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A
Good
morning
and
welcome
to
the
standing
committee
meeting
for
wednesday
june,
2nd
2021
council
will
continue
to
meet
virtually
until
further
notice.
Meetings
can
now
be
viewed,
live
on
the
city
channel
and
live
streamed
on
youtube.
Our
first
order
of
business
is
public
comment,
and
I
would
like
to
remind
all
speakers
that
the
rules
of
council
state
that
comments
are
limited
to
matters
of
concern.
Official
action
or
deliberation
which
are
or
maybe
before,
city,
council
and
profanity
will
not
be
permitted.
A
B
B
B
This
relationship
with
our
tribes
and
also
the
northwest
ordinance
an
accident
in
1787
which
began
with
this
phrase,
the
utmost
good
faith,
shall
always
be
observed
towards
indians
and
I'll
end.
On
that
note,
to
say,
the
utmost
good
faith
has
not
been
been
observed
towards
us
and
it's
time
for
city
council
to
honor
it
to
read
this
precedence
that
is
already
has
been
set.
C
C
A
Thank
you
very
much
that
does
exhaust
our
list
of
registered
speakers.
Therefore
moving
us
to
our
standing
committee
agenda
and
where
the
clerk
please
take
the
role.
A
A
Thank
you.
Our
first
committee
of
the
day
is
finance
and
law,
which
is
chaired
by
myself.
Three
deferred
papers,
the
first
being
bill
14-17.
F
G
To
approve
second,
any.
G
Briefly,
could
we
read
the
remainder
executive
bills
that
were
held
for
executive
session
after
we
approve
this
sure
yeah?
Thank
you.
E
1501
resolution
authorizing
the
issue,
one
of
a
warrant
in
favor
of
william
j
miller
junior
esquire
in
an
amount
not
to
exceed
5
200
for
arbitration
services
rendered
in
connection
with
the
city
and
the
fop
act.
111
interest
arbitration
field
number
1502
resolution
authorizing
the
issue,
one
of
a
warrant
in
favor
of
desiree
pinkston
and
her
attorney
michael
j
healy
in
the
amount
of
twenty
eight
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
in
full
and
final
settlement
of
litigation
filed
in
the
u.s
district
court.
For
the
western
district
of
pennsylvania.
A
The
or
curve
second
any
discussion
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
all
right.
Both
bills
are
recommended.
We
need
a
motion
to
approve
the
back
invoices.
Any
discussion,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye,
aye
aye
any
opposed
invoices
are
approved.
We
need
a
motion
to
approve
the
p-cards.
A
I
J
It
there
so
I
am
concerned
that
this
bill
is
talking
about
police
robots.
J
K
Commander
trap,
I'm
on
and
so
officer
lapaglia
from
our
swat
team.
J
Okay,
thank
you,
gentlemen,
so
I
would
love
for
you
to
describe
what
we're
looking
at
here.
It's
just,
I
think,
distressing
to
a
a
lot
of
the
population
that
we'd
be
talking
about
robots
and
policing
in
the
same
sentence.
So
if
you
could,
please
describe
to
us
what
we're
seeing.
K
Yeah,
so
what
these
are
is
they
are
little
basically
mobile
cameras
that
allow
us
to
see.
For
example,
we
have
somebody
that's
barricaded
in
a
house
rather
than
sending
officers
directly
in
and
risking
the
safety
of
the
person,
that's
barricaded
and
the
officers
and
possibly
hostages.
We
send
the
camera
and
get
a
look
and
see
what's
in
there
and
basically
that's
what
these
are
they're
cameras
that
can
go
up
steps.
K
They
give
us
the
layout
of
things
all
that
kind
of
stuff
go
into
crawl
basis,
addicts
where,
rather
than
risking,
like
I
said,
officer
safety,
we
send
them
in
to
do
this.
They're,
not
robots
that
carry
guns
or
explosives
or
anything
else,
they're
robots
that
take
a
camera
in
and
let
us
see
what's
going
on
inside
any
place
that
we
send
them.
J
I
thought
we
had
legislation
to
prohibit
these
kinds
of
purchases.
This
sounds
like
the
kind
of
military
equipment
that
council
has
discussed
and
before
can
you
speak
to
them.
K
It's
not
the
type
of
military
equipment
that
your
legislation.
This
isn't
that
this
is
not
an
offensive
weapon,
as,
as
I
said
before,
it's
merely
a
camera
that
motors
around
so
that
we
can
see
in
there.
I
I
think
it's
provides
a
lot
of
safety
and
protects
even
the
person.
That's
the
barricaded,
suspect.
J
I
don't,
I
don't
believe
the
legislation
banning
military
equipment
actually
used
the
term
that
you
just
used
offense.
What
did
you
use
offensive?
What.
K
J
J
K
We
don't
we
don't
put
additions
on
them.
We
only
use
them
as
as
surveillance,
reconnaissance
cameras
and
they're
only
used
in
like
barricades
and
that
type
of
things
they're
not
used
for
any
any
other
general
activity.
K
K
J
K
So
generally,
they're
barricaded
suspects
with
or
without
hostages,
they're
high
risk
search
warrants.
Generally,
though,
these
are
mostly
used
on
barricades,
we
know
or
believe
that
somebody's
in
their
arm
they
may
or
may
not
have
hostages
and
the
camera
goes
in
to
show
us
what's
in
there.
J
K
K
Swat
arrives;
we
they
take
up.
A
perimeter
in
the
tactical
commander,
advises
an
incident
commander
about
what
various
proposals
are,
so
we
always
start
off
with
pales.
I'm
trying
to
get
the
person
to
come
out
peacefully.
