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A
Good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
pittsburgh
city
council
public
hearing
on
historic
designation
for
the
citizens
bank
in
east
liberty.
Today
I
am
joined
by
erica
strasberger
and
councilman
bobby
wilson.
I
don't
see
any
other
members
of
council.
A
I
thought
I
saw
mr
cross
and
there
there's
mr
krause
if
we
asked
the
clerk
to
read
the
title
of
the
bill
and
then,
after
that,
sarah
quinn
from
the
historic
designation
will
give
us
an
overview.
B
A
C
Certainly,
what
first
thing
I'm
going
to
do
is
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen
with
you.
The
nomination
that
was
submitted
contained
a
lot
of
photographs
which.
C
Can
you
all
see
that,
yes,
right
here,
the
green?
The
green
triangle
is
the
building.
This
property
is
located
at
6112,
penn
avenue.
It
was
nominated
by
a
woman
named
brittany,
riley
it's
located
in
the
east
liberty,
neighborhood,
and
it's
also
in
reverend
councilman
burgess's
district
scroll
forward
see
some
photos.
There's
this
figure.
One
is
the
front
of
the
building
figure.
Two
is
the
side,
the
north,
the
front
facade
measures
seven
days
in
width
and
it's
symmetrical.
C
Reading
the
building
from
left
to
right,
which
is
the
southwest
to
the
northeast
one
bay
through
six,
comprised
of
south
facing
step
back
of
the
central
center
avenue
facade.
The
southeast
facade
speaks
to
previous
historical
iterations
of
key
civic
inter
intersections
of
censure,
avenue
and
penn
avenue.
Remarkably,
a
facade
whose
construction,
layout
and
design
was
governed
by
a
sense
altered
street
layout.
C
You
can
see
this
is
the
back
of
the
building,
the
south,
the
rear
of
the
facade
measures,
seven
bays
and
widths
here.
The
bricks
massing
deconstructs
to
a
sawtooth
plan
of
sliding
planes
and
seven
emerging
office
space,
an
ingenious
solution
for
stepping
back
in
rhythm
with
the
busy
street.
It
parallels
this
sawtooth
plan
function
to
shield
interior
offices
from
street
noise,
while
also
maximizing
natural
light.
C
Finally,
the
northwest
facade,
which
is
can
be
seen
right
here,
is
clad
and
stucco
panels
with
green
brick.
Plinth
one
defined
bay
feature
featuring
a
window
opening
is
present
in
the
northeastern
end
of
the
facade.
Historically,
this
facade
abutted
the
sheridan
square
theater
and
was
not
intended
to
be
seen.
C
by
the
early
1960s
mellon's
decision
to
modernize
their
existing
liberty.
East
liberty
branch
was
directly
influenced
by
the
unknown
authority
for
the
area.
On
september,
8
1968
mellon
national
bank
announced
that
the
former
city
deposit
bank
at
penn
and
center
avenues
in
east
liberty
would
be
demolished
and
replaced
with
a
new
bank
facility.
C
So
in
late
1968
and
early
1969,
the
east
liberty
office
of
the
mellon
national
bank
moved
its
operations
across
center
avenue,
while
preparations
and
groundbreaking
ensued
for
the
new
branch
design
for
the
new
east
liberty,
branch,
material
choices
and
considerations
of
the
site
surrounding
were
on
par
with
how
the
melon
buildings
department
approached
other
modern
branches
shown
in
the
in
the
documentation
which
I
will
get
to
later
on.
Soaring
windows
capture
national
light,
swaths
of
eye-catching,
green
glazed,
brick
wrap
the
building
and
the
center
avenue
facing
staggered
plant
setbacks
to
maximize
the
triangular
lot.
C
C
A
nearby
whitfield
street,
consisting
of
concrete
and
steel
frame
with
brick,
infill
and
recessed
ground
floor,
enclosed
glass,
which
was
renovated
in
2010
their
portfolio,
are
also
includes.
The
original
squirrel
hill
branch
of
the
carnegie
library
built
in
1972,
several
local
synagogues,
the
beth
hemadrash
haggadah
beth,
jacob
congregation
located
in
downtown
the
gameless
chest,
said:
synagogue
in
white
oak,
the
new
wing
of
temple,
sinai
and
squirrel
hill
and
the
martin
luther
king
jr
elementary
school
on
north
side,
which
opened
in
1973.
C
Melon
bank
had
a
history
of
well,
it
could
be
called
an
architectural
heritage.
In
fact,
during
the
1950s
and
60s
melon
bank
developed
a
systematic
approach
to
modern
branch
office
buildings,
beginning
with
downtown
pittsburgh
corps,
moving
outwards
through
the
city's
neighborhoods
and
eventually
to
the
more
suburban
locales,
the
company,
successfully
utilized
architecture
and
its
branches
as
a
business,
outreach
and
marketing
tool.
The
bank
kept
paced
with
contemporary
design
practices
in
the
pittsburgh
region.
This
resulted
in
an
accumulation
of
above
average,
often
delightful
bank
branch
bank
branches
right
for
preservation
and
reuse.
C
The
pittsburgh
firm,
hoffman,
leffler
and
wolf
completed
mellon's
national
bank
office,
the
university
office.
Excuse
me
it
was
located
at
the
busy
highly
visible
intersection
of
craig
street
and
fifth
avenue
in
pittsburgh's
oakland
neighborhood
demolished
in
2004.
This
design
boasted
a
reinforced
concrete
shell
roof
and
a
core
surrounded
by
a
glass
curtain.
Wall.
C
Starting
in
the
mid-1960s
melon
bank
maintained
a
quote-unquote
building
supervision
department,
in-unit
focused
in-house
unit
focused
on
design
materials,
colors
construction,
interior
planning,
largely
led
by
assistant.
Vice
president
in
charge
of
buildings,
mr
edward
l
becker
under
whom
innovations
as
efficient
prefabricated
branch
models
were
developed.
Under
this
program,
melon
national
bank
invested
heavily
in
the
design
of
its
bank
branches,
expressed
through
a
variety
of
designs
throughout
the
greater
pittsburgh
area,
including
squirrel
hill
uptown,
lawrenceville,
millvale
and
east
liberty,
which
is
the
building
of
the
nomination
in
early
1965.
C
C
Night
and
then
I'll
mention
the
lawrenceville
branch,
which
is
the
one
you're
looking
at
now,
it's
an
important
quarter,
location
at
maine
and
butler
street,
opened
in
december.
1966
is
a
modern
brick
structure
with
drive-in
service
and
ample
customer
parking.
C
That's
really
that's
what
I
have
for
you
all
today.
