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Good afternoon and welcome to the simulation, or.

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Unmute yourself, sorry sorry,, as you might guess,, as you know, annually, council gets.

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To put a stamp on the budget, at the very end of the hearing process for the budget.

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Process,- and this is at the line- item vote.

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There also be other opportunities to amend the budget, both on wednesday, as well as had.

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Final vote on tuesday,, the first amendment, I, you'll, have two sheets: one has the numbers.

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Which I would rather not go into the other one more of us says what happens.

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To it. the budget and operating budget number one is the removal of the colonel's from the police.

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Budget will be two promotions.

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Two is the assistant chief, and three back to police officer. So there's no change to.

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The number of officers, stay at . motion to approve.

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Discussion being none., all those in favor say: aye. aye., you both. yes,, I'm pretty minimum one operating amendment. One is approved before moving to number two.

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The clark and for me that I forgot to do a roll call.

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So, wrapping barges, here, mr cargill, air.

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This is gross air quotes, here.

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Mr o'connor air. oh,, this is john burger.

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Mr wilson here.

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Council president kills me. here. here.. Mr bell. Nine members, president of random, in one motion to approve.

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Motion to approve those in favor say aye.

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I remember number one is approved, operating limit number two, operating them in number.

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Two's, restoration of grants and donations at $, per office.

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Motion to approve.

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Walking in you'll meet in the budget office years.

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Ago, we had council had money, put into parks and recreation, and city plan so that they.

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Could facilitate things for community groups like uniforms, things that you could support.

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Community based organizations for what this is., it's a fun that instead of giving money to community groups that city itself can provide.

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Them with items that they need football helmets, equipment.

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Everyone is defined.

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It's going to be from the general fund.

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All these have been talked to with administration.

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That's all the questions I have to work for the discussion, saying none.

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We already had made the poverty most of those in favor, say aye.

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Aye., those are pretty many number two is approved. Three printing them and number three is to.

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Add a form into the department of public works for painters, who has not had a foreman wishing.

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To improve. second.

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Second. and all those in favor say: aye. hi., the three is approved operating limit number for operating number four raises court staff.

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To rate and grades for five front office, staff.

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Motion to approve. second.

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Session, saying none., all those in favor say aye, I was approved operating limit number five.

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Operating number five: we call the clerk on the bus. Does a couple things that council.

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Had discussed, as the attorney also adds, three public engagement, specialists.

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It adds non salaries for the new employees, furniture metering, those kind of things so.

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They can carry out their duties, removes three office of equity, analyst coordinators and.

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Increases miscellaneous services from , or thousand dollars from $,.

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And the last part of that will balance the accounts, wishing to improve that can see,.

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You know, all those..

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Those in favor of this transfer decreases the operating budget.

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Mayor's office of equity. yes,, that's correct.,.

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We talked to administration about that. The current the next administration's, not even.

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Sure they're,, how they're going to reconfigure bringing,, bringing the they eliminated.

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The doodles budget eliminated the office of community affairs,, which used to do the outreach.

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To community based organizations,, we are taking that function back over that we used to have.

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As council,, maybe years ago.

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and so we're putting those positions back into budget, under the clerk's office and.

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Those are not taking a fun time before you're, not taking friends can from community affairs.

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Are taking the funds from the opposite of equity,, because the community fears.

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Office, two offices, under the mayor's budget that are eliminated.

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Yes. and,, but we can always put them back in if that's if they want the position.

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They're all faking positions right, now.

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Mr. bennett, how much does that total decrease to the mayor's budget, add up to,, including.

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If you have in front of you, the original elimination of community affairs,, which was.

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In last year's budget, and then then they didn't include, I said last year's.

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Didn't get rid of the money.

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Money moves positions., so I'm asking mr betting pay money for community affairs is still there.

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It's not still there.

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Yes., the money that was not spent for this year.

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Budgeted for , the mayor's proposed budget proposed eliminating those positions or moving.

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Them elsewhere.

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My question is from the mayor's budget of , compared to the mayor budget of with this.

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Amendment,, what is the difference in the size of the mayor's budget for ., two mayor's budget.

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Staffs equities. at total, to me,.

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Is the budget by ,? I can pick the beers budget of also included the office of community affairs.

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Which the mayor's proposed budget for does not.

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What is that additional fund, somebody telling me how much the .

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I don't have any affairs budget was or employees.

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We had hundred ,, I might be wrong.

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That's okay, so it's right around ,,, maybe more than ,, and this would be an additional.

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,, so there's about a $, decrease in. If we do, this would add up to the printer does know.

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Decrease of marriage, budget or . right.

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And then, also, I was not.

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I don't know if council across was consulted. It's just I'm just seeing this three public.

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Engagement specialist for the first time.

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So,, I was supportive of adding the county,, the city council solicitor, I'm concerned about.

