.
O
So
I
didn't
want
to
let
leave
that
go
unsaid
in
the
context
of
this
discussion,
but
I'm
going
to
move
on.
I
really
also
hear
from
again
from
public
and
from
different
advocacy
groups
and
from
different
voices
that
there
is
this
notion
of.
Let's
you
know,
are
we
spending
too
much
on
policing?
Can
we
be
spending
that
either
on
social
services
or
other
kinds
of
investments
like
housing
and
child
care
like
food?
All
of
the
basic
needs
that
our
citizens
have
and
that
we
aren't?
O
We
are
not
filling
enough,
but
then
there's
also
has
been
a
long-standing
set
of
voices
calling
for
violence
prevention,
and
many
of
the
people
here
on.
The
panel
have
been
in
those
discussions
over
the
years
and
then
put
in
good
work
about
reducing.
O
You
know:
gang
violence
gun
violence,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
we
distinguish
that
what
we
heard
loudly
this
year
was
a
reduction
in
police
violence
right
in
police
violence,
whether
that
was
because
of
joy,
floyd
or
brianna
taylor,
or
the
kind
of
response
to
protests
that
we
saw
this
year,
and
so
my
question
that
really
isn't
maybe
not
a
question
for
you,
but
I
am
questioning
myself
and
on
council.
We
just
voted
for
dollars
to
the
stop
the
violence
fund.
O
In
fact,
we
have
a
provisional
vote
that
will
have
final
vote
next
week
gone
significantly
higher
than
250
thousand
dollars
millions
of
dollars
to
go
into
that
fund.
Is
that
going
to
be
applicable
as
well
to
some
of
the
reforms
you
propose
here
that
are
for
reducing
police
violence,
for
funding
the
training
and
for
funding
the
changes
in
recruitment?
I
don't
know
if
you've,
given
that
any
thought
and
I'll
just
let
that
be
an
open
question
for
anyone
here.
B
Okay,
yes,
as
far
as
the
funding
again,
we
were
very
pleased
to
see
as
a
task
force.
Oh
and
before
I
forget,
there's
a
number
of
people
that
had
to
get
off
co-chair
dr
quinton
bullock.
He
had
to
tend
to
another
another
activity
under
within
his
purview
as
as
president
of
ccac
sharon
warner.
B
Oh
sharon's
still
there,
but
she's
gonna
have
to
get
off
soon
and
I
think
dr
bobby
wagrier
she
had
to
leave,
but
so
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
the
as
far
as
the
money
as
a
task
force,
we
were
very
pleased
to
see
what
council
was
doing.
In
fact,
I
had
a
conversation
with
dr
bullock.
I'm,
like
you
know
it's
just
like
a
lot
of
balls
in
the
air,
and
he
made
a
very
wise
comment
during
our
dialogue.
B
He
says
we're
going
to
continue
doing
what
we
do
as
a
task
force
and
council,
and
if
the
mayoral
office
mayor's
office
wants
to
do
an
executive
action
and
and
council
wants
to
legislate
something
it's
all
going
to
work
together
period,
whether
it's
250
for
allocation
towards
stop
the
violence
or
whatever.
So
we
were
very
very
pleased
with
how
we're
all
moving
in
the
same
direction
as
far
as
the
individual
and
again,
I
would
have
to
defer
back
to
council
and
the
mayor's
office
for
devising
how
we
do
that.
B
But
I
do
want
to
say
one
thing:
councilwoman
we
did,
we
did
talk
about
the
the
9-1-1
calls.
3-1-1
calls
we
believe-
and
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
spelled
out
clearly
in
the
report,
but
I
know
that
there
is
in
inference
there,
and
I
will
defer
to
to
dr
harris
who
scrutinized
through
this
report,
but
there
we
want
to
make
sure
that,
when
calls
when
call
centers
are
notified
from
constituents
of
a
problem,
there
really
does
need
to
be
an
evaluation
and
just
a
review
just
to
kind
of
like.
B
Sometimes
you
just
got
to
go
back
and
like
what
are
we
doing,
how
those
calls
should
be
dispensed
with,
whether
it
is
a
police
call,
whether
it's
a
police
call
with
a
social
worker,
whether
it's
just
a
social
worker,
whether
it's
somebody
that
can
climb
a
tree
and
get
a
cat
out,
and
I
knew
doctor
I
knew
david.
B
O
I
can
thank
you,
I
know,
and
so
you
know
these
things,
sometimes
our
pendulums
kind
of
swing
back
and
forth.
