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A
A
Bill
number
406
ordinance
supplementing
the
pittsburgh
code
of
ordinances,
title
1,
administrative
article,
1,
general
provisions,
chapter
103,
official
standards
by
adding
a
new
subsection
103.06
prohibition
on
acquisition
of
military
equipment
or
weaponry
bill
number
410
resolution
authorizing
and
directing
the
city
controller
to
transfer
a
total
of
250
000
from
police
salaries.
Police
recruit
allowance
to
the
stop
the
violence
fund
within
the
2020
operating
budget.
B
Good
afternoon
or
evening
now,
and
welcome
to
pittsburg
city
council
city
council,
cable,
cast
public
hearing,
I
will
call
this
meeting
to
order
our
first
order
of
business.
We
are
by
the
way
we
are
joined
today
by
councilwoman,
erica,
strasberger,
councilwoman,
deborah
gross
and
councilman
bobby
wilson.
We
asked
now
that
the
clerk
would
please
read
the
title
of
the
bills
that
we'll
be
discussing
today.
B
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
We
do
have
and
one
invited
guest,
I'm
not
sure
if
she's
on
the
line,
chatera
are
you
here,
ms
murphy?
Are
you
here.
B
If
not
I'll,
simply
say
on
the
behalf
administration
that
we
have
similar
to
the
building
we
passed
this
morning,
we
have
been
working
ongoingly
with
the
public
safety
director
with
the
chief
of
police
and
the
administration
and
the
law
department,
and
we
want
to
thank
them
for
their
work
and
participation
we
will
have.
When
this
comes
back
to
council,
there
will
be
a
slight
versions
of
the
bill
that
has
received
their
scrutiny
and
their
touch,
and
we
will
bring
them
back
to
council
when
the
bills
come
back
on
the
table.
B
D
Yes,
my
name
is
anna
fisher,
I'm
a
resident
of
pittsburgh.
I
live
in
squirrel
hill,
despite
my
accent,
I
am
an
american
citizen
and
I
do
vote
in
each
and
every
election.
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
today
on
those
important
issues.
I
will
try
to
be
brief
and
I
will
focus
my
comments
on
two
bills.
With
regards
to
bill
number:
two:
zero:
two:
zero:
zero:
six:
zero:
zero,
four
zero.
D
Six,
let
me
quote:
general
martin
dempsey,
a
former
chairman
of
the
joint
chiefs
of
staff,
who
recently
wrote
america
is
not
a
battleground.
Our
fellow
citizens
are
not
the
enemy.
I
hope
that
you
agree
with
this
simple
statement
and
if
you
agree,
then
I
ask
if
our
city
is
not
a
battleground
and
if
our
pittsburgh
residents
are
not
the
enemy,
then
why
does
pittsburgh?
Police
need
military-grade
equipment,
so
the
proposed
bill
to
demilitarize
city
police
has
my
full
support
in
regards
to
bill
2020405.
D
This
bill
has
my
full
support
as
well,
and
I
think
I
have
just
a
tiny
bit
of
time
left
and
I
apologize
I'm
going
to
speak
of
something
that
is
not
on
the
schedule
today.
First
of
all,
thank
you
very
much
for
passing
the
legislation
yesterday
to
address
racial
disparities
in
pittsburgh.
There
is
yet
another
report
that
pittsburgh
is
the
worst
city
for
black
advancement
in
the
nation,
but
in
the
news
today
there
was
a
city
of
asheville
north
carolina
where
the
city
council
voted
unanimously
to
provide
reparations
to
black
residents.
D
B
You
very
much,
and
so
this
brings
me
to
my
second
speaker.
Hopefully
I
will
hopefully
excuse
the
pronunciation.
Ekana
hao,
malinkana.
E
Oh
wonderful,
great
thanks
for
having
me
my
title
is
ikahana
hal
makina,
calling
in
regards
to
the
iroquois
confederacy
of
aberdeen,
the
american
people.
I
want
to
say
and
speak
directly
to
the
demilitarization
of
the
police
simply
stating
that
hiring
trained
killers
would
be
the
best
way
to
resolve
that
issue.
