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Description
Pittsburgh Water & Sewer Authority / ALCOSAN
A
Hello
and
welcome
to
the
city
council
of
pittsburgh's
budget
hearings
for
2020
on
the
2021
budget.
My
name
is
deborah
gross
and
I
am
the
council
member
for
district
seven,
and
I
am
the
chair
of
intergovernmental
authorities
and
at
today's
budget
hearing
we
will
be
talking
to
the
pittsburgh
water
and
sewer
authority
and
the
elkesan
authority,
which
is
the
allegheny
county
sanitary
authority.
A
B
B
The
recent
improved
cooperation
agreement
has
changed
the
structure,
the
relationship
between
the
city
and
the
authority
and
is
reflected
in
the
2021
budget
in
a
number
of
different
places.
One
revenue,
pwsa
indirect
costs,
six
million,
seven
hundred
and
forty
one
thousand
three
hundred
twenty
dollars.
That's
the
same
as
twenty
twenty
in
2018
and
prior.
This
was
an
uncalculated
yearly
payment
of
7.15
million
dollars.
B
B
B
B
A
B
A
Members
have
a
little
cheat
sheet
of
your
numbers
next
to
us
that
you
emailed
to
us
so
just
for
information
for
viewers.
If
you
want
to
pull
up
these
attachments
as
we
go.
Similarly,
with
the,
I
believe
the
presentation
we're
about
to
see
what
I'll
have
everyone
do
from
pwsa
is
introduce
themselves
we're
joined
by
councilman
wilson.
C
We
are
the
pittsburgh
water
and
sewer
authority,
and
while
we
do
have
cost
share
items
in
the
city's
operating
budget,
our
budget
is
approved
by
our
board
of
directors,
of
which
councilwoman
erica
strasberger
is
a
member,
and
our
rates
within
the
last
few
years
are
now
approved
on
a
final
basis
from
the
pennsylvania
public
utility
commission.
So
we
have
several
different
stakeholders
who
weigh
in
on
where
we
take
our
ratepayer
dollars
and
invest
them
within
our
system.
C
C
As
the
quote
says,
the
the
future
of
pwsa
is
very
exciting.
I
would
say
that's
an
understatement.
We
have
made
a
tremendous
amount
of
progress.
I
will
say
that
we
have
a
lot
of
work
ahead
of
us
with
respect
to
our
the
capital
investments
that
we
need
to
make
to
upgrade
our
system
after
decades
of
of
just
not
making
those
investments
and
where
we're
catching
up
with
regulatory
requirements,
and
we
will
go
into
some
of
those.
C
So
we
can
go
ahead
and
advance
to
the
next
slide
jen
in
terms
of
highlights.
Since
the
last
time
we
visited
with
you,
we
have
a
lot
of
good
news
with
respect
to
lead
and
water
and
our
lead
line
replacement
program.
In
april
of
2019,
we
received
approval
from
the
pennsylvania
department
of
environmental
protection
to
begin
using
orthophosphate
in
our
treated
drinking
water,
and
this
is
an
additive
that
a
lot
of
other
nearby
utilities
and
utilities
nationally
that
have
lead
service
lines
use
as
part
of
their
treatment
process.
C
It
protects
the
water
from
lead
service
lines
and
it
does
take
time
to
be
effective,
which
is
why,
if
you
look
at
this
graph,
we
that
that
point
that
orangish
dot
is
when
we
began
applying
it,
and
we
see
a
steady
trend
downward
after
that.
So
we
as
a
matter
of
compliance
tested
at
least
100
homes
with
lead
service
lines.
Every
six
months
and
in
july
we
announced
the
results
of
that
second
round,
which
was
well
below
the
epa
led
action
level.
C
So
that
really
meant
that
we
were
in
compliance
with
water
quality
standards,
something
that
we
hadn't
been
since
june
of
2016..
That
was
a
major
accomplishment
due
to
water
treatment.
Now,
on
a
parallel
side,
we
are
replacing
lead
service
lines
very
aggressively,
not
only
just
to
meet
our
regulatory
obligation.
We
have
a
consent
order
with
the
department
of
environmental
protection
that
dictates
how
many
lines
we
need
to
replace
and
the
annual
replacement
requirement
was
855
lines
per
year
per
12-month
period.
It
was
a
calendar
year
and
we
blew
that
out
of
the
water.
C
We
replaced
multiple
thousands
of
lead
service
lines
and
we
did
it
the
right
way.
I
do
want
a
credit
councilwoman
deb
gross,
who
served
on
our
board
as
we
established
our
lead
service
line,
replacement
program
that
prohibited
partial
lead
service
line
replacements,
which
is
a
situation
where
pwsa
only
owns
part
of
the
line,
and
if
we
only
replaced
part
of
a
lead
line
and
left
the
other
part
intact,
you
can
actually
cause
a
negative
consequence
with
respect
to
water
quality.
So
we
we've
made
a
tremendous
amount
of
progress
there.
C
C
We
continue
to
add
talent
to
our
team,
as
I
mentioned,
that
the
team
looks
slightly
different
than
it
did
a
year
ago,
but
at
the
middle
manager
project
manager
level,
we
are
continuing
to
grow
and
recruit
skilled
engineers,
skilled
project
managers,
skilled
operators
who
operate
our
two
treatment
plants.
So
the
you
know
the
recognition
that
over
time
we
did
lose
quite
a
few
people
lost
a
lot
of
institutional
knowledge
out
of
the
organization.
C
We
are
now
ramping
back
up
to
appropriate
levels,
not
only
just
to
operate
the
system,
but
to
help
us
deliver
these
capital
projects
that
are
going
to
be
very
high
dollar
amounts
and
very
complicated.
So
that
goes
to
the
third
bullet,
we're
advancing
our
construction
activity
year
over
year
over
the
last
three
years.
We
are
spending
in
delivering
a
lot
more
than
we
ever
have
before.
C
That
requires
staffing
that
requires
additional
resources,
additional
borrowing
and
all
the
things
that
come
along
with
that,
and
you
know
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
had
several
recognitions
within
the
last
few
years
from
our
peers.
We
are
designated
a
utility
of
the
future
from
several
it's
actually
several
associations,
one
is
the
water
environment
federation,
the
national
association
of
clean
water
agencies
and
the
association
for
metropolitan
water
agencies.
C
They
have
a
designation
called
utility
of
the
future,
and
that
is
a
designation
that
you
have
to
apply,
for
it
is
difficult
to
achieve
and
we
received
it
largely
in
part
due
to
our
outreach
and
education
efforts
that
we
have
spent
a
tremendous
amount
of
time
recently
trying
to
roll
out,
and
we
have
had
some
success.
Obviously
I
know
we
can
improve
there
too
and
then,
finally,
our
transition
to
the
public
utility
commission.
As
I
mentioned,
this
is
relatively
new
to
the
authority.
C
Previously
our
board
of
directors
established
rates
and
they
were
approved,
and
then
we
we
put
them
into
our
billing
system
and
charged
our
customers.
Accordingly,
we
now
have
a
what
really
amounts
to
a
nine-month
process
where
we
put
forward
a
proposal
to
the
pennsylvania
public
utility
commission.
There
are
several
intervening
parties
that
weigh
in
on
that
proposal.
C
The
last
several
rate
cases
we
have
reached
settlement
with
those
intervening
parties
and
then
the
public
utility
commission
is
expected
to
finally
bless
those
rate
changes.
So
a
different
governance
system,
along
with
rate
making.
They
also
set
us
a
slew
of
performance
standards
that
we
have
to
meet.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
interactions
with
the
public
utility
commission
that
we
spend
a
tremendous
amount
of
time
working
on,
and
I
will,
I
have
to
say
it's
an
administrative
burden,
but
it
has
made
us
better.
We
can
go
ahead
to
the
next
slide.
C
C
So,
just
to
just
quickly
touch
on
covet
19
and
its
impacts
on
pwsa
and
our
operations
like
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
For
those
of
us
who
can
work
at
home,
we
are
working
at
home
and
this
includes
representatives
in
our
contact
center.
We
have
closed
down
our
in-person
bill
pay.
Essentially,
our
our
headquarters
at
1200,
penn
avenue,
is
no
longer
occupied
until
we
feel
that
it's
safe
to
return
before
we,
you
know,
have
the
expertise
of
public
health
officials
to
allow
us
to
return.
But
a
tremendous
amount
of
our
employees
remain
working.
C
These
are
our
central
employees.
They
make
up
about
two-thirds
of
our
entire
workforce.
They
operate
our
two
treatment
plants
and
they
work
on
our
water
and
sewer
systems
out
in
the
field,
so
they
have
continued
to
work
through
the
pandemic
there.
There
was
a
time
you
know
initially,
when
we
were
still
kind
of
wrapping
our
heads
around
the
risks
that
we
were
getting
creative
with
shift
changes,
but
we
are
now
at
full
staffing
levels.
C
I
do
want
to
tip
my
hat
to
all
of
these
individuals
who
are
dedicated
to
providing
services
to
all
of
our
residents.
In
obviously
very
unpredictable
and
challenging
circumstances
and
they're
meeting
that
challenge
each
day,
as
as
the
rest
of
us
continue
to
deliver
working
from
home,
and
I
will
say,
issues
like
our
contact
center
in
our
engineering
projects.
C
They
are
all
advancing,
even
though
that
we're
working
remotely
and
that's
a
testament
to
the
good
people
we
have
on
our
team
with
respect
to
our
engineering
and
construction
projects,
again
much
like
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
we
did
have
about
a
month
month
and
a
half
delay
when
programs
and
projects
taking
construction
projects
outside
were
really
halted.
