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A
Thank
you,
madam
clerk,
and,
as
we
are
still
joined,
as
we
are
still
meeting
in
a
hybrid
format,
we
have
some
people
joining
virtually
and
we
have
some
guests
joining
in
person.
So
please
bear
with
us
as
we
get
through
this
for
the
record.
We
are
here
joined
today
by
a
few
guests
and
the
order
first
order
of
business
will
be
an
introduction
by
martina,
battistone
and
andrew
dash
from
the
city,
pittsburgh
city
planning
department
and
following
that
we
will
have
testimony
from
our
registered
speakers.
C
Thank
you
councilperson,
so
the
the
item,
the
hearing
that
we're
here
for
today
is
relative
to
an
update
to
title
13
of
the
city's
code,
which
is
the
stormwater
management
code.
This
is
a
follow-up
to
work
that
we
had
done
back
in
2019.
C
Where
we
had
made,
we
had
created
title
13
and
moved
all
stormwater
regulations
into
one
title
of
the
city's
code.
You
know
over
the
past
year
and
a
half
we
have
been
working
with
the
pittsburgh
water
and
sewer
authority,
pwsa
and
others
to
you
know
to
update
that
code.
That
code
is
primarily
around
new
development
and
regulations
that
new
development
will
have
to
undertake
as
a
part
of
their.
C
You
know
their
applications
to
to
build
within
the
city
and
so
for
the
details
on
the
process
and
the
details
of
the
code
that
will
be
presented
to
you
I'll
turn
it
over
to
our
principal
environmental
planner
and
the
department
marty
battiston.
D
Instructor
dash,
I
will
do
a
quick
overview
repeat
a
little
bit
about
what
director
dash
said
and
go
over
the
changes
being
proposed
by
this
code.
Update.
D
D
If
you
see
the
acronym
scoru,
that
is
referring
to
this
project,
stormwater
code
and
ordnance
review
and
update
so
a
little
a
little
wordy
and
like
director
dash
said,
this
follows
the
update
that
we
were
mandated
by
to
be
compliant
with
act
167
in
2019
when
we
created
title
13
for
all
storm
water
management
regulations.
D
Within
the
city
and
across
various
agencies
a
little
timeline
of
our
project,
we
began
in
february
of
2020,
so
we've
been
doing
this
for
a
while
and
you
know.
Fortunately,
a
lot
of
the
work
is
pretty
technical,
and
so
they
were
able
to
continue
doing
that
over
the
course
of
covid,
and
we
were
able
to
adjust
a
lot
of
our
engagement.
D
Again,
just
an
overview
of
the
work,
that's
happened
to
date.
The
akr
consultants
did
an
incredibly
deep
analysis
of
all
code
that
touches
on
stormwater
in
pretty
much
any
way
same
with
all
of
the
regulatory
requirements
that
the
city
has,
including
our
joint
ms4
permit.
D
They
really
looked
at
current
processes
and
you
know
how
they
could
be
improved
as
people
navigate
the
the
zoning
development
review
process
as
well,
as
you
know,
permits
inspection
enforcement.
Things
like
that
there
was
a
lot
of
work
between
various
agencies
and
you
know
really
trying
to
pull
all
that
together
to
have
some
policy
recommendations
to
improve
both.
You
know
the
process
and
as
well
as
the
requirements.
D
So
there
were
at
least
five
formal
meetings
and
a
lot
of
touch
bases
with
the
various
agencies
in
between.
We
also
had
a
stakeholder
group
which
consisted
of
engineers,
developers,
architects,
various
community
organizations,
watershed
groups
and
some
of
the
larger
landowning
institutions
such
as
colleges
and
hospitals.
D
D
Stormwater
management
is
required
for
developments
that
disturb
10
000
square
feet
of
land
or,
if
they're
under
that,
but
they're,
creating
5
000
square
feet
of
impervious
area.
Those
are
the
times
when
stormwater
management
planned
submission
is
required.