K
Then
negotiators
generally
will
try
and
make
contact
with
ever
whatever
way
possible
if
those
failed
or
the
person
refuses
to
come
out.
At
that
point,
whenever
possible,
we
will
insert
the
robot
into
the
house
or
the
structure
to
try
and
determine
hey.
If
there
is
somebody
in
there
be
where
that
person
is
whether
they
are
armed,
what
the
conditions
of
any
hostages
are.
J
J
So
I
mean,
I
still
think
we're
on
a
really
cute
territory.
Mr
la
paglia,
you
wanna
mute
yourself,
there's
a
lot
of
background
noise,
dustin
lapaglia
says
on
my
screen.
Thank
you.
So
we've
seen
police
forces
using
some
very
big
scary,
looking
robots
in
other
cities,
and
I
don't.
I
think
that
is
exactly
what
the
kinds
of
things
council
has
discussed
here
before
that
we're
not
comfortable
with.
K
J
J
J
That's
only
deployed
in
very
you
know,
dangerous
situations,
and
the
public
knows
when
swat
has
been
deployed
right,
and
so
I
think
what
we
don't
want
to
see
is
that
there
are
kinds
of
technology
and
surveillance
technology
that
we
don't
know
when
they're
being
deployed-
and
we
don't
know
kind
of
in
in
what
context
and
for
what
purpose.
K
J
J
I
don't
have
any
further
questions
right
now,
mr
chair,
but
I
am
concerned
that
we
always
have
these
discussions
when
we
see
this
kind
of
technology
coming
in
front
of
us
appreciate
it.
M
You
commander
chap
good
morning,
thanks
for
being
here,
I
was
just
wanting
to
double
check,
but
I
heard
that
this
would
not
be
used
in
a
situation
where
there's
a
large
crowd
where
there
is
a
crowd
of
people
protests
that
sort
of
thing,
even
if
there
were
concerns
about
individuals
rather
than
the
protesters
in
the
crowd
gathering
about
who
they
are,
what
they
may
be
doing.
This
would
not
be
deployed
in
that
kind
of
situation.
Is
that
what
I
heard.
K
K
I
Yes,
thank
you
commander
trap,
thank
you
for
being
here
this
morning
and
it's
good
to
see
you
out
on
election
day
nice
to
get
have
a
chance
to
catch
up
with
you.
I
Yeah
yep
good-
I
just
wanted
to
say
this
is
in
my
eyes-
is
technology
at
its
best.
Okay,
and
you
mentioned
it,
and
I
kept
thinking
about
you-
know
the
technology
that
we
have
to
send
a
robot
to
a
backpack
that
might
possibly
be
a
bomb.
You
know
so
to
be
able
to
use
this
in
situations
that
you
know
could
save
lives
of
our
you
know.
Officers,
for
starters,
is
just
incredible.
It's
a
tool.
We
hope
we
don't
have
to
use
you.
L
I
Never
have
to
dr
when
I
have
to
drag
this
out,
but
you
know
it
certainly
can
save
lives.
It
sounds
like
it's
very
restricted
to
the
swat
team,
but
I
also
want
to
say
commander:
let's
not
limit
ourselves,
you
know
when
you
say
strictly
swat
or
strictly
for
hostage
situation
or
a
bomb
threat.
You
know,
I
think
you
leave
that
open
where,
as
as
long
as
the
swat
team
is
operating
that
I'm
fine
with
it,
I
trust
you
so
you
know
I
just
don't
want
to
limit
ourselves
to
just
strictly
hostage
slash.
I
You
know
bomb
situations,
so
you
never
know
what
can
arise
as
we
all
know,
so
you
always
want
to
have
that
capability
to
use
such
an
incredible
machine,
so
written
guidelines.
You
know
what
I
I
trust
you
guys
will
use
it
and
the
police
force
will
use
it
to
the
best
of
their
ability
to
you
know.
We
know
it's
going
to
save
lives.
That's
it
for
me.
It's
it's
technology
at
its
best.
I
I
don't
always
agree
on
spending
money
for
things
that
you
know
technologically
advances
us
but
costs
a
fortune,
but
this
is
money
well
spent.
That's
all
for
me
thanks.
N
Certainly,
I
have
introduced
multiple
pieces
of
legislation
that
at
least
tries
to
codify
what,
at
least
in
my
mind,
that
looks
like
reimagining
police
means
having
a
smaller
force,
a
force
that
is
used
for
very
specific
things,
while
providing
social
services
and
putting
money
into
prevention.
So
the
law
enforcement
isn't
used.
N
The
three
pillars
of
reimagining
police
and
from
the
policing
perspective
in
my
mind,
is
training
technology
and
transparency.
N
Technology
is,
you
know,
always
a
little
scary,
but
tools
are
tools
like
a
steak
knife
in
your
kitchen.
Drawer
is
a
wonderful
tool,
for
you
know
eating
steak
and
cutting
chicken,
and
you
know
food
is
my
passion
so,
but
if,
if
used
maliciously,
it
can
become,
you
know
a
vicious
weapon,
and
so
I
think,
and
I
think
councilwoman
gross
is
right.
N
I
think
we
should
always
look
at
the
tool,
knowing
that
that
the
purpose
maybe
may
be
benevolent
or
or
or
positive,
but
you
know
we
know
that
these
things
can
be
weaponized
if
necess
it
won.
If
one
and
she
said
add-ons
weaponized-
and
I
guess
what
I'm
suggesting
is
one
of
the
really
the
conversation
we're
having
and
I'm
supportive
of
certainly
of
the
camera,
but
the
conversation
really
happened
is
what
a
motivation
right.
We
are,
as
we
reimagine
police
we're
actually
talking
about
changing
the
hearts
and
minds
of
historically
how
police
have
operated.
