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A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
pittsburgh
city
council's
cable
casper
televised
post
agenda
regarding
coveted
pay
for
monday
december
7th.
Madam
clark,
will
you
please
read
the
title
of
the
bill.
A
Thank
you
and
I'll,
just
correct
myself:
it's
not
televised!
It's
it's
a
zoom
meeting.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
I
would
like
to
say
that
we
are
joined
by
council
members,
krauss
lavelle
gross
strasberger,
coghill
and
wilson,
and
before
we
begin
we're
going
to,
let
me
just
say,
lay
some
groundwork:
we're
going
to
hear
from
we're
joined
by
guest
sam
williamson
from
seiu
dan
gilman
from
the
mayor's
office
chief
of
staff
at
the
mayor's
office.
The
law
department,
allegheny
conference
was
invited,
but
I
do
know.
A
A
It
came
under
my
name
as
the
sponsor
because
I
entered,
I
bought
it
under
my
committee
for
the
mayor's
office,
but
it
is
a
piece
that
the
mayor's
office
has
been
working
on
and
I'm
thankful
that
they've
been
working
with
a
lot
of
people
trying
to
get
this
to
a
place
where
everybody's
comfortable-
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
all
work
together,
because,
as
we've
seen
through
these
coveted
times,
we
have
seen
all
of
a
lot
of
our
seiu
workers,
nurses,
healthcare,
seiu
healthcare
and
a
lot
of
people
in
the
hospitality
industry.
A
Nurses,
working
hospitality
industry
needing
some
help,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
the
hotels
and
other
places
have
not
been
been
open.
So
we
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
struggle
and
yet
a
lot
of
dependency
on
our
unions.
But
there's
also
been
a
lot
of
help
coming
to
us
from
our
business
community.
I
don't
know
where
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
quite
frankly,
would
have
been
without
john,
diego
and
the
eaton
park.
A
Hospitality
group,
but
there's
just
been
so
much
that
we've
seen
with
them,
feeding
people
giving
boxes
of
food,
helping
supply
and
stock
food
pantries
across
the
city
across
the
region,
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
we're
in
this
together
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we're
working
through
this
together
as
well.
But
that
said,
I'm
going
to
give
it
for
everyone,
an
opening
statement
about
three
minutes.
If
you
can
keep
your
comments
to
about
three
minutes
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
members
of
council
for
questions
and
we'll
begin
with.
C
Thank
you,
madam
president
and
council
members,
and
my
fellow
guests
council
president.
You
you
really
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
with
your
opening
remarks.
We
introduced
this
bill
because,
with
the
the
rising
code
bid
numbers
which,
since
we
introduced
it,
have
increased
exponentially,
we
know
we
must
number
one
I'll.
Do
our
part
to
stop
the
spread
of
the
virus
and
number
two
support
each
other
workers
and
businesses
alike,
and
unfortunately,
for
so
many
of
our
neighbors,
who
are
housing
and
food
insecure.
C
C
At
the
same
time,
we
recognize
small
businesses
in
all
businesses
are
struggling.
I
certainly
won't
speak
with
experts,
like
mr
graffon,
who
know
better
than
anyone.
I
mean
you
look
at
what's
happening
in
so
many
restaurants,
so
many
of
our
certainly
our
hotel
industry
and
tourism
industry,
our
office
tenancy,
we
know
businesses
are
struggling
and
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
harm
them,
and
let
me
be
clear:
we
shouldn't
be
in
this
place,
because
we
should
have
a
federal
government
that
takes
action.
Unfortunately,
we
don't.
C
C
I
would
write
if
we
were
the
federal
government
and
could
do
certain
things
differently,
but
it's
the
best
bill,
given
the
conditions
on
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
since
the
time
we
introduced
it,
two
important
things
have
happened:
number
one:
the
cdc
has
changed
their
guidelines
from
14
to
10
days,
which
is
significant
and
number
two
to
the
credit
of
the
business
community
and
labor
people
have
come
together
to
work
to
make
the
bill
stronger,
clearer
and
a
compromise
that
helps
everyone.
C
So
I
sent
all
members
yesterday
a
new
version,
we're
going
to
make
a
few
more
amendments
and
I'll
get
that
to
council
again
tonight
for
a
requested
amendment
by
substitution
tomorrow,
but
for
the
public's
benefit.
The
most
significant
changes
are
that
we're
taking
the
number
of
sick
days
from
or
hours
from,
112
down
to
80..
That's
two
weeks.
That's
10
days.
That's
in
line
with
the
change
by
the
cdc
guidelines.
C
We've
also
clarified
that
really
the
four
reasons
that
you
can
use
this
sleeve,
it's
number
one
you're
sick,
number,
two
you're
caring
for
a
sick,
individual
number.
Three.
You
have
symptoms
of
being
sick
or
number
four
you're
caring
for
someone
who
has
symptoms
of
being
sick.
That's
the
the
critical
areas
we
need
for
people
to
stay
home
and
take
care
of
themselves.
You
do
not
need
to
have
a
positive
test.
C
We
know
that
that
is
a
burden
with
the
testing
system,
the
transportation,
particularly
for
people
who
may
not
have
easy
transportation
or
primary
care
physician.
We
don't
want
to
require
that
positive
test.
First,
we
just
ask
that
a
work
and
employee
notify
their
employer
as
soon
as
possible
about
the
need
to
use
the
sick
time
and
then
the
last
thing
I'll
say
and
then
I'll
stop,
because
I
know
there
are
other
guests
and
council
members
is
two
key
functions
to
this.
C
We
have
worked
very
hard
to
keep
this
separate
from
the
paid
sick
leave
law
that
council
worked
on
the
past.
We
do
not
in
any
way
want
to
legally
jeopardize
that
and
they're
two
separate
things
and
philosophically
they're
different.