When
I,
when
I
came
on
to
council,
we
had
council
members
and
communities
really
advocating
for
an
increased
number
of
officers
right
well
we're
up
to
about
a
thousand
officers.
Now
and
but
not
the
data
I
cited,
our
total
officers
were
only
872.
O
and
our
population
has
gone
down
and
our
officers
have
gone
up
so
that
per
capita
I
cited.
It's
actually
kind
of
a
low
ends
right
because
it's
it's
data
that
was
published
from
like
2015.
E
B
Back
to
the
collaboration
and
external
partners,
as
as
we
in
the
as
as
david
has
indicated
and
and
all
of
this
task
members
have
indicated,
there
are
so
many
people
out
there
what
we
discovered
through
the
process.
Councilwoman
everybody
wants
to
help
and
they're,
not
always
asking
giving
us
an
invoice.
None
of
us
have
an
invoice.
Okay,
we're
volunteer.
B
There
are
many,
many
external
people
out
there
with
expertise
with
the
second
set
of
eyes,
a
very
unbiased,
a
fresh
set
of
eyes
to
help
with
this.
In
terms
of,
do
we
have
an
inordinate
amount
of
police
body?
Is
it
violence?
How
can
we
that
it
should
not
be
just
anecdotal?
It
should
be
supported
by
data,
it
should
be
both
and
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
will
help
because
of
their
civic,
their
civic
engagement,
their
civic
service,
just
like
we
have
with
the
task
force.
B
So
I
think
that,
as
david
said,
it's
not
a
money
thing.
It's
just
a
matter
of
political
will
to
collaborate
with
people
who
are
a
fresh
set
of
eyes
for
you.
F
And
councilman
councilwoman,
I'm
sorry
gross
again,
some
of
the
things
that
I
highlighted
on
page
22
to
27
on
recruitment,
training
and
education
and
hiring
again
much
of
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
ex
extra
expenses.
It's
how
people
are
trained,
how
how
the
culture
of
the
police
bureau
of
pittsburgh
is
formulated
and
marketed
and
maintained
or
created,
I
should
say,
is
what's
going
to
help
avoid
some
of
these
negative
interactions
between
the
police
and
the
community.
M
Cut
you
off
sorry,
if
I
could
just
add
the
recent
announcement
about
the
office
of
community
health
and
safety,
shifting
some
of
the
responsibility
for
responding
to
incidents
involving
you
know.
Our
individuals
experiencing
homelessness
individuals
experiencing
mental
health
crises
and
and
addiction
issues,
shifting
those
away
from
police
and
into
mental
health
professionals
and
people
embedded
in
the
communities
will
also
reduce
interactions
with
police.
You
know
which
could
lead
to
violence
and
will
also
work
hand
in
hand
with
the
stop
the
violence
investment
that
council
initiated
along
with
the
mayor.
O
Glad
to
hear
it,
thank
you.
I
want
to
put
a
plug
in
for
the
emphasis
on
disaggregating
data
and
the
reporting
we've
been
bringing
that
up
with
the
gender
equity
commission
as
well
across
city
departments.
O
So
why
not
start
here
since
we've
got
a
call
to
action
and
and
just
to
sometimes
to
clarify
what
that
means
right
is
to
be
able
to
see
when
incidents
or
even
calls
for
service
can
be
identified
by
the
the
you
know:
data
on
gender
race,
even
neighborhood,
these
kinds
of
things
broken
down,
not
in
a
way
that
identifies
individuals
publicly.
So
we
kind
of
balance
that
impact,
but
that
so
we
can
acknowledge
any
problems
right.
O
If
we
combine
data
up
to
a
level
that
you
can't,
you
can't
see
which
kinds
of
people
are
being
impacted
negatively,
then
you
can't
identify
the
problem
and
you
can't
start
to
fix
the
problem.
So
sometimes,
when
we
talk
about
that,
it's
really
important
for
the
public.
I
think
to
understand
what
we're
talking
about.
If
you
don't
ask
whether,
for
example,
I'm
just
going
to
make
up
a
stupid
example,
maybe
all
traffic
stops
that
end
in
an
arrest.
You
know
for
traffic
lights
are
only
women.
O
Well,
you
wouldn't
know
that
if
you
don't
break
it
down
by
gender,
that's
probably
not
true
right,
but
just
to
put
out
a
hypothetical.
You
have
to
actually
ask
the
question
first
or
you
know,
before
you
can
identify
and
see
a
pattern
and
fix,
find
a
solution
for
fixing
the
problem.
A
O
I'm
going
to
wrap
up
because
tim
so
sorry
tim,
but
I
also
wanted
to
tee
up
councilwoman
strasberger
for
her
excellent.