N
We
know
that
with
and-
and
we
know
that
pittsburgh
has
led
in
terms
of
this
change-
that's
happening
nationally-
of
changing
their
hearts
and
minds
the
training
of
how
police
operates,
because
we
know
the
status
quo
is
not
fair
or
just
the
status
quo
of
our
justice
system,
disproportionately
targets
african
americans,
people
of
color,
latinos,
gay
and
lesbian
people,
and
so
we
need
to
we
we're
having
this
conversation,
it's
going
to
be
a
long
conversation
right.
N
It's
going
to
take
us
beyond
my
career
and
all
of
our
careers
here
to
to
to
to
really
alter
how
we
do
policing,
because,
even
though
it
seems
and
the
thing
that
I
I
I
I
find
interesting-
is
the
average
person
the
world's
very
dangerous,
but
actually
it's
actually
not
that
dangerous
right.
If
you're
not,
you
know,
engaged
in
illegal
activity,
if
you're
not,
you
know
engaging
in
people
who
are
doing
violent
crimes,
it's
actually
not
very
dangerous.
The
city
is
actually
not
very
dangerous.
N
The
you
know
the
odds
of
any
of
any
of
us
individually
being
involved
in
a
violent
crime
is
actually
very
low,
but
we
have
this
this
myth
that
has
been
portrayed
nationally
by
republicans
and
others
that
you
know
the
city
is.
The
big
bank
city
is,
although
there
is
violence
in
the
city
is
typically
localized
and
typically
isolated,
and
so
we
are
we
are.
We
are.
We
are
that's
a
long
speech,
but
that's
the
goal
right.
The
goal
is:
how
do
we
reimagine
police?
How
do
we
change
hearts
and
minds?
N
How
do
we
get
the
community
and
police
in
a
partnership?
You
know
we're
we're
working
together
to
create
a
safer
environment.
99.9
of
all
citizens
want
the
same
thing
from
police.
99.9
of
all
residents
want
exactly
the
same
thing
from
the
police.
They
want
the
same
thing
for
their
families.
They
want
exactly
the
same
thing,
and
so
you
know
we'll
have
these
ongoing
conversations.
I
I
think
council's
doing
a
great
job
of
having
these
conversations
looking
at
the
technology.
N
Thinking
about
the
possibilities,
I
know
there
is
somewhere
we
passed
back
in
the
day
with
cameras
there
is,
there
is
on
record
a
policy
it
may
be.
We
may
have
passed
it
before.
You
came
on
council
councilwoman
gross,
I
don't
know,
but
we
we
did
pass
some
sort
of
surveillance
legislation,
it's
on
the
record
somewhere
and
I
may
have
to
look
it
up,
but
we
did.
When
we
look,
we
started
looking
at
cameras.
N
We
did
pass
some
sort
of
privacy
policy
that
limited
how
cameras
could
be
used
in
the
at
least
on
the
official
function
of
the
city.
So
it
may
be
worthwhile
to
take
a
look
at
that
policy
to
make
sure
that
that
this
is
in
line,
and
it
may
be
something
very
different
again.
I'm
going
for
my
institutional
memory,
I
don't
have
the
file
in
my
hand,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
this.
I
think
this
is.
N
This
is
a
a
passive
drone-like
instrument
that
hopefully
will
lead
to
less
violently
violent
encounter
and
protecting
both
the,
in
this
case,
a
subject
or
a
person
of
interest
and
the
police
who
are
responding
to
this.
This
somewhat
intense
incident.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
bell.
A
E
Bill
1518
resolution
authorizing
the
mayor
and
director
of
the
department
of
mobility
and
infrastructure
to
enter
into
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
the
pennsylvania,
historic
and
museum
commission,
the
pennsylvania
department
of
transportation,
the
norfolk
southern
railroad
and
various
other
stakeholders
concerning
certain
historic
mitigation
measures
to
be
taken
by
norfolk.
Southern
railroad
in
the
course
of
its
replacement
of
the
merchant
street
bridge
within
the
city
motion
to
approve.
F
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
want
to
make
a
note
that
this
this
memorandum
of
understanding
you
know
is,
has
been
brought
out
of
a
public
process
and
this
this
bridge
is
not
going
to
be
involved
in
the
vertical
clearance
project.
So
it's
not
being
raised
or
lowered.
Okay,.
A
A
That
moves
us
to
land
use
and
economic
development,
which
is
chaired
by
councilman
wilson
first
paper
is
bill.
15.
E
G
G
G
P
P
There's
it
really
won't
take
that
much
to
demo
some
of
the
properties
after
I
was
talking
with
her,
and
I
think
this
has
got
to
be
a
priority
for
council
moving
forward
we're
expecting
people
to
live
next
to
homes
that
are
falling
apart
in
deplorable
conditions.
None
of
us
would
want
to
live
next,
but
we
have
to
put
the
money
where
it's
going
to
make
the
most
impact
to
our
residents,
and
I
just
want
to
say,
advocate
for
that
and
to
help
director
fincher
accomplish
about
the
job.
We
expect
her
to
do.
Thank
you.
I
Director
kinter,
I
just
really
wanted
to
compliment
you.
You
know
the
spreadsheet.
You
gave
me
with
the
list
of
properties
that
needed
demoed
and
it
sounded
like
you
almost
knew
of
everyone.
Personally,
so
you
know-
and
I
agree
with
councilwoman
kale
smith,
that
is
so
important.
You
know
green
space
is
better
than
a
house,
that's
falling
down,
so
you
know.
I
know
the
list
is
somewhat
overwhelming
at
this
point,
but
I
would
like
to
see
much
more
funding
going
into
this,
and
if
the
city
decides
to
sell
the
property
they
sell
it.
