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A
Hello
and
welcome
to
pittsburgh
city
council's
standing
committees
meeting
for
wednesday
september
30th
2020..
My
name
is
kim
clark
baskin
and
I
am
the
assistant
city
clerk
with
us.
Today
we
have
our
sign
language
interpreter
nick
miller.
The
following
is
a
list
of
legislation
up
for
preliminary
approval
by
pittsburgh,
city,
council,
finance
and
law
committee.
Mr
lavelle
is
the
chair.
A
Public
safety
services
committee,
mr
o'connor,
is
to
chair.
We
have
bill
number
735
resolution
amending
resolution,
246
of
2020,
which
had
previously
amended
resolution
493
of
2019
and
resolution
133
of
2018
authorizing
the
mayor
and
director
of
the
department
of
public
safety
to
enter
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
pittsburgh
into
a
third
amended
professional
services,
agreement
with
johnson
controls
for
continued
security,
camera
integration
and
support
services.
A
Public
works
committee,
mr
coghill,
is
the
chair.
We
have
bill
number
730
resolution
approving
the
recommendation
made
by
the
director
of
the
department
of
mobility
and
infrastructure
that
mulberry
way
be
paved
with
asphalt
in
accordance
with
section
417
0.06
of
the
pittsburgh
city
code
of
ordinances,
bill
number,
731
resolution
granting
unto
the
brashear
association
their
successors
and
assigns
the
privilege
and
license
to
construct,
maintain
and
use
at
their
own
cost
and
expense.
A
The
ability
to
install
a
new
subsurface
water
meter
vault
for
new
domestic
and
fire
service
at
314,
brownsville,
road,
30th,
ford,
third
council
district
bill
number
736
resolution
amending
resolution,
549
of
2019
authorizing
the
mayor
and
the
director
of
public
works
to
enter
into
an
agreement
between
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
the
pittsburgh
downtown
partnership
for
services
rendered
by
clean
team
ambassadors
within
the
southside
ped
by
extending
the
contract
for
a
time
of
two
years
at
an
annual
cost
not
to
exceed
150,
000,
land
use
and
economic
development
committee.
Mr
wilson
is
the
chair.
A
We
have
deferred
papers,
we
have
bill
number
645
resolution
providing
for
the
designation
as
a
historic
structure
under
title
11
of
the
code
of
ordinances
that
certain
site,
known
as
the
shrine
of
the
blessed
mother,
located
off
wakefield
street
in
south
oakland.
Fourth
ward,
human
resources
committee,
mr
krause,
is
the
chair.
We
have
bill
number
732
resolution
providing
for
a
professional
services
agreement
with
big
picture,
lab
llc
for
video
production
services
and
an
amount
not
to
exceed
25
000
and
intergovernmental
affairs.
Ms
gross
is
the
chair.
A
B
C
Good
morning
and
welcome
to
the
standing
committee
meeting
for
wednesday
september,
30th
2020.
council
will
continue
to
meet
virtually
on
tuesdays
and
wednesdays
at
10
a.m.
Until
further
notice,
all
meetings
will
be
live
streamed
on
the
city's
youtube
channel.
Our
first
order
of
business
is
public
comment.
I
would
like
to
remind
all
speakers
that
the
rules
of
council
state
that
comments
are
limited
to
matters
of
concern.
Official
action
or
deliberation
which
are
or
maybe
before,
city,
council
and
profanity
will
not
be
permitted.
C
D
D
D
D
D
The
playgrounds
in
these
neighborhoods
are
rotting
away,
while
you're
building
and
constructing
a
new
park
close
to
downtown
the
inner
city.
Playgrounds
are
deplorable.
I
urge
you
to
invest
in
the
youth.
Teach
them
how
to
repair
automobiles,
how
to
build
homes,
invest
in
the
youth,
for
they
are
the
future
leaders
of
tomorrow.
D
Young
doctor
programs
are
needed
for
the
inner
city.
Youth.
If
you
want
to
avoid
crime,
then
give
them
something
to
do
with
their
minds.
An
idle
mind
is
the
devil's
workshop
indeed,
and
we
are
willing
to
assist
in
that
we
have
journeys
to
justice.
We
cannot
think
about
forget
about
these
children,
and
I
wanted
to
remind
city
council-
and
I
will
continue
to
remind
you
of
the
jordan
miles
of
the
bernard
sanders.
D
The
david
streeters,
the
leon
ford,
jerry
jackson,
jerome
smith,
michelle
rankin,
all
were
either
permanently
injured
or
now
received
due
to
the
training
that
these
policemen
receive.
They
are
here
to
protect
and
serve.
You
need
to
move
into
an
environment
of
how.
May
we
better
serve
you,
because
they
work
for
the
citizens
of
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
and
we
are
here
to
remind
you
of
your
duty
and
your
charge
and
your
oath
to
uphold
to
protect
and
to
serve
the
citizens
of
this
municipality,
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
C
E
Yes
greetings:
this
is
cody
key
day,
iroquois
confederacy
aboriginal,
the
american
people,
and
I
would
like
to
remind
the
city
council
of
a
little
history
of
our
people
with
the
with
the
treaty
of
the
delaware
1778,
in
which
case
it
was
said
in
that
treaty.
A
few
things,
one
that
our
lands
would
never
be
invaded.
Two.
E
Today,
the
municipality
seems
to
be
overlooking
those
facts,
giving
more
attention
to
the
socio-political
constructs
and
not
as
much
attention
to
the
rightful
heirs
descendants
of
the
land,
which
is
a
slap
in
the
face
by
the
way.
So
I
implore
city
council,
as
we
have
sent
out
a
few,
invites
for
meeting
to
sit
down
at
the
table
to
discuss
aboriginal
peoples
that
living
near
the
city
of
pittsburgh
or
around
the
city
of
pittsburgh
in
this
area.
E
C
Thank
you
very
much
there
being
no
further
speakers.
We
will
now
move
on
to
our
standing
committee
agenda.
Would
a
clerk
please
take
the
role.
F
C
Thank
you.
Our
first
committee
of
the
day
is
finance
and
law,
which
is
cheered
by
myself.
First
new
paper
is
bill.
733.
B
C
Any
opposed
bill
is
recommended.
That'll
take
us
to
our
invoices.
We
need
a
motion
to
approve
the
invoices.
C
Second,
second,
the
discussion
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
aye
from
the
opposed
invoices
are
approved
that
takes
us
to
inter-departmental
transfers.
We
need
a
motion
for
the
for
the
transfers.
What's
up,
bro.
C
G
J
Yes,
I
I
have
been
briefed
by
public
safety
starting
in
february,
about
this
conversion.
From
for
our
camera
system,
I
don't
know
if
anybody
from
public
safety
is
there
if
they
would
like
to
discuss.
I
have
no
further
questions
because,
as
I
mentioned,
I've
been
briefed
on
this
already,
I
don't
know
if
other
members
have
been
or
not.
So
if
there's
somebody
from
public
safety
that
wants
to
explain
other
than
that
I'll
I'll
leave
it
open
to
council
members
for
discussion.
F
Good
morning,
councilman
o'connor,
it's
dan
shak
from
public
safety
technology
manager,
I'm
on.
If
there
are
any
further
questions.
C
B
L
M
B
M
K
So
you
know
I'll
defer
to
you.
Counseling
cross,
I'm
just
curious
as
to
what
what
they
do
are
they.
M
So
I'll
be
happy
if
I
may
sure,
so,
these
are
the
expenditures
of
funds
that
are
collected
through
our
parking
enhancement
district,
which
is
now
in
its
fourth
year.
I
want
to
say
I
think
this
will
be
the
yeah.
This
would
be
the
second
time
that
we
would
have
entered
into
contract
with
the
downtown
partnership
to
supply
our
clean
team
for
the
east
carson
street
quarter,
which
is
clearly
defined
in
the
legislation
as
to
where
parking
enhancement
district
funds
can
be
expended.
M
To
date,
we
took
a
bit
of
a
hit
on
the
funding
because
of
covid
and
the
the
big
hit
that
a
lot
of
food
and
beverage
businesses
took,
but
we
seem
to
have
stabilized
were
we
were
traditionally
averaging
about
forty
two
hundred
dollars
a
month,
we're
now
around
twenty
four
hundred
dollars
a
month,
so
just
about
fifty
percent
of
what
we
were
collecting,
but
that
is
enough
to
support
our
clean
team,
which
is
about
ten
thousand
dollars
a
month.
M
We
have
two
people
on
the
street
seven
days
a
week,
doing
cleaning
power
washing
removal
of
graffiti
stickers,
weeding
the
treat
pits.
All
those
kinds
of
things
are
all
part
of
the
contract.
M
To
date,
I
want
to
say
on
parking
enhancement,
we
have
either
gotten
very
close
to
or
exceeded
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
collection.
All
of
those
monies
are
returned
legislatively
to
the
parking
enhancement
district
via
legislation,
and
they
provide
for
cleaning
infrastructure
and
public
safety.
