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A
Good
morning
and
welcome
to
the
standing
committee
meeting
for
wednesday
june
16
2021.
council
will
continue
to
meet
virtually
until
further
notice.
Meetings
can
now
be
viewed,
live
on
the
city
channel
and
live
streamed
on
youtube.
Our
first
order
of
business
is
public
comment.
I
would
like
to
remind
all
speakers
of
the
rules
of
council
state
that
comments
are
limited
to
matters
of
concern.
A
Official
action
or
deliberation
which
are
or
may
be
before,
city,
council
and
profanity
will
not
be
permitted
once
you
are
announced,
please
provide
your
name
and
neighborhood
for
the
record
and
you
will
be
given
one
three
minutes
to
speak.
Excuse
me,
we
have
one
speaker
this
morning
and
that
speaker
being
ikuhana
how
malkina.
C
B
B
Okay
does
it
matter
the
age
and
it
certainly
doesn't
matter
their
gender
or
race.
We
are
losing
our
babies
at
epic,
a
number
of
a
portion
that
we
can't
even
begin
to
wrap
our
minds
around
how
this
got
out
of
hand.
The
way
that
it
is
now
it's
up
to
you
to
make
sure
that
the
resources
are
flooded
into
this
situation,
that
every
bit
of
resources
are
being
used
to
stop
this.
B
B
Will
you
fund
these
opportunities?
Will
you
make
it
a
priority
to
fund
these
opportunities
for
the
youth
right
now,
city
council
is
debating
whether
they're
going
to
be
able
to
open
up
schools.
Well,
I'm
pretty
sure
some
of
these
youth.
If
you
survey
through
the
communities
and
get
out
and
do
some
real
outreach
in
these
communities,
because
I've
already
talked
to
several
people
and
their
skills
that
matches
the
need
that
the
city
has
to
employ
people
to
be
lifeguards
to
employ
the
youth
to
be
lifeguards.
B
B
These
people
don't
have
places
to
go,
which
causes
them
and
leads
them
into
the
streets
they
can't
afford
to
live,
and
they
definitely
can't
afford
to
live
off
of
7
hours.
What
the
youth
is
telling
me
directly
homelessness
is
a
real
issue
for
them
and
so
they're
in
the
street
doing
what
they
can
to
make
ends
meet.
B
A
D
E
A
H
G
Mr
chair,
I
know
councilwoman
smith
wanted
to
be
here
for
this
discussion
and
she
hasn't
joining
us
yet.
Do
you
mind
if
we
come
back
to
this
paper
in
a
little
while.
F
Bill
1578
resolution
authorizing
the
issue,
one
of
a
warrant
in
favor
of
pma
management
corporation
in
the
amount
of
sixteen
thousand
nine
hundred
and
twenty
dollars
in
settlement
of
acclaim
or
damage
to
a
granite
pillar.
At
the
entrance
of
saint
michael
cemetery,
2729
south
18th
street
by
a
city,
public
work
pilot.
H
A
All
right
lyndon
bill
1579.
F
Bill
1579
resolution
providing
for
the
sale
of
certain
property
acquired
by
the
city
at
tax
sales,
2046
lake
street
lot
and
block
number
48
e
262
and
thereafter
authorizing
the
execution
of
a
quick
claim
d,
conveying
all
of
the
city's
right
title
and
interest
in
and
to
send
property
to
pride.
Well,
llc.
I
Second,
mr
chair,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
want
to
ask,
I
believe
mr
demarco
is
on
the
line.
So
this
is
a
house,
that's
in
my
districts
on
troy
hill
and
I
believe
that
the
the
person
will
be
purchased.
They'll
purchase
it
through
they've,
been
going
through
a
conservatorship,
and
I
was
hoping
that
demarco
could
explain
the
process
that
that's
going
on
here,
because
a
lot
of
people
in
my
district
ask
about
conservatorship.
There's
a
lot
of
questions.
J
Sure,
councilman,
wilson
and
and
we've
had
discussions
regarding
the
number
of
filings
on
the
north
side,
troy
hill.
I
am
the
attorney
with
the
law
department.
That's
responsible
for
these
conservatorship
cases.
These.
J
Abandoned
and
blighted
property
act,
an
act
that
was
written
by
judge
walco
when
he
was
a
state
representative.
K
J
J
What
the
act
of
sexual
essentially
does
is
allow
the
court
to
take
control
of
certain
abandoned
and
blighted
properties
that
are
either
owned
by
individuals
or
businesses
or
owned
by
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
and
in
this
process
you
have
to
have
standing
to
file
one
of
these
lawsuits.
J
You
either
have
to
be
a
non-profit
corporation
within
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
That's
engaged
in
the
development
of
abandoned
and
blighted
properties,
or
you
can
be
a
property
owner
or
a
business
owner
within
2000
feet
of
the
property,
which
is
what
we
have
in
this
situation
and
the
conditions
of
the
act.
You
have
to
establish
that
the
property
is
abandoned,
that
it's
blighted,
it's
a
public
nuisance.
J
It
has
not
been
occupied
for
a
year
and
then
it
has
not
been
under
a
contract
for
sale
with
a
licensed
real
estate
professional
within
six
months,
and
many
of
these
properties
throughout
the
city
that
are
owned
by
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
Qualify
under
this
act
and
we're
seeing
now
an
increase
in
the
number
of
filings,
particularly
in
the
garfield
neighborhood
and
in
on
the
north
side
and
troy
hill,
not
as
much
but
it's
mostly
down
in
the
lower
north
side.
It's
a
situation.
J
What
I'm
trying
to
what
I've
recommended
to
the
finance
department
is
that
we
sell
the
property
because
number
one
we're
going
to
lose
the
case.
The
property
is
going
to
go
into
conservatorship
and
as
the
owner
of
the
property,
the
city
of
pittsburgh
is
number
nine
on
the
list
of
entities
that
are
paid
once
the
property
is
sold
as
the
owner.
If
let
me
give
you,
for
example,
if
the
property
is
owned
by
an
individual,
the
city
has
a
tax
lien
school
district.
J
The
tax
lien
is
fourteen
thousand
eight
hundred
and
seventeen
dollars
and
the
property
is
being
sold
for
fifteen
thousand.
I
Well,
thank
you
for
that
explanation.
I
just
wanted
to
clear
up
a
few
more
questions.
Circling
around
the
conservatorship,
you
know
often
people
think
that
there
may
be
someone
still
living
in
the
in
the
pro
or
you
know,
living
in
the
house.
I
Do
we
have
instances
in
the
city
where
someone
is
you
know,
conservative
has
been
filed
and
someone
is
still
like
this
one
is
abandoned
and
you
know
familiar
with
the
case.
There's
someone
that
you
know
this
is
the
property
on
our
next
store
the
tenant
right
there
they're
experiencing.
I
You
know
what
happens
whenever
a
property's
been
vacant
abandoned
for
a
long
time,
whether
it's
rats
and
and
and
you
know,
trash
that's
dropped
off.
That
shouldn't
be
so.
This
one
seems
in
line
with
you
know,
I'm
in
support
of
this
one-
and
I
was
just
curious
on
you
know:
are
we
experiencing
others
that
have
you
know
an
occupant.
J
I
have
not
seen
that
in
that
mass
filing
in
your
district.
Apparently
there
were
some
properties
where
that
were
that
were
occupied
most
part.
My
experience
has
been
with
city-owned
properties,
they're,
obviously,
vacant
abandoned.
I
have
not
seen
any
properties
that
have
been
occupied
in
the
filings
and
I
I
think
we
have
now.
I
think,
I'm
monitoring
over
200
cases,
200
properties
within
the
city.
I
It's
good
to
know,
and
you
know
how
many
of
those
200
do
you
think
are
likely
to
you
know,
get
get
the
ruling
from
the
judge
that
they
that
they
could
go
through
the
conservatorship
law.
Most.
J
Of
them
I
mean
these
are
200
the
city
right
now,
we're
dealing
with
about
44
properties
of
city-owned
properties
that
the
200
or
majority
of
which
are
privately
owned.
I
J
Many
of
the
properties
aren't
listed
for
sale
on
the
website.
Okay,
it's
a
long
process
to
go
through
the
finance
department.
J
There
are
some
properties
that
four
or
five
years
they're
backed
up,
and
I
told
the
finance
department
when
I
first
got
involved
in
these
cases.
I
All
right:
well,
that's
definitely
a
further
conversation
with
the
finance
department.
If
you
could
answer
the
ques,
what's
your
in
your
opinion,
what
is
why
would
it
take
four
to
five
years
to
acquire
this
for
the
city?
I.
J
I
Well,
thank
you
for
all
your
work,
and
you
know
thanks
for
answering
all
my
questions,
sure.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
I
see
that
we're
having
a
recurring
discussion
around
vacant
properties,
and
this
is
the
the
problem
we've
been
dealing
with
now,
since
the
entire
time
I've
been
on
council
right.
