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A
A
B
B
Thank
you
for
the
record.
We
are
joined
today
by
council
members,
reverend
burgess
councilwoman
gross
councilman,
councilwoman,
strasberger
and
councilman
wilson,
and
if
we
have
other
members
joining
us,
we'll
let
you
know
we
will
now
move
on
to
testimony
from
our
registered
speakers.
Please
give
your
name
and
neighborhood
for
the
public
record.
B
B
Please
be
reminded
that
this
is
the
an
opportunity
for
the
community
to
speak
directly
to
council,
about
issues
at
hand
and
at
a
time
for
council
to
listen.
Therefore,
council
will
not
be
responding
to
individual
comments
during
during
the
public
comment,
but
we
may
speak
after
the
hearing
to
make
a
few
comments,
and
I
will
say
this
is
the
third
of
our
three
public
hearings
regarding
policing
and
we
had
one
post
agenda
and
we
have
a
second
post
agenda
scheduled
on
monday,
and
so
we
hope
by
the
time.
B
This
is
all
over
where
we
all
are
very
well
informed
and
make
some
decisions
that
make
everyone
live,
peacefully,
co-exist
and
and
live
in
a
in
a
better
pittsburgh.
So
with
that
said
well,
let
me
with
our
first
speaker,
laura
perkins.
Please
come
to
the
mic
hi.
Can
you
hear
me
yes
good
evening,
thanks
for
joining
us
good.
D
D
I've
been
a
legal
observer
in
pittsburgh
for
over
a
year.
Now,
before
that,
before
I
lived
in
pittsburgh,
I
was
a
human
rights
observer
in
honduras,
where
unidentified
police
and
military
would
shoot.
Tear
gas
canisters
straight
into
people's
faces
recorded
peaceful
protesters
faces
in
order
to
later
serve
them
with
bogus
charges
where
snipers
would
be
on
top
of
buildings
as
peaceful
protesters
marched
by
and
where
politicians
would
deny
that
these
things
ever
happened.
I
also
obser,
as
I
observed
these
things
in
honduras.
D
D
D
If
our
people
are
picked
up
by
police
or
immigration,
I'm
there
day
and
night
to
provide
support,
I
see
your
undocumented
community
be
put
in
allegheny
county
jail
for
minimal
charges
and
get
handed
over
to
immigration
where
they
sit
in
detention
for
months
all
in
a
rehab
program
and
counseling
would
have
sufficed.
Why
is
it
that
I
have
to
be
on
call
for
24
7
to
protect
our
community
from
the
people
that
are
supposed
to
be
protecting
them,
providing
language
access
that
they
should
be
providing
doing
community
work?
That
is
proven
to
make
communities
safer?
D
I'm
speaking
about
undocumented
folks,
because
that
is
the
community
I
work
with,
but
it
is
our
black
brothers
and
sisters,
our
trans,
non-binary,
queer,
disabled
and
homeless,
brothers
and
sisters
that
are
disproportionately
targeted
by
pittsburgh
police.
The
police,
whose
union
covers
up
murders
and
domestic
violence
like
it's
their
job,
social
workers,
school
counselors,
court
advocates
and
teachers.
We
are
doing
the
work
of
the
government
fund
us.
I
don't
know
of
any
social
workers
that
have
shot
an
unarmed
teenager
dead,
though
we
have
been
in
comparable,
comparably
dangerous
situations.
D
Regarding
the
proposal,
stop
the
violence
fund,
five
and
ten
percent
of
a
policing
budget
is
a
joke.
Think
of
all
the
lives
that
have
been
lost
by
suicide
at
allegheny
county
jail
unnecessarily.
Are
you
telling
me
that
five
percent
of
the
budget
will
fix
this
when
we
say
defund
the
police
and
invest
in
black
communities?
This
is
not
even
close
to
what
we
are
talking
about.
Lastly,
there
is
a
clear
issue
with
budget
transparency
in
pittsburgh.
D
We
may
we
need
many
more
community
input.
Hearings
like
these,
where
the
public
can
examine
the
capital
and
operating
budgets
and
have
real
conversations
about
priorities
and
racial
justice
and
equity
in
that
in
the
real
case,
relocation
of
funds.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
I
look
forward
to
discussing
these
issues
further
at
similar
events.
B
F
Greetings
of
peace.
My
title
is:
ikahana
hal
makina,
the
grand
inca
of
the
interclock
confederacy
of
aboriginal
american
people,
and
for
those
of
you
who
are
not
familiar
with
the
aborigines,
we
are
the
indians.
The
indigenous
people
of
the
americas
and
justice
in
america
will
not
be
served
until
honor
and
respect
is
given
to
us
aboriginal
indigenous
people
of
the
americas.
F
F
Okay.
Until
we
start
talking
about
that
and
putting
that
on
the
agenda
reappropriating
land
back
to
the
indigenous
people
of
america,
you
will
continue
to
have
these
same
problems.
These
same
deals
will
be
repeated
and
continuously
repeated
until
the
honor
and
respect
is
given
to
the
indigenous
people
of
america,
and
so
I
stand
firm
in
stating
to
you
just
as
eloquently
as
the
folly
of
colonization
written
by
frederick
douglass
in
1894.
F
The
earth
will
shudder
until
respect
is
given
to
the
indigenous
people
of
america,
and
I
urge
you
to
put
that
on
your
agenda,
because
only
when
you
deal
with
all
of
the
dirty
history
that
america
has,
will
you
be
able
to
fix
a
lot
of
the
problems
that
exist
not
only
in
pittsburgh,
but
throughout
this
nation
we
will
not
go
away.
We
will
not
be
silent
anymore.
G
Hello,
oh,
can
you
hear
me.
G
G
The
police,
who
actively
worked
with
and
had
deep
intertwined
networks
with
the
kkk,
the
police,
who
continued
to
target
and
killer
black
community
members
all
across
the
country
in
almost
every
single
city.
How
is
it
that
the
city
wants
to
think
of
themselves
as
progressive
current
that
that
the
city
that
thinks
of
themselves
as
progressive
currently
allocates
almost
20
percent
of
our
operating
budget
to
that
body
of
people?
How
is
it
that
we
continue
to
have
leaders
talk
about
the
police
with
that
history
with
those
roots
as
protectors
of
our
community?
G
Our
city
continues
to
be
ranked
the
worst
place
to
live
for
black
women
in
the
country
covered
in
national
newspapers.
While
we
watch
a
lot
of
our
local
elected
officials
post
and
brag
about
how
we're
drawing
in
tech
companies
before
posting
about
how
we're
pushing
out
long-time
black
residents,
we
need
to
root
out
the
rot
from
its
core
and
to
be
creative
and
widen
our
horizons
about
what
we
can
create
in
its
place.
G
My
urge
is,
for
you
all
to
think
more
creatively
and
radically,
when
you're
thinking
right
now
the
stop
the
violence
fund,
it's
a
start
but
5
to
10
cut
where
the
community
doesn't
even
have
a
say
of
where
that's
going
to
be
invested.
Isn't
it
it
needs
to
go
to
housing,
living
wage
jobs,
education,
health
care
and
other
measures
that
ensure
a
dignified
life
for
every
single
resident?
The
hiring
freeze
is
important.
Duty
to
intervene
is
important.
G
H
There
I'm
here
good
evening,
thank
you
so
much
for
holding
this
public
hearing.
My
name
is
dawn
plummer,
I'm
a
resident
of
point
breweries.
H
I
serve
as
the
executive
director
of
the
pittsburgh
food
policy
council
whose
office
is
in
garfield
today.
I
wanted
to
share
testimony
on
behalf
of
over
100
food,
public
health
and
farm
stakeholders
throughout
our
region,
who
come
together
through
the
food
policy
council
to
build
a
just,
equitable
and
sustainable
food
system.
For
all,
you
might
wonder
what
policing
has
to
do
with
food
systems
for
the
pittsburgh
food
policy.
H
Council
defunding
police
presents
an
opportunity
to
invest
in
more
of
our
cities
more
of
our
city's
capital
and
operating
budgets
into
communities
that
have
suffered
historic
disinvestment,
particularly
our
city's
black
communities.
Many
of
these
communities
are
also
impacted
by
food
apartheid,
meaning
that
whole
communities
are
geographically
and
economically
isolated
from
healthy
food
options.
Communities
need
investments
and
basic
needs
that
ensure
a
dignified
life
for
every
resident
that
includes
homes,
living
wage
jobs,
education,
community,
centers
and
transportation.
H
This
also
includes
investments
in
our
city's
food
environment
and
food
infrastructure.
Defunding.
The
police
means
that
we
try
to.
We
stop
trying
to
manage
problems
of
poverty
through
policing,
but
rather
move
swiftly
to
end
it.
We
must
reimagine
what
we
need
but
mean
by
public
safety.
We
must
ask
ourselves
what
what
do
I
need
to
feel
safe
and
then
structure
our
budgets
and
invest
in
our
communities.
H
Accordingly,
members
of
our
food
policy
council
are
leading
efforts
across
pittsburgh
in
the
region
to
launch
and
sustain
food
businesses,
grow
community,
gardens
steward
vacant
lots
and
build
urban
farms.
They
teach
our
young
people
where
food
comes
from
and
what
it
means
to
be
equipped
with
the
tools
to
feed
ourselves.
H
Our
members
rescue
food
waste
and
serve
nutritious
meals
to
kids,
families
and
seniors
who
rely
on
them.
Each
of
these
pieces
of
our
city's
food
infrastructure
would
benefit
from
increased
public
investment
as
life-sustaining
essential
workers.
We
also
know
that
many
of
our
pfpc
members
and
neighbors
will
increasingly
face
the
crushing
impact
of
the
pandemic
on
our
health,
jobs,
families
and
businesses.
H
They
need
this
investment
today,
not
down
the
road.
The
pfpc
recently
concluded
a
two-year
greater
pittsburgh
food
action
plan
project
which
outlines
outlines
150
different
strategies,
many
of
which
require
some
form
of
public
investment
from
local
state
and
federal
government
that
will
deliver
on
the
human
right
to
food
in
pittsburgh.
The
time
to
act
is
now.
H
We
call
on
the
administration
and
city
council
to
work
diligently
to
increase
transparency
and
community
collaboration
through
hearings,
just
like
this,
where
the
public
can
look
closely
at
budgets
and
have
real
conversations
about
spending
priorities
and
racial
equity
in
the
reallocation
of
our
city's
funds.
The
pfpc
is
committed
to
this
work
and
looks
forward
to
working
with
local
government
and
you
all
to
guarantee
that
our
public
budget
budgets
meet
the
pressing
needs
of
our
residents
and
invest
in
our
collective
future
in
a
positive
way.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
attention.