What
I
can
say
is
that
it
was
interesting
hearing
stories
about
these
buildings
when
we
took
it
to
when
we
did
the
presentation
for
the
planning
commission,
I
believe
it
was
becky
mingo
who
was
an
architecture
student
at
cmu
and
the
modern.
Their
modern
design
course
sent
them
to
the
bank
branches
to
do
drawings
of
the
individual
buildings
as
part
of
their
class
exercises.
So
we
didn't
know
that
going
in
that
was
kind
of
interesting,
but
that's
what
I
have
for
you
all
today.
A
C
The
first
one
was
criteria,
seven,
its
association
with
important
cultural
and
social
aspects
or
events
in
the
history
of
city
pittsburgh,
and
one
of
the
things
I
didn't
bring
out
in
my
discussion
today
was
that
and
but
it's
in
the
packet
you
received
and
also
in
the
nomination
available
on
our
website-
is
that
melon
bank,
when
they
initiated
this
program
of
doing
modern
architecture,
architecture
for
their
in
individual
branches.
C
That
really
spurred
sort
of
competition
in
town
for
other
pnc
bank
in
particular,
did
the
same
thing
with
some
of
their
branches.
So
it
was
sort
of
they
were
trying
to
one-up
each
other
on
the
design
and
the
scale
and
the
fabric
of
the
buildings.
A
So
the
main
one,
let
me
hear
you
the
main
one-
does
not
really
talk
about
the
building
itself,
but
that
it
spurred
other
activity
to
because
when
I
looked
at
the
packet
I
did
not
see.
I
did
not
see
the
traditional
rationalization
for
the
building
itself
being
historic.
I
just
didn't
see
it
in
the
packet.
Well,
maybe
it's
there
somewhere
that
I
didn't
see.
That's
why
I'm
asking
you
specifically,
because
I
did
not
see
justification
for
the
building
itself
being
historic.
C
Well,
it's
criteria
number
seven.
There
are
ten
criteria
that
are
allowed
that
you
can
choose
from
number.
Seven
was
the
strongest
of
those.
C
It's
association
with
spurring
a
movement
and
being
part
of
a
program
I
mean
I
mean.
Ideally
I
mean
in
the
hrc,
asked
this
of
the
denominator
as
well.
Ideally,
we
would
have
the
fifth
avenue
melon
bank
building
and
we
would
have
the
squirrel
hill
melon
bank
building
nominated
at
the
same
time.
C
It
didn't
work
out
that
way,
but
this
is
part
of
a
set
and
part
of
a
program.
So.
C
A
I'm
getting
old
right,
nominating
they're
nominating
buildings,
I
watch
being
built
right.
I
went
to
the
sheridan
square,
theater
saw
ben
hur,
there
went
to
the
the
bakery
next
door
to
sheridan
square,
the
buy
chocolate
chip,
cookies
and
so
now
they're
building
buildings
and
making
them
historic
that
I
watched
being
built.
I
watched
that
building
being
built
from
the
ground
up,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
historic
too.
A
C
A
Is
art
looking
all
right,
so
I
will
ask
now
I
have
another
question
to
you
and
then
we'll
go
into
listening
to
the
public.
Mr
crumbs.
D
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
hi.
Sarah
welcome.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
The
question
I
have
for
you
is
who
we're
told
the
owner
of
the
property
is
an
opposition.
I
believe
that's
the
terminology
who
is
the
owner
of
the
building?
Okay,.
C
D
C
D
C
Yes
and
citizens
bank,
because
they
have
association
with
this
building-
has
been
acting
as
the
owners
agents
yeah.
We
felt
that
would
be
appropriate,
so.
E
F
D
Let
me
finish
my
my
question:
is
that,
and
perhaps
this
is
more
a
question
for
for
our
law
department?
A
D
C
D
May
I
continue
yeah
yeah.
Thank
you
so
yeah
I
I
I
j
just
for
the
sake
of
the
discussion
of
the
of
the
fact
that
there
is
opposition
to
the
nomination.
Just
I
just
think
respectfully.
D
I
would
need
a
clearer
understanding
of
who
this
owner
really
is
and
whether
or
not
they
they
fit
within
the
system
we've
created
for
owners
to
actually
oppose
the
the
nomination
of
the
property,
something
else
that
I've
kind
of
uncovered,
and
I
don't
know
that,
whether
or
not
you
can
answer
this
question
for
me
or
not,
so
that
I
can
make
an
informed
decision.
D
C
Me
I
can
tell
you
that
came
up
in
a
discussion
right.
I
believe
it
might
have
been
right
when
we
got
the
nomination,
because
I
I
and
I
might
be
mistaken-
there's
a
there
are
folks
from
citizens
waiting
to
speak
later
on
in
the
hearing.
I
believe
there
was
a
demolition
permit
that
was
applied
for
perhaps.
D
Yeah,
but
that's
not
my
question
for
you.
D
Let
me
respect
the
guess
of
my
question
and,
and
I
think
you're
right
that
perhaps
is
more
a
question
for
for
representatives
from
citizen
and
and
we
can
always
take
that
offline
as
well
too,
and
that
I
just
you
know
we
argue
process
on
the
council
all
the
time
and
making
certain
that
the
processes
that
we've
designed
we're
following
and
and
if,
if
indeed
we
want
to
follow
the
process
that
if
an
owner
objects
to
nomination
regardless
of
the
building,
this
is
just
structural
and
in
procedure
and
process.
D
It
would
help
the
council,
I
believe,
to
have
a
clear
understanding
of
the
owner
and
knowing
that
you
know
the
owner
physically
title
holder
of
the
building
opposes
the
nomination.
I
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
Thank
you,
and,
but
we
do
know
in
this
in
full
disclosure
and
those
citizens
will
explain
that
it
is
their
intention
to
demolish
the
building
and
build
a
new
facility,
and
this
this
nomination
has
been
nominated
to
facil
to
stop
that
plan.
They've
already
engaged
the
community
we're
already
having
community
engagement
about
the
new
building,
and
so
this
historic
designation
occurred
because
it
is
citizens
plan
to
demolish
the
building
and
build
a
new
structure.
So
with
that,
I'm
going.
D
H
D
Right
but
we're
we
all
have
to
cast
a
vote
and
we
appreciate
the
you
know
the
importance
of
cash
cashing
and
casting
and
informed
vote,
and
so
beyond.
I
have
nothing
that
says:
that's
what
happened
and
so
for
me,
that's
speculative
in
nature-
and
I
you
know
I'd
be
happy
to
research
that
on
my
own
and
find
out
if
that
is
indeed
what
happened.
