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From YouTube: Pittsburgh City Council Budget Hearing - 11/18/20
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Office of Management & Budget
A
A
B
B
One
way
I
always
look
at
it
as
the
finance
department
collects
our
revenue
and
the
office
of
management
and
budget
is
responsible
for
appropriately
spending
those
revenues.
It's
organized
in
several
different
areas.
One
of
the
first
courses
administration,
which
helps
to
handle
the
the
entire
breadth
of
the
budget
and
also
does
the
human
resource
functions
for
the
mayor's
office,
bureau
of
neighborhood
empowerment
and
the
office
management
budget.
B
B
B
B
Okay,
the
offset
management
budget's
up
there.
Okay,
if
you
see
here,
the
total
budget
is
16
million
628
thousand
dollars
for
2021.
That's
a
decrease
of
what
was
anticipated
in
last
year's
five
year
plan
is
740
000,
the
total
full-time
positions
are
22.
That's
a
reduction
of
two
positions;
reductions
in
that
first,
six
months,
as
we
explained
yesterday,
there
is
a
another
budget
portion
that
will
have
to
be
after
july,
the
first,
if
we
don't
receive
revenues
in
that
first,
six
month
reduction.
B
There
are
two
positions
missing
and
that's
going
to
be
the
chief
financial
officer
position
and
this
senior
budget
analyst
position
both
about
185
000
dollars,
total
for
that
non-salary
budgeted
items
have
been
reduced
by
258
000
for
that
first,
six
month
portion
as
anticipated
from
the
five-year
plan.
Examples
in
those
cuts
include
a
reduction
of
125,
000
administrative
fees
and
that's
the
line
item
that
pays
for
league
of
cities,
conference
of
mayors
and
other
membership
programs
there's
also
a
reduction
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
fuel.
B
B
You
also
see
in
their
budget
this
next
line
and
that's
the
anticipated
july
first
workforce
reductions,
and
that
is
if
we
don't
receive
that
additional
revenue
we'll
need
to
re,
to
reduce
the
office
management
budget
by
approximately
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
based
on
average
salaries
and
benefits.
That's
equal
to
about
four
and
a
half
employees
that
need
to
be
reduced.
B
The
office
of
management
budget
itself
with
the
ela
also
has
capital
budget
items
the
ela
which
we'll
be
speaking
about
after
I
believe
kevin
speaks
here.
The
director
speaks
capital
equipment
acquisition,
1.5
million
dollars
of
pay,
go
funds,
that's
a
decrease
over
5
million
dollars
from
the
2021
budget.
It's
a
significant
reduction
there.
That's
not
inclusive
of
various
grants.
The
ela
may
receive
nor
paid
for
by
the
general
fund
or
other
trust
funds.
B
The
community
development
block
grant
division,
which
was
transferred
on
being
2018,
also
continues
to
be
responsible
for
community
development.
Blocker
administration,
there's
60
000
budget,
that's
170,
000
decrease
from
the
previous
year
community
owned
blocked.
Rent
personnel
is
the
same
as
the
prior
year.
1.1
million
dollars,
neighborhood
economic
development,
formerly
known
as
akbo,
is
budgeted
500
000
the
same
as
in
2020.
B
The
emergency
solutions
grant
one
of
the
pastors
that
we
do
through
in
conjunction
with
the
county,
1.2
million
dollars.
That's
an
increase
of
50
000
housing
opportunity
for
persons
with
aids,
hopwa
1.1
million
dollars,
an
increase
of
150
000
and
the
urban
league
housing
counseling
100
000
same
as
the
prior
years,
and
just
just
to
separate
these
things
out.
So
the
public
understands
these
are
monies
that
were
within
the
block,
grant
funds
or
other
related
federal
funds.
B
That's
an
increase
of
what
we
budgeted
last
year,
but
yet
a
decrease
from
what
was
actually
received,
because
we
also
received
that
additional
coded
money
which
was
voted
on
today
as
well
total
full-time
positions
within
community
development
block
grant
because
division
is
11..
That's
an
increase
of
one
planner,
as
well
as
a
shift
of
one
senior
planner
to
a
lower
grade.
Planner
the
office
of
management
and
budget
is
also
responsible
for
trust
funds
and
grants.
They
oversee
all
the
trust,
funds
and
grants
for
the
city.
B
There's
a
few
that
are
specific
to
the
department.
One
is
the
facilities
trust
fund.
Current
balance
is
sixty
six
hundred
dollars
the
south
side
parking
enhancement,
distance
trust
fund
as
well
too,
is
managed
by
omb
current
balance.
231
thousand
dollars,
as
well
as
the
pittsburgh
parks,
conservancy
frick
environmental
center
grant
from
the
department
of
community
and
economic
development.
B
There
remains
187
thousand
dollars
as
of
as
of
today,
so
with
that,
a
lot
of
information
will
be
making
sure
that
the
information
is
posted
online
and
what
the
what
the
members
see
the
public
also
will
have
access
to.
But
with
I'd
like
to
hand
it
over
to
kevin
paulus,
he
can
introduce
the
folks
he
has
with
them
today
and
we
can
move
on.
Hopefully,
a
good
discussion
on
not
only
what
I
had
talked
about
for
the
department,
but
also
for
the
budget
in
general.
C
Thanks
bill
good
afternoon
council,
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
join
you
today.
I
am
joined
by
general
zinger,
the
assistant
director
of
procurement,
brandon
walton
fleet
services
manager,
dave
hutchinson
assistant,
director
of
cdbg
capital,
asset
management
and
patrick
cornell.
