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A
Welcome
everyone:
this
is
the
budget
hearing
for
department
of
permanence
licenses
and
inspections
for
november
18th
2021
we're
gonna
go
over
the
2022
council,
I'm
sorry
city
pittsburgh
budget.
We
will
cover
the
capital
and
operating
within
the
department.
A
A
I
also
have
with
me
mike
strelik
our
budget
director
assistant
director
yeah
budget
guy,
so
I
think
typically
we
start
out
with
with
an
overview
so
mike.
If
you
could
go
through
that
with
us.
That'd
be
great.
Today's.
B
Pli,
it's
the
mission
of
the
department
of
permits
licenses
and
inspections
to
improve
the
safety
and
quality
of
life
for
residents
of
the
city
of
pittsburgh
through
the
administration
enforcement
of
the
building
code,
zoning
code,
the
regulation
of
contractor
and
trade
licenses
and
various
business
licenses
as
prescribed
by
the
city
code.
Pli
is
three
divisions,
constructions,
operations
and
licensing
and
administration.
B
As
of
the
third
quarter
report,
pli
had
76
of
their
87
possession
positions
filled
for
the
2022
budget.
It's
proposed
that
they
have
a
total
budget
of
seven
million,
two
hundred
and
fifty
six
thousand
six
hundred
and
fifty
dollars.
That's
an
increase
of
fifteen
percent
they're
proposed
to
have
ninety
full-time
positions
next
year.
That's
an
increase
of
three.
The
three
are
all
stormwater
construction
inspector
positions,
the
only
other
change
of
note,
slight
increase
for
some
of
the
assistant
directors.
B
They
have
4.5
million
dollars
in
the
capital
budget
for
remediation
of
condemned
building.
You
know
I
try
to
compare
the
2022
budget
to
prior
year
budget.
The
4.5
million
is
both
more
and
less
than
yes
last
year's
budget.
It
was
more
than
the
the
january
budget,
but
less
than
the
august
budget
that
included
the
the
federal
arp
dollars.
B
Pli
has
a
handful
of
trust
funds.
The
demo
trust
fund
is
down
to
about
61
000,
their
records,
storage
technology
and
operations.
Trust
fund
has
238
thousand
dollars
in
it.
The
code
trust
fund
has
forty
seven
thousand
dollars
and
the
one
stop
permitting
technology
trust
fund
was
just
approved
by
council
a
month
ago,
so
has
no
activity
yet,
in
addition
to
the
expenses
budgeted
for
2022,
the
department
of
permits
and
licenses
also
has
a
lot
of
revenue
related
to
permits
and
licenses.
B
I
think
almost
70
per
permits
and
licenses
they'll
plan
to
collect
next
year
based
on
the
fee
book
that
was
introduced
last
week
and
we
anticipate
collecting
8.7
million
dollars
from
those
various
permits,
licenses
and
fees
if
we
could
turn
it
over
to
the
director.
I
believe
she
has
a
presentation
for
council.
A
All
right,
yes,
thank
you,
mr
strelik,
so
director
kinter
thanks
for
thanks
for
everything
you
do
I'll,
allow
whatever
you
know,
not
sure
if
you
have
a
presentation
but
any
corrections,
additions
comments.
You
know
I
always
like
the
slide
of
how
many
permits
have
been
issued
and
how
it
went
closed
and
I
really
like
that
slot.
C
Thank
you
councilman.
I
do
have
a
presentation
if
I
may,
for
council
share
our
work
in
the
last
year
and
what's
to
come
in
2022.
A
Oh
director,
I
just
wanted
to
make
one
that
we
were
joined
by
councilman
coghill.
So
thanks
for
joining
us,
hi.
C
C
The
city's
budget
supports
the
critical
work
of
pli
to
improve
the
quality
and
ensure
the
safety
of
the
built
environment
in
our
city
for
the
public
that
may
be
watching
at
home.
I
like
to
take
any
opportunity
that
I
have
to
talk
about
what
pli
does
and
what
your
tax
dollars
pay
for
when
they
go
to
pli
this
next
organizational
chart.
It
gives
you
a
sense
of
scale
of
the
department
and
I
think
it's
helpful
in
understanding
the
division
of
duties
in
the
department
as
well.
C
C
There
are
two
things
I
like
to
stress
about:
pli,
one,
that
there
is
a
tremendous
volume
of
work,
so
we've
focused
on
adopting
operations
that
can
meet
that
volume
with
success
in
the
last
few
years
and
two
that
our
staff
has
a
very
high
degree
of
technical
expertise
to
appropriately
administer
and
enforce
the
codes.
Nearly
every
pli
employee
that
you
see
here
in
the
chart
has
passed
examinations
to
onboard
and
we're
obligated
to
obtain
continuing
education
to
maintain
those
certifications
and
our
expertise.
C
So
a
quick
review,
starting
on
the
left
in
the
orange
of
the
red,
is
our
operations
division,
which
focuses
on
code
enforcement.
Those
include
operations,
inspectors
who
pass
the
property
maintenance
code,
exam
and
inspect
for
property
maintenance
and
zoning
compliance
and
select
business
license.
Compliance
called
out
in
the
code
in
the
red
is
our
fire
and
life
safety
inspectors
who
obtain
the
international
fire
code
and
national
fire
protection
agency,
certifications
to
inspect
high
occupancy
structures
and
ensure
that
the
the
annual
and
quarterly
maintenance
and
testing
requirements
of
fire
and
life
safety
systems
are
met.
C
Pli
is
responsible
for
demolishing
eminently
dangerous
and
unsafe
structures
in
the
city
as
a
matter
of
public
safety
moving
into
the
middle
and
the
blue
section
is
our
licensing
and
administration
unit
which
really
supports
the
full
department.
Our
clerical
staff
work
to
send
out
requests
for
compliance
letters
to
ensure
proper
noticing
of
code
violations
in
the
city.
They
maintain
our
departmental
records.
They
respond
to
hundreds
of
right
to
know,
requests
and
handle
court
scheduling
for
the
department.
C
This
unit
also
includes
application
technicians
who
serve
as
the
public's
first
point
of
contact
in
customer
service
for
pli.
They
intake
all
city
planning
and
pli
applications
and
assess
whether
or
not
they
belong
in
a
review
queue.
They
pass
a
permit
technician
exam
to
board.
We
also
have
a
smattering
of
non-union
roles
in
this
division
that
help
support
our
technology
efforts
and
systems.
Our
ongoing
record
retention
projects,
revenue
collection,
personnel
equipment
needs,
continuing
education,
management,
etc.
C
This
unit
has
been
key
in
helping
the
department
digitize
our
legacy
documents,
so
that
we
can
truly
be
a
paperless
department.
In
the
last
two
and
a
half
years,
our
office
has
worked
to
digitize
over
1.5
million
historic
records
from
microfiche,
microfilm
and
paper
and
reduce
our
physical
space.
Footprint
needs
meet
requirements
to
maintain
construction,
permitting
documentation
for
the
life
of
a
building
and
work
towards
making
historic
information
more
accessible
to
the
public
where
permissible.
So
a
lot
of
heroic
work
from
that
unit,
then
moving
over
to
the
green
is
our
construction
division.
C
This
includes
our
plans,
examination
team
made
up
of
architects
and
engineers
that
ensure
that
the
life
safety
compliance
requirements
are
met
under
the
construction
code.
They
pass
a
minimum
of
12
exams
onboard
to
their
job
pertaining
to
building
energy,
fire
electrical
accessibility
and
mechanical
code
requirements.
Plans.
Examiners
also
serve
as
our
on-call
staff
after
office
hours.
C
This
unit
is
expected
to
see
an
increase
of
three
stormwater
inspectors
under
the
current
2022
budget
proposal
to
support
the
adoption
of
the
updated
title,
13
stormwater
code
passed
by
city
council,
this
last
fall.
Those
positions
will
help
pli
fulfill
its
role
in
that
code
to
ensure
the
safe
installation
and
compliance
of
stormwater
systems
on
private
parcels.
C
Again,
these
are
the
inspectors
that
enforce
the
property,
maintenance,
zoning
fire
and
life
safety,
maintenance
and
business
licensing
codes,
and
we
received
last
year
just
over
15
000
complaints
through
three
one,
one
and
self-initiated
four
thousand
cases
of
issues
that
we
found
while
we're
out
in
the
field
conducting
business
in
a
year's
time.
This
unit
has
completed
over
thirty
five
thousand
inspections
related
to
those
complaints.
C
This
is,
of
course,
a
bit
of
a
decrease
from
last
year
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
One
we
had
two
fewer
inspectors
in
this
division
until
we
received
arp
relief
this
summer,
but
also
the
decrease
can
be
attributed
to
in
part
operational
efficiency
that
we've
worked
on
in
the
last
year
in
our
old
code
enforcement
system.
Each
new
complaint
would
have
its
own
case
file
to
close
out,
even
if
it
was
duplicative
of
another
investigation
that
was
already
occurring.
This
would
lead
to
confusion
from
the
public
and
for
staff.
C
Now
the
public
can
know
whether
an
inspector
issued
a
violation
or
not,
and
why
of
those
inspections
that
do
result
in
a
violation
65
of
the
time
the
violations
are
corrected
and
abated
before
we
get
to
court.
Another
feature
of
the
the
updated
code
enforcement
system
in
the
last
year
is
recording
court
outcomes,
we're
still
digging
into
this
data
to
track
dispositions
on
whether
cases
were
closed
as
guilty,
not
guilty,
dismissed
because
courts
were
closed
from
november
2020
through
april
2021.