H
B
B
B
I
Fine,
my
name
is
kate
fasell
and
I
live
in
regent
square
15221.
I
am
asking
you
today
to
deeply
reimagine
community
security
in
pittsburgh.
A
truly
inclusive
safety
system
will
significantly
revise
the
culture
structure
and
financing
of
the
police
department.
It
will
see
every
9-1-1
call
as
first
a
medical,
mental
health
or
social
crisis,
not
a
law
enforcement
problem.
It
will
recognize
the
root
causes
of
social
breakdown
and
invest
in
black
minority
and
underserved
communities.
It
will
make
this
a
safe
and
livable
city
for
everyone.
I
The
severe
injustices
and
current
policing
are
getting
personal.
For
me.
My
nephew
graduated
from
the
baltimore
school
for
the
arts
on
june
28,
his
high
school
classmate
jade
cothy,
died
in
west
palm
beach.
Florida
jade
was
of
african-american
latinx
descent.
She
had
a
medical
emergency
due
to
a
drug
overdose.
I
When
the
police
arrived,
they
allegedly
did
not
administer
narcan
and
did
not
expedite
transportable
hospital.
Instead,
they
questioned
her
racial
identity.
Yanked
her
from
her
vehicle
hitting
her
head
on
the
ground
and
blocked
neighbors
from
transporting
her
to
the
hospital
jade
died
on
the
ground
at
some
point.
After
her
death
officers
alleged
to
have
lifted
her
shirt
and
made
a
lewd
comment,
my
nephew
and
his
friends
are
grieving.
The
tragic,
unjust
death
of
their
classmate
as
a
person
of
color,
my
nephew
no
longer
feels
it
is
safe
to
call
9-1-1.
I
You
may
say
that
was
west
palm
beach,
not
pittsburgh,
but
you
would
be
mistaken.
It
is
florida
in
baltimore
it
is
pittsburgh.
It
is
minneapolis
cleveland,
texas,
st
louis
new
york,
louisville
los
angeles.
It
is
my
family,
it
is
america,
but
the
piece
we
get
to
fix
is
pittsburgh,
whose
city
our
city,
whose
responsibility
our
responsibility.
I
50
years
ago,
the
black
community
in
pittsburgh
had
the
genius
and
need
to
create
one
of
the
first
ambulance
services
in
this
country.
I
am
calling
on
you
to
follow
that
example
and
create
a
new
emergency
response
system
in
pittsburgh,
specifically
more
than
duty
to
intervene,
laws
eradicate
the
need
to
intervene
in
the
actions
of
the
pittsburgh
police
officer
to
increase
black
and
minority
enrollment
in
the
police
force,
revisit
the
residency
requirement
and
best
in
city
schools,
so
that
city
employees
want
to
live
in
pittsburgh.
I
Get
the
data
on
police
firearm
discharge
stops
and
use
a
physical
force,
use
that
data
to
investigate
patterns
of
racial
discrimination
and
eliminate
them
stop
the
militarization
of
the
police
force
by
restricting
the
purchase
of
military
equipment,
give
emergency
medical
personnel
incident
commander
status
and
legal
jurisdiction
and
life-threatening
medical
emergencies
prioritize
and
fully
fund
youth
diversion
programs
to
break
the
school-to-prison
pipeline
as
city
council
members,
I
feel
you
have
the
power
and
the
moral
responsibility
to
correct
the
deeply
flawed
public
safety
system.
I
urge
you
to
act
before
our
hearts
are
broken
again.
Thank
you.
J
J
My
name
is
daniel
sun.
I
use
they
them
pronouns.
I
live
in
bloomfield
and
I
demand
that
we
defund
the
police
and
that
we
stop
the
station.
The
police
budget
has
increased
every
year
for
the
last
five
years
under
peduto's
administration.
It
is
now
115
million
dollars
in
2014
it
was
76
million
dollars.
It
is
now
115
million
dollars,
it
is
a
50
increase
and
it
is
unacceptable.
The
city
of
pittsburgh
does
not
have
a
shortage
of
police.
J
J
If
you
compare
these
numbers
to
the
housing
opportunity
fund,
that
gets
10
million
dollars
a
year
in
2016.
The
affordable
housing
task
force
was
reported
that
the
city
of
pittsburgh
has
an
affordability
gap
of
17,
000
plus
units
per
household
earning
50
of
the
city's
median
household
income.
So
we
have
a
shortage
in
housing.
J
We
do
not
have
a
shortage
in
policing,
yet
we
still
think
it's
good
idea
to
give
115
million
dollars
police
10
times
more
than
we're
putting
in
the
affordable
housing
fund
a
year
think
about
what
we
can
do
with
115
million
dollars.
If
we
built
affordable
homes,
do
you
think
that
everyone
might
be
better
off?
J
Do
you
think
that
we
might
be
better
off
if
we
put
a
115
million
dollars
into
the
hands
of
black
people,
black
children,
black
disabled
people,
black
poor
people,
black
trans
people,
black
parents,
black
teachers
and
so
on,
and
so
on?
We
can
even
use
this
money
thanks
to
testimony
from
an
earlier
person
to
give
indigenous
lands
back.
That
sounds
like
a
great
idea
to
me
too,
and
now
the
city
wants
to
use
this
bloated
public
safety
budget
to
renovate
the
zone
5
fire
station
into
a
public
safety
station
in
east
liberty.
J
Why?
Why
do
we
need
more
cops
and
he's
liberty
was
gentrification
just
not
enough.
Now
you
want
to
use
police
violence
and
incarceration
to
tear
black
people
out
of
there.
You
want
to
build
a
police
station
right
next
to
the
site
of
penn,
plaza
and
burgess.
I
know
you're
listening,
so
you
need
to
do
something
about
this.
J
Tell
me
how
ignorant
and
negligent
you
have
to
be
to
think
that
this
is
a
good
idea
and
tell
me
how
hateful
you
have
to
be
to
tell
the
press
that
you're
thinking
about
it,
like
peduto,
did
last
monday.
Meanwhile,
we
know
that
there
is
an
rfp
submission
deadline
for
this
station
project
and
it
has
already
passed.
People
have
already
applied
for
this
money
so
but
it's
just
trying
to
hide
it.
I
just
demand
we
stop
the
station.
J
K
B
L
How
are
you
hi?
Thank
you
all
right,
hello,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today
at
this
hearing.
My.
M
L
L
I've
lived
in
pittsburgh
for
several
years
and
will
continue
to
live
here
for
the
foreseeable
future,
as
I
complete
my
degree,
though
I've
never
s
before
spoken
at
hearings
like
this,
given
the
recent
outcry
for
police
reform
following
the
public
murder
of
george
floyd
and
as
a
future
pittsburgh
trained
physician,
I
feel
compelled
to
speak
today
and
to
add
my
voice
to
the
vast
number
of
other
voices
in
both
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
the
country
to
employ
my
legislators
and
representatives
to
begin
taking
measures
to
not
only
address
police
reform,
but
to
also
create
systems
in
the
city
that
are
transparent
and
directly
benefit
the
health
and
safety
of
fellow
pittsburghers,
especially
those
who
have
been
historically
marginalized.
L
To
that
to
that
end,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
budget.
This
year
the
pittsburgh
operating
budget
was
approximately
608
million
dollars.
The
bureau
of
police
was
allocated
18.9
percent
of
that
budget
and,
as
the
previous
person
mentioned,
that
is
115
million
dollars.
This
is
the
second
highest
allocation
in
the
operating
budget,
followed
only
by
the
department
of
finance
the
money
allocated
to
the
offices
of
environmental
services,
equity
operations,
emergency
medical
services,
mobility
and
infrastructure,
and
public
safety
combined.
L
Do
not
equal
the
amount
of
money
allocated
to
the
bureau
of
police
and
the
operating
budget
will
prioritizing
law
enforcement
over
all
of
these
other
departments
in
the
budget
improve
the
health
and
safety
of
pittsburgh
residents.
I'm
not
convinced.
I
also
want
to
point
out
that,
unlike
the
city
capital
budget,
there
do
not
seem
to
be
regularly
scheduled
public
forums
on
the
city's
operating
budget.
I
will
not
pretend
to
understand
the
minutia
of
politics
and
budget
creation
in
pittsburgh.
I'll
gladly
leave
that
to
those
who
are
more
qualified
and
experienced.
L
Let's
work
to
make
pittsburgh
better
by
creating
budgets
that
reflect
our
actual
priorities,
so
I
ask
two
things:
first,
that
our
priority
not
simply
be
reforming
the
police,
but
rather
addressing
the
basic
needs
of
the
city
of
the
city,
especially
those
of
historically
marginalized
groups,
by
funding
departments
that
can
actually
address
them
as
a
future
medical
professional.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
city
that
trains
me
is
also
fully
protecting
to
the
best
of
its
ability,
the
public
health
interests
of
all
of
its
residents.
N
L
O
Good
evening
my
name
is
dr
kimberly
ellis
and
I'm
a
proud
resident
of
the
historic
hill
district
and
I'm
a
special
faculty
at
carnegie
mellon
university.
I'm
also
the
founder
of
the
historic
hill
institute
for
the
historic
preservation
of
our
neighborhood,
for
this
particular
set
of
legislation,
I'm
against
passing
it
because
the
amount
is
far
too
low
and
five
years
of
implementation
for
such
a
low
amount
is
far
too
long.
We
need
to
be
really
serious
about
discussing
defending
defunding
the
police
and
reimagining
public
safety.
O
I
would
like
for
you
all
to
review
the
budget
pittsburgh's
budget
from
before
the
police
purchased
armored
vehicles,
flash
bomb,
grenades
and
eliminate
that
amount
and
prevent
any
further
purchases
of
military
equipment
from
the
1033
defense
department
program,
which
sent
over
seven
billion
dollars
worth
of
excess
military
equipment
to
over
8
000
local
law
enforcement
enforcement
agencies,
we're
not
at
war
against
our
own
citizens
and
regular
police
equipment
can
do.
O
Further,
the
fbi
released
a
study
showcasing
that
white
supremacists
had
infiltrated
police
departments
across
the
country.
Pittsburgh
needs
to
investigate
and
review
the
history
of
their
officers
and
have
immediate
dismissal
for
any
ties
to
a
white
supremacist
organization
from
membership
to
close
affiliation.
O
And
finally,
I
had
a
quick
conversation
with
some
police
officers,
as
I
was
setting
up
food
distribution
for
operation
drive
of
food
drop
around
the
city,
and
I
was
specifically
thanked
for
the
work
that
I
thought
was
obvious,
but
even
one
commander
said
that
the
food
was
really
needed
in
the
community
without
him
needing
to
say
it.