G
So,
mr
demarco,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
asking
just
some
some
concrete
questions
for
me,
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
like
all
of
the
related
policy
issues
around
this,
because
we've
had
many
discussions
and
obviously
we
need
to
continue
having
you
know,
big
discussions
going
deeper
into
these
issues,
but
I'm
curious
about
the
44
properties
that
our
city
owned,
that
you're
tracking
you
said
you
were
tracking
some
200
as
what
I
wrote
down
and
that
44
are
city
owned,
I'm
maybe,
starting
with
this
one
on
lake
avenue,
did
I
say
that
right,
ley
street?
G
It's
how
many
years
has
it
been
abandoned
and
blighted
and
city
owned.
J
The
only
thing
I
could
tell
you
is
that
the
city
acquired
it
on
september,
22nd,
2015.
G
G
It
seems
a
million
years
ago
because
it
was
pre-pandemic
right
about
like
five
or
six
months
before
the
pandemic,
and
we
had
treasurer
linear
before
she
retired
at
the
table.
We
had
the
city
controller
at
the
table.
We
had
real
estate
at
the
table
and
we
the
table
kind
of
informed
council
that
some
of
the
properties
that
are
under
city
control,
like
this
one,
have
been
on
our
books
for
20
30
years.
Maybe
more.
G
J
Summer
decade
the
majority
were
acquired.
I
have
a
spreadsheet
I'm
looking
at
behind
me.
Many
of
them
were
required.
2015
2016,
2017.
G
So
that's
actually
a
new
wrinkle
really
since
we
as
a
council
since
I've
been
here,
we
I
think
there
was
conversations
about
land,
land,
banking
and
the
pittsburgh
land
bank
before
I
got
on
to
council
and
then
sponsored
the
legislation
that
passed
in
2014,
and
so
these
were
acquired
after
that.
So
it's
the
the
inventory
of
city,
owned
properties,
has
continued
to
grow.
G
Considering
the
lambic
has
only
gotten
one
one
property
that
it's
currently
working
on
so,
but
I
also
wanted
to
thank
councilman
wilson
for
opening
up
this
conversation
on
conservatorship.
It
is
even
a
problem
in
my
district,
which
has
by
now
most
of
the
vacant
properties,
especially
city-owned
properties,
are
long
gone
right.
They
were,
they
were
bought
and
moved
by
the
finance
department.
The
first
few
years
I
was
here
we
were
almost
always
seeing
district
7
properties
on
the
list
of
properties
that
were
coming
through
from
finance.
G
G
I
had
a
case
where,
in
highland
park,
someone
who
wanted
to
restore
and
live
in
a
property
was
in
the
process
of
conservatorship,
but
a
an
llc
tried
also
to
get
it,
and
so
they
were
both
in
front
of
judge
mcvay,
and
I'm
I'm
worried
about
this
notion
that
private
flippers,
basically
right,
people
who
are
trying
to
just
buy
properties
can
flip
them,
which
in
some
neighborhoods,
is
what
they've
been
trying
to
get
for
many
years.
G
I
want
to
acknowledge
that,
but
then
other
city
neighborhoods,
it's
the
opposite,
there's
been
too
much
flipping
too
much
speculation
and
and
and
the
the
neighborhood
feels
kind
of
under
attack
and
in
some
of
some
of
the
districts
some
of
the
areas
are
represented.
My
council
district
have
seen
tenfold
home
value
increases
right.
The
hundred
thousand
dollar
house
is
now
near
a
million
dollars
and
that
which
sounds
absurd
right.
It's
not
the
case
in
lots
of
the
city,
but
it
is
in
lawrenceville
it's
why?
We've
we're
working
on
other
issues
around
affordability.
G
So
this
notion
that
we
as
a
council,
as
you
suggest
we
just
start
listing
properties.
I
think
we
really
want
more
input
from
our
neighborhood
organizations
from
city
planning
about
what
are
the
needs
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure.
I
included
that
in
this
conversation
right,
so
that
the
public
doesn't
take
away
from
this
thinking
like
well.
The
city
is
sitting
on
these
properties
for
no
reason.
Yes,
we
should
not
have
sat
on
them
for
so
long.
G
G
You
know
social
need,
so
I
just
wanted
to
throw
in
my
two
cents
there
and
thank
you
for
bringing
those
numbers.
I'm
very
curious
to
continue
this
conversation.
That's
all
I
have
mr
chair.
A
Thank
you,
councilman
coghill,.
H
Thank
you
chair,
mr
chair,
john
you're,
now
the
fourth
john
demarco
in
my
life,
your
relatives
in
brookline.
H
H
J
H
Right
right
right,
it's
funny!
So
hey
john,
my
questions
relatively,
you
know
comparison
as
to
what
you're
you
do
as
to
what
I
did
on
a
with
some
private
properties
that
I
knew
were
abandoned.
We
couldn't
find
the
owner.
H
They
were
back
on
all
their
taxes,
so
you
know
I
went
through
sheriff's
sale
and
you
know
we
there
was
an
up
cost
as
to
you
know
what
the
taxes
that
they
owed
on
it.
So
I
think
the
last
one
I
looked
at
was
about
30
000,
so
it
kind
of
started
at
that
and
the
private
market.
Then
you
know
takes
over
and
seeks
out
these
properties.
I
had
to
seek
them
out
myself
really
and
just
really,
you
know,
do
the
do
the
do
the
grunt
work
on
it.
H
J
Share
sale
involves
a
foreclosure
action
if
a
foreclosure
foreclosure
action
is
filed
against
these
properties
that
cannot
be
subjected
to
the
abandoned,
abandoned
and
blighted
act.
So
those
those
properties
are
that's
a
different
method
in
which
to
acquire
property.
Usually
a
bank
is
involved
with
the
city-owned
properties,
the
city
acquired
property
through
a
t,
sale,
there's
back
taxes,
county
city,
school
district,
carnegie
library.
Even
so
those
are
the
only
liens
that
we
know
of
on
the
property.
There
may
be
some
other
liens,
but
they,
the
bank,
hasn't
foreclosed
on
it.
J
H
J
Private
properties,
the
cases
that
I
monitor,
I'm
there
to
protect
the
liens
on
behalf
of
the
city,
the
school
district
library.
My
function
in
those
cases
is
to
present
the
lean
information
through
jordan
tax
so
that
we
get
paid
once
that
property
is
developed
and
sold
and
we
have
been
paid
on.
I
think
two
or
three
properties.
This
year.
Judge
mcvay
is
sensitive
to
the
liens
and
preserving
the
municipal
liens
and
he's
been
very
good
about
awarding
the
liens
in
the
cases
that
have
concluded.
H
J
Well,
sometimes
the
conservator
can
keep
the
property
and
lease
it
out
and
then
it's
on
the
tax
rolls.
I
had
a
couple
situations
with
that
when
I
first
started
the
liens
were
waived,
but
the
property
was
back
on
the
tax
rolls,
so
it
became
rental
property.
H
M
Thank
you
I'll
just
end
the
conversation
briefly,
a
few
weeks
back
john
council
took
under
consideration
a
broader
discussion
on
demolition,
and
what
I'd
like
to
add
to
the
conversation
is
to
take
it
further
than
that.
It
really
is
around
land
management
and
the
city's
plan
for
vacant,
blighted,
abandoned
or
cleared
properties
that
are
no
longer
purposeful
or
are
serving
the
greater
good.
M
Let's
put
it
down,
and
so
I'd
just
like
to
broaden
the
discussion
philosophically
for
for
all
members
to
take
under
consideration
when
we
do
do
the
post
agenda,
that
from
what
I
can
see,
the
real
challenges
for
the
city
after
things
like
police
reform
and
equity
and
all
considerations
it
really
comes
down
to
land
management
and
land
has
always
brought
wealth
and
prosperity
and
power
with
it
throughout
the
the
ages,
throughout
history
and
and
at
some
point
in
time.
M
The
city
is
gonna,
have
to
truly
come
to
terms
and
wrestle
with.
You
know
how
we
sell
or
dispense
our
land
who
buys
it
and
what
intent
they
have
to
use
the
to
use
it.
You
know
there's
not
a
day
that
goes
by
that
staffers
in
all
of
our
offices
are
not
dealing
with
llc's
that
are
around
the
globe
around
the
nation
that
are
three
and
four
generations
removed
from
any
kind
of
legitimate
contact
information
just
to
track
down
who's
holding
property.
M
For
what
reason
you
know
what
purpose
and
how
to
either
wrestle
it
back
as
councilman
rose,
was
saying
and
turn
it
over
to
a
better
community
benefit
and
not
just
simply
for
what
the
market
might
support
at
that
time.
So
it's
just
it's
just
a
bigger
discussion
and
I
don't
mean
to
open
that
can
of
worms,
but
I
just
would
like
to
include
that
in
the
in
the
post
agenda
as
we
fashioned
it,
it
really
comes
down
to
the
city's
overall
plan
for
for
land
management.