The
assistant
director
of
the
operating
budget
and
grants
team
like.
C
C
The
council
voted
on
a
part
of
that
earlier
today.
Those
have
been
an
influx
of
funds
that
have
gone
into
the
program
and
they've
done
great
to
administer
that
dave
hutchinson,
the
capital
team
for
all
of
their
dedication
and
hard
work
on
a
daily
basis
with
the
capital
budget,
as
well
as
ongoing
duties
and
then
patrick
cornell,
with
the
operating
budget
and
grants
teams
for
their
continued
work
to
produce
an
operating
budget
document.
In
the
grants
team
to
secure
grants
for
the
city
to
help
fill
funding
gaps
when
they
occur.
C
Lift
in
a
normal
year,
however,
there
were
many
new
challenges
that
faced
us
this
year
for
both
the
capital
and
operating
teams,
and
some
you
know
the
the
hurdles
that
we
face
during
the
process.
We
still
face
moving
forward
as
we
continue
remote
work.
Multiple
discussions
had
to
occur
for
us
to
create
both
the
operating
and
capital
budget
documents,
which
are
five
and
six
year
plans
respectively.
C
I'd
also
like
to
to
specifically
thank
the
department
of
finance
council
budget
office
and
other
department
directors,
as
well
as
the
financial
share,
councilman
lavelle
throughout
the
entire
process
for
all
of
their
collaboration,
specifically
for
the
council
budget
office
and
finance
chair.
We
had
weekly
meetings
the
past
month
or
so
to
keep
the
lines
of
communication
open.
I
feel
that
those
were
extremely
helpful
and
those
are
meetings
that
we
continue
to
look
forward
to
throughout
the
council
budget
process.
A
E
E
C
That
reduction
in
the
paygo
funding
that
funds
our
equipment,
leasing,
purchasing
plans
for
2021..
Unfortunately,
we
had
to
lower
the
amount
of
paygo,
because
paygo
is
money
going
into
the
capital
budget
that
is
essentially
an
operating
budget
transfer.
So,
while
that
amount
reduced,
we
are
trying
to
find
other
revenue
or
other
sources
of
of
funds
to
go
into
the
capital
acquisition
plan.
C
E
C
E
Okay,
so
we
have
to
start
out
this
way.
Yes,
and
can
you
tell
me
what
services
will
not
be
cut
that
we
currently,
you
know
street
sweeping
yeah?
What
like
you
know,
street
swimming
is
a
big
thing.
Obviously
it's
difficult
during
curve,
because
everyone's
at
home,
but
you
know,
I
know
that
we
recently
went
to
leasing
with
that
instead
of
the
purchase
and
maintain
the
maintenance
of
it.
C
Yeah-
and
this
is
something
that
will
be
discussed
in
the
ela
meeting
after
this,
as
well
as
part
for
their
acquisition
plan.
This
plan
funds
the
last
payment
of
the
street,
sweeping
lease
purchasing
of
two
ambulances:
a
couple:
yes
refuge
trucks,
so
we're
replenishing
or
trying
to
recycle.
Some
of
the
aging
fleet
that
we
have
brandon
walton
is
also
joining
me
brandon.
Do
you
want
to
jump
in
and
speak
about
this
about
the
plan.
F
Yes,
thanks
kevin,
so
we
lost,
you
know
we'll
lose
some
of
the
some
of
the
vehicles
that
we
had
planned
on
purchasing,
but
we
did
our
best
to
work
in
making
sure
that
we
get
some
of
the
essential
vehicles
that
that
are
really
in
bad
shape
and
and
really
older
in
the
fleet.
So
we
will
we'll
look
to
to
remount
some
ambulances
as
opposed
to
purchasing
them.
New
that'll
save
us
some
money.
F
C
C
Yeah,
we
anticipate
that
this
this
purchasing,
depending
on
the
the
shape
of
what
we
are
purchasing
and
what
we
would
swap
out.
Sometimes
we
do
decommission
a
vehicle
if
it
isn't
bad
shape
or
dire
need
if
it
is
a
fleet
that
could
continue
down
the
path
of
maintaining
the
staff,
this
purchase
thing
would
add
to
the
number
of
vehicles
that
that
department
would
have
so
we
do
not
anticipate
any
reduction
in
services.
E
C
C
So
when
we
take
a
look,
we
we
work
with
the
departments
in
the
administration
on
what
memberships
we
are
going
to
continue
with
and
and
what
we
would
not
be
able
to
continue
with.
For
the
you
know,
the
the
conference
of
mayors
and
the
league
of
cities,
the
mayor's
office
is
a
it
plays
a
big
part
of
that
connect.
C
E
C
G
E
D
H
Yes,
thank
you
and
hey
thanks
kevin
and
thanks
for
being
here
and
hello
to
all
the
team.
You
know
I
just
want
to
really
say
that
any
experience
that
I've
had
with
your
team
has
been
really
good
on
my
behalf,
in
particular
with
jennifer
ulzinger.
She
really
helped
councilwoman
gross
and
I
walked
us
through.
You
know
who
to
hire
what
to
hire,
and
you
know
all
the
different
situation
that
we
ran
across
with
the
grounded
and
when
we
were
trying
to
hire
a
firm
to
do
that.