I
knew
and
he
knew
that
he
meant
that
the
allocation
of
food
resources
was
in
and
of
itself
a
form
of
crime
prevention.
O
So
it's
really
important
for
us
to
take
a
serious
look
at
this
historical
moment
and
to
defund
major
levels
of
the
police
immediately,
especially
those
that
had
already
been
inflated
from
years
ago,
and
we
need
to
reallocate
resources
to
food,
housing,
shelter
and
our
education.
Thank
you
so
much
thank.
B
You
kimberly
ellis.
What
do
we
have
dina
stanley.
F
P
Okay,
hi
I'm
dina
stanley.
I
am
a
resident
of
the
north
side,
I'm
the
founder
of
transuniting.
It's
a
translator
organization
here
in
pittsburgh,
I'm
also
a
business
owner.
I
have
a
catering
company
maddie
sweets.
P
P
P
P
The
money
needs
to
go
to
homeless,
shelters
and
building
economic
wealth
in
our
community
in
our
black
communities,
and
it's
shame
on
every
black
person
on
this
council,
because
you
know
how
hard
it
is
as
a
black
person.
You
know,
and
you
sit
here
and
you
let
these
folks
run
through
us
like
we
are
nothing.
P
P
B
Q
Yes,
good
evening,
I'm
a
resident
of
squirrel
hill
and
a
congregant
at
sixth
presbyterian
church
on
the
corner
of
forbes
and
murray.
I'm
also
a
professor
at
the
university
of
pittsburgh
school
of
law,
where
I
served
as
dean
from
2005
to
2012..
Q
Q
So
I'm
here
to
speak
strongly
in
favor
of
prohibiting
the
city's
acquisition
of
military
equipment
or
weaponry.
Our
neighborhoods
are
not
war
zones
and
police
officers
should
not
be
treating
our
people
like
wartime
enemies,
further
militarization
of
our
police
forces.
The
very
last
thing
we
need
to
make
our
community
more
just
and
therefore
more
peaceful.
Q
I
also
want
to
address
the
proposed
the
proposed
stop:
the
violence
fund.
It's
a
start,
but,
as
others
have
said,
it's
not
enough,
we
need
to
be
think
bigger
and
faster.
Ten
percent
is
not
enough,
and
five
years
is
too
long.
Council
has
already
enacted
an
ordinance
declaring
racism
to
be
a
public
health
threat
in
pittsburgh,
but
framing
the
current
effort
as
stopping
the
violence
does
not
reflect
a
public
health
approach.
Neighborhood
violence
is
a
symptom
of
the
deeper
pathology
of
structural
racism
in
pittsburgh.
Q
A
public
health
approach
would
focus
directly
on
the
root
causes
of
that
pathology
by
investing
in
education,
living
wage
jobs,
affordable
housing
and
equitable
health
care.
Investments
in
economic
justice
are
anti-violence
measures.
This
week,
we've
been
mourning
the
passing
of
john
lewis.
One
of
this
fearless
and
faithful
man's
most
memorable
quotes
from
was
was
from
his
speech
at
the
1963
march
on
washington
when
he
said
to
those
who
have
said
be
patient
and
wait.
We
have
long
said
that
we
cannot
be
patient.
We
do
not
want
our
freedom
gradually.
We
want
to
be
free
now.
Q
F
Good
evening
city,
council
representatives,
my
name
is
gabrielle
gray,
district
9
home
with
russian
community.
I
pray
everyone
is
safe
and
in
good
health.
It
is
my
concern
that
council
is
pouring
unnecessary
funds
into
public
safety
to
remedy
issues
that
are
systemic
of
core
resident
education,
lack
of
communication
and
a
need
for
more
transparent
and
accountable
leadership.
F
Recently,
council
authorized
the
city
controller
to
transfer
250
thousand
dollars
from
the
pittsburgh
police
budget
to
the
stop
the
violence
fund
that
I
am
glad
has
been
held
for
further
discussion.
However,
I
want
to
address
the
resolution.
Council
unanimously
authorized
to
accept
a
100
000
grant
from
the
hillman
foundation
to
fund
pittsburgh's
group
violence
intervention
program
provided
by
police
in
operation
better
block
in
homewood.
F
Regarding
the
hillman-funded
group
violence
intervention
program,
I
have
many
questions
before
implementing
what
appears
to
be
a
police-driven
strategy
throughout
a
city
that
is
currently
experiencing
strained
resident
police
relations,
because
there
has
been
a
severe
lack
of
communication,
transparency
and
engagement
with
pittsburgh
residents.
Regarding
the
implementation
of
the
gvi
strategy,
I
would
feel
comfortable
if
I
had
more
information
on
the
program.
F
I
found
in
brief
that
the
aim
of
gvi
is
to
reduce
peer
dynamics
in
the
group
that
promote
violence
by
creating
collective
accountability,
to
foster
internal
social
pressure
that
deters
violence,
to
establish
clear
community
standards
against
violence,
to
offer
group
members
an
honorable
exit
from
committing
acts
of
violence.
It
is
my
large
concern
that
gvi
is
a
re-engineered
form
of
racial
profiling
that
does
not
need
to
be
reintroduced
into
our
community.
F
Racial
profiling
is
a
toxic
public
safety
strategy
that
has
been
the
largest
contributor
to
the
violent
resident
police
relations
we
are
experiencing
today.
The
unseen
psychological
and
socio-economic
impacts
of
reintroducing
racial
profiling
through
gdi
strategies
will
have
severe
impacts
on
our
communities,
in
particular
predominantly
low-income
and
minority
communities
within
the
city
of
pittsburgh
that
will
be
greater
or
that
will
result
in
greater
violence
than
the
city
has
ever
experienced
before.
F
F
Experience
being
made
available
to
residents,
I
am
also
concerned
that
operation
better
block
has
been
selected
not
by
residents
yet
by
city
council
as
the
most
qualified
organizational
candidate
to
implement
gbi
strategies
throughout
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
and
I'm
presuming
the
pilot
program
will
be
in
the
home
with
russian
community,
since
that
is
where
operation
better
block
is.
There
are
too
many
questions
about
gvi
that
remain
unanswered
to
the
community
and
myself.
N
B
M
M
That
I'm
sure
that
you
have
been
hearing
as
well.
Sorry,
I
didn't
say.
C
K
K
M
M
Council
member
coghill
wants
to
have
an
ongoing
dialogue
and
discussion
with
police,
but
something
that
I
was
particularly
drawn
to
was
what
council
member
strasberger
was
talking
about
in
terms
of
carrying
this
energy.
All
of
this
information
what
has
been
brought
to
the
council
in
terms
of
actual
budgeting?
The
budget
should
be
informed
by
evidence-based
decisions
first
and
foremost,
and
there
should
be
a
lot
of
clarity
and
input
from
the
community
at
the
same
level
that
has
been
occurring
for
these
conversations
about
police,
budgeting
reforms
and
so
forth.
M
But
again,
I
would
like
to
reiterate
that
we
need
to
address
these
issues
where
they
stem
from
adding
more
police
to
communities,
doesn't
reduce
crime.
It
just
increases
the
criminalization
and
issues
relating
to
police
brutality.
The
evidence
has
been
made
very
clear,
thus
far,
that
what
we
need
to
do
is
invest
more
in
our
social
services
and
work
together
as
a
community
to
address
issues
of
poverty,
to
address
issues
of
violence
and
so
forth,
where
they
come
from.
Aristotle
have
remarked
once
that
poverty
is
the
parent
of
revolution
and
crime.
S
Yes,
my
name
is
nikki
jo
hi.
Yes,
I'm
currently
in
the
beach
view
area
where
I
learned
councilman
coghill
is
from
and
has
recently
brought
up,
bought
up
some
properties
on
broadway
I
tried
to
beautify
the
neighborhood.
That's
another
thing
that
I
think
we
can
use
with
the
reallocation
of
these
police
funds.
Instead
of
continuing
to
send
money.
What
I
learned
today,
115
million
dollars
to
the
police
budget
for
military
artillery
to
use
against
peaceful
protesters.
S
We
can
reallocate
that
fund
back
into
neighborhoods
of
diversity
and
reverse
the
effects
of
gentrification
that
have
rampaged
this
entire
city.
I
do
want
to
go
and
take
a
look
at
a
couple
of
the
items
that
you
guys
are
taking
note
of
the
stop.
The
violence
fund,
the
10
five
years.
I
mean
it's
really
just
a
slap
in
the
face.
S
If
any
more
money
goes
into
them,
it
essentially
will
wipe
out
the
remaining
black
and
people
of
color
living
in
this
city
through
gentrification,
through
police
brutality
through
unwarranted
arrests
through
no
knock
arrest
through
all
types
of
destabilization,
efforts
that
have
been
thwarted
upon
us
not
just
recently,
but
over
the
past
400
years
in
this
country.
I
feel
like
it's
time
for
a
pittsburgh
city
council,
specifically
to
not
pass
this
bill.
S
S
B
It
was
the
time
up,
I
guess
rachel
williams,.
T
Hello
good
evening,
thank
you
so
much
for
hearing
me
this
evening,
I'm
a
resident
of
the
friendship
area
so
hi
deborah
gross.
This
is
wonderful
to
see
you.
I
really
thank
you
all
for
being
here
just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
background.
I'm
a
licensed
professional
counselor
in
the
state
of
pennsylvania.
T
I
got
my
graduate
degree
at
carlow
university,
and
so
I
am
a
proud
resident
of
being
in
pittsburgh.
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
situation
with
police
violence,
that's
occurring
in
our
country.
We
have
a
long
history
of
systemic
racism
that
has
led
to
this
situation,
but
I
wanted
to
get
to
some
of
the
key
points
of
why
we're
here
today
and
to
represent
using
my
voice
that
I
stand
with
you
know.
The
ten
percent
of
the
police
budget
being
reallocated
to
community
funding
is
not
enough
using
a
timeline
of
five
years.
T
For
that
allocation
is
way
too
long.
We
need
to
invest
in
our
communities
and
we
need
to
invest
in
programs
that
provide
food
access
to
jobs,
transportation.
We
know
all
of
these
things
as
a
licensed
professional
counselor.
I
have
a
lot
of
training
in
human
behavior
and
I'm
also
well
experienced
in
the
phrase
of
bias.
T
If
all
of
the
council
people
have
not
done
some
experience
in
their
bias
work,
I
encourage
you
to
understand
that
word
bias
and
implicit
bias.
If
you
want
to
actually
go
to
the
harvard
university's
implicit
bias
page,
you
can
simply
google
that,
and
you
can
take
a
quick
test
which
will
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
background
of
how
much
implicit
bias
you
have.