Thereabouts.
C
The
data
is
not
a
great
indicator
of
trends
just
yet
so
we're
looking
forward
to
a
year
of
data
with
the
course
open.
Since
may,
we
are
keeping
an
eye
out
on
dismiss
case
outcomes
as
well.
Usually,
this
means
that
the
court
and
pli
could
not
track
down
a
responsible
agent
to
abate
the
violations
on
the
property,
and
our
data
shows
that
these
dead-end
cases
by
far
take
up
most
of
pli's
time
and
our
nuisance
properties.
That
neighbors
complain
about.
C
In
the
last
year,
we've
begun
addressing
these
properties
through
a
programmatic
inspection
process.
The
goal
is
to
track
dead-end
properties
in
a
separate
listing,
which
we
now
do,
and
annually
research
them
for
a
responsible
agent
and
proactively
inspect
to
send
these
structures
to
dpw
for
board
up
or
for
clean
and
lean
before
the
complaints
come
in
and
we've
begun
doing
that
mr
strelik
had
mentioned
a
tool
that
was
added
about
five
thousand
dollars.
C
That
tool
is
a
owner
search
tool
that
we
use
as
part
of
this
dead,
end
property
searching
process
that
we've
adopted
and
we
use
programmatic
inspections
to
list
and
continuously
inspect
our
high
occupancy
buildings
for
fire
and
life.
Safety
requirements,
condemn
structures
and
this
dead
end
property
list.
C
Different
neighborhoods
have
different
code
enforcement
compliance
challenges.
When
you
take
away
weeds
and
debris
complaints,
you
can
see
here
that
different
built
environments,
compliance
needs
are
are
different
right
in
different
neighborhoods
in
the
red
we
see
building
maintenance,
complaints,
primarily
in
the
blue.
We
see
mostly
building
without
in
the
green.
We
see
the
most
vacant
property
complaints
and
these
can
serve
as
indicators
of
the
health
of
the
built
environment.
C
We
also
recognize
that
there
are
more
factors
in
addition
to
the
structural
health
of
a
building
that
should
be
taken
into
account.
So
we
did
work
this
last
year
with
the
department
of
city
planning
to
launch
a
condemned
property
feedback
tool
on
engage
pgh,
and
over
the
summer
we
began
gathering
comments
for
the
from
the
public.
C
We've
also
looked
at
ways
to
perform
the
highest
quality
demolitions
by
pursuing
a
deconstruction
demolition
approach
to
save
elements
of
structures
for
reuse
and
lessen
our
environmental
impact,
with
council's
help
we're
engaging
in
a
pilot
program
with
construction,
junction
and
we'll
begin
deconstruction
demolitions
of
eligible
city-owned
properties.
This
spring
2022.
C
So,
given
our
high
volume
of
work
across
all
divisions,
pli
has
a
strong
focus
on
operational
and
technology
improvements.
Our
technology
improvements
into
the
one-stop
pgh
platform
have
allowed
pli
to
adopt
consistent
and
transparent
workflows
and
our
permitting
licensing
and
code
enforcement
operations
and,
as
you
know,
one
stop.
Pgh
is
our
one:
stop
shop
for
all
development
applications
in
the
city,
including
pli,
the
department
of
city
planning,
the
department
of
mobility
and
infrastructure
and
the
fire
bureau.
C
As
of
may
2020,
all
pli
employees
are
now
working
in
the
same
system.
We
can
all
see
our
departmental
operations
in
one
system.
One-Stop
pgh
is
also
very
much
a
work
in
progress.
We
got
through
the
launch
of
each
module
and
we
have
a
working
system,
but
we
also
this
year
created
a
road
map
of
enhancements
and
upgrades
to
roll
out
for
staff
and
customers,
as
we
continue
to
work
to
streamline
the
development
process
internally
and
with
our
sister
agencies.
The
goal
is
continual
improvement.
C
With
council's
help,
we
did
pass
a
dedicated
trust
fund
to
support
the
continual
growth
of
the
system
in
the
future.
We've
had
a
lot
of
customers
who
are
super
users
of
the
system
and
some
customers
that
might
use
the
system
once
and
then
move
on,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
requests
for
features
that
would
make
customers
lives
easier
and
more
streamlined
when
they
interface
with
the
system.
C
All
right,
so
it's
important
to
give
a
sense
of
scale
of
pli's
permit
volume,
our
application
technicians,
those
staff
that
are
on
the
front
line
of
customer
service,
performed
almost
50
000
application
actions
in
the
last
year
on
behalf
of
pli
and
city
planning,
and
they
take
in
thousands
of
calls
and
chats
annually
in
raw
numbers
that
we
can
capture.
When
we
look
at
number
of
plan
reviews
number
of
inspections,
phone
calls
coming
in
number
of
chats.
C
Pli
staff
has
tens
of
thousands
of
customer
and
citizen
interactions
annually,
and
those
are
just
the
interactions
that
we
can
account
for
numerically
using
the
one
stop
pgh
system
or
systems
that
we
have
access
to.
That
doesn't
account
for
additional
conversations
at
the
job
site.
A
quick
phone
call
email
correspondence
which
we
know
we
have
in
large
volumes.
C
C
The
volume
of
review
has
re,
remained
relatively
stable
annually
over
the
years
hovering
at
about
nine
to
ten
thousand
reviews,
we've
committed
to
service
level
agreements
with
our
customers
so
that
they
can
depend
on
a
complete
review
consistently
every
time
for
commercial
projects.
We
have
a
30-day
review
for
residential
projects.
C
We
have
a
50-day
review
and
by
and
large
we
provide
an
initial
response
about
two
working
weeks
faster
than
our
service
level
agreement,
and
we
meet
our
review
times,
99.9
percent
of
the
time
our
goal
in
plan
review
is
to
be
transparent
about
what
we're
reviewing
for.
On
that
front.
The
plan
review
team
has
worked
this
last
year
to
publish
our
plan
review
checklist
for
the
public.
These
are
the
list
of
requirements
that
our
internal
staff
use
to
review
for
code
compliance
and
they're
available
on
our
website.
C
C
One
highlight
of
the
one-stop
pgh
system
is
that
permit
holders
receive
an
inspection
report
after
every
inspection.
That
includes
a
checklist
of
what
pli
inspected
for
and
the
pass
or
failed
determination
of
each
item.
Again,
we
want
to
be
transparent
about
what
we're
looking
for
in
the
field
and
that
transparency
appears
to
be
paying
off,
because
we
have
a
higher
passing
rate
of
inspections
for
our
customers
and
better
efficiency
for
pli
to
go
out
and
complete
inspections.
So
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
one.
C
Related
to
the
permitting
process,
pli
also
runs
a
licensing
program
to
ensure
that
permits
are
obtained
by
contractors
and
trade
license
holders
who
are
qualified
and
are
connected
to
businesses
that
pay
their
taxes
and
have
proper
insurances
to
do
work
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
and
we
see
a
steady
population
of
about
900
general
contractors
licensed
in
the
city
and
a
number
of
trade
license
holders
each
year.
That
has
remained
fairly
consistent.
C
The
bigger
picture
pli
has
annually
issued
10
000
permits
there
are
about
since
2015,
and
you
can
see
here.
We
took
a
hit
to
volume
in
2020
when
we
experienced
a
construction
shutdown
for
a
few
months,
but
we
see
growth
again
this
year.
So
far
in
2021,
we've
issued
8
700
permits
and
we're
on
track
to
issue
just
a
little
less
than
10
000.
By
year's
end
construction
activity
in
the
city
remains
strong.
C
When
we
look
at
the
reported
value
of
construction
of
the
permitted
jobs
in
the
city,
we
see
the
similar
trend.
We
currently
have
about
1.2
billion
dollars
of
permitted
work
in
newly
permitted
issues.
I'm
sorry
newly
issued
permits
occurring
so
far
in
2021
and
we
project
that
we'll
get
just
over
the
1.4
billion
mark
by
year's
end.
C
So
in
the
last
year,
pli
has
continued
to
make
our
permitting
processes
more
transparent
and
accessible
to
customers
to
provide
the
best
level
of
service
to
the
most
amount
of
people.
We've
adopted
policies
and
systems
to
make
our
code
enforcement
more
efficient
and
robust.
We've
adopted
internal
policies
to
ensure
that
our
department
meets
national,
best
practices
of
building
departments
and
we
have
more
exciting
goals
and
improvements
coming
in
2022.
C
We
look
forward
to
seeking
accreditation
as
a
building
department
in
2022
through
the
international
accreditation
services
program.
When
we
look
at
the
program,
requirements
and
specifications
of
accreditation,
we
find
that
pli
meets
the
highest
standards
in
our
operations,
policies,
services
and
technical
capabilities
across
the
board,
and
we
are
ready
to
prove
so
through
accreditation.
C
We've
listened
to
customer
feedback
and
we've
made
adjustments
to
our
amendment
process
effective
january
2022,
so
that
customers
can
pay
a
nominal
fee
to
switch
to
a
different
trade
or
contractor
license
holder
or
change
the
scope
of
their
job.
We
listen
to
customer
feedback
and
are
exploring
options
to
have
efficient
meetings
with
applicants
to
review
projects
with
a
fair
fee
to
cover
those
services.
C
We're
excited
to
move
into
412
boulevard
of
the
allies
this
spring
and
to
reopen
our
one-stop
pgh
counter
to
our
customers
in
a
building
that
can
meet
our
needs
with
our
sister
agencies
alongside
us,
and
we
are,
of
course,
gearing
up
to
enforce
and
administer
the
rental
registration
program.