A
Thank
you
any
further
discussion,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
say
all
right.
Any
opposed
bill
is
recommended.
Let's
go
to
bill
1580.
M
D
F
1581
resolution
authorizing
the
mayor
and
city
clerk
to
execute
relevant
agreement
to
receive
grant
funding
from
the
pennsylvania,
historical
and
museum
commission's
historical
and
archival
records
care
grant
to
scan
and
re-house
26
volumes
of
city
council,
minute
books,
1816
through
1877
and
74
volumes
of
annex
bureau,
books
and
further
providing
for
an
agreement
and
expenditures
not
to
exceed
eight
thousand
sixteen
dollars.
The
grant
requires
a
match
from
the
city
in
the
amount
of
eight
thousand.
Sixteen
dollars
for
this
stated
purpose
for
a
total
project
cost
of
sixteen
thousand
thirty
two
dollars.
C
Brief
discussion
councilman,
I
just
want
to
thank
the
clerk's
office
and
nick
for
all
that
they've
been
doing
to
preserve
our
history
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
to
maintain
those
records
to
get
everything
online.
It's
been
amazing.
We
had
a
lot
of
positive
feedback,
so
I
just
want
to
congratulate
them
and
thank
them
for
their
work.
G
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
also
say
thank
you
and
it's
it's
so
very
exciting
for
all
the
historians
out
there
or
history.
You
know
amateurs
and
that
we
will
be
able
to
access
these
records
that
have
just
been
in
hard
copy
in
madame
clerk's
fault
and
they're,
just
they're
super
fun,
and
it
makes
this
kind
of
research
back
into
what,
especially
on
these
land
use
issues.
Councilman
krauss.
It's
really
fascinating
to
be
able
to
go
back
more
easily
because
the
records
were
online
and
my
office
has
already
been
doing
that.
G
So
thank
you
so
much
to
the
clerk's
office
and
to
nick
for
doing
such
a
great
job.
F
Yeah
nick
has
done
an
awesome
job.
We
can.
We
can
say
we
have
like
a
125
years
of
records
online
now,
which
is
he's
telling
me
that
right
now
that
there's
no
other
municipalities
that
have
that
amount
of
records
available,
digitized
online,
so
we're
kind
of
setting
the
bar
and
setting
the
pace.
So
we
want
to
definitely
give
a
shout
out
to
nick
hartley
in
the
archives
and
as
our
archivist
so
he's
doing
an
outstanding
job.
He
never
took
a
day
off
when
the
pandemic
kept
working.
So
we're
proud
of
him.
G
I
should
probably
give
a
shout
out
to
the
council
person
who
preceded
me,
patrick
dowd,
who
I
believe,
created
the
position
for
the
archivist
and
was
a
as
a
as
a
phd
historian.
An
advocate.
K
I
Just
want
to
ask,
I
really
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
going
into
this:
will
these
be
like
pdf
files,
or
will
they
actually
be
in
like
text
like
searchable.
N
I
N
N
Yes,
and
actually
it's
funny-
you
mentioned
that
project.
A
lot
of
that
went
onto
a
website
called
internet
archive
and
that's
what
we're
using
for
the
municipal
record
because
it
has
a
powerful
search
engine.
So
the
municipal
record
is
available
from
1868
to
present
through
that
website.
Oh
cool,
all
right
thanks.
A
G
Oh,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
So
this
is
the
bill
that
we
held
last
week
and
we
had
discussions
with
director
chapman.
I
think
he's
waiting
here
about
what
can
we
do
to
try
to
open
more
pools
and
that
we
found
opens
a
kind
of
can
of
worms
right
that
we
heard
last
week
in
a
meeting
since
that
it's
not
just
lifeguards,
we're
actually
not
paying
a
lot
of
our
part-time
employees
well
enough,
and
so
there's
a
kind
of
ripple
effect,
and
I
said
well
I'm
all
here
for
that
conversation.
G
Let's
talk
about
that,
so
I'm
just
going
to
frame
this
a
little
bit.
Councilman
lobel!
Are
you
talking
to
us.
G
So
that
we
have,
I
just
want
to
kind
of
frame
this
a
little
bit
since
we
did
a
lot
of
talking
and
learning
over
the
last
week.
There
are
two
parts
of
our
city
budget
that
are
part-time
workers.
We
call
the
one
seasonal,
it's
a
little
easier
to
think
of
them.
Today,
it's
like
the
summer
part-time
employees,
it
may
not
be
perfectly
accurate.
G
He
said
so,
if
you,
if
you're,
trying
to
adjust
pay
scales
in
both
of
those
parts
of
the
budget,
don't
just
think
about
the
year
one
budget
implications
you
have
to
think
about
the
five-year
budget
implications
and
in
an
email
from
him.
If
I'm
reading
it
right
that,
even
if
we
did
adjust
both
of
those
parts
of
the
budget
and
carry
it
out
for
five
years,
it's
about
three
million
dollars.
G
I
think
in
the
scheme
of
things,
that's
a
good
investment
right.
We
had
it
as
a
city,
an
executive
order
from
the
mayor
in
2015
that
we
would
bring
all
of
our
employees
up
to
15
an
hour
and
so
that
executive
order
was
issued
in
2015
and
it
kind
of
graduated
up
or
raised
them
from
2016
to
2017..
They
were
supposed
to
all
be
raised,
I
think,
by
2020,
but
they
didn't
apply
to
the
part-time
workers
in
either
bucket,
so
that
was
only
for
full-time
workers
and
I
think
we're
long
overdue
for
this
conversation.
G
You
know
effort
trying
to
open
more
pools
and
pay
all
of
these
seasonal
employees
better,
the
not
just
lifeguards
but
the
pool
attendants
and
the
food
people
and
all
of
the
people
in
that
seasonal,
part-time
page
of
the
budget
better,
and
I
don't
want
to
cut
councilman
smith
out
of
here-
I
I
do
have
more
to
say
about
like
kind
of
what
are
the
challenges
of
of
opening
more
pools
that
the
director
of
dpw
and
assistant,
director
of
dpw
and
the
director
of
parks
and
rec
kind
of
illustrated
for
us
that
it
may
not
be
only
pay
scales
that
were
a
problem
this
year.
G
Opening
pools
we're
going
to
let
councilwoman
smith
jump
in.
Thank
you,
mr.
C
C
Thank
you.
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
want
to
thank
councilman
gross
for
bringing
this
up
and
and
for
working
on
this
and
director
chapman,
as
as
I
mentioned
before,
we
all
love
director,
chapman,
chapman
and
think
you
know
have
hold
him
in
high
high
regard
because
he
is
one
of
our
most
respected
directors.
He
it
respects
council,
and
we,
you
know
in
return,
respect
him.
So
I
want
to
thank
him
for
his
his
work
with
us
on
this
and
director
hornstein
for
chiming
in
this
week.
C
Although
I
disagree
with
some
of
the
thought
of
the
comments,
I
I'm
concerned
about
how
we're
paying
people,
but
right
now,
I'm
concerned
about
our
kids
and
and
getting
them
off
the
streets
and
into
something
more
productive,
and
I
don't
know
what
it
takes,
whether
it
takes
city
dollars.
I
mean
we
have
all
these
partnerships
with
foundations.
C
Foundations
say
that
they
want
to
do
so
much
to
help
the
minority
community,
the
black
community,
and
and
also
help
us
with
crime.
This
is
something
we
need
help
with.
I
mean
with.
I
don't
know
whether
I
like
the
idea
of
public
dollars,
opening
our
polls,
which
I
don't,
but
I
want
our
pools
open
at
this
point.
We've
got
to
put
our
kids
first
and
I
feel
like
there
needs
to
be
a
broader
conversation,
but
it
has
to
happen
quickly.
We
just
can't
keep
talking
about.
C
We've
got
to
open
these
pools
and-
and
I
do
know
that
director
chapman
has
a
lot
of
challenges.
I
do
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
challenges
with
our
polls
and
the
conditions
of
our
polls
and
now
paying
water
bills
and
other
things.
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
a
lot
to
discuss,
but
we
don't
have
time
for
the
long,
broad
discussion.
C
I
think
that
we
should
be
sitting
down
this
week
if
we
can
councilwoman
gross
with
some
foundations
with
some
of
the
universities
that
all
have
polls
that
could
be
opening
our
pools
up
for
our
kids.
We
should
be
talking
to
the
port
authority
and
rich
fitzgerald,
and
they
should
be
doing
shuttles
even
though
they
say
they
don't
do
shuttle
services.
I
remember
when
I
was
young.
They
did
shuttle
services,
so
that's
something
they
could
recreate
and
take
kids
to
the
polls
that
are
open.