I
took
the
test
myself
and
as
a
white
person,
I
do
have
implicit
bias.
That
shapes
my
experience.
T
My
experiences
with
police
have
always
been
really
positive.
They've
always
been
overwhelmingly
positive.
That's
what
shaped
my
worldview,
but
my
experience
and
my
personal
positive
view
of
police
is
not
the
issue.
What
the
issue
is
is
that
people
in
the
black
community
are
obviously
affected
by
the
choices
and
the
budgetary
decisions
that
you
make.
We
have
a
choice
now
to
reallocate
funds
to
community
programs
that
will
positively
affect
people's
lives.
T
U
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
thanks
for
joining
us
hi.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
maher
hawk
and
I'm
a
resident
of
mount
washington
one
five,
two
one
one
thanks
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
today
on
the
topic
of
governance
in
the
police
budget.
Although
the
city
appears
to
be
taking
all
too
tentative
steps
forward,
understand
that
for
many
of
us
this
is
only
the
beginning.
This
isn't
a
moment.
It's
a
movement.
U
I
was
disappointed
to
see
that
some
council
members
did
not
seem
to
be
paying
full
attention
during
recent
meetings
and
even
council
member
strasberger
mentioned
yesterday
that
not
all
these
meetings
have
had
enough
attendance
by
council
members.
I
think
my
council
member
is
bruce
krauss
and
I
don't
know
where
he
is
right
now
be
assured
that
we
will
be
coming
for
your
jobs.
If
you
do
not
change
the
way
the
business
and
the
city
is
conducted,
u.s
council
members
will
continue
to
feel
the
heat
until
real
change
comes
to
pittsburgh.
U
I'm
also
joined
by
my
fellow
pittsburgh
resident
rachel
fenegworth,
who
could
not
speak
tonight,
and
I
quote
in
support
for
guaranteeing
community
involvement
in
the
determination
of
where
and
how
to
distribute
the
250k
being
placed
into
the
stop
the
violence
fund
from
the
pittsburgh
police
department
budget.
A
series
of
town
halls
needs
to
be
set
up
in
the
communities
outlined
in
the
bill
that
will
be
receiving
this
first
round
of
money.
These
town
halls
need
to
be
advertised
extensively,
including
flyers
and
door-to-door
invites,
and
not
only
on
social
media
or
the
internet.
U
There
needs
to
be
an
outdoor
meeting
set
up
for
any
community
member
who
does
not
have
access
to
the
internet
or
devices
provided
to
enable
them
to
attend
an
online
meeting.
This
should
become
common
practice,
as
meetings
continue
to
be
held.
Virtually
especially
should
the
limits
on
gatherings
continue
into
the
fall
budget
setting
season,
these
accommodations
should
continue
even
past
any
type
of
covid
related
restrictions
on
gatherings.
U
In
addition,
the
amount
of
money
being
taken
from
the
police
budget
in
the
first
place
and
the
percentage
increase
set
up
for
the
next
five
years
is
not
enough,
and
it's
too
slow,
250k
out
of
a
budget
of
115
million
10
percent
in
10
years.
That's
that's
not
good
enough.
The
police
department
can
no
longer
hold
such
a
large
percentage
of
the
city's
budget.
A
more
substantial
cut
needs
to
be
made
with
funds
being
redistributed
into
communities
immediately,
while
the
voices
and
opinions
of
community
members
are
making
the
decisions
every
step
of
the
way.
U
M
V
V
You
know
this
is
an
asset
for
the
city,
these
people,
who
are
much
more
well-informed
than
I
am
on
all
these
topics,
and
it's
very
very
impressive,
and
I
hope
that
the
city
council
will
use
this
as
an
asset
to
help
you
make
these
decisions.
I
know
they're
complicated.
I
know
that
most
people
are
not
informed
but
much
less
informed
than
I
am
even
and
use
these
people
who
are
informed,
who
are
passionate
about
these
topics
to
help
you
make
these
decisions-
and
I
know
it's
difficult.
V
I
tell
you
the
most
important
thing
that
I've
been
thinking
about
most
recently
is
that
the
president
is
probably
planning
on
sending
more
of
these
unmarked
federal
they're,
not
officers,
not
troops
on
what
they
are,
but
I
bet
you
pittsburgh
is
on
the
list
to
have
them
and
we
should
be
prepared
for
this,
and
I
hope
the
city
council
is
prepared
to
make
that
make
sure
that
this
doesn't
happen.
It
would
be
a
big
shame,
it
would
be
chaotic,
it
would
be
it's
a
deliberate
instigation
and
I
really
hope
it
doesn't
happen.
W
Elia
yep,
so
I'm
eliana
beagle
I'm
a
student
at
the
graduate
school
of
public
and
international
affairs
at
pitt,
and
I
live
in
friendship,
so
I
you
know
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
the
speakers
are
on
the
same
page.
I
similarly
oppose
the
stop
the
violence
fund.
We
need
community
input
first
before
we
can
decide
where
that
money
would
go,
and
I
support
the
ordinances
that
would
create
a
duty
to
intervene,
would
ban
the
acquisition
of
military
equipment
and
which
would
put
in
place
a
hiring
freeze.
W
In
particular,
though,
I
want
to
speak
about
the
duty
to
intervene
ordinance.
Essentially,
it
relies
on
officers
to
hold
each
other
accountable.
So
while
I
support
it,
I'm
also
not
sure
if
we're
supposed
to
trust
that
it'll
actually
do
anything.
I
was
one
of
the
protesters
attacked
by
riot
police
on
june
1st
in
east
liberty.
W
W
If
we're
going
by
stereotypes,
I'm
about
the
least
intimidating
person
you
could
imagine.
But
when
I
stand
with
black
activists
affirming
their
right
to
exist,
I
apparently
become
a
threat
to
public
safety
too.
How
could
I
possibly
trust
the
police
after
that?
Oh
is
my
time
up.
How
could
I
possibly
trust
the
police
after
that?
W
How
could
anyone
feel
safe,
knowing
that
our
police
have
no
problem
using
chemical
weapons
against
citizens
and
then
lying
about
it,
but
beyond
just
anecdotal
evidence?
I
decided
to
look
at
the
use
of
force
policy
that
the
pittsburgh
police
use.
Specifically,
I
wanted
to
look
at
neck
restraints
because
that's
how
derek
chovin
murdered
george
floyd,
the
official
policy
states,
pbp
personnel,
are
not
authorized
to
use
neck
restraints
or
similar
control
techniques,
which
have
the
potential
for
serious
injury
and
less
involved
in
a
deadly
force
encounter.
W
So
I
decided
to
look
at
whether
or
not
neck
restraints
are
actually
being
used.
Now
this
policy
was
put
into
place
in
2015.
from
2010
to
2015.
There
were
about
three
neck
restraints
per
year
after
the
policy
was
introduced
in
2015
still
an
average
of
three
neck
restraints
per
year,
so
it
doesn't
appear
that
that
policy
actually
did
anything
and
frankly,
there
should
be
zero.
W
B
X
B
C
Y
Sure
I'm
sadie
therese
a
resident
of
the
marshall
shadeland
neighborhood
and,
as
many
others
have
stated,
I
am
frankly
appalled
that
pittsburgh
can
be
named
one
of
the
most
livable
cities
in
the
country,
while
at
the
same
time
being
one
of
the
worst
cities
for
black
americans
and
other
people
of
color.
Y
Y
I
would
like
to
again
say
that
ten
percent
is
not
an
for
the
stop
the
violence
fund.
It
honestly
sounds
like
barely
enough
to
cover
the
additional
bureaucracy
that
it's
likely
to
create
and
it
doesn't
address
the
root
issues
of
of
the
problems.
A
much
bigger
investment
is
needed,
but
I
really
want
to
focus
mostly
on
expressing
support
for
the
ban
on
the
acquisition
of
military
equipment
by
the
police
department.
Y
Y
I
honestly
thought
that
that
was
the
thing
of
the
speculative
fiction
and
sci-fi
novels
that
I
read
until
learning
that
our
present
police
force
has
trained
with
the
israeli
military
and
that
we
have
these
large
military
vehicles
and
other
weaponry
in
our
city
already,
and
I'm
ashamed
that
I'm
just
now
learning
that
and
paying
enough
attention
to.
E
E
E
Sexual
assault
and
rape
are
not
ethical
standards
and
our
police
should
be
held
accountable
for
this
abuse,
whereas
the
swat
team
has
undergone
significant
changes.
In
the
past
few
years,
police
officers
have
not
been
held
accountable
for
the
brutalization
and
targeting
of
my
community,
the
sex
parker
community.
Here
in
pittsburgh,
defund
the
police,
where
you
can
defunding
the
police,
includes
defunding
the
police
to
brutalize
sex
workers,
banned
diversionary
programs,
their
coercion
into
services.
This
is
conversion.
Therapy,
forced
and
threatened
via
arrest.
E
Police
should
never
be
the
gatekeepers
of
resources
for
the
communities
they
have.
Brutalized
police
should
not
be
the
gatekeepers
of
resources
for
anybody.
If
folks
want
saved,
they
should
be
able
to
walk
into
resource
centers
and
choose
from
a
list
of
resources
that
support
and
fit
their
specific
needs.
Remove,
funding
for
police
and
invest
in
communities,
listen
to
folks
with
lived
experiences.
E
We
want
you
to
defund
the
police
fund,
black
leaders,
fund,
black
trans
leaders,
fund,
black
trans
sex
worker
leaders,
fund
sex
worker
leaders
and
support
state
level,
decriminalization
of
prostitution
and
all
related
offenses,
as
this
is
a
moralistic
law
that
is
none
of
the
business.
So
please
write
your
state
lawmakers
as
county
council
people.
Z
AA
R
Okay,
anyway,
okay
burgers,
your
housing
legislation
was
one
of
the
biggest
cause
of
institutional
racism.
Your
housing
model
of
display
to
residents
was
created
when
you
gave
free
reign
to
the
developers
to
price
out
renters
and
mama
pop
businesses
due
to
versus
close
relationship
with
the
mayor.
This
housing
model
became
a
trickle-down
effect
throughout
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
R
Burgess
know
that
low-income
residents
do
not
have
the
qualifying
income
to
afford
his
new
development
and
he
never
included
any
provisions
in
his
development
plan
to
help
the
most
vulnerable
in
his
district.
Burgess
housing
model
is
a
contributing
factor
to
the
systemic
racism
that
is
occurring
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
R
As
far
as
to
stop
the
violence
fund
created
by
burgess,
this
has
this
has
never.