The
mayor
introduced
this
bill
because
there's
a
recognition
that
we
are
in
emergency
times,
so
whatever
the
sick
leave
policy
was
for
the
city
or
an
individual
company
that
went
above
and
beyond.
This
is
a
unique
moment
and
we're
saying
there
needs
to
be
something
unique
about
it.
C
So,
just
because
someone
has
sick
leave
generally
doesn't
mean
they
don't
need
extra
time
because
of
covid
and,
more
importantly,
if
they
have
to
use
the
time
in
january
or
february
because
of
covid,
we
don't
then
hopefully
knock
on
wood.
We
have
a
vaccine
and
go
back
to
some
semblance
of
normal
this
summer
or
spring.
C
We
don't
want
someone,
then
having
the
rest
of
the
year
with
no
sick
time
left
for
when
their
child
gets
the
flu
or
they
get
food
poisoning
you
know
or
their
their
mom
has
an
emergency
doctor's
appointment
that
they
have
to
run
to
those
are
still
the
reasons
we
need
sick
time
for
all
americans
and
all
pittsburghers.
C
A
No
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
comments
and
for
all
your
work
on
this.
I
know
you've
worked
a
lot
on
it.
Can
we
next
have
sam
williamson
from
seiu.
D
Good
evening
nice
to
see
you
all,
and
thank
you,
madam
president,
for
for
having
me
on
this
evening-
I'm
the
western
pennsylvania
director
of
seiu
local
32bj.
Let
me
begin
first
by
thanking
mayor
peduto
for
introducing
this
bill
thanking
council
for
moving
it
forward
so
quickly.
Thank
council
president
cal
smith
for
moving.
C
D
Scheduling
so
so
quickly,
because
we're
in
a
crisis
and
working
people
across
the
city
desperately
need
the
the
measures
that
you
guys
are
debating
and
that
the
mayor
has
proposed
probably
goes
without
saying
to,
but
I'll
say
it
anyway.
30Bj
is
fully
in
support
of
this
ordinance,
including
the
amendments
that
that
chief
gilman
spoke
to
a
few
minutes
ago.
D
D
Many
of
them
are
risking
their
own
health
or
the
health
of
their
families
and
the
process
and
way
too
many
of
them
an
increasing
number
of
them
every
single
day
getting
sick
and
having
to
quarantine,
as
as
this
virus
continues
to
ravage
our
communities,
our
workplaces,
our
our
economy,
you
know
and
taking
its
toll
really
disproportionately
on
communities
of
color
and
on
black
workers
across
our
city.
D
So
we
have
seen
over
and
over
again
our
own
members
and
other
working
people
across
the
city
have
to
quarantine
in
the
interest
of
public
health,
be
told
to
quarantine.
Sometimes,
by
their
own
employers
because
of
exposure
that
took
place
at
work
but
because,
quite
frankly,
of
deficiencies
in
the
federal
legislation
that
passed
earlier
this
year
received
absolutely
no
paid
compensation
for
that
time
off.
So
right
now,
we've
got
members
like
darlene
who's,
a
cleaner
in
a
downtown
pittsburgh
office
building
who
spent
time
with
her
her
sister.
D
Her
sister
ended
up
testing
positive
for
cobia,
19,
and
so
now
she's
got
a
quarantine
for
for
two
weeks
from
her
job
as
a
cleaner
she's,
not
getting
paid
for
a
single
one
of
those
days.
Despite
the
fact
that
she
works
for
a
huge
multinational
corporation,
I
have
to
tell
you
about
a
security
officer
named
deja
who
works
in
a
pittsburgh
area
hospital,
and
you
can
ended
up
testing
positive
for
kovid.
D
Her
young
son
has
coveted,
and
she
is
still
going
to
work
every
single
night
because
she
has
not
enough
paid
time
off
to
be
able
to
allow
herself
to
stay
home
with
her
son
who's
sick
with
it's
the
story,
there's
32,
vj
members
and
working
people
like
them
all
across
this
city
who
are
going
to
benefit
from
this
ordinance
the
moment
it
passes
and
is
signed
into
law,
and
we
thank
you
and
the
mayor
for
having
the
courage
to
to
stand
up
and
push
this
this
through.
D
These
are
dark
dark
times
for
our
city
for
working
people,
the
case
numbers
are
bad
and
getting
worse
and
all
the
unfortunate
predictions
are
they're
good
that
things
are
going
to
get
worse
over
the
coming
weeks
before
they
get
better,
and
so
you
know,
as
we
see
it,
this
ordinance
and
and
this
measures
is
desperately
needed.
If
anything,
you
know
a
long.
You
know
a
bit
overdue,
we're
glad
that
it's
gonna
come
into
play
and
help
as
many
workers
as
as
possible
over
the
coming
weeks.
D
So
again,
thank
you
all
for
for
your
efforts
and
thank
you,
chief
gilman,
for
everything
you've
put
into
helping
to
craft
this
bill
and
and
and
made
to
make
it
successful.
A
F
Thank
you,
madam
president,
members
of
council.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
have
a
chance
to
say
a
few
words
and
give
you
the
perspective
of
the
business
community
here
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
I'm
not
here
explicitly
to
oppose
this
legislation.
F
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
I
think
everybody
who
is
part
of
this
hearing
is
working
toward
the
same
goal.
I
and
the
president
and
chief
executive
officer
of
prior
hospitality
group.
We
have
four
business
lines,
including
the
priory
hotel
on
the
north
side
and
the
mansions
held
on
fifth
hotel
in
shadyside,
and
I
I
think
everybody
has
acknowledged
here
already
that
the
hospitality
industry
in
the
food
service
industry
has
been
absolutely
devastated
by
this
pandemic.