This
may
2022
to
ensure
that
renters
live
in
safe
housing
in
the
city.
C
A
Thank
you
director.
I
think
you
you've
definitely
shown
a
few
slides
that
are
right
up
my
alley.
We
showed
the
one
the
one
with
all
the
permits
and
all
those
other
graphs.
All
those
other
graphs
you
showed
were
were
a
nice
yeah.
Let's
just
leave
one
of
the
other
ones
up,
maybe
in
the
background
and
I'm
kidding,
those
additional
graphs
are
great.
I
want
to
you
know
before
I
turn
over
to
council
members.
A
I
just
wanted
to
you
know
I'll,
ask
my
questions
at
the
end,
but
I
just
want
to
say
you
know
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you're
doing.
I
worked
closely
with
you
on
a
lot
of
different
things
throughout
the
past
couple
years.
A
Just
want
to
thank
you
for
all
the
effort
that
you
put
in
as
the
director
becoming
a
new
mother
managing
that
I
just
want
to
recognize
that,
because,
as
a
as
I
watch,
my
wife
try
and
juggle
what
she's
doing
with
her
full-time
position,
you're
right
in
the
same
same
boat.
So
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
Thank
you
all
right.
Let's
turn
it
over
to
members
we're
going
to
start
with
councilman
coghill.
D
D
So
you
know
first,
I
wanted
to
ask
you
this.
You
know
when
we
do
commercial
and
residential.
Do
you
have
two
different
teams,
one
that
does
commercial
permits
and
one
that
does
residential
or
is
it
just
a
big
mishmash.
D
D
Right
so
so
I
really
like
that
personal
person-to-person
contact,
but
I
was
always
the
one
that
get
caught
behind
the
guy:
that's
building
a
skyscraper,
you
know
and
he's
rolling
out
his
plans
and
I'm
trying
to
build
a
deck
yeah.
So
so
you
know,
first
and
foremost,
I
want
to
tell
you
the
most
important
thing
for
me
as
a
director
is
you're,
responding
to
my
calls.
Okay
and
you
cover
that
in
spades.
I
gotta
tell
you,
there's
no
director
as
good
as
you.
D
As
far
as
that
goes
and,
as
you
know,
I
have
many
issues,
whether
it's
my
personal
issues
or
constituents.
So
I
really
appreciate
that
and
that
to
me
is
the
best
qualification
that
you
can
have.
However,
you
know
there
are
some
issues
I
have
with
pli.
You
know,
as
far
as
you
know,
the
one
stop
I
understand,
you
know
that's
easy.
It
prevents
people
coming
from
to
town,
but
I
find
a
large
amount
of
people
who
are
just
looking
to
replace
a
couple
windows
or
something
like
that.
D
They
just
want
to
go
talk
to
somebody.
How
much
do
I
owe
you
and
be
out
of
there?
I
don't
want
to
lose
that
personal
touch.
I've
even
suggested
satellite
offices.
I
would
love
to
have
a
satellite
office
in
my
district,
where
people
can
just
go
and
get
whatever
issues
they
have
or
would
point
them
in
the
right
direction
rather
than
go
through
to
one
stop.
Not
everybody
is
even
has
a
computer
still
believe
it
or
not.
So
so
I
would
love
to
see
that
you
know
I've.
D
Well,
that's
important
to
me
and
also
phone
calls.
You
know
I
I
understand
through
covert
things.
Were
you
know
a
little
bit
different,
a
little
sketchy.
However,
you
know
from
your
office.
I
got
a
lot
of
calls
saying
I
can't
get
anybody
to
answer
the
phone,
not
once
twice
dozens
of
times
and
even
myself
for
whether
it's
lisa
or
somebody
taking
care
of
my
own
personal
stuff.
It's
like
we
answer
the
phone
from
one
to
two
on
two
days
a
week.
You
know
I
mean
how
much
does
it
cost
to
have?
Somebody
answer
the
phone.
D
I
think
people
really
need
to
hear
a
voice
at
the
end
of
the
line
and
if
you
have
to
walk
them
through
to
one
stop
or
whatever
you
have
to
do,
it's
just
that
contact
when
they
they
get
so
frustrated
when
they
can't
talk
to
somebody
and
we're
counting
on
this
one
stop
to
take
care
of
everybody's
solutions,
but
it
doesn't
you
know
so
so
I
I
hope
we
can
address
that.
You
know
moving
forward.
I
hope
we
can
have
somebody
answer
the
phone
consistently.
I
really
do.
C
C
The
one
stop
pgh
system
is
a
workflow
tool
and
it's
been
helpful
in
ensuring
safe
and
remote
interactions,
but
you're
absolutely
right.
That's
a
missing
element
to
not
have
the
counter
open,
and
we
are
very
much
looking
forward
to
reopening
in
412
boulevard
of
the
allies
where
we
can
have
pli
zoning
domi,
all
in
one
location
to
resolve
development
needs
as
they
come
in.
D
Okay,
that's
good
to
hear
and
and
hear
me
out
on
this
okay.
This
happened
by
accident
in
my
district
and
you-
and
I
have
talked
about
this
many
times
I
have.
I
don't
even
know
how
many
numbers
of
properties
that
are
privately
privately
owned,
but
abandoned
okay,
many
of
these
places.
You
know,
we
call
you
and
we
come
out,
and
we
cite
them
usually
when
we
cite
them
they're
in
new
york
somewhere,
you
know
across
the
country
they
ignore
it.
D
They
don't
take
care
of
the
problem,
so
we
so
what
we
do,
then
is
cite
them
again
and
the
same
you
know.
Non-Productive
cycle
goes
on
and
on
now
I
stumbled
across
this.
This
happened
by
accident,
and
this
is
something
I
think
that
we
can
coordinate
with
the
land
bank,
and
I
wanted
to
talk
to.
You
know
councilman
wilson,
about
this
as
well.
D
So
again,
it's
not
city-owned
properties.
In
my
district
that
I
have
a
major
problem
with
that
are
abandoned
or
falling
down,
it
are
the
it
is
the
privately
owned
ones.
Now.
What
are
the
conditions
for
us
to
condemn
a
building?
Do
they
have
to
be
unsafe?
Do
we
have
to
come
out
and
say
this
is
not
safe
or
is
it
unsafe,
just
by
sitting
there
with
the
doors
hanging
off
and
the
windows
open.
C
D
D
That's
that's
good
and
let
me
just
tell
you
about
you
know
how
I
stumbled
across
this
okay.
So
I'm
at
a
community
meeting
up
in
brookline,
30
or
so
neighbors.
Are
there
right,
there's
a
house
across
the
street.
It
wasn't
about
this
house.
We
were
there
on
a
different
subject,
but
you
know,
as
I'm
walking
out
you
know.
The
group
of
people
said
in
this
house
over
here
right,
it's
privately
owned.
I
you
know
it's
been
sitting
there
for
five
years,
at
least
no
attention
given
to
it.
I
think
we
boarded
it
up.
D
I
think
I
guess
we
have
that
right
to
go
boarded
up
when
the
windows
are
busted
or
missing.
So
I
had
mentioned
to
those
people
and
they
knew
this
owner.
They
had
contacts
with
him.
He
did
live
in
the
area,
so
he
just
didn't
do
anything
with
it.
I
wasn't
willing
to
do
anything
with
him.
So
in
talking
to
these
people
I
said:
well,
listen!
Here's!
What
we'll
do!
I
said
we'll
get
this
condemned,
I
said
and
once
it's
condemned,
then
we
have
the
right
to
tear
it
down.
D
C
So
we
reserve
the
demolition
of
structures
for
the
most
unsafe
and
when
something
is
structurally
square,
we're
we're
not
putting
those
on
the
list
to
demolish
it.
Our
hope
is
that
we
can
get
those
back
into
productive
use.
Let
the
land
bank
know
you
know,
take
some
other
means.
D
Right,
so
let
me
just
tell
you
my
point
is
I
agree
with
you:
we
don't
want
to
tear
down
other
people's
homes
and
put
a
lien
on
the
property
long
messy
process,
but
I
will
tell
you
word
got
back
to
this
homeowner
that
councilman
coghill
was
going
to
have
a
blue
sticker
slapped
on
this,
and
then
it
is
at
our
purview
to
tear
it
on.
If
we
so
please
well,
you
know
what
within
a
week
it
was
sold
honest
to
god
and
the
neighbors
called
me.
They
were
thrilled
and
one
neighbor
in
particular
said.
D
I
called
him
and
I
told
him
that
councilman
coghill
is
going
to
have
your
house
torn
down
again,
I'm
not
in
the
business
of
trying
to
tear
down
all
the
private
properties
we
have
enough
of
our
own.
But
this
is
a
serious
tool
and
I
found
it
to
be
very
effective
by
accident.
When
people
know
they
have
that
property
sitting
there.
D
You
know
it's
not
going
to
depreciate
once
the
roof
falls
in
of
course,
then
it's
a
problem
for
them,
but
in
order
for
them
to
act
on
it
for
us
to
just
be
able
to
have
that,
stick
to
say
hey
now
we
can
tear
this
thing
down,
I
believe
scares
them
and
they
don't
want
to
lose
the
profit.
You
know
it
really
hits
them
in
the
in
in
the
pocketbook
more
than
anything
so
in
working,
I
think,
with
the
land
bank
and
with
you,
because
you're
the
department
that
you
know
issues
the
condemnations.
D
This
is
a
valuable
tool.