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The window of the job listing that was short and didn't have a lot of applicants.

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And now we're adding again I'm just having to look and see what we're just adding three.

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Public engagement, specialist and I'm really clear about what they do.

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Frankly, they would take over the office,. I have talked.

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To some counsel about this and talk to present about this,, they would take over the role.

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Of the office of public of community affairs, so they would work directly with that idea.

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Was to have three of them that had three different levels, especially station.

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We not talk a little bit about one of that. One of them would be public relations, public.

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Relations media.

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You went, can constituent services,, and one of them would be helping local faith based.

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Organizations,, each of them with the end, all of them would be trained into the british.

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Democracy mediation, that sort of stuff.

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Now,, it's like an in house would have no sort of,, it's mostly with the communities,, mostly.

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With the community affairs office used to do,, which was outreached primarily, can be.

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Based in faith based organizations in the council districts and encourage.

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Them and help them and work with them.

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They would service all of counsel, councilwoman strasburg.

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Thank you., so I have spoken with reverend burgess about this.

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and while I am.

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Well,, I am not set on any certain number means three sounds great,, but you know,. We should.

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Have it as an ongoing conversation with the incoming administration,, depending on their.

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Restructuring of the their offices and their needs,, but I see at least one.

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Of these positions being incredibly helpful as we aim to hold increased and better facilitated.

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Meetings., so when we think back to the summertime aarp hearings, and we could have you, someone with.

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Some level of training at facilitation.

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Meeting facilitation mediation, whatever you want to call it.

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In those kinds of types of settings, and to extend that we want to do that more as a council.

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And not have to share that with a mayor's office of community affairs..

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I do think that at least one of these positions is really valuable to us.

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Again,, I'm happy to work with incoming administration on on the number of of these positions, but.

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Happy to vote for three today and then have it be an ongoing conversation.

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Any further discussion.

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Second round councilwoman goes.: here we go.

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I could, I willing to continue the conversation to see what roles they might play.

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For example,, while we lean on our current budget office for a lot of policy, research.

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And legislative work.: it's not really their official job titles, and it's an extra item for their plate. So.

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I would be kind of amenable to talking about how to basic policy level, research,. You know.

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We lean on our own staff for that as well, but it's a bit of a juggle them handling.

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Kind of the week to week, legislative items, and budget items and constituent items and.

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Community group of items and then also going to do kind of new policy work so yeah, I'm.

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Willing to support it today, but then, if we can continue to talk about what the.

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Actual job descriptions are that would be..

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I appreciate that.

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Thank you. any further discussion. seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

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Approved operating reading moment number six is for a study for the south side parks and.

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Playgrounds. motion to approve that can vary discussion.

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This study is to assist us with understanding ormsby as more of a campus than just a playground,.

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You have the carnegie library there,, you have what I affectionately call secondary swimming.

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Pool but its arms people,, we have the playground there. We have second street swimming pool, but its arms people,. We have the playground there. We have the ballpark,.

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And we have the tennis courts, and so they all live in these individual silos. And what.

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We'd like to do is recreate that as a total campus, where all the.

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Services are connected as one unit units that have separate yeah. So that's the reason for.

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This I appreciate your support.

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Thank you. thank you., any further discussion. seeing none, all those in favor say: aye.

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aye. movement, six is approved, operating and limit.

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number seven, operating amendment number seven.

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Is also is sponsored by all the members there.

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Smith, burgess lavelle and brought to you by coghill.

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This ads and additional logistics manager to the department of public, works, and also.

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As a policy analyst to to do, me.

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It also removes a vacant deputy director position from the department of public works.

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Most brief second.

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Okay, yeah, I'll give you a quick explanation.

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After last year and all the many snowstorms we went through.

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I meet with director hornstein on a regular basis. Every other week.

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I think he thinks I want to be in public works which, to a certain degree. I do,, but we felt,.

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I felt I needed a logistics manager in the way of,, for instance, through all that chaos,.

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I'm on the phone with my supervisor, who's up to his eyeballs and,. You.

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Know, things that are going on., but it's not just snow storms. It's vehicles across the board.

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What year are they.? How many do we have that are under repair need repair the entire fleet, among many,.

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Many other things so so I've worked with director hornstein. This is a revenue neutral position.

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Because we're just eliminating one from operator from the public works and.

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Just replacing with a tactical specialist, I hope, and you know I look forward to working.

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With, with that person, with the many many reasons.

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The other one is director lucas,, you know, for those of you who were at the budget hearing.

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Last week,, you heard me mentioned, and you heard her mention that she really needs a.

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Policy analyst., you know they have a lot of moving parts and domi, and that they only have one currently.

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So she stressed the importance of this.

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so I, we also,, I think, with the help of the dirt, the budget director here that we, we.