D
But
it
is
my
understanding
as
well
too,
if
I
do
understand
it
correctly
that
that
it
is
citizen's
desire
to
demolish
this
building
and
build
another
bank
building,
I
guess
to
be
able
to
add
parking.
I
think
that's
the
the
criteria
or
the
motive
behind
it.
Again.
That's
speculative.
I
can't
say
that
that
is
definitively
what's
happened
here
either
so.
A
Well,
in
the
building,
if
you
walk
in
the
building,
it's
90
of
it's
not
being
used,
it
no
longer
serves
the
purpose
it
was
built
for.
So,
if
you
go
into
it,
which
I
do
because
I'm
a
citizen
member,
it's
the
closest
bank
to
my
home,
I'm
a
customer,
it
is
not
being
currently
used,
maybe
90
of
it.
The
upstairs
is
not
being
used.
The
full
first
floor
is
not
being
used.
It
is,
you
know
it
is
a.
It
is
a
it
is.
A
It
is
what
it
is,
but
it
is
probably
90
of
the
building
is
not
being
utilized
by
citizens
in
its
current
form
that
parts.
If
you
walk
in
that's
you
know,
you
can
just
see
it.
It's
not!
It's
not
speculative
that
part's
true.
So
we'll
ask
brenda
to
just
you
know,
to
call
the
speakers
for
us
and
we'll
hear
their
concern,
and
then
I
guess
it'll
come
back
before
council,
I
suppose
tomorrow
it
doesn't
matter
to
me.
We
can
do
it
this
tomorrow
or
next
wednesday.
I
I
D
I
I
J
A
E
D
H
All
right
welcome.
Thank
you.
So
much.
Let
me
just
quickly.
I'm
I
represent
citizens
bank.
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you.
Let
me
just
quickly
identify
some
of
the
questions
that
were
raised.
There
is
a
real
estate
investment
trust
that
owns
a
number
of
buildings
that
is
the
landlord
and
owner
of
the
building.
H
They
submitted
a
letter
we
sent
it
to
ms
pre
by
email
and
we're
also
sending
it
certified
mail.
So
the
the
llc,
the
the
reit,
has
opposed
this.
They
have
a
long-term
lease.
They
had
entered
into
a
long-term
lease
with
citizens.
The
lease
actually
explicitly
contemplated
the
demolition
of
the
building
and
it's
in
the
lease,
and
so
both
the
owner
and
the
long-term
tenant
oppose
the
nomination.
H
As
reverend
burgess
indicated,
the
building
is
really
outdated
for
banking
use.
It's
about
fifteen
thousand
square
feet.
They
really
only
need
about
3
000
square
feet.
Also,
a
lot
of
the
buildings
from
50
years
ago
are
very
energy
inefficient.
They
would
like
to
have
more
light
in
a
more
efficient
building
and
they
and
and
and
they
had
designed
some
rear
parking.
There
is
no
drive-through
in
the
proposal,
so
this
went
in
front
of
got
the
nomination.
H
They
had
already
started
the
process
to
start
the
demolition,
so
there
was
some
some
damage
done
in
that
process
and
then,
of
course,
everything
has
to
stop.
So
the
building
is
in
pretty
bad
condition
right
now,
with
water
leaks,
etc.
When
this
got
nominated,
it
was
actually
nominated
to
follow
up
on
ms
quinn's
comments.
It
got
nominated
for
under
three
separate
conditions.
H
Criteria:
three
is
that
it
was
somehow
architecturally
significant
think
falling
water
condition.
Five
was,
it
was
part
of
some
urban
design,
so
things
like
gateway
center,
downtown
and
number
ten
was
that
it
was
like
an
iconic,
neighborhood
building
so
think,
east
liberty,
presbyterian,
church
or
motor
square
garden,
or
some
iconic
building
that
would
be
representative
of
the
neighborhood.
H
So
when
I
we
got
this,
I
actually
called
jerry
morasco
an
architect,
and
I
knew
him
from
my
days
when
I
was
on
the
planning,
commission
and
the
zoning
board
many
years
ago,
and
I
knew
jerry
number
one
was
actually
an
advocate
for
historic
preservation
and
number
two.
He
had
actually
studied
a
frank,
lloyd,
wright,
school
talisman
in
arizona,
so
I
knew
that
he
really
had
unique
knowledge
of
mid-century
and
I
just
asked
him
you
know
what
do
you
think?
How
do
you
evaluate
this
and
to
follow
reverend
burgess's
idea?
H
You
know
these
are
newer
buildings.
So
how?
How
do
you
look
at
this
in
the
historical
context,
so
he
jumped
into
that
analysis
and
he
prepared
an
analysis
for
the
board
and
he
basically
concluded
that
it
was
not
architecturally
significant.
There
were
other
buildings
even
within
the
limited
world
of
like
branch
bank
buildings
that
really
had
certain
like
cantilever
design
or
that
were
spoken
of
or
identified
as
key
buildings,
and
this
was
more
of
a
hodgepodge
of
design
and
he
goes
through
that
analysis
for
number
three.
H
It
clearly
wasn't
part
of
it
wasn't
like
a
gateway
center,
it
wasn't
an
instrumental
building
and
it
certainly
wasn't
iconic.
Nobody
would
think
of.
If
you
say,
east
liberty
and
nobody
says
the
melon
branch
building.
You
know
that
just
didn't
come
up,
so
he
then
did
this
analysis
and
it's
really
noteworthy
that
the
plan,
the
historic
review
commission
really
adopt
accepted
what
he
said.
One
member
called
it
a
brilliant
analysis.
B
Happened,
I'm
not
sure
david.
These
are
already
yeah,
I
think
so.
He
has
he's
down
as
a
registered
speaker,
so
it
would
be
the
three
minutes
unless
you
guys
decide
we're
gonna
expand
the
register
speaker
list
because
that's
what
they
are
registered
speaker,
so
it
would
be
limited
to
the
three
minutes
unless
you.
D
Members
so
yeah.
Well,
mr
chair,
I
don't
mean
to
speak
over
other
people.
It
seems
even
that
mr
levine
is
is
more
of
a
presenter
than
a
registered
speaker.
I
think
it
would
be
beneficial
to
the
council
to
hear
what
what
he
has
to
say
within
reason,
we're
not
talking
a
20-minute
presentation,
but
I
think
it
would
be
helpful.
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilman
krauss,
and
I
will
be
brief
here
so
at
the
hearing
at
the
at
the
hrc.
Hearing
the
the
the
commission
was
struggling
with
the
idea.
They
said
it
doesn't
mean
three,
it
doesn't
mean
five,
it
doesn't
meet
criteria
ten,
but
there
was
some
concern
about
well.