D
Additionally,
in
uptown
and
riv,
that
threshold
is
5000
square
feet
of
disturbance
and
that's
current
and
is
being
proposed
to
remain
the
same.
Another
sort
of
big
piece
of
the
code
update
is
the
use
of
a
climate
change
projection
model
for
sizing
of
the
stormwater
best
management
practices.
D
This
is
not
completely
comprehensive,
but
largely
largely
comprehensive
list
of
the
kind
of
substantial
improvements
in
title
13
that
are
being
proposed
and
so
I'll
touch
on
a
few
of
these.
E
D
Would
we
feel
better
account
in
addressing,
like,
I
said,
those
more
frequent
and
intense
rainfall
events
that
we
know
lead
to
flooding
and
basement
backups,
and
so
this
is
a
model
from
carnegie
mellon,
that's
specific
to
pittsburgh,
and
that
accounts,
for
you
know
really
kind
of
everything
that
we're
seeing
locally.
D
And
then
these
public
health
and
safety
release
rates
are
specific
areas
throughout
the
city
that
you
know.
We
looked
at
the
sewer
system,
capacity,
flooding,
complaints,
yeah,
just
additional
hydraulic
modeling
and
identified
the
areas
of
the
city
that
are
most
prone
to
flooding
and
basement
backups,
which
is
approximately
25
of
the
city,
and
those
areas
would
have
higher
release
rate
requirements,
meaning
that
projects
that
are
hitting
the
threshold
in
those
areas
would
have
to
actually
reduce
the
peak
rate
of
runoff.
D
Instead
of
just
show
that
they're
not
increasing
it
and
then
on
the
sort
of
administrative
side.
We
are
looking
at
a
two-step
process
for
stormwater
management
plan
approvals,
and
that
is
in
an
effort
to
try
and
you
know,
create
a
little
bit
more
of
a
streamlined
process
for
when
stormwater
management
approval
is
happening.
For
example,
we're
proposing
a
conceptual
conceptual
plan
approval
that
projects
would
have
to
have
before
going
to
planning.
D
Commission,
there's
also
going
to
be
a
host
of
preferred
practices,
so
different,
stormwater
facilities
that
we
know
have
the
highest
benefit,
both
in
terms
of
stormwater
management,
but
also,
you
know
providing
other
amenities,
and
so
we
would
provide
an
expedited
review
for
projects
that
are
utilizing.
Those
practices
there's
also
going
to
be
more
flexibility
for
developers
to
do
some
volume
trading
on
properties
that
they
own.
So
if
a
site
is
really
constrained,
they'll
have
an
option
to
you
know
to
manage
that
stormwater
in
a
slightly
different
area.
D
Additionally,
where
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
guidance
on
paying
an
in-lieu
fee
to
the
stormwater
management
trust
fund
for
those
projects
that
can
demonstrate
that,
due
to
you
know
certain
site
characteristics
such
as
contaminated
soils,
that
they're
unable
to
meet
their
stormwater
management
requirements
on
site
and,
like
I
said,
pli,
will
begin
an
inspection
and
enforcement
program
for
stormwater
facilities
and
that's
going
to
be
one
of
the
the
bigger
changes
and
so
for
the
stormwater
design
manual,
which
is
this
sort
of
supplemental
resource
for
the
projects
that
are
working
through
the
stormwater
management
plan.
D
This
is
just
an
outline
of
what
it's
going
to
include
in
a
sample
graphic
from
a
similar
document
in
philadelphia,
which,
basically,
you
know
shows
if
someone
is
confused
about
what
their
requirements
are,
it's
going
to
show
them.
You
know,
based
on
the
watershed
of
the
property,
the
size
of
the
project
and
a
lot
of
you
know
other
other
factors.
D
It
will
lay
out
their
requirements
very
clearly,
which
we
know
was
something
that
in
our
stakeholder
group,
we
heard
that
you
know.