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Help find the funds to make that whole.

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and that's the reason. So if anybody have any questions on there.

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There's a see, there's all three of them: seven a,, b and c,.

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They're all connected right, yeah, that's just the remove the deputy.

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Just make sure it's a woman's prosper.

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yeah,, so I know I was trying to read this as you were talking. So apologies have been.

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Making, you repeat something, but I'm a little concerned about the removal of a deputy, director,.

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Unless the logistics manager is really going to take on the same sort of role,.

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Or is the logistics manager so specialized that it doesn't encompass all of the responsibilities.

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Of a deputy director, I do feel that every director needs a deputy to sort of run. The.

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Day to day, you know. no,, I agree % and you know, talking with director hornstein, you know,, we kind of just,. You.

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Know, put these in two different boxes.

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however,. It doesn't mean that that person can be utilized, it doesn't have to be old.

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Tactical, you know,, but I really felt, and the director really felt that we.

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Needed that technical person to just keep track of the fleet, keep track of everything.

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We're doing and public works where I don't have to fall, call a supervisor,. You know,.

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During a snowstorm- but I don't know if director song here or not,, he could probably.

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Answer to it, but- and I can just a wedding.

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So just to clarify, councilwoman, there still are assistant directors.

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Other covering the different divisions, as well too, so it's not like you're eliminating.

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Take with administration, deputy.

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And I think this position has been filled for over a year, at this point,. Okay, happy.

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Okay. favor say aye.

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aye. any of those seven a, b and c is approved for operating women number eight, operating.

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And number eight is feminine hygiene products to be provided at our city, facilities.

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This is sponsored by viewership numbers as well as mr o'connor,, which is your brief discussion.

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Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

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Aye. approved operating amendment number nine operating amendment number nine,, as in a program analyst.

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Into dummy., this is to help take care of the largest residential permit parking program,, which I can bring.

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Discussion discussion, councilman wilson, is.

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I want to thank all members for our last wednesday.

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Moving up to the finish, line.

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Tomorrow, and with that this in preparation, to, to, to prepare for that which is dummy.

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Will be taken on responsibility of doing no parking studies and other details in that,.

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In that. that bill, originally was with you know, with the parking authority.

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And just for clarity, the way we're going to fund this is the parking tickets,. So it would.

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Have been. we had to pay for it anyway, because every year since rp doesn't pay for itself.

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We negotiate. our,, I'm sorry, the program to renegotiate with the finance department over the ticket.

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Price., you know amount that we receive., so that's an extra one support discussion.

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Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

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Aye. I'll bring them in that number. Nine is approved, upper operating amendment number ., yes, sir.

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If we can take both and together.

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Yes., the first one, as a record analysts,- and this is with cost shared by wdpwnpl hi, which of.

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All requested this position.

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and number simply does some of the minor adjustments.

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Motion to approve operating, operating, amendment, and session,, saying none.

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All those in favor say, aye. and or improved operating them and number.

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Operating in them and number comes from the city controller,, who had some minor pay grade.

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Adjustments within his staff had me mentioned that this is cost neutral. Revenue goes into.

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Discussion. see none. all those in favor say aye.

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Opposed. of bringing them a number is approved, operating.

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Number amendment number upgrading them and number , or the amendments coming over from.

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The administration.

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These are separated out into several different categories..

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The first one is simply a type of correction that reads number of full time: positions.

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As you continue on here., there are some positions that were awarded mid year is some different pay increases in.

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Such outside the budget realm., these are being taken care of in this amendment here, as a.

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Same with be., you go to see.

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Yeah,, yes yeah, he came so when you're on your overview, sheet,. Once you get to be, you're.

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Actually, on operating amendment number ,, plus you get further on see you're actually on.

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Number . thank you. technical., we're actually going through and ,, which were the administrative.

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There's also position swap and hr, or retitled position and human resources.

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Also because of contract changes, the pj cbc health rates are updated. Health care costs.

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Are updated after budget was submitted, decrease the vacancy allowance and the pw environmental.

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Services from six to %. there's also the creation of the office of.

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Immigrant and community affairs.-.

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There's also an update to the community development block, grant trust fund positions,. It's a net.

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Decrease. there was some math errors in the parks. Trust fund,. Miss sun increases our timers. That is.

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Adjusted here as well, too.

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there's an addition of a new dummy grant funded position as well.

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Within this on the non salary portion of these, you see the police, lexical policy and best.

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Practices software is is being added for next year.

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Updating non salaries for legislation introduced after the budget was introduced.

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And there's also an employee moved,. They forgot to move there when they move the employee.

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They forgot to move the tuition, reimbursement,, that's being adjusted with this amendment.

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As well too. and there's a new tuition reimbursement, and we'll see a chess.

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There's also the removal of vehicle for reimbursement from the housing authority.