C
I'm
not
saying
the
city
has
to
do
something
immediately
today
in
opening
the
pools,
but
there's
so
many
other
solutions
that
we
need
to
work
towards,
and
so
I
think
this,
if
councilman
gross,
if
you're
willing
to
I'll
be
happy
to
you,
know,
work
with
the
administration
and
the
the
foundations
and
director
chapman
and
director
hornstein
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
in
the
universities
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
get
these
polls,
our
kids,
two
polls,
I
don't
care
whether
they're
city
pools,
I
don't
care
whether
they're
opened
in
every
pool.
C
I
don't
care
if
it's
public
dollars
or
public
dollars
or
private
dollars.
I
just
want
to
get
our
kids
a
safe
place
for
the
summer
I
mean
you,
everybody
sees
what's
going
on
with
the
homicides
in
the
city
and
around
us
all
around
us,
and
we
need
to
do
something
now
to
get
them
get
the
kids
into
something
positive
and
we
also
need
to
help
the
parents.
Sometimes
it's
a
relief
for
the
parents.
So
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
child
abuse
too
in
our
city
and
sometimes
we're
not
providing
the
avenues.
C
You
know
we
talk
a
lot
about
things
we
want
to
do,
but
to
me
this
is
a
way
that
we
could
and
should
really
work
quickly
to
get
our
kids
and
families
into
some
place
where
they
can
relax
for
the
summer
and
be
safe.
C
So
with
that
said,
councilman
gross,
if
you
want
to
hold
for
one
more
week,
I'll
be
glad
for
us
to
arrange
some
meetings.
It's
up
to
you.
It's
your
bill
and.
G
No,
I'm
I'm
really,
I'm
glad.
I
I
I'm
glad.
I
said
what
I
said,
but
I'm
also
glad
you
said
what
you
said.
I
agree
with
you.
The
goal
here
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
providing
more
options
of
like
healthy
outdoor
recreation
this
summer,
acknowledging
especially
this
is
our
second
summer
in
the
global
pandemic
right
and
all
of
these
things
were
closed
last
year.
This
isn't
our
first
week
into
this
global
pandemic.
This
is
our
15th
month
or
so
I
think
I'm
losing
count
right.
G
People
do
need
safe
outdoor
recreation,
and
I
know
director
chapman
agrees,
but
what
we
learned
this
week
is
that
he's
we're
late
in
this
conversation
right.
If
we'd
had
this
conversation
in
february
or
march,
it
would
be
easier
to
ramp
up
these
employees,
so
councilman
smith,
I
think
you're
exactly
right.
G
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
also
for
council,
because
we
should
all
be
aware
that
what
we
learned
from
dpw,
I
should
say,
reminded
by
acting
director
hornstein
from
dpw,
because
he
is,
he
asserts
that
he
has
been
telling
us
that
our
pools
are
in
terrible
maintenance
shape
and
so
many
of
them
leak.
They
leak
tremendously.
G
We
have
to
pay
pwsa's
budget
for
our
water
use
that
wasn't
true
last
year
or
the
year
before,
or
for
any
time
before
that,
and
so
I
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
that's
what
I
found
out
or
was
reminded
of
this
week,
and
so,
if
that's
a
factor
in
us
not
being
able
to
reopen
pools,
we
need
to
fix
that
and
we
need
to
really
have
that
discussion
again.
It's
maybe
too
late
for
2021,
which
is,
I
deeply
regret,
and
I
think
we
all
deeply
regret.
G
We
should
have
fixed
those
pools
and
we
we
really
need
to
look
for
other
options.
So,
thank
you,
councilman
smith,
I'm
happy
to
work
on
that
to
see
if
we
can
find
other
options
director
chapman,
should
I
give
you
time
to
have
two
cents
you,
you
explained
yourself
very
clearly
last
week
and
you
reiterated
everything
you
had
to
say
in
private
meetings
or
meetings
with
council
members
this
week,
but
I
I
want
to
give
you
the
perspective
of
giving
you
some
time
here.
So
please.
O
Thank
you,
councilwoman.
Thank
you,
council
president
ross
chapman,
director
of
parks
and
recreation,
nice
to
see
everybody.
Yes,
I
think
you
summarized
it
quite
well
again.
I
can't
speak
for
acting
director
hornstein,
but
there
are
facility
related
issues,
deferred
maintenance
that
do
impact
our
ability
to,
I
would
say,
soundly
operate
soundly.
K
O
Assets
that
would
be
a
good
step
yeah
and,
to
reiterate,
we
have
not
stopped
the
recruitment
campaign
where
you
know
we
are
we
are.
We
do
have
that
pay
range
where
we
can
pay
lifeguards
that
have
some
experience.
O
Fourteen
dollars
an
hour
to
start
that's
actively
going
on,
I
took
a
look
in
the
neogov,
the
city's
hr's
application
system.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
drill
down
on
a
couple
statistics.
It's
interesting
to
note
and
I
don't
think
the
neogov
system
is.
O
It
doesn't
capture
all
of
the
interest
that
might
be
out
there
as
related
to
any
city
job
posting,
but
it
is
our
the
kind
of
mechanism,
the
tool
that
we
use
this
year
there
have
been
for
lifeguards.
This
is
all
positions.
There's
been
a
little
over
3400
job
views
in
the
system.
We've
had
90
applications
that
appear
in
the
system.
That's
a
point:
zero.
O
Two
percent
point:
zero:
two:
six
percent:
it's
not
very
many
people
applying
for
a
job
that
they
see,
but
when
I
compare
that
to
other
job
postings
for
other,
like
positions
across
these
and
part-time
positions
in
our
department,
it's
about
three
times
higher.
The
number
of
job
views
because
of
the
active
marketing
campaign
that's
commenced
since
february
I
would
say
january
february,
we
started
to
launch
a
push
to
recruit.
This
is
just
as
happens.
O
Every
year
I
looked
at
2018
data
in
neogov,
again
approximately
1600
views
again,
weirdly
90
applications,
that's
about
.056,
so
far
fewer
views,
but
twice
as
many
applications
a
couple
of
years
ago.
So
I
think
covet
has
changed
kind
of
everything
in
some
way
and
wages
and
positions
that
were
once
attractive.
I'm
not.
I
can't
equate
that
to
coven
making
them
less
attractive
but
for
sure
a
conversation,
an
ongoing
discussion
about
increased
wages
for
part-time
and
seasonal
hires.
O
It's
I
think,
it's
long
overdue
and
if
we
have
it
in
a
really
cohesive
collaborative
way,
maybe
we
can
forge
a
couple
pathways
to
to
make
some
improvements
in
how
we're
able
to
facilitate
not
just
summer
jobs
for
kids,
but
but
jobs
where
we
can
retain
young
people.
Anyone
and
move
them
through,
like
city
employment,
have
them.
O
And
beyond
a
seasonal,
part-time
position
and
retain
those
individuals,
that
would
be
a
really
wonderful
goal.
So
I
just
want
to
again
reiterate
my
thanks
for
your
support.
Your
concern
we're
we're
still
at
it,
we're
going
to
be
at
it
all
summer.
Shelley
and
the
team
are
working
hard
and
happy
catherine,
as
well
assistant
director
argus
we're
happy
to
weigh
in
on
on
any
meetings
or
or
other
discussions,
yeah
to
work
towards
the
right.
G
I
still
have
the
part,
but
I'll
give
it
up
mr
coghill,
in
just
one
second.
So
what
I
did
also
here
is
that
this,
because
we
haven't
hired
up
for
18
pools,
you
actually
have
dollars
in
hand
all
right,
but
we
didn't
really
in
our
discussions
over
the
last
week,
figure
out
how
to
do
better
in
actually
getting
anything
open.
G
So
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
and
said:
councilman
smith
is
going
to
help
us
kind
of
go
off
in
a
different
direction
and
try
to
augment
our
facilities
with
baby
partnerships
with
other
facilities
which
I'm
fully
supportive
of,
but
I
did
also
hear
you
are
still
recruiting,
but
because
we're
late
in
the
summer,
if
there
are
any
like
people
who
are
certified
lifeguards
out
there,
they
can
apply.
G
So
you've
never
heard
about.
So
that's
just
a
advertisement
out
there
to
the
world.
If
you're
watching,
please
tell
your
friends
or
reply,
you
can
apply
for
a
lifeguard
position
and
we
would
be
very
happy
to
receive
that
application
and
because
we
are,
I
don't
want
to
scare
anyone,
but
we
are
still
a
little
worried
about
the
level
of
staffing
that
you
have
for
these
eight
pools
right
because
there's.
I
Hi,
thank
you
director
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
another
area
that
you
know
we
we
should
look
into
because
we
really
should
be
planning
for
you
know.
Obviously
I
understand
we
want
to
hope
as
many
this
year,
but
you
know
really
next
year
and
in
the
future-
and
I
don't
want
to
you
know,
you
know,
forget
that
there
is
a
test
at
the
end
of
this.
So
we're
talking
about
you
know
the
actual
skill
set
of
you
know.
It's
not.
I
You
know
it's,
maybe
not
just
a
regular
job
where
the
skills
can
be
learned
quickly.