H
F
H
H
So
you
know
I
mean
don't
get
me
wrong,
I'm
sure
they're
going
to
be
very
useful
and
I
know
remember
talking
about
it
and
you
know
you
convinced
me
of
that,
but
at
the
time,
but
then
I
thought
400
000
a
piece
wow,
so
so
so,
okay,
now
I
just
wanted
to
inquire
about
that
sounds
like
you
know,
you're
planning
for
what's
to
come
and
of
course
we
don't
know.
If
we're
going
to
be
getting
any,
you
know,
relief
or
not.
H
I
tend
to
think
we
will,
but
certainly
it's
not
something
that
we
can
count
on.
Just
a
quick
couple
questions
how
many
people
in
the
department
and
I'm
sorry,
if
I
missed
this
from
being
late,
I
think
our
budget
director,
you
know,
goes
over
these
numbers
for
us,
but
but
but
how
many
people
in
the
department
as
a
whole
kevin.
H
C
Yes,
as
of
now
yeah,
I
mean
we
the
way
we
we
approached
the
the
cuts
was
were
to
go
through
our
budget
software
understand
where
every
department
was
with
personnel,
benefits,
longevity
uniforms
and
all
that
stuff
to
come
up
with
an
average
salary
and
then
work
backwards
from
there
to
to
to
kind
of
quantify
a
number
of
of
what
that
cut
dollar
amount
would
represent,
and
that
represents
about
four
positions
for
omb.
Yes,.
C
Now
at
the
beginning
of
this,
if
you
remember,
we
thought
we
would
have
a
larger
revenue
gap
than
we
are
currently
presenting
in
this
budget,
which
is
good,
but
certainly
not
we're,
certainly
not
in
a
great
situation
now
and
looking
forward.
So
that's
something
that
we're
you
know
committed
to
continuing
every
week,
looking
at
the
financial
or
the
revenue
forecast,
that's
something
that
me
and
council
budget
director
urbana
have
discussed
as
well,
because
it's
likely
that
the
revenue
forecast
will
change
from
now
until
the
time
that
you
all
adopt
the
budget.
B
I
I'd
just
like
to
clarify
something
with
kevin
just
so
you
can
explain
that
I
talked
about
it
briefly
yesterday.
You
are
also
eliminating
for
that.
First,
six
months,
as
all
departments
are
vacant
positions
that
are
within
the
department,
so
in
your
case
you're
going
to
lose.
You
have
one
position
there
cfo,
but
you're
also
going
to
lose
a
senior
budget
analyst,
and
it
would
be
my
thinking
on
this
that
if
you
knew
someone
you
had
someone
leaving,
you
could
have
utilized
that
position,
hired
somebody
and
allowed
a
transition.
B
C
Yeah,
I
mean
that's
a
good
point
throughout
the
budget
process.
We
we
took
a
a
kind
of
multiple
phased
approach.
The
first
phase
was
to
work
with
departments
to
identify
vacant
positions
and
see
what
we
could
cut
and
then
see
kind
of
based
on
our
revenue
forecast,
where
we
ended
up.
That,
obviously
wasn't
enough,
so
we
kind
of
moved
to
what
we
consider
a
phase
two
which
was
identifying
more
vacant
positions
again
with
departments
in
refining
the
non-personnel
expenditures
throughout
their
budget
as
well.
C
To
then
implement
that
that
make
up
the
document
of
the
mayor's
budget,
so
bill's
right,
like
throughout
the
budget
process,
we
have
eliminated
a
significant
amount
of
vacant
positions
and
the
amount
of
cuts
that
are
illustrated
in
the
document
comes
7-1
will
be.
You
know,
a
mixture
of
a
couple
other
vacant
positions
if
they
exist
by
that
point
or
unfortunately,
you
know,
positions
that
are
filled.
H
C
H
A
I
Let
me
just
see
here
using
in-house
staff,
for
the
creation
of
things,
like
the
annual
action
plan,
hiring
a
consultant
that
specializes
in
outreach.
I
think
that
all
looks
great.
I
guess
I
would
just
say
you
know,
please
also
lean
on
council
members,
because,
although
we're
not
necessarily
local
leader,
I
mean
we're
not,
we
might
not
be
in
touch
with
every
single
resident
in
our
district.
I
We
we
can
be
considered,
I
think
local
experts
of
our
of
our
of
our
districts
in
a
lot
of
ways
and
would
be
happy
to
help
guide
you,
and
I
would
also
just
say
that
I
understand
in
a
time
of
potential,
you
know
cuts
to
the
budget
that
you
might
not
be
able
to
make
that
higher
of
the
cons
outside
consultant
for
this
purpose,
and
I
think
that
we
do
have
a
lot
of
internal
experts.
If
that
is
necessary.
I
I
saw
that
the
operating
budget
for
this
year
is
already
utilizing
the
engage
pgh
platform,
and
that's
great.
Let's
continue
to
do
that,
but
we
have
people
who
have
been,
I
think,
honing
their
expertise
around
public
engagement,
whether
that's
in
city
planning,
whether
that's
in
domi,
whether
it's
consultants
from
for
those.
I
know
that
we
can't
always
just
easily
piggyback
on
those
consultants
but
there's
a
lot
of
internal
knowledge.
I
I'd
also
say
that
in
the
places
I've
seen
the
greatest
success
in
public
engagement
around
budgets,
it
doesn't
just
start
six
months
before
the
budget
is
due.
It
starts
like
nine
months
before
it
starts
like
in
you
know,
in
march,
or
even
earlier,
with
visioning
and
envisioning
of
what
people
want
to
see
out
of
not
just
their
capital
projects,
but
what
they
want
to
see
out
of
their
budget
in
general,
and
I
would
maybe
encourage
you
to
explore
that
option.