I
found
just
in
this
one
instance
and
I've
been
using
it
out
there
as
well
on
my
own
personal
levels,
with
people
who
have
houses
sitting
there,
and
I
it's
not
a
threat.
It's
just
the
fact
that
if
we
deem
it
unsafe
and
we
put
a
blue
sticker
on
it,
we
may
knock
it
down
and
and
then
we're
gonna
put
a
lien
on
the
property
for
the
sixty
thousand
dollars
that
takes
for
us
to
remove
it.
So
we
don't
lose
any
money
on
it.
D
Of
course,
we
don't
get
it
paid
up
front
on
it,
but
at
least
we're
not
going
through
this
chain
of
citing
them
the
neighbors
calling
me
citing
them
again,
then
the
neighbors
calling
me
I
just
feel
like.
We
should
use
this
as
a
tool
in
some
way
and
let
them
know
that
guess
what
your
house
has
been
condemned
and
it
is
now
under
threat
to
be
torn
down
and
here's
what's
going
to
happen
when
we
tear
it
down
we're
going
to
put
a
lien
on
the
property.
D
So
not
only
do
they
lose
their
structure
and
they
lose
half
at
least
two-thirds
of
what
that
property
value
is
worth.
But
you
know
they're
they're
going
to
have
a
60,
000
dollar
lien
on
the
property.
If
once
we
knock
it
down-
and
you
know,
I
find
they
act
on
it
or
they
want
to
act
on
it
and
they're
like
yeah.
You
know
what
we've
been
sitting
on
it:
we've
gotten
the
citations,
they
ignore
them,
they
ignore
them,
but
the
minute
we
say
we
can
knock
this
place
down.
They
move.
D
C
You
know
we
are
trying
to
be
real
about
what
we
can
actually
demolish,
given
the
monies
that
we
have-
and
you
know
I'd
be
I'd,
be
concerned
about
throwing
out
empty
threats,
but
I,
but
I
do
understand
where
you're
coming
from
and
especially
where
your
community
is
coming
from
when
they
see
these
properties
that
are
sitting
they're,
abandoned
they're
not
being
taken
care
of
sometimes
folks,
especially
neighbors,
know
who
the
contact
person
is
and
they've
decided
that
you
know
they're
not
going
to
come
to
court
they're
just
going
to
pay
a
small,
fine
and
they're
going
to
keep
going
through
these
code
enforcement
cycles.
C
So
I
agree
that
it's
absolutely
frustrating
but
be
happy
to
talk
through
with
you.
Maybe
some
other
solutions,
especially
as
the
land
bank
gets
up
and
running
you
know
our
goal
is,
is
your
goal,
which
is
I
want
to
see
this
condemn
property
list
get
smaller,
you
know
it's
1900
condemned
properties
is
too
much.
So
how
do
we
get
them?
Get
this
list
to
be
smaller.
You
know
we
got
to
work
with
the
land
bank
here
to
get
these
back
into
productive
use,
so
happy
to
engage
with
you
on
that.
D
C
D
Yeah,
I
would
think
so
that's
why
you
know-
and
it's
believe
me
if
it's
my
business,
I'm
catering
to
the
people
who
are
paying
more
money.
First,
that's
just
the
way
business
works
and
most
times
and
those
are
the
bigger
projects,
and
that's
where
I
feel
like
the
the
the
the
person
building
it
wanted
to
put
a
deck
on
their
house
or
put
in
that
same
lineup,
and
you
know.
D
Obviously
it
takes
a
lot
longer
to
process
a
permit
when
you're
building
mercy,
hospital
or
the
new
optics
or
mercy
hospital
than
it
does
for
somebody
has
a
deck.
That's
why
I'd
love
to
see
you
know
whether
it's
satellite
office
or
separated,
where
you
have
somebody
you
know
taking
care
of
the
high-end
stuff
and
somebody
taking
care
of
the
people,
the
residents
who
are
just
trying
to
get
a
new
window
or
or
a
deck.
C
I
appreciate
the
comment
I
think
you
know
in
terms
of
operational
efficiency.
We've
really
tried
to
make
sure
all
of
our
staff
have
the
appropriate
certifications
to
handle
all
applications
come
in
because
we
just
we
just
have
such
a
high
volume
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
assign
tasks
appropriately.
C
C
They
make
their
drawings
online
they're.
Already
digital
they're
ready
to
submit
them
online
and
they're
into
that
that
business
process.
It
really
will
be
the
residential
customers
that
will
be
coming
to
the
counter
because
they
generally
have
more
questions
about
the
process
might
be
the
first
time
they've
ever
engaged
with
pli
or
got
a
permit.
C
D
Yep,
I
can
see
that
and
and
of
the
1900
condemned
properties
that
we
have
just
to
guesstimation
what
would
be
city
owned
and
privately
owned.
D
Yep
see
which
goes
back
to
what
I'm
saying
to
get
these
people
to
move
on
these
properties,
I'm
not
saying
threat,
it's
that's
the
wrong
word,
I'm
saying
put
them
through
the
process,
and
once
we
put
that
blue
sticker
on
that
house,
they
are
liable
to
lose
that
house
and
that's
the
way
to
move
them.
You
know,
otherwise
they
just,
I
think,
toss
our
citations
away,
especially
if
they
live
out
of
state.
D
Right
and
to
be
clear,
I'm
not
looking
to
tear
these
privately
owned
houses
down
unless
they're
not
acting
on
them.
You
know
we
give
them
a
certain
time
span,
but
yeah
a
lot.
Many
of
them
could
be
used
for
that.
I
think
if
we
push
the
right
buttons,
they
will
be
willing
to
sell
because
they
don't
want
the
headaches
of
us,
maybe
knocking
it
down,
and
they
don't
want
to
more
importantly,
they
don't
lose
the
money
that's
invested
there
or
that
they
think
they're
sitting
on
you
tear
the
house
down.
D
They
lose
two
thirds
of
the
property,
put
a
lien
on
the
property
for
tearing
it
down.
They
lose
their
everything.
So
that's
where
we
hit
them.
I
believe
I'd
love
to
see
it.
Go
that
way.
Councilman
wilson,
let's
work
on
the
land
banking
and
try
to
pursue
that,
because
it's
a
major
problem
for
me
I'll
tell
you,
but
that's
it
for
me.
Thank
you,
director
kinter.
You
know,
I
think,
you're
great.
I
think
you
do
a
great
job
other
than
you
know
these
policies
and
things
that
I
have
questions
about.
D
A
A
chat
feature
we
use
that
we
use
it
quite
frequently.
I
don't
know
if
some
of
your
residents
might
like
that
it's
pretty
nice.
D
C
If
they're
having
trouble
uploading
a
document,
we
can
help
them
upload
a
document
to
submit
the
application.
It's
a
really
popular
tool.
We
answer,
I
think
it's
around
50
chats
a
day
with
you
know,
staff,
that's
very
knowledgeable
about
the
permitting
process.
D
E
D
C
Yeah
I
mean
we,
we
are
answering
calls
that
are
coming
in
and
then
scheduling
calls
to
go
out
so
yeah
and
those
are
it's
all
the
same
folks.
It's
all
application
technicians
that
are
answering
you
know
every
point
of
customer
contact.
That's
coming
in,
so
yes
they
would.
They
would
do
that
through
chat.
F
F
Thank
you,
and
I
think
that
just
this
conversation
about
the
housing
really
highlights
the
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
paying
attention
when
the
magistrate
seats
come
up
for
election,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
people
that
think
that
doing
nothing
is
a
good
answer
for
being
a
magistrate
that
sometimes
you
need
somebody
who's
going
to
actually
do
something
to
help
benefit
residents
that
are
living
next
to
some
of
these
you
know
horrible
properties,
but
I-
but
I
do
want
to
say
that
I
heard
your
comments
about
how
many
permits
were
issued,
and
I
think
that's
that's
great,
but
what
I
didn't
hear
you
say
is
how
many
are
pending.
F
What
is
the
wait
period?
Typically,
are
you
seeing
similar
similarities
with
some
of
the
apartments
that
why
people
may
be
waiting?
Is
there
some
area
that
maybe
we
are
people
struggle
with
that?
Maybe
we
can
change
or
adapt
a
little
bit,
because
we,
I
have
a
lot
of
people,
complain
that
the
length
of
time
and
almost
every
time
I
call
dan
gilman
or
you
about
it.
It's
usually
somebody
having
a
difficult
time
with
the
process
or
not.
C
Sure
so,
on
the
commercial
side,
we
usually
we
have
that
19
day
review
period
is
our
our
average
review
period
and
that's
business
days,
and
usually
commercial
permits
are
going
through
about
one
to
one
and
a
half
reviews
the
second
review
period
being
about
seven
days.
So
you
know
it's
gonna.
It
takes
about
25
business
days
to
get
through
a
commercial
permit.
It
takes
about
15
business
days
to
get
through
a
residential
permit.
C
Where
we're
seeing,
I
think
pain
points
is,
in
the
first
submission,
a
just
making
sure
that
people
are
working
with
a
design
professional.
Sometimes
we
see
submissions
and
they
say:
hey,
I'm
doing
a
minor
alterations.
This
doesn't
need
drawings
or
design
professional,
and
then
the
inspector
gets
out
there
and
we
realize
that
they're
actually
changing
the
use
and
zoning
needs
approval
or
they're
making
structural
changes
and
really
this
needs
to
go
through
a
permit
review
and
it
needs
a
design
professional.
C
So
we've
seen
those
as
pain
points,
and
I
will
say
that
you
know
it's
a
there's
a
barrier
to
entry
to
engage
in
the
permitting
process
and
that's
a
pain
point
too.