I
helpful
memo
that
she
sent
out
that
I
actually
where
she
analyzed
some
of
the
911
call
responses,
and
I
was
kind
of
bringing
that
up.
But
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
mention
that
it
comes
from
the
strasburger.
D
Thank
you
yeah.
I
apologize.
I
I
joined
late
and
I
have
to
be
somewhere
at
11
30..
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
a
few
things.
I
don't
actually
have
any
questions.
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
something
I've,
some
some
things
that
I've
heard.
First
of
all,
thank
you
councilman
o'connor,
for
chairing
this
post
agenda.
Thank
you
all.
I
just
want
to
echo
what
everyone's
already
said.
D
Thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
energy,
I
ran
into
tim
stevens
earlier
this
summer,
who
said
I
have
binders
full
of
binders
on
every
subcommittee
on
this
on
this
report.
You
know
working
towards
this
report,
so
it's
been
very
helpful
so
far
and
I
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
at
the
beginning
of
the
summer
you
know
we
as
council
members.
They
think
the
public
often
thinks
that
we
are
experts
on
every
possible
issue
that
every
council
member
is
going
to
have
to
encounter
and
we're
not.
D
D
You
know
I
was
also
then
digging
in,
as
you
all
were,
to
try
to
learn
more
about
this
issue,
to
learn
more
about
policing,
public
safety.
More
generally
reading
everything
I
could
get
my
hands
on
my
staff
and
I
were
all
learning
together
interviewing
people,
experts
in
the
field
all
over
the
country,
including
some
of
you
on
this
task
force
and
the
way
that
I
learn
is.
I
I
put
together
my
own
sort
of
memo.
D
I
guess
on
on
what
the
city
could
do,
what
the
county
could
do
and
what
school
board
could
do
on
actions
that
the
state
and
federal
government
could
take
as
well
and
anyone
who
doesn't
have
that
I'd
be
happy
to
send
over.
It's
also
on
my
district
8
website
and
what
was
helpful
was
to
create
that
and
then
to
see
your
task
force
report
and
to
compare
contrast
and
it's
my
mine
is
intentionally
a
draft
so
that
it
can
be
iterated
over.
D
You
know
a
period
of
time
so
that
the
second
version
will
be
coming
out
soon.
After
more
that
I've
learned
and
then
a
third
version,
and
so
on.
Until
we
have
something,
I
guess
a
couple
points
I
wanted
to
make
were
one
you
know
the
calls
from
the
beginning
were.
Were
our
police
budget
is
too
bloated.
D
We
have
too
many
police
officers
and
what
what
I've
kind
of
realized
over
the
course
of
the
summer
and
the
fall
has
been
if
we
do
nothing
but
cut
budgets
and
cut
numbers
of
police
and
don't
have
something
to
replace
it
with.
That's,
not
helpful,
that's
not
helpful
to
anyone.
I
don't
think
anyone
agrees
that
that's
going
to
improve
our
public
safety,
it's
what
it's,
what
many
people
are
asking
for,
but
as
we've
seen
in
other
cities,
it's
just
not
necessarily
going
to
be
the
thing
that
that
helps
improve
public
safety
overall.
D
Second,
whether
we're
talking
about
you
know
minimizing
interactions
with
police
when
it
comes
to
traffic
violations
or
parking
violations
which,
as
we
know
from
the
911
data
the
last
two
years,
those
are
two
of
the
biggest
responses
that
we
see
for
911
responses
in
terms
of
time
and
and
numbers.
D
D
Neither
of
those
is
going
to
happen
overnight
or
even
in
year.
One
I
mean
when
we
look
at
the
co-response
model
to
sort
of
a
solo,
social
worker
response
model
in,
say,
denver
that
took
three
years
to
get
off
the
ground.
So
this
expectation
that
it's
going
to
happen
in
year,
one
now
we
certainly
can
make
strides
in
year
one
and
we
certainly
can
plan
for
what
a
budget
could
look
like
five
years
from
now,
and
I
think
we
should.
I
guess.
D
The
second
point
is
what
I
see
is
that
there
are
so
many
issues
to
tackle
when
it
comes
to
implementation,
as
councilman
crowe
said,
as
tim
made,
the
point
about
that
david
made
the
point
about
many
others
that
we,
I
think
we
really
need
to
work
together.
We
need
to
all
figure
out
what
issue
we
each
want
to
tackle.
I'm
I
too
am
interested
in
this
sort
of
what
we
can
do
to
minimize
traffic
interactions
with
police
and
parking
interactions.