So
this
is
the
cleaning
portion
of
it
we're
re-entering
into
contract
again
with
the
downtown
partnership
for
a
cost
to
not
exceed
150
000
for
two
years
of
the
clean
team
to
be
on
the
street
at
no
cost
at
all
whatsoever.
M
The
taxpayer
everything
is
provided
through
parking
enhancement,
district
funds
which
are
collected
friday
and
saturday
nights
at
the
meters
from
six
to
midnight,
and
so
people
that
choose
to
come
and
participate
in
the
east.
Carson
street
quarter
actually
pay
for
the
clean
team
to
be
on
the
street.
K
Well
that
answers
most
of
my
questions.
Thank
you,
councilman
cross.
I
mean
I
really
love
the
idea
and
I
don't
know
if
that
was
kind
of
your
project
that
started
all
that
or
not,
but
I
love
the
idea
of
taking,
because
I
know
there's
many
issues.
Many
problems
come
with
all
that
parking,
but
to
take
some
of
that
revenue
and
put
it
into
a
team
of
people
from
what
you
describe
it
sounds
like
they
just
walk
the
corridor
and
pretty
much
do
anything
from
weeding
to
picking
up
litter.
To
anything
they
see.
M
Successful
and
and
I'd
be
happy
to
share
this
with
the
council.
If
you'd
like,
we
do
monthly
reports
to
the
the
planning
forum,
southside
planning
forum
and
every
month,
they
do
a
complete
breakdown
of
the
hours
where
they
were
geographically.
What
was
clean,
how
many
tonnage
of
litter
was
collected?
How
many
stickers
were
removed?
N
All
right
so
I
mean
for
members
who
weren't
here
when
we
create,
when
councilman
cross,
created
the
parking
enhancement
district.
The
logical
nexus
really
is
that
there's
so
much
pressure
on
this
neighborhood
from
the
visitors.
It
gets
right
that
it
was
draining
resources
from
other
parts
of
the
city
and
the
city
budget,
especially
like
policing
capacity
and
the
dpw
capacity.
N
N
It
was
like
an
additive
amount
of
new
parking
revenue
that
so
a
fraction
of
the
total
southside
parking
revenue
was
diverted
that
that
fraction
is,
and
it's
because
we
were
able
to
add
the
the
smart
parking
meters
that
we
could
know
that
you
paid
that
parking
meter
in
the
evening
hours
and
not
during
the
daytime
hours,
and
it's
all
able
to
be
found
in
a
database-
and
I
mentioned
this
because
we
also
voted
many
years
ago
now
on
dynamic
pricing
for
parking,
and
we
really
have
not
seen
the
additional
revenues
from
dynamic
pricing.
N
My
own
district
is
angry
and
resentful
with
me
because
they
also
wanted
the
parking
enhancement
for
improvements
in
the
strip
and
lawrenceville,
and
we're
still
working
on
that.
I
have
legislation
drafted
the
needs
that
that
additional
parking
revenue
would
fill
are
different
in
this
trip
in
lawrenceville
it'd
be
like
pedestrian
safety.
N
So
many
I
mean
literally
8
000
new
parking
spaces
that
are
mostly
private,
but
a
lot
of
public
as
well,
and
so
the
that
there
are
cars
going
where
they
didn't
used
to
go
where
it
used
to
just
be
empty
in
a
riverfront.
Warehouses
are
now
cars
and
pedestrians
are
in
conflict
and
there
are
people
being
killed
in
broad
daylight
in
the
strip
district
by
cars.
N
So
you
know
we
need
sit.
We
need
five,
so
many
different
mobility
infrastructure
improvements
for
safety
and
for
moving
people
back
and
forth
in
this
whole
corridor
between
downtown
the
strip
and
lawrenceville
and
we're
defining
that
now.
So
I
hope
that
council
will
also
be
amenable
to
that
discussion,
because
we
would
not
be
taking
any
parking
revenue
away,
but
there
are
places
that
don't
have
meters.
That
honestly,
should
many
many
city
blocks
in
the
corridor.
I
just
mentioned.
We
are
not
getting
any
parking
revenue
and
we
could
add
parking
revenue.
N
I
think
there
are
places
where
there
are
new
meters
that
are
desired
by
the
neighborhood
it'll
be
adding
and
then
frankly,
there
are
places
where,
if
you'll
remember
that,
again,
I'm
sorry
to
go
on
this,
but
just
to
remind
us,
alex
it's
been
so
many
years.
The
dynamic
pricing,
especially
there
are
sections
of
maybe
the
same,
very
long
street
where
everybody
wants
to
park.
I
always
say,
for
example,
in
bloomfield
like
in
front
of
tesara's,
and
so
you
kind
of
need.
N
You
could
raise
the
prices
just
so
there's
turnover
and
then
parts
of
liberty
avenue
in
bloomfield,
where
no
one
wants
to
park
like
in
the
evenings
like
down
by
the
post
office.
Maybe
it's
a
little
changing
dynamic
now,
because
now
there's
retail
and
apartments
down
by
the
post
office,
but
that
was
the
example
that
I
used
to
give
five
years
ago.
But
the
point
is
that
we
can
look
at
these
dynamics
and
they're
really
prices
they're
places
that
should
have
their
not
just
new
meters,
but
at
the
existing
meters.
N
The
cost
per
hour
really
should
be
higher
in
order
to
make
sure
that
the
meters
are
serving
not
commuters
or
not.
People
who
are
parking
there
for
days
on
end
and
we're
getting
adequate
revenue.
The
the
businesses
get
the
parking
spaces
they
need
to
be
over
et
cetera,
so
that
that
expect
that
conversation
to
be
moving
forward
for
my
district
as
well.
I
appreciate
the
time.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
councilman
schusberger,.
O
Thank
you.
I
we've
been
thinking
about
this
a
little
bit
as
well.
There
was
a
lot
of
interest
from
the
prop
from
the
business
owners
on
walnut
street
in
a
shady
side,
to
replicate
what
what
this
south
side
was
able
to
do
with
extended
parking,
enhanced
parking
collection
in
the
evening
hours
and
given
that
councilwoman
gross
you're,
also
interested
in
this,
is
there
any
reason
why
we
wouldn't
or
shouldn't
look
at
this
as
a
more
citywide
approach.
O
If
there
are
business
districts
throughout
the
city
and
council
members
say:
hey,
I'm
interested
in
my
business
district,
two
why
it
wouldn't
make
sense
to
do
it
that
way.
If
we
could
have
legislation
that
would
define
several
different
business
districts,
all
in
one
big
legislation
or
is
it
I
haven't
looked
at
the
legislation
recently
is
it
such?
Is
it
defined
in
such
a
way
that
the
actual
usage
of
the
money
is
distinct
for
every
single
district,
and
so,
therefore,
they
would
need
to
be
separate.
M
Let
I
think
russia
is
on
the
call
and
and
if
not
I'll,
call
her
and
ask
her
if
she
would
redistribute
legislation
to
both
councilwoman
gross
and
councilwoman
strasberger,
and
then
we
can
have
a
nice
sidebar.
I'd
be
happy
to
go
through
how
it
is
that
we
created
what
we
needed,
but
the
legislation
that
created
the
south
side
parking
enhancement
district
was
specific
to
the
south
side.
So
I
would
believe
that
we
would
need
to
create
specific
legislation
for
each
of
your
districts
as
it
stands
right
now.
M
There
may
be
a
way
to
do
it
differently,
I'm
not
sure,
but
I
think
that
is
how
that
would
work
right
now,
and
there
was
one
other
thing
and
it
just
it
left
my
mind,
but
we
oh
well.
One
of
the
things
I
want
is
that
marking
or
parking
meters
are
important
to
the
success
of
this
you're,
only
going
to
collect
the
revenue
you're
going
to
collect
by
the
amount
of
meters
that
are
installed
and
so
we're
working
off.
M
I
think
it
is
between
670
to
690
670
690
meters,
which
is
pretty
significant
for
over
the
years.
Had
we
not
experienced
the
sort
of
the
the
the
shuttering,
if
you
will,
of
food
and
beverage
businesses
because
of
cobit,
we
would
have
exceeded
a
million
dollars
by
this
point,
which
is
staggering
in
its
thought
process
that
we
would
leave
a
million
dollars
on
the
table
that
doesn't
come
out
of
taxpayer
pocket
to
help
keep.
M
One
of
the
things
that
the
legislation
does
call
for,
though,
is
that
there
has
to
be
a
certain
amount
of
residential
permit
parking
surrounding
the
parking
enhancement
district
so
as
to
not
force
those
cars
into
residential
neighborhoods.
M
B
O
You
know
in
this
day
when
bids
and
nids
are
non-starters.
We
have
the
pdp,
we
have
obid
but
in
other
places
they're
non-starters.
This
is
a
way
to
sort
of
to
find
that
revenue
creatively,
and
I
just
you
know,
I'm
happy
to
have
that
conversation
offline.