You
don't
hire
someone
who
has
been
trained
for
the
sole
purpose
of
killing
people
to
become
police
officers.
That
is
a
common
sense
approach
to
demilitarizing
the
police.
E
E
F
F
A
little
bit
about
my
concern
about
how
this
money
is
going
to
be
spent
and,
as
you
know,
councilman
burgess,
you
have
failed
the
black
community
and
a
lot
of
us.
You
know,
even
though
you
got
back
in
office,
there's
a
lot
of
us
who
did
not
vote
for
you.
F
Yes,
you
got
back
in,
but
the
percentage
60
of
us
didn't
want
you
back
in
there
because
of
the
way
you
treated
the
black
community
and
also
I
wanted
to
bring
up
the
fact
that
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
money
involved
here.
F
You
have
actually
created
this
this
stuff
to
balance
fun,
which
we,
which,
which
I
have
a
lot
of
reservations
about,
because
anytime
you
get
involved
in
anything.
It's
always
something
lucrative,
okay
and,
like
I
said,
and
I've
been
saying
before
that
you
have
exploited
the
black
community
and
and
again,
I
think
that
you
are
not
the
person
to
be
honest,
that
should
have
never
even
sponsored
these
particular
legislation,
because
again
you
have
not
done
right
by
your
people
or
black
people
in
your
community.
F
But
again,
like
I
said
it's
at
this
point,
the
funds
that
I
the
problem
that
I
have
again
like
I
said
these
funds
should
be
directed
or
should
be
looked
at
by
are
the
people
in
the
community.
F
We
want
to
know
exactly
where
this
money
at
you
just
gave
operation
better
block
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
some
type
of
police
prevention
and
that
money
that
they're
not
they're,
not
doing
anything
for
homewood
they're,
not
doing
anything
for
that
community.
We
don't
see
how
that
money
is
being
spent.
So
again,
I
have
reservations
about
you
and
on
how
this
money
is
going
to
be
spent
so
again
that
you
we
need
to
have
we
need
to
be
able
to.
We
may
be
able
to
regulate
this
money.
F
Not
you
because
again,
like
I
said,
is
that
you
have
people
that
you,
these
nonprofits,
that
you
give
money
to
these
people,
because
you're
able
to
operate
this
and
somehow
this
money
is
going
to
probably
get
back
into
your
into
your
pocket.
So
again,
like
I
said,
is
that
this
money
should
not
be
regulated
by
you,
reverend
burgess
ricky
burgess.
B
H
Hello,
thank
you.
Councilman.
H
Name
is
levon
ritter
and
I'm
from
bloomfield,
so
let
me
go
through
the
bills,
one
by
one,
so
for
2020
404,
something
that
I
I
didn't
like
about
this
bill
was
that
the
funding
is
in
proportion
to
the
pittsburgh
police
budget,
which
incentivizes
the
pittsburgh
police
budget
to
keep
increasing
each
year.
I
think
this
is
counter-intuitive
to
the
goal
of
the
bill,
and
instead
the
funding
should
be
totally
independent
of
the
pittsburgh
police
budget,
which
I
think
needs
to
be
decreased.
H
Moving
on
to
405
believe
the
duty
to
intervene
was
made
mandatory
after
the
nuremberg
trials
and
that
principle
that
you
don't
stand
by
and
follow
orders
when
something
an
ethical
takes
place,
and
I
like
that
it
has
protection
for
employees
who
do
come
forward
when
they
witness
abuses
of
power.
H
H
I
think
this
is
a
good
start,
but
I
I'm
a
little
hesitant
to
I'd
like
there
to
be
an
amendment
for
weapons
that
we
don't
think
of
right
away
when
there
are
military.
H
There
are
things
like
that:
we've
that
are
that
have
been
used
like
tear
gas
and
billy
clubs
and
things
that
are
not
less
than
lethal,
but
still
have
the
potential
to
cause
great
permanent
damage
to
people,
and
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
caveat
in
this
ordinance
to
ban
the
pro
the
procurement
of
tear
gas
and
bean
bags
and
and
other
weapons
that
can
cause
that
kind
of
intense
damage
and
moving
on
to
410
the
stop
the
violence
fund.