I
If
there
is
the
capacity
to
do
so
to
start,
the
engagement
really
really
early,
maybe
even
find
like
I've
seen
in
chicago
and
some
other
places,
local
ambassadors
for
each
neighborhood,
who
can
almost
almost
serve
as
a
congress,
and
they
could,
you
know,
gain
the
perspective
of
seeing
the
needs
in
you
know
one
part
of
town
versus
another
part
of
town
and
even
though
that
might
sound
like
a
capital
budget
process
like
that
also
reflects
in
our
operating
budget.
So
just
a
couple
of
thoughts
there.
I
I
really
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
do.
I'm
also
encouraged
to
see
that
one
of
your
goals
includes
continuing
the
work
to
become
a
fossil,
fuel-free
and
zero-waste
city
and
and
your
your
commitment
to
doing
that
so
happy
to
hear.
I
don't
really
have
a
question.
I
guess
happy
to
hear
any
reactions
you
have
to
some
of
my
thoughts
or
ideas
or
the
public
engagement.
C
It
was
successful,
given
that
the
time
constraints
that
we
had,
I
believe
we
had
around
100
participants,
had
a
lot
of
submissions
to
balancing
act,
which
is
also
on
the
engaged
pga
platform
and
had
a
lot
of
good
questions
submitted
to
us
and
and
we're
going
to
publish
responses
to
that.
But
to
your
point,
you're
right,
it
does
start
much
earlier
than
you
know
just
the
the
couple
months
during
the
budget
process,
which
is
why
you
know.
C
For
years
the
capital
team
has
been
doing
a
lot
of
capital
or
budget
outreach
that
starts
in
april,
and
so
as
we
move
forward,
you
know
the
operating
team
is
finding
its
footing
of
you
know.
What
do
we
think
the
best
way
to
go
about
it
is
this
year
we
took
a
more
informational
approach,
because
the
operating
budget
is
a
very
large
document.
C
We
want
to
be
able
to
make
it
accessible
and
readable
for
all,
which
is
why
we
have
the
budget
summary
in
the
in
the
in
the
beginning
to
try
to
explain
in
layman's
terms.
You
know
what
what
we
all
kind
of
live
with
on
a
daily
basis.
So
that's
some
something
that
we
are
definitely
interested
and
committed
to
expanding
on
and
so
to
know
that
we
have
the
support
of
council
and
certainly
yourself,
you
know
we
can
reach
out.
C
For
you
know,
any
ideas
always
open
to
you
know
improving
things
to
to
tweak
things
as
we
kind
of
have
a
unique
opportunity
to
to
form
it
in
a
way
that
we
feel
is
best
for
for
everyone
involved.
Pat
cornell
has
also
join
joining
us
pat.
If
you
want
to
hop
in
and
talk
about,
the
operating
budget
engagement
specifically.
J
Yeah
sure,
thanks
thanks
dr
paulus,
this,
like
kevin,
said
this
was
one
of
the
first
first
experiences
we
really
had
with
operating
budget
engagement.
He
and
I
held
a
forum
in
september
it.
You
know
there
was
good
feedback
from
the
community
members
who
attended
with
the
help
of
the
office
of
community
affairs.
We
did
have
a
survey
up
on
engaged
pgh.
J
We
received
over
a
thousand
responses.
You
know
it
was
a
mix
of
you
know,
kind
of
choose,
choose
your
answers
and
also
written
response,
so
I'm
still
synthesizing
all
of
those
responses
from
our
constituents,
and
I
will
share
that
with
council
with
every
office
and
the
council
budget
office
as
well.
You
know
some
of
this
information
has
been
shared
with
the
mayor
and
I
do
look
forward
to
starting
an
earlier
schedule
next
year.
J
A
I
Thank
you
and
just
two
quick
follow-up
questions.
One
have
you
looked
at,
I
mean
I
think
I
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
just
wanted
to
get
it
out.
There
have
you
looked
at
best
practices
from
other
cities
and
what
has
really
worked
well
in
other
cities,
not
that
every
process
or
everything
that
other
cities
do
can
be
plopped
down
into
pittsburgh
and
immediately
work.
But
I'm
just
curious
if
you've,
if
you've
done
that.
J
J
Answering
and
have
meaningful
input.
There
are
a
lot
of
hurdles
in
the
commonwealth
of
pennsylvania
with
what
we
can
and
cannot
do
as
a
municipality.
So
it's
always
tough
to
look
out
of
state.
You
know
even
looking
at
what
philadelphia
does
is
different
with
their
status
as
a
first-class
city.
So
you
know
I
am
still
looking
for
guides.
If
you
have
any
best
practices,
I
would
be
happy
to
to
speak
with
you
about
him.
I
J
Right,
thank
you.
I
will
look
into
that.
I
love
the
data
sets
that
are
available
on
the
I
can
never
get
back
from
western,
the
western
pa
regional
data
center.
The
engaged
pgh
survey
tool
does
have
some
some
visualizations.
You
know
pie,
charts
and
percentages
built
in
right
off
the
bat.
I
would
want
to
just
make
sure
that
any
sensitive
information
that
we
may
have
asked
for
is
scrubbed
before
I
would
share
that
data.
So
I'll
look
into
it
understood.
A
K
Thank
you
appreciate
it.
Thanks
for
the
shout
out,
councilman
strasberger,
I
have
been
trying
to
put
out
the
data
for
previous
budgets.