I
opened
it
up
just
in
the
off
chance
that
there
were
other
council
members
aside
from
councilwoman
gruggs,
who
were
interested
in
the
conversation.
So
thank
you,
councilman
and
councilwoman.
K
Councilman
you're
going
to
be
a
valuable
asset
on
this.
Obviously,
if
it
does
expand
to
other
districts
and
that's
really
why
I
brought
it
up.
I
really
think
it
is
a
good
idea-
and
I
think
that
councilwoman
gross
and
and
some
others
where
I
think,
it'll
benefit
not
so
much
in
my
district,
but
but
that's
okay
and
I
love
the
idea
where
that's
flexible,
where
we
could
use
that
revenue
for
whatever
the
reasons
are
in
that
district.
K
K
N
It
wouldn't
be
mine
for
nighttime.
Probably
it
doesn't
have
to
be
what
the
the
the
fundamental
principle
is
that
it's
additive
right.
Yes,
imagine
that
you
triple
the
price
per
hour
at
you
know
very,
very
active
meters,
I'm
just
throwing
that
hypothetically,
I
don't
mean
to
make
anyone.
You
know
who
owns
a
business
in
the
middle
of
the
strip
district
panic
right
now,
but
just
hypothetically
right,
that
is
new
money.
N
Over
and
above
what
we've
been
collecting
and
again,
we
could
take
this
offline.
It
was
a
significant
shift
when
we
used
to
set
parking
prices
per
hour
at
city
council
by
an
entire
neighborhood,
and
then
we
shifted
to
dynamic
pricing
and
put
that
power
at
the
parking
authority.
So
there's
a
whole
different
dynamic
that
we
hypothetically
should
be
really
optimizing
our
revenue
and
it
has.
It
has
actually
borne
out
that
way,
but
we
could
be
doing
better.
We
haven't
been
doing
it
in
a
in
a
way
that
is
more.
K
Sounds
like
a
good
thing,
finding
new
revenues,
and
you
can
count
on
me
to
be
supportive
of
other
members
what's
right
for
their
own
district.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
councilman
wilson,.
H
Yes,
councilman
krauss,
I
just
wanted
to
you
know
thank
you
for
giving
us
all
this
information
about
the
legislation
and
the
the
program.
Could
you
just
elaborate
on
so
since
the
parking
revenues
are
half
of
what
they
used
to
be
because
of
the
current
situation?
H
M
Can
I
jump
in
so
couple
things:
revenue
parking,
meter,
revenue
that
has
been
established,
which
is
contributory
to
our
pension
obligation,
is
completely
off
the
table.
Can't
do
it,
it
has
to
be
newly
created
revenue.
As
councilman
gross
was
saying.
We
had
never
collected
parking
revenue
after
six
pm
anywhere
in
the
city,
and
so
our
revenue
collection
is
six
to
midnight
two
nights
a
week
and
completely
fits
within
our
obligation
to
sequester
those
other
parking
meter
monies
towards
our
obligation
for
pension.
The.
M
I
guess
the
the
challenge-
I
guess
that
that
you
would
face
would
be
to
look
at
your
your
district
holistically.
M
I-
and
this
really
is-
is
not
any
my
business,
but
as
a
just
as
a
suggestion.
The
north
shore
and
the
amount
of
traffic
and
the
amount
of
meters
that
are
there
would
be
a
perfect
opportunity,
a
parking
enhancement
district
to
help
offset
the
the
impact
which
is
good.
M
We
want
people
to
come
and
visit
and
you
know,
participate
in
all
the
amenities
of
the
city,
but
there
is
a
cost
that
comes
to
that,
which
is
largely
borne
by
residents,
who
are
paying
the
property
tax
to
provide
the
revenue
to
do
these
kinds
of
to
do
these
kinds
of
things.
So
our
our
reduction
in
in
the
revenue
we
have
been
able
to
collect
it
is
about
50
reduced,
but
I
think,
there's
a
silver
lining
in
there
in
that.
M
If
we
are
still
collecting
almost
2500
a
weekend
on
670
meters,
there
is
still
a
very
strong
interest
in
people
coming
out
to
food
and
beverage
business
to
supporting
food
and
beverage
business
and
understanding
the
importance
of
food
and
beverage
business.
To
the
economy,
so
that
is
a
bright
spot.
I
think
the
the
high
point
again
was
about
4
400,
but
that's
when
everything
was
fully
activated.
M
We
expect
to
get
back
to
that
number
at
some
point
in
time,
but
it
will
be
dependent
upon
the
number
of
people
that
choose
to
come
out
and
participate
once
again
in
in
large
business
districts
like
east
carson
street.
I'm
actually
encouraged
that
we're
at
around
50
of
what
we
were
bringing
in,
I
think
it
speaks.
I
think
it
speaks
well
to
people's
commitment
to
socialization
to
being
out
and
about
to
being
around
one
another,
and
you
know
breaking
bread
if
you
will
with
with
one
another.
M
So
2400
is
bringing
us
right
around
10
000
a
month
which
is
about
what
we
spend
on
the
clean
team,
it's
10
between
10
and
11..
We
have
a
reserve
right
now.
I
I'm
afraid
to
venture
how
much
that
is,
but
it
is
somewhere
around
the
200
000
mark
we're
being
very
careful
about
how
we
spend
that
they
are
publicly
collected
dollars.
So
they
are
legislated.
M
M
We
do
pay
for
enforcement,
it
is
about
300
a
weekend
that
goes
to
the
parking
authority
for
the
enforcement
of
the
of
the
meters,
and
that
comes
off
the
top
and
then,
of
course,
we
contract
for
the
services
which
are
known
as
block
by
block
through
the
downtown
partnership
we
piggyback
on
their
contract
and
use
block
by
block
to
do
it,
and
I
gotta
tell
you
these
guys
are
absolutely
amazing.
M
Seven
days
a
week,
there
are
people
on
the
street
and
whether
it
is
you
know,
power
washing
garbage
cans
or
collecting,
like
I
said,
an
average
sixteen
thousand
tons
or
pounds
of
garbage
a
month.
I
know
the
last
couple
weeks
they've
been
focused
on
77
new
street
trees
that
we
have
making
sure
that
they're
weeded
and
mulched
keeping
the
curb
lines
clean,
removing
graffiti
stickers.
M
Once
the
construction
is
done
on
the
east
carson
street
quarter,
which
is
a
massive
penndot
project,
we'll
probably
want
to
do
some
power
washing
which
will
come
out
of
this
as
well
too,
and
I
can't
stress
enough
that
these
are
supplemental
dollars
that
you
know
bill
jones
and
mary
smith
are
not
covering
that
they
are
covered
by
people
who
choose
to
come
in
and
participate
in
the
business
district.
So
it's
a
win-win
all
the
way
around
and
council's
always
been.
C
Thank
you.
Is
there
any
further
discussion,
just
just
if
I
could
add
on
and
for
clarity,
our
pension
funding
comes
strictly
from
the
parking
tax,
the
actual
street
and
lot
revenue
goes
to
our
general
fund.
With
that
being
in
mind,
given
the
year
the
current
budget
situation
that
we're
currently
under,
I
believe,
councilman
wilson.
You
are
a
representative
on
the
parking
authority
board,
maybe
we're
having
a
conversation
about.
Where
can
we
pick
up
potential
additional
revenue
from
increased
metering?
C
I
believe
it
was
councilman
gross
who
talked
about
parts
of
street
where
people
don't
park.
If
you
look
at
bigelow
boulevard
as
an
example
directly
across
from
shanley
high
school,
will
the
former
chilean
high
school
people
will
utilize
that,
as
this
meter
and
people
will
park
there,
if
you
go
across
the
street
from
center
avenue,
almost
no
one
uses
that
meter
block.
C
But
if
you
go
just
a
little
bit
further
back
on
bigelow
boulevard
from
where
some
city
steps
come
down
all
the
way
to
the
bloomfield
bridge,
everyone
parks
there
every
single
morning
for
free
and
walks
into
oakland
to
go
work
and
so
we're
losing
all
of
that
revenue.
So
it
just
may
be
worthwhile
having
a
conversation
with
the
parking
authority
about
where
can
we
be
picking
up
additional
revenue
in
a
year
where
we're
short,
100
million.
H
C
Cool.
Thank
you
any
further
discussion
right,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Thank
you.
Bill
is
recommended
that
takes
us
to
land
use
and
economic
development
committee
chaired
by
mr
wilson.
We
have
one
deferred
paper
bill,
645.
B
M
Okay,
thank
you
yeah,
so
we
had
the
public
hearing
last
week
and
we
had
a
couple
speakers
residents
from
south
oakland
received
a
couple.
Letters
read
a
statement
by
the
mayor
who
came
out
in
full
support
of
the
nomination,
for
those
of
you
that
might
not
be
aware
of
this,
it
is
the
statue
is,
is
very
lovingly
referred
to
as
our
lady
of
the
parkway.