I
If
it
sits
there,
then
we
cut
the
grass
you
know
so
so
you
know
places
are
infested
with
rats,
and
you
know
when
you
leave
a
place
abandoned
like
that,
it's
unsafe
people
get
in
there.
You
know
we
tore
down
saint
basil's
school,
and
you
know
I
just
couldn't
be
happier
with
creating
green
space
is
really
what
we're
doing
so.
So
I
just
wanted
to
compliment
you
really
good
job.
Your
staff,
everybody
seemed
like
they
were
on
top
of
the
abandoned
properties
that
were
at
least
scheduled
to
come
down
in
my
district.
I
So
and
we
took
action
on
the
most
imminent
ones,
and
you
know
I
appreciate
that
thanks.
G
Councilman
cross
thanks
mr
chair,
so
director
can
you
there
and
members
I'd
like
to
call
for
a
post
agenda.
I'd
be
happy
to
share
just
the
state
of
demolition.
You
know,
as
it
relates
to
our
responsibilities
in
the
budget.
I
think
it's.
It
would
be
a
very
timely
conversation
to
have
and
to
take
it
even
one
step
further
to
the
once
demolition
is
completed.
G
You
know,
since
the
day
I
walked
in
the
door,
we
have
been
discussing
how
to
manage
the
lots
that
are
left
behind
once
we
actually
do
demo
properties.
So
I
think
it's
a
really
timely
discussion.
I'd
like
to
motion
for
post
agenda
on
the
state
of
demolition
and
hope
for
a
second
and
I'd
be
happy
to
share
it.
P
P
P
P
This
post
agenda,
maybe
two
separate
ones
with
the
land
bank
and
with
the
real,
the
real
estate
department
and
how
we
are
disposing
of
properties,
because
I
think
really
there's
a
lot
of
landlords
that
are
not
taking
care
of
really
of
their
properties
and
yet
they're
buying
more
and
more
properties
and
not
taking
care
of
those,
and
so
we
just
keep
adding
to
the
list
of
problem
properties.
So
I'd
just
like
to
have
a
broader
conversation
about
what
we're
doing
about
the
land
and
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
Thank
you.
G
Yeah,
madam
president,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
It's
such
a
br.
It's
such
a
you
know
complex,
complicated,
broad
conversation.
G
I
I
if,
if,
madam
president,
if
you're
you're
in
agreement
I'd
like
to
maybe
do
it
in
two
stages,
then
so
as
to
to
not
take
too
big
a
bite
of
an
apple
phase,
one
be
to
discuss
the
state
of
demolition
phase,
two
to
discuss
the
the
reuse
or
repurposing
of
property.
A
All
right,
so
we
currently
have
two
motions:
let's
do
one
at
a
time.
First,
the
motion
on
actually
approving
the
bill
is
there
any
further
discussion
on
the
motion
to
approve
the
bill,
if
not
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
all
right
in
the
oppose
the
bill
is
recommended.
Now
we
can
hear
councilman
krause's
motion
for
the
post
agenda,
any
fur.
Any
further
discussion
on
his
motion
to
hold
a
post
agenda.
Councilman
wilson.
F
Yes,
I've
been
having
similar
discussions
with
the
department
and,
quite
frankly,
how
we're
gonna
move
forward
with
actual
money
to
do
demolition.
So
I'd
like
to
be
involved
in
this,
if
not
chair
the
this
this
discussion-
this
is
something
that
you
know
has
been.
We've
been
working
directly
with
the
director
on
this
for
quite
some
time
and
trying
to
understand
what
some
of
these
issues
are.
F
So
I'm
happy
to
work
with
you,
councilman
councilman
krauss,
but
certainly
a
conversation
to
be
had
you
know
it's
difficult
to
have
a
conversation
when
you
don't
have
the
money
to
do
it.
F
You
know
we're
all
waiting
on
this,
these
funds
to
come
in,
so
we
can
do
this
demolition
and
right
now
you
know
it
looks
like
we'll
be
moving
around
some
some
funds
to
actually
get
that
done
just
to
do
the
emergency
demo
that
we
have
arcades
around
properties
that
are
literally
as
we
speak,
you
know
falling
down.
I
I
just
wanted
to
add
councilman
wilson.
I
I
welcome
you
as
chairing
that
I
really
appreciate
other
members
enthusiasm
about
this.
This
is
to
me,
you
know,
I
mean
it's
not
impossible.
You
know,
I
think
you
keep
it
in
steps
when
we
talk
about.
You
know
what
we
are
going
to
do
with
that
property
and
bringing
the
land
bank
in
those
are
all
necessary
things.
I
I
believe,
but
and
moving
these
properties
in
the
right
direction,
but
the
first
and
foremost
demo
demo
demo
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
as
far
as
these
unsafe
structures
and
it's
a
lot
easier
to
get
somebody
interested
in
that
piece
of
land,
if
we
so
choose
to
sell
it
to
the
public
or,
however,
we
handle
it
as
a
green
space
where
they
can
build.
You
know
structurally
it
if
it's
in
that
bad
shape,
where
it's
condemned.
Typically,
you
know
costs
more
to
try
to
restore
it.
I
G
Mr
chair
councilman,
thank
you
just
briefly.
Part
of
my
motion
is
to
actually
share
the
the
and
do
the
exploratory
on
the
on
the
post
agenda,
but
I
welcome
the
partnership
and
help
of
all
members
that
wish
to
participate.
M
Yeah
just
quickly
to
say
that,
while
I
acknowledge
that
the
district
that
I
represent
doesn't
have
as
many
houses
and
needed
properties
in
need
of
demolition,
we
do
have
some,
but
not
as
many
as
other
districts.