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One is a time to so members can follow them. Together.

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Let's just do zz, we can just do that. Motion or teams technical solution to approve operation.

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And then, with our discussion.

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See none. all those in favor, say: aye. aye. opposed, is approved. Motion to a min operate a minute would kind of separately so that.

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If you're looking on the overview is bs were to saw sorry.

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Second, in discussion., councilman gross.

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Oi. during our budget, discussions, for,, you know,. We had some conversation at the table about.

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The relative merits of having office immigrant and community affairs, see that that is budgeted.

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Here, and the co sponsors of this amendment, our consultants are just a little bill, so.

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That it comes up something like increase and decrease, I'm trying to figure it out. Here,.

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My understanding, understanding is,, it will come watch tomorrow. I will support it.

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To create the new offices,, it is in the budget arm, it doesn't.

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They're already there, but there'll be moved from the office of equity into their own department.

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So if eliminated, office of equity entirely we're restructuring the mayor's office.

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The office of equity has like seven like positions. The mayor, himself.

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Once those two positions moved into its own department elect outgoing mayor, that was on.

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Our table. remember that was on our table last week.

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That will come in tomorrow, right, that, that, that will come tomorrow.

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And I promised I would support it.

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and so, that comes to us tomorrow.

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But it's budgeted here has to be in both places at about , a year.

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Putting benefits for the two positions, ,. okay.

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And it's housed are currently in the office of equity trading.

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A new office or department or bureau.

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It's not a department.

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That's the wishes us what the legislation coming over, is to actually create department,.

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See apartment., it's an initiative now,. I thought the discussion with my misremembering was the budget discussion.

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To make it into an office or to make it into a department, off.

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If you had two weeks, ago, open office but functionally it operates the same as a department.

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Will have a separate account. Number role will hit an item rather than coming from an equity.

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Look at this now on an office, but it will function, or in the.

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Budget world as a separate department,, and you give me another example of such something.

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We have like that now.

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Well, the office of equity., why am I,? Maybe it's a small health and beauty, health and community health and beauty, health.

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And safety know if it's budgetary, like a department.

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But it's not organizational chart,. What is the chain of oversight, your books.

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It is under the mayor's office.

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Everything's our mayor's office, so it's public works.

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No, don't split hairs, here.

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Typically from a managerial aspect that it would have its own director, so it would be.

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Making its own decisions and dependent.

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We have, along with the mayor strip,, so we do appointment is it's..

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That's why I asked right is this: is this a director, and if it's a director, why are we.

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Calling him an office and it's just a little piece right, and so is it a mayoral appointment,.

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It's the director with council oversight and something,.

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believe, leave us a current employee that is in the office of.

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Equity, that does this word,, that will then move over into the new office stands alone,.

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But then what they would do they would have to send that person over as a nominee and.

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Motions of resolutions or whatever new, new presidential agenda, if.

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It's this is we're creating a new department with a new department, director.

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Now we would hold for interview.

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Now we would interview.

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Secret offices with that aren't part of the org chart, or are they part of the org chart.

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Where are they. right. right. so agree on that. alright,, so for now, thank you for tomorrow.. Thank you. I'll. Look at the text. File, didn't catch that before.

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Thank you.. I didn't catch that before..

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Thank you for the discussion on operating movement. Number . thank you.

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See none. all those in favor say: aye. aye., hi,, post operating number, women number is approved,. We have a motion for operating limit.

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Number . so moved. again,, the discussion.

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none., all those in favor say aye. aye. opposed. number is approved, that moves us to our capital. Limits.

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So we have capital limit, number one, capital investment number one new district $ bills.

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Paid for with prior mon oakland ons that will be routed.

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Through prior years,, st resurfacing., most of roof, second session.

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Seen miss seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

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Aye. operating capital, memon number one is approved,.

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Capital amendment number two.

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Capital limit number two, as the lawn street promenade few hundred thousand dollars from.

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Paving also sponsored by constable cross, along with leadership.

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Motion to approve. second., very brief discussion.. This is the park that a long, long, long street in you know cliff neighborhood. That has been.

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Up for discussion for probably several decades- and I know kazmir bells painfully aware of.

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It as well too, but we would really like to proceed with a study as to how we can deliver park space for your support.

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Any further discussion. seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

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Most every woman number two is approved,. Mr chair,, there was an operating amendment number.

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On our memo sheets,, but it's tucked in the middle of the capital budget item,, would you.

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Mind going back to it so that we're just going to clean and it's not.

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In the middle of budget,, see this kind of lost, it wasn't in our papers in order was.

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Another word yes,: I apologize console mad at origin.

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Man at origin. reading amendment number ipod, ads free seasonal workers for you around food distribution, nazi.

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Era was true, proof, second session.

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Seeing none, all those in favor say: aye. aye,, you oppose a break from it.