M
It
is
a
statue,
a
shrine
to
the
blessed
mother
that
was
established
by
oakland
residents
back
in
1954-ish,
excuse
me
and
has
been
maintained
by
those
volunteers
this
this
entire
time
and
while
there
was
a
proposed
construction
project
taking
place
which
would
have
come
up
bait
street
and
into
that
portion
of
south
oakland,
there
was
genuine
concern
that
that
monument
could
be
lost
and
I
began
getting
calls
from
residents
concerned
that
it
could
possibly
be
lost,
and
so
that
started
me
on
this
journey
to
work
with
sarah
and
matt
to
nominate
the
statute
to
be
an
historic
landmark.
M
I
am
the
nominator
of
it.
It
has
passed
through
the
historic
review
commission
unanimously.
It
passed
through
the
planning
commission
unanimously
and
I'd
like
to
have
it
pass
through
city
council
unanimously
as
well
too,
and
if
anyone
wishes
further
information,
I'm
happy
to
share
it
with
you.
But
I
appreciate
your
support
today.
I
I'm
very
confused
on
this,
who
is
the
owner
of
the
property?
I
guess
I
don't
understand
this
because
we're
not
actually
nominating
the
shrine.
M
Oops,
the
if
I
may,
the
owner
of
the
property,
is
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
only
city
of
pittsburgh.
Property
is
in
the
nomination.
I
C
H
Yeah
sorry,
I
feel,
like
I
keep
keeping
the
ass
councilman
krause
questions
today.
H
I
just
had
a
question
about
the
the
land,
so
I
guess
we
we've
currently
been
maintained
the
land
already
since
we
own
it,
and
this
designates
it
as
the
land
is
historic
or
the
property.
Is
this
like?
Is
there
a
plan
to
continue
to
maintain
this,
or
do
we
have
clean
cleaning
lean?
Do
this.
F
M
Yeah
from
the
from
it's
very
origin,
it
has
been
maintained
by
volunteers.
The,
as
I
understand
it,
the
city,
the
property
is
city
property.
There
is
one
very
small
part
of
parcel
that
is
owned
by
the
church,
but
it
is
not
part
of
the
historic
nomination
and
the
statue
is
so.
I
think
it
would
be
better
it'd
be
a
better
discussion
if
we
were
to
bring
sarah
in
to
ask
your
your
couple,
technical
questions
and
let
her
let
her
respond.
M
So,
madam
clerk,
if
we
could
reach
out
to
our
historic,
preservationist,
planner
and
then
come
back
to
this
bill,
and
we
can
answer
those
technical
questions.
M
C
G
Bill
732
resolution
providing
for
a
professional
service
agreement
with
big
picture
lab
llc
for
vehicle
production
services
in
an
amount
not
to
exceed
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
of
the
total
cost.
Twelve
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
will
come
from
the
hood
trust
fund
and
twelve
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
will
come
from
the
commission's
community
development
block,
grant
funding.
B
C
Any
opposed
bill
will
be.
Bill
is
recommended
that
takes
us
to
intergovernmental
affairs
committee
chaired
by
councilman
gross.
We
have
one
deferred
paper
bill,
299.
K
B
C
M
Chair,
would
you
permit
me
if
I
may
just
quickly
the
entire
packet
on
the
nomination
is
included
with
our
council
packet
today,
so
you
already
have
what
it
is
that
you
need
councilman
burgess.
C
Okay,
let's
finish
voting
on
the
last
bill,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
two
week
old,
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed.
They
will
be
held
two
weeks
that
takes
us
back
to
the
currently
open
bill,
which
is
bill.
645.
M
So,
for
the
sake
of
expediency
we
could
vote
today.
The
councilman
does
have
the
complete
packet
of
of
information
on
the
nomination
that
should
answer
any
technical
questions
that
he
has,
but
if
that
doesn't
suffice,
I'll
be
happy
to
meet
offline
with
he
and
sarah.
Both
to
answer
whatever
of
remaining
questions,
you
might
have.
I
Mr
mr
chair,
yes,
my
understanding
is
that
what
they're
actually
doing
is
they're
not
nominating
the
shrine,
because
you
can't
nominate
this
ryan
because
it's
religious,
which
I
see
it
from
the
beginning.
What
they're
doing
is
to
protect
the
shrine
they're
they're,
going
to
nominate
the
land
around
the
sram,
the
public
land
around
the
shrine.
The
shrine
itself,
though,
is
not
being
nominated
but
they're,
which,
which
I
don't
necessarily
oppose.
I
just
think
it's
a
backdoor
way
again
to
take
away
the
property
rights
of
the
owner
of
the
shrine.
I
I
think
that,
because
the
whole
intention
is
to
protect
the
shrine
that
I
don't
really
if
the
church
wants
to
try
and
protect
it,
I'm
in
favor
of
it,
but
again
it's
the
church's
call.
It
should
not
be
council's
call
to
decide
what
the
church
wants,
because
what
we're
doing
is
we're
not
nominating
iran,
we're
nominating
all
the
land
around
the
shrine
to
protect
the
shrine
without
even
talking
to
or
having
any
input
from
the
owner
of
the
shrine,
which
is
the
catholic
church.
M
I
M
M
I
I
Perhaps
if
you
would
let
me
let
me
stop
there,
I
don't.
I
that's
my
understanding,
I'm
looking
at
a
memo
from
jack
miller
from
the
law
department
and
that's
the
that's
the
indication
that
the
law
department
has
sent
me.
They
may
be
an
error
and
I
may
be
reading
it
wrong
because
I'm
old
and
my
eyes
are
bad,
but
I
just
think
that
this
we're
going
down
a
dangerous
again.
We
should
have
the
owner's
per
owner
support.
I
That's
all
I'm
saying:
whenever
we're
doing
something
for
an
owner
of
a
piece
of
property,
we
should
have
the
owner's
support
and
whether
the
owner
supports
it.
I'm
you
know
I'm
with
it.
If
the
owner
doesn't
support
it,
I'm
not
with
it.
I
just
want
to
clearly
know
because
the
owners
their
ears
are
owner
of
it,
whoever
the
owner
is.
I
want
to
know
what
they're
with
whether
they
support
it
or
not.
That's
that's
my
only
concern.
I
The
shrine
has
an
owner,
it
has
a
legal
owner.
Every
piece
of
property
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
has
a
legal
owner.
We
do
not
own
the
sharon.
Someone
does
own
this
right.
Whoever
owns
the
shrine,
we
should
figure
out,
whoever
that
is
what
their
stance
is
before
we
decide
to
take
away
their
property
rights.
That's
all
I'm
saying.
M
Right
and
I
you
know,
councilman,
you
are
more
than
welcome
to
vote
against
this
today.
It
had
unanimous
approval
from
the
historic
review
commission.
It
had
unanimous
support
from
the
planning
commission
and
it
has
a
public
statement
in
full
support
by
the
mayor.
I
don't
know
what
else
I
can
tell
you
to
do.
Vote
against
a
councilman
you're
welcome
to
do
so.
C
I
see
her
name
she's,
currently
muted,.
M
M
There
appears
to
be
a
technical
question,
that's
being
asked
by
councilman
burgess
as
to
the
ownership
of
the
shrine
itself
and
if
we
are
nominating
the
land
as
historic
or
if
we
are
nominating
the
shrine
as
historic
or
nominating
both
as
historic.
I
think
I
kind
of
condensed
those
questions.
P
Well,
I
mean
I,
I
can
tell
you
we
are
not
including
the
parcel
that
is
owned
by
the
catholic
diocese
right,
so.
P
I
M
I
I
I
just
I'm
very
I'm
sorry,
but
I'm
very
gun
shy
about
taking
away
property
right
explicitly
from
churches.
It's
it's
it
it's!
What
started
me
on
this
bandwagon
of
thinking
that
the
that
the
historic
nomination
process
is
inherently
and
fatally
flawed
because
of
taking
property
rights
from
religious
institutions
when
I
was
first
as
first
member
of
council,
that's
what
they
did
to
the
salvation
army.
This
council
took
away
the
property
rights
of
a
church
for-
and,
I
believe
very
very,
I
think,
suspect
and
somewhat
discriminatory
reasons.
So
from
that
day.
I
P
P
Pli
citations
or
anything
like
that
on
this
property.
What
makes
this
parse,
what
makes
this
site
special
is
the
fact
that
it
has
evolved
over
the
years
only
at
the
behest
of
those
that
use
it.
There
was
there's
no
there's
no
regulation.
There's
no!
You
know,
oversight
by
the
diocese,
there's
none
of
that.
Okay.
So
nobody
there
are
no
rights
to
be
taken
away.
I
guess
is
what
I'm
saying,
because
then
the
intention
was
to
never
cite
anybody
for
anything.
P
If
you,
if
you
go
out
there
and
you
take
a
look
at
this
place,
part
of
the
charm
of
it,
if
you
remember
fair
haven
church,
we
did
down
on
route
51.