H
I
like
the
idea,
but
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
take
the
bill,
the
funds
from
police
salaries
and
the
recruit
allowance,
and
this
put
a
hiring
freeze
on
the
department.
I
think
this
money
should
come
out
of
the
pockets
of
the
top
rat
who
were
responsible
for
the
the
negligent
conduct
and
the
violence.
On
june
1st
I
keep
bringing
that
up.
I
don't
want
people
to
forget
it.
H
H
And
for
487
on
four
I
wish
I
could.
I
read
this
in
more
detail
prior
to
this
meeting,
but
generally,
I
would
say
yes,
we
shouldn't
have
was
allowed
to
give
chokeholds,
although
I'm
sure
that
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
loopholes
in
there
too.
B
I
I
can
welcome
hello
city
council
members.
This
is
my
first
public
hearing,
so
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
My
name
is
joshua
zanson,
I'm
a
resident
of
squirrel
hill
and
I'm
calling
to
voice
my
support
for
the
creation
of
a
stop.
The
violence
fund
focused
on
preventing
violence
and
criminal
activity
through
addressing
and
ameliorating
the
root
causes
of
violence
and
crime
in
our
communities.
I
Such
social
work
is
crucial
to
building
strong
communities
and
addressing
the
structural
inequality
and
racism
that
begets
violence
and
crime.
Investing
funds
and
strengthening
communities
and
working
towards
combating
systemic
structural
injustice
will
be
a
much
more
effective
use
of
city
funds
than
police
spending,
which
seeks
only
to
curtail
the
symptoms
of
the
societal
illness
rather
than
heal
the
illness
itself.
In
fact,
racist
policing
exacerbates
the
structural
inequalities
and
racism
behind
such
violence
in
our
communities.
I
Funds
allocated
to
the
police
department
fuel
a
vicious
cycle
where
the
racist
institution
of
the
police
deepens
the
wounds
of
any
of
inequality
and
racism
in
our
communities.
I
further
support
the
hiring
freeze
and
redirection
of
250
000,
which
is
a
mere
0.2
percent
of
the
police
budget
from
pittsburgh
police
hiring
allowance
to
stop
the
violence
fund.
However,
such
initiatives
are
only
the
first
step
towards
promoting
equity
and
justice
in
pittsburgh.
The
effectiveness
of
the
stop
the
violence
fund
would
be
increased
tremendously
if
they
were
allocated
as
much
as
10
percent.
I
I
Furthermore,
I
support
the
ordinances
to
ban
chokeholds,
prohibit
the
police
acquisition
of
military
equipment
and
implement
a
duty
to
intervene.
These
are
small
but
necessary
steps,
long
overdue
in
preventing
inimical
and
often
tragic
abuses
of
power
by
the
police
department
onto
the
citizens
of
pittsburgh.
I
In
summary,
the
creation
of
a
stop
the
violence
fund
is
a
long
overdue
step
in
promoting
equity
and
justice
through
investing
in
our
communities
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
Choosing
to
fund
such
an
initiative
focused
on
community
building,
while
cutting
back
the
power
of
a
racist
policing,
institution
and
system
is
both
a
worthy
and
necessary
act
and
should
be
the
first
of
many
initiatives
focused
on
funding
communities
and
defunding
racist
institutions.
B
You
very
much
and
welcome
to
council.
Our
next
speaker
is
kalyn
rinkfus.
J
Your
time
hi
hello,
can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
yes,
okay!
Thank
you
very
much
good
evening.
I
am
caitlin
rinquist.
I
live
in
beachview,
I'm
a
software
engineer,
a
real
estate
investor
and
I
am
also
a
police
brutality
survivor
throughout
my
41
years
I
have
seen
over
and
over
again
law
enforcement
being
counterproductive
to
actual
crime
prevention.
J
If
you
take
the
time
to
genuinely
listen
to
people
who
have
been
harmed
by
police,
you
will
have
no
choice
but
to
conclude
that
police
are
driving
people
to
commit
more
crime,
not
less.
When
I
was
in
my
early
twenties,
I
talked
someone
down
when
he
was
about
to
murder,
one
of
my
friends
with
a
knife.