Clarity
and
predictability
were
something
that
they
really
wanted
to
see,
and
so
just
also
thinking
you
know,
in
terms
of
feedback,
just
kind
of
wanted
to
provide
a
few
points
of
clarifications
from
some
of
the
public
comments
and
questions
that
we've
gotten.
So
this
code
update
is
not
connected
to
the
pwsa
stormwater
fee.
D
D
D
D
Again
we're
looking
at
an
effective
date
of
march
2022
to
have
these
kick
into
gear.
You
know
first
step
is
city
council
approval
and
then
once
we
have
that
we
can
finalize
the
design
manual
and
do
outreach
and
education
with
the
engineering
and
development
community.
D
C
And
I
think
overall,
I
just
want
to
note
that
you
know
we
think
that
this
will
clarify
the
procedures
and
simplify
the
process
for
developers
while
at
the
same
time
creating
more
stringent
regulations
around
stormwater
management
and
how
developments
manage
stormwater
to
be
able
to
better
protect
surrounding
residents
in
those
watersheds
and
sewer
sheds.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
let
the
record
reflect
that
we
have
been
joined
by
councilwoman,
deborah
gross
and
councilman
bobby
wilson.
So
I'm
sure
we
will
get
into
questions
from
council
members
later,
but
we
were.
We
will
now
move
on
to
testimony
from
the
registered
speakers
and
when
you
speak,
please
give
your
name
and
address
for
the
public
record
and
each
speaker
will
have
three
minutes
to
address
counsel.
A
F
Thank
you
to
city
planning
and
the
pittsburgh
water
and
sewer
authority
for
the
work
to
date
on
updating
the
stormwater
code.
It
deserves
to
become
law,
with
a
few
more
assurances
for
community
participation
and
public
education
when
it
comes
to
water.
We
pittsburghers
live
in
a
world
of
plenty,
but
with
that
comes
a
need
to
steward
it
well
or
it
will
end
up
where
we
don't
want
it.
F
We
get
too
many
intense
storms
and
too
much
rain
for
private
property
building
code
tweaks
to
suffice,
larger
institutions
and
parking
lots
and
warehouses
need
to
do
more,
and
this
update
begins
to
define
some
of
the
realistic
objectives
and
incentives
for
them
to
do
so.
Secondly,
the
use
of
future
rainfall
projections
based
on
climate
trends
is
important
and
an
excellent
addition
and
other
regions
will
certainly
follow
pittsburgh's
lead
on
this.
F
One
item
that
is
missing
is
a
commitment
to
public
participation
and
process.
Pwsa
in
the
city
is
launching
the
stormwater
planning
process,
so
that
may
be
coming,
but
council
can
perhaps
use
this
update
process
to
reinforce
community-based
urban
watershed.
Efforts
such
as
the
nigley
run,
watershed
task
force
or
the
watersheds
of
south
pittsburgh
or
other
watershed
groups.
A
H
Hello
shady
trees,
not
shady
deals
in
bonaire.
We
have
a
solution
for
some
of
the
watershed
problems
on
route
51.,
the
impervious
roof
concrete
and
asphalt
of
bonaire
school
can
be
removed.
The
previous
blessing
of
a
good
elementary
school
has
been
empty.
For
a
decade.
The
school
has
become
a
curse.
H
H
My
sincere
consistent
request
is
that
city
council
create
a
resolution
to
block
zoning
change
and
support
a
green
space
to
replace
bonaire's
school
building.
Do
your
part
for
the
environment,
reduce
urban
heat,
reduce
watershed
to
route
51
increase
green
space
to
benefit
all
protect
the
children
at
the
playground?
H
A
I
believe
these
are
these
next
few
speakers.
G
A
G
G
The
only
trouble
is
it's
mismanaged
and
you
people,
if
you're,
going
to
do
a
program
with
watersheding
correct
the
problems
that
you
have
created.
I
have
pictures
of
a
clogged
sore.
It's
been
there
when
you
people,
especially
the
sore
company,
come
out.
They
knew
that
this
sewer
is
clogged,
there's
no
water,
it
can
go
in
it,
but
you
neglected
it.