P
One
of
the
great
things
about
that
that
church
is
is
that
it
was
started
by
welsh
miners,
basically
with
anything
they
could
find.
That
fell
off
a
truck
that
they
could
put
together
to
make
a
building
to
worship
in,
and
so
the
fact
that
it's
got
donated
vinyl
siding
on
it
now
would
make
some
folks
think.
Well,
what's
you
know?
I
P
Well,
I
mean
the
thing
about
the
thing
about
it
is:
is
that
you
know
the
the
the
people
that
the
folks
that
put
this
together
were
from?
I
mean
you
can
read
it
in
the
staff
report.
There
was,
you
know,
italian
catholics,
german
catholics,
a
whole
bunch
of
different
groups
got
together
just
from
living
in
the
neighborhood
together
and
decided
to
put
this
together,
and
so
you
know
they
didn't
work
with
the
church
directly
on
this
and
and
and
we
know
how
the
church
feels
about
their
property
being
listed.
P
I
So
this
is
again
I
this
is.
This
is
the
process
I
think
that's
unfair.
I
think
it's
unfair
to
take
away
property
rights
of
owners
without
their
consent
and
to
do
and
do
it
sort
of
this
way
sneakily
to
surround
it
and
take
away
all
the
property
rights
around
the
church's
property.
While
talking
to
the
church,
as
she
said,
we
know
how
the
church
feels
about
it.
So,
let's
just
not
talk
to
the
church.
Let's
take
everything
make
it
historic,
not
talk
to
the
church,
not
include
the
church
in
the
process.
I
That's
wrong,
you're,
taking
away
their
property
rights.
That's
what
this
is
it's
a
taking.
We
should
not
do
things
like
this
without
fear.
This
is
not
right.
Every
time
we
do
it,
it's
wrong.
It's
wrong.
The
first
time
we
did
it
in
multitemple
it'll
be
wrong.
The
second
time
we
do
it
it'll
be
wrong.
The
third
time
we
do
it
it'll
be
wrong.
The
fourth
time
we
do
it
it'll
be
wrong.
The
fifth
time
we
do
it.
It
doesn't
matter,
that's
a
story,
it
doesn't
matter
it's
worth.
I
We
should
not
be
taking
property
and
we
shouldn't
be
doing
it
this
way,
if
the
ch,
without
now,
if
the
church
participates
and
says
it's
okay,
I'm
with
it,
but
you
can't
just
say:
well,
you
know
what
church
we
don't
like
what
you
believe
so
we're
going
to
take
everything
else
around
you
and
isolate
you.
So
you
can't
if
you
want
to
later
develop
that
property,
we'll
make
sure
you
never
can.
This
is
what
this
is.
I
guess
intended
to
do
it.
I
It
just
didn't
look
right
to
me
when
it
came
up,
because
I
know
you
can't
you
can't
nominate
religious
structures.
I
know
that
and
I
couldn't
figure
out
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
do
this.
I
don't
think
this
is
right.
No,
I
I'm
not
telling
other
people
how
to
vote,
but
this
is.
This
is
an
example
of
what
we
do
as
this
council
that
I've
told
over
and
over
again
is
not
right,
historic
resident.
We
should
not
take
people's
property
rights,
we
shouldn't
do
it.
N
N
I've
really
noticed
that
there's
a
difference
between
denominations
and
how
they
handle
property
rights.
So,
for
example,
I
ask
you
to
think
back
to
the
example
of
when
you
first
got
on
council.
Did
that
parish
or
congregation
own
that
property.
I
N
A
question
in
front
of
us
about
how
we
define
like
who
who
is
the
church?
Is
it
the
people
that
we
represent,
or
is
it
these
kind
of
overseers
from
far
away?
And
that's
really
the
conversation
that
I'm
hearing
from
my
constituents
right?
They
feel
ownership
because
they've
invested
their
own
blood,
sweat
and
tears
dollars
and
lives
entire
lifetimes.
N
You
know
sustaining
literally
the
property
and
the
congregation
I'm
trying,
I'm
struggling
again
with
vocabulary,
but
I
think
this
is
actually
part
of
the
debate.
That's
important!
That's
in
front
of
us!
It
may
be
relevant
here
too,
and
the
way
I
heard
is
quinn
talk
about
the
people
who
own
and
created
and
donated
their
their
labor,
their
time,
the
supplies
and
that
it
belongs.
They
feel
it
belongs
to
them
and
then
maybe
a
diocese
in
this
case
really
only
claiming
ownership
of
the
land.
N
I'm
really
not
claiming
ownership
of
the
structure
on
the
land,
whether
even
if,
whatever
size
structure
it
is,
and
then
other
cases
like
in
the
the
areas
that
I
represent
for
st
rayfields
in
morningside
for
regretti
and
in
bloomfield
and
possibly
more
parishes
to
come.
The
parish
has
tried
to
claim
ownership
of
the
property
and
been
you
know
in
a
legal,
isn't
a
legal
battle
at
the
vatican,
under
both
civil
law
here
and
at
church
law
in
the
vatican,
has
us
an
appeal
to
claim
ownership
against
the
overseers.
N
Oh
church,
the
larger
denomination,
and
so
you
know
when
we
when
we
talk
about
church,
I
almost
wish
we
had
better
vocabulary
here,
because
this
you
know
is
the
church,
the
people
or
is
the
church,
the
you
know,
international
legal
structure.
I
think
it's
an
important
question
that
it's
probably
not
a
question
for
this
for
right
now
today,
wednesday,
but
I
think,
is
a
larger
conversation.
Then
I
would
like
to
explore
more.
I
Sure
I
could
go
down
that
road.
I
can
go
down
that
road
because
that's
my
life,
that's
if
you
want
me
to
I
can
answer
that
question.
I
started
off
church
of
god
in
christ
and.
I
I'm
not
trying
to
visually
I'm
just
explaining
to
him,
I'm
not
trying
to
lecture
and
explain
to
you
that
there
are
two
because
of
martin
luther
and
the
reformation
against
the
church,
the
catholic
church,
the
protestant
church
was
established
and
there's
really
kind
of
two
different
churches
right.
There
is
a
church
that
is
the
universal
church,
which
is
what
we
think
of
the
word
catholic
means
universal
right,
a
large
church
and
then
there's
a
local
church
right,
but
in
terms
of
denominations
denominations,
determine
their
organizational
structure.
I
There
are
some
denominations,
such
as
the
presbyterians,
the
salvation
army,
the
catholic
church,
where
the
church
is
defined
by
the
denomination
and
so
all
methodists
unite.
African-American
organizations
like
amy
zion
amy,
where
the
denomination
owns
all
properties.
All
properties
are
owned
as
a
group
right,
and
so
so
the
presbyterian
church
is
owned
by
the
presbytery.
The
ame
churches
are
owned
by
the
ame
church
right
there
are
some
of
us
who
decided
that
you
know
we
rather
have
local
control.
The
reason
that
I'm
not
an
episcopal
priest.
I
Although
I
have
some
sympathetic
sympathy,
I
was
trained
by
catholics.
I
understand
the
catholic
denomination.
I
you
know
they
wanted
me
to
be
a
priest,
so
I
know
a
lot
about
being
a
priest
and
the
episcopal
nomination.
I
I
didn't
become
a
priest
because
I
want
to
be
married
and
have
children,
episcopal
guy
says
unless
you
get
married
and
have
kids,
and
so
I
I
was
attractive
to
me
at
one
point,
but
the
reason
I
did
not
was
because
I
believe
in
local
control
of
church,
which
is
why
I'm
a
baptist
that's
one
of
our
fundamental
tenants,
and
so
the
people
who
join
those
local
churches
know
from
the
beginning
from
day
one
that
those
churches
have
these
polity,
determinations
that
the
catholic
church
is
a
universal
organization
that
the
you
know,
methodist
church,
those
almost
all
the
churches
that
have
bishops
as
a
signal.
I
N
L
N
I
Yeah
and
we
can
always
use
as
we
have-
we
can
always
use
public.
We
can
use
council,
has
the
authority
to
use
its
land
use
and
to
use
historic
nomination
as
a
weapon.
We
can
always
do
that.
We
can
rob
churches,
we
can
rob,
we
can
rob
owners
of
their
property
rights
whenever
we
change.
I
But
no
I'm
saying
council
can
do
that.
Council
has
done
that,
and
council
can
do
that.
It
doesn't
make
it
right
it
just
because
this
cause,
we
can
do
it.
Lots
of
things
we
can
do
doesn't
mean
it's
right
to
do.
Taking
away
people's
property
rights
is
not
right
to
do
it
just
isn't,
and
this
is
a
taking.
C
Thank
you,
councilman
coghill,.
K
Hey,
I
just
want
to
say
first
of
all,
councilman
burgess
and
I
I
think
we're
on
the
same
page
as
far
as
the
historic
preservation
goes.
I
think
we
see
things
in
the
same
light
and
I
wanted
to
ask
you:
I
am
having
a
post
agenda
with
them.
