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A
Good
afternoon,
everybody
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
coming,
I'm
going
to
introduce
who's
here.
First,
we
have
some
very
special
guests
throughout
the
board.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
councilman
isaiah,
thomas
from
philadelphia.
Thank
you
so
much
for
making
the
drive
over
here.
It's
really
important
to
us
to
hear
from
the
actual
author
of
this,
this
legislation
that
we
have
adopted
almost
verbatim.
I
would
say
at
this
point
we
also
have
professor
david
harris
joining
us.
A
He
is
going
to
be
with
us
online
and
and
mr
harris
we're
going
to
start
with
you.
First
after
I
introduce
everybody,
because
I
know
you
have
some
time
constraints
myself.
Of
course,
we
also
have
tierra
bradford
from
aclu
tierra
welcome.
We
are
also
have
the
iconic
tim
stevens
from
bpep.
Welcome
mr
stevens
manny
nacer
is
here
from
one
hood.
Thank
you
for
being
here
autumn.
A
Red
cross
from
the
abolitionist
law
center
also
joins
us,
jesse
wozniak,
or
I
should
say
brandy,
fisher
with
the
alliance
for
police
accountability
and
we're
honored
to
have
you
all
here
and
with
councilman
thomas.
We
have
dom
miller
chief
of
staff,
who
made
sure
he
got
here
safely.
Today
we
have
cair
bradford
gray
for
gray.
Is
the
former
chief
defender
association
of
philadelphia?
A
Thank
you
for
being
here
and
did
I
miss
anybody?
Oh
I'm
sorry.
We
also
have
our
council
members
erica
strasberger,
councilman
bobby
wilson,
others
will
be
joining
us
and
our
own
author
is
joining
us
right
now,
councilman
ricky
burgess.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
So
this
meeting
is
about
police
reform,
much
anticipated
for
me.
A
You
know
we
started,
you
know
taking
us
up
when
reverend
burr
just
turned
in
his
legislation
which
mimics
philadelphia's
and
you
know
we're
going
to
talk
about
those
differences
and
we
hope
to
learn
a
lot
about
the
whole
process
and
as
as
to
what
you
went
through
councilman
thomas
in
philadelphia.
A
So
so,
with
that,
you
know
our
local
professional
from
the
university
of
pittsburgh
and
anytime,
you
read
an
article
over
police
reform,
he's
usually
headlining
it
because
he
is,
you
know,
an
expert
in
this
division
and-
and
I
will
open
it
up
to
you
for
opening
remarks,
professor
harris,
if
you're,
if
you
hear
me,
you
can
begin
anytime
you'd
like.
B
Thank
you,
councilman
coghill.
Can
everybody
hear
me,
sir?
Okay?
Thank
you
so
much
for
inviting
me.
I
have
to
start
with
a
little
bit
of
regret
because
I
have
to
go
teach
I
don't
regret
teaching,
but
I
will
have
to
leave
before
two
o'clock,
but
I
am
honored
by
your
invitation
and
the
privilege
of
talking
to
you
today.
B
I'm
the
sally
ann
cemenko,
endowed
chair
and
professor
of
law
at
the
university
of
pittsburgh,
school
of
law
and
I've
been
studying
traffic
stops
and
how
they
are
used
by
police
across
the
country
to
investigate
other
offenses,
not
for
traffic
safety,
but
other
offenses,
about
which
there
is
no
evidence
and
the
racially
disproportionate
impact
of
those
traffic
stops.
I've
been
studying
that
since
oh
gosh,
1994
or
five
that
really
dates
me.
I
know,
but
it
also
gives
me
a
little
bit
of
perspective.
B
I
am
the
author
of
I
hate
props,
but
this
is
my
book.
This
was
the
very
first
book
profiles
in
injustice
on
the
whole
phenomenon
and
I
have
written
roughly
a
dozen
different
journal
articles
about
this
subject.
Therefore,
it
is
a
great
privilege
to
be
able
to
speak
to
you
about
this
new
piece
of
legislation
which
I
applaud.
B
I
got
involved
in
this
watching
the
supreme
court
watching
the
effect
of
its
rulings
on
local
policing
and
particularly
the
effect
of
local
policing,
applying
those
rules
to
black
and
brown
communities
across
the
country.
I
saw
this
first
when
I
was
a
practicing
attorney
and
then,
when
I
was
in
the
legal
academy,
I
began
to
look
at
it
in
different
ways
and
write
about
it,
and
my
first
piece
was
published
in
1997.
B
Stop
statistics
act
the
very
first
piece
of
legislation
on
racial
profiling
in
the
united
states,
certainly
in
the
united
states
congress,
the
I
can
sum
up
for
you
in
just
a
minute,
or
so
all
of
the
research
that
I've
done
in
the
in
the
various
over
the
couple
of
decades.