Do
we
wanna
have
this
smaller
branch
building
which,
interestingly,
they
told
us
not
to
present
anything
about
the
new
building,
because
it
was
entirely
irrelevant
to
a
historic
designation
process.
H
During
the
meeting,
miss
quinn
suggested
what
we
could
consider
criterion
number
seven.
They
were
kind
of
looking
for
something,
so
they
said,
number
seven
and
number.
Seven
is
interesting
because
it
says
that
this
building
it's
a
it-
would
be
historic
if
it
had
an
association
with
an
important
cultural
or
social
aspect
of
events
in
the
history
of
pittsburgh
or
pennsylvania.
The
united
states
so
think
ford's
theater,
where
lincoln
was
shot
at
the
stonewall
inn
where
the
lgbt
movement
began.
That's
typically
what
you
mean
by
an
important
cultural
event.
H
and
to
this
we
also
responded
and
jerry
had
included
it
in
his
work
that
there
were
many
many
publications
that
talked
about
east
liberty,
rothschild
doyle
did
a
study
for
the
planning
commission
in
2004.,
in
2010,
angelique,
bomback
and
mike
eversmeyer,
put
in
a
nomination
for
the
national
historic
to
have
a
national,
historic,
designation
and
literally
excluded.
This
building
didn't
mention
it
and
didn't
even
include
the
parcel,
and
although
it
was
a
newer
building,
it
did
this.
This
analysis
did
mention
the
library
in
the
rothschild
your
study
in
2004.
H
They
designated
lots
of
historic
buildings,
no
mention
of
this
building,
and
then
there
were
other
various
publications,
modern
architecture
talking
about
east
liberty,
no
mention
of
this
building
so
number
one.
H
It
could
affect
the
north
side,
the
hill
district,
east
liberty
and
many
other
neighborhoods,
and
so
we
think
it's
a
very
dangerous
standard,
as
as
mr
morasco
said
and
has
pointed
out,
this
is
not
an
architecturally
significant
building
the
commit
the
commission
did
not
find
it
was.
It
simply
found
that
it
had
this
link
to
the
failed
east
liberty,
historic
project,
and
we
think
that's
just
insufficient
and
shouldn't
be
the
basis
for
that
analysis.
So,
thank
you.
K
B
B
I
Hello,
how
are
you
guys
jason
jones
citizens,
bank?
I
actually
stand.
I
know
you
can't
see
it,
but
we're
actually
in
the
the
building
and
it's
in
terrible
terrible
shape.
So
I
I'm
the
community
development
market
manager
for
citizens.
I
oversee
this
branch
and
you
know
currently
you
know
it's
just
too
large.
I
think
we've
discussed
that
it's
about
15
000
square
feet
and
we
we
really
only
need
two
thousand
square
feet:
there's
no
energy
efficiency,
and
so
that's
you
know
really
important.
I
Now
there
it's
it's
very
dark.
So
it's
interesting
that
they
would
say
that,
there's
you
know
natural
lighting,
but
it
doesn't.
You
know
for
the
communities
that
we
serve
homewood,
larmor
garfield.
I
You
know
those
those
we
want
a
more
welcoming
branch
and
I
think
they
would
appreciate
a
more
welcoming
branch,
especially
what's
going
on.
You
know,
kind
of
ensuring
that
everyone
has
fair
access
to
lending
capital
and
branches,
and
so
it's
it's
just
not
it's
just
it
just
doesn't
fit
that
need
either.
We're
really
welcome
to
pay
homage
to
the
building.
There's
a
park
lit-
and
I
understand
this-
is
the
you
know-
kind
of
breadth
of
east
liberty
and
walking
into
it.
I
You
know
we're
fine
with
doing
something
like
that
in
the
parklet
or
maybe
a
mural,
we're
really
happy
to
work
with
the
city
to
try
to
get
that
accomplished
again.
There's
just
a
ton
of
you
know
remediation
that
has
to
happen.
You
know
standing
in
it,
you
know
it's
not
the
safest
environment,
it's
not
again
in
the
best
condition
the
roof.
There's
asbestos
there's
a
lot
kind
of
going
on.
I
So
again
I
just
wanted
to
you
know
kind
of
point,
those
those
points
out
and
being
a
you
know,
an
actual
east
liberty,
resident
myself
or
growing
up
here
we
have
a
letter
of
support
from
eldi,
which
you
guys
have
access
to
and
then
also
tammy
thompson
has
she's
also
a
resident,
and
she
runs
incubation
space
here
for
small
businesses
and
it's
really
kind
of
been
an
inconvenient
inconvenience
to
them
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
the
time.
I
think
that's
about
three
minutes.
E
Hi
jerry,
can
you
guys
hear
me
yeah
hi,
jerry
hi
yeah,
as
jason
said,
we
we
did
brave
ourselves
here
into
the
building
which
I,
if
you
can
see
over.
My
shoulder
is
in
a
state
of
incredible
deterioration
because
they
had
already
done
asbestos
remediation
and
started
the
demolition
of
the
property.
I've
actually
known
this
building.
I
know
most
of
you
who
know
me
associate
me
with
south
side
where
I
make
my
home,
but
I
in
1986
and
87.
E
I
worked
on
the
project
for
the
restoration
of
motor
square
garden
and
then
worked
out
of
the
then
former
ymca
in
87
88
and
in
the
early
90s
did
quite
a
bit
of
work
in
the
east
liberty,
commercial
district.
So
I've
known
this
building
for
a
long
time
in
2016,
I
moved
my
offices
to
east
liberty
and
I
literally
see
this
building
every
day,
so
I
know
it
beyond
my
sort
of
credentials
as
a
preservationist.
E
Trying
to
confirm
my
hunch
that
it
was
not
significant.
As
cliff
mentioned,
there
were
six
significant
surveys
and
academic
exposes
the
most
recent
in
the
last
year
that
focused
on
each
liberty
and
the
modern
movement
and
architecture.
They
all
omit
this
building.
The
omission
is
conspicuous
angeline
bamberg,
who
was
former
staff
to
the
hrc
and
with
mike
eversmeyer
the
author
of
the
successful
2010
nomination
of
the
east
liberty,
commercial,
historic
district
to
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
concurred
with
my
observation
and
I'm
quoting
her.
E
The
nominators
seem
to
have
decided
that
the
building
is
significant,
then
gathered
information,
which
often
just
coincides
with
significant
aspects
of
east
liberty's
development.
I
think
you
all
have
my
detailed
report
to
the
nomination.
The
hrc,
if
you
listen
to
their
discourse,
determined
as
cliff
said
that
the
building
did
not
meet
any
of
the
three
original
nominating
criteria,
then
staff
suggested
criteria.