How
many
calls
did
I
make
another
thing
my
street
is
slanted
all
the
water
goes
on
to
other
people's
property.
G
Now
this
ain't
just
on
my
street,
it's
other
streets
and
my
gutters
go
right.
Not
to
the
street
into
my
backyard,
so
I
don't
have
no
water
coming
to
in
the
store,
except
for
baiting,
water
and
washing
clothes,
so
I
don't
be
affected,
but
I
get
a
notice.
I'm
150
feet
from
his
so-called
watershed,
which
is
a
political
thing.
All
I'm
telling
you
is
send
somebody
up
to
look
at
the
street
find
out.
G
Why
there's
a
clogged
store
that
no
water
can
go
in
it
and
creates
a
water
shield
and
why
the
city
is
slighted,
then
talk
about
the
entitlements,
storms
and
title
ix
and
that
that's
just
like
you
becoming
a
political
state
you're
going
to.
I
have
refugees,
retirees
on
my
street.
Are
you
going
to
go
after
them
after
2022
because
of
the
neglect
on
the
street,
I'm
going
to
show
you
one
thing:
a
neighbor.
G
G
A
Thank
you,
mr
blancas,
and
we
we
do
have
your
contact
information
and
your
address,
so
we
will
make
sure
that
the
sewer
is
someone
is
sent
out
there
to
look
at
that
and
to
to
address
this
concern
of
yours
on
the
street.
E
E
Done
down
the
street
and
it's
all
clogged
up,
I
don't
know
what
else
to
say,
just
terrible.
I
wish
you
people
would
help
us
control
this.
I
know
pwsa
is
gauging
us
for
a
lot
of
money.
It
seems
like
we
always
get
an
increase
in
the
bills
that
ain't
right.
Either
we
pay
our
water
bill.
Then
we
have
to
pay
the
pwsa
bill
and
it's
always
so
sky
high.
E
I
Brenda
I
told
you
that
I
think
I
should
say
something.
I'm
concerned
with
my
back
of
my
house.
I
It
has
a
ruined
one
side
of
my
garage,
my
lower
garage
and
we
can't
figure
out
where
the
water
is
coming
from
and
that's
what
I'm
concerned
with
and
that's
why
I'm
here
today.
I
thank
you.
A
So
having
exhausted
the
public
comment,
I
would
like
to
open
it
up
to
the
council
members
that
we
have
here
today
in
case
there
are
questions,
additional
comments,
I'll
take
it
in
the
order
of
time
that
you
join
the
meeting
so
councilwoman
gross.
Do
you
have
any
comments
or
questions
for
our
guests
today.
J
Well,
it's
a
big
it's
a
big
set
of
changes
to
wrap
our
minds
around.
So
I
appreciate
that
we
have
briefings
at
council
and
and
then
the
summary
here,
I'm
glad
to
see
that
there
is
some
difference
in
the
in
priority
zones
right
so
this
this
notion
that
we
know
that
some
sewer
sheds
contribute
far
more
greatly
than
other
sewer
sheds.
J
You
can
literally
live
right
across
the
street
from
each
other
or
be
two
properties
across
the
street
from
each
other,
but
your
your
sinks,
toilets
and
downspouts
and
don't
go
to
the
same
sewer
outfall
there
they're,
like
bran,
discreet
systems
like
branches
of
trees,
right
there's,
one
tree
this
way,
one
tweet
this
way,
even
though
they
might
terminate
in
houses
right
across
the
street
from
each
other,
and
so
the
reductions
that
you
do
on
one
property
may
not
actually
decrease
our
sewer
outfall
as
significantly
as
the
ones
that
you
do
in
a
really
high
priority.
J
Super
shed-
and
I
heard
some
concerns
from
some
public
testimony
about
those
and
I'll
just
say
that
we
know,
for
example,
the
a22
that
is
highlighted
over
falls
or
outfalls
or
overflows
sewage
into
the
rivers
at
one
tenth
of
an
inch
of
rain,
and
that
is
a
source
that
shared
by
councilwoman
strausberger
and
I,
and
we
know
that
we've
been
trying
to
reduce
the
volume
in
that
sewer
shed
I'll,
say
something
that
I
always
say
that
you
know.