You
know
to
distribute
food
or
supplies
that
we
do
in
the
different
parks
across
the
city,
but
I
guess
I'm
speaking
as
someone
who
has
worked
at
north
park
when
I
was
in
high
school
north
park
pool
and
then
also
a
little
bit
in
college,
that
these
tests
are
quite
rigorous
and
not
only
do
you
need
a
life
breast
certification,
but
you
know
to
tread
water
with
a
10-pound.
I
Brick
isn't
something
that
everyone's
ready
to
jump
in
and
do
so.
It's
really.
Maybe
you
know,
and
also
the
the
city
boundaries
is
what
we're
dealing
with
as
well.
So
when
you're
out
in
the
county
and
you're
out
in
different
municipalities,
there's
a
lot
of
swim
clubs
out
there,
a
lot
more
swimming
is
more
of
a
you
know:
there's
there's
a
lot
more
opportunity
for
swimming
outside
the
city.
A
lot
of
our
city.
I
Swimmers
go
outside
of
city
for
those
clubs,
so
I
just
want
to
recognize
the
challenges
there
as
well,
and
it's
likely
a
a
stronger
partnership
that
needs
to
be
created
with
the
the
city
of
pittsburgh
schools
to
to
understand.
You
know
what
they're
getting
in
their
swim
teams,
and
you
know
what
that
looks
like,
because
I
imagine
that's-
usually
the
the
pull
of
people
that
were
going
after
as
people
that
are
on
the
swim
teams
around
the
city
is
that
true,
director.
O
Thanks
councilman
nice
to
see
you,
I
I
think,
yeah.
I
think
you
said
a
lot
of
really
important
things.
I
would
agree
with
all
of
them.
I
don't
think
we
go
after
just
swim
team,
young
folks,
but
of
course
those
those
folks,
as
you
mentioned,
are
they're
a
little
with
experience.
It
makes
it
easier
for
onboarding
if
they
come
in
with
some
lifeguard
experience
and
or
have
been
certified
in
the
past.
It
makes
it
a
lot
easier
for
that
rigorous
training,
as
you
mentioned,
to
commence.
C
O
In
a
shorter
time
frame
to
get
them
kind
of
activated
and
placed
in
in
a
chair
in
one
of
our
pools,
it's
the
those
inexperienced
youth
where
or
anyone
anyone
that's
just
less
experienced.
That
would
be
inclusive
of
myself.
I've
never
been
a
lifeguard.
I
can
swim
okay,
but
I
certainly
would
need
to
go
through
every
step
of
that
training
and
that
would
be
rather
rigorous.
It
takes
time
to
do
that.
D
O
Start
to
operate
pools,
we
have
to
be
very
mindful
about
our
resources
to
be
able
to
train
certify
while
operate,
and
it
gets
to
be
quite
a
lift,
so
we're
hoping
that
we
can
recruit
additional
experienced
lifeguards
with
some
level
of
experience
to
councilman
gross's
point.
We
do
have
some
concerns
about
retention.
We've
I've
been
working
with
our
budget
office
and
our
existing
monies
and
again.
L
O
O
On
bus
passes
we're
paying
for
certification,
I
think
I
mentioned
that
last
week,
we're
throwing.
O
We
can
at
this
and
we
you
know,
we
do-
have
the
money
to
kind
of
do
that
this
year,
weirdly
but
ongoing.
There
needs
to
be
a
greater
kind
of
investment
in
these
positions
and
these
opportunities
to
to
kind
of
shore
up
the
foundation,
so
to
speak,
so
we
can
be
a
little
more
attractive
as
an
employer.
H
Yes,
I
agree
with
all
of
what
you
all
said.
For
me.
You
know
the
pool
was
the
center
of
our
lives
growing
up,
I
mean
you
know
it
was
like
an
everyday
trek
to
the
pool
since
then
they've
closed
many
pools,
and
I
think
it
was
previous
administration
that
decided
to
do
that.
So
we
lost
a
good
bit
of
pools,
which
is
a
real
shame.
However,
I
do
have
one
early
great
pool
director
chapman
and
it
is
under
construction.
As
councilwoman
gross
said.
H
You
know,
a
lot
of
them
have
leaks
and
moore
park
was
like
leaking
like
a
sieve.
I
guess
and
now
that
we
have
to
pay
for
the
water
it
takes
on
a
new
meaning
for
us,
and
I
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
see
where
we're
at
on
that.
I
know
we
had
a
problem
with
supply
chain
and
material
that
we
needed,
but
I
get
calls
daily
on
it.
H
Brookline
has
over
20
000
residents
that
live
in
it,
so
it's
probably
one
of
our
largest,
if
not
our
largest
neighborhoods,
and
it's
the
only
pool
there
now.
So
there
was
two
they
had
shut
the
one
down
when
I
was
referring
to
the
previous
administration
at
one
point
so
just
wanted
to
see
if
you
had
anything
on
that
ross,
I
mean
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
calls
like
hey.
When
is
it
gonna
open?
But
you
know
we're
grateful
that
we're
getting
a
new
poll,
but
you
know
everybody
wants
to
use
it
yesterday.
O
I
understood
the
councilman
nice
to
see
you
seen
you
last
week.
I
don't
think
you're
on
last
week.
I
think
that
question
should
might
best
be
answered
by
acting
director
hornstein.
I
I.
L
O
O
I
think
all
the
permits
are
in
place,
so
things
are
moving,
but
not
as
quickly
as
we'd
like
them
to
move,
and
some
of
that
I
think,
was
just
the
nature
of
trying
to
secure
all
of
them
all
the
materials
that
were
necessary
for
the
completion
of
that
project.
But
there
could
be
some
other
variables
too,
but
chris
would
probably
know
a
little
bit.
H
Yeah,
you
know
he
is
the
one
I've
been
talking
to
regularly
on
it.
So
I'll
get
my
information
from
him
and
you're
right
I
mean
bulldozers
are
moving
again
and
you
know
the
problem
was:
nothing
was
going
on
people,
it
was
just
sitting
there,
it's
all
torn
apart,
and
so
so
it's
just
good
to
see.
You
know
people
there
working.
I
guess
at
this
point
the
other
thing
was,
you
know
I
couldn't
agree
more
with
paying
more
money
to
especially
a
certified
lifeguard
at
14
an
hour.
H
I
think
the
pools
for
recreation
are
most
one
of
the
most
important
things
our
city
provides,
so
whatever
we
have
to
pay
them
to
get
them
to
come
in.
I
personally
believe
that
you
know
money
is
the
driving
force
to
incentive
incentivize
people
to
come
to
work
or
go
to
work,
so
whatever
that
dollar
amount
might
look
like
to
get
people
out
of
their
chair
and
in
a
lifeguard
chair
I
would
support.
And
finally,
as
councilwoman
gross
said,
I
appreciate
your
plea
to
all
lifeguards
all
in
any.
H
You
know
so
really,
and-
and
that's
probably
the
best
way
is
just
for
us
to
get
the
word
out
there.
Do
you
actually
have
a
marketing
program
that
you're
kind
of
you
know
zeroing
in
on
be
lifeguards
or
people
who
are
potentials?
Are
we
marketing
it
or
is
it
just
we're
hoping
they
apply
through
what
we
have
online.
O
Council,
we,
we
have
a
pretty
robust
kind
of
social
media
marketing
campaign
kind
of
a
single
driving
force
in
our
department,
sue
lucas-
who
does
a
lot
of
this
in
conjunction
with
the
aquatics
team,
but
they
do
everything
early
on
late
winter,
early
spring
from
visiting
schools
and
posting
flyers
hr
has
had
advertisements
on
the
radio
newspaper
ads.
O
I
think
I
mentioned
last
week
that
last
year
we
ran
ads
on
buses.
I'm
sorry
this
would
be
2019
on
port
authority
buses.
We
kind
of
tried
to
measure
that
we
didn't
think
it
was
hugely
impactful.
But
again
this
is
a
this
recruitment
challenge
was
is
on.
It
was,
is
an
unanticipated
kind
of
problem.
O
It's
not
something
that
we
thought
we
would
be
dealing
with
until
recently,
until
maybe
the
last
four
weeks
or
so
when
it
looked
like
that
typical
ramp
up
an
interest
in
applications,
just
wasn't
happening,
so
we
were
really
budget
conscious
initially,
because
of
the
you
know,
the
2021
budget
that
that
we
all
have
to
kind
of
manage
this
year
and
in
that
those
challenges
or
concerns
became
kind
of
mitigated
in
some
way
when
we
realized
well
we're
just
not
seeing
a
number
of
applicants
and
there's
a
number
of
variables
as
to
why
so,
it
shifted
from
concerns
about
monetary
concerns
to
concerns
about
recruitment.
C
O
Pushing
on
information
on
social
media
and
elsewhere,
we're
trying
to
actively
recruit,
experienced
lifeguards
and
the
team
is
still
working
pretty
hard
to
keep
the
eight
pools
operating.