We
got
back
up
to
speed
as
soon
as
some
of
those
restrictions
were
lifted
and
we're
again
gonna
break
our
records
in
terms
of
construction
activity.
C
Although
there
are
some
projects
that
we
were
hoping,
we
would
have
wrapped
up
at
the
end
of
this
construction
season
that
will
have
to
bleed
into
the
next
season.
But
I
will
say:
we've
we've
made
really
good
use
of
a
challenging
circumstance
and
that's
a
testament
to
our
construction
management
group
and
our
engineering
department.
C
We
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide,
jen,
so
customer
assistance.
This
is
an
area,
as
was
touched
upon
in
our
2030
plan
mission
statement.
It
has
been
a
focus
of
this
utility
again,
a
testament
to
our
board
and
their
leadership
that
we
recognized
as
we
began
to
increase
rates,
which
was
generally
recognized
as
a
must,
because
we
needed
those
resources
to
be
able
to
make
investments
that
had
been
deferred
for
so
long
that
we
needed
to
look
out
for
the
customers
who
may
not
be
able
to
afford
those
increases.
C
Most
recently,
we
have
extended
the
shut
off
moratorium.
It
was
once
a
program
that
was
limited
to
winter
months
because
of
the
concern
about
water
actually
supplying
the
heat
inside
of
homes
and
in
some
of
the
sanitary
conditions
that
can
be
more
prevalent
during
winter
months,
the
public
utility
commission
banned
all
shutoffs
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic.
C
They
have
laxed
or
loosened
some
of
those
rules,
but
our
board
of
directors
and
our
management
team
have
agreed
that
we
are
not
going
to
move
forward
on
any
residential
service
shutoffs
due
to
not
payment
until
next
spring
at
the
very
earliest,
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
monitor
that.
We
recognize
just
not
turning
people
off,
isn't
the
only
solution.
C
We
need
to
get
more
resources
into
our
customers,
hands
to
be
able
to
make
them
get
current
on
their
bills,
which
is
why
we
offer
a
bill
discount
program
and
we
expect
some
improvements
to
that
bill
discount
program
as
we
launch
new
rates,
hopefully
early
next
year,
pending
puc
commission
approval,
but
the
bill
discount
program.
It's
a
75
reduction
in
the
fixed
charges
on
bills.
C
But
given
that
we're
not
shutting
people
off
we're
making
this
program
available
to
anyone
with
the
rear
edges-
and
we
also
have
income
based
programs
for
anybody
interested
in
getting
their
lead
service
line
replaced,
I
will
put
a
plug
out
there
if
anybody
is
interested
in
getting
their
lead
service
line
replaced.
There
is
a
program
for
you
that
will
provide
some
incentive
or
assistance
right
now,
and
that
is
new.
C
C
E
E
You
can
see
the
pie
chart
there
and
then
to
the
left
of
that,
in
addition
to
the
blurbs
that
are
coming
out
of
each
pie,
chart
the
associated
expense,
the
largest
expenses
that
you'll
see
there.
The
first
is
alka-san
and
really
what
that
is,
is
that's
the
pass-through
of
the
collections
that
we
make
and
then
remit
to
alka-san.
E
E
Next,
we'll
get
into
the
direct
operating
expenses
which
you
see
there
in
the
gray
on
the
pie
chart
that
really
represents
our
chemicals,
our
operating
contracts,
those
types
of
expenses
that
really
keep
the
system
running
and
that
are
required
in
order
to
maintain
our
level
of
service
and
then
from
there
really
just
to
round
it
out.
You'll,
see
the
salaries
and
benefits
which
go
hand
in
hand
with
our
increased
staffing
levels
to
modernize
the
system.
So
that's
included
in
this
budget
as
well.
E
We
have
to
submit
a
plan
to
the
puc
that
outlines
exactly
how
all
of
those
monies
will
be
spent
for
this
new
charge
and
then
the
expense
you
see
here
is
the
associated
expenses
for
that
charge
and
the
reason
it's
equitable
is
because
any
amounts
that
we
collect
that
are
not
expended
on
the
system.
Being
those
approved
list
of
projects
puc
approved.
E
Next
slide
jen,
please,
some
of
the
high
level
highlights
of
the
budget.
First
and
foremost,
it's
a
balanced
budget.
So
obviously
it's
a
tough
circumstance
and
environment
right
now
with
kovid,
but
we
believe
you
know,
given
our
our
revenues
to
date
and
our
projected
revenue
is
moving
forward,
that
we
will
have
a
balanced
budget
with
the
expenses
that
we
outlined
in
the
prior
slide.
E
We
will
continue
to
strengthen
the
financial
health
of
the
pwsa.
That
is
one
area,
especially
within
the
past
two
to
three
years.
That
has
drastically
improved.
Among
others
within
the
organization-
and
that
really
just
goes
to
a
testament
of
codifying
all
of
our
processes
putting
in
policies
in
place
to
help
sustain
and
keep
the
organization
moving
forward
on
the
financial
front.
E
E
You
know
all
improvements
throughout
the
system
as
long
as
meeting
our
regulatory
requirements,
our
puc
requirements,
all
those
large
obligations
that
we
need
to
fund
moving
forward
or
in
this
plan
slide
here
you
can
see
this
is
over
the
next
five
years.
This
is
our
projected
spend
levels
for
our
capital
improvement
plan.
E
E
Our
sewer
improvements,
reservoir
improvements,
water
treatment,
plant
improvements-
you
know,
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
it,
but
given
over
the
next
five
years,
we
believe
we
have
a
plan
in
place
to
tackle
all
those
large
issues.
Slide.
John
talk
a
little
bit
more
about,
what's
included
in
the
plan
on
a
high
level,
as
I
alluded
to
it
is
a
diverse
capital
plan,
meaning
that
we're
attacking
different
elements
of
the
system
through
this
plan.
E
E
We
also
have
various
government
funding
programs
that
includes
pen
best,
which
we've
partnered,
with
on
a
number
of
projects,
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
so.
Moving
forward,
we've
also
submitted
a
letter
of
interest
for
the
wiffia
program,
which
is
a
program
funded
by
the
epa
fund.
Various
you
know,
projects
throughout
your
water
and
sewer
system
and
specifically
with
that
program
or
that
letter
of
interest
we're
looking
to
fund
our
clearwall
replacement,
with
with
you
monies
and
again
that
that's
still
to
be
determined.
E
This
is
really
funding
shorter
term
useful
life
assets
with
current
year
revenues
and
the
reason
you
do
that
is
because
you
don't
want
to
bond
fund,
or
you
know,
put
out
a
future
liability
to
pay
debt
for
30
years
for
an
asset
that
you
need
to
replace
after
seven
years
or
10
years.
So
really
it
looks
at
that
useful
life
approach
and
making
sure
that
we're
not
over
leveraging
ourselves
as
we
move
forward
and
then
the
last
bullet
here
talks
about
our
strong
credit
rating
with
the
various
rating
agencies.
E
We
are
currently
rated
by
moody's
and
s
p,
and
I
can
tell
you
over
the
past
two
years
and
you
can
go
look
at
their
reports
to
support
this,
but
you
know
they
really
have
taken
a
liking
to
our
improvement
on
our
financial
front,
but
also
our
ability
to
tackle
lead
issues,
our
other
regulatory
requirements
with
the
puc,
so
they're
really
starting
to
see
that
result
and
that
you
know
that
improvements
that
we're
making
and
again
we
look
to
support
that
moving
forward
next
slide.
John
this
slide
here.
E
This
is
the
last
slide
that
I'll
go
over.
This
is
a
pure
comparison
of
the
outstanding
debt
with
various
other
comparable
water
utilities,
either
in
this
region
or
or
really
on
this
side
of
the
country
and
really
what
the
point
here
of
this
slide
is
is
to
show
you
that
this
is
a
capital
intensive
industry,
that
being
the
water
and
sewer
utility
space.
E
Really
most
projects
are
the
you
know
that
you
achieve,
or
you
complete,
have
a
long,
useful
life
and
so
for
that
most
of
those
aspects
or
most
of
those
projects
are
funded
with
that.
So
you
have
an
intergenerational
equity
component
to
your
your
capital
plan,
and
what
that
really
means
is
that
you
know
if
we're
paying
on
debt
for
30
years.
Future
generations,
who
are
you
know,
resulting
from
the
benefits
of
the
improvements
that
we've
made
years
ago,
are
still
paying
into
the
system
via
future
debt
service
payments.
E
And
so
you
can
see
that
here.
Obviously
a
lot
of
the
other
utilities
that
we're
comparing
to
have
a
larger
outstanding
debt
levels
than
the
pwsa
does,
and
the
main
driver
of
that
is
we're
really
in
a
makeup
period.
Here,
where
we
have
where
we
have
had
a
level
of
disinvestment
over
the
past
10
15
20
years,
and
because.
E
Is
you
know,
you
know
not
thought
through
well
enough,
for
our
rate
payers
point
being
is
that
this
is
to
be
expected,
given
the
work
that
we're
doing
and
any
opportunities
we
have
moving
forward
to
cut
back
on
our
debt
levels
or
really
to
reduce
costs
to
our
rate
payers.
We're
going
to
continue
to
do
so
again.
I
just
point
that
out
just
because
again,
given
the
you
know
the
comparables
in
our
area,
it
is
a
lot
different
from
the
other
utilities
in
the
region.
E
A
Don't
usually
interrupt
their
presentations,
but
since
you're
on
this
slide-
and
you
are
spending
some
time
on
it,
I
can't
help
but
notice
that
some
cities
are
paying
like
10
debt
service
on
their
long-term
debt
and
we're
only
paying
about
five.
Am
I
doing
my
math
right
so
long
term?
Debt
for
pwc
is
at
you
know,
close
to
a
million
or
close
to
a
billion
right.