A
Thank
you
any
other
members.
If
not,
I
will
quickly
say
I
look
forward
to
the
conversation.
Some
of
you
all
may
know.
I've
actually
been
the
anti-demolition
person
for
numerous
reasons
in
part
because
of
what
councilman
kraus
stated
about
the
maintenance
of
the
land,
especially
in
lower
income
neighborhoods.
We
demolish.
A
We
put
the
structure
in
the
ground,
which
then
makes
it
even
one
makes
it
sort
of
a
wasteland.
We
don't
have
a
plan
to
clean
up
that
two.
It
makes
it
more
expensive
when
it's
now
time
to
hopefully
redevelop
that
land
three.
If
we're
talking
about
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing,
which
we
need,
it
becomes
cheaper
to
stabilize
and
fix
up
a
property
and
try
to
build
from
new,
especially
post
cova,
when
prices
have
gone
up
100.
A
So
for
many
reasons,
and
we
can
we'll
go
to
it
in
detail
and
I
I'll
work
with
councilman
krauss
on
the
post
agenda,
I've
sort
of
been
the
anti-demo
person
other
than
when
it's
a
public
safety
hazard
which
director
cancer
has
been
supportive.
When
I've
actually
reached
out
and
said
hey
look,
this
is
about
to
fall
down
and
she's
reacted
and
kept
the
structure
down.
So
when
it's
a
true
public
safety
hazard,
I
support
it,
but
I've
actually
been
the
anti-demolition
person.
But
with
that
said,
I
look
forward
to
the
conversation.
J
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
those
comments,
because
I
was
trying
to
be
respectful
because
I
don't
know
everybody's
neighborhoods
and
in
districts
as
well.
I
look
forward
to
the
conversation
as
well,
but
I
I
think,
I'm
aligned
with
your
perspective,
your
your
district
as
we've
talked
about
many
different
times
at
the
council
table.
That's
experienced
a
tremendous
number
of
those
demolitions
right
and
so
there's
there's
an
upside
and
downside.
So
I
just
appreciate
your
comments
and
I'll
stop
there.
Thank
you.
G
I
just
want
to
remind
us
and
and
be
respectful
of
all
comments
that
have
been
made
this
morning,
that
what
the
discussion
that
we're
going
to
have
is
really
about
balance
right.
When
is
it
appropriate
to
take
a
structure
down
when
is
it
appropriate
to
save
a
structure,
and
you
know,
and
how
do
we
understand
that
balance
and
then
how
do
we
also,
you
know,
understand
our
responsibilities
if
and
when
the
only
recourse
is
to
take
the
property
down.
G
So
it's
sort
of
why
I
kind
of
you
know
pushed
to
want
to
share
this.
It's
you
know
there.
It's
an
incredibly
complex
conversation
that
needs
to
take
place,
and
there
are
many
differing
points
of
views,
and
I
I
really
want
to
make
space
for
all
of
them
to
to
be
heard.
N
Real
quick,
as
you
know,
there
are
parts
of
my
district
like
homewood,
is
60
tax,
delinquent
and
vacant,
and
so
I'm
demolition
is
a
tool.
Certainly
rehab
is
a
much
better
tool.
I
look
forward
to
this
this
this
conversation.
N
N
I
have
parts
of
my
district
where
there's
vacant
and
abandoned
houses
on
every
block
right,
there's,
not
there's
not
a
block
where
there's
not
some
vacant
abandoned
properties.
There's
parts
of
my
district
that
you
know
are
that
bad
and
I
always
say,
and
as
I've
said
to
you
heard
me
earlier,
it's
the
number.
N
I
get
right,
it's
not
violence,
it's
not
ps,
pwsa
or
paving
streets.
The
number
one
complaint
I
get
is
van
abandon
and
vacant
properties
of
cutting
the
grass
and
boarding
them
up,
but
just
just
imagine
the
quality
of
life
on
any
block.
N
If
every
single
property
on
that
block
was
taken,
care
of
not
not
necessarily
rebuilt,
just
boarded
up
in
the
grass
cut,
what
a
transformation
in
the
life
of
those
people.
If
all
if
every
single
property
on
that
block
was,
was
managed
and-
and
that's
I
think,
that's
the
goal
for
all
of
us
and
all
of
our
districts-
you
know
it's
not
enough
money
to
do
it,
but
that's
that's!
N
The
goal
is
that
in
all
of
our
communities
and
all
of
our
districts,
for
every
single
parcel,
eventually
to
have
its
highest
and
best
use,
but
in
the
interim,
as
it's
transitioning
for
it
to
be
managed
and
maintained,
that's
the
goal.
Unfortunately,
we
as
a
city
don't
have
the
money
to
do
it.
So
I
look
forward
to
the
conversation.
N
I
think
it's.
I
think
it's
right
time
for
having
it,
I
think,
yeah.
I
think
we
have
to
employ
every
every
available
strategy
to
redevelop
communities
giving
a
priority
because
of
equity
to
those
low-income
and
those
specifically
that
are
african-american.
Historically,
they
must
receive
a
disproportionate
amount
of
the
resources
that
we
allocate.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
Yes,
when
I
speak
of
demo,
I
speak
of
structures
that
are
unsafe.
I
I
want
to
make
that
clear.
Okay,
just
because
every
building's
condemned
doesn't
mean
it
has
to
come
down,
but
that's
a
step-by-step
process.
I
You
know
some
had
somebody
to
come
down
some,
don't
some
are
worth
saving
some
aren't
when
I
speak
of
the
ones
in
my
district,
I
speak
of
ones
that
I
know
are
structurally
unsafe
and
have
been
sitting
there
for
30
plus
years
and
nobody's
interested
in
buying
them
because
the
nightmare
of
taking
the
old
structure
out
of
there.