We've
had
some
issues
with
the
storm
that
came
through
on
sunday
that
a
mud
slide
and
gently
and
power
outage
a
dam
and
those
kinds
of
things
happen
throughout
the
summer,
and
when
you
multiply
the
number
of
pools
that
you
operate,
you
multiply
those
the
number
of
potential
kind
of
risks
and
hazards
and
so
forth.
H
Yeah,
sorry,
sorry,
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
happen
to
think
monetary
and
recruitment
are
one
of
the
same.
You
recruit
with
you
know
a
good
paying
wage.
I
bet
you
if
we
put
that
out
there
for
20
an
hour.
We
would
have
plenty,
but
I
don't
know
so
anyway.
I'd
love
to
see
the
pools
up,
and
I
agree
with
what
everybody
said.
H
This
should
be
a
high
priority
of
ours
to
get
the
ones
that
we
have
on
the
slate
to
you
know,
make
sure
they're
fully
staffed
and
the
right
you
know
trained
people
there.
I
happen
to
think
we.
You
know
we
should
put
it
out
for
more
money.
14
an
hour
is
not
enough,
it's
really
a
great
job.
I
mean
you
sit
there,
you
get
a
free
tan,
you
know
it's
so
anyway.
Okay,
that's
it
thanks!
Thank
you,
director
announcement.
G
A
P
H
H
A
H
A
P
A
F
I
Yes,
so
this
is
a
project
in
my
district
and
I've
been
working
closely
with
the
administration,
also
director
of
pli,
to
to
work
out
something
that
we
can
see
some
emergency
demos
that
have
to
happen
right
now.
Right
now,
I
have
buildings
that
have
barricade
dpw
barricades
around
them
that
need
to
be
that
should
be
taken
down.
I
imagine,
and
also
I'm
aware
of
others.
Everyone
else
on
this
call
likely
has
other
other
council
members
have
buildings
in
the
same
situation.
I
This
project
is
not
going
away.
It
is
on
track,
we're
actually
having
another
design
meeting
here
in
the
next
month.
This
is
something
that
we
have
to
do
now,
so
that
we
can
do
this
demo.
So
we
have
these
pay
paygo
dollars
available
and
been
working
with
the
administration.
We
have
a
commitment
that
these
funds
will
be
replaced
in
this
upcoming
budget,
but
we
have
funds
already.
I
This
is
only
partial,
the
partial
of
the
funds
to
keep
the
project
going
and
I'm
going
to
work
hard
to
fund
the
rest
of
the
project.
So
I'm
in
support
of
this
project,
my
area
and
the
project
does
not
stall
and
have
a
commitment
to
get
this
back
in
the
budget
here.
So
it's
a
you
know,
it's
a
fortunate
situation
that
we
have
to
move
money
like
this.
Definitely
don't
want
to.
I
You
know,
see
this
move
and
try
and
recoup
the
the
funds,
but
you
know
it's
it's
also
very
challenging
times
whenever
you
see
that
you
know
we're
looking
for
funds
to
actually
address
a
public
safety
concern.
So
with
that
said,
I'm
in
support
and
don't
know
no
further
throw
the
comments.
G
Thank
you,
so
I'm
looking
at
so
this
is
1620
just
make
sure
I'm
in
the
right
place.
Looking
at
the
right
dollar
numbers
right
bill
1620
is
the
kelly
recreation,
demolition
and
construction
you'd
be
taking
that
nearly
a
million
dollars
and
moving
it
to
demolish
the
homes.
G
That
are
why
I
was
just
trying
to
follow
kind
of
the
line
and
then
okay,
so
and
then
increasing
by
there
seems
to
be
like
a
oh,
so
you're
increasing
demonition
of
condemned
buildings
by
858,
000
and
increasing
tree
plantings
by
70
000,
and
that's
why
the
numbers
you
add
those
up.
Those
are
the
taking
the
numbers
that
that
adds
up
to
the
928
sixty
567
dollars.
I
G
I
Well,
I
guess
a
few
different
ways.
I
don't
you
know
the
the
current
funds.
The
way
it
is
set
up
right
now
that
some
of
it
is
pago.
Some
of
it
is
bonds.
So
when
we
you
know
this
is
the
pago
dollars
the
pl.
I
already
used
their
1
million
in
paygo
and
this
attempts
to
get
them
up
to
the
2
million
that
they
needed.
I
But
you
know
in
terms
of
the
budget
moving
forward,
we'll
see
where
the
funds
are
chosen,
but
I
imagine
it
could
come
from
several
sources,
especially
with
the
new
money
that
will
be
coming
in.
I
This
is
not
this
isn't.
For
me,
this
is
for
all
of
us,
although,
like
I
went
and
visited,
I
wouldn't
visited
the
few
homes
that
are
in
my
district
and
the
roof
literally
fell
in
yeah
to
several
properties
and
to
let
that
you
know
continue
would
be.
G
I'm
not
saying
that
I'm
not
saying
that.
I'm
saying
that
this
that
strikes
me
that
these
are
places
where
the
community
would
prefer
to
see
a
home
built
right.
So
these
aren't
places
where
we
might
want
open
land
or
right-of-way
or
other
purposes
like
you
know,
there
is
community
support
for
continuing
to
be
a
home,
and
so
these
are
the
types
of
things
that
if
mr
demarco's
right
and
you
could
just
put
a
for
sale,
sign
on
them
and
not
worry
about
taking
them
through
treasure,
sale
and
and
that
kind
of
stuff.
G
But
some
of
these
city-wide,
maybe
in
someone
else's
council
district,
that
the
cost
to
the
taxpayer
of
doing
the
demolition
could
be
it
could
be.
You
know
if
the
speculators
want
property,
let
its
speculator
have
one
of
these
properties
and
bear
the
cost
of
the
demolition,
the
site,
remediation
and
construction.
I'm
just
curious.
G
It
makes
it
makes
me
curious
right,
whereas
in
my
neighborhoods
we're
trying
to
mitigate
speculator
pressure
against
kind
of
community
concerns
and
affordability
concerns,
but
I
know
that
that's
not
true
in
other
council
districts,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
these
these
are
the
kind
of
obvious
if
there
was
a
place
to
experiment
with
mr
demarco's
idea,
it
would
be
in
in
this
kind
of
category.
I
Yeah,
I
disagree.
I
don't
think
that
this
is
the
conversation
more
so
you
know
I
mean
I
can
defer
other
council
members
who
represent
their
neighborhoods,
we're
literally
talking
about
houses
that
have
bricks
in
the
street.
This
is
a
situation
where
it's
dangerous
for
the
residents
next
door.
I
I
you
know
I'm
not
sure
about
your
district,
but
my
district
does
have
a
serious
problem
with
vacant
abandoned
properties.
So
this
is
for
amer
emergency
demolitions.
What
you're
bringing
up
is
a
great
conversation.
That's
what
we
were
talking
about
earlier.
We've
reached
the
point
where
you
know:
we
can't
wait
for
the
property
owner
if
there
is
a
property
owner
or
we
can
find
one
of
the
30
property
owners
that
may
be.
I
You
know
on
the
list
that
we
could
contact
for
this
property
for
them
to
pull
the
permit
to
fix
the
fix
the
roof.
It's
beyond
that
and
I
defer
other
council
members.
I
feel
like
I'm
taking
a
hit
for
the
team
here,
so
I
feel,
like
other
council
members,
could
chime
in
to
talk
about
the
struggles
that
they're
having
their
communities
the
barricades
that
around
these
properties,
I'm
definitely
on
board
to
fix
the
problem
of
vacant
abandoned
properties.
H
Yes,
I'm
also
in
full
support
of
this.
I
myself
purchased
a
couple
condemned
properties
that
were
not
structurally
unsound
and
they're
back
on
market
and
they're
back
up
and
running,
so
just
because
the
property
is
condemned
does
not
mean
that
it
needs
to
come
down.
However,
I
also
have
like
councilman
wilson
properties
that
are
basically
falling
into
the
street,
and
it's
not
even
about
just
the
property.
It's
the
the
house
or
the
chimney
falling
down.
H
You
know
on
to
somebody
on
to
our
property,
so
so
I
do
feel
there's
a
great
need
for
demo
only
in
those
cases,
of
course,
but
if
a
house
could
be
salvageable
and
councilman
gross
you
mentioned
you
know,
would
somebody
buy
it
with
the
house
on
there?
I
find
it
very
hard
to
make
the
plea
to
some
developer
or
would-be
homeowner
that
they
don't
want
to
purchase
a
property
with
the
existing
structure
on
there,
because
the
the
red
tape
that
they
have
to
go
through
and
tearing
it
down
and
asbestos
remediation,
and
all
that.
H
So
I
in
my
district
and
trying
to
get
certain
properties
torn
down,
so
they
would
be
marketable.