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Number is approved that regulations.

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Regulations, councilman gross. I think that is inconsistent with what you've been saying.

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And I think it's going to help all of our districts.

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and I know, gradually, leadership, capital movement number three now epidural limit.

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Capital limit. number three is you: are a small business development, moving deliverables within the project, wishing.

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To improve discussion.

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See none. all those in favor say: aye., aye., upgrading them in capital. Member excuse me number three is approved, can't remember number.

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For capital lemon number for each ura, equitable empowerment.

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Moving funds from traffic calming wishing to improve second session.

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Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

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Aye. aye. opposed, operating capital member number: four is approved, capital. Member number, five.

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Employer ownership task force moving somebody from paving.

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Also, this one is also sponsored by councilwoman strasburg ocean to roof lesson.

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All those in favor say aye.

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aye., both capital, a member number. Five is approved capital limit number six.

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Number amendment number six is from the administration is providing funds for the poor to street.

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Landslide from taking.

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motion to approve.

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Second. discussion see none. all those in favor say: aye. aye. number six is approved capital capital, amendment number, seven to seven.

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Let's be withdrawn.

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Yes, we weren't able to take it up before it was withdrawn,. I apologize.

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Thank you,, councilman gross.

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Number eight.

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Street sweeper. yeah, okay, capital moment number eight is bike: lane mini street sweeper.

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There is also a capital moment for an ambulance and renounce.

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And those will be within.

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love that that's done by taking away the silver paint from the both the ambulances and the.

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Refuse packer. it's $, to brief. second.

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Discussion comes from coco. yes,. I just want to thank councilman o'connor. He and I both for working with chief armando.

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I'm sorry, on the bikes are in the pipeline street sweeper, okay well,, since we're on that.

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I didn't realize so it's a smaller street, suite any chinese.

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Yeah, right. yeah.

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We have to buy it. okay, great.

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I'm gonna be further: discussion, councilman wilson says, takes money from making vehicles.

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Silver, and someone explain what that means.

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The vehicle repainting stop painting vehicles,, not gonna paint them.

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I believe how many are painted of these would be the ones that were requested not to be.

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Painted savings is here: it's dollars, piece for five. Cmg refuse packers not been just.

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Being ordered now that most of the departments that if they were ordering.

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Brand new vehicles objected to them, being repainted, because they're brand new member.

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The letter about the fire, trucks and trucks and why spend the money to paint them just.

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Where I suggested actually we get the funds, but I'm not sure if this, I.

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Guess I don't understand why we got, like,, I was in the budgeting, were asked the director.

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Directly like if he had the equipment to do work, and he said yeah, so I was like, looking.

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Forward to the next year to see how we can crack down on it. So I guess I didn't.

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Know. we would,, but this would not paint three vehicles.

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Actually refuse packers and two ambulances.

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I have questions to mr. constable about this. I asked him a question directly. I'm like willing.

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To hold him accountable for doing the work, but he said he had the,. He said he had equipment.

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When I was when I asked our budget office was about the red fire trucks that the fire.

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Fighters were hoping to keep fred. yes,, I think, was a lot of public image,. This is,. This is just an opinion right, subjective.

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Opinion., I personally don't like the silver fleet. I think it's ugly,, but that's me..

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But I also had enough to do. We had a direct appeal from the fire department to not waste.

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Taxpayer funds on brand new vehicles.

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Don't need a paint job., and so I thought that that was probably a place that would actually see any objections.

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And what we see in front of us now but that's,, you know,, probably due to last minute, trying.

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To look for where, where where the funds were unspent, I guess I don't know if the visa, the.

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Firefighter week, close we're already reallocated, perhaps or something.

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Like that are used up somewhere else in the budget.

D

so,, a lot of the feedback I got was that a lot of the departments were keen on spending.

D

Money to paint,, because it didn't need to be painted for anybody.

D

You know,, I mean, then,, so the question the equipment like do. We need to hire another.

J

Worker to run the piece of equipment,, I guess I the if the doctor said that he has this.

J

Stuff to do it., I'm willing to hold them accountable. this next year.. I guess I just,, I don't know who had the conversation we needed another sweeper if we have it.

D

Oh,, you think that it's a capital budget item, so it can be reallocated any with the beer.

J

Only rent this anyway., like we stopped., we stopped buying., even if we were leasing for we release street sweepers different specialties.

B

And the optional lease,, because at this breaks down and it becomes like a headache- people's.

J

Then say,: well, you at,, you know, same thing with the streets, weekend, and it's,. We're.

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Talking about $, piece of equipment versus something expensive.

J

B

We're looking at a piece of equipment, that's $,! It's a specialized piece of equipment. I.

B

Believe it's smaller, I think it's hand pushed as well.