Neither
myself
nor
the
victim
called
the
police
and
we
stand
by
that
decision,
but
it
sure
would
have
been
helpful
if
there
had
been
some
sort
of
mental
health
professional.
J
We
could
have
called
despite
the
system
being
set
up
to
protect
rich
white
people.
Like
myself,
I
know
I
would
be
better
off
dealing
with
a
knife-wielding
maniac
on
my
own.
Instead
of
calling
the
police
something
needs
to
change.
The
proposals
today
do
not
go
nearly
far
enough,
but
they
are
a
good
first
step.
J
First,
the
duty
to
intervene,
which
should
already
be
a
basic
expectation,
part
of
my
job,
is
to
make
sure
other
software
developers
aren't
doing
anything
inappropriate.
This
is
a
basic
concept
in
practically
every
profession
out
there.
The
idea
that
this
is
not
already
required
of
police
is
terrifying.
J
Next
is
the
proposal
to
demilitarize
again
common
sense.
We
are
trying
to
affect
social
change
for
our
communities,
which
are
struggling
with
poverty
and
mental
health
issues.
We
are
not
fighting
super
villains,
militarized
police
serve
no
purpose
other
than
to
alienate
peaceful
citizens
and
force
criminals
deeper
into
their
life
of
crime.
We
also
have
a
proposal
to
take
250
000,
which
represents
less
than
one
quarter
of
one
percent
of
the
police
budget.
E
J
On
police,
but
only
a
tiny
fraction
of
that
on
mental
health,
youth
diversions
and
other
social
programs
that
have
been
proven
to
actually
reduce
crime.
We
have
a
serious
problem
that
is
only
going
to
spiral
out
of
control
in
the
coming
years.
You
have
the
opportunity
to
make
a
difference
here.
You
can
be
on
the
right
side
of
history.
You
can
reduce
crime,
improve
our
economy,
increase,
respect
for
law
enforcement,
increase,
respect
for
government
and
yourselves
protect
the
lives
of
citizens
and
police
and
address
the
actual
issues
that
cause
crime.
J
B
You
very
much-
and
I
was
remiss
in
not
saying
earlier-
we
are
joined
by
councilman,
anthony
coghill
that
takes
us
to
our
next
speaker,
which
is
cedric
rudolph.
Mr
rudolph.
K
Okay,
hi.
I
also
would
just
like
to
second
that
I
support
the
initiatives
today.
I
do
feel
like
we
can
go
further,
that
the
chokehold
initiative
for
one
I
think,
is
needed,
but
I
think
that
also
greater
reform
on
a
larger
level
will
be
needed
as
well,
and
I
definitely
support
taking
a
step
back
looking
at
pittsburgh's
policing
in
general
demilitarizing,
the
police
and
in
diverting
funds
to
social,
social
and
mental
health
resources
instead
of
to
the
police
department.
Thank
you.
B
L
Hi
hello,
can
you
all
hear
me
yes,
so
I
would
like
to
similarly
kind
of
go
down
the
line
of
some
of
the
discussed
legislation
or
policies
whatsoever
for
today's
hearing,
so
the
first
one
2020
0404
the
ordinance
discussing
the
stop
the
violence
fund.
L
My
understanding
is
that
something
relating
to
this
was
discussed
within
city
council
chambers
in
2018,
and
a
large
part
of
that
was
trying
to
address
some
of
this
money
and
putting
it
back
into
public
safety
or
the
police
department,
whereas
social
services
and
what
was
discussed
from
some
of
the
previous
speakers,
such
as
services,
which
would
seek
to
address
the
underlying
circumstances
which
generate
violence
as
we
are
discussing.
This
might
not
necessarily
be
a
priority
in
that
regard.
L
So
also,
I
also
raised
the
concern
of
transparency
and
stakeholder
inclusion,
so
this
is
also
an
ongoing
conversation,
of
course,
but
I
believe
that
the
stop
the
violence
fund
needs
to
prioritize
kind
of
stakeholder
inclusion,
transparency
of
the
budget
and
funds,
as
well
as
kind
of
social
investment
and
investment
in
the
communities
themselves,
rather
than
continuing
to
put
money
into
things
such
as
police
enforcement,
especially
when
I
believe
it
to
be
fact
that
police
enforcement
does
not
reduce
crime,
it
just
polices
it
itself.