If
you
all
didn't
notice
at
omb,
I
kind
of
put
out
the
links
to
the
western
pennsylvania
regional
data
center
budget,
so
none
of
those
have
they've
already
been
scrubbed,
as
you
say,
they're.
Basically,
mr
cornell,
the
same
as
the
pdfs.
K
J
Correct
and
those
so
I
know
I
worked
with
innovation
and
performance
to
get
prior
years
up.
I
know
there
has
been
a
lapse.
I
believe
there
was
some
turnover
in
the
the
imp
contact
who's
handled
it,
but
those
are
just
our
raw
data
numbers
that
do
go
into
our
enterprise
resource
planning
system
and
absolutely
you
know
once
we
have
a
chance
to
brief
with
this
year,
I
will
make
sure
we
get
caught
up
and
have
those
available.
K
K
So
I
want
to
say
that
I
also
want
to
say,
since
you
all
are
here
and
thank
you
again
for
getting
all
of
the
budget
material
out,
and
I
appreciate
this
is
a
very
difficult
year,
especially
difficult
for
all
of
us,
making
these
decisions
on
how
to
make
up
for
our
revenue
shortfall.
I
think
mr
urbanic
said
it.
Yesterday.
The
revenue
shortfall
becomes
an
expenditure
problem.
We
have
to
figure
out
how
to
spend
less
than
we
did.
Last
year,
it's
been
less
than
we
expected
to
be
able
to
spend
for
2021..
K
I'm
disappointed
that
we
went
ahead
and
moved
forward
with
the
items
that
I
voted
no
on
with
the
natural
gas
station
that
was
300
000,
maybe
400
000
and
the
purchase
of
those
gas
vehicles.
That
was,
I
sounds
to
me,
like
1.2
million
dollars
in
this
budget
year.
Those
are
where
we're
freezing
positions
in
departments
and
you're
not
able
to
fill
empty
positions.
It
seems
like
that
was
one
that
we
could
have.
K
Well,
we
all
hate
the
current,
the
environmental
services
garbage
trucks,
and
we
know
that
they're,
polluting
and
on
low
mileage.
It
was
an
expenditure
that
we
didn't
really
have
to
do
this
year,
we're
all
gonna
looking
through
it
and
every
one
and
a
half
million
here
and
one
and
a
half
million
there
adds
up
to
our
budget
shortfall
out
of
a
budget.
That's
about
a
thousand
budget
lines,
even
in
the
format
we
release
it
at
right.
K
K
K
So
since
we're
doing
equipment,
leasing,
authority
and
we're
talking
about
vehicles,
I've
tried
to
pull
out
of
last
year's
2020
budget
and
also
shared
with
the
public.
Those
kinds
of
items
that
are
police
department
related
that
are
not
on
the
page
of
the
2020
budget.
That
is
just
police
staffing
right.
K
K
K
G
K
F
F
F
F
F
Yes,
one
thing
that
that
we
have
to
realize
when
it
comes
to
police
vehicles
versus
our
own
personal
vehicles,
you
may
get
in
or
out
of
your
vehicle.
You
know
three
to
five
times
a
day,
whereas
with
police
we
run
these
vehicles,
three
ships
a
day
police
officers
get
into
their
in
and
out
of
their
vehicles.
You
know
anywhere
from
ten
plus
times
per
shift,
so
the
wear
on
the
seats,
the
wear
on
the
door
handles
the
running
of
the
engines.
F
K
K
I
didn't
ask
before
today's
hearing:
what's
the
exact
number
on
payroll,
maybe
you
all
know,
since
your
own
b?
What's
the
exact
number
of
officers
on
payroll,
and
then
you
know,
when
I
started
on
council,
we
had
probably
closer
to
800
on
payroll
so
like
how
do
we
decide
how
many
of
these
ford
explorers
we
need.
F
K
K
F
K
F
K
C
K
F
F
K
Right
right,
but
you
see
where
I'm
getting
at
just
like
with
all
the
all
the
departmental
budgets
right.
If
you
have
fewer
positions,
you
have
fewer
overhead
costs
right,
so
you
know
in
personnel
just
for
insurance,
health
insurance,
and
you
know,
unemployment,
insurance
and
those
kinds
of
stuff.
The
rule
of
thumb
is
when
you
have
an
employee,
you
add
kind
of
like
30
of
their
paycheck
right,
their
salary
for
their
total
budget
line,
so
for
them
to
have
a
phone
or
a
cell
phone
or
a
desk.
That's
very
rough
excuse
me
for
being
amateur.
K
I
think
our
own
budget
director
presented
to
us
just
yesterday
saying
that
any
reduction
in
police
might
be
untenable
and
there's
there's
gonna,
be
lots
of
opinions
about
that,
and
I
have
said
this
directly
to
the
director
of
public
safety
and
the
director
and
the
chief
of
police
myself.
So
I
I
think
it's
part
of
our
budget
season
discussion
that
we
should
talk
about.
K
You
know
how
much
police
we
could
afford
and
that's
what
the
public
is
asking
us
to
do
and
we'll
see
what
kinds
of
consensus
we
can
build
around.
That
number
I'm
going
to
switch
topics
so
you're
off
the
hook
for
ela
for
now,
but
one
of
the
things
we've
talked
about
for
years-
and
I
think
I
heard
the
mayor
hint
a
little
bit
about
it
in
his
budget
address
when
we
talk
about
equity.
K
So
one
of
the
kind
of
famous
titles
of
a
of
a
policy
article
is,
you
know
our
snowplow
sexist,
which
is
a
provocative
title.