Am
I
reading
that
right.
E
A
E
Just
looking
at
these
numbers
alone,
isn't
going
to
tell
the
whole
story
on
what
the
interest
rates
are,
that
they're,
paying
the
reason
being
is
there
could
be
a
number
of
shorter
debt
issuances
that
are
lumped
into
that
long
long-term
debt
number
that
have
a
lower
interest
rate.
There
could
be
some
larger
debt
obligations
that
have
a
higher
interest
rate.
E
So
I
think,
on
that
front,
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
make
a
judgment
on
the
interest.
However,
I
will
say
that
the
debt
service
payments
that
you
see
there
and
that's
the
annual
amounts
you'll
see
for
cleveland
water.
It's
about
67,
68
million,
the
northeast
ohio
region,
up
94,
95
million,
that
represents
the
annual
debt
service
payments,
and
so
I
think,
obviously,
as
you
go
across
and
you
look
at
the
other
utilities,
the
higher
the
long-term
debt
number,
the
increased
debt
service-
and
you
know
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
see
moving
forward.
A
E
E
A
Know
great
okay,
so
you
can
take
this
screen
off
jen
and
great,
and
I
can
look
and
see
who's
still
with
us.
We
still
have
councilman
strasberger,
who
is
on
the
authority
board
councilman
wilson,
I'm
not
seeing
anyone
else
right
now,
councilwoman
smith
joined
us
so
I'll.
Let
councilwoman
erica
strasburger
go
first
to
member
of
the
authority
board
and
councilman.
Do
you
have
any
questions?
A
G
G
Councilman
gross,
thank
you
for
sharing
this
hearing
and
for
the
ones
this
morning.
I
wanted
to
also
thank
the
those
representing
the
usa
for
the
excellent
briefing
today,
and
this
is
information
that
you
know
as
a
board
member
I've
heard
before,
but
I
always
I
always
always
learn
something
when
I
hear
the
budget
briefings
from
the
authorities,
so
I
appreciate
it.
I
I
mostly
wanted
to
note
that
you
know
just
kind
of
reiterate
what
director
pickering
had
said
earlier.
G
I
I
recognized
that
you
know
the
authority
wouldn't
be
where
it
was
where
it
is
today,
without
strong
leadership
in
the
past
several
years,
and
that
includes
previous
board
members
like
councilman
gross
and
and
really
ensuring
that
things
that
you
know
that
we
righted
this
shift
and
really
started
investing
in
our
infrastructure.
After
years
of
disinvestment.
G
G
I,
I
guess
the
only
question
I
have
is
to
provide
an
opportunity
to
the
public,
because
I
continue
to
get
this
question
from
people,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
public
who
is
tuning
in
or
that
I
can
direct
to
this.
The
recording
of
this
meeting
has
the
opportunity
to
hear
from
you
all
about
when
there
are
concerns
about
our
water
remaining
public
and
publicly
owned
and
operated.
G
It's
that
it's
not
just
a
commitment
from
this
council
and
it's
not
just
a
commitment
from
pwsa
leadership,
and
it's
not
just
a
verbal
commitment
that
there
are
actually
you
know
things
committing
both
entities
to
that.
If
someone
could
speak
a
little
bit
to
that
and
what
is
really
rounding,
this
commitment
that
might
be
helpful
for
the
public
to
hear.
C
I'd
be
I'd,
be
happy
to
to
take
a
stab
at
it,
and
I
invite
my
team
to
back
me
up
afterward
and
thank
you
for
those
remarks.
Councilwoman
you're,
absolutely
right.
There's
been
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
over
the
last
few
years
to
get
us
to
the
point
where
we
are
in
today
and
and
like
I
said
we
by
no
means
think
that
the
our
work
is
over.
There's
a
lot
more
ahead
of
us
with
respect
to
public
ownership
and
control.
C
So
there
there
is
a
there
was
sort
of
a
legislative
maneuver
for
that
agreement
to
to
be
approved
by
the
legislature
and
signed
by
the
governor
versus
approved
by
the
public
utility
commission,
so
that
is
spelled
out
that
the
asset
will
remain
publicly
owned
and
operated,
and
that
is
in
addition
to,
like
you,
alluded
to
our
commitment
as
a
leadership
team.
It's
something
I
believe
strongly
in
it's
one
of
the
reasons
I
joined
pwsa
in
2016,
and
you
know
throughout
our
organization.
We
believe
we
can
do
this
without
private
intervention.
C
G
C
I'd
be
happy
to
so.
The
responsibility
for
sewers
and
in
sewage
is
a
joint
collaboration
that
we
have
with
alka-san.
So
pwsa
owns
the
the
systems,
what
we
call
sewer,
conveyance,
the
sewer
pipes
that
carry
sewage
to
alka-san
for
treatment,
and
because
we
are
an
older
city
we
are
designed
for
about
two-thirds
of
our
system.
It
isn't
just
create
it
isn't
just
carrying
sewage
and
our
waste.
C
C
C
We
want
to
look
into
some
of
the
hard
science
behind
this.
How
much
are
we
able
to
capture
using
non-traditional,
green
infrastructure
methods
and
and
what
might
need
to
be
approached
with
a
more
traditional
engineering
perspective
in
mind?
It's
our
preference
to
to
do
a
hybrid
approach
and
utilize
green
infrastructure
when
possible,
because
I
think
most
most
agree
that
there
are
triple
bottom
line
benefits
of
those
investments
compared
to
a
pipe
buried
beneath
the
ground
and
forgotten
about
for
the
next
100
years.
C
C
Okay,
you
know:
do
we
need
to
be
designing
for
a
storm
event
of
one
and
a
half
inches
within
an
hour
or
something
other
than
that,
because
we
know
that
we've
received,
you
know
a
few
sequential
years
with
record
rainfall
and
if
that
picks
up,
then
we
need
to
before
we
make
the
investment
make
sure
that
we're
we're
doing
it
wisely
and
all
these
things
have
costs
and
we're
gonna
need
to
be
able
to
educate
the
public.
So
we're
looking
for
this.
C
What
we're
calling
this
the
master
plan
to
kind
of
grab
all
those
pieces
together,
set
out
our
future
and
vision.
You
know
it's
gonna,
be
beyond
pwsa,
we're
hoping
to
collaborate
with
philanthropic
organizations
who
are
interested
in
this
and
work
in
this
space
and
also
work
closely
with
the
city,
because
the
city
ultimately
still
owns
the
assets
and
have
also
some
regulatory
responsibilities
that
are
independent
of
pwsa
for
stormwater
issues.
G
Great
thank
you
for
going
over.
All
of
that.
I
know
that
was
a
lot
to
condense,
into
a
small,
a
small
little
explanation.
So
I
have
no
other
questions.
I
mostly
wanted
to
to
raise
those
couple
of
issues
that
both
other
council
members
and
public
might
have
been
curious
about,
but
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
the
the
chair
and
my
council.
Colleagues
thanks
so
much.
A
Thank
you
councilwoman
I
have
councilman.
Wilson
has
been
waiting,
but
councilman.
The
our
president
smith,
has
a
conflict
coming
up
at
2
30..
Do
you
mind
if
I
take
her
questions
first,
I
think
they'll
be
brief
and
then
we
can
get
to
you
next
appreciate
it.
Yes,
president
smith,
can
you
hear
me
please,
please
we'd
love
to
have
your
questions
now.
F
Thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you
councilman
wilson,
for
yielding
your
time
to
me.
I
just
really
have
the
same
question.
I've
had
last
year
and
the
year
before
it's
about
the
banksville
flooding
and
the
project
there
in
the
budget.
The
green
infrastructure
funding
is
that
included
in
anything
that
you'll
be
doing,
and
how
much
is
that
that
amount
you
have
for
green
infrastructure.
C
F
F
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
it
a
little
bit
today,
because
it
was
from
one
of
the
residents
who
actually
works
for
the
attorney
general
and
if
you
recall
his,
the
attorney
general
had
a
vehicle
flooded
in
his
driveway,
and
he
just
mentioned
how
it
was
just
criminal
how
this
has
gone
on
for
so
long
and
what
these
residents
had
to
deal
with.
I
mean
this
is
raw
sewage
in
their
homes,
their
nerves.
F
I
mean
the
anxiety
level
every
time
it
rains
and
what
what
we've
done
to
all
to
say
that
we're
for
green
infrastructure
and
meanwhile
we're
not
even
sure
that
this
is
the
right
solution
and-
and
it
was
designed,
I
believe
by
the
former
director-
and
I
know
that
you
inherited
a
lot
of
this.
But
when
you
say
you
want
to
have
it
finished,
I
want
to
know
what's
the
time
frame
for
this
year
and
will
be
completed.
C
F
So
when
you
say
you
need
to
work
in
their
properties,
you
want
them
to
also
pay
for
it,
and
no
that's
that's
not
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
what
you
they
were
being
charged
going
to
be
charged,
I
think,
was
between
25
and
50
000
dollars
per
home
for
some
of
the
work.
So
maybe
you
weren't
part
of
that,
but
that's
what
was
the
last
thing?
F
So
yes,
so
when
they
say
when
they
hear
that
you
want
to
work
inside
they,
they
are
anxious
because
they've
been
they've
been
already
been
told
that
they
were
going
to
have
to
bear
some
of
the
cost.
For
this
and
and
and
it
wasn't
it
wasn't
their
doing.
I
mean
they,
they
were
flooding,
and
this
was
the
solution
and
the
solution
ended
up
destroying
I
mean
their
homes.
Look
terrible
in
the
front.
They'll
never
be
able
to
sell
those
properties
for
what
they're
worth
and
banks
bill
properties
are
going
through
the
roof
there.