B

That was my question. here's some sidewalks on bridges that have not been getting treated. I don't know if the.

D

Rest of you have bridges to both either back then or like city on sidewalk that get extraordinarily.

D

Ic., you know my own district, I'm thinking about the self melville bridge. That kind of goes.

D

And connects like center and bomb avenue over to the heart of bloomfield,. There's a lot.

D

Other your,, I know I don't know, what's your davis avenue, bridge construction.

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Date is there, there are the smaller lanes or sidewalks, that I have here about them.

D

Especially around foot bridges that have been cleared and it'd be,, you know,. This is new,.

D

And we would be looking to see if we can treat these sidewalks are both snow.

D

Removal and ice treatment.

D

I think it's worth a try. so,. Oh I attempt nelson wilson. Are you done.

A

Yeah, I'm done. okay, council, president smith, fallback comes from burgess and custom calc you.

C

Thank you., this kind of reminds me of watching the councilwoman darlin harris and choose a school board. Member,.

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And jean think, coming up with the highest housewives special budget.

C

We feel like there was some meetings with some members that came up with some ideas.

C

That they thought were great, but then time through all the way.

C

And I'm just I'm going to abstain from this today, because I think that we don't have any.

C

Clarity on how this is going to be operated, how one sweeper.

C

Is going to take care of the entire city of pittsburgh., and when you talk about adding sidewalks., we talked about adding sidewalks and adding the bridges,. I just don't see how that's going.

C

To how that's going to work,, especially considering some of our sidewalks, are some of the most.

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Deplorable conditions,, more than,, more than privately outside walks,.

C

So I don't even know if we could be if it could be used in places where we need it.

C

I think we should have some conversation with dpw before putting these kinds of things. In,.

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So that we all could know how they work,, how they operate, who's operating and.

C

Have somebody to use the sweeper., and what does this mean about our fleet. now,? What is the cost to make our fleet all one uniform, color again,, because we're not.

C

Going to do silver. now we have part of our fleet as silver and part of our fleet. Not so we'd. Look like a.

C

Hodgepodge mess. sort of like this budget is starting to look..

C

So with that said, I'm abstaining, today.

A

I'm just not clear I'm so I'm here to help me with the amendment,. I don't understand.

E

It. exactly., it says from the ,.. The difference is the th, is that it's just.

E

A

Taking , and not to not paint by cng, refuse packers, and then she would take from to me.

D

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I believe that we're reading that chris.

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So I put a bad piece of paper in front of you. I'm sorry, that's just a $, for many sweeper.

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I got is, it says, is: is . so, before we and we could, you know,.

D

Members could vote how they will, but we could.

E

So isn't to tell you that.

E

Is it possible isn't really remember,? Oh I gross understanding,. I want to be in faith.

E

I want to, I want to support buying the sweeper.

E

I can I suggest that perhaps, perhaps we may take it from a different place than that from.

E

The places we're taking it from., I'm not against buying the sweeper fantastic,. I would just if perhaps we could do this on.

E

Wednesday will give us some time to reallocate we not voted. Now we can reallocate where we're.

E

Taking the money from will find the money.

E

we want, but they will now be supportive of buying sweet.

D

Thank you, deveney, extraordinary reaction to the silver paint and the typo. That's in.

D

Front of members,, which I apologize, I would draw the motion worker for wednesday,- was.

D

My most into group was a member of the draw, and we'll work with.

E

You will figure out how to buy it. Almost here.

A

When I was counseling girls, when I was looking for resources, there's some old projects, downtown,.

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Which, I believe have some dollars left over in.

D

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appreciate that counts for him.

A

Okay, so most of them withdrawn.

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That takes us to our last one calc capital, amendment number, nine prompt them at number.

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Nine is for the purchase of an additional ambulance. The money will come through from.

B

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to convert it to paygo funds.

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Motion to approve.

K

Again, second discussion.

K

Thank you., sorry. yeah,. I want to thank councilman cog wheel. I know we both were working on this.

K

And I know I spoke to some members that, you know, might not be sure about moving this.

K

Money right now into from paving.

K

Just as chair of public safety,, you know the this is the number one request that I got.

K

From either depart for many of our departments- and ms at this point has not gotten a new.

K

Ambulance. and I believe the last two budgets., so this is a way to keep moving forward.

K

I'm open to discussions,. If council wants to look at other areas of getting this funding,.

K

For them., so I'll just leave the floor open to that. But I know that this is something that we.

K

Need to put on radar, because the ms is going to be a couple years behind getting new ambulances.

K

If we don't do something relatively soon so open to discussion, obviously.

K

Supportive., but if there are other means that we want to discuss in the next couple weeks and obviously.

K

New administration coming in,, we can reopen the budget as well.

K

So I'm open to a discussion with counsel, but I'm obviously supportive.