E
The
last
point
I'd
like
to
make
is
the
standard
for
an
individual
historic
structure
is
very
high.
This
is
not.
Everybody
gets
a
trophy
buildings
like
this
in
the
context
of
a
historic
district
might
be
rendered
significant
in
that
group
and,
as
ms
queen
alluded.
If
this
were
a
group
nomination
of
multiple
structures,
it
might
be
true,
but
if
you
use
the
example
of
the
east
carson
street
district,
which
is
both
a
national
register
and
it's
in
a
city,
historic
district,
there
are
four
significant
bank
buildings
in
that
district.
A
L
Hello
there
can
you
hear
me
yes,
okay,
good
afternoon,
I
will
ask
if
I
might
just
take
an
extra
moment
to
share
some
thoughts
as
I'm
the
nominator
of
the
structure.
So
I
will
keep
it
brief,
but
continue
with
my
commentary.
So
my
name
is
brittany,
riley
182,
42nd
street
pittsburgh,
so
councilman
that
is
in
lawrenceville,
and
I
previously
lived
in
highland
park.
L
We
want
to
see
it
acknowledge
and
protect
it
as
a
vital
part
of
pittsburgh's
history,
so
we
nominated
this
1970
building
at
the
prominent
intersection
of
pen
and
center,
a
gateway
to
the
east
end
and
east
liberty.
Our
nomination
was
prompted
by
our
ongoing
interests
and
in-depth
research
into
mellon
banks,
architectural
projects
at
mid-century,
which
we
find
important
to
pittsburgh's
history.
L
Our
original
nomination
presented
that
under
criterion
3,
the
structure's
particular
modernist
architecture
and
design
potentially
made
it
worthy
for
consideration.
As
a
landmark.
Like
mr
morosco,
I
also
have
a
knowledge
of
modernist
design
and
I'll
just
express,
there's
more
to
pittsburgh
and
the
region
than
falling
water.
Historical
designation
does
not
require
that
a
building
be
iconic,
but
the
vernacular
should
also
be
considered
as
well.
Mr
levine
shared
some
examples
of
iconic
structures
seeming
in
an
attempt
to
dismiss
the
potential
significance
of
this
structure,
but
there
are
different
tenets
around
its
use
and
its
design.
L
Then
the
planning
commission
endorsed
that
the
structure's,
unique
form
provides
an
impactful
visual
interest
and
a
sense
of
distinct
place
at
this
primary
intersection.
It
holds
its
corner,
it's
site-specific
and
that
was
customized
by
the
architects
for
this
urban
triangular
plot.
So
we
all
know
that
east
liberty
has
been
through
so
many
stages
of
transformation.
L
G
G
Despite
what
citizens
just
reeled
off
as
facts
by
paid
witnesses,
both
commissions
voted
in
favor
of
supporting
the
nomination
of
6112
penn
avenue
for
historic,
landmark
status,
clear
recommendations
to
city
council
appointed
by
city
governments.
These
professionals
voted
approvingly,
validating
the
nomination
and
the
building
as
a
valuable
pittsburgh
cultural
asset,
one
that
has
met
several
of
the
historic
criterions
for
landmark
status.
G
G
Last
25
last
20
last
10
years
last
five
years,
east
liberty
has
changed
so
much.
I
actually
used
to
live
right
on
friendship
at
the
border
of
it,
and
I've
seen
things
torn
down
that
maybe
it
was
okay
for
them
to
go
away,
but
the
entire
neighborhood
has
been
changing
so
much
in
its
character.
I
feel
that
right
now,
who's,
writing
the
history
of
the
community
or
what
I'm
going
to
say
are
the
winners.
G
I
don't
know
if
they
really
are
the
stakeholders
of
the
entire
community,
but
the
people
who
have
the
means
and
the
ways
to
shape
it,
and
I
know
that
this
shape
is
in
order
to
bring
vibrancy
and
community
and
economic
advantages
to
the
community
and
the
people
who
live
there,
but
at
the
price
of
making
difficult
decisions
about
what
stays.
What
goes?
What
has
value
and
what
doesn't,
when
I
look
at
this
building
and
as
I
said
every
time
I
see
it,
I
know
I'm
looking
at
a
melon
bank
green
tile
and
it's
subjective.
G
When
I
look
at
east
liberty
in
this
building,
I
see
this
community
is
making
it.
This
community
is
finding
itself
again,
maybe
in
certain
ways
that
are
not
pleasant.
I
don't
want
to
touch
on
gentrification
in
certain
ways,
but
we
can't
be
selective
about
our
history.
History
is
history.
We
cannot
be
selective
about
what
we
consider
a
failure
or
not.
Maybe
the
building
is
not
the
most
modern
and
amazing
building
in
the
city.
G
That's
true,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
it
doesn't
have
value
and
has
a
value
to
our
history
of
pittsburgh
and
our
neighborhood
to
protect
it
not
only
for
ourselves
but
for
the
generations
that
are
right
behind
us.
End
quote
the
incorporation
of
buildings
of
different
periods
into
the
built
fabric
of
east
liberty
is
possible.
There
is
value
in
collective
memory,
and
historic
preservation
is
a
tool
to
foster
it
in
communities.
G
Furthermore,
citizens
as
tenant
of
an
absentee
owner
can
reuse
the
building
with
surgical
interventions
to
truly
benefit
its
customers
via
neighborhood
investment,
as
citizens
legitimately
looked
at
reuse
scenarios,
the
building
and
property
has
been
selected
by
aia
pittsburgh,
young
architects
forum,
as
their
annual
competition
site,
currently
live
on
the
aia
website.
I
look
very
much
forward
to
seeing
their
designs
for
reuse
emerge
in
their
work
this
summer.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
A
K
We
learned
after
the
fact
that
there
was
a
citizens
community
meeting
in
summer
2020,
where
two
people
attended
then
another,
where
four
people
attended.
To
my
knowledge,
this
was
the
extent
of
citizens
public
meetings
regarding
the
site.
K
In
august
I
contacted
citizens
and
was
directed
to
their
rhode
island
headquarters
and
then
wrote
a
letter
to
them
with
copies
to
pittsburgh.
City
planning,
the
mayor,
east
liberty,
community
groups
and
I
received
a
basic
reply
from
citizens.
In
september,
we
began
researching
the
melon
bank
buildings,
which
is
a
lengthy
process.