F
Theirs
will
not,
and
I
just
think
it's
terrible.
It's
unconscionable,
we've
allowed
to
happen
and,
and
have
it
and
has
continued
to
have,
you
know
can
go
on
for
years.
I
mean
we
didn't
just
do
this.
This
wasn't
just
an
issue
for
a
little
bit
I
mean
when
I
was
first
elected.
Dnd
was
the
chair
of
pwsa.
So
that's
how
long
ago
this
goes
back,
and
I
asked
him
at
the
time
to
put
money
in
to
help
take
care
of
this.
The
flooding
issue.
He
did
his
part.
F
F
We
started
getting,
the
residents
started,
getting
some
attention
and
you
got
on
board
and
other
people,
and
so
we
had
some
hope
and
councilwoman
gross
and
councilwoman
and
roman
strasburger
have
been
amazing
on
the
board.
I
want
to
thank
them
for
their
service
because
they've
both
been
amazing,
but
at
the
same
time
these
poor
residents
are
still
going
through
this
I
mean
it's
just
it's
unbelievable
to
me,
and
these
are
our
own
city
workers.
F
These
are
our
firefighters,
our
police
officers,
people
that
work
for
the
u.s
attorney,
I'm
sorry
for
the
state
attorney
general
people
that
work
for
our
pittsburgh,
public
schools
and
and
work
with
the
disability
community.
It's
just
unbelievable
to
me
what
we've
allowed
to
happen
well,
they're
taking
care
of
everybody
else,
we're
allowing
their
property
to
be
totally
destroyed,
because
we
has
just
haven't,
put
the
time
and
effort
real
effort
into
this,
and
it's
not
been
a
real
commitment.
We
say
that
we're
going
to
do
it.
We
do
a
little
bit
here
a
little
bit
there.
F
C
As
I
was
saying,
some
of
that's
contingent
on
participation
from
the
homeowners,
but
I
will
get
you
a
schedule
for
when
we
get
those
on-site
meetings,
we're
not
asking
them
to
there.
There
are
investments
they
can
make,
as
anyone
can
with
an
individual
property
to
flood
proof.
But
the
work
that
we're
suggesting
is
installing
a
valve
on
the
sewer
lateral
to
prevent
sewage
from
backing
into
the
to
the
property,
whether
it
be
the
basement
or
or
their
driveway
drain.
So
so.
F
F
F
A
H
Yes,
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
director,
pickering
and,
and
everyone
is
joining
on
your
end.
I
appreciate
the
the
presentation-
and
I
noticed
in
the
presentation
that
you
you
mentioned
the
the
rate
for
three
thousand
gallons,
and
I
believe
that
some
program
that
you
we're
talking
about
how
you
can
get
it
down
to
41
dollars
is
that,
based
on
a
certain
percent
of
income.
C
Yes,
it's
right
now
under
our
current
rates,
you're
eligible
for
that
monthly
discount,
if
you're
at
or
below
150
of
the
federal
poverty
level-
and
we
are
if
our
rate
case
is
accepted
in
which
we-
hopefully
you
know
in
the
next
few
weeks,
we'll
get
final
word
from
the
commission,
we're
going
to
make
some
changes
to
make
that
program
a
little
more
generous
and
actually
offer
a
deeper
discount
for
the
very
low
income.
But
right
now
that's
how
it's
that's
structured,
okay,.
C
In
all
likelihood
that
that
could
be
the
case,
it
depends
on
their
usage,
so
the
the
monthly
discount
is
now
structured.
We
there
is
part
of
the
builder
is
what
we
call
a
fixed
charge
and
that's
where
the
discount
is
so
you
know,
income
and
usage,
don't
necessarily
marry
up
all
the
time.
You
can
be
lower
income
and
use
more
than
three
thousand.
C
We
use
three
thousand
gallons
per
month
as
our
average
or
typical
residential
property,
but
you
know
that
that
program
that
particular
monthly
discount
is,
is
funded
through
everyone
paying
their
rates.
It
is
a
subsidy
provided
by
our
ratepayers
and
included
in
our
rate
structure.
The
cash
assistance
program
was
funded
from
a
settlement
that
we
had
with
veolia
several
years
back,
and
so
that
is
really
the
only
program
we
have
now.
C
That
is
utilizing
outside
funding,
though
you
know
we
know
so
many
people
during
the
pandemic
have
had
a
hard
time
keeping
current
with
their
bills.
We
don't
expect
that
balance
to
be
available
forever,
so
we
are
encouraging
customers
and
anyone
else
who
is
looking
to
to
be
generous
to
contribute
to
that
fund.
So
it's
sustainable
going
forward.
C
I
don't
I
don't
think
that's
the
the
case
is
is
if
you
look
at
our
bill
and
you
stack
it
up
against
theirs.
I
think
we're
we're
very
close
if
you're
looking
at
the
same
numbers.
One
thing
that's
important
to
remember:
pen
american
only
provides
drinking
water
services,
our
bill
includes
drinking
water,
sewer
conveyance
and
we
collect
the
alka-san
charge
on
their
behalf,
so
that
total
bill
number
may
appear
larger,
but
pet
american
is
just
one
piece
of
that
water
pie.
H
Okay,
no
that's
why
I
asked
the
question.
Someone
actually
sent
me
the
bill
for
86.31
per
3k,
and
that
was
without
the
you
know,
without
the
the
additional
you
know,
cost
of
the
sewage
that
you
mentioned.
But
anyway
I
was
just
curious.
It
was
really
just
a
you
know.
People
are
curious
on
you
know
in
district
one
they
were
calling
into
the
office
about
certain
rates
that
they're
receiving
and
so
I'll
follow
up
with
you
on
just
a
full.
H
I
appreciate
your
comments,
so
I
also
just
want
to
ask
about
the
mainland
projects
that
you
have
going.
You
have.
You
have
ones
that
are
happening
in
in,
in
particular,
brighton
heights,
where
you
just
had
having
some.
You
know
some
delays
and
paving
there
and
you
all
been
very
responsive,
and
you
know
trying
to
you
know,
put
signage
up
and
let
people
know
until
they
get
there
to
to
pave
the
that
section.
But
I
want
to
know,
are
you
running
the
issues
of
you
know
you're
doing
so
much
work?
C
You
know
the
the
only
issues
that
we
have
encountered.
This
construction
season
were
the
delay
in
getting
started,
and
I'd
have
to
look
specifically
that
project
councilman.
I
don't
know
if
that
was
one
that
the
the
pandemic
shutdown
impacted,
but
for
the
majority
of
our
construction
program
we
were
kind
of
behind
the
eight
ball
from
day
one,
since
the
shutdown
was
in
the
spring
and
that's
typically,
when
we
get
shovels
in
the
ground,
we
we
do
have
enough
contractor
capacity
to
to
move
those
projects
forward.
C
H
It's
really
unfair
to
me
to
just
pick
out
one
particular
project
that
was
just
you
know.
You
all
are
doing
so
many
great,
so
much
great
work
all
across
the
district.
I
just
was
curious
because
I
know
on
the
city
side
that
you
know
with
concrete
work
there.
I
have
to
have
contractors
that
are
going
from
one
project
to
the
next
and
didn't
know
if
you
were
running
from
running
into
the
same
issue
on
some
delays
and
the
other
question
I
had
was
when
you
joined
the
the
puc.
H
H
I'd
recently
learned
that
you
know
the
state
said
that
you
weren't
that
there's
they're
not
going
to
account
they're
not
going
to
allow
costs
for
a
landslide
analysis
whenever
you're
doing
green
water
projects.
Can
you
elaborate
on
that?
Like?
Is
that
an
issue
because,
as
like
you
know,
as
the
maybe
on
the
north
side,
district
one?
We
have
so
many
landslides
and
moving
forward
with
any
sort
of
green
water
project
or
any
sort
of
green
project.
H
I
guess
I'm
now
becoming
concerned
about
the
you
know
this,
the
saturation
of
the
the
under
like
any
sort
of
undertowing.
That
could
happen
with
these
landslides,
and
I
just
didn't
know
if
these,
if,
if
you
know
you're
able
all
across
the
city
to
to
do
an
analysis,
landslide
analysis,
like
any
sort
of
you
know,
analysis
prior
to
or
during
the
design.
C
C
Sorry
getting
some
echo
there,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
funding
restrictions
from
the
puc
about.
You
know
if
there's
reason
to
believe
either
where
we're
going
to
build
that
there
might
be
an
issue
with
soils
or
hillsides
that
we
couldn't
use
funds
for.
For
that
analysis,
the
puc
is
really
just
going
to
be
looking
at.
Okay.
Is
there
a
nexus
between
what
you're
working
on
and
your
core
mission
as
a
utility
and
if
it
is
related
to
a
water
or
sewer
or
stormwater
project,
we
should
be
covered
there.
C
H
C
C
Yeah,
that
is
one
of
the
areas
where
we've
made
a
huge
increase
in
our
investment.
It's
really
been
neglected.
Our
sewer
system
is
buried
so
deep
underground
that
it
really
takes
a
massive
failure
for
us
to
know
about
it,
which
is
why
we're
we're
doing
instead
of
replacing
sewers
when
we
can,
we
we
reline
it,
which
is
a
less
invasive
method
that
is
proven
to
be
effective,
and
we,
you
know
ed,
probably
has
the
numbers
at
his
fingertips,
but
we
are
investing
a
lot
more
in
that
we
have
priority
areas.
C
We're
particularly
concerned
about
sewers
that
run
under
structures,
because,
obviously,
if
you
have
a
building
or
a
bridge
or
something
like
that,
you
don't
want
a
collapse
that
could
cause.