There
has
never
been
any
reports,
deliverables
or
any
other
mechanism
to
see
how
money
was
fit,
which
was
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
was
given
to
this
fund
in
2018..
R
As
a
as
a
resident
of
pittsburgh,
I
am
suggesting
that
a
fund
be
created
by
pittsburgh
residents.
Grassroots
residents
should
be
chosen
from
each
district
to
create
this
ballot
prevention
fund.
This
way
it
would
give
an
opportunity
for
funding
to
be
distributed
evenly.
Also,
there
should
be
an
automatic
process
of
transparency.
AA
AB
AB
Oh
good,
good,
good,
good,
good
evening
council.
I
want
to
speak
about
several
issues
around
around
the
policing
and
I
think
the
most
important
thing
that
I
think
you
should
be
gratified
this,
even
if
people
are
coming
out
and
they're
speaking,
which
means
in
their
minds
this
institution
has
credibility
of
the
city
council
and
as
we're
questioning
the
institution
of
policing.
AB
If
the
city
council
continues
to
go
down
the
road
where
there's
they're
doing
things
that
maybe
are
not
as
transparent
as
they
should
be,
or
something
to
be
strewed,
as
maybe
trying
to
mislead
the
public,
then
in
time
this
institution
of
the
city,
council,
pittsburgh
will
come
into
question
as
well,
and
so
I
speak
about
that.
To
talk
about
first
stop
the
station
east
liberty.
AB
I
think
the
community
needs
to
get
a
full
explanation
as
to
why
that
decision
has
been
made,
a
decision
which
the
community
had
no
idea
was
it
being
made,
and
we
asked
why
is
this
happening
after
13
years?
We're
talking?
Oh,
the
building
in
washington.
Boulder
has
a
flooding
issue.
Some
talk
about.
Oh
the
rent
is
too
high
from
the
state
yet
nobody's.
AB
Given
a
definitive
answer-
and
we
hear
from
the
mayor-
we
hear
well,
it's
not
really
happening,
even
though
rfps
have
been
going
out
and
people
have
reply
to
those
rit
same
as,
as,
as
the
woman
earlier
called
admission
about
the
operation,
better
block
receiving
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
for
work
that
they
have
no
background
or
history
at
all.
AB
In
doing
the
same
with
the
stop
the
the
violence
fund,
which
anybody
knows
is
not
enough,
I
think
you
should
also
ask
questions
as
people
talk
about
the
funding
of
the
city
of
the
police,
a
50
increase
since
2014.
AB
As
we
know,
the
crime
has
gone
down
in
this
city
and
no
one
has
questioned
anything,
and
so
you
know
we're
talking
about
again.
You
know
reimagining
how
we
do
police.
I
think
that
we
should
honestly
begin
to
work.
You
know,
cooperatively
with
people
around
this
budget
and
around
different
things
and
finally
I'll
say
I
think
no
better
example
is
the
vet,
the
former
veteran
administration
of
va
hospital
property
up
at
the
top
of
howland
drive,
which
was
sold
to
the
city
for
a
dollar
it
was
turned
over
to
police.
AB
It
is
a
unique
amazing
part
of
the
city,
154
acres,
and
it
couldn't
be
imagined
that
we
could
have
maybe
put
a
park
there.
Maybe
a
concert
stage
there.
Maybe
it
could
have
been
something
that
could
have
been
a
real
asset
to
this
city.
Yet
quietly
was
turned
over
to
the
police
to
do
tactical
training
or
whatever
they're
doing
up
there,
because
we
have
simply
no
idea.
What's
going
on
up
here,
a
50
increase
in
the
public
safety
budget
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
At
the
same
time,
crime
is
dropping.
AB
B
Thank
you,
mr
taylor.
Dolores
sands,.
B
Mr
laura
sign:
okay.
B
Y
Y
Y
As
randall
taylor
spoke
regarding
the
credibility
of
the
city
council.
If
this
is
really
going
to
be
money
that
serves
the
community,
then
you
need
to
consult
the
community
personally.
A
major
need
that
comes
to
my
mind,
especially
in
terms
of
promoting
the
safety
and
well-being
of
black
and
brown
citizens
of
pittsburgh,
is
what
can
the
city
do
to
combat
the
spread
of
the
coronavirus
pandemic,
which
is
disproportionately
killing
black
people
in
this
country?.
Y
Y
Y
Continues
on
july
3rd,
I
stood
with
my
fellow
protesters,
chanting
black
trans
lives
matter,
and
I
stuck
my
dirty
finger
in
my
eye
and
tore
out
my
contact
lens
and
threw
it
on
the
ground.
Why?
Because
pittsburgh
police
were
approaching
with
batons
and
tear
gas.
Y
AC
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay?
Yes,
thanks
for
joining
us!
Thank
you.
I
live
in
the
pittsburgh
neighborhood
of
highland
park
and
have
done
harm
reduction,
work
around
sex
work
and
housing,
and
I'm
currently
involved
in
frontline
harm
reduction
work
with
folks
who
use
drugs
here
in
pittsburgh.
AC
One
individual,
a
senior
who
is
experiencing
homelessness
was
awoken
by
police,
while
sleeping
in
the
hallway
of
an
apartment
building,
and
they
were
jailed
after
police
found
paraphernalia
with
their
belongings.
This
person
was
never
offered
housing
support.
Instead,
a
senior
black
man
without
housing
was
left
with
a
court
date,
a
fine
and
no
support.
AC
Instead,
they
came
to
a
community
organization
to
receive
support.
So
why
do
we
keep
investing
in
a
system
that
is
so
clearly
linked
to
trauma,
while
simultaneously
giving
very
little
resources
to
community
organizations
rooted
in
racial
justice
and
mutual
aid
that
we
know
work?
Why
do
we
keep
investing
in
a
system
that
our
black
and
indigenous
neighbors
are
and
have
been
telling
us
has
been
harming
them
for
generations?
AC
I'm
calling
on
you
to
do
something
different
today
to
imagine
a
pittsburgh
with
less
or
preferably
no
police
and
more
black-led
community-geared
resources
think
about
the
possibilities
that
could
exist
if
there
were
less
barriers
set
up
by
law
enforcement
and
more
pathways
made
by
frontline
community
healthcare
workers.
That
is
what
defunding
the
police
can
do.
Defunding
the
police
means
investing
our
capital
and
operating
funds
in
black
communities
and
the
things
people
really
need
homes,
living
wage
jobs,
education
and
the
needs
that
ensure
a
dignified
life
for
every
single
resident.
AC
The
structures
of
society
that
really
keep
people
safe
and
cared
for
this
is
possible.
Another
way
is
possible.
We
don't
need
more
investment
in
the
police.
We
need
investment
in
our
communities.
Those
two
are
not
the
same
thing.
Please
choose
the
latter
defund
the
police
black
lives
matter.
I
yield
my
time.
B
AD
How
are
you
hey
good?
My
name
is
gio
maroon.
I
live
in
south
squirrel
hill
15217
and
I'm
here
to
just
encourage
council
to
take
the
steps
that
actually
fit
the
massive
scope
of
the
problem
we're
facing,
rather
than
relying
on
small
incremental
change
in
the
face
of
centuries
of
damage
to
black
communities
and
working
class
communities.
AD
Measure
406
to
ban
acquisition
of
military
equipment
is
a
good
step
that
I
think
the
council
should
take.
However,
as
many
other
speakers
have
said,
the
other
measures
don't
do
nearly
enough.
We
do
need
to
reallocate
funding
from
policing
toward
community
services,
but
the
community
has
to
play
a
central
part
in
determining
what
that
funding
actually
does
and
the
measures
around
the
stop.
The
violence
fund
don't
provide
for
that.
Community
input
activists
and
particularly
black
activists,
have
been
organizing
around
issues
like
affordable
housing
in
pittsburgh
for
years.
AD
They've
done
this,
especially
as
affordable
housing
here
disappears
with
very
little
action
from
city
government
or
the
mayor.
These
community
members
know
what
their
communities
need
and
their
voices
must
be
at
the
center
of
this
process
through
participatory
budgeting.
That
truly
reflects
what
the
people
need
and,
as
other
speakers
mentioned
earlier,
residents
from
different
parts
of
the
city
should
be
allowed
to
play
a
central
role
in
determining
where
those
funds
go
and,
as
others
have
said,
ten
percent
is
not
enough.
Five
years
is
too
long
with
a
budget
of
115
million
dollars.
AD
Activists
had
to
scratch
and
claw
just
to
get
10
million
dollars
into
the
housing
opportunity
fund.
Imagine
if
we
made
it
as
easy
to
get
money
for
affordable
housing
as
it
is
to
get
money
for
police.
I
myself
grew
up
in
a
pretty
affluent
white
suburb
of
pittsburgh.
My
friends
and
I
never
worried
about
run-ins
with
the
police
outside
of
maybe
speeding
tickets,
and
this
wasn't
because
my
community
was
inherently
peaceful
or
inherently
safe.
It
was
because
communities
like
mine
are
not
over
policed
for
small
issues.
AD
The
way
the
black
communities
are,
and
it
was
also
because
people
had
what
they
needed:
stable
housing,
stable
employment
decently,
funded
public
education,
community
services,
so
much
of
crime
has
its
roots
in
poverty.
So
much
of
research
has
shown
again
and
again
that
making
communities
safer
means
giving
people
what
they
need
to
live
and
any
fund
that
truly
aims
to
stop.
Violence
must
include
access
to
stable,
affordable
housing,
employment,
education
and
health
care.
AD
X
I
work
with
the
mattress
factory
and
the
union
project
project
art
and
I
also
substitute
fox
chapel
and
I
have
worked
at
other
schools
in
the
in
the
pittsburgh
area,
and
so
I
I've
worked
with
black
and
white
students,
but
I
really
want
to
talk
about
how
there's
something
that
happens
to
black
students
about
middle
school,
where
you
can
just
see
how
they're
afraid,
if
they're,
even
going
to
have
a
future.
I
have
seen
this
there's
a
hope
for
students,
but
there's
also
a
fear.
X
They
live
in
communities
that
are
patrolled
by
police
and
I'm
doing
everything
I
can
to
give
students
in
pittsburgh.
You
know
a
love
of
of
art
and
a
love
of
of
beautiful
things,
but
I
know
that
this
is
also
their
lives.
X
I
would
like
to
talk
about
the
10
budget.
Cut
10
just
puts
it
back
to
where
it
was
last
year,
and
so,
if
you
were
able
to
increase
the
budget
that
much
in
one
year,
you
should
be
able
to
decrease
the
budget
that
much
in
one
year,
not
five.
That
is
just
nothing
remember.