F
Our
other
two
operating
business
lines
that
are
currently
operating
are
at
well
under
40
of
their
revenues
from
last
year,
and
so
you
know
what
we're
doing
is
borrowing
money
to
keep
the
doors
open
right
now
that
payroll
protection
money
was
nice
and
it
was
very
much
appreciated,
but
it
was
intended
for
a
two
to
three
month
period
and
that
was
back
in
april
may,
so
that
money's
run
out
a
lot
of
the
businesses
here
that
are
affected
by
this
legislation.
F
You
know,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
would
consider
us
a
small
business,
but
we
more
than
qualify
between
our
four
business
lines
for
the
full
impact
of
this
legislation,
and
so
what
I
want
to
do
is
just
share
some
concerns
with
you
now
I
understand
that
there
have
been
some
talks
and
I
personally
was
not
part
of
them,
but
there's
been
some
talks
with
the
mayor's
office
and
with
members
of
council
and
with
chief
of
staff
gilman,
and
it
sounds
like
there's
been
a
lot
of
progress
made
in
terms
of
of
creating
something
that
is
palatable
for
everybody.
F
F
The
city's
legislation
does
not
do
that
and
obviously
can't
there's
no
mechanism
for
for
the
make
hole
for
this
mandate.
So
what
we're
doing
is
we're.
We
are
really
focusing
on
employers,
including
businesses
like
ours,
which
you
know
are
bigger
than
small
and
mom
and
pop.
F
But
you
know
we're
not
a
giant
corporation
either
to
in
essence,
put
yourself
in
a
position
to
borrow
more
money,
gather,
more
debt
of
which
I'm
personally
guaranteeing
to
to
float
this
if,
in
fact,
our
employees
take
this
this
paid
time
off
our
organization,
and
I
can't
speak
to
others,
but
I
do
know
many
people
in
the
hospitality
space
that
offer
very
generous
paid
time-off
policies.
F
We
offer
up
to
five
weeks
to
pay
time
off
depending
on
length
of
service
and
everybody
qualifies,
so
it
doesn't
matter
if
you
work,
you
know
five
hours
a
week
or
forty
you
qualify
and
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
necessarily
an
adequate
replacement
for
you
know
this
coveted
emergency,
but
I
am
saying
it's
it's
something
to
consider
and
really
that's
my
message
today
is
that
you
know
we
really
need
to
take
a
long,
hard
look
at
this
and
and
the
impact
it's
gonna
have
on
the
business
community
here
people
a
lot
of
people
are
hanging
by
the
skin
of
their
teeth
right
now,
and
you
know
we're
hoping
that
this
isn't
the
thing
that
pushes
them
over
the
edge.
F
So,
as
I
said,
I'm
not
here
to
oppose
this
necessarily.
I
appreciate
the
efforts
of
counsel
and
the
efforts
of
the
mayor's
office
to
craft,
something
that
hopefully
can
be
a
win-win
for
everybody,
but
there's
there
is
danger
here
and
there's
shoals
that
we
can
crash
into.
So
I
appreciate
everybody's
time
listening
to
me
and
and
bringing
this
perspective
to
this
pers
proceeding
and
I
will
be
quiet
now.
A
Thank
you,
I'm
sure
they'll
have
some
questions,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
your
comments
and
we
have
our
law
department
and
I
don't
know
if
they
want
to
make
a
statement
or
just
be
here
in
case
they
have
questions.
E
A
A
And
so
that,
with
that
said,
open
it
up
to
members
of
council
for
questions-
and
I
know
that
council
members
have
also
been
very
busy
councilman
krauss.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
I'll
make
this
very
quick
mike.
My
questions
are
more
for
chief
gilman
in
terms
of
the
substance
of
the
bill,
so
determination
for
the
benefit
is
to
be
made
by
a
public
official
or
public
health
authority
having
jurisdiction
and
being
that
there
is
not
a
definition
section
per
se
to
the
legislation.
C
In
allegheny
county's
case
that
it
really
would
be
from
a
health
director,
the
health
department
and
there's
also
medical,
you
know
professional
in
there
would
that
would
qualify.
Yes,
so
basically
the
idea
being,
if
I
either,
if
the
county
in
this
case,
does
the
contact
tracing
and
calls
you
and
says
you
know
councilman
krauss,
you
were
exposed
and
you
need
to
stay
home
for
for
ten
days,
for
for
two
weeks.
That
would
be
a
way
or
or
if
your
doctor
did
perfect.
E
C
In
the
original
drafting,
there
was
some
language
about
which
is
some
of
the
leftovers
about
about
things
around
kind
of
a
shutdown
order,
stay-at-home
order
that
that's
been
deleted
from
the
new
version,
and
it's
not
in
there.
Obviously,
you
know
it
if
a
business
has
zero
revenue
coming
in,
because
they've
been
ordered
closed
by
the
government.
We
we
don't
want
to
add
the
extra
burden.
E
My
second
question
then
goes
towards
the
sunset
of
the
of
the
ordinance.
The
language
of
that
has
changed
rather
significantly,
and
it
now
is
dependent
on
the
expiration
of
the
emergency
death
disaster
declaration
of
either
the
commonwealth
or
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
Whichever
is
the
the
sooner
of
the
two.
C
Correct
that
was
the
original
language,
except
for
the
original
language
had
four
weeks
after
the
expiration
and
we've
changed
that
to
one
week
post
expiration
period.
But.
C
C
E
There
section
I'm
sorry
chief,
it's
section
two,
it
is
the
next
to
the
last
paragraph,
and
then
this
question,
I
I
think,
is
applicable,
and,
and
so
I
want
to
put
it
out
there-
the
clerk
got
a
call
yesterday
of
of
an
employee
that
wished
to
know
if
the
legislation
was
going
to
be
retroactive,
that
would
that
employee
be
able
to
apply
for
benefit
for
something
that
has
happened
previously.