You
know
a
huge
impact
and
impact
public
safety,
so
that
that's
where
we're
targeting
now
in
the
immediate
term
and
then
there's
also
some
sewer
related
work.
That's
specifically
tied
to
our
combined
super
overflow
program
and
then
our
friends
at
alka-san,
I'm
sure
would
be
happy
to
talk
about
transfer
of
large
multi-municipal
sewers
too.
So
sewers
are
getting
more
tlc
than
they
probably
ever.
H
A
I
Pwc,
not
really
I
mean,
will,
and
I
talk
often
I
know
they're
they're.
Finally,
getting
the
forbes
avenue
shoreline
done,
which
has
been
30
years
in
the
making.
So
that's
a
good
sign.
I,
my
questions
for
pwc
are
actually
probably
going
to
come
through
domey
when
we
talk
about
the
mon
oakland
connector,
but
other
than
that
I
don't
have
questions.
I
was
just
here
to
see
if
you
wanted
for
alcazam
coming
up
since
I'm
the
chair.
A
A
But
no
you
reminded
me,
I
haven't
asked
my
questions
or
comments
to
pwsa
yet
and
but
you
remind
me
to
give
you
all
with
with
alcazan
a
shout
out
so
they're
in
the
they're
logged
on
to
the
call,
but
with
camera
off,
so
that
they
didn't
have
to
be
on
stage
with
us
here.
The
whole
time.
So
I'll
just
give
you
all
a
heads
up
that,
after
and
after
I'm
finished
we'll
check
final
rounds
and
then
we'll
wrap
up,
pwsa
they'll
go
away
and
then
alka-san
will
will
join
in.
A
Okay,
so
stay
on
the
line,
so
thanks
I'll
just
go
and
make
a
few
comments
and
questions
myself
again.
I
think
that
we
all
concur
that
we're
really
grateful
for
you
all
as
leaders
of
the
authority.
This
is
a
wonderful
leadership
team
and
it's
been
a
long
time
coming
of
not
just
kind
of
rebuilding
the
infrastructure
that
the
authority
owns
but
rebuilding
the
team.
A
We're
really
benefiting
now
from
the
this
turnaround,
and
I
want
to
also
commend
you
for
continuing
the
affordability
programs
and
expanding
them.
That
was
also
a
really
big
addition.
That
was
important
as
we
raised
rates
dramatically
to
try
to
keep
those
rates
as
equitable
as
we
can
there's
some
things
we
can't
do
and
we
continue
to
struggle
with
the
and,
I
hope,
persuade
the
public
utility
commission
to
understand
that
we
need
to
help
in
rebuilding
this
isn't
maintenance
rates.
A
This
is
really
rebuilding
a
system
for
the
next
hundred
years,
and
the
people
who
have
resources
should
pay
that,
but
they
can
afford,
and
there
we
have
customers
who
you
don't,
who
can't
afford
more
and
so
hopefully
to
be
able
to
distribute
those
rates,
obviously,
among
big
institutions
that
are
big
water
users
like
hospitals
and
universities,
who
have
the
capacity
to
pay
it's
my
personal
opinion
that
they
should
pay
more
and
higher
rates,
and
I
hope
that
the
puc
seems
the
same,
and
I
I
am
supposed
to
before.
I
really
start
my
questions.
A
C
Sure,
and
and
as
you
can
imagine
it
it's
a
tall
order
in
any
district
and
across
the
city,
but
we
do
have
a
number
of
projects
underway.
We
have
the
a
really
great
project
in
sawmill
run,
that
is
a
stream
restoration
project.
That's
going
to
help
some
of
the
the
flooding
issues
in
the
lower
lying
areas.
C
I
know
we
have
been
working
quite
a
bit
in
jen's
neck
of
the
woods
on
may
tide
street
and
looking
at
both
sewer
improvements,
as
well
as
above
ground
storage
and
capture
for
some
stormwater
issues
that
they
have
there,
and
I
know
I
am
leaving
a
few
out,
but
it
is
certainly
an
area.
Oh
sorry
mentioned
at
the
outset.
C
The
the
veterans
field
project
is
another
joint
project
with
the
city
where
we
have
the
ability
to
not
only
provide
a
community
benefit
by
improving
the
field,
but
also
incorporating
some
stormwater
elements
there.
So
we
are
engaged
in
in
the
district,
there's,
certainly
more
problems
than
funding
available,
but
we're
doing
our
best
to
prioritize
those
and
address
them.
A
The
target
zones
where
to
at
least
be
the
first
ones
right,
because
we
didn't
have
all
the
money
in
place
right.
We
have
to
start
somewhere
and
that's
usually
true
in
any
big
capital
project.
I
I
have
spent
a
lot
of
time.
I
think
it's
councilman's
wilson
said
talking
to
experts
right
for
the
last
six
seven
years,
I've
been
doing
the
same
thing,
there's
lots
of
opinions
and-
and
I
am
now
kind
of
of
the
opinion-
that
not
every
solution
is
right
for
every
place
right.
A
So
we
have
to
prioritize
where
we're
starting,
but
it
doesn't
mean
we
use
the
same
technique
in
every
place
right.
Certainly
our
topographies
vary
greatly.
The
source
of
the
flooding
could
be.
You
know
a
handful
of
different
causes
and
there's
different
soils
like
we
learn
as
we're
looking
to
solve
this.
This
pro
this
problem-
and
I
always
want
to
remind
the
public
that
there
is
the
mayor's
green
plan,
which
is
pewdiepie's,
got
a
green
print
plan.
A
But
then
another
neighbor
across
the
street
is
in
a
really
highly
densely
full
sewer
shed.
That
is
out
falling
almost
all
the
time
or
caught.
You
know,
dumping
sewage
into
the
rivers
almost
all
the
time.
Similarly,
we
kind
of
have
identified
a
lot
of
flooding
areas,
those
those
that's
not
a
measure
of
flooding-
that's
just
a
measure
of
overflowing
pipes.
A
Also,
now
replacing
lead
service
lines
at
the
same
time,
whereas
before
we
wouldn't
have
done
that
really
or
we
would
have
done
public
site
only.
So
I
think
a
lot
of
members
have
energy
to
talk
about
landslides.
I
can
talk
about
the
areas
in
my
district
and
so
in
future
conversations
in
this
next
year.
I
think
we
have
the
opportunity
to
talk
about.
Where
are
all
the
hot
spots?
Let's
look
at
it
cohesively
and
then
then
maybe
we
have
more
information
for
how
to
prioritize
right
and
how
to
participate
together
across
utilities.
A
A
We've
mentioned
it
in
several
ways,
whether
it's
landslides
or
it's
sewer
systems
that
are
full
the
water.
The
eight
inch
line
replacement
plan,
I
think,
gives
you
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
bringing
water
loss
down
and
if
you
want
to
spend
a
minute
to
talk
about
that,
because
it's
a
kind
of
famous
statistic
that
it's
we're
not
alone
many
legacy
cities
have
this
really
unacceptably
high
level
of
water
loss.
A
C
Thank
you
councilwoman,
and
you
raise
a
lot
of
excellent
points.
You
know
the
the
one
size
fits
all
approach
with
stormwater
really
is
is
not
realistic.
Like
you
said,
we're
gonna
have
to
work
with
each
community
independently
and
look
at
what
their
pain
points
are.
When
we
talk
about
combined
sewer
overflows,
like
you
said,
that's,
that's
a
regulatory
compliance
issue
kind
of
primarily,
but
when
you
address
those
issues
you
you
may
get
some
additional
benefits.
C
One
of
the
reasons
why
we're
interested
in
the
stormwater
master
plan
is
to
to
take
another
look
at
that
green
first
document,
which
is
a
cso
driven.
You
know,
effort
and
find
out
what
other
issues
do
we
need
to
overlay
to
to
build
into
that
prioritization
that
you
reference,
so
is
it
overland
flooding?
Is
it
sewage
backing
into
basements?
C
Is
that
caused
by
privately
owned
laterals
that
are
broken
or
is
it
caused
by
a
undersized
sewer
system?
We
have
you
know
in
certain
areas
of
our
city.
We
have
a
separate
storm
sewer
system,
but
sometimes
that
sewer
only
pipe
is
infiltrating
and
is
broken
and
can
cause
ssos,
which
are
a
different
regulatory
issue
that
we're
trying
to
address,
and,
in
you
know,
knowing
the
dollars
are
limited.
C
Looking
at
everything
comprehensively
to
make
sure
when
possible,
that
we're
kind
of
digging
once
and
make
an
investment
once
just
makes
a
tremendous
amount
of
sense.
We're
pairing
up
not
only
like
you
said
the
water
main
and
lead
line
replacement,
but
then
taking
a
look
at
okay.
How
old
is
that
sewer
that
the
runs
beneath
it
as
well?
Well,
we
have
the
trench.
C
Now
that
alka-san
has
finalized
their
consent,
decree
epa
and
doj
are
going
to
be
looking
to
us
and
we're
going
to
have
to
make
commitments,
and
it's
it's
my
hope
that
we're
able
to
to
not
just
meet
regulatory
requirements
but
solve
some
of
the
issues
that
may
not
have
a
strict
numeric
or
volume
regulation
attached
to
it.
When
we're
talking
about
css
but
the
nuisance
flooding
the
thing
the
wet
basement
and
you
know,
with
with
water
loss
you're
absolutely
right.
C
There's
been
this
borderline
urban
legend
about
how
much
water
is
leaking
from
our
system
and
our
in
the
public
utility
commission
is
concerned
about
it,
because
those
are
dollars
potentially
in
our
treatment
and
pumping
and
all
of
the
electricity
that
is
involved
in
that
process.
That
may
be
going
to
waste.