I've
been
involved
in
this.
B
There
are
four
basic
points
and
I
think
they
bear
very
strongly
on
the
law
that
the
council
has
just
passed
number
one:
the
idea
that
traffic
stops
are
used
disproportionately
against
black
and
brown
people
to
investigate
things
other
than
traffic
safety
is
a
real
phenomenon
that
now
that
may
sound.
You
know
you
know
blindingly
obvious,
but
I
guarantee
you
back
when
I
sat
in
the
first
meetings
with
the
department
of
justice
in
1997
and
many
other
meetings.
It
was
not
an
accepted
fact.
It
is.
B
It
was
then
true,
and
it
is
true
now-
and
it
has
always
been
so
point
number
two-
when
police
stop
drivers
and
begin
to
use
traffic
safety
as
a
pretext
to
investigate
other
things.
B
Black
and
brown
drivers
are
more
likely
to
be
questioned
at
length
to
have
lengthier
stops
and
to
be
searched
and
to
have
their
vehicles
searched
point
number
three:
those
surges
of
black
and
brown
people
are
actually
less
productive
in
terms
of
either
arrest
or
gathering
contraband
than
searches
of
comparable
white
drivers.
It
is
exactly
the
opposite
of
what
people
seem
to
assume
when
they
justify
racial
profiling
and
point
number
four.
This
practice
causes
real
damage.
It
does
not
find
lots
of
guns
or
drugs.
B
On
the
contrary,
the
the
take
on
this
is
actually
very,
very
low,
less
than
one
percent,
for
instance,
for
guns
nationwide.
But
what
you
get
instead.
Is
you
get
the
occasional
catastrophe?
Something
like
what
happened
to
mr
leon
ford
here
in
pittsburgh?
You
get
people
sometimes
killed,
but
much
more
frequently
you
get
black
and
brown
drivers
stopped
for
no
reason,
and
they
know
why
this
goes
on.
It
is
a
story
in
every
barber
shop
in
every
family
room
across
every
kitchen
table
grandpa
father
brother
sister
have
experienced
it.
B
That
is
my
experience
listening
to
people,
so
in
the
early
days
the
objective
was
to
collect
data
on
this.
That
was
the
recommendation
in
this
article.
That
was
the
point
of
congressman
conyers
first
first
piece
of
legislation
on
this,
and
he
went
from
there
to
successive
pieces
of
legislation
in
the
congress
which
ultimately
did
not
pass
on
the
federal
level,
but
they
did
pass
in
many
states.
B
Many
police
departments,
hundreds
put
policies
in
place
prohibiting
racial
profiling
and
many
states
passed
laws.
That
said,
you
will
collect
data
and
the
thinking
around
that
time,
myself
included,
was
once
there's
data,
we'll
see
change
fast
forward
now,
15
or
so
years
and,
I'm
sorry
to
say
we
were
wrong
plenty
of
data
out
there.
Yes,
but
it
shows
the
same
practices
continuing.
B
There
is
a
phenomenal
book
written
by
a
man
named
frank
baumgartner
from
the
university
of
north
carolina
that
was
published
a
few
years
ago
called
suspect
citizens.
He
takes
all
the
data
from
north
carolina
about
20
million
traffic
stops
and
analyzes
it,
and
he
can.
He
comes
to
exactly
the
same
conclusions
that
I
came
to
in
my
book
almost
20
years
before
that
this
is
a
regular
practice.
It
is
suffered
by
black
and
brown
people
disproportionately
police
use.
B
These
stops
as
pretext
to
investigate
other
offenses,
for
which
they
have
no
evidence
like
the
presence
of
guns
or
drugs,
and
it
is
unproductive
and
damaging
entirely.
So
something
more
has
to
be
done.
It
is
absolutely
crystal
clear
to
me
that
I
was
wrong
early
on
that.
Just
collecting
the
data
and
being
able
to
make
a
solid
argument
would
be
enough.
The
practice
continues,
so
a
number
of
law
enforcement
leaders
decided
to
try
something.
I've
always
thought
a
great
way
to
learn.
B
Something
is
to
try
doing
something,
and
I
would
point
you,
first
and
foremost
to
the
police
chief
of
fayetteville
north
carolina,
harold
medlock,
who
was
aware
of
this
practice,
didn't
like
it,
wanted
his
police
officers
to
stop
focusing
on
stopping
people
for
things
like
broken
taillights
and
the
license
plate
above
the
above
the
the
light
above
the
license
plate
and
things
hanging
off
the
rear
view
mirror
which
were
used
as
pretext
to
stop
people.
He
thought
it
was
a
form
of
harassment.
B
He
didn't
want
his
department
involved
in
that
his
black
citizens
had
been
talking
about
this
forever
and
he
simply
said
to
his
officers.
No
more
of
that.
You
will
not
stop
people
for
that.