We
need
a
more
programmatic
approach
and
assistance
connecting
folks
to
design
professionals
to
meet
needs
of
of
applicants
for
small
business
professionals.
C
You
know
they
are
sometimes
surprised
at
the
code
requirements
and
what's
required
and
they
they
really
need
to
be
relying
on
design
professional
to
help
with
the
application
process
in
terms
of
permits
that
are
currently
pending.
I
don't
have
the
number
off
the
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
can
certainly
provide
that
number
to
you.
That's
something
we
can
run
a
report
on.
C
C
Other
pain
points
have
been
exterior
factors,
so
getting
contractors
signed
up
has
taken
some
time.
Contractors
are
backed
up
because
supplies
and
materials
are
backed
up,
so
there's
been
sort
of
a
chain
reaction
where
someone
will
start
a
permit,
they'll
be
going
through
the
review
process
and
then
it'll
pause
for
quite
a
long
period
of
time,
because
they're
waiting
for
other
items
to
clear
up
before
they
move
forward
with
the
project
or
to
decide
whether
or
not
to
move
forward
with
the
project.
F
Okay
and
then
I
I
heard
you
make
well
there's
a
couple
of
points
you
want
to
make.
Is
that
I'd
like
to
see
us
coordinate
with
the
magistrates
office,
the
housing
opportunity
fund,
so
when
people
are
coming
in
there,
that
we
have
somebody
knowledgeable
and
giving
information
about
what
the
city
has
to
offer
to
help
people
fix
up
their
homes
to
that
one,
they
are
actually
fixing
up
their
homes
and
and
the
their
neighbors
aren't
having
to
live
next
to
property.
F
That's
you
know
falling
apart
or
dangerous,
or
anything
like
that,
but
the
other
part
is
to
also
keep
them
in
their
homes
to
make
them
safer
for
them.
So
I
think
it'd
be
great
to
have
those
those
coordinations
that
that
those
efforts
coordinate
a
little
bit
better
with
the
magistrates-
and
I
know
we've
talked
about
it
before
for
the
housing
opportunity
fund,
but
I
don't
know
that
we've
actually
actually
implemented
something.
F
So
I
think
it
would
be
really
great
to
make
sure
we're
doing
that,
but
I
do
want
to
say
that
I
think
the
when
we're
talking
about
the
permits
I
have
the
jasmine
nyeree
campus
has
been
waiting
about
a
year
for
a
permit
and
so
and
that
she's
not
unique
in
my
district.
I
get
a
lot
of
phone
calls
about
it,
but
then
she
had
to
hire
a
professional
to
come
in
at.
F
I
think,
75
000,
which
we
helped
with
funding
to
get
this
place
up
and
running,
and
yet
we
still
are
waiting
for
this
place.
This
place
could
be
helping
kids
and
it's,
and
I'm
not
even
certain
at
what
part
the
permit
process
and
what
she's
waiting
for
at
this
point,
because
it
has
been
so
time
consuming,
convoluted
and
just
very
cumbersome
for
for
anyone
and
I'm
thinking,
especially
when
we're
doing
something
with
a
non-profit,
that's
doing
something
in
the
community.
We
should
have
different
roles.
F
Different
guidelines,
make
it
easier
somebody
that
we
assigned
to
work
with
them
to
help
them
do
the
things
that
we
need
them
to
do
in
the
community.
So
I
just
would.
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
that
that's
a
huge
concern
to
me
about.
You
know
the
length
of
time
it
takes
to
get
some
of
these
permits
for
some
things
that
we
can
almost
lose
projects
over,
because
people
can't
wait
and
they're,
not
all
under
peonies.
Some
of
the
permits
are
from
different
places.
F
But
the
other
thing
is
when
councilman
coghill
mentioned
about
the
properties
that
are
vacant
and
and
falling
apart
and
dilapidated
a
lot
years
ago,
this
council
we
adopted,
I
think
it
was
act
90
and
we
had
the
right
to
extradite
absentee
landlords
back
to
the
city
of
pittsburgh
to
base
housing
court.
I
have
not
seen
it
used.
I
think
one
time
in
all
the
years
was
it
used.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
status
is
of
that
and
and
why
we're
not
doing
it.
F
If
it's
the
state's
law,
we're
able
to
do
it,
we
incorporate
it
into
our
code.
We
are
able
to
do
it.
So
any
you
know
reason
to
not
do
it
to
me
is
unconscionable,
because
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do
there's
a
lot
that
was
included
in
that
there
was
a
lot
of
answers,
a
lot
of
solutions
and
that's
why
this
council
voted
for
it.
But
yet
I
don't
see
it
implemented.
Could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
C
Yeah,
apologies
councilwoman.
I
am
not
well
too
familiar
with
that,
but
happy
to
connect
with
the
law
department
and
see
any
additional
steps
that
we
can
take.
I
would
absolutely
support
the
ability
to
drag
folks
to
the
court
process.
C
It's
a
pain
point
you
know
finding
out
who
they
are
as
a
pain
point
and
getting
them
to
the
courts
is
another
one.
So
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
compel
people
to
come
to
these
criminal
matters,
then
I
would
absolutely
support
doing
more
on
that
front.
F
So
I
I'll
be
honest.
I
introduced
it
after
I
went
to
a
seminar
where
other
cities
and
other
municipalities
in
pennsylvania
were
using
it
and
and
working
well
for
them.
So
I
made
sure
I
brought
it
back
to
council
when
council
had
council
voted
easily
for
it,
but
I've
only
heard
of
one
case
where
it
was
happening
so
and
you
were
not
around
then
so
I'll
be
honest.
F
We've
never
had
the
opportunity
to
really
talk
about
it,
but
I'd
love
to
see
us
do
something
more
with
that,
because
if
it's
working
other
places,
I
don't
know
why
we're
just
not
doing
it
here.
So
thank
you
director
for
all
your
work.
F
I
think
everyone's
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
continually
because
in
the
next
few
years,
because
you
have
done
a
lot
to
work
with
us,
so
thank
you
very
much,
but
I
I
like
councilman
coghill
and
also
like
to
see
us
do
more
in
terms
of
answering
the
phones
around
here,
not
just
in
this
department
but
every
department.
I
think
people
have
gotten
used
to
getting
a
voicemail
or
just
giving
up
and
not
not
following
through.
F
They
just
call
3-1-1,
and
I
think
that
that
might
be
okay
for
some
people,
but
we
have
a
responsibility
to
the
to
the
public
and
we
all
have
cell
phones
that
we
use
that
the
public
pays
for,
and
so
I'd
like
to
see
us
once
and
I'll
use
them
and
answer
them
a
little
bit
more
often
for
the
public.
I
feel
like
it's
that's
who
we
work,
for
we
can't
forget
that
and
lose
sight
of
that,
and
not
just
this
department,
but
that
this
is
true
of
a
lot
of
the
departments
around
here.
F
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
do
a
little
bit
better
in
making
sure
people
are
reaching,
because
that's
where
the
frustration
comes
in,
they
can't
reach.
They
can't
reach
the
elected
official.
They
can't
reach
the
p
the
department
head.
They
can't
reach
any.
They
can't
even
get
a
receptionist
or
somebody
to
answer
the
phone
or
return
a
phone
call.
So
I
think
it's
frustrating
to
people
so
I'd
like
to
see
us
do
I'll
do
better,
including
myself
in
that
area
understood.
Thank
you
councilwoman.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
thank
you
director,
kinter
for
being
here
and
for
just
wanted
to
echo
what
others
have
said
for
all
that
you
do
and
your
department
does
you
all
work
incredibly
hard
and
have
a
demanding
job
that
you
that
I
appreciate
your
responsiveness.
I
appreciate
just
all
the
work
that
you
do.
Thank
you
the
volume,
the
volume
of
work
that
you're
handling
I
wanted
to.
I
think
this
is
a
theme
that's
running
through
many
of
our
comments.
G
Councilman
coghill,
I
really
agreed
with
a
lot
of
what
he
of
what
he
noted
and
what
he
suggested
around
having
having
just
a
person
who
can
help
walk
the
average
person
through
a
project
when
it
comes
to
construction
permitting
and
it's
great
to
know
about
the
chat
feature,
that's
something
that
we
can
help
to
disseminate
out
to
the
public
as
they
need
it,
and
you
know
make
sure
that
it's
part
of
our
our
you
know
bag
of
tools
as
well.
G
But
you
know
more,
I'm
thinking
about
the
pain
points
that
you
mentioned.
There
are
the
people
who,
like
you
say,
if
they're,
maybe
their
first
time,
interacting
with
pli
they're
new
to
this.
If
they
were
to
do
it
three
or
four
or
five
times,
they
would
know
exactly
kind
of
what
to
do
and
maybe
know
to
hire
the
design
professional.
G
It
also
strikes
me
that
it's
not
only
pli,
who
is
their
first
touch
right,
like
some
people
are
going
first
to
zoning.
Some
people
are
first,
are
going
to
maybe
domi
or
they're
just
many
departments
that
they're
interacting
with,
but
I
think
oftentimes,
it's
pli
who
they're
they're
interacting
with
first.
G
So
I
I
understand
that
there's
a
huge
volume
of
calls-
and
I
wanted
to
ask
you
if,
if
you
were
to,
if
you
were
to
staff
up
enough
to
have
the
positions
available,
to
be
able
to
answer
every
phone
call
as
it
came
in,
do
you
have
an
estimate
of
how
many
staff
that
would
take.
C
That
is
a
great
question.