J
We've
been
talking
about
stormwater
for
about
20
years,
but
we
have
seen
in
the
last
eight
years,
significant
increases
in
new
construction
and
some
of
them
in
these
very
sensitive
sewer
sheds,
and
that
I
always
ask
when
I
am
facing
the
sewer
modules,
how
much
volume
they're
adding
in
water
consumption,
because
that
is
also
going
into
the
combined
sewers.
So
while
we
when
we
started
the
conversation
20
years
ago
or
more,
we
were
looking
at
how
storm
water
causes
those
overflows.
But
we
know
that
even
in
dry
weather,
the
a-22,
for
example,
is
full.
J
And
so
I
just
always
like
to
remind
ourselves
that
not
all
sewer
sheds
are
the
same
and
that
I
think
that
we
as
a
council
should
also
be
looking
at
how
to
capture
some
of
the
not
just
storm
water
but
sewer
like
lower
the
sewer
input.
It's
a
lower
water
consumption,
which
is
what
is
happening
in
western
states
right.
They
are
adapting
to
low
flow
toilets.
J
We
we
haven't
even
begun
to
talk
about
that
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
and
it's
kind
of
surprising
to
me
when
we
know
that
we
need
to
lower
the
sewage
that
reaches
the
the
the
rivers,
and
we
know
that
we
really
have
identified
the
sewer
sheds
that
are
full
even
in
dry
weather.
So
I
think
that
is
just
kind
of
future
work
that
remains
to
be
done.
J
J
There
seem
to
be
just
a
lot
of
moving
parts
right
now
in
in
terms
of
zoning
approvals,
building
approvals
and
now
kind
of
like
stormwater
approvals,
as
well
as
sewer
module
approvals
was
already
had
a
confusion
at
council
with
it
seems
like
sewer
modules,
should
not
be
hitting
our
agenda
and
are
hitting
it
too
early,
and
I
just
saw
some
legislation.
It
was
new
papers
today
that
councilman
burgess
wants
some
kinds
of
zoning
to
be
granted,
deemed
approval
and
expedited
with
the
council
person's
approval.
J
It's
new
legislation
we
haven't
even
discussed
yet
so
I
don't
know
how
these
things
fit
together,
or
some
of
them
actually
don't
work
together
and
so
I'll
be
it's
already
confusing
enough
to
try
to
visualize
the
development
approval
process.
So
those
I'll
just
give
you
a
heads
up.
That
always
will
probably
be
part
of
my
questions
next
week.
Sorry
about
that
council
and
once
I
get
started,
I
just
kept
going,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
public
comments
and
I
look
forward
to
more
discussion.
Thank
you.
That's
all.
I
have.
K
I
have
residents
that
receive
postcards
and
I
appreciate
everyone
that
got
me
some
answers
on
that,
but
I
said
one
outstanding
question
because
I
know
some
of
them
are
listening,
so
they
receive
postcards
as
homeowners
to
say
this
is
this.
You
know
there
will
be
this
change
and
stormwater
code
come
to
this
public
hearing,
because
you
are
in
a
watershed.
K
This
you
know
you
you
know
so
these,
so
these
residents
are
receiving
these
cards
and
I
was
kind
of
curious
if
the
store,
if
the
storm
water
code,
that
we're
changing,
is
to
require
properties
that
are
10,
10,
000
square
feet
or
more
to
hold
more
water
on
site
than
they
currently
do,
because
they
they
are
required.
Currently,
from
my
understanding
like,
what's
that
engagement
there
for
them,
is
it
just
just
so
they're
aware?
D
Yeah
director
dash,
I
can
take
it
or
so
per
so
those
specific
watersheds
which,
just
as
like
a
step
back
a
watershed,
is
the
whole
area
that
drains
to
one
specific
point.