I
So
so
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
that
and
as
far
as
you
know,
moving
these
properties
and
getting
them
into
the
hands
of
people,
and
it's
an
it's
a
nice
thought
to
have
some
sort
of
machine
that
goes
out
and
fixes
all
these
properties
up.
But
that's
not
our
job.
I
think
that's
why
we
have
a
land
bank
or
other.
You
know,
entities
that
can
help
us
out
there.
I
We
have
a
real
estate
department,
so
not
a
real
estate
agent
by
any
means,
but
I
think
creating
green
space
when
we
have
an
unsafe
structure
is
a
good
thing
for
for
the
neighborhood
and
for
the
city
and
just
wanted
to
be
clear
that
when
I
talk
demo,
I
talk
unsafe
structures,
but
thanks.
A
L
M
L
A
L
M
As
this
as
people
know,
I
believe
we
have
used
asella
as
it's
our
legacy
permitting
system
that
we
used
as
a
city,
especially
pli
before
one
stop.
Pgh
came
in
the
game
and
as
of
this
year,
pli
really
isn't
using
it
as
much
less
than
half
of
permitting
is
done
through
a
sell-off.
M
But
this
contract
is
for
a
one-year
extension
with
a
plan
for
jomi
to
migrate,
more
of
their
permitting
over
to
one
stop
pg
by
the
end
of
2021
and
for
imp
to.
M
O
Sure
so
we
previously
had
126
licenses.
We
are
down
to
10,
which
is
the
minimum
that
the
contractor
will
allow.
So
this
is
a
20
000
increase
for
one
additional
year,
eli
uses
one
license,
which
we
mostly
use
for
right
to
know,
requests
and
to
look
up
historical
data
that
would
still
be
housed
in
that
system.
O
O
J
Thank
you
director.
I
just
wanted
to
say
how
incredibly
helpful
and
succinct
and
clear
that
explanation
was
because
I
think
we
were
all
looking
at
that
going
like
accelerated
when
when
are
we
gonna
be
done
with
this,
so
just
framing
it
that
way,
you
did
extremely
well
going
from
like
that.
A
huge
number
of
licenses
down
to
10,
which
is
the
minimum
you're
allowed
to
do,
and
that
you're
only
using
one
and
dummy
still
has
the
remainder
that's
in
their
transition.
So
there
is
an
end
in
sight.
Yes,
thank
you,
and
that
is
amazing.
J
So
I
know
that
was
terrible
and
I
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
have
so
there's
a
path
for
keeping
the
historical
record
so
you're,
keeping
that
one
for
right
to
no
requests
and
so
there's
some
way
where
you're
going
to
go
export
or
transfer
the
old
data.
O
Or
something
yeah,
so
we
would
include
notes
and
other
aspects
that
aren't
on
the
permit
document
in
excela,
and
so
we
still
want
to
be
able
to
ask
access
that
information.
If
there's
a
right
to
know
if
we
get
subpoenaed,
you
know
things
of
that
nature.
So
we
want
to
work
with
inp
to
stand
up
the
database
and
all
those
fields
that
aren't
connected
to
a
document
printout
so
that
we
we
have
it
forever
and
ever.
J
So
a
discussion
for
another
day,
but
in
in
since,
in
the
last
eight
years
that
I've
served
here
and
we've
done
so
many
technology
transitions.
I
again
we
don't
need
to
discuss
it
now.
You
don't
even
need
to
answer,
but
I
think
that
this
this
function
of
inp
being
able
and
councilwoman
I'm
sure
you've
been
talking
to
imp
about
this.
Of
of
having
the
kind
of
consulting
capacity
to
help
with
information
management
across
departments.
J
That's
not
going
to
go
away
like
we're
going
to
continue
to
have
this
need
now
that
so
much
information
is
digitized,
and
so
maybe
again
I
don't
even
want
you
to
answer,
because
it's
just
such
a
different
discussion
than
what's
on
the
agenda
here,
but
that
you
know
we're
gonna
need
to
integrate
those
with
our
archivist
as
well,
and
we're
really
really
grateful
to
have
nick,
and
I
know
that
it's
been
an
award-winning
thing
and
he's
been
digitizing
lots
of
our
records
as
well,
but
for
that
legacy
component,
it's
really
a
new
opportunity
and
vastly
different
than
10
or
15
years
ago,
when
they
were
literally
just
boxes
and
basements
and
people
didn't
even
know
what
they
were.
J
So
just
another
thought
that
you
made
me
think
of,
and
thank
you
for
your
very
succinct
answer
appreciate
it.
P
Thank
you
and
mr
chair,
and
I
just
I'm
not
going
to
talk
a
lot
about
it,
but
I
do
want
to
say
permitting
has
been
a
big
issue
for
years
for
me
and
one
of
the
things
I
see
is,
as
I've
looked
in
other
places
in
new
york
city,
for
instance,
all
the
permits
go
under
the
clerk's
office.
Everything
and
I
just
really
feel
like
we
need
to
do
a
little
bit
better.
Well,
I
think
there's
people
like
the
one-stop
shop,
but
unfortunately
it's
really
not
a
one-stop.
P
P
You
know
dpw
everybody
who
issues
permits
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
p.o,
and
I
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
have
a
better
conversation
and
the
better
way
that
we
address
the
issues
and
concerns.
I
know
you
councilman
lavelle
and
councilman
burch's
and
councilwoman
gross
are
getting
a
lot
more
development
and
are
probably
way
far
more
familiar
with
that
whole
process
and
than
than
we
are
in
our
area.