C
So
we
investing
heavily
in
our
metering
and
our
leak
detection
so
that
we
can
really
ground
truth
that
what
is
now
an
estimate
in
metering,
everything
that
comes
out
of
the
plant
and
then
after
it
goes
from
the
plant
to
our
reservoirs
and
our
tanks.
How
much
is
actually
entering
each
resident
so
we're
making
investments
in
what
we
call
smart
metering
there
too?
It's
going
to
take
some
time,
but
I
believe
we
have
some
deadlines
to
report
an
estimated
what
we
call
non-revenue
water.
C
This
is
water
that
either
leaks
through
pipes
or
is
somehow
not
captured
through
a
meter.
So
hopefully
we
have
some
some
more
to
come
there
and
harder
data,
because
that
has
been
one
that
has
vexed
us
for
for
quite
some
time
and
we,
I
will
say
we
have
a
leak
detection
team
with
a
new
senior
manager
councilwoman.
C
I
don't
think
you
had
the
pleasure
of
meeting
him
yet,
but
he
has
helped
us
track
down
leaks
that
have
troubled
us
for
years,
and
it
is
amazing,
with
our
topography,
you
can
have
one
leaking
private
service
line.
So
technically,
not
even
our
responsibility
causing
a
water
issue,
blocks
away
and
and
he's
he
and
his
team
have
been
really
good
at
sniffing
those
out
and
resolving
them.
So
a
lot
of
work
to
do
we're
doing
our
best
to
put
our
arms
around
it
and
prioritize.
It.
A
I
love
that,
so
no
that's
welcome
news.
I
was
taking
lots
of
notes
while
you
were
talking-
and
I
don't
want
to
keep
alkaline
waiting
too
much
longer,
but
I
can't
stop
myself
from
asking.
If
you
are
then
kind
of
like
we
just
like
landslides
and
cso,
I'm
sure
leaking
is
not
perfectly
evenly
distributed
under
every
city
street
right
and
so,
and
the
the
sewer
sheds
are
discrete
lines
of
sewer
pipes,
but
pressure
districts
are
discrete
lines
of
water
distribution
pipes.
C
A
That's
pretty
much,
you
know
rings
true
for
us
here,
but
so
then
again
we
will
have
to
try
to
decide
where
there's
opportunities
for
collaboration-
or
you
know
some
other
prioritization,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
part
of
our
collective
conversation
right.
So
then,
what
do
you
do?
Where
is
it
where
the
problems
are
the
worst
or
whether
maybe
contributing
to
the
eye?
And
I
that's
also
contributing
to
the
sanitary
stuff.
I
mean
it's
really
kind
of
hard
to
to
know,
but
it's
really
an
important
discussion
so.
A
C
A
A
Well,
good,
okay!
Well,
I've
very
thoroughly
enjoyed
this
budget
hearing
with
the
pittsburgh
water
and
sewer
authority
leadership.
Thank
you
all
for
coming.
I'm
gonna
give
al
qasan
a
heads
up
if
you
could,
if
alcazan
could
turn
on
your
cameras
and
we'll
say
goodbye
to
our
friends
at
pwsa
and
ask
you
to
turn
off
your
cameras
and
we'll
switch
over.
C
B
We're
going
to
speak
to
alka-san
now
that's
the
allegheny
county
sanatory
authority
located
along
the
ohio
river
on
pittsburgh's
north
side.
The
alka-san
provides
wastewater
treatment.
Services
to
83
communities,
including
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
alcazan's
59,
acre
treatment
plant
is
one
of
the
largest
wastewater
treatment
plants
in
the
ohio
river
valley.
Processing
up
to
250
million
gallons
of
wastewater
daily
alka-san
was
created
in
1946
under
the
pennsylvania
municipal
authorities
act
and
began
treating
wastewater
in
1959.
B
B
Councilman
corey
o'connor
is
city
council's
representative
on
the
elgasan
board,
not
much
in
the
budget,
with
the
exception
I
had
mentioned
under
the
pwsa
highlights
that
the
sewer
expenditure
for
this
year
will
be
42
419,
as
in
the
past,
alkasan
contributed
four
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
nine
hundred
dollar
grant
to
the
first
t
shin
lee
park,
stormwater
project.
This
appears
in
the
grants
appendix
of
the
operating
budget
and
affects
the
phased
contractual
payments
to
first
tee
in
the
capital
budget.
I
think
you
guys
discussed
legislation.
A
I
I
I
know
councilman
strasberger,
her
main
project
has
been
whiteman
field
which
just
reopened,
and
they
got
a
large
grant
from
alka-san
and
there's
a
follow-up
to
the
stormwater
plan
down
there
that's
going
to
bring
in
about
eight
or
ten.
It
could
be
even
more
blocks
throughout
that
project,
which
is
going
to
be
very
helpful
to
that
neighborhood
so
alka-san
in
shifting
to
a
green
approach.
I
Finally,
you
know
signing
our
consent
decree
agreement
with
the
epa
moving
that
forward,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
region
differently
when
we
take
a
green
approach,
creating
new
types
of
jobs,
not
just
at
alka-san,
but
when
it
comes
to
other
communities
who
can
benefit
from
green
infrastructure
as
well.
So
it's
a
really
good
approach
that
the
leadership
down
there
has
taken
I'm
proud
to
be
on
that
board.
I
I
think
if
you
look
at
authorities
around
the
region,
I
would
say
that
one
constant
has
been
the
alka-san
board,
especially
with
our
leadership
from
our
director.
Arletta
williams.
Who's
been
there
for
a
number
of
years.
I
won't
say
how
many,
but
she
has
done
an
incredible
job
at
shifting
and
getting
us
through
the
epa
agreement
and
the
consent
decree.
I
J
J
J
We've
got
a
lot
of
work
ahead,
much
that
has
been
behind
us
that
we've
been
able
to
build
on.
We
appreciate
the
partnership
that
we
have
with
all
of
our
customer
municipalities
and
particularly
the
work
that
we're
able
to
do
in
collaboration
with
pws
that
partnership.
That
relationship
has
endured
and
improved
over
these
past
years,
so
it's
good
to
see
will
to
be
able
to
work
with
will
and
his
team
and
looking
forward
to
what's
to
come
between
the
two
agencies.
K
Thank
you
arletta
good
afternoon,
everyone
we
are
really
excited
to
be
here
today
and
to
be
able
to
share
with
you
the
alka-sands
2021
operating
and
capital
budget.
As
arletta
said,
there's
a
lot
of
good
information
in
here.
We
have
a
lot
of
work
ahead
of
us,
and
this
budget
really
does
a
nice
job
at
springboarding
us
into
into
our.
K
K
Okay,
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
the
budget
process
at
alka-san
entails.
It's
a
five-month-long
process,
and
again
this
year,
everything
for
2020
was
flown
into
a
spinner
because
of
covid,
and
so
we
had
to
rethink
how
we
wanted
to
do
that
budget
process
and,
of
course,
everything
became
virtual.
K
We
look
at
an
august
closed.
We
closed
the
financial
statements
in
august.
We
we
disseminate
our
worksheets
and
review
instructions
to
to
all
the
staff.
The
budget
process
at
alka-san
is
a
collaborative
effort.
Every
department
every
manager
is
involved
in
the
process
of
pulling
together
the
information
that
they're
responsible
for
we
hold
three
days
of
departmental
meetings.
Those
were
all
held
virtually
this
year
and
then
we
compile
it
that
compilation
is
done
in
conjunction
with
our
additional
bonds
test.
We
went
out
for
new
bonds
in
october.
K
First,
it
was
part
refunding
and
part
new
money
issue
and
they
look
at
our
rate
structure
at
that
time,
and
then
we
also
look
at
what
our
four-year
rate
resolution
was
that
was
adopted
in
2017.,
so
2021
the
budget
year
that
we're
talking
about
is
going
to
be
our
last
year.
That
we
have
a
existing
rate
resolution
for
after
we
compile
this
budget
draft
information.
It
is
reviewed
we
do
our
own
internal
review
and
then
our
consulting
engineers,
hatch,
will
also
review
that
information
as
part
of
hatch's
process.
K
They
will
look
at
not
only
the
budget,
but
they
will
look
at
our
rate
structured.
They
make
sure
our
rates
are
reasonable,
necessary
and
sufficient.
They
also
look
at
the
the
existing
infrastructure
that
we
have
here
in
the
operating
condition
that
we
are
operating
under
to
make
sure
that
we
are
operating
functionally.
K
K
K
K
It
provides
additional
six
million
dollars
of
self-funding
for
additional
capital.
This
is
the
capital
money
that
we
use
to
fund
our
grow
program.
You've
heard
a
lot
about
the
grow
program
and
the
wonderful
work
that
it
does
wonderful
grants
that
the
city
has
benefited
from
pwsa
has
benefited
from
our
other
municipal
customers
have
benefited
from
and
we
continue
to
fund
that
it
increases
our
clean
water
assistance
payment.
K
This
is
our
customer
assistance
program
and
it
increases
it
for
a
third
year
row,
so
we
fund
35
dollars
a
quarter
that
covers
about
the
first
month
of
every
quarter
for
an
average
household.
Those
again
are
the
ones
meeting
those
criteria.
150
percent
of
the
100,
the
federal
poverty
level,
is
similar
to
the
structure
that
is
in
place
for
pwsa.
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
When
we
look
at
our
budgeted
expenditures,
the
operating
expenditures
of
the
103
million,
this
is
what
is
broken
out
by
department.
So
if
we
look
at
interceptor
systems,
we
got
about
12.8
million
plan
operations,
25
million,
so
on
down
the
line,
so
total
operating
budget
again
of
103
million
dollars.
K
This
is
hard
to
read,
and
I
apologize
for
that.