You
immediately
go
like
what
are
you
talking
about
right,
but
if
we're
spending,
I
don't
know,
let's
just
say,
an
easy
number,
like
a
million
dollars,
I'm
sure
it's
more
than
that
to
plow
our
streets
right,
let's
say:
there's
a
city
budget
somewhere
and
they
spend
a
million
dollars
to
plow
the
streets.
K
It
was
an
adorable
photo.
I
think
I
probably
said
this
at
last
year's
budget
hearing.
It
was
an
adorable
photo
of
a
wagon
cart
and
it
had
a
clear
sign
on
it.
City
of
pittsburgh,
department
of
public
works,
and
it
had
probably
five
employees
in
winter
gear
in
the
snow
with
shovels,
and
that
was
that
was
you
know
they
were
clearing
the
snow
and
I
kept
and
it's
a
sepia.
You
know
that
kind
of
brown
and
white
photo
it's
just
a
fantastic
photo
from
city
archives
or
some
other
source.
K
You
know
it's
funny.
I
just
kept
looking
at
it.
I
kept
looking
at
her
every
couple
of
minutes
and
or
you
know,
couple
weeks
I
kept
revisiting
it
and
I
finally
figured
out
what
was
so
fascinating
about
it.
They
were
shoveling
the
sidewalk
and
they
were
throwing
the
snow
into
the
road,
so
that
is
a
completely
different
city
function
that
we
do
now.
K
K
Well,
what
are
the
outcomes
of
this
expenditure
of
us
spending
money
this
way
and
the
things
we
spend
money
on
in
the
operating
budget?
Are
they
equitable?
Are
they
really
serving
our
constituents
and
sometimes
it's
some
really
out
of
the
box
questions?
But
that's
what
we're
here
for
that's
the
conversation
that
we're
here
for
right.
It's,
okay,
I
think
to
enter
to
to
have
those
discussions
about
things
like
our
snowplow
sexist
and
so
the
gender
equity
commission
is
going
to
be.
K
I
think
we
already
approved
some
of
the
funding
for
us
to
look
through,
or
maybe
we're
just
assessing
it
there
too,
to
look
through
some
other
kinds
of
open
data
to
see
whether
or
not
we
have
are
serving
either
neighborhoods
or
portions
of
the
public
or
certain
categories
of
our
citizens
equitably.
So
I
really
look
forward
to
that
conversation,
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
the
heads
up
on
that,
because
I
think
it's
that's.
You
know
again
part
of
the
budget
discussion.
K
D
D
So
maybe
that
showed
a
little
bit,
but
I
really
want
to
thank
the
mayor
for
his
commitment
to
our
side
of
town
as
well,
and
with
that
said,
I
there's
a
couple
concerns
I
have
one
of
the
ones
I
do
have
is
with
the
cdbg
funding
and
that
process
is
taking
so
much
longer.
I
have
people
that
have
applied
to
years
ago,
or
just
now,
starting
to
get
that
funding
or
still
waiting
for
funding,
and
I
don't
know
it
seems
like
it's.
D
G
Sure,
just
to
clarify
is
this:
in
regards
to
the
public
service
applications,
formerly
the
ul
or
unspecified
local
option.
Yes,
decisions.
Yeah,
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
inquiries,
probably
about
one
a
week
from
the
applicants
wanting
to
know
if
their
project
got
funded
so
for
this
year
the
change
was
that
we
reviewed
all
applicants
and
built
that
spreadsheet
that
had
a
determination
if
the
project
application
was
eligible.
In
some
cases
a
lot
of
them
were
just
straight
yeses.
G
We
have
some
great
nonprofit
community
partners
who
have
been
doing
the
work
for
years,
we're
very
comfortable
with
that.
There
were
some
that
were
a
little
bit
conditional,
there's
some
program
wrinkles
that
can
be
difficult
for
for
somebody,
who's
new,
like
income,
verification
and
some
were
just
no's,
and
so
we
built
that
spreadsheet.
We
sent
it
to
the
nine
council
districts
and
the
mayor's
office.
So
far,
we've
legislated
three
of
the
council
districts.
Thank
you
for
sending
those
in
and
the
mayor's.
D
D
I
I
just
want
you
to
know
they
have
an
interest
and
concern
about
that
that
process
and
and
it
seems
like
it's
taking
a
lot
longer
and
at
the
same
time
I
feel
like
you've
been
very
helpful
and
the
groups
have
been
very
helpful
sitting
down
with
our
different
organizations.
So
there's
been
plot,
there's
been
pluses,
but
there's
also
this
length
of
time.
That's
a
concern.
D
G
So
yeah
so
starting
for
2020,
we
really
want
to
focus
our
funding
on
registered
501
c3s
that
have
their
own
general
liability
insurance.
That
was
a
policy
decision
that
came
from
our
department
and
law,
just
in
terms
of
the
risk
that
the
city's
held
to.
If
something
were,
to
go
wrong
with
the
program
that
we
funded
in
terms
of
just
good
government
and
what
we
feel
is
the
responsible
thing
to
do.
General
liability
insurance
feels
like
a
safe
bar.
G
D
So
I
think
that's
where
the
problem
is
with
apple,
I
mean
akbo
is
intended
to
help
organizations
build
capacity,
but
if
they
don't
have
capacity,
they
don't
get
the
funding.
So
it's
a
catch-22
I
mean
so
I
think
that's
an
issue
and
then
now
you're
saying
now
these
groups
have
to
have
capacity,
they
have
to
have
a
fund.