P
But
I
know
that
the
few
times
that
we've
had
things
it
has
been,
or
they
had
to
get
the
chief
of
staff
involved
so
many
times,
even
for
small
things,
and
it's
like
that's
not
the
way
it
should
work.
So
I
just
want
to
say
I
think
that
we
need
to
really
address
this
issue.
P
We've
all
talked
about
it,
you
know,
independently
or
together
with
issues
we've
experienced,
but
I
think
having
a
broader
conversation
and
bringing
this
all
together,
and
so
maybe
this
might
be
a
post
agenda,
but
I
also
think
it
might
be
a
group
of
us
working
together
to
make
some
changes
here.
So
I'll
talk
to
some
of
you
later
about
how
we
can
move
forward,
because
I
do
want
to
make
changes,
that's
it.
Thank
you.
I
Yes,
director
kinter,
you
know,
as
I've
told
you,
I
have
the
utmost
confidence
in
you
as
a
director
of
the
pli,
but
you
know,
I
also
have
told
you
I
do
feel
there
are.
You
know
short
changes
there
in
many
ways
and
for
instance,
before
you,
I
think
it
was
mark
kennedy
at
the
time
before
I
agree
to
you
know,
purchase
that
420
building
or
agree
for
the
funding.
For
that
I
said
promise
me
you'll
have
somebody
at
that
desk.
I
I
You
know
somewhere
in
the
south
hills
where
somebody
could
come
in
and
you
know
actually
get
help
from
a
person
who's
behind
a
computer
or
can
walk
them
through
whatever
the
process
is
so
so
I
feel,
like
you
know,
we
need,
you
probably
need
more
resources.
I
think
councilman
gross-
and
I
have
argued
that
on
your
behalf,
many
times
before
so
so
I
hope
we
can
get
there
but
yeah.
I
still
want
that
person
behind
a
desk
that
personal
touch.
I
You
know,
if
I
don't
have
people
in
my
life,
I
don't
know
if
I
could
apply
for
the
permits
you
know
so,
but
anyway
yeah.
We
hope
to
talk
about
that
more
thanks.
L
E
M
So
I
know
that
some
members
had
questions
about
this
legislation,
so
I
wanted
to
open
up
the
opportunity
to
to
directly
address
this
with
those
at
the
table.
Let's
see
director
rex,
I
see
it
actually
directory.
J
I
appreciate
it
so
I
think
maybe
both
directors
if
they
could
join
us,
so
councilman
strasberger
helped
me
when
I
reached
out
to
her
to
understand
that
this
is
about
that
contract
for
the
consulting
group
that
is
and
kind
of
developing
the
policies
and
helping
with
the
permitting
for
small
cells.
But
everybody
knows
I've
been
asking
every
time
anything
with
small
cells
comes
up,
but
when
we
did
zoning
for
parcels
when
we
did
policies
for
the
right
of
way
I've,
I
always
have
lots
of
questions.
J
So
one
of
the
things
we
don't
see-
and
maybe
there's
been
reporting
elsewhere
to
council-
that
I've
missed,
but
I'm
wondering
how
many
installations
we
actually
currently
have
as
a
city,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
one
of
the
directors
can
speak
to
that.
I'm
remembering,
I
think
in
2014,
or
maybe
it
was
2015.
J
when
we
had
a
kind
of
emergency
contract.
We
had
to
allow
because
of
federal
regulations
with
crown
castle
or
something
like
that,
and
I
I
made
sure
that
we
attached
the
exact
15
locations
so
that
it
wouldn't
be
an
open-ended
contract
because
it
was
very
rushed,
and
these
were
the
first
installations
in
the
city,
and
I
remember
specifically,
some
of
them
are
about
mount
washington
because
it
there
one
was
right
near
our
city,
council
budget,
director,
bill
urbanic's
house,
and
so
we've
we've
had
numerous
discussions.
These
things
are
new
to
cities.
J
Some
cities
have
handled
them
better
than
others,
and
again
we
have
policies
and
zoning
around
private.
You
know
parcels
in
the
planning
code
and
we
have
discussions
about
them
in
the
right
of
way
and
we
have
state
preemption
threatening,
so
I'm
just
wondering
kind
of
director,
norman
or
director
rex.
If
you
could
join
us,
I
don't
see
you
are
you
there.
J
Are
there
you
are,
I
apologize
just
too
many
too
many
participants
in
the
backgrounds
here
from
your
from
your
perspective,
let's
just
start
with
you
kind
of
how.
How
are
you
interacting
with
this
contract,
and
and
what
do
you
know
about
kind
of
like
the
volume
of
of
these
installations.
Q
So
the
contract
covers
a
number
of
items
that
have
where
both
inp
and
domi
have
been
working
with
ctc
to
look
into
a
variety
of
topics
surrounding
5g
and
others.
In
terms
of
the
volume
that's
really
under
dummy's
purview
and
I'm
sure
director
rix
can
speak
to
the
location
and
the
numbers
of
5g
permits.
J
Q
So
we
we've
been
working
with
ctc
on
assessment
of
our
networks
and
they
helped
us
to
pull
together
an
rfp
for
our
net
pgh
dark
fiber
leasing,
rfp
that
was
released
a
few
months
ago
and
in
terms
of
the
5g,
that
is
where
director
rex
and
domi
have
really
been
working
closely
with
them.
So.
Q
Precisely
this,
what
I'm
talking
about
is
the
dark
fiber
network
leasing,
rfp,
and
that
is
how
we
connect
all
of
our
facilities
together
and
bring
connectivity
network
internet
to
you.
J
Okay,
that's
good
to
know,
that's
good
to
know!
Thank
you.
I
think
that
might
be
it.