I
I'm
not
quite
sure
to
date,
but
you
know
I
wouldn't.
I
would
ask
all
council
members
to
be
there,
but
councilman
burgess.
I
would
ask
you
to
be
there
as
well
to
address
the
same
issues
that
we're
talking
about.
K
You
know,
so
I
agree
with
you
in
many
aspects.
However,
I've
heard
you
say
many
times
and
I
agree
with
this-
is:
if
the
landowner
objects,
then
I
am
not
for
it.
Okay,
in
this
case
it
doesn't.
I
don't
see
any
objections.
I
don't
see
it.
Certainly
if
it's
on
this,
whether
it's
on
the
city
of
pittsburgh
property
or
whether
on
the
catholic
diocese
property,
I
don't
see
any
objections
so
so
I'll
be
glad
to
support
it.
K
It
sounds
like
something
that
the
community
is
invested
in
for
many
many
years
now
and
far
be
it
for
me
to
get
in
the
way
of
that.
So,
but
with
that
you
know,
I
have
many
concerns
about
the
historic
preservation
and
I
look
forward
to
carrying
that
conversation
into.
So
these
things
don't
happen
at
the
objection
of
the
property
owner.
I
They
didn't
include
the
church
on
purpose.
This
is
a
sneaky
way
to
do
it
because
they
knew
the
church
would
object
to
it.
So
they
do
everything
around
the
church.
Don't
include
the
church,
so
they
can
take
away
the
rights
of
the
church.
Has
the
church
objected,
the
church
isn't
nominated,
they
did.
Is
they
took
everything
except
the
church's
property,
so
they
took
everything
around
it.
Didn't
include
the
church
property,
so
they
didn't
have
to
give
the
church
refuse
it.
I
So
what
they're
really
doing
is
taking
away
the
rights,
because
the
church
will
keep
its
own
property
rights
except
everything
around.
It
will
be
historic,
so
it
won't
be
able
to
ever
redevelop
it
use
it
it'll
be
encircled
by
this
public
land
that
we're
dominating.
So
it
is
a
backdoor
way
of
making
of
taking
away
the
church's
property
right.
So,
mr.
M
C
H
Thank
you.
So
if
the
chair,
if
the
statue
which
this
was
all
you
know
for,
is
not
on
a
piece
of
property
that
we
are
nominating
so
sarah,
can
you
confirm
that
that
the
church
the
church
is
going
to
mean.
P
As
I
said,
I
think
this
is
something
we
need
to
confirm
with
the
gis.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
there's
you
know.
There
are
plenty
of
other
things
out
there
to
to
make
this
legitimate
nomination,
including
the
large
spring,
coming
from
the
hillside
up
up
sort
of
the
walkway
from
where
the
largest
statue
is.
So
that's
what
I
can
tell
you
guys
for
now
I
mean
we
can.
I
can
ask
gis
to
review
it
see
if
they
can
find
the
information.
P
H
H
H
B
H
H
H
M
H
You
so
what
I've
learned?
I'm
glad
we're
on
this
discussion,
because
what
I've
learned
in
public
hearing
is
that
questions
are
limited
and
you're
not
really
permitted
to
ask
questions.
So
so
thank
you
for
you
know
taking
this
time.
So
all
right
I
mean
I
don't
know
I
guess
for
me.
I
would
like
to
to
know
who
I
would
like
to
know
which
parcel
the
statue
is
on
and
now
you're
talking
about
a
spring
and
I'm
just
curious
like.
P
H
I
could
sorry
I'm
looking
I'm
looking
at
that
and
I'm
confirming
to
myself
that
this
parcel
is
not
the
one
that's
being
nominated
okay,
so
that
that
help
that
okay,
I
understand-
I
understand
it's
really
nominating
all
the
parcels
around
it,
but
this
is
an
effort
to
say
that
you
know
this
is
going
to
save
the
statute.
Okay,.
P
C
M
M
M
M
It
is,
it
is
not
we're
not
talking
about
just
this
individual
statute,
we're
talking
about
the
shrine,
as
it
is
inclusive
in
everything
that
exists
on
that
on
that
site
and
everything
that
exists
on
that
site
is
on
city
of
pittsburgh
property.
The
councilman
can
argue
that
we
are
taking
away
the
rights
of
the
church,
but
his
argument
is
to
take
away
the
rights
of
the
people
that,
since
1956,
have
invented
and
maintained
and
expanded
and
cared
for
this
completely
unique
pittsburgh
property
that
we
wish
to
protect.
M
M
The
councilman
doesn't
wish
to
see
that
he
may
put
in
all
the
spurious
arguments
that
he
wishes
to
do,
but
it
does
not
change
the
fact
that
this
the
ownership
of
this
is
broad.
It
is
the
neighborhood
of
south
oakland
collectively
that
owns
the
the
ornamentation
on
the
property
and
the
property
is
owned
by
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
M
M
In
fact,
I
guess
I'm
going
to
the
shrine
of
the
blessed
mother
is
a
unique
representation
of
lay
catholic
religious
devotion
in
pittsburgh,
founded
and
founded
and
maintained
by
a
community
from
different
cultural
backgrounds
who
have
established
routine
practices
centered
on
the
shrine.
The
shrine
should
be
considered
a
traditional
cultural
site
because
of
its
cultural
importance
to
a
community
of
worshipers
who,
over
the
past
seven
decades,
regularly
make
pilgrims
worshipped
at
and
cared
for
its
upkeep
integral
to
the
understanding.
The
significance
of
the
shrine
to
the
community
it
serves.
M
While
the
term
shrine
has
differing
meanings
across
cultural
and
religious
practice,
the
catholic
church
establishes
the
meaning
of
the
term
in
its
own
belief,
structure
in
canon
law,
and
it
goes
on
to
describe
what
that
is.
The
community
of
worshipers
deserve
equal
consideration
and
definition
to
help
understand
the
shrine's
significance.
M
The
shrine
is
comprised
entirely
of
vernacular
expressions
that
reflect
individual
contributions,
visually
respected
of
its
worshippers,
the
wooden
post,
and
it
goes
on
to
describe
different
things
about
the
about
the
actual
structure
of
the
site
under
the
integrity
of
of
this
nomination
as
a
traditional
cultural
site,
the
shrine
of
the
blessed
mother
retains
a
high
degree
of
integrity
and
location
setting
workmanship,
feeling
and
association.
M
The
shrine
maintain
remains
in
its
original
location
on
the
cliff
side
of
south
oakland,
while
the
physical
setting
has
become
more
verdant
over
time.
The
manicured
landscape,
sparsely
populated
with
trees,
remains
a
consistent
reflection
of
the
physical
condition
present
at
its
founding
helps
to
us
distinguish
the
site
from
the
foliage
of
the
surrounding
hillside
and
maintains
its
visible
relationship
with
the
parkway
east.
The
shrine
of
the
blessed
mother
also
maintains
its
integrity
of
workmanship,
feeling
and
association
to
the
presence
of
architecture,
structure
and
and
scriptural
manifestation
at
the
site.
This
site
is
completely.
M
I
might
be
I'm
not
100
sure
I
can't
believe
we're
having
this
conversation.
It's
trumpian
in
nature
and
it
is
the
intent-
is
to
riddle
the
conversation
with
confusion
and
misrepresentation
to
satisfy
the
councilman's
desire
to
see
this
fail.
I'm
gonna,
I'm
not
done
yet.
I'm
not
done
yet
councilman.
M
I
still
have
the
floor.
I'm
digesting
the
the
the
councilman's
self-importance,
I'm.
I
M
mayor
roy
peduto
issued
the
following
statement
in
support
of
the
historic
designation
of
the
shrine
of
the
blessed
mother
ahead
of
history
review
by
the
planning
commission,
and
so
I
quote
today.
The
planning
commission
will
review
historic
designation
plans
for
the
shrine
of
the
blessed
mother,
a
shrine
located
on
a
south
oakland
hilltop,
overlooking
the
parkway
east
of
monongahela
rivers.
M
The
shrine
is
also
visible
to
tens
of
thousands
of
motorists
who
use
the
parkway
east
daily
bernadette
fricke,
a
family
member
of
one
of
the
shrine's
founders
recently
said.
The
shrine
of
the
blessed
mother
in
oakland
should
be
designated
as
an
historic
site,
as
it
reflects
the
qualities
that
make
pittsburgh
so
special
without
government
or
private
management
or
supervision.
M
It
was
created
and
maintained
by
a
diverse
group
of
people
from
all
over
the
city.
It
has
been
a
place
of
inspiration,
reflection
and
spirituality
for
pittsburghers,
regardless
of
race,
gender
or
religion.
The
shrine
has
weathered
the
economic
and
social
changes
of
the
past
60
years
with
the
same
resilience
that
has
enabled
pittsburgh
to
remain
a
strong,
vibrant
and
unique
community.