We
are
not
asking
the
police
to
do
more
with
us,
but
we
are
asking
them
to
do
less
with
less.
X
I
have
been
in
a
classroom
where
I
called
for
a
school
counselor
to
come
help
me
with
a
to
with
a
student
and
the
police
officer,
the
school
police
officers.
What
came-
and
he
took
this
black
student
out
of
the
classroom
in
an
elementary
school-
and
that
happens
all
over
pittsburgh,
and
that
starts
a
a
cycle,
an
expectation
for
that
student,
and
it
is
heartbreaking
to
see
that
happen.
X
AE
Thank
you,
which
means,
I
don't
have
to
say
everything.
Everyone
just
said
they
did
a
good
job
as
well.
I
I
want
to.
I
had
a
lot
that
I
thought
I
was
going
to
say,
but
after
listening
to
everyone,
I
would
like
to
just
ask
first,
I
don't
know
what
happened
with
nikki.
Jo,
her
time
was
cut
short.
AE
I
don't
know
if
that
was
accidental
or
who's
in
charge
of
that,
but
she
was
actually
speaking
for
only
two
minutes
and
one
second,
I've
been
timing,
everyone-
and
so
I
don't
know
what
happened
with
that.
Second.
B
Please
don't
start
our
time,
I'm
just
going
to
say
that
the
time
is
being
kept
by
our
imp
department
away
from
all
of
us.
So,
okay.
AE
I
just
wanted
to
note
that,
and
also
you
know
it's
very
it
is
telling,
and
I
don't
want
to
make
assumptions,
but
you
know
watching
your
facial
expressions,
especially
councilman
wilson,
when
certain
things
are
said
you
know
people
are
you
know
I
just
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
yourself,
you
know
I've
done
a
lot
of
talk
shows,
and
I
often
watch
myself
afterwards
to
learn
my
facial
expressions
and
how
I
see,
but
it
can
be
very
off-putting
to
people
and
upsetting
when
some
of
the
facial
expressions
that
are
seen
nor
certain
statements
being
made,
and
it's
been
a
little
consistent
over
the
course
of
the
hearing,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
be.
AE
I
wanted
to
you
know
point
that
out
because
it
made
me
feel
some
type
of
way
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
pointed
that
out
publicly
as
elected
officials.
Maybe
we
should
practice,
you
know
a
poker
face
or
something
unless
we're
showing
empathy
and
then.
Lastly,
I
wanted
to
highlight
you
know
you
heard
a
lot
today
and
I
just
want
to
ask
that
it
doesn't
sound
like
a
broken
record.
AE
Does
it
that
it
doesn't
sound
like
the
same
old
same
old
and
that
you
are
allowing
this
to
not
only
enter
your
ears,
but
your
hearts?
People
did
not
take
the
time
to
sit
and
wait
a
half
an
hour,
45
minutes
an
hour
to
speak
to
you,
because
they
have
nothing
else
to
do
that.
This
is
a
very
important
matter
to
a
lot
of
people,
and
I
hope
you
take
it
as
seriously
the
legislation
that
people
have
spoken
on.
That's
who
you've
been
elected
to
represent.
AE
I
don't
know
if
we
don't
trust
people
and
we
just
if
we
think
that
they're
just
they
don't
know
what
they're
talking
about
that.
If
they
knew
they
would
say
something
different.
But
I
would
say
it's
the
opposite.
AE
I
would
say
that
we
all
don't
share
the
same,
lived
experience
and
sometimes
when
things
make
us
uncomfortable,
it's
because
we've
never
experienced
it,
but
it
doesn't
mean
it's
not
reality
for
very,
very
many
people,
and
so
I
would
ask
that
you
step
outside
of
your
own
selves,
your
own
experience
and
really
listen
to
what
you
heard
and
move
on
that
the
people
would
like
to
say
where
this
money
needs
to
go
in
their
community.
It
is
a
great
idea
to
defund
the
police
to
reallocate
funds
to
make
anthony
coghill
feel
better.
AE
It
is
a
great
idea
to
to
transfer
money
from
something
that
we
see
is
harming
people
for
something
that
we
wanted
to
believe
in.
But
evidence
has
shown
us
is
not
working,
no
matter
who
our
friends
are
no
matter
who
the
fop
is
that
you
like
and
is
telling
you
to
do
the
opposite.
The
people
have
spoken
and
you
have
a
duty
to
listen
to
them,
and
then
they
have
a
duty
to
elect
people
that
do
listen
to
them,
and
so
we
would
we
we
need
change.
AE
We
need
change
now
and
we
need
to
stop
this
over-reliance
on
incarceration
a
penal
system
and
start
really
thinking
about
people.
You
heard
from
a
diverse
array
of
people
from
all
walks
of
life
from
different
professions.
All
saying
the
same
thing
I
behoove
you.
It
will
behoove
you
to
listen
to
them.
That
is
all
I
have
to
say
and
thank
you
councilwoman,
theresa,
kell
smith,
very
much
so
for
providing
what
people
have
been.
Y
How
are
you
hi
good?
Thank
you,
I'm
kelsea
friedl.
I
live
in
greenfield
pittsburgh.
First
of
all,
thank
you.
I
would
like
to
also
point
out
something
that
I
think
we've
all
been
kind
of
seeing
during
this
public
hearing,
the
community
members
of
the
city
can
see
when
the
council
members
smirk
and
laugh
at
our
passionate
appeals
to
you,
and
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
some
of
it
has
been
very
disrespectful
for
some
of
us.
Y
This
is
our
only
way
to
make
change,
and
this
is
also
the
reason
that
we
continue
to
protest
because
we
are
being
mocked
and
we
are
not
being
heard.
There
are
nine
council
members
and
there
have
been
anywhere
between
four
to
seven
of
you
on
at
a
time
here
right
now,
and
this
is
about
our
lives
and
the
community's
lives,
and
it
is
a
matter
of
our
life
and
death.
So
please
listen
to
us
with
that
being
said,
I
would
like
to
kind
of
echo
what
literally
everyone
who
has
spoken
has
said.
Y
Please
defund,
the
police
10
of
the
police
budget.
Reallocating
is
not
enough,
especially
over
five
years.
That
is
way
too
long.
We
need
to
reinvest
in
the
community,
and
economic
justice
is
a
step
towards
anti-violence
and
anti-racist
community,
and
society
and
justice
will
happen.
If
we
stop
treating
these
problems
of
poverty
and
systemic
racism
with
police,
they
are
not
trained
to
handle
those
issues.
Y
I
encourage
you
all
to
fully
re-imagine
your
definition
of
public
safety
so
that
it
does
not
disclude
black
and
brown
folks
that
are
disproportionately
affected
by
the
police.
You
know
we
people
have
already
talked
about
it,
things
that
we
need
to
invest
in
housing,
education,
higher
wages
and
so
many
other
things.
Y
As
far
as
the
pending
legislation
goes,
the
stop
the
violence
fund.
I
mean
the
funds
go
to
vague
anti-violence
propositions
at
this
point,
and
it's
just
not
enough.
You
know
it.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
reformed
eventually.
Hopefully
we
are
all
pushing
for
abolishment
of
the
police.
At
least
I
am
duty
to
intervene.
Y
As
I
said
before,
we
must
dismantle
the
structure
of
the
policing
itself
for
this
to
work.
It
doesn't
hold
any
officers
accountable.
I
mean
this
was
in
place
and
in
effect,
when
george
floyd
was
murdered,
so
that
just
goes
to
show
you
how
well
it
works.
We
must
create
legislation
focused
on
systemic
change.
B
Time's
up,
thank
you
and
I'm
just
going
to
say
if
anybody
has
any
written
statements
that
they'd
like
to
submit
to
council,
were
I'm
going
to
give
you
an
ad
an
email
address
at
the
end
to
the
clerk's
office,
so
that
they
can
share
those
written
comments
with
us
christopher
during.
AF
K
AF
You
know
I
I
want
to
echo
everything
that
everyone's
demanded
so
far,
defund
the
police,
the
stop
the
violence
fund
is
nowhere
near
enough,
not
to
mention
the
fact
that
the
legislation
does
not
actually
guarantee
that
that
money
would
come
from
the
policing
or
public
safety
budget
just
that
the
amount
should
equal
five
percent
of
the
police
and
budget.
So
that's
a
problem
duty.
AF
Yeah
that
that
should
not
be
allowed,
but,
as
someone
just
before
me
said,
this
rule
was
in
place
in
minneapolis
and
look
what
happened
there
banning
acquisition
of
military
equipment.
I
hope
you
do.
AF
AF
AF
AF
AF
Councilwoman
strasberger
and
councilwoman
gross.
Thank
you
for
actually
paying
attention
bobby
wilson.
I
know
you've
gotten
a
lot
of
criticism
today,
but
you
were
elected
because
people
did
not
like
darling
harris.
If
you
want
to
keep
your
job
and
have
future
jobs
in
pittsburgh,
you
need
to
do
what
people
are
actually
asking
you
to
do.
AF
AF
Madam
president,
councilwoman
smith,
I
appreciate
that
you
have
been
listening
and
putting
on
these
public
hearings,
I'd
like
to
say
that,
after
all
these
meetings,
it
seems
that
those
of
you
with
comments-
some
of
you,
have
not
learned
anything
councilwoman.
You
said
on
saturday
that
we
need
to
hear
from
the
fop
on
these
issues.
We.
AF
AE
B
Y
I
would
like
to
just
I'm
just
really
proud
of
everyone
who's
speaking
about
this
who's.
Come
to
this
meeting,
I'm
from
I
live
in
the
friendship
neighborhood
of
pittsburgh,
I'm
here
to
echo
everyone's
comments
to
defund
the
police
as
a
step
towards
abolishment
of
abolition,
and
some
of
you
on
the
council
might
be
hearing
that
and
might
think.
Y
Y
Y
It
has
existed
since
the
abolitionist
movement
to
abolish
slavery
and
people
who
are
involved
in
about
abolishing
slavery
after
slavery
ended
their
struggle
didn't
end
their
struggle
continued,
and
what
we
know
is
that
the
police
are
legacies
of
slavery
and
were
literally
born
to
enforce
the
properties,
the
property
of
white
men
and,
at
that
time,
enslaved
black
people
were
property,
so
that
that
is
who
the
police
protect
and
serve.
Fundamentally,
you
can't
reform
that
so
notions
about
duty
to
serve
or
reformist
reformist
attempts
are
the.
Y
Is
that
what
is
actually
pie
in
the
sky?
Abolition,
isn't
pie
in
the
sky,
but
expecting
that
five
percent
by
five
years
that
that's
going
to
prevent
another
antoine
rose.