K
In
late
february,
I
spoke
with
someone
at
freiret,
which
is
the
llc
in
arizona
who
owns
the
building
to
let
them
know
of
our
plans
to
nominate
it,
and
we
also
met
with
citizens
in
march
and
thought
there
was
a
chance
for
further
dialogue,
but
then
never
received
any
response
back
from
citizens
when
we
contacted
them
to
follow
up
to
my
knowledge-
and
someone
can
correct
me
on
this-
the
demolition
and
propose
new
plans
never
went
before
the
planning,
commission
or
zoning.
K
The
citizens
or
the
city's
internal
process
is
tough
to
understand
for
an
average
person
like
me,
also
with
no
rco
in
east
liberty.
This
can
add
to
some
of
the
difficulty
I
realize
citizens
may
want
parking
and
a
smaller
building,
but
there
is
a
free
lot
across
the
street
for
parking
under
45
minutes
and
an
opportunity
for
citizens
to
partner
with
local
and
emerging
businesses
and
community
groups
to
reinvigorate
the
existing
building,
though
this
is
just
one
idea
to
consider.
K
K
K
I
also
hope
this
little
this
this
area
does
not
become
a
tiny
breezewood,
but
that
can
be
worked
on.
I
would
love
to
see
a
vision
for
this
block
and
a
community
process,
perhaps
such
as
what
was
done
with
bloomfield
shore,
safe
grocery
store
and
lawrenceville's
county-owned
clock
site.
J
J
Can
anyone
hear
me
yes,
okay,
perfect,
my
name
is
justin
greenawalt
and,
as
president
of
the
east
liberty
valley,
historical
society,
I'll
be
speaking
on
behalf
of
my
organization.
J
J
We
are
here
today
discussing
the
merits
of
saving
the
melon
national
bank
because
of
the
robust
public
involvement
process
afforded
by
our
historic
preservation
ordinance.
In
contrast,
the
citizens
bank
guided
public
involvement
process
involved
two
poorly
advertised
public
meetings
that
included
six
community
members
total.
I
was
one
of
those
six
attendees
a
little
bit
of
history.
J
The
historic
preservation
movement
in
pittsburgh
is
based
in
the
1950s
60s
and
70s.
Specifically,
historic
preservation
was
a
reaction
to
the
widespread
heavy-handed
and
top-down
destruction
brought
by
urban
renewal.
At
that
time,
the
people
of
pittsburgh
had
little
or
no
say
in
how
their
neighborhoods
developed
in
east
liberty.
During
this
redevelopment
of
the
50s
and
60s
people
had
no
way
of
saying,
please
save
the
liberty
theater
it's
important
to
me.
Please
save
our
train
station.
We
might
need
it
again
someday.
J
J
This
is
one
of
the
first
mid-century
buildings
to
come
before
this
council
for
consideration
as
a
historic
property,
so
it
might
seem
unfamiliar,
but
the
nominators
have
made
a
sound
case
for
its
designation.
I
say
all
of
this
to
make
the
following
point:
there
has
been
an
outpouring
of
support
for
saving
the
former
mellon
national
bank.
J
This
council
has
a
decision
to
make.
Will
it
grant
designation
to
a
historic
building
that
the
people
wish
to
protect,
or
will
it
yield
to
the
interests
of
an
absentee-based
owner
in
arizona
or
the
agent,
a
company
headquartered
in
rhode
island,
to
be
more
direct?
Will
this
body
allow
the
mistakes
of
the
past
to
be
repeated
in
east
liberty,
or
will
we
forge
a
new
path
forward?
J
B
M
M
And
I
would
also
suggest
that
that
space
be
used
as
a
healing
space
with
the
proper
renovations
to
the
building.
I
understand
that
there
is
an
asbestos
issue,
but
that
can
be
a
space
that
can
be
revitalized
such
as
the
same
way.
The
schindler
building
that
was
full
of
asbestos
is
now
being
rented
at
wall
is
now
housing
condominiums
and
not
to
suggest
that
this
place
should
house
condominiums.
M
M
There
has
been
a
lot
of
businesses
that
have
been
moved
out
of
the
east
liberty
corridor
and
what
a
great
opportunity
that
this
is
for
city
council
to
repurpose,
this
very
building
that
is
standing
in
question
with
so
many
question
marks.
The
only
thing
that
hasn't
been
discussed
in
great
detail
is
what
the
future
plan
for
that
space
is
and
reading
through
the
lines.
A
Okay,
members
of
council.
F
Yeah,
I
want
to
thank
all
speakers
and
I
just
wanted
to
ask
some
questions
to
our
historic
review
committee
person
and
so
sarah
some
questions
about
this
structure
versus
other
structures
of
the
same.
F
Do
I
have
that
right,
the
same
architect
at
all,
or
this
was
just
the
urban
the
urban
I
mean
the
the
modernist
plan,
the
different
architects
for
all
the
different
buildings.
C
Yeah
well
the
bay.
It
says
the
bank
was
designed
by
lift
justice
and
chetlin.
They
do
they
design
the
east
liberty,
carnegie
branch
on
woodfield
street.
They
design
the
east
pittsburgh
branch
of
melon
bank
and.
C
No,
they
did
not
do
the
one
in
squirrel
hill,
they
in
squirrel
hill,
they
did
the
carnegie
library
and
several
synagogues,
but
the
squirrel
hill
branch
was
done
under
the
same
modern
architecture
program
that
was
overseen
by
the
director
of
facilities
for
mellon
bank.
F
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
because
number
seven,
its
association
with
important
cultural
and
social
aspects
or
events
in
the
history
of
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
You
know
that
yeah.
C
C
Well,
what
I
was
going
to
say
is:
these
criteria
are
based
on
national
register
criteria
and
they
have
four
of
them
criterion.
A
in
the
national
register
is
significant
in
its
representation
of
broad
patterns
of
american
state
and
local
history,
and
that's
sort
of
what
this
is.
This
is
this
is
sort
of
shows
a
revitalization
of
finances
after
world
war
ii
of
revitalization
of
design
for
the
60s
and
70s,
and
so
it's
a
pattern
that
not
only
went
on
in
pittsburgh.
It
went
on
in
other
places
as
well,
but.
F
C
It
doesn't
really
need
to
it.
Just
needs
to
qualify
for
one.
F
Okay,
well,
that
being
said,
since
I'm
looking
at
number
seven,
I'm
really
curious
on.
You
know
the
pattern
that
that
these
were
constructed.
So,
for
instance,
this
one
was
in
our
urban
renewal
that
you
know
some
most
would
say,
failed
and-
and
was
this
similar
to
on
the
north
side,
and
so
I
guess
what
I'm
wondering
is
exactly.
F
I
think
what
some
of
the
speakers
were
questioning
is
in
what
I
question
all
the
time,
because
you
know,
like
my
family
was
displaced
a
couple
times
with
development
on
the
north
side.