D
It
takes
a
lot
to
become
a
501c3
for
a
group,
that's
just
starting
out,
and
they
don't
understand
so
I'd
like
to
know
that
we're
going
to
put
something
in
place
to
maybe
help
groups
build
their
capacity
so
that
they
can
become
a
501c3,
so
they
can't
have
their
insurance.
So
you
can't
address
the
concerns
you
have.
D
There
are
legitimate
legitimate
concerns,
but
at
the
same
time
this
money
is
intended
to
help
people
that
I
don't
think
it's
necessarily
reaching
and-
and
I
think
just
because
somebody
has
capacity
doesn't
mean
they
have
art-
doesn't
mean
they
have
results.
It
means
that
they
got
the
501c3
and
means
that
they
were
able
to
secure
funding
in
ways
that
they
could
build
capacity
in
terms
of
a
staff
or
whatever
a
lot
of
these
groups.
D
G
Yeah
yeah
we've
heard
that
feedback
consistently
from
your
office,
also
from
henry
horn
pyatt
with
the
mayor's
office
from
joseph
fitzgibbons
with
the
ura.
We
we
have
to
shout
out
on
joshua
and
whitney
finstrom
from
our
team,
who
did
a
great
job
running
an
amended
version
of
the
neighborhood
economic
development
program,
the
new
branding
for
what's
formerly
called
ecbo,
and
one
of
the
things
we're
finding
with
the
survey
results
of
all
the
committee
members
coming
out
of
the
program
is
that
maybe
we
need
to
have
two
pools.
G
Maybe
we
need
to
have
a
pool
specifically
for
those
small
organizations
that
don't
have
any
staff
we're
looking
at
the
data
for
all
of
the
people
who
applied
in
terms
of
what
their
annual
budgets
are
and
there's
huge
gaps.
There's
some
organizations
that
have
six
or
seven
staff
members.
Some
are
all
volunteer-led.
So
what
can
we
do
to
help
build
capacity
for
those
all
volunteer-led
organizations
that
they
can
serve
their
residents
better?
We're
currently
designing
some
things.
D
Thank
you
so
much,
and
then
the
only
other
thing
I'd
like
to
mention
is
the
citizens
participation
in
the
budget,
and
I
think
that
you
know
I've
heard
councilwoman
strasberger
mention
you
know
how
she'd
like
to
see
things
grow
and
and
expand,
and
I
want
to
say
that
this
process,
this
whole
budget
process,
was
something
that
I
think
was
councilwoman
rudiac
put
in
place
when
she
was
here,
so
it's
been
around
for
a
while.
So
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
time
for
us
to
change
some
stuff.
D
I
think
there
were
some
things
that
we
wanted
to
change
and
we
maybe
haven't
had
an
opportunity
yet
so
I
think
that
it'd
be
a
great
time
to
have
a
discussion
with
our
budget
chair
and
our
director
and
director
paulus.
I
think
it'd
be
great
to
have
that
conversation,
but
I
I
do
have
some
concerns
with
the
citizen
participation.
D
Only
because
I've
gone
to
those
meetings
and
a
lot
of
times
I
mean
it's
you're
thankful
for
the
people
that
do
show
up,
but
I
do
know
that
a
lot
of
times,
they're
they're,
not
really
the
people
that
have
a
voice
in
the
community.
They're
not
really
speaking
for
anybody
other
than
themselves
a
lot
of
times
and
that's
okay,
but
we
can't
assume
that
they're
going
to
be
leading
a
charge
somewhere,
because
some
of
the
people
are
people
that
maybe
the
community
doesn't
want
to
necessarily
speak
for
them.
D
So
I
think
that's
where
we're
elected
officials
come
into
play.
We
were
elected
to
do
some
of
these
things,
but
I
would
like
to
see
council
work
with
groups
of
people
in
their
communities
in
their
districts
and
maybe
have
a
process
where
we're
working
with
our
constituency
and
hearing
different
voices
and
multiple
multiple
ideas
and
suggestions
from
people
that
may
not
ever
agree,
but
yet
they
can
come
together
and
work
on
the
budget.
D
Like
you
know,
as
we
do,
I
would
like
to
see
us
come
up
with
some
kind
of
team
like
that,
and
with
that
said,
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
again
for
for
your
for
your
work
on
the
budget.
It's
it's
amazing.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
very
challenging
year.
I
think
that
it's
been
amazing
that
we
haven't
had
to
lay
anyone
off
so
far
and
I'm
hoping
that
we
get
the
help
from
the
federal
government
that
we
need.
D
E
E
Okay
thanks,
so
this
is
actually
good
that
I
go
because
I
was
gonna
expand
on
the
cbg
a
little
bit
and
I
just
can't
say
how
much
I
appreciate
the
time
that
cbg
office
has
given.
You
know
my
staff
and
myself
the
ability
to
get
familiar
with.
You
know
how
how
things
are
run,
but
also
to
really
help
us
out
in
a
lot
of
ways,
and
you
know
the
umb
office
as
well.
E
You
know
numerous
amounts
of
documents.
I
know
I'm
talking
to
specifics,
but
basically
you
know
to
have
something
end
up
in
a
cell
so
that
you
all
can
do
your
job
better
and
faster
is
what's
needed,
and
so
you
know
I
know
that
there's
you
know
we
have
to
cut
across
the
board
here,
but
I
just
know
that
even
if
we're
going
to
start
cutting
one
or
two
positions,
it's
still
time
that
you
know
people
on
the
ground
you
know
are,
are
faced
with
any
office
where
they
have
to.