E
My
advice,
you
know
as
sound
as
it
can
be
to
the
clerk
was
there
is
no
ordinance
until
we
actually
pass
it
and
it's
signed
into
law
by
the
mayor,
so
my
understanding
would
be.
This
would
not
be
retroactive
in
any
way.
This
would
begin
implementation
upon
the
mayor's
signature
and
then
anything
that
happened
post.
That
is
what
would
be
covered
under
this
ordinance.
I
just
want
to
make
certain
that
people
clearly
understand
that.
C
Sure-
and
let
me
first
answer
your
last
question-
I
I
see
what
you're
saying
country
section
two
that
you
refer
to
is
the
expiration
of
the
entire
chapter,
since
this
is
a
covet
19
emergency
ordinance.
However,
if
you
look
at
section
d,
as
in
david,
it
says
the
sixth
time
shall
be
provided
for
anyone,
who's
been
employed
for
90
days
and
shall
be
entitled
until
one
week
following
the
official
termination
or
suspension
of
the
public
health
emergency.
E
C
Into
your
retroactivity
question,
of
course,
the
city
cannot
do
anything
in
retroactive
nature,
so
no
it
wouldn't
be
retroactive
without
knowing
the
specifics
or
wanting
to
provide
any
kind
of
legal
advice
to
a
specific
case.
Of
course,
if
somebody
is
in
the
middle
of
mandatory
quarantine,
when
this
takes
effect,
they
could
use
it
right
away
for
that
portion,
but
you
would
not
be
able
to
to
apply
for
previous
time
that
that
you
had
had
it
and
applied
to
that.
The
city
can't
do
retroactive
laws.
C
G
H
I
I
I
I
did
want
to
hear
a
perspective
from
the
business
world
and
I'll
just
tell
you
my
first
thought
was
you
know,
thinking
regionally.
I
just
thought
well,
first
of
all,
my
principle
is
you
know,
I
don't
believe
city
government
should
be
able
to
mandate
attacks
on
private
business.
Okay,
however,
we
are
in
strange
times
and-
and
you
know,
people
are
in
need
of
help
and
then
talking
to
sam
the
other
day
and
conversations
I
had
with
you
know:
labor
council,
leader,
darren
kelly
and
our
county
executive
and
some
other
people.
I
You
know
I
talked
it
through
many
many
levels
and
talked
about
you
know
what
it
means
to
you
know
say
somebody
who
may
want
to
sort
of
say
a
software
company
with
that
might
project
a
hundred
employees
who's.
Looking
for
the
right
area
to
move
to,
I
mean
right
now
as
it
stands,
we
don't
even
know
how
downtown
is
going
to
recover
if
it's
going
to
recover-
and
I
thought
the
message
that
sends
to
somebody
who's
looking
to
move
business
to
pittsburgh
is
just
kind
of
the
wrong
avenue
is
what
I
thought.
C
I
would
say
you
know
one
of
the
number
one
things
I
would
say
is:
if
you
talk
to
a
lot
of
business
owners,
particularly
to
your
example,
something
in
the
software
industry
or
you
know,
mr
graf
said
he
gives
five
weeks,
I
think,
is
what
he
said.
This
is
how
you
recruit.
You
know
there
there's
a
big
company
locally,
who
you
know.
C
I
won't
mention
specific
names
who
currently
gives
six
weeks
vacation
because
that's
what
they
need
to
do
to
recruit
talent,
and
if
you
look
around
the
country
most
successful
businesses
generally
have
a
better
pay
and
b
better
policies
around
not
only
paid
sick
leave,
but
also
paternity
and
maternity
leave
and
other
benefits,
because
employees
today
require
that.
C
So
I
think
for
a
business,
these
types
of
policies
make
you
a
more
attractive
employer
to
get
the
talent
you
need
to
succeed
and
to
retain
employees,
which
of
course,
helps
your
business
grow
and
and
helps
retention
costs.
Everything
is,
of
course,
a
balance.
Just
like
taxation
is
a
balance
and
benefits
packages
are
a
balance,
but
we
see
you
know.
While
companies
are
struggling,
you
know
we're
trying
to
attack
the
fact
that
we
really
know
there
are
families
out
there
who
who
can't
survive
right
now.
I
Right
and
yeah,
I
do
appreciate
that
and
I
guess
if
it
were
statewide,
I
guess
it
wouldn't
be
so
impactful,
but
now
you
know
we're
competing
with
dormont
we're
competing
with
greentree
and
mount
lebanon
and
all
these
surrounding
communities
as
to
where
companies
may
locate,
and
I
just
think
it's
future
revenue.
John.
You
care
to
comment
on
that.
F
J
We
have.
F
Two
prominent
event
facilities
at
our
grand
vault,
the
priory
and
at
the
mansions
on
fifth,
and
while
we
were,
you
know,
according
to
certain
allegheny
county
guidelines,
having
to
basically
turn
business
away
or
take
it
off
the
books
or
move
it
the
next
year.
What
we've
seen
was
a
lot
of
clients
were
heading
across
county
lines
too.
F
So
you
know
it
is
a
delicate
balance
and
you
know
I
think
we
we
just
have
to
be
careful
and
give
you
know
a
lot
of
thought
to,
especially
under
the
current
circumstances,
what
burns
we're
gonna
place
on
on
businesses,
especially
ones
that
are
not.
You
know
the
larger,
more
capitalized
ones.
I
Yep,
and
on
that
point
john,
you
know
my
main
concern
with
this
whole
thing
was:
who
are
the
businesses
with
200
to
300
employees?
Now
let
me
preface
it
by
saying
this.
Originally,
I
thought
well
if
somebody
has
plus
50
employees
just
because
they
have
that
many
employees
does
not
mean
that
profit
margin
you
know
is
coincides
with
that,
but
I'm
beginning
to
find
out
in
our
last
conversation
in
the
past
hour,
you
know
councilwoman
gross
brought
up.