So
when
we
say
the
monogahela
river
watershed
we're
talking
about
every
every
area
to
which
a
rainfall
falls
on
there,
that's
eventually
where
it's
it's
ending
up
and
so
act
167
is
a
state
estate
act
and
they
have
specific
release
rate
maps
which
currently
live
in
title
nine.
D
So
our
zoning
code
for
the
monongahela
gerdy's
run
and
run
so
your
residents
were
probably
receiving
it
for
gertie's
run,
and
so
those
three
watersheds
have
specific
mapping
overlays
that
live
in
the
zoning
code,
and
so
we
are
required
to
notify
them
because
it's
technically
a
change
to
the
zoning
code
map
because
we
are
proposing
pulling
those
from
the
zoning
code
and
putting
them
in
title
13.
K
D
K
D
Yeah,
so
that's
why
they
were.
Those
residents
were
specifically
notified,
and
we
know
we
know
that.
That's,
I
think
been
part
of
the
confusion
is
that
we
want
to
make
it.
We
want
to
do
our
due
diligence
and
notify
people
as
we're
legally
required
to
do
with
the
understanding
that
it's
not
necessarily
something
that
they
would
come
into.
Interaction
with
in
their
day-to-day
life.
K
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear,
like
essentially
it's
in
trying
to
improve
how
their
watershed
would,
you
know
be
in
the
future,
like
you
know
that,
basically,
their
watershed
wouldn't
create.
It
doesn't
specifically
relate
to
their
own
property,
since
they
they
fall
within.
K
You
know
small
much
smaller
square
footage,
but
just
to
you
know,
be
very
public
and-
and
I
guess
by
law,
we
have
to
send
them
this
because
there's
a
change
to
the
code,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear,
because
they're
watching
either
on
city
channel
or
on
this
youtube
live
stream
that
we
have
now.
So
thanks
appreciate
all
your
time.
D
Yeah,
that's
an
important
important
point
of
clarity,
so
it
is
a
city-wide
change,
but
those
specific
watersheds
were
notified.
Just
for
the
title.
Nine
changes.
A
Thank
you,
councilman,
and
my
only
comments
are
are
echoing
what
I
said
at
the
briefing
that
council
members
and
staff
received
last
week,
which
is
one
clarifying
that
where
I
received
clarity-
and
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
reiterate
here
that
there
are,
in
addition
to
the
moving
a
lot
of
moving
parts
when
it
comes
to
permitting
the
councilwoman
gross
mentioned.
There
are
a
lot
of
moving
parts
when
it
comes
to
stormwater
management
citywide.
A
This
is
one
which
is
not
only
a
clean
up
of
the
code,
but
also
a
kind
of
a
tightening
of
the
code
as
well
for
larger
development
and
parallel
to
that
is
an
effort
by
pwsa
to
come
up
with
a
stormwater
management
plan,
and
then
concurrent
to
that
is
a
petitioning
of
the
public
utility
commission
by
pwsa,
which
handles,
among
other
things,
stormwater
and
and
and
the
water
we
use
in
our
in
our
homes
and
businesses,
to
be
able
to
charge
a
storm
water
fee
for
controlling
having
then
having
the
resources
to
be
able
to
put
into
controlling
of
storm
water.
A
A
It
is
there's
a
lot
happening
here
and
a
lot
of
entities
working
on
one
big
kind
of
overarching
issue,
but
I'm
appreciative
to
city
planning
for
the
diligence
and
work
that
they've
done
on
this
project
and
this
part
of
this
sliver
of
stormwater
management,
and
you
know,
look
forward
to
the
continuing
the
conversation
and
seeing
how
it
all
plays
out
and
ensuring
that
everyone
gets
the
clarity
that
they
need
for
the
on
the
permitting
end
of
this,
which
I
think
is
probably
the
most
confusing
part
of
it.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
I
have
no
further
questions
unless
there's
anything
anything
else
that
anyone
would
like
to
add
the
good
of
the
order.