M
As
a
native
pittsburgher
and
a
daughter
of
one
of
the
founders
of
the
shrine,
I
can
think
of
no
other
property
in
the
city
that
reflects
the
unconquerable
spirit
and
love
of
community
than
the
shrine
of
the
blessed
mother.
The
shrine
of
the
blessed
mother
continues
to
bring
together
our
diverse
neighborhoods
and
visitors,
who
come
from
all
cultural
and
ethical
backgrounds,
ethnic
backgrounds
for
pilgrimage
and
worship.
The
site
was
created
by
community
designed
for
community
and
maintained
for
generations
by
the
community
for
the
community
and
deserves
protection
through
historic,
designation.
M
After
the
councilman's
argument
that
somehow
a
small
sliver
of
property
that
is
presently
owned
by
the
catholic
church,
which
was
donated
by
the
originator
of
this
shrine,
somehow
takes
away
their
rights
and
what
about
the
rights
of
all
of
the
work
that
that
that
surrounds
all
of
the
parcels
owned
by
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
the
and
the
sweat
and
equity
of
community
for
generations
to
care
for
their
site?
Those
are
the
rights
I'm
fighting
for,
and
I
ask
for
your
support
today.
Can
we
call
the
vote?
Mr
chair.
I
And
I
can
now
have
a
moment,
so
I
sent
in
your
email
all
of
your
email,
exactly
the
proof.
I
have
been
saying
notice
that
everything
they
talk
about
is
the
shrine
even
his
own
writing
talks
about
the
shrine
of
the
blessed
mother,
my
family,
my
wife,
was
catholic.
I
met
her
in
the
catholic
church.
Her
grandmother
was
a
charismatic
catholic,
her
aunt
traveled,
to
metagory
to
see
the
miracles
of
the
blessed
mother.
I
There
was
a
statue
of
mary
in
front
of
the
house.
I
lived
in
with
my
grandmother,
I'm
very
aware
of
the
reverence
for
mary
and
the
catholic
church.
The
shrine,
according
to
the
law
department,
is
located
on
l
b
29-c
22,
which
is
owned
by
say,
a
jockman's
church
that
place
that
parcel
that
the
shrine
was
located
on
is
exempt
from
the
nomination
on
purpose
because
they
can't
nominate
it.
They
are
not
nominating
the
shrines.
I
What
they
are
doing
is
nominating
everything
around
the
shrine
so
that
they
can
take
away
the
property
rights
of
the
people
who
own
the
shrine.
The
shrine
is
not
being
nominated.
It
is
not
because
it's
on
catholic
church-
and
they
all
know
this-
that's
why
they
wouldn't
answer
the
question
20
minutes
ago,
when
I
said
it
because
they
know
this
to
be
true,
they
are
taking
away
the
property
rights
of
the
catholic
church.
It
may
be
for
good
reason,
but
that's
why
the
catholic
church
was
not
contemplated,
considered
discussed.
I
They
purposely
left
off
the
one
person
that
the
shrine
is
on
notice
the
whole
conversations
about
the
shroud,
but
we're
not
nominating
this
rank.
We
nominate
everything
but
the
shrine,
because
we
can't
nominate
the
shrine,
but
we
can
rob
the
catholic
church
of
its
property
rights
by
doing
it.
This
way
this
is
a
taking
and
it's
still
wrong.
It
may
be
for
the
right
reason,
but
it's
the
wrong
process.
We
should
not
be
doing
this.
I
P
B
P
I
M
A
sabotage
through
the
back
door,
you
would
have
had
this
information
before
trying
to
bring
this
up
at
the
at
the
11th
hour.
You're.
I
Councilman,
I
suggest
to
you-
and
I
will
continue
that,
what
you're
really
doing
and
whether
I'm
not
saying
where
the
church's
position
is,
but
what
this
is
without
the
church
saying.
Yes,
we
want
to
do
this
you're,
taking
all
the
property
surrounding
the
church,
not
including
this
round,
because
the
shrine
is
on
catholic
property
and
catholic
church.
You
could
nominate
to
shrine,
so
this
is
a
backdoor
way
of
doing
it.
I
think
that's
wrong.
I
We
do
community
people
take
care
of
stuff
all
the
time
that
doesn't
make
the
that
doesn't
make
them
owners
of
it.
They
take
care
of
freedom
corner,
they
don't
own
freedom
corner
just
because
you
take
care
of
something,
doesn't
give
you
sweat,
equity
and
ownership,
and
so
I
think
we
should
have
a
conversation
with
the
catholic
church
to
see
their
position.
I
They
may
be
100
in
favor
of
this,
which
would
be
great,
but
we
should
not
unilaterally
take
away
the
rights
of
the
church
simply
because
we,
whoever
the
we
are,
have
the
power
to
do
it.
It's
not
right
and
I've
been
consistent.
This
is
not
a
sabotage.
I
have
been
consistent
with
this
argument
from
the
day
I
stepped
in
the
council.
I
I
said
this
over
and
over
and
over
again
that
we
should
not
take
property
rights
away
from
people
without
having
their
participation
and
their
consent,
and
that's
exactly
what
we're
doing
again
we're
taking
the
land
around
the
catholic
church's
land
without
a
clear
indication
as
and
we're
even
using
the
word
shrine.
All
the
language
he
talked
about
is
the
shrine,
the
shrine
this,
the
shrine
that,
where
the
shrine
is
located
on
church
property,
the
whole
intention
of
this
is
to
nominate
the
shrine,
that's
what
they
say.
Yet
they
have
not
talked
to
the
shrine's
owners.
I
H
Just
have
to,
I
don't
expect
anyone
to
answer
this
question,
but
councilman
burgess.
Well,
maybe
if
you
want
to
have
an
interrogative,
that's
fine
with
me.
I
want
to
know
I
I
do
I
do
see.
I
do
see
what
what's
what's
happening
here,
but
my
question
is
what
property
rights
do
we
take
away
if
we
don't,
if
we're
not
taking
away
their
property,
if
we're
not.
H
I
What
happens
is
they
will
never
be
able
to
redevelop
it
or
change
it
or
alter
it,
because
everything
around
it
will
be
historic,
so
everything
around
it
will
have
to
stay
exactly
like
it
is
right
and-
and
that
may
be,
that
may
be
what
they
want.
I'm
not
saying
it's
not
what
they
want.
I
just
think
that
they
will
not
be
able
to
expand
or
do
anything
else
with
this.
You
know
in
in
perpetuity
may
be
a
good
thing,
at
least
when
you're
doing
that,
though,
you
should
at
least
have
a
conversat.
I
I
guess
their
intention
really
is
to
protect
the
shrine.
That's
really
what
this
is,
but
they
can't
protect
the
shrine
because
it's
owned
by
the
church,
and
so
this
is
a
backdoor
way
of
doing
that
and
doing
that
without
the
church's
participation.
That's
really
my
problem
with.
It
is
they're
doing
something,
maybe
for
a
noble
reason,
but
they're
doing
it
without
direct
church
approval,
and
I
don't
think
that's
right,
it's
it's.
I
don't
think
it's
right,
I
don't
think
ever.
I
I
guess
I
really
believe
in
the
rights
of
the
church
and
whether
it's
a
local
church
or
a
universal
church
and
the
church
may
agree.
I
just
think
it
should.
It
should
not
have
been
done
this
way
without
the
church's
clear,
distinct
verbal
approval,
and
I
have
not
seen
that
yet
then
they
may
have
it
that's
all
I've
asked
for
is
what
is
the
church's
position?
I
don't
think
we
should
approve
this
without
knowing
up
front
what
the
church's
appreciation
is
whatever
that
is.
P
P
P
Their
opinion,
mr
ponticello,
did
not
feel
that
this
was
something
the
church
really
wanted
to
participate
in.
I
M
I
40
minutes
ago,
but
I
asked
the
question
40
minutes
ago.
I
asked
that
40
minutes
ago.
Did
the
church
approve
this
and
it
was
crickets.
I
asked:
was
the
shrine
on
city
property
or
on
church
property.
It
was
crickets
now,
of
course,
unlike
trump
I
get
to
the
truth.
The
truth
is
the
church
does
not
support
it.
One
two,
this
the
shrine,
is
absolutely
on
church's
property.
So
therefore,
like
I
said
from
the
beginning,
this
is
a
subtle
smart,
because
I
mean
I
agree
with
you.
I
This
was
a
very
clever
way
of
taking
away
the
church's
property
rights
without
having
the
church
involved.
Cleverly,
you
nominate
public
land
around
the
church,
knowing
that
the
church
can't
stop
you,
knowing
that
the
church
objects
to
get
to
your
purpose,
which
is
to
protect
the
shrine
which
is
owned
by
the
catholic
church.
I
get
what
you
want
to
do.
It's
just
wrong.
M
C
I
H
I
M
It
is
great,
it
is
not
the
intent.
Councilwoman
gross
reminds
me
it's
in
hillside
zoning.
It
is
undevelopable
under
its
zoning
application.