I
the
point.
I
J
I
I
D
I
think
what
councilman
o'connor
was
referencing
is
the
number
of
workers
who,
prior
to
the
the
enactment
of
the
existing
city,
ordinance,
had
zero
paid
sick
days
whatsoever,
and
that
number
was
in
the
neighborhood
of
forty
to
fifty
thousand.
Those
are
those
are
workers
who
are
now,
thankfully,
covered
by
the
ordinance
that
you
know.
D
Frankly,
employers
made
the
same
argument,
then
that
so
the
questions
you're
raising
right
now,
right
that
if
we
force
employers
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
to
give
people
five
paid
sick
days
a
year,
how
are
small
businesses
gonna
survive?
Well,
you
know,
thankfully,
that
ordinance
went
into
effect
on
march
15th
of
this
year,
just
in
time
for
for
those
workers
to
get
a
few
days
of
paid
sick
leave
to
use
this
year,
but,
frankly,
obviously
not
enough
to
use
during
a
pandemic.
D
I
mean
so
I
is
that
right.
If
I
respond
to
your
question
just
just
briefly,
the
first
question
so
yeah
the
the
way
I
you
know,
I
union
leaders
also
want
to
grow
the
economy
right.
My
members
work
in
commercial
office
buildings
in
downtown
pittsburgh
and
it's
not
good
for
their
future
or
our
future
as
a
as
a
union.
If
those
offices,
if
those
buildings
remain
empty
and
the
businesses
that
you
know
our
members
clean
up
after
can't
get
back
in
there,
get
back
to
work
and
continue
to
grow
our
economy.
D
D
Despite
what
some
have
argued
where
anti-business
regulations
and
an
ordinance
is
already
adopted
by
this
council
and
mayor
peduto,
like
the
paid
sick
day,
ordinance
or
frankly,
the
tax
on
on
real
estate
that
has
allowed
us
to
invest
in
affordable
housing,
which
it
was
also
argued,
was
gonna,
drive
people
into
suburbs
and
make
people
leave
the
the
city.
You
know,
I,
I
don't
really
see
those
those
you
know.
D
Scare
tactics
or
those
those
threats
actually
come
into
fruition
once
these
ordinances
are
really
in
place,
because
people
want
to
be
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
because
of
a
great
city
to
do
business
in
it's
a
great
city
to
live
in.
It's
a
great
city
to
attract
talent
to
you
know,
and
these
ordinances
and
these
these
kinds
of
policies
make
it
an
even
better
place
to
live,
work
and
do
business,
and
you
know
I.
I
believe
that
we
ought
to
be
growing
our
economy
in
a
way
that
makes
our
economy
more.
K
D
D
I
think
in
the
most
recent
version
of
the
legislation
is
clarifications
in
the
section
pertaining
to
leave
policies
already
in
place
by
employers
to
make
it
clear
that
if
an
employer
has
already
adopted
a
covid
19
specific
paid,
sick
leave
policy
that
this
ordinance
and
the
these
80
hours
are
not
on
top
of,
in
addition
to
the
policy
they
might
already
have
in
place.
D
That's
because
there
are
actually
good
employers
that
have
already
done
the
right
thing
in
the
city.
Right,
like
we've
got
employers.
I
know
there
are.
Even
you
know,
there
are
plenty
of
employers
that
have
already
done
the
right
thing
and
decided
that
that
their
employees
should
be
getting
paid
if
they've
got
a
quarantine
because,
let's
face
it,.
D
Might
be
to
have
to
pay
people
when
they're
home
for
a
week
or
two
weeks,
because
they've
got
a
quarantine
due
to
cover
19
illness.
The
burden
for
that
family
for
those
working
people
is
a
whole
lot
greater
we're
talking
about
the
difference
between
making
your
mortgage
payment
or
not,
making
your
rent
payment
or
not
to
go
for
two
weeks
with
no
income
without
planning
for
it
and
to
be
sick
at
the
same
time.
That
is
that
that
is
a
catastrophic
occasion
for
for
most
working
people
in
most
families,
something
that
people
cannot
recover
from.
D
In
many
cases
you
know,
and
so
those
employers
understand
that
you
know
and
the
burden
on
working
people
should
get
at
least
as
much
attention,
I
think,
as
the
burden
on
small
businesses
or
mid-sized
businesses.
Here.
I
Right
and
well
said
sam
and
you
know,
and
I'll
I'll
wrap
it
up
with
me.
I
just
really
want
to
say
first
of
all,
it's
the
message
I
worry
about
not
this
has
a.
J
I
That's
that's
fine
and
good.
You
know
I
do
worry
about.
You
know
attracting
businesses
here
is
pittsburgh,
a
business
friendly
city
or
is
it
not
going
to
be?
You
know
so,
and
it
sends
a
message
while
we,
you
know
kind
of
sway
the
amazons
and
try
to
lay
out
the
red
carpet
for
them
and
offer
them
all
these.
You
know
tax
breaks
and
things
like
that
which
I
agree
with
because
they
bring
jobs
and
jobs
brings.
I
You
know,
economy
and
good
economy
and
a
good
economy
brings
home
buyers
and
home
buyers
are
shopping
in
our
stores
and
you
can
go
on
and
on
so
so
I
don't
disagree
with
that
policy,
but
I
guess
I
was
more
afraid
about
hitting
the
medium-sized
person,
but
I
I'm
starting
to
think
that
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
medium-sized
people.
Here
are
going
to
be
hit.
If
we're
talking
about
upmc-
and
you
know
the
the
four
big
non-profits
are
six
big
non-profits.
I
That
makes
a
big
difference
to
me,
so
you
know
as
much
as
I
care
about
the
economy
here
and
attracting
business.