That
was
a
great
visual.
I
still
remember
the
the
visual.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
director
rex
you're
somewhere
here
too.
R
I'm
here,
thank
you,
so
this
contract
was
originally
the
city
needed
to
renegotiate
our
cable
franchise
agreement
with
the
two
major
telecommunications
providers,
and
so
that
was
a
very
urgent
need.
At
the
same
time,
we
had
a
confluence
of
other
factors
coming
forward,
including
this
advent
of
small
cell
5g
technology
that
was
going
on
and
so
for
because
this
is
a
area
of
specialty
that
only
a
few
firms
really
have.
We
consolidated
those
efforts
of
what
domi
needed
and
what
imp
needed
into
a
single
rfp.
R
So
that's
why,
just
as
background
the
title
of
this
bill
is
about
the
cable
franchise.
This
amendment
is
for
that
one
task
area
that
relates
to
small
cell
guidance
and
what
we're
doing
so
I'll
get
the.
I
don't
know
the
exact
number
of
small
cells
that
we
have
in
the
city.
I'll
get
that
to
you
as
a
as
follow-up
information.
There's.
R
As
you
know,
council
person,
there's
four
g
antennas
and
then
5g
antennas,
4g
antennas
have
been
in
the
city
and
that's
probably
what
you're,
referring
to
in
the
2014-2015
time
frame
is
really
when
that
fourth
generation
of
telecommunications
antennas
came
to
be
distributed.
R
Exactly
the
5g
now
is
the
is
the
latest
and
greatest,
but
there's
many
more
of
them.
They're
smaller
antennas,
but
they
have
a
shorter
distance
range
that
they
can
reach.
They
do
carry
significantly
more
data
in
their
transmissions,
but
because
that
there
will
be
many
more
of
these
antennas,
they
have.
You
know
they
can
roughly
service
an
area
of
just
a
couple
of
blocks.
R
R
Yes,
sorry,
those
are
installations
that
domey
permits
that
domey
would
have
issued.
Domi
does
not
issue
permits
for
those
installations
that
are
in
buildings
or
but.
R
J
I
can't
determine
the
top
of
your
house
and
without
a
permit,
I'm
sorry,
what's
you
can't
just
stick
one
on
top
of
a
building
or
on
top
of
your
house
without
a
permit
there?
Actually,
because
I
remember,
we
voted
on
the
amendment
to
the
zoning
code,
so
there
is
permitting
for
them
in
the
on
private
parcels
correct
in
the
zoning
code
correct.
So
I
am
curious
about
that,
because
I
mean
some
people
just
do
have
concerns
about
having
to
look
at
them.
J
I
always
joke
and
say
they
look
to
me
like
a
crew
cut
haircut
like
on
top
of
buildings,
there's
just
like
a
forest
of
them
on
top
of
some
of
our
buildings
and
in
other
cities,
they've
required
that
they'd
be
disguised
and
that
kind
of
thing
so
so
there's
a
there's
a
kind
of
visual
aspect,
but
also,
I
think,
the
greater
reason,
especially
for
the
right-of-way
installations
that
we're
concerned
about,
is
that
it's
a
new.
It's
a
new
technology.
J
J
So
I'm
I
believe
in
our
discussions
before
you
talked
about
how
to
work
with
the
new
state
preemption,
basically,
but
also
with
the
actual
telecom
companies
in
order
to
be
able
to
even
count
and
track
and
determine
where
service
is
and
where
it
isn't,
because
it's
less
obvious
than
it
was
under
the
gold
contracts.
Did
I
summarize
that?
Yes,
okay,
but
yeah?
So
this
this,
even
though
you
said
it
like
it
reads
differently,
but
that's
kind
of
this
extra
20
000
is
going
to
allow
us
to
better
do
that.
R
J
Okay,
great
I
just
I,
I
knew
that
it
was
it
was
kind
of
there
was
more
here
than
than
what
the
words
were
saying
and
what
so
I
was
wanting
to
make
sure
that
I
was
kind
of
following
along,
because
it's
definitely
something
I
think
it's
it's
new
and
it's
a
big
area
of
concern
to
citizens,
but
it's
it's
new
for
council,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
staying
up
to
date.
M
A
E
Bill
1544
resolution
authorizing
the
mayor
to
enter
into
the
2020-2024,
amended
and
restated
corporation
in
support
agreement
with
the
allegheny
regional
asset
district,
the
carnegie
library
and
the
allegheny
county,
and
to
enter
into
an
amended
agreement.
An
amendment
thereto
and
ratifying
for
our
actions.
A
D
A
All
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
opposed
we'll
be
held
two
weeks.
That
is
our
agenda.
We
do
have
some
meeting
announcements
this
afternoon
at
1
30
p.m.
Council
will
hold
a
cable
pass
public
hearing
on
bill,
1414
relative
to
the
inclusionary
housing
overlay
district.
You
can
register
for
this
hearing
by
filling
out
the
sign
up
form
on
the
council
meeting
scheduled
webpage
by
11
30.
This
morning
next
week,
council
will
hold
our
regular
and
standing
committee
meetings
on
tuesday
and
wednesday
june,
8th
and
june
9th
at
10
a.m.
A
H
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
need
to
call
for
a
post
agenda
with
our.
This
is
what
used
to
be
called.
The
youth
budget
wants
to
come
in
to
present
their
budget
requests
for
this
upcoming
year,
they're
actually
going
to
request
state
funding.
So
I
I
don't
believe
they're
going
to
request
anything
from
us,
but
I
just
want
to
make
a
motion
to
hold
cablecast
post
agenda
with
used
to
be
called
our
youth
budget.
But
it's
our
pittsburgh
public
schools,
advisory
committee.