D
I'm
interested
in
the
dis,
aggregated
data
reporting
as
councilwoman
gross,
is,
I
think,
others
are
interested
in
other
issues.
Let's
come
together,
let's
figure
out
what
council
members
working
on
which
divvy
up
the
work
just
like
this
task
force
did
they
adopt
the
work
and
work
with
the
mayor's
office
to
figure
out
what
the
mayor
can
do
and
what
council
can
do
and
then
just
just
come
up
with
a
plan
and
a
blueprint
and
get
it
done.
So
that
would
be
my
suggestion.
A
O
J
F
F
He
and
correct
me,
members
who
are
left
if
I'm
incorrect.
F
He
basically
admitted
in
our
report
reflects
that
that
there
are
a
lot
of
incidents
where
race
appears
to
be
a
factor,
if
not
a
major
one
in
terms
of
traffic
stops
and
other
other
data
that
black
people
are
several
times
more
likely
to
be
arrested
or
stopped.
Whatever
one
of
those
statistics,
I
believe,
was
10
times
as
much
david.
Am
I
correct
one
of
those
statistics
from
professor
from
pitt
from
school
social
work
gave
a
very
detailed
report
very
troubling
and
the
chief
basically
admitted
he
could
not
defend
or
explain.
F
So
I
think
from
a
community
perspective,
I
would
hope,
council
and
the
mayor
and
the
chief
and
the
safety
director
would
take
pardon
me
as
a
priority
to
look
at
that
piece.
I
know
we're
talking
about
having
an
independent
entity
come
in
and
all
that,
but
maybe
there
just
needs
to
be
an
honest
conversation
between
the
police,
leadership
and
administration
and
looking
at
itself
as
to.
Why
are
these
statistics
actually
moving
in
a
negative
direction?
F
Am
I
right
david
in
some
cases,
why
are
these
statistics
going
in
the
wrong
direction
in
pittsburgh?.
F
J
E
Tim,
yes,
what
we
saw
was
that
over
time,
even
as
the
police
department
has
ramped
down
certain
categories
of
enforcement,
which
is
a
positive
thing,
the
disparities
in
some
of
those
categories
have
gone
up,
not
gone
down,
not
stayed
the
same
but
gone
up,
and
this
is
looking
at
the
police
department's
own
data
and
when
the
chief
was
asked
about
that,
he
said
I
see
it.
But
honestly
I
I
don't
have
an
explanation.
E
I
don't
know
what
to
do
about
it
and
that
I
think,
is
part
of
what's
uniquely
troubling
to
people
about
this,
and
I
want
to
make
clear.
We
are
not
just
talking
about
the
statistics
which
were
troubling
themselves,
which
are
not
deep
enough
and
are
not
disaggregated
enough.
We
are
talking
about
people's
lived
experience,
we
are
talking
about
what
happens
to
them
and
that
cannot
be
discounted.
A
B
Yes,
in
addition,
I
forgot
to
mention
amanda
green
hawkins
had
to
get
up
earlier,
and
I
said
oh
I'll
cover
for
you.
She
says
this
is
you
know
when
you
come
down
to
fop
contractual
contractual
nuances,
the
law
she
says.
I'd
rather
do
that
she
did
offer
to
council
members
to
have
a
very
thorough
and
candid
dialogue
with
any
of
you
all
regarding
her
subcommittee
on
the
fop
interaction
with
the
community
and
at
night
act,
111,
etc,
etc.
B
She
is
labor
council
for
usw,
so
she
would
know-
and
she
does
have
a
very
novel
idea
that
would
rest
within
city
council
in
terms
of
developing
public
policy,
a
public
policy
per
se.
So
with
that,
I'm
trying
to
think
the
the
one
thing
that
I
would
say
to
you
all
since
I
we
have
a
captive
audience
of
council
members.
B
Unless
you
determine
that
it
is
racially
based,
you
you,
it
needs
to
be
reviewed.
I
would
ask
for
city
council
to
really
have
a
thorough
review
of
that
data,
so
that
we
do
have
explanations
and
to
determine
do
we
really
have
a
problem?
Yes
or
no
right
now,
on
a
surface,
it
looks
like
we
do,
there's
implicit
bias,
there's
racial
bias,
welcome
to
the
human
race,
everybody
has
it.
You
all
know
that,
but
so
it's
going
to
be
in
the
police
department.
B
It's
a
matter
of
what
does
the
data
say
and
what
policies
need
to
be
developed
to
address
it
depending
upon
how
it
how
it
fans
out
as
far
as
is
it
really?