I
care
more
about
the
people
and
the
people
who
are
working
in
these
buildings
and
you
know
trying
to
make
ends
meet,
and
so
so
I
will
be
supporting
it.
I
will
say,
but
not
without
hesitation.
So
that's.
I
And
thanks
everybody
for
being
here.
A
H
Thank
you
councilwoman.
Thank
you,
mr
madam
president,
so
I
I
wanted
to
just
expand
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
Would
someone
at
the
table
like
to
say
why
there's
this
exemption
for
employers
of
50
employees
and
under
so
that
is
the
text
in
the
language
now,
and
we
did
have
some
discussion
about
that
between
members
who
are
wondering
kind
of?
How
is
how
do
we
choose?
That
point.
H
Is
that
the
right
point
and
I'll
just
fill
in
what
councilman
calco
was
referring
to
that
I
had
some
years
ago,
looked
at
a
listing
of
every
business
in
the
city
with
its
number
of
employees
and
then
you're
kind
of
learned
to
do
in
like
statistics
101,
you
kind
of
just
sort
from
largest
to
smallest
and
you
look
for
the
natural
breaks,
if
you're
doing
a
frequency
distribution
to
see
like
well,
how
many
are
small
and
how
many
are
medium
or
and
where
what
defines
small
and
what
defines
medium-
and
I
I
re
recall
seeing,
but
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me
tonight-
that
there
really
were
a
tremendous
number
of
businesses
under
50
those,
but
a
larger
portion
of
them
larger
than
I
expected
were
sole
proprietors
right.
H
Maybe
people
working
independently
or
they
just
had
like
two
employees.
I
was
really
surprised
by
that
and
then
there
was
kind
of
a
gap
as
you
got
over
50.,
and
so
I'd
like
to
hear
maybe
any
thoughts
there
about.
Why
that
break
point,
and
then
I'd
also
like
to
hear
from
mr
graf.
I
don't
think
you
told
us
how
many
employees
you
do
have,
because
what
I
recall
seeing
was
there
was
a
kind
of
a
gap.
C
I
will
just
answer
the
first
part
quickly
and
then
turn
it
over
to
mr
graf.
We
we
chose
50,
very
simply
because
it
was
the
cut
off
that
the
federal
government
chose
under
the
ff
cra
rca.
I
always
get
the
order
whatever
it
is,
the
federal
bill
the
cutoff
was
was
50
and
so
for
consistency.
Given
that
there
had
been
talk
about
having
a
small
business
exemption
in
most
cities,
most
cities
followed
50,
some
had
different
numbers,
but
almost
every
city
had
a
small
business
exemption
to
it.
C
It
seemed
to
be
prudent
to
be
most
consistent
with
the
federal
bill,
so
it
was
not
based
off
data.
It
was
based
on
federal
consistency,
sure.
H
F
F
J
H
I
I
imagine
like
sofa
if
a
business
has
several
locations,
those
those
are
going
to
add
up,
but
when
I'm
thinking
about
the
little
mainstream
businesses
in
my
district
that
are
just
one
location,
independent,
locally
owned
small
businesses
they're
nowhere
near
you
know,
over
a
hundred
employees
right.
F
Yeah,
I
expect
that
can
be
a
little
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
right
word.
But
you
know
we,
our
four
business
lines
are
broken
up
into
four
different
llc's,
and
so
those
employees
are
all
employees
of
those
llc's
because
we
have
overlapping
ownership.
F
You
know,
for
you
know,
say
obamacare
purposes,
we're
treated
as
a
large
employer
because
we
have
overlapping
ownership.
So
if
you
were
to
go
and
look
at
each
one
of
these
business
lines,
you
know
one
might
have
60
full-time
and
part-time
one
might
have
30,
one
might
have
12.,
you
know,
and
so
breaking
that
down.
You'd
say:
okay!
Well,
that
those
don't
look
like
you
know
very
big
operations
but
conglomerate
them.
F
H
Yes,
and
certainly
some
very
extraordinary
large
employers
who
came,
who
claim
in
the
city
to
have
zero
employees
on
record,
and
so
yes,
but
that
was
a
kind
of
follow-up
question,
I'm
glad
you
reminded
me.
I
was
going
to
ask
how
your
business
was
structured,
because
that
is
a
concern
that
people
would
be
trying
to
disguise
frankly
how
many
employees
they
had
by
using
policies.
What
was
that
acronym
that
you
used
it
on
your
fisk.
H
F
Well,
yeah,
they
all
get
attached
to
schedules
to
our
yeah
to
our
income
tax
statements.
So.
H
Yes,
right
just
to
just
you
know,
just
musing
here,
it's
not
really
relevant
to
my
support
for
the
bill
for
tomorrow,
but
that
there
is
a
probably
also
a
different
sort
of
business
structures
that
we
would
see
if
we
looked
at
small
neighborhood
businesses
versus
large
business
employers
in
the
city.
F
I
I
mean
it
just
depends,
you
know,
so
we,
my
wife
and
I
own
most
of
ours,
so
we're
a
two-member.
H
F
H
Yeah,
okay,
that's
all
those
are
questions
I
was
curious
about.
I
was
just
trying.
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
kind
of
get
a
grip
about
really
what
the
landscape
is
of
businesses
out
there
in
the
city
and
the
more
we
know
the
better
policy
we
can
make
and
then
also
the
kind
of
like
labor
force
structure
like
of
the
people
who
are
city
residents,
who
are
working,
what
kinds
of
employers
are
they
working
at,
so
that
was
my
area
of
interest.
Thank
you
for
your
answers.
You
bet.
A
L
You,
madam
president,
and
thank
you
to
all
of
our
guests
today.
I
I
don't
want
it
to
go
without
saying
that
you
know,
just
as
we
spoke
about
the
paid
sick
leave
bill
as
primarily
a
bill
around
protection
of
health.