This
is
our
capital
spending
program,
so
at
the
very
bottom
on
the
far
right
is
the
2021
capital
budget.
The
very
bottom
of
that
report
you'll
see
a
total
of
150
million
dollars
again.
This
is
highlighting
some
of
those
major
projects
that
we
are
just
getting
started
with.
Some
of
those
projects
include
the
north
end
expansion,
we're
starting
with
the
new
lab,
we're
doing
the
plan
expansion
work
here
first.
K
K
The
last
thing
I
really
want
to
talk
about
is
the
credit
ratings.
You
heard
pwsa
talk
a
little
bit
about
their
creative
credit
ratings.
Again,
we
just
went
through
a
bond
issue
in
october.
During
that
process
we
were
evaluated
by
moody's
and
s
p,
and
they
come
in.
They
do
a
very
thorough
review
of
this
authority.
They
look
at
our
financial
results.
They
talk
to
management,
they
look
at
our
planning,
they
look
at
our
budgeting.
K
They
ask
a
lot
of
very
pointed
and
direct
questions
and
during
that
process
moody's
actually
upgraded
the
authority
to
aa3
from
an
a1
and
what
made
that
so
unprecedented
is
with
all
the
uncertainty
going
on
this
year
with
with
kovid
and
all
the
risks
associated
with
that
we
were
still
able
to
achieve
an
upgrade
which,
based
on
our
fa's
assumptions
that,
like
that,
doesn't
happen.
So
we
were
extremely
happy.
We
were
very
proud
of
the
fact
that
we
were
able
to
achieve
that
upgrade
again
s
p,
who
had
upgraded
us.
K
The
last
time
we
had
gone
out
for
bonds
in
2018.
They
remain
consistent
with
an
a
plus
stable.
Some
of
the
things
that
they
touted
about
the
authority
is
our
consistently
strong
financial
statements.
Our
debt
service
coverage,
our
long-term
rate
plan
and
the
fact
that
we
have
the
rate
increases
through
2021,
already
improved
approved.
They
like
those
long-term
rate
resolutions,
they,
like
the
experience,
management
team
and
the
flexibility
that
we
were
able
to
achieve
in
our
final
consent
order.
K
K
We
are
at
65
percent,
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
hold
the
line
there
and
make
sure
that
we
have
the
rates
in
place
to
pay
for
that
debt,
because
we
are
going
to
be
issuing
a
future
debt.
It's
good
there's
going
to
be
substantial
future
debt
that
we're
going
to
have
to
issue
in
order
to
fund
those
capital
projects
that
we
have
committed
to,
and
there
are
certain
things
that
we
need
to
be
careful
of,
or
our
rating
could
be
downgraded.
K
J
A
Thank
you
director
and
for
the
whole
team
for
being
here
and
for
your
presentation.
I
typically
ask
the
member
of
council
who
sits
on
the
board
to
go
first.
That
would
be
your
chairperson,
councilman
o'connor.
If
he's,
I
see
that
he's
still
on
the
line.
Councilman,
do
you
have
any
further
comments
or
questions
for
the
board.
I
No,
I
just
want
to
thank
them.
Obviously
you
heard
the
presentation
moving
forward
lots
of
capital
projects
going
on
down
there.
You
know,
I,
I
think
one
thing
that
that
you
know
I
really
want
to
touch
on.
We
had
a
board
presentation
the
other
day,
but
the
education
that
we
offer
at
alka-san
is
also
something
that
is
very
unique
to
other
boards
and
opportunities.
The
the
annual
open
house,
which
we
still
did
digitally
this
year,
was
a
success.
I
A
lot
of
people
followed
that,
but
especially
you
know,
educating
people
not
just
on
green
infrastructure,
but
also
in
the
classrooms
with
kids-
and
you
know,
our
scholastic
outreach
has
done
a
very
good
job
over
the
last
few
years.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
and
thank
you
councilwoman
for
acknowledging
me
first,
but
I
have
no
questions.
Thank
you.
A
H
Thank
you.
I
did
have
to
jump
out
for
a
second
I'm
in
between,
so
I
may
have
missed
this
portion,
but
so
I
appreciate
you
know
all
the
work
that
you
do,
especially
since
it's
all
happening
in
my
district,
and
I
just
want
to
ask-
and
this
is
something
I
may
have
missed
in
your
presentation
about
the
you
know-
the
with
the
consent
decree
you're
gonna-
be
building
the
tunnels.
When
is
that
gonna?
When
are
you
gonna
break
ground
with
that.
L
Correct,
yes,
there
will
be
three,
so
the
second
one
is
the
so
it's
the
ohio
river
tunnel,
the
allegheny
river
tunnel
and
then
the
monongahela
river
tunnel
and
that's
the
order.
It'll
go
ohio,
allegheny
mon
and
the
allegheny,
I
believe,
is
like
oh
boy.
I
think
it's
about
20
28,
but
I
would
have
to
check
that
okay,
yeah.
G
H
L
So
there
are
consolidation,
sewers
associated
with
each
leg
and
those
consolidation
sewers
will
be
designed
under
the
umbrella
of
the
design
contracts
for
the
tunnels.
Just
so
we
can
control
the
hydraulics
and
the
the
overall
flow
to
the
plant,
but
I
think
maybe
some
of
the
things
that
you're
talking
about
might
fall
under
the
regionalization
program
that
we're
also
doing
so
that's
separate,
where
we
would
take
ownership
of
multi-municipal
lines
that
are
10,
inches
or
greater
and
then,
as
an
authority,
sort
of
implement
those
projects
that
would
that
benefit
more
than
one
municipality.
I
L
H
H
L
J
Our
requirements
and
our
charge
is
to
deal
with
the
overflow
issues
directly
at
the
rivers,
the
streams,
the
creeks
where
those
discharges
are
taking
place.
There
are
clearly
impacts
further
up
into
the
system
in
communities
that
have
some
residual
effect,
but
that
is
not
our
specific
charge.
Now,
with
that,
everything
that
we
do
to
better
manage
water
helps
to
address
those
matters
and
because
of
the
collaboration
that
we're
engaged
in
with
all
83
municipalities
and
municipal
authorities,
again,
there's
residual
impact
that
improves
all
of
those
issues.
A
Okay
and
as
we
mentioned
that
there
are
actively
kind
of
parallel
paths
happening
in
different
kinds
of
engineering
solutions,
green
infrastructure,
combination
of
green
and
gray,
and
then
your
kind
of
plant
expansion
with
the
proposed
tunnels-
and
I
know
that
some
municipalities
actually
moved
a
lot
faster
than
the
city
of
pittsburgh
has
on
things
like
stormwater
remediation,
stormwater
fees,
green
infrastructure,
usually
mount
lebanon
is
given.
As
an
example,
can
you
speak
to
what
kinds
of
flow
reduction
that
you
know
of?
A
I
know
that
you're,
not
the
municipal
leadership
for
mount
lebanon,
you're,
the
the
you
are
the
center
authority
for
all
83
municipalities.
Can
you
speak
maybe
to
how
municipalities
within
your
83
municipal
systems,
are
kind
of
approaching
this
com
combined
task
of
reducing
flow
and
not
just
expanding
the
system
to
receive
greater
flow,
which
is
kind
of
your?
Your
part
of
the
project.
J
J
J
We
can't
I
can
say
that
everybody
is
engaged
at
some
level
and
while
you
might
think
that
the
city
is
lagging,
I
wouldn't
say
that
is
necessarily
accurate.
It's
a
complicated
process.
When
you
look
at
the
topography
of
the
region,
then
you
factor
in,
as
you
said,
varying
technologies
different
wherewithal
throughout
the
region.
J
There's
a
lot
to
be
taken
into
consideration,
but
I
can
say
that
our
municipal
customers
are
committed
and
engaging
in
the
process
of
looking
what
they
can
do
to
get
that
flow
up
so
that
it
doesn't
have
to
be
addressed.
I
say
it
many
times
like
the
old
folks
say:
an
ounce
of
prevention
is
worth
a
pound
of
cure
and
that's
the
approach
of
flow
removal,
flow
reduction.
A
A
I
think
that
viewer,
I
guess
watching
this
combined
hearing
can
see
how
there
are
efforts
on,
as
you
say,
the
reduction
end
on
the
hold
it
and
and
on
the
kind
of
treat
it
and
release
it
ends,
and
then
conveyance
in
between
that
are
all
fitting
together
and
it's
not.
I
just
want
to
emphasize,
as
I
did
with
pwsa,
that
not
every
square
foot
of
the
system
is
equally
problematic.
A
Yeah,
so
those
but
those
big
tunnels
still
worry
me
and
I
have
said
before,
and
so
I'll
just
repeat
it
again.
I
really
don't
like
the
prospect
of
the
allegheny
tunnel.
I
do
believe
most
of
it.
We
should
put
the
city
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
in,
claiming
that
we
can
use
other
technologies
to
reduce
flow
and
that
that
is
one
place
where
there
is
the
least
municipal
input
of
all
the
conveyance
tunnels.
I
think
it
is
the
most
percentage
city
flow
that
goes
into
that
conveyance
tunnel.
A
A
I
didn't
catch
a
part
of
your
presentation
where
you
talked
about
the
total
cost
to
the
upgrade
upgrade
in
the
system
to
the
whole,
the
ratepayers
and
the
whole
system.
I
remember
when
it
was
a
four
billion
dollar
plan.
Then
it
kind
of
came
down
to
a
two
billion
dollar
plan
and
I
I'm
not
sure
what
is
the
number
that
we're
using
now.