That's
some
pie
in
the
sky
really.
Y
I
am,
I
fear,
for
my
life
when
I
go
out
to
protest,
not
because
of
the
people
who
go,
I'm
afraid
of
what
the
police
are
going
to
do,
because
this
council
has
not
taken
any
action
to
immediately
remove
their
less
lethal
munitions,
which
we
know
are
not
actually
less
lethal.
They
kill
people
as
we
know
that
the
allegheny
county
council
failed
to
approve
a
bill
that
would
have
banned
less
lethal
munitions,
I'm
just
going
to
call
them
full
lethal
munitions
because
that's
what
they
are
and
the
the
county
council
did
voted.
Y
B
B
AG
N
AG
N
A
couple
were
having
problems
with
the
audio.
I
think
they
have
not
downloaded,
maybe
the
up
the
most
up-to-date
version
of
zoom.
So
I
think
there's
three
or
four
people
that
I
got
a
message
from
that
you
know
their
name
was
called,
but
they
could.
We
couldn't
hear
them.
So
I
don't
know
what
to
tell
them.
B
B
Let's
see
we'll
hear
from
council
members
after
we
check
to
make
sure
that.
N
B
Okay,
we'll
try
to
figure
something
out
to
make
sure
that
we
get
to
hear
from
them.
B
And
with
that
said,
we'll
we'll
turn
it
over
to
council.
I
will
say
that
we
had
a
preliminary
vote
today
on
these
bills.
We
have
another
post
agenda
and
we
have
and
then
we'll
have
the
final
vote
on
tuesday.
So
we
get
to
have
one
more
bit
of
information
before
the
final
vote
and
with
that
said,
I'm
gonna
call
on
members.
I'm
gonna
start
with
reverend
burgess,
since
this
is
his
legislation
if
he
has
anything
to.
AH
Say,
thank
you,
madam
president.
We
are
grateful
for
those
who
have
come
out
and
spoke.
I
said
something
this
morning
I
will
say
it
again.
AH
I
I
appreciate
the
passion
of
the
speakers,
but
oftentimes
we
as
legislators.
We
cannot
just
do
what's
passionate,
we
have
to
do
what's
legal
and
appropriate,
and
so
we
have
to
so.
For
instance,
the
former
va
site
was
given
to
the
city,
but
it
can
only
be
used
for
public
safety
services.
So,
even
if
we
wanted
to
put
you
know
a
recreation
center
there,
unfortunately
the
covenant
that
the
federal
government
gave
us
restricted
the
use,
and
so
there
there's
just
things.
AH
I
I
think
the
advocates
have
done
a
great
job
and
bringing
this
conversation
to
the
forefront,
and
I
have
tried
to
the
best
of
my
ability
to
embody
some
sense
of
their
priorities
and
gave
the
council
a
way
to
have
this
conversation,
and
I
also
want
to
appreciate
that
I
appreciate
the
way
we've
had
the
conversation
as
council.
I
was
particularly
moved
by
councilwoman
gross's
testimony
this
morning.
I
have
spent
my
entire
and
I
probably
didn't
say
it,
then
I'm
not
sure
what
you
know.
AH
I've
lost
so
many
people
in
my
council
district.
The
reason
I
ran
for
council
almost
at
first
was
I
a
young
man
in
my
church
who
was
shot
and
killed,
and
I
had
so
many
depths
in
the
community
that
I
was
doing.
I
just
couldn't
take
it,
and
so
the
reason
that
I
probably
know
so
much
about
this
issue
was
out
of
necessity
not
on
the
desire
just
had
to
learn
it
because
it
was
what
was
killing
my
community.
AH
I'm
grateful
that
those
numbers
are
down,
but
let's
work
together
to
see
what
we
can
do,
it's
going
to
be
a
long
conversation
right.
It's
not
just
going
to
be
this
week
or
next
week
we're
really
talking
about
year.
Two
three
four
five
year
conversation
about
the
future
of
policing,
looks
like
in
the
city
and
with
the
future
of
black
communities.
Look
like
in
the
city,
and
so
I
look
forward
to
being
with
you
part
of
that
time
to
have
this
conversation
again.
Thank
you,
madam
president.
AH
I
think
it's
excellent
for
you
to
have
hosted
these
public
hearings
and
post
agendas,
and
I'm
I
I
have.
I
have
I'm
grateful,
I'm
talking
too
much,
but
I'm
grateful
for
the
community's
insight
and
participation.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Thank
you
thank
you
reverend
and
then
we'll
go
with
councilwoman
gross.
AI
Oh
here
we
go
as
always
it's
it's
so
important
to
hear
the
voice
of
our
citizens
directly,
and
I
think
it's
even
valuable
for
them
to
hear
each
other,
and
I
really
appreciate
this
year's
legislative
and
budget
season,
because
I'm
finding
the
public
is
so
incredibly
well
informed
and
is
reading
legislation
early
on
in
the
process,
sometimes
even
before
we've
discussed
it
they're,
calling
in
when
it's
just
being
first
handed
in
as
a
new
paper
and
also
really
digging
into
this
budget.
AI
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
great
budget
season
as
we
work
on
the
budget
for
2021..
A
few
of
our
speakers
mentioned
to
stop
the
violence
fund
as
a
re
10
reduction.
It
is
not
a
reduction,
so
I
just
we
said
that
this
morning,
very
clearly
in
our
council
session,
where
we
discussed
it.
I
think
one
caller
tonight
pointed
that
out
and
I
am
no
kitty
porter,
but
I
tried
to
scribble
out
what
that
means.
AI
That's
just
a
little
over
five
million
dollars
would
be
added
to
the
stop
the
violence
fund,
but
not
reduced,
so
it
wouldn't
be
going
from,
let's
say
115
million
down
to
100
million
for
this
for
the
police
budget.
If
we
kept
the
police
budget
the
same,
it
would
still
be
115
million.
It's
just
that
the
stop
the
violence
fund
we'll
skip
five
million.
If
we
kept
the
buds
police
budget
at
115
million
by
2026,
it
would
be
a
10
additional,
and
so
that
adds
up
to
like
126
million.
AI
If
but
it
doesn't
stop
us
from
doubling
the
police
budget
like
in
five
years,
if
we
doubled
the
police
budget
to
200
million,
this
legislation
would
just
allocate
20
million
dollars
into
the
stop
the
violence
fund
and
then
the
total
expenditure
would
be
220
million,
so
we
still
haven't
even
begun.
The
talk
about
reducing
the
police
budget,
there's
nothing
in
front
of
council
about
that,
and
so
I
just
wanted
people
to
understand
that.
It's
really,
I
think,
it's
important,
but
we
did
hear
also
we'll
recommend
again
the
post
agenda.
AI
We
can't
put
things
in
the
link.
The
post
agenda
that
council
posted
organized
by
president
smith
last
week
was
really
excellent
in
kind
of
giving
the
high
level
overview
of
different
perspectives
and
I'll
use
them
on
a
kind
of
range
of
like
just
doing
some
reforms
to
increasing
significant
funds
into
social
services
and
things
like
the
violence
prevention,
but
then
also
other
people
who
were
advocating
for
these
more
core
root
causes
that
we
heard
a
lot
of
people
testifying
about
today.
AI
But
we
also
have
to
act
with
the
capacity
and
the
budgets
that
we
have
as
the
city.
There
are
other
bodies
of
governments
who
have
the
duty
and
the
budgets
to
provide
some
of
those
services
like
mental
health
services,
and
we
talked
about
that
in
last
week's
post
agenda.
So
I
would
refer
you,
madam
clerk.
I
think
you
should
be
able
to
find
it
on
the
city
council
webpage.
Somehow
you
don't
have
to
sign
off
a
link
but
have
songs.
AI
I
think
if
I
refer
people
just
to
our
city
council
page,
can
they
find
links
to
the
recent
list?
Agendas
and
things
like
that.
I
think
I'm
not
great
on
youtube,
not
as
not
as
good
as
my
kids
are,
but
if
you
there's
now
like
a
city,
a
pittsburgh
youtube
channel,
yes,
and
that
also
the
link
to
those
post
agendas
should
be
organized
there
and
these
public
hearings
and
things
by
date.
So
I
can
refer
you
to
that.
So
thank
you
for
coming
out
tonight.
AI
AG
Thank
you,
madam
president,
and
thanks
for
holding
this
tonight
wow.
Thank
you
to
everyone
who
came
out
this
evening
and
spoke
and
offered
public
comment
for
some
of
you
that
might
have
been
more
courageous
than
others.
If
this
was
your
first
time
doing
that,
especially
on
zoom,
and
thank
you
for
holding
us
accountable
because
that's
what
we
need
you
we
represent,
you
we
serve
you
and,
and
we
need
you
to
hold
us
accountable
when
we're
not
meeting
our
what
we
were
elected
to
do
so.
Thank
you.
AG
I
I
I
heard
a
lot
that
I
had
heard
before
or
that
I
read
before
that.
I
you
know
I
found
myself
if
I
wasn't
actually
nodding
my
head,
I
you
can
imagine
me
nodding
my
head
at
what
I
was
hearing,
especially
the
need
to
get
to
the
root
causes
of
public,
of
violence
and
of
of
of
challenges
and
troubles
in
in
our
communities,
and
I
heard
a
lot
of
I
heard
the
word
reimagining
or
reimagined
a
lot
tonight,
which
I
love,
because
we
can
reimagine
what
our
police
look
like.
AG
We
can
also
reimagine
what
public
safety
means
to
us.
Is
public
safety
policing,
not
necessarily
public
safety
can
be
equivalent
to
public
health
and
to
security
and
feeling
that
that
everyone
has
access
to
food
and
shelter
and
clean
water
and
clean
air
and
education?
And
so
yes,
we
do
need
to
prioritize
those
issues
in
the
2021
budget.
AG
We
are
just
about
to
go
into
august
recess
and
then
ju
right
after
that.
The
budget
season
for
council
will
will
begin
pretty
quickly
after,
and
that
is
when
we
can
really
reimagine
what
the
budget
process
looks
like
just
like
councilwoman
gross
said
we
can.
We
have
an
opportunity
this
year,
both
with
sort
of
the
different
ways
that
we're
we're
interacting
with
the
public
right
now,
but
as
one
as
one
member
of
the
public
spoke
today
about.
AG
We
have
to
do
more
than
just,
I
think,
the
same
old,
same
old
type
of
budget
hearings
that
involve
directors
coming
to
us,
presenting
their
operating
budgets.
Maybe
a
few
council
members
asking
questions
and
then
it's
over.