I
do
not
have
an
estimate
off
the
top,
but
certainly
can
come
in
with
one.
You
know
I.
I
also
think
that
again
reopening
the
counter
and
having
that
one
stop.
The
purpose
of
the
one
stop
shop
is
that,
regardless
of
what
you're
applying
for
there's
someone
to
interface
with
and
reopening
the
counter
is
really
going
to
relieve
some
pain
points.
C
But
it
is
true
that
the
volume
of
chats
and
emails
and
calls
that
are
coming
in
you
know,
there's
not
enough
time
in
the
day
for
application
technicians
to
make
sure
that
we
meet
our
service
level
agreements
to
get
an
application
into
a
queue
and
answer
every
customer
service
inquiry.
That's
coming
in,
and
you
know
frankly,
when
we
are
looking
at
managing
that
volume,
you
know
we
have
an
obligation
to
get
those
applications
into
queue,
so
that
will
take
precedence
over
answering
a
phone
when
we're
overburdened.
C
G
And
I'd
like
to
see-
and
I
think
you're
right-
I
mean
we'll
see
what
happens
with
the
situation
with
the
opening
of
the
in-person
counter,
and
I'd
really
like
to
follow
up
this
time
next
year
at
this
budget
hearing
to
to
see,
if
we're
in
the
same
place
and
even
before
before
then
to
be
able
to
kind
of
come
back
on
an
interim
basis
and
track
that,
because
I
would
like
to
provide
you
with
a
budget
that
has
the
the
personnel
that
you
need.
G
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
largest
priorities
of
this
in
the
city,
and
I
want
pli
to
have
the
staff
that
it
needs
both
on
the
inspection
end,
but
also
on
the
app
you
know:
application
tech,
tech
end,
but
also
you
know
in
in
other
in
other
parts
of
divisions
of
the
department
as
well.
G
In
addition
again,
this
might
be
solved
in
part
by
the
opening
of
the
in-person
one-stop
shop,
but
it
strikes
me
that
some
of
the
pain
points
aren't
with
pli
necessarily
but
they're
with
the
coordination
among
different
departments,
and
so,
if
I'm
a
person
who's
going
through
a
pretty
or
even
a
design
professional
who
is
maybe
new
to
working
with
the
city
and
knows
what
I'm
doing
but
is
new
to
this
process
here.
G
If
there
was
a
position
or
two
as
an
ombudsman
to
be
able
to
hold
their
hand
through
the
process
for
the
first
time
throughout
the
different
departments,
it
might
not
be
pli's
responsibility
to
do
that.
I
mean
I'm
sure
your
staff
do
that
as
well
and
kind
of
help
to
coach
them
along
the
process.
But
if
there
was
someone
who
kind
of
represented
all
those
departments
that
they
might
touch,
okay,
now
like
they
could
look
at
the
project.
G
They
could
walk
them
through
the
process
of
all
the
different
steps
they're
going
to
have
to
take,
they
would
say
on
the
front
end,
it
looks
like
you
need
to.
You
know
tweak
this.
Do
this
talk
to
this
person?
First,
so
that
you
don't
get
into
a
situation
where
you've
submitted
a
permit,
it's
incorrect.
You
have
to
wait
another
15
days
or
30
days
and
not
just
for
pli,
but
for
domi,
if
that's
necessary
for
zoning
and
planning,
if
that's
necessary.
G
So
again,
we'll
see
what
happens
with
this
one-stop
shop,
but
I'd
really
be
interested
in
revisiting
that
as
an
idea
or
I'd
like
to
just
open
it
up
to
you
if
you've
seen
best
practices
from
other
places,
other
cities
that
might
be
similar
to
that
but
would
fit
for
pittsburgh.
C
Thanks
for
the
question,
I
think
one
thing
that
we've
heard
when
we
have
conversations
with
the
aia
and
mba
and
especially
for
bigger
projects,
is
an
interesting
meeting
with
pli
up
front
and
having
sort
of
a
pre-application
meeting
and
that's
something
that
we
want
to
get
to
accommodating
with.
But
we
acknowledge
that
it
would
pull
staff
away
from
you
know
doing
other
items
in
their
queue,
and
so
we
need
to
have
appropriate
fees
for
that
type
of
service.
C
So,
in
this
recent
fee
book
that
was
submitted
to
council
in
the
last
two
weeks,
we
did
a
look
to
adopt
a
meeting
fee
to
help
with
this
process
and
we
think
that
that
will
help
alleviate
some
pain
and
help
us
to
your
point,
direct
folks
into
the
different
types
of
applications
that
we
need
that
are
needed,
and
on
that
front
you
know.
Pli
is
often
you
know
the
final,
the
final
gatekeeper
right.
So
we
are
the
ones
that
are
saying
you
need
your
zoning
approval.
C
You
need
your
domy
approval
before
you
can
get
this
permit
in
hand,
and
we
we
often
play
that
role,
and
these
meetings
might
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
provide
that
guidance
up
front
when
we
have
a
full
understanding
of
the
work
scope
that
someone
will
be
submitting
for.
So
we
want
to
build
proper
rules
around
those
types
of
meetings.
C
You
know
what
documentation
would
be
required
at
the
meeting,
understanding
of
the
scope,
understanding
of
the
outcomes
of
the
meeting
and
what
would
be
submitted
so
that
we
can
really
help
to
guide
folks
very
early
in
the
process,
rather
than
waiting
for
this
mission
to
occur,
and
then
saying:
okay,
here's
all
your
revisions
to
respond
to
after
they've,
basically
worked
on
a
product
to
submit.
G
That's
great
to
hear
that
sounds
like
a
terrific
solution,
a
meeting
fee
and
to
be
able
to
fund
the
you
know,
position
or
the
staff
or
or
the
time
necessary
to
be
able
to
yeah
to
do
that
and
again
this
time
next
year,
I'll
be
interested
to
hear
how
that
goes
and
to
hear
some
statistics
about
how
often
it's
utilized
and
if
it
grows
over
the
next
few
years-
and
you
know
if
we
need
to
think
about
other
solutions
above
and
beyond
that,
but
that's
great
that's
great.
G
I
think
that
could
help
a
lot
still
interested
in
this
idea
of
a
an
overarching.
You
know
non-pli,
affiliated
ombudsman
or
something
like
that,
but
I'll
table
that
idea
for
now,
and
let
you
let
you
all,
do
your
jobs
as
you
as
you
are
expert
at
that,
I'm
really
surprised
to
see
on
a
different
topic
that
we
haven't
seen
that
we
have
three
additional
inspectors
for
the
stormwater
portion
of
the
code.
C
To
that
I
I
would
say
that
when
the
budget
was
being
formulated,
there
were
some
items
in
the
court
case
that
were
still
occurring,
but
at
this
point
we've
adopted,
you
know,
we've
we've
done
what
the
judge
has
asked.
We've
adopted
a
fair
fee
for
rental
registration
and
we're
ready
to
enforce
that
in
may
2022..
C
I
am
worried
about
having
appropriate
staffing
to
meet
that
volume.
You
know
the
american
community
survey
2019
said
that
there
were
around,
I
think,
70
000
rental
units
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
You
saw
from
my
slides.
We
did
about
35
000
inspections
last
year
in
the
operation
unit,
so
I
that
is
a
huge
increase
in
volume,
and
so
I
am
very
worried
about
ensuring
that
we
have
appropriate
staff
to
handle
rental
registration
inspections.
G
Okay,
I
think
you've
answered
my
question
there,
we'll
dig
into
that
a
little
bit
more
and
I
realize
I'm
putting
you
on
the
spot
there
and
there
might
be
some
some
things,
you're
able
to
say
due
to
the
court
case
and
sometimes
you're,
maybe
not
able
to
say
so,
we'll
leave
it
there
for
now.
G
I
think
that,
oh,
I
guess
my
other
question
was
of
the
new
inspector
positions
or
with
the
new
inspector
positions.
I
understand
that
is
I
mean
I
we
we
passed,
we
we
saw
and
we
voted
on
the
this
new
stormwater
code
that
has
to
do
with
commercial
and
larger
construction.
G
Will
those
positions
be
flexible
enough
to
accommodate
inspections
that
might
have
that
might
go
along
with
other
types
of
stormwater
related
requirements
that
aren't
necessarily
related
to
this
construction
code
that
we
just
adopted.
C
That's
a
great
question,
so
we
are
setting
up
that
position
to
gain
certification
so
that
they
can
take
on
other
types
of
construction
inspection
work
in
addition
to
the
stormwater
maintenance
code,
but
really
for
small
stormwater
nuisance
problems,
there's
a
hole
in
enforcement
among
the
city,
the
county
and
pwsa,
and
there's
really
no
legislation
that
addresses
those
smaller
types
of
nuisance
problems-
and
you
know
at
this
point
if
someone's
stormwater
is
getting
into
another
from
a
private
parcel,
is
getting
into
another
private
parcel.
C
It's
we
really
say
this
is
you
know
a
trespass
issue,
a
civil
issue,
which
is,
you
know,
unsatisfactory
on
a
lot
of
different
fronts,
so
they
will
really.
The
stormwater
inspector
will
really
be
sticking
to
the
stormwater
title:
13
enforcement
in
inspection
and
there's
also
in
that
code,
a
requirement
to
do
this.
Post
construction
inspection
on
a
one
three
and
five
year.
C
Scale
of
stuff
developments
that
have
already
been
built,
so
I
think
they're
going
to
have
their
hands
full
with
storm
water,
but
they'll
also
have
some
certifications
to
pick
up
on
energy
and
accessibility
and
other
types
of
building
code
requirements
in
other
permits.