J
J
J
J
The
region
would
not
be
able
to
handle
that
level
of
rate
requirement
and,
quite
frankly,
can't
even
save
it
in
terms
of
construction
capacity
that
would
have
been
feasible
in
renegotiating
affordability
and
recognizing
the
need
to
take
this
in
bite-sized
chunks
was
a
key
factor
in
how
we
move
forward,
in
addition
to
affordability,
the
need
to
be
able
to
adapt.
As
my
chair,
councilwoman
o'connor
had
referenced,
there
is
now
option
to
employ
adaptive
management
practices
that
will
help
to
change
some
of
the
approaches
we
move
down.
J
The
road
so
2
billion
now
first
base,
as
kim
director
of
engineering
and
construction,
had
indicated
three
tunnels
right
now,
whether
you
like
tunnels
or
not.
Right
now,
we
have
three
tunnels
on
the
docket,
but
they're
not
all
coming
at
the
same
time,
because
that
just
would
not
make
sense.
There
is
opportunity
for
modification
now
just
to
be
clear.
I
would
not
not
want
to
be
disingenuous
in
any
way.
As
I
sit
here
today,
I
do
not
anticipate
that
there's
going
to
be
a
removal
of
the
other
two
tunnels
from
this
equation.
A
A
As
I
said
before,
I'm
just
saying
I've
said
it
many
times,
I'm
continuing
to
say
it
publicly.
I
mean
like
in
a
hypothetical
world
that
doesn't
exist
right.
If
every
there
or
just
was
you
know,
everybody
left
the
neighborhoods
that
feed
into
and
have
all
their
sewers
and
catch
basins
and
toilets
and
sinks
connected
to
the
allegheny
interceptor.
You
just
wouldn't
need
it
anymore.
Obviously,
that's
not
going
to
happen,
and
we
we're
in
fact
densifying
in
the
neighborhoods
that
I
represent.
A
A
I
hope
I
haven't
misunderstood
our
task
that
badly
for
so
many
years,
but
we
hope
we
all
can
be
stupid
to
be
corrected
from
time
to
time.
So
I
wanted
to
to
bring
up
those
to
kind
of
just
paint
brought.
You
know
we,
we
just
sort
of
remind
the
public
of
the
kind
of
challenge
and
broad
highlights
things
like
the
total
cost,
as
well
as
what's
happening
next
in
these
kinds
of
hearings.
A
I
think
I
will
also
give
you
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
cost
and
rates,
since
we
had
in
the
discussion
right
before
this
questions
about
you
know.
Pwsa's
rates
have
dramatically
gone
up,
but
then
there
are
parts
of
this
city
residents
who
might
be
listening,
who
get
two
separate
bills,
one
from
maybe
I'm
not
sure.
Maybe
they
get
a
bill
from
pen
american
with
a
combined
alka,
santa
american
and
then,
if
you're,
a
pwsa
customer
in
the
city,
which
is
about
two-thirds
of
our
residents
in
the
city.
J
J
Where
we
started
with
the
program
a
decade
ago,
the
expectation
at
that
point
was
that
we
would
need
double-digit
rate
increases
to
initiate
compliance
with
the
consent
decree
and
maintain
compliance
as
we
move
forward.
The
projections
were
anywhere
from
10
to
12
percent
increases
each
year
for
many
years
to
come.
The
fact
that
we
are
at
seven
percent
and
have
been
around
that
level
is
a
testimony
to
the
work
of
this
team
and
again
the
the
folks
that
we
employ
in
this
process.
J
We've
been
very
fortunate,
the
the
money
has
been
managed
well,
and
I
don't
manage
the
money.
So
I
can't
take
credit
for
that.
God
has
blessed
me
with
great
people
who
are
able
to
do
that,
which
is
how,
with
the
leadership
of
the
board,
we
were
able
to
enjoy
an
increase
in
upgrade
in
our
bond
rating
this
year.
As
karen
has
said,
it
just
wasn't
happening
for
people.
So
all
of
those
things
go
into
suppressing
the
overall
amount
of
money.
A
I'll
just
end
by
asking
about,
I
think,
one
of
the
things
that
is
always
on
the
minds
of
council
members
this
year,
especially,
is
how
much
of
our
city
population
that
has
real
financial
hardship
and
we've
been
grateful
that
there
have
been
things
like
eviction
moratoriums,
that
we've
seen
discount
customer
assistance
and
cash
assistance
kind
of
from
all
kinds
of
entities.
It's
actually
a
shame.
That's
so
difficult
for
the
individual
to
navigate
the
system
of
assistance
or
try
to
make
that
easier
and
share
as
much
information
as
we
can.
A
You
know
the
federal
assistance,
kind
of
came
and
went.
State
assistance
was
complicated
with
unemployment
assistance,
and
then
we
have
some
cash
assistance
grants
that
we've
moved
with
city
money
at
the
ura,
and
we
just
heard
about
the
pwa
customer
assistance
program,
which
I
was
really
happy
to
be
able
to
get
launched
when
I
was
still
on
the
board
that
has
grown.
A
But
really
we
want
to
see
as
much
participation
as
we
can
right
that
if
customers
out
there
are
struggling
that
they
get
into
the
assistance
and
get
the
assistance
that
they
deserve
and
director
pickering
mentioned
that
alka-san
and
peter
bruce,
and
maybe
someone
else
are
all
at
dollar
energy
fund.
Correct.
F
A
A
Let's
say
I
tell
a
constituent
to
to
apply
for
the
pwsa
discount
for
their
water
bill
does
that
if
they
call
dollar
energy
fund
and
they
get
their
their
assistance,
they
get
their
water
bill
lowered.
Does
that
automatically
enroll
them
for
your
assistance
as
well?
A
reduction
in
your
portion
of
the
bill.
A
J
J
But
as
I
I
believed
you
were
asking,
is
it
a
simple
linked
function
where
it's
just
you
do
one
intake
I
I
do
not
believe
that
is
the
case
and
that's
a
good
question.
So
how
do
you
do
that?
Is
it
hang
up
call
again,
I
will
say
that
we
have
engaged
with
dollar
energy
to,
as
you
indicated,
simplify
the
process
for
people
who
were
not
able
to
scan
or
send
the
necessary
documents.
J
We
quickly
defaulted
to
a
position
of
most
people
have
a
smartphone
a
day.
You
take
a
picture
of
the
bill
or
whatever
credentials
you
need
to
take.
You
send
that
we
authorize
acceptance
of
that,
because
it's
a
mechanism
that
people
are
familiar
with
and
comfortable
using
so
where
we
can,
we
too
are
trying
to
improve
access.
We
have,
as
karen
indicated
in
her
presentation,
we
have
increased
the
funding
allocation
this
year,
as
we
have
in
the
past
few
years.
J
The
board
will
continue
to
take
that
very
same
action,
but
getting
people
to
it
somewhat
of
a
challenge.
As
a
dear
friend
used
to
tell
me,
nothing
is
obvious
to
the
uninformed.
We
try
to
educate.
We
try
to
make
that
information
as
readily
available
as
possible.
Working
with
our
municipalities
working
with
various
agencies,
there's
always
room
for
improvement.
I
couldn't
agree
with
you
more.
A
Yeah,
I
would
be
happy
to
talk
about
that
after
this
budget
hearing
some
other
time
again.
This
is
you
know,
a
more
dire
situation
than
it
was
a
year
ago
and
with
the
increasing
in
rates
among
all
kinds
of
utilities,
including
water
and
sewer,
there's
just
increasing
cost
utility
cost
pressure
on
households
when
usually
in
their
their
income
hasn't
gone
up.
So
it
was
already
dire
last
year
and
let
alone
that
we
know
we
have
a
how
all
kinds
of
housing
costs,
rent
pressure
and
home
pressures
in
the
city.
A
We're
not
seeing,
I
think,
as
many
people
who
should
be
eligible
in
the
programs
particip
getting
the
discounts
that
they
deserve,
and
I
suspect
that
part
of
that
is
because
of
the
very
complicated
situation
we
have
with
landlords
being
the
ones
paying
the
water
and
sewer
bills
and
renters
are
the
ones
needing
to
see
that
to
pass
through,
maybe
in
their
rent.
Something
like
that
right.
A
So
I
think
that
a
lot
of
city
neighborhoods
have
these
very
high
levels
of
of
rental
households
that
may
very
well
be
our
service
sector
income,
households
that
are
struggling
in
this
economy,
even
more
so
than
last
year.
So
I
think
that
would
be
a
discussion.
We
should
make
spend
some
time
trying
to
see
how
we
can
get
those
assistance
dollars
to
the
households
that
need
them
a
little
better
than
we're
doing.
I'd
appreciate
that,
yes,.
A
H
K
We
have
budgeted
six
million
dollars
to
fund
that
program.
Keep
in
mind,
that's
not
what
the
commitments
are
going
to
be
so,
for
example,
the
round
five
which
occurred
in
2020
was
over
15
million
dollars.
We
self-fund
that
capital
for
the
grow
program,
so
we
have
an
account.
That's
set
aside
that
we
use
when
we
make
those
commitments,
so
we
are
providing
an
additional
six
million
dollars
worth
of
cash
that
we're
budgeting
from
rates
to
go
into
that
account
that
can
be
available
for
grow
for
future
periods
of
time.
J
A
I
appreciate
that
it's
always
wonderful
to
have
the
opportunity
to
to
work
together.
My
responsibility
here
is
to
remind
the
public
that
our
this
multi-day
budget
hearing
will
recess
today
and
we'll
reconvene
monday
november
30th
at
10
a.m.
With
the
mayor's
office
budget
hearing-
and
I
believe
later
that
same
day,
we
have
the
office
of
management
and
budget,
probably
at
1
30.
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
have
the
the
time
right
in
front
of
me,
and
so
we
will
be
all
recessing
for
the
long
holiday
weekend
happy
thanksgiving
to
everyone
here.