You
know,
and
if
you
give
somebody
just
a
flat
piece
of
land
and
they
can
start
building,
I
think
it's
much
more
appealing,
however,
if
we
could
find
people
to
buy
them
in
the
condition
there,
and
that
would
be
good
too,
if
they,
if
they
would
take
them
down
so
so
the
cost
doesn't
come
back
on
us.
H
I
just
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
there,
but
I
do
feel
the
need
for
emergency
demo
in
many
cases
for
public
safety
really.
So
that's
all.
C
C
Stipe
is
doing
one
currently
in
several
of
my
neighborhoods,
but
we
also
have
these
properties
have
sat
for
years
and
it's
almost
you
come
in
and
you
see
the
we're
contributing
to
the
blight
in
neighborhoods
and
to
the
depression
in
some
of
these
neighborhoods,
and
I
know
that
what
you're
saying
is
about
them
coming
down,
but
sometimes
some
of
the
residents
want
to
buy
the
property
next
time
for
a
side
yard
so
that
they
can
increase
their
property.
They
just
are
so
tired
of
dealing
with
the
house.
C
Next,
they
don't
even
want
another
house
near
them
and
just
even
the
construction
of
having
them
so
close
in
so
such
close
proximity.
I
think
that
there's
lots
of
places
where
we
could
do
demo
and
lots
of
places
where
we
can
sit
salvage,
some
land
and
and
there's
got
to
be
a
combination.
Councilman
cross
mentioned
earlier.
It's
about
the
whole
land
management
in
the
city
and
I
think
that's
a
conversation
we
have
to
have.
C
I
do
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
I
want
to
say
that
I'm
so
thankful
that
this
money's
going
coming
forward
now,
because
in
our
district
people
waited
decades
for
some
properties
to
come
down
and
honestly,
this
is
not
even
enough.
C
I
think
we
need
to
give
director
kenter
even
more
money
so
that
we're
not
forcing
people
to
live
next
to
a
blight
and-
and
some
I
mean
so
many
things
that
come
with
those
those
properties
are
just-
I
mean
my
heart
breaks
when
I
go
into
the
community,
I
see
them
and
I
I
want
to
take
them
down
myself
and
then
the
county
has
increased.
C
You
know
how
we
have
to
the
rules
and
guidelines
on
how
we
have
to
abate
the
properties
and
abate
the
asbestos,
so
that's
increased
for
the
public
to
know
I
mean
it
used
to
because
it's
around
eight
thousand
dollars
for
an
average
house
now
costs
between
35
and
45
000
for
an
average
home
to
be
demoed,
because
we
have
to
debate
this
asbestos
differently.
They
have
emergency
demo,
where
they,
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
those
those
cut,
those
the
abatement,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
just
increased
our
cost
tremendously.
C
So
it's
it's
really
causing
a
lot
of
problems
in
the
communities,
and
so
I
feel
so
sorry
for
the
residents
living
next
to
it,
and-
and
I'm
thankful
that
the
administration's
putting
this
funding
forward
and
that
they'll
see
some
relief,
but
I
think
that
we
need
to
look
into
additional
funds
to
make
sure
we're
just
addressing
this
issue
across
the
city
in
a
better
way.
Thank
you.
M
So,
mr
chair,
forgive
me
my
phone's
blowing
up
today
and
I
apologize
for
coming
and
going.
Are
we
still
on
the
demolition
piece?
Yeah,
I'm
happy
to
vote
in
support.
M
I
will
support
today,
but
once
again,
just
want
to
put
it
out
there
for
us
to
be
mindful
of
what
a
broad
discussion,
demolition
really
is
and
to
reinforce
comments
made
by
the
chair,
cosmic
lavelle
about
and
even
councilwoman
gross
and
myself
that
at
time,
preservation
is
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
I
constantly
strive
to
strike
a
balance,
especially
in
hilltop
neighborhoods,
where
nobody,
but
nobody
wants
to
see
us
come
in
and
just
demolish
a
neighborhood
and
that
there
are
plenty
of
plenty
of
properties
that
are
ripe
for
preservation
and
and
the
that
demolition
really
is
a
balancing
act.
M
Having
said
that,
I
have
properties
that
you
know.
People
would
like
to
tar
and
feather
me
over
because
they
haven't
been
demoed
yet
that
absolutely
need
to
come
down
no
matter
what
so
I
just
put
that
out
there
to
say
that
I'm
working
with
brush
and
bob
about
a
much
broader
conversation
about
land
land
use
throughout
the
city.
M
In
a
number
of
different
ways-
and
just
I
just
want
council
to
be
mindful
of
that-
this
really
is
a
really
broad
conversation
and
most
likely,
I
will
take
that
post
agenda
into
a
series
of
of
different
facets
of
of
land
management
throughout
the
city
and
the
different
challenges
that
we
face
there.
So,
thanks
for
your
time,
mr
chair
appreciate
you.
G
Thank
you.
I
do
want
to
just
acknowledge
that
we've
saved
before,
but
we
can't.
I
think
we
can
always
repeat
that
there
are
such
drastically
different
markets
throughout
city
neighborhoods
right,
so
we
have
hyper
invested
neighborhoods
like
many
of
the
ones
that
I
represent
and
under
invested
and
disinvested
neighborhoods
all
in
the
same
city
and
it's
you
know
it's
council's
job.
G
Wouldn't
it
be
nice
if
we
didn't
allow
one
more
house
to
get
to
the
position
that
it
was
that
that
immediate
public
safety
hazard
that
we
needed
to
fix
yesterday,
because
it's
going
to
be
a
danger.
It
is
an
imminent
danger
to
people,
and
I
think
that
we
could
at
least
start
striving
for
that
right,
so
that
the
house
that
is
maybe
condemned
but
self-salvageable
like
councilman
coghill,
was
saying
some
can
be,
you
know,
bought
and
and
restored.
G
We
don't
allow
those
to
become
the
house
that
councilman
wilson
is
like
no.
We
need
to
take
it
down
immediately
like
this
minute.
That's
not!
Let's
what
can
we
do
better
to
not
allow
these
houses
to
have
to
be
taken
down?
I
think
I
think
that's
a
place
where
we
we
should
and
can't
take
action
so
I'll
just
leave
it
there
and
we
have
lots
of
work
to
do
around
this
issue.
Thank
you,
councilman
krause,
for
your
contributions
too.
I
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
recognize
the
need
for
preservation.
I
just
wanted
to
elaborate
more
on
what
our
emergency
demolition
did.
Since
I
had
a
large
structure,
literally
almost
explode
explode
into
the
street
last
year.
It
was
a
church
and
we
didn't
know
about
that.
There
weren't,
you
know
this
was
a
church
and
there
was
a
large
beam.
It
seems
to
be.
There
was
a
work
going
on
on
the
beam
and
then
that
dislodged-
and
literally
I
mean
it-
was
on
the
news
and
everything
it
exploded
into
the
street.
I
This
is
something-
and
it
was
a
large
conversation
after
that,
like
how
do
we
protect
our
historic
structures
like
this?
How
do
we
protect
our
historic?
You
know,
churches,
you
know,
properties
that
are,
you
know,
been
around
houses
that
have
been
around
for
150
years
that
have
these
ornate.
You
know
details
to
them,
you
know
how
do
we
preserve
them,
but
we
actually
don't
some
of
this.
I
We
know
what
we're
gonna
spend
the
money
on,
but
we
don't
know
what
the
next
like
tragedy
is
gonna
happen
within
a
neighborhood
where
they
have
to
just
like
this
church.
They
have
to
show
up
blind
to
show
up
and
the
very
next
morning
or
that
day,
they're,
I'm
not
sure
the
terms
but
they're
meeting
with
the
people
who
are
going
to
do
the
the
emergency
demo.
You
know
the
contractors
that
are
coming
on
site
and
they
can
get
the
bid.
So
to
turn
this.
I
You
know
to
have
these
funds
available
for
them
to
do.
That
is
critical
to
us
like
maintaining
safety
within
the
city,
and
so
we
you
know
ultimately
we
have.
We
may
have
some
on
the
books
that
we
know
that
there's
you
know
bricks
in
the
street.
Dpw
has
the
the
horses
around
the
house,
and
you
know
it's.
You
know
they're
not
going
to
do
a
an
asbestos
inspection.
I
You
know
they're
just
going
straight
and
they
have
they
have
to
take
it
down
because
of
because
of
safety,
but
there's
structures
out
there
that
we
may
not
know
about
that.
There
will
be,
you
know
a
collapse
and
we
have
to
remediate
that
situation.
I
So
with
that
said,
I
just
want
to
talk
more
about
what
emergency
demolition
means
in
terms
of.
We
may
actually
not
know
what
this
money
will
be
spent
on
some
of
it.
You
know
it
could
be
like
500
grand
where
it's
still
left
over,
where
we
need
that
for
the
next
property
that
may
have
work
being
done
on
it
that
doesn't
pull
a
permit,
doesn't
have
the
right
architect
and
it
just
collapses
when
they're
in
construction
or
when
they're,
you
know
everyone's
left
the
job
site.