C
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question,
so
if
someone
was
to
install
a
rainwater
on
a
private
parcel,
that's
you
know.
Under
this
10
000
square
feet,
threshold
of
the
stormwater
code,
pli
wouldn't
be
reviewing
or
inspecting
for
that
pwsa
would
care
about
the
flows
into
their
utility
system,
but
at
this
time
pli
would
not
require
a
permit,
inspect
or
enforce.
G
C
E
There
it
goes
hello,
hello,
director,
good,
to
see
you
as
always,
so
this
has
already
been
a
lengthy
discussion,
but
I
do
want
to
just
highlight
a
couple
of
things
that
have
been
said,
but
to
put
you
know
to
emphasize
we
talked
about.
I
think
I
I'm
surprised
that
for
years
now
we
haven't
seen
an
increase
in
personnel
in
your
department,
and
I
kind
of
I've
been
saying
this
every
year,
even
before
you
were
a
director
you're,
really,
the
employment
in
the
department
has
stayed
flat
while
permits
have
just
skyrocketed.
E
So
you've
made
a
good
presentation
today
and
again,
forgive
me
from
switching
from
zoom
screen
to
zoom
screen
I'll
try
to
stay
on
this
one.
So
it
looks
like
I'm
looking
at
you,
I'm
looking
at
you
in
both
places,
but
that
you
have
increased
tremendously
in
the
eight
years
that
I've
been
on
council
at
pli.
E
It's
been
a
tremendous
amount
of
construction
activity
that
you
all
are
keeping
up
with,
and
I
am
in
favor
of
adding
personnel
to
your
department,
and
I
did
fail
to
do
so,
but
attempted
to
do
so
last
year
during
budget
season
and,
additionally,
this
the
level
of
inspections
that
are
increasing.
I
we
really
appreciate
that
work
that
is
incredibly
valuable
work.
We
know
that
that
is
part
of
the
problem,
with
the
safety
and
livability
of
conditions
that
are
especially
our
poorest
neighbors
are
facing.
E
You
see
it
in
the
headlines.
We
have
repeated
problems
with
unlivable
conditions
in
housing
units
and
that
we,
you
have,
and
and
city
council
on
the
mayor's
office,
has
put
years
now
into
to
asserting
our
jurisdiction
to
doing
those
inspections.
E
We
are
eager
to
see
this
start
and
I
appreciate
it,
but
that
needs
to
be
staffed
and
and
and
just
a
word
of
thanks
also
for
putting
in
more
than
a
year
now
of
work
with
the
coalition
of
council
members
and,
let's
say,
if
allegheny,
to
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
do,
in
addition,
lead
inspections
to
protect
our
children
against
lead
poisoning.
E
But
having
said
that,
I
also
want
to
add
capacity
to
your
department,
because
we,
I
do
think
we
are
still
not
serving
both
our
small
property
owners,
residential
property
owners,
but
our
small
business
operators
and
I've
said
this
to
you
privately.
I've
said
it
you
know
for
years,
and
I
really
appreciate
your
willingness
to
talk
about
it.
E
E
So,
yes,
we've
talked
about
ombudsman's
before
we've
talked
about
the
fact
that
it's
unfortunate
that
city
council
staff
have
to
perform
that
function.
It's
it's
one
of
our
core
constituent
cases
in
my
office,
so
it's
not
just
residential.
E
It's
not
just
new
construction
and
all
the
hazards
that
come
with
that
in
the
community
meetings
and
the
amount
of
community
work.
That
goes
into
that
small
business
complaints
are
a
solid
third
of
the
case
work
in
my
council
office,
and
I
think
that
is
embedded
and
I've
said
this
to
you
before.
So
I'm
just
saying
it
publicly.
E
I
want
to
say
this
too
and
to
the
record
while
you're
here,
even
though
I'm
not
asking
you
a
question,
I
want
to
say
that
pli
not
only
pli
but
also
city
planning
and
also
parks
and
rec,
and
also
are
the
kinds
of
investments
that
I
heard
people
protesting
for
for
six
months
last
year,
that
they
want
investments
in
community
and
that
means
safe
housing.
We
need
pli,
for
that.
Does
that
mean
new,
affordable
housing?
We
need
pli,
for
that.
Does
that
mean
locally
owned
businesses?
We
need
pli,
for
that.
E
So
does
that
mean
you
know
doing
the
regulatory
work
so
that
we
don't
have
landlords
abusing
tenants?
We
need
pli
for
that,
so
we
I
believe
that
your
work
is
critically
important
for
the
call
to
action
that
we've
heard
from
for
reinvesting
in
communities
reinvesting
in
our
own
people
reinvesting
in
pittsburgh
neighborhoods.
E
So
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
do
want
to
see
more
positions
that
can
do
that
casework
for
people
who
don't
have
like
a
councilman
smith's
organization
that
is
a
non-profit
that's
trying
to
provide
social
services.
It
had
doesn't
have
really
the
seventy
thousand
dollars
to
spend
spend
on
a
design
professional.
Sometimes
it's
merely
parking
pads.
E
We
had
to
work
with
a
whole
street
in
lawrenceville
that
all
got
cited
on
the
same
day
for
having
meeting
occupancy
permits
for
parking
pads,
and
each
of
one
of
the
residents
of
the
same
alley
would
have
been
forced
to
get
site,
designs,
site
plants
and
pay
for
that.
So
that
was
that
was
you
know
before
your
time
as
many
years
ago
now,
but
that
we
are
holding
our
citizens
up
to
standards
without
supporting
them
to
meet
those
standards.
E
E
E
E
I
kind
of
put
a
a
kind
of
rough
number
of
about
four
billion
dollars
in
the
last
three
years
in
new
construction,
and
you
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
property
taxes
being
collected
on
those
properties,
but
at
the
eight
mills
that
we
should
be
collecting
off
of
those
now
constructed
properties
worth
four
billion
dollars.
We
should
have
seen
an
additional
32
million
dollars
in
property
in
real
estate
tax
and
we
haven't.
E
So
thank
you
for
sharing
that
information,
and
it's
going
to
be,
I
think,
really
useful
in
our
conversations
with
other
departments
about
how
we
are
or
are
not
valuing
properties
and
accurately
collecting
the
taxes
that
the
residents
deserve
from
those
properties.
I
appreciate
that
all
right,
I'm
going
to
stop
I'm
going
to
stop
there.
Mr
chair,
thank
you.
A
No
problem,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you
a
question:
we
keep
talking
about
the
amount
of
workers.
What.
D
C
The
the
lowest,
so
we
have
a
series
of
different
job
specs
in
pli.
We
have.
C
We
do
yeah,
our
clerical
staff
receive
less
than
than
twenty
dollars
an
hour.
I
would
have
to
do
a
double
check
on
some
some
other
staffing
as
well,
but
they,
I
believe
there
there
may
be
one
other
job
spec.
That's
under
that
amount.
A
Yeah,
this
isn't
anything
against
you.
I
guess
I'm
just
you
know.
We've
had
conversations
about
different
different
positions
and
how
workers
should
be
you
know,
maybe
paid
more.
Some
workers
can't
collect
over
time
so
anyway,
just
a
conversation
of
just
how
much
we
pay
in
the
city,
just
in
general
to
all
of
our
workers.
A
Just
I'll
probably
start
asking
that
question
more
often
all
right.
So
I
want
to
ask
it's
been
brought
up
a
couple
of
different
ways
here,
but
I
just
want
to
speak
directly
to
it.
I
have
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
businesses
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
Don't
have
an
have
an
awk,
an
occupancy.
Permit,
I'm
sorry
I'll,
let
you
say
the
official
line.
What
was
that.
A
Yeah
certificate
of
occupancy-
and
so
I
think,
there's
some
conversation
going
on
here
and
I
think
it's
been
going
on
for
some
years
about
you
know
really
the
assistance
for
them
to
get
that.
But
that's
not
you
know,
that's
not
pli's
responsibility.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
forget
that,
like
you
know,
pli
is
literally
you
know
you
review
you.
You
tell
that
architect
that
they've
hired.
A
C
That's
a
great
question:
I
don't
want
you
know
to
throw
something
on
a
another
agency,
but
it
would
be
great
to
have
you
know
a
a
program
where
there
is
a
very
knowledgeable
concierge
of
sorts
who
could
connect
a
customer
or
an
applicant
to
an
architect
that
is
relevant
to
what
they're
trying
to
build.
So
if
it's
a
you
know
a
residential
deck,
you
know
an
architect
or
a
design
professional
that
has
experience
with
that
or
if
it's
a
commercial
building.
C
You
know
that
that's
more
complicated,
a
design
professional
that
has
experience
to
that.
I'm
not
sure
if
the
ura
would
be
game
for
something
like
that,
but
I
think
that
would
be
a
wonderful
partnership
to
have
and
really
connect
resources,
because
I
agree
with
council
members.
It
is
absolutely
a
barrier
to
entry
for
our
permit
applicants
and
we
just
want
to
see
safe
structures
and
connecting
folks
with
design
professionals
as
a
way
to
get
there.
So
would
absolutely
support
a
program
that
looks
like
that
right.
A
Because
it's
like,
as
you
get
better
and
as
you
you
know,
you
as
pli,
continue
to
increase
enforcement
increase
staff
to
handle
reviews.
It
still
doesn't
you
know,
you're,
not
the
entity
that
would
where
that
would
be
housed.
So
I
just
think
we
need
to
you
know,
start
thinking
if
we
are
going
to
entertain
hiring
like
a
architect
at
the
city
or
at
the
ura.