L
It
isn't
a
solution
to
the
issues
that
the
communities
face
as
it
pertains
to
2020
04
zero
five.
Similarly,
it's
kind
of
remarkable
that
this
needs
to
be
introduced.
L
However,
you
know
I
just
have
a
variety
of
reservations,
considering
the
fact
that
there's
a
variety
of
different
studies
that
have
shown
that
you
know
police
officers
generally
don't
report
serious
criminal
violations
involving
abuse
of
authority
by
fellow
officers.
I
know
for
a
fact
from
a
department
of
justice
study
with
a
sample
size
of
about
899
police
officers
when
they
asked
the
question
as
to
whether
they
always
report
these
criminal
violations
of
fellow
officers.
L
58.5
percent
of
them
disagreed,
so
there
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
teeth
or
enforcement
a
politic,
a
democratically
elected
police
review
board
that
has
the
power
to
be
able
to
hold
our
officers
accountable,
and
this
this
definitely
needs
to
be
enshrined
where
we
need
to
have
this
duty
of
intervention,
but
there
also
needs
to
be
a
very
clear
outlining
of
procedures
and
punishment
for
people
who
deviate
from
this
policy.
B
But
his
time
was
up
okay,
so
that
is
our
last
scheduled
speaker.
We
will
now
move
to
comments
by
members
of
council.
I
will
take
you
in
the
order
in
which
I
see
you
on
my
screen,
which
is
call
to
woman,
strasburger,
councilwoman
gross
councilman,
wilson
and
finally
councilman
coghill
and
then
I'll
give
some
final
remarks.
M
N
Wonderful,
thank
you.
I
also
want
to
thank
the
speakers
for
coming
out
and
to
say
that,
as
I've
said
before,
I
think
it's
it's
energizing
and
it's
moving.
How
many
people
are
engaging
in
public
comment
at
our
council
meetings
at
our
public
hearings
and
contacting
us
on
email
by
phone
call
sending
us
petitions
sending
us
handwritten
notes.
So
I
really
want
to
thank
the
public
in
driving
this
conversation
forward.
You
are
succeeding
in
making
sure
that
we
are
prioritizing
this
discussion,
and
this
is
just
the
beginning.
N
I
think,
as
many
people
realize,
we
have
a
number
of
other
post
agendas
and
public
hearings
and
we
will
continue
to
kind
of
drive
this
conversation
around
legislative
changes
that
need
to
happen
and
also
budgetary
changes
that
the
people
are
calling
for.
N
So
it's
going
to
if
this
isn't
the
end
so-
and
these
are
these-
aren't
the
only
legislative
changes
that
council
members
will
be
bringing
forward
so
know
that
as
well,
that
this
is
kind
of
iterative
and
deliberative
in
its
structure
on
purpose,
so
that
you
are
all
heard
and
can
have
a
voice.
So
thank
you
all
for
participating.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilman
wilson.
O
O
I
appreciate
having
your
you
know,
sitting
here,
having
hearing
your
voice
and
looking
forward
to
tomorrow,
I
don't
have
much
to
say,
but
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
the
discussion
tomorrow
and
to
see
where
we're
at,
to
really
show
the
public,
where
the
city's
at
with
some
of
these
bills
already,
and
you
know
how
this
will
improve
the
police
relations
and
what
and
what
can
what
you
know,
what
within
our
power
can
we
have
done
that
will
be,
you
know,
essentially,
more
accountability
and
better
community
relations
in
the
future.
O
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
P
You
know
I
was
really
happy
to
hear
you
were
talking
to
the
police
and
not
at
the
police,
who
me
you
had
wendell
historic
and
scott
schubert
and
they're
in
full
agreement
of
that.
I
think
that's
very
important
through
everything
that
we're
going
to
do
here.