How
much
do
we
celebrate
those
structures?
And
so
I
was
wondering
is
that
what
we're
doing
here
and
the
second
question
is:
were
they
were
these
other
buildings?
A
part
of
urban
renewal.
C
F
C
No,
I
mean
it
was.
It
was
part
of
the
same
design
movement
as
this
building
and
the
one
on
fifth
avenue
and
the
one
that
used
to
be
downtown.
So
there's
there's
I
mean
I
I
did.
I
did
a
lot
of
research
on
this
nomination
too.
I
have
to
tell
you
when
I
got
it,
because
I
I
don't
know
modern
architecture
as
well
as
I
should
and
being
in
pittsburgh.
You
really
don't
get
to
see
it
all
that
much.
What
I
call
the
the
gentleman's
name
is
kai
kygasha.
C
I
believe
he
is
the
chair
of
the
modern
architecture
program
at
carnegie
mellon.
I
talked
to
him
for
about
an
hour
and
a
half
on
the
phone
about
modern,
architectural
styles
and
and
new
urbanism
and
all
this
stuff
and
he's
we
went
through
everything
and
basically
what
he
and
I
agreed
upon
is
that
that
program,
that
architecture
program
that
mellon
bank
had
was
very
unusual.
C
C
C
M
F
Is
it?
Is
it
part
of
like
a
master
plan
of
the
community
to
save
the
structure
at
all?
I
realized
in
this
area
there
was
a
few
different
master
plans
that
were
that
were
done.
Is
that
is
that
is
this
building
included.
C
M
F
N
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
one
of
our
one
of
our
speakers,
one
of
our
attendees
brittany
riley,
had
asked
for
the
same
extension
of
the
three-minute
time
that
cliff
levine
had
asked
for,
I
think,
to
be
fair.
We
need
to.
We
need
to
grant
her
that
if
she
has
additional
additional
testimony,
she
wants
to
she's.
A
All
right,
so
if
britney
I'm
sorry,
we
we
cut
you
off
after
the
three
minutes.
If
you
have
ms
strasberger
has
asked,
and
I'm
certainly
willing
to
permit
you
to
have
more
time.
So
if
there's
some
other
things
you
want
to
address,
you
can
do
so
at
this
moment.
L
I'm
here
thank
you,
councilman
and
erica.
I
appreciate
that
I
will
just
add
a
few
things.
Some
of
them
have
already
been
covered
by
my
my
colleagues.
I
was
ending
on
the
note
that
I
wanted
to
clarify
that
hrc
did
not
land
on
the
premise
that
this
structure
be
designated
because
of
its
representation
of
a
urban
renewal
or
failed
urban
renewal
period.
L
So
there's
since
been
some
clarification,
I
would
more
so
say
that
mellon
bank
updated
its
branch
after
after
the
master
plan
in
the
neighborhood
and
kind
of
in
keeping
with
the
neighborhood
being
modernized.
L
I
wanted
to
add
that
20th
century
modern
design,
because
it
refrained
from
ornament
in
favor
of
a
streamlined
approach
and
applied
enduring
materials
in
an
efficient
way.
It's
resulted
in
this
really
timeless
and
classic
effect
that
still
influences
architecture
today.
So
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
the
structure
has
aged
well
physically
and
conceptually
the
exterior
exhibits,
very
high
integrity
and
the
interiors
are
spacious
and
open,
no
matter
the
extent
to
which
vacancy
and
neglect
have
perhaps
caused
some
leaking.
So
there
is
potential
for
adaptive
reuse
for
this
structure
into
a
multiplex.
L
That
would
invite
a
variety
of
local
and
incoming
business
and
even
community
services.
Some
examples
were
shared
by
one
of
the
speakers
today.
I
did
want
to
say
that
our
committee
actually
discussed
this
with
citizens
bank
representatives
in
hopes
we
could
work
together
on
a
path
forward,
but
heard
nothing
more
from
them.
L
We've
shared
with
you
at
least
100
expressions
of
support
in
the
former
form
of
letters
and
comments
from
community
members
and
professionals,
and
just
because
the
structure
has
had
not
been
written
into
or
acknowledged
in
design.
History
to
date
does
not
mean
that
there
is
not
grounds
for
re-approaching
it
and
understanding.
In
hindsight
its
importance
to
the
architectural
fabric
of
the
region
and
to
east
liberty.
We
also
presented
to
individuals
such
as
the
larimer
consensus
group
without
a
registered
community
organization
in
east
liberty.
L
I
hope
that
we
can
work
together
to
put
something
in
place
that
really
lays
a
foundation
for
a
more
equitable
process
for
everyone
in
some
cities.
There's
an
automatic
cursory
review
for
structures
of
some
stature
that
have
reached
50
years
of
age
so
that
there
is
a
a
review
that
allows
for
the
time
and
space
for
all
interested
stakeholders
and
parties
to
put
in
their
two
cents
and
have
a
conversation
rather
than
it
becoming
contentious.
L
And
the
last
thing
I'll
mention
is
that
there
was
a
eldi
to
mention
them
again,
published
a
circulation
and
mobility
action
plan
that
was
in
2014
and
while
it
does
not
mention
the
structure
specifically,
we
did
find
that
it.
It
mentions
things
that
this
building's
character
might
retain.
For
example,
you
know
it's,
you
know
certain
kind
of
scale
and
historic
textures
on
facade,
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
revisit
that
eldi
circulation
and
mobility
plan
of
2014
just
for
some
added
context
on
what
value
this
might
have
in
the
neighborhood.
N
I've
been
briefed
by,
I
guess
both
both
parties
both
camps
on
this,
and
so
I
have
no
further
questions.
Thank
you.
D
If
you
hear
a
thud,
it's
probably
because
councilman
burgess
fell
off
his
chair,
I'm
concerned
about
process,
I'm
concerned
about
how
this
came
to
be
and.
D
I
I
I'm
gonna,
I
I'm
gonna
need
some
additional
time
to
think
through
how
this
nomination
came
to
be
and
I'll
need
some
time
to
think
about
how
this
project
this
nomination
came
to
be,
I
may,
depending
on
councilman
wilson.
I
believe
this
might
even
be
under
your
committee.
Is
that
correct?
We
I
may
have
an
off.
D
You
know
the
you
know
off-site
conversation
with
you
about
possibly
depending
on
how
members
feel
maybe
to
hold
this
a
week
to
let
members
process
all
that's,
come
down
and
have
a
clearer
understanding
of
just
exactly
what
kind
of
action
we're
taking
here,
but
I
I
I
would
be
insincere
if
I
did
not
say
I'm
concerned
about
the
process
by
which
this
came
to
the
council,
and
I
really
would
like
to
clear
my
thoughts
on
that
and
have
a
better
understanding
of
why
it's
here
and
why
we're
undertaking
this.