This
is
also
about
the
protection
of
health.
I
mean
we're
at
a
crisis
point
in
our
pandemic.
L
People
shouldn't
have
to
choose
between
staying
home
to
and
not
to
quarantine
themselves,
if
necessary,
or
to
care
for
a
sick,
family,
member
or
or
getting
paid.
If
those
are
the
choices,
people
are
probably
going
to
go
to
work
and
try
to
get
paid
unless
they're
sent
home,
and
we
don't
want
people
doing
that.
We
want
all
incentives
out
there
for
them
to
stay
home
and
get
better
and
to
not
further
spread
this
terrible
disease.
L
So
I
just
wanted
to
state
that,
and
you
know
I
agree,
we
want
to
create
a
business
friendly
economy,
but
we
also
want
to
think
create
a
worker
friendly
economy
and
we
want
workers
to
feel
protected
in
their
mind
body
and
spirit,
and
this
is
one
way
to
do
that
in
our
small
way.
L
So
I'm
fully
in
favor
of
it,
I'm
really
happy
that
we're
taking
a
more
surgical
approach
to
it
and
and
looking
at
it-
and
you
know
it's
kudos
to
everyone
in
the
mayor's
office
and
council
members-
who've
been
working
on
it
and
and
others
have
been
at
the
table
to
to
make
the
amendments
necessary
and
propose
those
amendments
to
council
that
I
think,
will
get
us
a
little
bit
more
to
where
everyone
feels
comfortable.
L
I
guess
my
main
question
is
given
that
this,
like
a
lot
of
other
policies
we
pass
is
going
to
be
based
on,
is
going
to
be
complaint
driven,
and
we
have
that.
You
know
that
person
set
up
to
be
able
to
handle
the
enforcement
of
it.
How
are
we
is
there?
Some,
and
this
is
for
chief
gilman.
I
guess,
is
there
some
structured
way
that
we
are
going
to
be
promoting
this
to
all
employers?
C
So
it's
a
really
good
question.
You
know
I'd
certainly
like
to
work
with
council
on
how
to
get
get
the
word
out.
C
You
know
we
have
been
working
with
with
trade
organizations
like
the
you
know,
the
chamber
and
others,
and
the
message
has
gotten
out,
but
unlike
the
the
paid
sick
league,
where
we
were
able
to
build
in
public
comment
periods
and
feedback
and
time
to
to
build
in
rules
and
regs
and
other
things
like
that,
we
obviously
are
in
a
state
of
emergency
where
every
day
matters
and
so
the
the
effort
in
support
of
council
and
structuring
a
way
to
to
get
the
message
out.
We
we
certainly
would
welcome
any
suggestions.
L
I
would
hope
that
it
could
be
a
community
and
collaborative
approach
and
we
don't
have
the
equivalent
of
philadelphia's
labor
and
industry
department,
so
we
have
to
be
a
little
bit
creative,
but
hopefully
with
council
members
and
with
mayor's
office
and
the
power
of
employers
as
well.
We
can
get
the
word
out
and
unions.
L
I
don't
actually
don't
have
any
further
questions,
so
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
A
That
means
council,
chief
of
staff
gilman
and
everyone
involved-
did
a
lot
of
behind
the
scenes.
Work
that
minimized
our
meaning,
the
need
for
our
questions.
So
thank
you,
councilman
wilson,
do
you
have
a
councilman
level
either
of
you
have
a
question.
I.
G
Just
have
one
question,
thank
you,
madam
president.
I
believe
chief
gilman
has
said
it
in
his
opening,
but
the
80
hours
that
is
in
accordance
with
the
cdc
guidelines.
G
C
The
cdc
guidelines
now
is
10
days,
which
is
80
hours,
got.
K
Yes-
and
I
thank
the
time
of
of
everyone
here-
mr
williamson
and
mr
graf
and
chief
gilman
and
and
madam
president
for
putting
this
together,
so
I
really
think
that
this
you
know
is
so
timely.
Obviously
because
of
of
what
people
need
you
know,
hearing
personal
stories
of
people
who
have
been
struggling
during
these
times-
and
you
know
that's
why
I'm
supportive,
but
you
know,
for
the
other
reason
you
know
about
the
health
aspect
and
whether
this
will
really
bring.
K
You
know
moving
in
the
way
of
of
supporting
workers
this
way
and
I'm
appreciative
of
everyone.
That's
worked
towards
this
bill,
so
I
appreciate
you
know
the
comments
made
today
and
you
know
I
don't
have
any
questions.
Some
of
my
were
already
answered,
and
I
appreciate
the
time
everyone
here
thanks.
E
Thank
you,
madam
president,
just
briefly
chief
gilman,
if
there
are
additional,
since
there
will
be
some
additional
minor
technical
amendments,
your
your
forgive
me,
your
plan
for
having
them
to
us
is
later
this
evening
or
more
than
likely
first
thing
tomorrow
morning,.
E
I
Just
I'll
be
real
real
brief
to
erica's
point
yes
erica,
you
know
what
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
I
failed
to
mention
that,
but
that
did
play
in
my
decision
to
support
this
big
time.
It
really
does
because
I
know
if
I
were,
you
know,
positive
tested,
positive
and
I
were
broke
and
I
were
physically.
You
know
just
not
as
ill
with
some
get.
Then
I
would
go
to
work
so
so
you
know
what
that's
definitely
and
I
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
you
for
that.
I
agree
with
that.
100.
I
The
other
thing
was
john.
You
talked
about
a
tax
credit
that
the
businesses
may
get.
F
Oh,
the
tax
credit
yeah,
that's
with
the
federal
paid
leave
mandate.
They
have
the
ability
to
offer
credits
just
like
they
can
print
money
and
shut.