K

A

Thank you,, councilman o'connor comes from concord and comes from burgess.

I

Yep. thank you., councilman o'connor,. I want to thank you for following through with this. You know he and.

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I had separate conversations with chief from on a number of occasions.

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There's, if there's one department, we can't afford to, you know,, have poor, managed or.

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Poorly shaped vehicles is ms. you know,, we've got to have first class vehicles that aren't.

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Going to break down, we got to keep them, low on the mileage, and they're just.

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Asking for one., so I want to thank you, councilman o'connor for following through with that,. That was.

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Important I felt, and we'll discuss, you know, how we got a pain for that, whether we open.

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The budget again for it. we'll talk about that. I guess but.. One other thing I wanted to touch base on. I didn't get a chance to was your street,.

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Your bike sweeper., it removes no did you say.

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Also, I understood.

D

I

Ok, and that's,- that's interesting., just to purpose then., but I was afraid that people were going to catch that number. So we strike that out. It's.

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$,, not $,. right., so that was the most important thing I felt on that into the painting of the vehicles,.

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You know,, for me, a fire truck is right.

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okay,. You know, I mean we,, you know,. Certain things are just shouldn't be messed with fire.

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Trucks are always historically red., but I agree with councilman kale smith as far as consistency.

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I don't want to have a great track of red truck and a blue truck.

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So, so, as far as the painting goes, I've heard back from the, from the or from the local.

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One that they don't want their fire trucks painted silver..

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Now, when we're talking police cars., there are reasons that they don't want: police cars,, looking like police cars, most police.

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Forces anymore., I'm not a place, have been ambushed. You know people away from the complacency or more in.

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Conspicuous,, so I'm for making the police cars, I think most of the new ones are gray.

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Or silver, whatever we want to call them.

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the ones that aren't on for painting them. If they're in good enough condition to paint,.

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But keep the fire trucks read and everything else can be silver for me.

E

Thanks. burgess questions,, I'm bill,, you sit on the you sit on the committee that buys vehicles.

E

Yes, it was., I'm assuming there had been some discussion among that normally.

E

There is a budget that comes over a,, there's a purchase, plan.

E

That's correct. and so, there's a reason why a new habits wasn't selected by the committee? Can you kind.

B

Of tell me, they're, thinking,, well, basically, the, all the departments. I believe that he.

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Has is closest to being within the proper life cycle, or other departments may be short,.

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Such as fires, in constant need of of a new pump urs to be able to keep them at that level,.

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Of course, we know our police vehicles last, maybe two to three years,, so.

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It's close to impossible to keep them up, as well as, as well as many of our.

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Other vehicles and dpw, and of course we were looking at trying to electrify the refuse.

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Department as well in the future.

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so,, the emf vehicles were not a top priority for .

B

So was it requested? Was, was a new ambulance requested to the committee.

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The equipment, leasing, authority. yes.- I only get what the analysis is from our,. Our staff and the staff did not recommend.

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Another ambulance.

E

So, the staff and not recommend., I just wanna, make very clear: the staff did not recommend a new ambulance,. The administration.

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Did not ask for new ambulance., but this is coming from individuals within in the public safety.

E

So,, I am.. I think this is the wrong,, I'm not, I'm,, whether we need an ambulance or not.

E

I think this is the wrong process to do. That.

E

I think that we have staff in place. We have a comedian place, we have a way in which it.

E

Should come to us.? This is not the way we should make a decision of purchasing equipment when we have a committee.

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That does that for the whole city.

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we as council,, we can.- I don't know if we want to put this in front of the line versus other things,, whether it's.

E

A public work truck,, whether it's a.

E

I don't know, other vehicles because they're all bought,, I think, there's a.

E

My understanding is, there is a spreadsheet, when I remember having that conversation, there's.

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A spreadsheet with all the vehicles, kind of land, up, and they're living their life.

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And what comes first and what comes second.

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and what priority. so I'd, rather not do this now, but to talk about it, knowing that we will, there's a high.

E

Likelihood that the budgets can be reopened in the next few weeks.

E

Anyway, with the new administration and to work with the administration about that need.

E

And have it come back to us at that time.?

E

That's my preference, so I won't say much after that.

E

A

Any further discussion. second round customer cocktail.

I

I just wanted something to counseling place.

A

Okay. yeah,, you can go to manage.

I

Ok. okay., I just wanted to make sure councilman o'connor,. You know he had stressed.

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I'm fine with waiting,. I just want to make sure you know whether it comes from the leasing.

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Authority, whether it comes from the mayor's office.

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for me,, I took it right from the chief, you know, and I feel, like the chief knows, best.

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So,, whether we do it now, whether we do it in three weeks or so,, that's besides the point.

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To me, as long as we give them,, you know, a new ambulance, because, again,.

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It's one place: we don't want to fall. Short.