You
know
we
have
a
real
race
problem,
whatever
it
needs
to
be
ascertained,
this
report
doesn't
say
that
per
se.
It
says
there
are
data
that
can
substantiate
that,
but
we
don't
know
so
I
would
say
to
city
council,
because
we
have
a
citizens
academy
to
councilman
o'connor
who's,
leading
this
and
to
president
theresa
kell
smith.
B
B
B
You
know
like
we
had
to
eliminate
choke
holds
what
other
police
procedures
are
there
that
may
be
misconstrued?
Why
do
they
stop?
What
makes
them
stop
a
car
and
again,
I
think
there
needs
to
be
education
dialogue,
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
great
opportunity
for
a
city
council
to
be
able
to
use
your
venues
of
post
agendas
and
and
what
have
you
to
to
educate
the
public,
and
let's
have
that
dialogue
yeah,
it's
just
it's
my
personal
opinion.
A
H
Just
on
that
note,
concurrent
with
serving
on
the
task
force
I
registered
for
the
citizens
police
academy,
and
I'm
still
in
it
it's
online
right.
It
has
been
an
education
for
me
to
understand
how
the
police
understand
what
are
the
tools
that
they
need
in
order
to
do
their
job.
Well,
what
the
humanity
is
behind
the
work
that
they
do
and
what
are
the
challenges
behind
it?
So
I
fully
concur
valerie.
I
believe
that
it
should
be
more
widespread.
H
There
are
about
30
of
us
or
so,
but
I
also
think
that
it
needs
to
be
more
intentional
in
what's
presented.
It
is
a
it
is
at
the
discretion
now
from
what
I
can
tell
of
of
the
lead
officer
right
in
doing
that.
It's
a
very
good
course.
I'm
learning
a
great
deal,
but
I
think
that
there's
a
larger.
H
There's
a
larger
group
that
could
be
helping
to
frame
that
so
that
it
gets
us
to
the
goal
of
transforming
the
perception
of
the
police
from
warriors
to
guardians,
which
we
all
agree
is
what
we
need.
G
Councilman,
if
I
could
just
add
to
that
very
briefly
and
I
do
promise-
I
want
to
make
certain
that
we
do
recognize
the
the
the
members
of
the
police
force
that
are
partners
with
us
in
this,
and
they
are
the
large
vast
majority
and
I
don't
want
to
lose
sight
that
they
are
truly
an
important
component
to
the
recommendations
and
to
the
implementation
of
them.
Thank
you
very
much
for
doing
this.
A
Thank
you
and
thank
you
to
everybody
for
following
we
actually
have
to
get
off.
There
is
we're
scheduled
at
11
30
there's
the
cable
cast
team
has
something
scheduled
11
30.,
so
we
just
made
it,
but
I
want
to
thank
everybody.
Thank
the
committee.
Thank
my
fellow
council
members.
A
We
do
have
a
budget
coming
up
next
week
and
I'm
hosting
the
public
safety
department
on
thursday
morning.
I
believe
so.
There
are
a
lot
of
larger
conversations
that
are
happening.
I
mean
just
from
and
I'll
be
brief
with
my
comments.
You
know
when
it
comes
to
implementation.
I
think
that
was
big.
Everybody
had
said
that
everybody
mentioned
that.
I
think
it's
on
us
to
make
sure
that
that
happens
and
the
administration.
A
That's
what
we're
in
charge
of
doing.
I
also
think
you
know.
Training
and
education
is
very
helpful.
Even
when
we
come
to
the
budget,
you
know
letting
people
know
that
certain
things
are
already
paid
for
and
we
have
no
control
over
it
based
on
state
acts
and
agreements
and
pensions,
and
things
like
that.
I
did
hear
something.
I
know.
A
Councilwoman
gross
loves
her
data,
but
data
was
mentioned
multiple
times
today
and
I
think
that's
such
a
great
follow-up,
and
I
know
the
councilwoman
stresses
that
for
all
of
us,
which
I
think
is
is
great,
that
we
heard
it
from
the
task
force
and
everybody
as
well.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
your
dedication
to
the
city
that
we
all
love
and
support,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
our
sign
language
interpreters.
A
They
they
do
a
really
good
job,
and
I
really
want
to
thank
them
very
much
for
their
hard
work
today,
as
well
as
the
clerk's
office
and
our
and
david
and
his
team
as
well.
So
again,
thank
you.
Everybody,
I'm
sure
we'll
have
follow-up
conversations
about
post
agendas
and
other
meetings
in
the
future
and
again
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
watch
for
next
week's
budget
hearings
and
conversations
that
happen
in
the
next
few
weeks.