A
That's
okay,
so
a
couple
things,
although
it's
pretty
much
documented
that
I
am
against
designation
over
owner
descent.
So
on
that
grounds
alone,
I
would
not
support
this
denomination.
A
Secondly,
I
find
it
interesting
that
the
historic
review
commission
did
not
approve
any
of
the
reasons
that
the
nominators
asked
for
the
building
to
be
nominated.
They
did
not
find
any
of
the
things
that
they
asked
for
persuasive,
but
then
they
found
something
else
that
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
architecture
of
the
building
specifically
to
umbrella
under
other
movements
of
buildings
who
are
not
nominated
so
think
about
that
for
a
minute
they
want
to
nominate
a
building
because
it
represents
other
buildings,
they're
also
not
nominated.
A
This
doesn't
make
sense
to
me,
second
of
all,
the
community
groups
in
the
in
that,
when
they
and
that
I,
I
guess
it's
like
this,
you
know
I
always
find
it
interesting.
When
people
talk
about
community
access,
yet
they
don't
live
in
the
community.
None
of
the
speakers
live
in
east
liberty.
None
of
them
represent
a
single
group
from
east
liberty.
The
groups
that
represent
each
liberty,
the
east
liberty,
eastern
redevelopment
corporation,
the
village
collaborative,
which
is
the
recognized
community
group-
needs
liberty,
so
we
actually
do
have
an
rc
on
east
liberty.
A
None
of
them
support
the
historical
designation
of
this
building.
The
council
person
in
the
district
does
not
support
historic
nomination
of
this
building.
It
is
an
ugly
building.
If
you
go
past
and
look
at
it,
it's
absolutely
just
it.
It
has
outlived
its
usefulness
in
multiple
ways,
plus
they
already
start
demoing
the
building,
so
the
building
now
is
not
in
good
shape.
Third
of
all,
there
is
no
revenue.
There
is
no
vehicle
to
rehab
this
building.
A
There
is
no
plan
nor
money
to
rehab
it
and
restore
it,
so
that
what
we're
doing
is
now
forcing
the
owners
of
the
building
to
rehab
a
building
that
they
have
no
use
for
that
they
already
started
tearing
down
it's
like
this,
and
that
this
is.
This
is
a
crime
example
of
all.
We
have
to
change
our
law.
This
is
an
exact
example.
A
My
son
has
an
old
car.
He
came
over
earlier
today,
they're
thinking
about
buying
a
new
car.
They
have
an
old
car.
I
like
the
car,
it
has
lots
of
memories
for
me,
he's
been
driving
it
for
a
long
time.
You
know
we
went
in,
we
were
in
it
doing
a
lot
of
memorable
things,
but
it's
his
car
and
sure
do
I
have
a
right
to
say
no,
you
can't
trade
that
car
in
you
got
to
keep
that
old
car
because
I
like
it,
I'm
not
going
to
pay
for
it.
A
I
have
nothing
to
do
with
it
other
than
I
have
memories
of
it.
I
I
just
I
find
that
we
should
make
here's
what
I
think
is
fear.
Now
I
I
I
keep
waiting
not
to
introduce
the
legislation.
I
guess
I
should
go
on
to
introduce
it.
It
seems
to
me
that
if
a
city
just
decides-
and
it
can
that
a
building
is
historic
and-
and
we
should
not
force
the
owner
to
maintain
buildings
that
we
think
are
historic
when
they
don't
want
them,
we
should
buy
them.
A
We
should
offer
the
owner,
and
then
the
city
takes
responsibility
for
the
historic
nature
of
this
building.
That
we
want
to
maintain,
I
think,
that's
fair.
I
think
it's
unfair
for
people
outside
a
community
who
have
absolutely
nothing
directly
to
do
with
that
community
other
than
walking
past
or
shopping
at
the
stores
outside
of
that
community.
They
don't
live
in
the
community.
They
don't
represent
the
community
they're,
not
part
of
the
community
organizations,
but
they
know
better
than
that
community.
A
What's
in
its
best
interests,
I
have
always
found
that
to
be
highly
offensive
when
outside
organizations
go
into
a
community
and
decide
that
they
know
better
than
that
community.
What's
in
its
best
interest,
the
east
liberty
community
as
a
whole
does
not
want
this
building
designated
all
those
who
want
it
designated
live
outside
the
community.
The
historic
desert,
the
historic
review
commission
itself
did
not
even
accept
the
criteria
but
invented
this
catch-all.
Under
that
catch-all,
any
single
building
could
be
viewed
as
part
of
a
movement.
A
Anything
I
could
go
build
a
garden
house
in
my
backyard
and
say
you.
Oh
it's
historic,
because
other
people
are
my
in
in
my
in
my
block,
built,
gardens
and
I'll.
Do
is
wait.
You
know
five
years
from
now
and
50
years
from
now,
and
this
is
a
historic
thing,
because
it's
part,
although
I
didn't
nominate
anything
else,
everything
about
this
is
not
right.
So
I'm
going
to.
I
think
this
is
a
classic
example
of
historical
nominations
that
should
never
become.
The
council
should
never
be
part
of
our
consideration.
A
It
runs
counter
of
the
community's
best
interests.
It
is
at
best
a
classic
form
of
elitism,
those
outside
the
community
thinking
they
know
best
what's
best
for
the
community
and
they
use
the
power
of
the
city
to
punish
owners
of
buildings
and
punish
communities
for
their
own
pleasure.
It
is
not
right
to
do
it
this
way.
We
should
not
be
doing
this,
and
I've
been
saying
this.
Since
I've
been
a
member
of
council,
I've
been
extraordinarily
consistent,
and
so
I
will
I
will
I
am.
I
will
vehemently
oppose
this.
I
will
vote
no
this
week.
A
I
will
vote
no
next
week.
I'll
vote
work
no
three
months
from
now.
This
should
not
be
nominated,
it
should
be
torn
down
and
a
new
building,
that's
functional
and
be
in
the
best
interest
of
the
resident
should
be
enacted
in
this
place.
That's
what
I
think,
any
questions
or
any
any
other
questions
or
concerns.
A
If
not
thank
oh,
I
do
think-
and
I
do
think
you
know
the
public
for
coming.
I
thank
them
for
their
perspective
and
I
appreciate
sarah
and
all
the
great
work
they
do
on
historic
nominations
with
that.
If
there's
no
other
concern,
we
will
now
adjourn
this
public.