M
There
is
no
covert
activity
taking
place
here,
and
I
am
highly
offended
at
your
self-righteous
interjection
of
how
you
know
everything
about
everything
and
you've
never
even
visited
this
site.
You
don't
know
the
end.
The
importance
of
this
site
to
the
south
oakland
community
and
the
people
that
have
built
it
and
maintained
it
for
close
to
70
years.
I
I
Right
council
has
I've
admitted
from
the
beginning.
The
council
has
the
right
to
do
this.
I've
I
saw
them,
do
it
before
they
will
do
it
again.
You
know,
government
has
had
rights.
Government
had
the
right
to
have
women,
not
vote,
didn't
make
it
right.
Government
had
the
right
to
have
black
people,
not
vote,
didn't
make
it
right.
Government
has
their
way
to
take
away
property
rights,
doesn't
make
it
right.
Government
always
gets
to
do
these
things.
It
doesn't
make
it
right.
I
am
saying
this
is
not
right.
I
I
C
K
Hey,
let
me
just
sum
it
up
like
this.
For
me,
you
know
councilman
burgess.
I
understand
you're,
saying,
however,
this
property
was
donated
by
a
woman
who
owned
the
entire
parcel
one
time
she
donated
a
small
piece
of
it
to
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
sounds
like
for
this
memorial,
whether
it
prevents
the
catholic
church
from
developing
that
site
or
doing
what
they
want
on
it.
As
long
as
that
site
is
on
the
city
of
pittsburgh
property,
so
be
it
it's
on
our
land.
K
As
far
as
I'm
concerned
again,
councilman
burgess-
I
you
know-
I
want
to
have
this
conversation
with
the
historic
preservation
society
on
many
topics,
many
issues,
but
this
one
here
I
I
am
not
going
to
get
in
the
way
of
this
I'll-
be
happy
to
support
it
today,
regardless.
If
the
church
agrees
or
disagrees
with
it
and
I'm
glad
we
clarified
at
least
their
statement.
Sarah
had
mentioned
that
they.
K
It,
but
as
long
as
it's
not
on
the
church's
property,
you
know
it's
irrelevant
to
me
so
I'll
be
happy
to
support
it.
Let's
put
it
to
a
vote.
C
If
not,
I
will
weigh
in
only
because
I
at
one
point
also
represented
this
area
with
the
redistricting
that
went
to
councilman
carl,
so
I
actually
have
been
to
this
site
and
I'm
very
familiar
with
it.
My
understanding,
despite
all
of
what
we
just
went
through
was
this
site
was
created
by
residents
of
the
community.
They
took
care
of
it,
they
managed
it
for
decades.
C
At
some
point,
there
was
an
owner
who
gave
who
donated
a
piece
of
hers
to
the
diocese.
However,
they
will
always
stand
against
historical
nomination.
It's
I
think,
it's
more
of
just
a
sort
of
a
principled
thing,
not
necessarily
whether
or
not
they
actually
support
the
statute
or
the
shrine.
I
also
think
the
shrine
is
the
entirety
of
the
site
in
order
to
get
to
this
site.
C
You
have
to
one
know
how
to
actually
find
it,
which
was
hard
for
me
when
I
first
look
represented
the
area,
but
then
to
be
able
to
traverse
it
to
get
where
it
is,
and
then
the
other
reason
is
because
there's
nothing
else,
you
can
actually
do
with
this
hillside.
You
cannot
redevelop
it
there's
nothing
else.
We
can
do
with
it
other
than
maintain
what
is
currently
there,
and
so
for
those
reasons,
I'm
supportive.
C
So
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
any
opposed.
I
opposed
one
opposition,
one
one
opposed
the
bill
is
recommended
that
does
exhaust
our
agenda.
For
today
we
do
have
some
meeting
announcements
this
afternoon
at
2
p.m.
A
cable
cast
public
hearing
is
scheduled
via
the
zoom
platform
on
bill
198
regarding
the
zoning
code,
as
it
relates
to
eliminating
minimum
parking
requirements
for
single-family
attached
dwellings
to
register.
For
this
hearing,
please
call
the
clerk's
office
by
12
noon,
wednesday.
C
You
will
also,
you
may
also
submit
written
testimony
via
email
to
city
clerk's
office
at
pittsburgh.
Pa.Gov
next
week's
council's
regular
and
standing
committee
meetings
are
scheduled
for
next
tuesday
and
wednesday
respectively.
Both
at
10
am
call
the
city
clerk's
office
at
9
00
a.m.
The
morning
of
the
movie
to
register
to
speak
and
wednesday
october
7th
at
1
pm.
There's
a
cable
cast
posted
agenda
discussion
scheduled
via
the
zoom
platform
on
justice
related
and
human
services.
C
Just
so
members
are
aware,
I
will
not
be
able
to
attend
the
hearing
this
afternoon.
However,
the
topic
is
of
interest
to
me
because
it
will
have
a
serious
effect
within
my
district,
and
so
I
will
watch
it
after
the
fact
and
then
work
with
members
respectively.
Any
other
announcements
from
members
councilwoman.
N
Thank
you
tonight,
wednesday
september
30th,
there's
a
meeting
on
the
neighborways
that
jomi
is
hosting,
so
it's
not
a
city
council
hearing
and
I'm
actually
clicking
all
around,
because
I'm
looking
for
the
date
in
the
email
about
it
a
bit.
So
it's
definitely
tonight
and
I'm
looking
for
the
time
and
I
think
it's
six
o'clock
I
apologize.
N
That
is
anyone
on
the
call
who
can
clarify
that
time
with
date
or
mental
clerk.
You
don't
happen
to
have
that.
Do
you
councilman
strasberger,
do
you
happen
to
have
that
on
your
in
front
of
the
time
in
front
of
you
on
your
calendar?
N
There's
a
kind
of
dummy
joe
me
summit
on
neighborways.
Is
there
neighborways
happening
across
the
city?
These
are
the
streets
where
dummy
is
making
changes
so
that
cars
cannot
exceed
the
speed
limit,
as
they
do
on
many,
especially
like
the
tertiary
streets,
the
streets
that
run
through
neighborhoods
that
now
people
are
trying
to
cut
through
because
their
phones
or
apps
are
telling
them
to
so
I
apologize
I
do
want
to.
You
could
probably
go
to
the
dummy
website
which
I
didn't
try.
N
There
have
been
different
kinds
of
infrastructure
changes
from
everything,
from
traffic
circles
to
speed
humps
to
just
kind
of
narrowing,
intersections
pedestrian
safety.
Thank
you
to
my
staff
person,
james
murray,
who
just
texted
me
on
my
screen
right
in
front
of
me.
It
is
definitely
at
6
pm.
So
if
you
go
to
the
city
website
and
go
to
the
domey
page
on
the
sitting
website,
there's
a
zoom
link
that
so
you
can
log
in
it's
a
public
meeting.
That's
a
summit
about
all
things
neighborways!
N
I
just
want
to
clear
your
tent
because
it's
been
a
topic
of
conversation
across
many
parts
of
the
city.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you.
I'm
sorry
that
we
don't
have
all
council
members
here
still
at
the
meeting.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
was
really
concerned
with
the
tone
that
I
heard
us
talking
to
each
other
with
during
this
meeting.
O
People
more
than
ever
right
now
need
leadership,
they're
craving
leadership,
and
I
don't
think
I
think
it's
very
dangerous
when
the
tone
and
the
tenor
of
national
conversations
and
politics
starts
to
come
down
at
the
local
level.
We
are
all
on
the
same
team
and
we
are
all
working
to
move
the
city
forward
and
if
we
can't
work
with
each
other,
then
it's
going
to
hurt
the
pittsburgh
residents
more
than
anything.
O
So
for
those
who
aren't
still
on
this
call,
I'm
gonna
follow
up
with
them.
I'm
gonna
talk
to
them
about
that
as
well,
but
I
felt
a
strong
need
to
say
that
out
loud,
because
I
was
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
road
that
we're
going
down
with
the
tone
and
the
tenor
of
our
conversation
with
this
meeting
perfectly
fine
to
disagree
with
one
another.
I
don't
think
it's
okay
to
to
emulate
some
of
our
national
elected
officials
thanks.
C
Towards
that
point,
councilman
strasberger
doing
this
via
zoom
also
very
hard
to
sort
of
moderate
the
conversation,
because
at
any
point
in
time
one
of
us
could
just
start
start
talking,
while
at
least
four
of
us
were
out
of
order.
During
the
meeting
I
actually
went
into
the
participants
section
to
see
if
I
could
mute
members
as
a
way
to
get
it
under
control.
I
don't
have
that
ability,
I'm
not
listed
as
a
host.
C
I
will
talk
with
david
and
joy
and
and
to
staff
to
see
if
whoever
is
chairing
the
meeting
can
also
be
listed
as
a
host.
That
way,
we
can
actually
try
to
control
it
in
a
better
sense.
When
members
are
not
supposed
to
be
talking.