A
A
Because
I
know
we've
discussed
before
about
you
know
for
these
larger,
whether
it's
a
skyscraper
or
a
residential
unit,
a
multi-residential
unit
that
there
would
be
you
know
an
option
to
have
you
know
for
that
developer
or
that
you
know
project
manager
to
to
pay
or
the
architect
to
to
pay
a
a
pre-planning
meeting
fee?
And
there
was
something
in
place.
But
is
this
what
you're
talking
about.
C
This
is
actually
something
that's
a
little
bit
new
in
our
fee
schedule
that
we
propose
in
front
of
council
for
2022.
I
apologize.
I
don't
have
the
dollar
amount
in
front
of
me,
but
it
would
be
a
fee
to
cover
the
cost
of
having
a
pre-application
meeting
with
pli
prior
to
submitting.
C
Now
we
recognize
that
that
would
be
pulling
staff
away
from
what
would
ordinarily
be
in
their
to-do
list
so
that
the
fee
really
covers
the
time
and
the
cost
of
holding
that
meeting,
and
we
also
want
to
build
really
clear
parameters
around
what
that
meeting
is
for
and
what
would
be
accomplished
so
prior
to
coming
to
that
meeting.
We
want
to
have
parameters
about
what
we
would
expect
participants
to
bring
to
the
meeting
so
that
we
can
have
a
fruitful
discussion
and
you
know
be
able
to
provide
appropriate
direction
for
submission
of
an
application
thereafter.
C
Yeah,
this
is
really
geared
towards
larger
developments
and
complicated
developments.
You
know
if
someone
who
is
building
a
helipad
right,
there's
not
too
many
of
those
in
the
cities.
That's
something
that
sometimes
folks
want
to
reach
out
and
get
some
guidance
so
that
they're
creating
construction
drawings
that
they
can
get
through
the
process,
and
you
know
don't
have
to
be
subjected
to
too
many
submission
resubmissions,
so
yeah.
A
Okay
thanks
this
stormwater,
these
stormwater
inspectors
that
are
being
added-
or
this
is
this
because
of
the
the
change
to
the
code
of
you,
know,
structures
that
are
above
x
amount
of
square
feet,
they're
required
to
hold
more
water
on
site.
C
A
Oh,
that's
so
interesting,
because
this
is
the
exact
example
I
give
as
to
why
I'm
opposed
to
the
bill
to
take
away
from
the
planning
commission
and
from
from
from
from
you
know,
I
I
don't
want
the
responsibility
of
knowing
whether
or
not
they
they're
holding
the
amount
of
you
know,
correct
gallons,
on
site
and
the
you
know.
The
release
of
you
know
the
time
that
they
have
to
release
the
that
into
our
system.
A
So
there's
a
you
know
you
might
have
seen
there's
this
bill
that
tries
to
strip
some
of
those
powers
and
give
it
to
council,
but
you're
actually
hiring
those
positions.
The
example
that
I
give
so.
C
So
this
title,
13
stormwater
ordinance,
ensures
that
the
city
meets
its
permit
obligations.
Stormwater
permanent
obligations
under
the
epa
and
part
of
that
is
reviewing
large
scale,
stormwater
systems
that
are
built
it's
over
ten
000
square
feet.
So
what
pli
would
be
doing
is
reviewing
what's
actually
being
constructed
on
site,
ensuring
that
it's
safe
construction
that
it's
going
to
be
able
to
meet
the
maintenance
requirements
that
are
required
thereafter
and
so
that
the
flows
of
water
that
go
into
the
utility
system
are
appropriate.
C
We
also
are
obligated,
under
that
stormwater
title
13
code
to
do
post
construction
inspections,
one
three
and
five
years
after
the
installation
of
that
system
to
ensure
that
it's
still
meeting
standards,
and
so
the
stormwater
inspector
is
really
going
to
be
inspecting
those
aspects
of
the
code
in
order
to
appropriately
enforce
title
13
issue
violations
when
those
developments
are
out
of
compliance
and
get
them
back
into
compliance
by
going
and
getting
a
stormwater
permit
to
meet
those
title,
13
requirements
so
that
the
city
can
meet
its
stormwater
permit
requirement.
There's.
C
It
is
connected
to
zoning
requirements.
Zoning
will
do
conceptual
reviews
of
the
best
management
practices
of
the
stormwater
system.
That's
being
adopted
and
pli
will
ensure
that
whatever
was
approved
by
zoning,
just
as
we
do
now
with
anything
else
is
actually
what
is
happening
in
the
field
when
it
is
installed.
A
A
I
know
there
was
well,
let's
just
start
with
the
70
000
rental
unit
number,
so
we
will
cover
70
000
rental
units.
C
So
the
american
community
survey
estimates
that
there's
about
70
000
rental
units
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
those
would
be
covered
under
the
rental
registration
ordinance
that
we
plan
on
enforcing
may
of
2022
in
relation
to
the
lead,
safe,
ordinance,
the
bill.
The
last
version
of
the
bill
I
saw,
looks
to
adopt
lead
inspections
in
rental
units,
so
the
portion
of
those
that
are
pre-1978
would
not
be
all
seventy
thousand,
but
it
would
be
a
large
portion
just
given
the
the
state
and
age
of
our
infrastructure.
A
I'm
interested
in
that
that
number
the
impact
this
could
have
is
is,
you
know,
phenomenal,
I
think
just
starting
there
and
all
we
can
learn
from
what
the
inspection
would
do
with
the
rental
unit
and
the
what
would
be
incorporated
in
terms
of
the
lead
inspection
at
those
units.
Do
you
agree
or
like.
C
This,
that
is
a
huge
volume
of
inspections,
and
you
know
when
we
look
at
I've,
listened
to
the
lead
safe
coalition
and
some
of
the
experts
that
they've
brought
in
and
the
data
that
they've
provided
and
when
you
look
at
the
data.
Kids
are
getting
lead
poisoning
in
places
where
there
is
a
lack
of
property
maintenance
upkeep
in
the
city,
and
so
the
rental
registration
ordinance
is
just
that
to
ensure
that
those
basic
property
maintenance
standards
of
the
code
are
met,
and
so
it
directly
connects
to
lead
safety.
How.
C
That
is
a
great
question.
I
think
we
did.
You
know
some
back
of
the
envelope
estimates
and
then
more
sophisticated
ones
later
on,
and
I
believe
the
just
for
lead.
You
know
discount
or
putting
rental
aside.
An
additional
four
inspectors
would
be
necessary,
so.
A
C
So
four
is
in
regards
to
hours
devoted
to
lead,
I'm
not
sure
we've
done
a
more
recent
calculation
just
for
rental
registration,
and
that
is
what
would
be
going
into
effect
in
may
so
apologies.
I
could
follow
up
regarding
those
numbers.
A
Yeah,
can
you
please
follow
up
just
bring
this
up,
also
just
to
see
how
we
would
negotiate
this
with
the
arp
dollars
that
were
set
aside
in
terms
of
how
we
draw
that
down
put
that
into
operating?
If
that's,
where
we're
going
to
do
that,.
A
And
I
want
to
thank
you
for
working
with
us
on
all
these
meetings
that
we've
really
tried
to
dial
in.
I
have
to
give
you
and
also
council
person
strausberger.
You
know
the
credit
there
where
it's
due,
because
people
you
know
have
been
working
non-stop
on
this
on
this
on
this
bill.
So.
A
My
last
comment
isn't
a
question.
I
mean
it's
not
a
it's
a
comment,
not
a
question,
but
that
you
know
I
just
want
to
say
that
I've
been
on
the
phone
and
I've
I've
pulled
you
into
many
conversations
where
you
know
the
public
is
quite
irate
with
pli
and
I
have
to
say
that
you've
kept
the
complete
professional
composure
during
those
conversations,
and
it
just
speaks
to
the
level
of
frustration
that
the
public
feels
and
it's
just
like
you
know.
I
definitely
definitely
hear
the
concerns
of
we
need
to
have.
A
You
know
more
people
to
answer
phones
and
everything,
but
I
just
think
that
you
know
I
just
keep
trying
to
think
about
your
department
in
terms
of
the
workers
that
are
there.
You
know.
I
know
we
work
closely
on
on
different
issues
and
I'm
bringing
up
the
you
know
someone
that's
being
disrespectful
on
the
phone.
It's
just
you
know
it's
just
an
unfortunate
situation,
sometimes
where
some
of
these
places
just
need
a
better
architect.
A
I
mean
that's
just
a
fact
of
the
matter:
I'm
not
sure
you
know
how
we
how
we
get
to
a
place
where
everyone
that
calls
in
has
you
know
everything
in
order.
I
mean
obviously
there's
an
equity
issue
there
and
that's
why
I
was
asking
the
questions
around.
You
know.
Where
does
that
person?
Who
would
you
know
possibly
be?
You
know,
be
like
a
on-call
architect
for
a
small
business
where
that
lies.
A
So
I'm
definitely
interested
in
that
conversation,
but
I
just
wanted
to
take
this
moment
to
thank
you,
for
you
know,
being
a
great
public
servant
to
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
A
All
right
thanks,
anyone
have
any
other
questions
all
right.
This
budget
hearing
is
adjourned.
A
I
have
to
I
have
to
mention
I
failed
to
mention
one
thing:
it
is
not
adjourned.
I
don't
think
I
have
to
take
that
back,
but
I
need
to
mention
that
we
will
continue
with
this
recess.
The
next
budget
hearing
is
friday
november
19th.
No,
that's
that's
open.