I
F
I
think
it's
something
that
probably
everybody
can
agree
with
is
that
this
is
a.
It
is
a
problem
that
begs
for
a
federal
solution,
because
the
federal
government
solely
has
the
ability
to
make
the
employers
fall,
and
even
though
it
may
create
some
cash
flow
issues
immediately.
You
know.
D
F
On
the
back
end,
that
you'll
be
made
whole.
So
that's
that's
to
me.
That's
the
solution,
and
hopefully
we
will
get
something
like
that
that
will,
you
know,
mirror
this
current
legislation
and
we
can
all
move
forward.
Oh.
I
I
I
agree.
That
sounds
like
a
good
idea
and
the
last
and
final
thing
is:
can
I
get
a
percentage
by
anybody
want
to
take
a
guess
how
many
come
from
the
non-profits
workers
that
would
be
affected
versus
ones
that
are,
you
know,
working
in
some
machine
shop.
C
D
How
about
this
one
last
question
tell
you
just
for
my
from
our
my
union.
You
know
limited
experience.
The
university
of
pittsburgh
duquesne
university
cmu
that
they've
they've
all
already
adopted
policies
that'll
end
up
being
redundant
with
this
ordinance,
while
private
sector
multinational
corporations,
like
I
won't
name
them
to
put
them
on
the
spot.
But
you
can
probably
name
one
or
two
yourselves
have
have
done
nothing
of
the
like
right.
I
One
last
question:
do
you
does
anybody
know
this?
The
people
who
employ
our
security,
saint
maritz,
I
believe
it
is,
are
they
do
they
have
50
plus
employees?
Are
they
somebody
who
is
affected
by
this.
D
I
A
M
M
I
was
in
favor
of
this
from
the
beginning-
I
am
you
know
a
staunch
supporter
of
workers,
particularly
those
who
are,
are
unionized
and
at
the
lower
end
of
the
spectrum
in
terms
of
wages,
and
so
we
are
in
that
time
of
our
country
where
this
is
that
pivotal
moment,
and
we
must
do
everything
we
can
to
protect
workers,
protect
the
health
and,
as
a
city
collectively
do
those
things
we
can
in
unison
to
move
our
city
forward.
A
C
I
just
want
to
thank
council
members,
many
of
our
labor
organizations
and
many
of
our
business
community.
I
think
we
we
have
a
bill
that
will
be
in
front
of
you
tomorrow
for
final
action.
That
does
everything
people
talk
about.
It
puts
the
public
health
first,
it
protects
workers
and
it's
a
bill
that
can
support
business
and
help
everyone
get
through
this
together.
The
bill
was
made
stronger
by
conversation
and
compromise
and
working
together.
So
I
appreciate
everyone's
involvement
and
engagement
in
this.
C
None
of
this
is
easy
and
everything
is
rushed
and
crazy
during
this
unprecedented
time,
but-
and
I
will
just
say-
I
agree
with
mr
graph
100-
this
would
be
all
better
solved
at
the
federal
level,
like
so
many
other
things,
but
we
have
people
struggling
while
the
federal
government
takes
no
action,
and
this
is
an
important
step
to
literally
save
lives
that
we
can
take
together.
A
Yes-
and
I
do
want
to
say
just
to
that-
I
want
to
say
that
our
local
congressmen
have
been
very
helpful.
Congressman
doyle
has
been
very
helpful
to
us.
I
just
want
to
say
that
on
the
federal
route
he's
he's
a
one
man
he's,
he
can't
be
a
one-man
man,
I'm
sorry
now,
sam
williamson,
do
you
have
any
final
comments.
D
Just
to
say
thank
you,
thanks
to
chief
gilman
and
mayor
peduto,
for
making
this
a
priority
and
crafting
a
bill
that
is,
as
you
said,
gonna
protect
the
public,
health
and
and
workers,
and
thanks
to
all
of
you
for
the
great
questions
and
for
for
having
me
here
and
for
you
know,
for
for
making
working
people
like
our
members
across
the
city
a
priority
of
yours,
every
single
one
of
you
really
appreciate
it.
F
I
I
do
not.
I
do
echo
mr
williamson
thanking
you
for
giving
me
your
time
and
attention
at
this
proceedings.
A
Thank
you-
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
being
here,
especially
during
the
steeler
game.
I
apologize
for
the
timing,
but
I
I
just
want
to
end
it
with.
A
I
hope
that
I
had
this
conversation
with
chief
of
staff
gilman
and
with
people
from
various
businesses
and
with
sam
williamson
is
that
I
wish
that
you
would
meet
more
often
together
to
work
through
some
concerns
before
it
gets
to
a
point
where
there's
legislation
or
other
things
that
we
can
work
through
concerns,
because
it's
in
everybody's
best
interest
for
us
all
to
have
a
good,
healthy
workforce,
and
that
feels
valued
and
that's
internally
I
mean
that's
the
same
with
the
city
and
it's
the
same
with
with
outside.
A
We
want
people
to
feel
valued
and
we
know
that
they
will
produce
more
and
do
better
if
they
feel
that
way
and
if
they
can
and
don't
have
this,
the
the
concerns
of
worrying
about
their
health
and
their
families,
and
things
like
that,
so
it'd
be
nice
to
see
you
working
on
a
maybe
a
quarterly
basis,
meeting
more
frequently,
the
allegheny
conference
and
the
unions
more
often
to
work
through
this
stuff,
so
that
government
doesn't
have
to
get
involved
that
we
see
that
you're
working
through
things
yourselves.
A
So
I
hope
that
those
meetings
are
going
to
be
scheduled.
I've
talked
with
everybody.
I
think
that
they're
going
to
be
and
if
not
council
will
try
to
do
our
best
to
bring
everyone
together
ourselves.
But
with
that
second,
I
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
the
meeting
so.