So
anyway
enough
said,
thank
you
all.
H
I'll
be
brief,
just
in
summing
things
up,
I
do
believe
there
are
a
lot
of
condemned
properties
that
can
be.
You
know,
remodeled
and
rehabbed.
There
are
a
lot
also
that
can't
be
and
won't
be.
It's
a
case-by-case.
H
You
know
basis,
you
know
it
has
to
be
evaluated
and
if
it's
deemed
unsafe
and
it's
going
to
cost
more
money
to
try
to
fix
the
place
than
to
keep
the
shell,
then
obviously
it
comes
down
should
come
down.
Councilman,
mchale
smith,
you
know,
mentioned
side,
yard
programs
they're
very
popular
in
my
neighborhood.
You
know
people
increases
the
value
of
everybody's
property
on
that
street,
just
to
have
nice
little
green
space
there
or,
if
you
overtake,
take
it
over
as
part
of
your
yard
but
going
forward
yeah,
it's
a
case-by-case.
H
You
know
situation.
I
do
believe
in
district
seven
councilman,
gross's
district.
I
think
I
could
sell
a
house
coming
fallen
down
and
people
will
buy
it
because
the
land
is
so.
You
know
sought
after
there
and
they'll
take
that
they'll
make
that
effort
to
remove
that
house
themselves.
In
my
area.
I
think
people
were
just
like
no,
I
don't
want
to
have
to
deal
with,
removing
the
house
so
and-
and
I
think
councilman
gross
pointing
out
each
district
is
so
different
and
you
know
we
have
different.
H
You
know
homes
different
housing
stock
and
you
know
so
obviously,
though,
if
a
place
is
deemed
in
good
shape,
the
roof's
in
good
shape
and
the
foundation's
there,
you
know
it's
best
to
put
that
on
the
market,
but
I'm
referring
to
mostly
properties
that
I
just
know
will
cost
more
to
rehab
and
that's
really
what
it
comes
down
to.
Is
it
going
to
cost
more
for
them
to
rehab
than
it
is
to
build
or
just
make
it
a
side
yard?
So,
okay,
yeah.
I
look
forward
to
having
this
conversation.
K
H
C
H
Of
work
continues
to
flood
last
week.
It
was
like
a
raging
river.
I
mean
it
was
scary
that
the
way
that
creek
gets-
and
it
goes
to
you
know
more
development
upstream
and
more
water
coming
downstream
is
really,
I
think
you
know
not
only
the
the
amount
of
rain
that
we
got
but
continues
to
be.
A
problem
is
going
to
be
a
problem.
I
just
didn't
know
what
this
project
was
for,
where
it
was
for.
I
know,
they're
doing
work
along
there.
Yeah.
C
I
have
someone
in
my
staff
attends
the
meetings,
but
I
do
know
but
but
I
did
I
do
not
know
specifically,
which
part
of
this
project
it's
for,
but
I
know
that
you
and
I
both
know
that
that
entire
quarter
needs
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
fun
to
get
a
lot
of
help.
E
About
it,
yeah
yeah,
yeah,
hello,
I'm
conor
ricks,
I'm
the
director
of
the
department
of
mobility
and
infrastructure,
indeed
sawmill
run
needs
a
lot
of
work.
That
is
not
what
this
warrant
is
for.
However,
this
warrant
is
actually
for
work
that
was
done
by
the
army
corps
of
engineers
back
in
the
work
was
completed
back
in
1999..
E
This
is
a
very
old
project
for
which
we
had
a
local
obligation
to
pay
for
some
aspects
of
the
work
that
was
never
cleared.
We
didn't
kind
of
close
the
books
on
this
project.
E
The
army
corps
has
come
back
now
and
and
is
requiring
us
to
complete
that
or
it
will
put
in
jeopardy.
If
we
fail
to
kind
of
close
out
that
project
it
will
put
in
jeopardy
their
work
and
their
participation
in
some
of
those
ongoing
projects
that
we're
working
on
today
and
there's
a
range
of
different
projects
that
we're
working
on
today.
So
this
is
really
just
a
a
clean
up,
accounting
of
a
very
old
project
that,
frankly,
we
didn't.
C
Mute
sorry,
just
real
briefly
director
I
just
want
to
also
ask
I
know:
we've
had
some
projects
done
with
craftonborough
and
and
other
boroughs
around
us,
and
I
believe
that
there
was
some
money
owed
to
us
from
some
of
those.
I
just
want.
I'm
not
sure
if
we're
collecting
on
some
of
those
projects
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
on
your
radar.
C
M
Good
good
to
see
you
just
publicly
want
to
acknowledge
and
thank
you
for
your
quick
response
sunday
night
to
this
slide
at
18,
to
crossman,
really
appreciate
the
effort
and
energy
that
you
put
forward
the
department
forward,
tommy
joyce,
put
forward.
I
understand
it's,
it's
stabilized
and
cleaned
up.
M
I
did
get
one
call
this
morning
from
a
gentleman
wondering
if
there
was
a
bigger
plan
that
might
unfold
for
that,
and
perhaps
maybe
you
and
I
could
take
that
offline
and
maybe
talk
a
little
bit
later
today,
so
that
I
can
keep
residents
up
to
speed
as
to
where
we
go
from
here.
E
Sure
we
have
not
been
able
to
do
a
thorough
assessment
of
that.
But
that's
you
know,
as
it
just
occurred
on
sunday
night,
but
we're
we're
out
there
now
that
it's
dried
out
a
little
bit
well.
M
A
F
A
A
F
F
E
M
C
I
actually
just
thought:
maybe
we
should
hold
it
for
one
week.
That's
what
I
was
going
to
say.
I
just
want
to
hold
it
for
one
week
till
we
work
through
some
of
these
concerns,
but
what
I
am
trying
to
do
is
this
the
piece
for
the
rental
fees,
where
the
residents
pay
a
lesser
fee
if
they're
city
residents,
so
I
think
that
the
office
asked
if
they
could.
C
A
F
M
A
All
those
in
favor
say
aye
all
right
in
the
oppose
it
will
be
held
six
weeks.
Our
last
bill
of
the
day
bill
1576.
F
A
Oh
cute,
sorry,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
aye
any
oppose
recommended
that
exhaust
our
agenda.
For
today
I
do
have
some
meeting
announcements.
Council
will
hold
a
cable
cast
public
hearing
this
afternoon
at
1
00
pm
on
bill
1465,
as
it
relates
to
renaming
the
fountain
and
allegheny
commons
to
the
fischer
reagan,
rooney
memorial
fountain
to
register
to
speak.
Please
fill
out
the
sign
up
form
on
council
meeting
webpage
by
11
am
today.
A
You
may
also
register
by
calling
412-255-2138
council
will
meet
next
tuesday,
wednesday
june
22nd
and
23rd
at
10
a.m,
for
the
regular
extending
community
meetings
respectively
to
register
for
next
week's
council
meetings
fill
out
the
sign
up
form
on
the
council.
Meeting
webpage
by
9
am
tuesday
and
wednesday
for
regular
standing
committee
meetings.
You
may
also
register
by
calling
412-255-2138
city
residents
and
stakeholders
are
invited
to
share
their
input
on
the
city's
20
2022
operating
in
capital
budgets
by
taking
surveys
either
online
at
www.engage.pittsburghpa.gov
2022
or
by
calling
311..
A
C
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
real
briefly
just
say
the
bills
that
I
had
today
for
the
parks
one
was
to
for
the
park
shelters
so
that
city
residents,
who
are
now
paying
a
park
tax
pay
less
for
a
fee,
and
this
is
the
women's
caucus
decided
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
their
our
residents
were
getting
something
for
the
money
that
they're
paying
the
additional
fee
that
they're
paying.
C
So
we
want
to
give
them
a
reduced
fee
and
we
want
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
rent
the
facilities
prior
to
anybody
else
across
the
county
or
whomever,
so
that
our
city
residents
have
priority
a
lot
of
times.
I
boarded
the
most
boroughs
in
in
you
know
our
district
borders,
the
most
photos
than
any
other
district,
and
I
work
really
well
with
our
boroughs.
But
I
have
to
be
honest.
There
are
times
when
we
have
issues
to
work
through
and
some
of
them
around
the
parks
where
our
residents
are
treated
different.
O
C
And
we
got
that
signed
down,
but
but
I
do
want
to
say
it's
been
challenging
sometimes,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
our
residents
are
respected
and
feel
some
some
benefit
to
to
paying
the
additional
tax
for
the
parks,
and
this
is
one
way
that
we
can
show
some
priority
to
our
residents
is
by
allowing
them
to
rent
the
facilities
first
and
have
the
first
dip
bids
on
them
and
to
get
to
do
so
at
a
leicester
class,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
women's
caucus
and
now
council
men
krause
for
working
with
us
on
those.