I

Thank you, council president smith.

C

Thank you.. I actually think this is unbelievable. This conversation, we just voted for a street sweeper.

C

That wasn't in, but we're not going to vote for an ambulance.

C

So, I mean, that was, it was aboveboard to us by the equipment, leasing committee. So I'm.

C

Just, I'm, I'm baffled by why ones: okay and one's not,, but I'll just say that I think.

C

We should just approve everything as reverend burgess mentioned, the new mayor.

C

Will probably open the budget again reopen the budget when he gets here, and then we.

C

Can work with him on some of his priorities and some of the things he wants and doesn't.

C

Want. but I,, but I do want people to understand that that.

C

Well, first of all,, I agree that these.

C

I don't like the tracks painted either,, but that's why I voted against the marketing that.

C

When it came before us,, I voted against painting it.

C

we've all voted for this,. We all had a chance to vote yes or no.

C

And some of us voted to have it painted..

C

Some of us voted not to.. I may have been the one or two votes against it.

C

but,. So now that's here,, I'm thinking now we have half our fleet painted and half our.

C

Fleet not, and it looks terrible., and I just think we should have thought this through.

C

when we were putting the vote. Before.

C

initially,, that's on that on the street sweeper and this money and all that stuff,, but separately,.

C

I do think that the administration is going to read. The new incoming administration is.

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Going to reopen the budget. we're going to work with them, and I want members to know that we have been working with them.

C

We have told them if there's anything in the budget, that they don't want to. Please let.

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Us know, there's anything that we could work with them on to add into.

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The budget,, please let us know.

C

and that we're going to work with them when they get into office..

C

Now whether we agree on every single thing.

C

well,, I haven't agreed on any administration on every single thing,, but we are willing.

C

To work with the, the administration, I want people to know that.

C

That we are willing to do that and are trying to,, including for this ambulance.

C

So, others, however, council members, one of those., but I do think that we need, if we're going to talk one way, we need to be consistent in.

C

Our, in our comments.

A

Thank you, madam president,. Just for clarity, we did not vote on the street sweeper.

C

Well, we did not fit on the streets with of this time, but we were going,. It was in the.

C

Budget, but we voted on the painting of the equipment.

C

yes, that is correct.

A

Yeah, and the marketing plan,, it was a marketing plan.

C

I'm sorry five second round.

K

Sorry. second round kuzmin cog, o'connor, excuse me now. Thank you, and, again,. I think councilman.

K

Cocktail said, better than I could have the chief wants. It, that's fine.

K

However, talking or listening to rev,, if there's a way and bill just take me through the process.

K

Quickly and I know we're opening the budget back up in january, with a new administrator.

K

I assume we're going to open the budget up.

K

If we hold this bill now, or we approve it,, take it to wednesday.

K

Can we move it out, or vice versa.

K

If we find another way to do this by next week or talk to the administration and get.

K

Everybody on board for that. What what's our timing, I guess to make this amendment or make.

K

It today and then withdraw it before final vote, and then open it up again in.

K

January can., what you do today will amend the budgets, perspective, respectively, capital and an operating,. You.

B

Can remove that amendment again on wednesday,, if you would like that specific line, item.

B

So you have another opportunity to amend it, one way or the other on wednesday as well.

B

As on the final vote on tuesday, for this particular budget.

K

That's what I thought.

K

But I guess the solution right now. What I'm hearing is withdraw for now.

K

And then we still have a week and a half to put it back in. If council would agree to those.

K

Conversations and we can talk further, the ms.

K

Just saying that it sounds like numbers want to do a different process for this,, but I'll.

K

Leave it open to a discussion if, if either one is fine with me at this point.

K

I think you actually accurately captured at kevin o'connor.

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Motion withdraw., yes, motion, to, I'll just withdraw the motion and will continue to have this conversation,.

E

Whether we do it now or whether we do it and next.

E

In the next budget, which.

E

net. in the next month., when the budgets for you, it's going to probably be reopened.

E

We think next year,, more than likely,, said emotion, has been withdrawn with that that.

A

Does exhaust, our movements for operating capital budget for today.

A

Need to make note that this line item vote in our budget hearing process for this year,.

A

We will have our first budget vote this coming wednesday, followed by a final vote on tuesday.

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And with that, we need a motion to adjourn..

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Then we want to say one thing before you: sir.

E

I want to thank your leadership and overseeing this budgetary process thank bill van and.

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Mike for their support.

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thank council president smith for her leadership,, I'm thankful to be able to be a small part.

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I think all members are all of your participation in this current process. We we have non members.

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For all of us that come to one accord on stuff is some is more difficult than people think., and this has been having been here for a while,. This has been one of the smoothest and less.

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Controversial processes we've ever had.

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So for everyone.

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Congratulations.

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