E
You
know,
there's
so
many
applications
out
there
and
we
tried
our
best
to
you
know,
maybe
not
allocate
you
know.
Instead
of
allocating.
You
know
10
organizations
that
we
may
have
in
the
past,
maybe
only
six,
so
there's
less
less
of
that
time
spent.
You
know
here's
funds
for
two
years
instead
of
you
know,
could
you
could
this
get
you
through
a
year
and
a
half
or
something
so
anyway?
My
specific
question
is:
does
the
decrease
of
170
within
administration?
E
G
That
shows
up
as
a
pretty
deep
cut.
The
good
news
is
it's
actually
fairly
normal
for
us,
in
the
sense
that
we
have
to
do
a
five-year
consolidated
plan
every
five
years,
and
so
you
probably
saw
in
the
last
two
budgets
us
kind
of
gearing
up
ramping
up,
that
funding
to
be
able
to
pay
it
for
the
consultants
and
all
the
data
gathering
that
we
needed
to
do
for
the
five-year
plan
for
the
next
few
years.
G
We're
just
doing
annual
action
plans
and
those
are
a
lot
cheaper
to
produce
so
we're
able
to
dip
dip
down
on
the
budget,
and
then
I
think
again
in
2024.
We
have
another
kind
of
spike
whenever
we're
preparing
for
the
next
five
year
plan,
so
that
admin
line
item
is
really
specific
to
consultants
and
some
of
the
data
work.
We
need
to
do
around
the
five-year
plan.
So
whenever
you
see
it
dip
and
flatten
out
and
jump
back
up
again
we're
just
kind
of
preparing
for
the
next.
J
G
In
terms
of
the
application
or
the
creation
of
the
plans
themselves,
the
application
yeah
we're
definitely
open
to
changing
the
applications
for
our
subrecipient
grant
programs
that
were
mentioned
earlier.
Public
service
in
the
neighborhood
economic
development
grants
we're
we're
finding
that
some
questions
are
more
relevant
to
other
to
certain
reviewers
than
other
ones
are.
E
And
maybe
this
maybe
this
next
question
is
for
as
for
whitney,
but
you
know
I
just
had
to
ask:
what
can
we
do
on
our
end?
To
you
know
lessen
them,
you
know
make
the
burden
less
meaning.
Should
we
be,
you
know,
have
the
conversation
with
the
organizations
of
like
look
here.
You
know
criteria
be
more.
You
know
strong
with
our
wording
on
like
what
you
know.
What's
expected
in
the
application.
E
E
G
G
I
would
just
encourage
people
to
add
or
to
request
to
be
added
to
our
mailing
list
for
both
of
those
programs.
It's
community
development,
sorry
community.development,
pittsburgh,
pa.gov,
one
of
the
great
things
about
being
able
to
hire
whitney
in
the
past
year
is
that
we're
now
able
to
do
sessions
during
the
application
period,
where
a
potential
organization
can
come
to
that
session.
Learn
what
the
program's
about
understand
the
requirements
a
little
bit
better
and
then
ask
questions.
G
We
did
have
questions
at
the
end,
specifically
about
scopes
and
activities
if
it
was
eligible,
so
that's
a
great
way
to
learn,
or
they
can
just
reach
out
to
us,
with
whatever
their
goals
are
to
see
if
it's
worthwhile
for
them
even
to
apply.
I
wouldn't
want
anybody
to
waste
time,
but
we
we
obviously
love
having
a
wide
pool
of
available
ineligible
applicants
for
council
on
the
mayor
to
pick
from.
F
H
Okay,
you
know
I
just
wanted
to
add,
as
chair
of
the
department
of
public
works,
I'm
very
proud
of
that,
and
I
take
that
position
very
seriously
and
when
I
hear
about
these
sexist
plow
trucks,
I
gotta
tell
you.
I
will
be
looking
into
it
immediately
and
we
will
nip
it
in
the
bud.
Okay,
I
just
want
to
let
everybody
rest
assure
that
this
will
not
be
a
problem
in
our
department.
Thank
you.
B
B
B
These
have
been
hybrids
by
the
way
we
wanted
to
highlight
that
so
folks
understand
that
we're
moving
in
a
different
direction
and
trying
to
save
some
money,
as
well
as
the
purchases
of
the
32
interceptors
that
were
mentioned
before
those
are
also
hybrids
and
hope,
though,
hopefully
they'll
help
to
deal
with
some
of
our
rising
fuel
costs
and
also
the
life
cycle
of
those
vehicles.
Even
though
we're
talking
about
seats
and
doors
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
the
engines
actually
last
a
little
bit
longer,
and
so
does
it
break.
B
B
A
I
don't
hear
anyone
speaking
I'll
simply
say
thank
you.
I
was
going
to
ask
where
we
were.
We
indeed
now
moving
to
the
hybrid
vehicles
for
our
police
force,
and
so
it's
really
good
to
hear
that
we
are
indeed
so
I
appreciate
that
before
we
potentially
end.
Is
there
any
other
member
who
would
like
to
say
something.
A
Okay,
we
do
have
an
announcement.
Budget
hearings
will
continue
tomorrow,
thursday
november
19th,
with
the
department
of
public
safety
at
10
a.m,
in
the
department
of
permits,
licensing
and
inspections
at
1,
30
pm,
and
so
all
those
can
tune
right
back.
It'll
be
live
streamed
again
with
that
we
need
a
motion
to
recess
this
meeting.