I
think
we
really
need
to
think
about
how
this
can
involve
the
public
more,
how
this
can
involve
public
voices
more
and
how
we
can
craft
a
budget
that
reflects
our
values
for
2021..
AG
So
what
we're
seeing
in
the
budget
this
year
was
the
result
of
last
fall's
work.
What
we'll
see
twin
2021
will
be
the
result
of
this
falls
work
and
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
to
that
process
and
to
to
crafting
this
and
figuring
out
what
we
can
do,
because
you
know
the.
I
realize
that
this
is
not
what
we
were
meant
to
talk
about
today,
we're
about
to
talk
about
reverend
burgess's
bills,
which
I
do
support,
but
I
I
acknowledge
just
like.
AG
I
know
he
acknowledges
that
they
are
just
a
start:
they're
not
the
end.
This
is
the
very
very
beginning,
so
they
are
not
going
to
be
a
panacea.
They
are
not
going
to
solve
all
of
our
root
cause
issues
and
we
have
a
lot
more
work
to
do.
Certainly,
I
want
to
say
that
we
also
haven't
yet
discussed
issues
that
are
that
really
have
been
brought
up
a
lot
that
haven't
been
addressed
in
any
of
the
legislation.
Yet
like
hiring
qualifications
for
police.
AG
We
don't
have
the
power
to
take
discipline.
Unfortunately,
and
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
to
anyone
about
about
that.
We
have
some
sort
of
power
through
this.
The
cprb
process,
but
you
know
oftentimes
when
we
try
to
discipline
or
fire
police
it
is,
is
halted
by
the
arbitration
process
and
that
needs
to
change
at
the
state
level.
AG
So
I
hope
you
all
contact
your
state
legislators
about
that,
but
we
also
haven't
talked
about,
as
someone
mentioned,
the
less
lethal
weapons
crowds,
de-escalation
techniques-
so
that's
something
I'm
eager
to
get
into
and
to
address,
and
I
I
hope
that
you
continue
to
raise
your
voices
at
the
city
level
at
the
county
level
at
the
state
level
at
the
federal
level,
because
it's
my
firm
belief
that
you
know
this
conversation
is
related
to
a
whole
set
of
other
issues,
but
criminal
justice
more
broadly,
and
we
as
legislators
need
to
work
with
legislators
at
different
levels
of
government
for
an
overall
approach
to
this
issue.
AG
But
I
think
that
you
know
we
also
need
to
continue
to
educate
everyone
in
the
world
out
there
that
you
know
where
the
power
lies
on
various
issues.
So
I
would
be
happy
to
have
that
conversation
with
anyone
at
any
point.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
attending
every
one
of
the
meetings
too.
I
just
want
to
say
that,
and
we
have
councilman
coghill.
Thank.
Z
You
thank
you,
madam
president,
so
I
just
want
to
say
a
couple
things.
First
of
all,
I'm
very
proud
of
the
way
this
council
has
handled
this
situation.
I
really
enjoy
listening
to
all
the
callers
and
the
public
hearings.
I
enjoyed
our
post
agenda,
I'm
looking
forward
to
our
next
one.
Z
I
know
that
many
people
out
there
have,
you
know,
accused
me
of
being
pro-police
and
I
am
pro-police
and
I'm
proud
of
it.
You
know
I
for
for
lots
of
reasons
and
when
we
hear
about
the
funding
of
police
and
things
like
that,
you
know
I
just
feel
like
you
know,
we
need
to
come
into
this
with
an
open
mind
on
both
sides
and
brandi.
Z
If
you're
still
on
I've
been
trying
to
reach
out
to
you,
I
really
want
to
talk
to
you
randy
fisher,
but
I
did
want
to
recall
a
fellow
from
my
neighborhood
called
me
and
he
said.
Oh,
I
was
so
disappointed
to
hear
you
speak
good
about
the
pittsburgh
police
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
Okay,
what
happened
on
june
1st?
Something
went
wrong.
Okay,
I'm
the
first
to
admit
it.
Things
could
have
been
done
done
better.
Z
You
know
whether
it
was
somebody
that
acted
when
they
shouldn't
have
acted,
whether
it
was
the
escape
route
for
people
when
they
started
to
run
there
were
things
wrong
there.
No,
no
question
about
it.
Z
I
come
up
with
an
open
mind.
I
appreciate
all
the
callers
I
feel,
like
I've
learned
a
lot
through
this
process
and
you
know
to
the
other
gentleman
who
you
know
about
about
my
glass
of
wine.
Yes,
I
have
a
glass
of
wine
and
I
enjoy
it.
It's
you
know,
I
do
it
every
night,
so
I
make
no
apologies
for
it,
but
it
doesn't
diminish
the
seriousness
of
this
conversation
for
me
and
that's
why
I've
tuned
in
to
every
post
agenda
every
public
hearing
that
we've
had
to
learn.
Z
AJ
Yes,
thanks
for
all
the
speakers
that
came,
I
know
there
were
a
couple
comments
about
my
facial
expressions.
AJ
AJ
How
serious
I
take
these
issues
and
in
fact
you
know
my
intentions
are
to
feel
exactly
what
individuals
are
speaking
about
tonight,
and
so
I've
made
my
best
effort
last
year
around
this
time
to
go
to
places
where
there
were
crime,
and
so,
for
instance,
I
visited
a
place
where
there
was
still
a
gunshot
through
a
window
at
northview
heights,
and
it
really
struck
me
because
the
the
gun
shot
was
still
there
two
weeks
after-
and
this
was
the
the
day
right
after
I
went
to
a
historic
community
where
they
were
banned,
they
were
they
weren't,
going
to
allow
any
windows
to
have
a
lunar
cladding
on
the
backside
of
the
houses.
AJ
There
was
still
you
know:
the
gunshot
was
through
the
window
and
there
was
the
hole
was
still
existing
on
the
wall
and
they
had
their
their
children
there,
and
you
know
whenever
I
further
looked
into
it.
There
really
is
no
communication
after
some
of
this
trauma
that
happens.
AJ
So
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
do
take
this
very
seriously
and
I
looked
into
that
very
thoroughly
and
made
sure
that
walla
was
covered
up
as
soon
as
possible,
because
that
is
trauma,
and
that
is
not
something
that
a
child
needs
to
have
going
forward
for
the
rest
of
their
life.
So
with
that
said,
I
apologize.
B
No,
I
think
that
that's
not
everyone,
okay,
so
make
sure
I
got
everyone
and
I'm
just
gonna,
thank
all
the
speakers
for
coming
down.
Thank
randy
fischer
for
doing
a
really
great
job
of
making
sure
she
got
a
lot
of
people
out
to
speak,
and
I
really
wanted
when
I
started
down
this
road.
I
really
wanted
to
hear
from
all
sides,
and
so
I'm
first
going
to
say
think
that
we
do
need
to
hear
from
all
sides.
B
B
We
made
decisions
without
knowing
fully
knowing
this
way
we're
going
to
go
into
this,
knowing
everything
that
we
can
about
this
legislation-
and
I
do
want
to
thank
reverend
burgess
because
he
has
done
a
great
job
of
working
with
everyone
to
try
to
get
to
a
place
where
people
felt
comfortable
and
he
could
get
that
some
of
this
stuff
passed,
and
I
think
this
is
just
a
beginning,
and
I
abstain
today
from
all
the
votes,
because
I
do
want
to
hear
from
the
public,
and
I
hope
that
we
can
come
come
up
with
something
that
incorporates
some
of
the
ideas
that
the
public
would
like
to
see.
B
But
I
do
want
to
say
when
you
talk
about.
I
would
say
this:
if
the
faces
council
members
make
and
or
don't
make
and
the
things
we
do
behind
the
scenes,
all
these
members
came
to
almost
every
one
of
these
hearings,
and
so
they
do
care
or
they
they've.
You
know
these
hearings
are
not
mandatory,
but
they
they
care
enough
to
be
here
and
they
cared
enough
to
stay
through
through
and
they
were
actually
excited
when
they
heard
there
was
a
lot
of
speakers.
B
I
mean
it
actually
makes
people
feel
better
to
hear
a
lot
than
it
doesn't
than
to
just
to
hear
a
few.
So
I
know
that
they
value
hearing
from
you
and
they
value
your
comments
and
I'm
going
to
be
honest.
For
61
years
I've
been
trying
to
change
my
face.
It
is
what
it
is.
I
mean.
Sometimes
I
remember
one
time
somebody
yelled
at
me
and
said
you're
over
there
I
mean
I
was
like
ready
to
cry.
I
was
I
was
ready
to
cry
for
them.
I
wasn't
smirking.
B
I
was
trying
to
hold
back
my
tears
something,
but
you
totally
read
my
face
wrong,
so
I
think
that
sometimes
you
know
it's
easy
to
guess
and
and
think
that
you
know
what
people
are
thinking,
but
that's
where
these
kinds
of
conversations
are
important,
because
we
should
all
probably
go
to
anthony
caldwell's
house
for
a
glass
of
wine
and
have
these
conversations
instead
of
you
know
doing
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing.
You
know
talking
at
one
another
guessing
what
we're
doing
thinking
that
we
know
what
how
people
feel.
B
I
tell
people
all
the
time.
I
think
everybody
thinks
the
ffp
is
my
biggest
supporter,
but
they
didn't
endorse
me.
The
last
time
I
ran,
and
so
I
it's
that's
not
the
case.
I
mean
there's
nothing
to
do
with
the
rank
and
foul
at
all
or
with
the
with
the
leadership
it
had.
It
was
just
that
particular
fop
at
the
time
didn't
endorse
me,
and
so
I'll
just
say
that,
but
you
make
people
could
make.
Those
assumptions
is
what
I'll
say,
and
sometimes
it's
just
not
right.
So
they're
not
accurate.
B
But
I
do
want
to
say
we
did
sit
through
a
five
hour
meeting
today
too,
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
a
lot
of
us
are
probably
just
you
know,
exhausted,
but
at
the
same
time
so
concerned
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
we
can
do
and
time
is
coming
up
for
our
break
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out
what
we
can
do
before
the
break.
So
people
felt
like
that.
We
did
something
immediate.
B
B
So
with
that
said,
I'm
going
to
say
we're
going
to
have
a
police
in
our
last
post
agenda
would
be
on
monday
at
10
a.m,
and
we
will
hear
from
the
police
that
that
worked
the
streets,
not
from
the
administration
side.
I
mean
they
may
be
here
and
we'll
hear
still
here
from
some
additional
activists
and
we'll
try
to
hear
some
things
and
hopefully
come
up
with
something
that
we
can
all
peacefully
co-exist
and
with
that
said,
if
there's
nothing
else
for
members,
can
I
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
the
meeting.