You
know
obviously
we're
going
to
have
changes
and
we
need
changes
when
it
comes
to
demilitarizing
the
police
or
defunding
the
police,
I'm
going
to
reserve
judgment
until
we
actually
talk
to
the
police
and
we
have
them
at
the
table.
P
You
know
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
horse's
mouth
I'd
like
to
know
what
they
need,
and
you
know
what
what
possible
responsibilities
we
can
take
off
of
them.
I
had
a
hostage
situation
here
in
beechview
just
the
other
day,
and
I
got
to
tell
you
I
can't
I
can't
say
enough
about
what
the
pittsburgh
police
did.
They
blocked
the
roads
off.
They
just
had
everything
completely
under
control
calming
neighbors
directing
traffic.
P
Now
I
would
say
there
was
probably
about
30
police
officers
there.
You
know
so
questions
like
that
are
going
to
be
hard
questions.
Is
that
necessary?
Could
we
send
a
social
worker
there
well
turns
out
the
woman
had
a
knife
so
that
changes
that
changes
it.
So
I
do
want
to
say
I
I
really
look
forward
to
talking
at
the
post
agendas
with
the
pittsburgh
police.
I
think
number
one.
We
got
to
talk
policies,
tactics
and
procedures,
I'm
really
proud
of
the
pittsburgh
police
what
they
did
through
our
protest.
P
I
think
it
could
really
be
used
as
a
model
other
than
one
incident,
and
you
know
so
so
I
I
really
look
forward
to
that
conversation
and
rev,
I'm
here.
It's
a
listening
tour
for
me
right
now,
but
I
plan
to
be
very
involved.
So
thanks
for
your
leadership.
B
So
let
me
just
say
a
couple
of
quick
things.
I
want
to
thank
director
his
rich
and
chief
schubert
for
their
partnership
and
having
these
conversations,
I
I
think
I'm
not
sure
if
any
of
you
are
I'm
now
talking
about
my
age.
B
Now
when
I
first
came
on
council,
we
introduced
legislation
for
the
police
to
report
to
produce
an
annual
report,
and
it
took
us
18
months
of
negotiation
to
get
that
passed,
I'm
actually
working
with
the
police
over
18
months
until
we
came
to
a
place
that
we
could
both
agree,
and
so
I
think,
that's
probably
I
mean
we
go
forward.
The
conversation
is
really
not
about
the
police.
B
Pittsburgh
has
in
many
ways
since
I've
been
a
member
of
council,
it
has
changed
its
police
force
in
many
many
ways
from
cameras
and
cars
and
cameras
on
officers
to
shot
spotter
and
to
implicit
bias,
training
that
we
have
been
leading
the
way
of
trained
officers
to
be
more
responsive
to
the
community,
and
I
I
know
that
I
think
the
real
conversation
that
we
have
to
have
is
what
does
policing
look
like
moving
forward?
B
You
know
it's
not
a
question
of
simply
either
or
we
know
that
we
need
protection
and
police
play
a
vital
role.
At
the
same
time,
we
know
we
also
have
to
invest
in
the
root
causes
of
poverty,
of
root
causes
of
violence,
which
include
poverty
under
education
and
systematic
racism.
So
really
the
question
is
moving
forward
and
it's
really
a
council
question
really.
You
know
what
do
we
prioritize?
B
How
do
we
spend
our
money?
Our
budget
is
a
statement
of
our
priorities,
and
so
the
tough
conversation
is
not
going
to
happen
really
even
today
or
at
this
bed
legislation.
The
real
hard
conversation
happens
after
recess
right
as
we
begin
to
move
the
financial
picture
of
the
city
given
kovic
19.
What
are
our
priorities?
What
are
essentials?
What
do
we
invest
in,
and
so
I'm
going
to
have
that
conversation?
I
think
it's
a
good
conversation
to
have
all
of
us
love
our
city.
B
I
think
all
of
us
love
all
of
our
residents,
and
so
we
have
to
decide
together
was
in
the
best
interest
of
our
city,
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you
to
make
that
happen
again.
I
want
to
thank
the
clerk
david
finer,
the
cable
bureau,
all
those
people
who
helped
make
this
a
public
hearing
happen
with
that.
Is
there
any
other
conversation?