Instead,
you
will
focus
on
things
that
are
actually
dangerous,
actual
threats
to
traffic
safety.
The
upshot
was
that
black
and
brown
drivers
come
into
disproportion
out
of
disproportion
on
the
amount
of
stops
they
are
searched
must
much
less
often
it
is
more
or
less
like
what
white
drivers,
experience
and
traffic
safety
improves.
B
Crime
does
not
go
up,
so
we
can
do
this.
We
have
taken
along
with
philadelphia
in
whose
steps
we're
following
we
have
taken
a
leadership
position
here
and
honestly.
I
applaud
it.
I
know
that
there
are
some
some
good
friends
who
are
maybe
in
the
audience
there
in
our
community,
who
wanted
to
go
slower
on
this
to
have
more
discussion
on
it.
I
completely
get
that,
but
there
we
cannot
wait.
We
have
been.
B
We
have
known
for
years
in
this
town
from
the
police
department's
own
annual
reports
that
that
disproportionate
use
of
these
traffic
stops
is
one
of
the
main
things
that
simply
won't
go
away,
and
it's
a
real
thorn
in
the
side
to
members
of
the
communities
of
color.
Here
that
I
talk
to
that,
I
work
with
day
in
and
day
out,
so
we
are
on
the
right
path.
Should
we
tweak
it?
Should
we
upgrade
it?
Should
we
change
it?
B
All
those
things
would
be
revealed
by
good,
rigorous
study
of
the
data
to
be
produced
from
our
new
legal
regime.
So
that's
what
I
would
strongly
recommend
that
we
produce
collect
data
on
each
and
every
stop
see
where
there's
whether
those
disproportions
are
falling,
see
what
else
we
can
do
to
improve
the
situation.
B
B
This
does
to
trust
in
police
when
people
know
that
they
and
members
of
their
family
are
being
stopped
for
no
reason
involving
traffic
enforcement,
and
it's
all,
even
if
not
intended
this
way,
it
is
all
about
who
they
are
and
what
they
look
like,
because
it
keeps
happening
to
them.
We
must
stop
that,
and
this
is
a
good
first
step.
I
don't.
I
don't
regard
it
as
the
last
thing
the
city
should
do.
It
should
be
adjusted
as
we
get
more
information.
A
Thank
you,
professor
harris,
and
you
know
I
want
to
apologize
for
running
late
today.
I
know
you
blocked
off
a
certain
amount
of
time
and
I
wish
you
could
be
here
for
questions
when
council.
If
council
has
any
questions
for
you,
I
personally
will
tell
you.
You
know
professor
harris,
and
I
had
had
many
conversations
over
the
past
month
as
to
police
reform
and
how
we
both
see
it.
I
will
tell
you
from
my
community:
there
was
a
what
about
safety.
A
What
about
safety,
which
I
hope
you
know
I'm
sure
philadelphia
had
some
of
those
concerns
as
well.
I'm
not
going
to
say
I'm
a
complete
believer
professor
harris,
but
the
article
you
sent
me
from
north
carolina,
I'm
certainly
a
little
more.
You
know
confident
that
you
know
safety
will
not
deter
so
so
so
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
being
here
and
since
he
has
to
go,
let's
just
take
a
minute.
Does
anybody
have
anything
for
professor
harris
before
he
leaves.
A
We'll
probably
have
questions
for
you
after
you
leave,
but
you
know
well.
B
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
those
by
email
in
writing,
whatever
you
like
and
I
I
do
apologize,
but
in
my
world
students
come
first.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity.
I
really
do
appreciate
that
a
lot.
C
Coghill
I
would
like
to
thank
david
for
his
consistency,
persistency
and
faith
in
this
effort.
He's
been
there
for
decades,
and
I
appreciate
having
been
a
partner
with
him
on
our
task
force
and
for
his
continued
involvement,
and
hopefully
all
of
council
will
listen
to
his
wisdom.
A
Thank
you
doc.
Thank
you,
professor
harris.
I
let
the
record
be
shown
we're
joined
by
our
esteemed
council.
President.
Miss
teresa
kill
smith.
Thank
you
for
for
coming
out
and
listening
sure
no
problem.
Now
you
know
I
I
full
disclosure,
I
you
know
councilman
thomas
and
I
had
a
conversation
before
we
came
out
here
and
I
informed
him.
I
was
the
only
one
who
did
not
vote.
It
was
an
eight
to
one
vote
as
to
you
know
this
legislation.
A
My
reason
for
that
was
mainly
and
mostly
around
the
public
process.
You
know
I
didn't
feel
like
we
had
enough
public
process,
so
councilman
thomas,
you
know
in
your
remarks
I'd
like
to
know
a
little
bit
about
your
public
process
and
you
know
just
everything
you
can
entail
for
us.
The
the
floor
is
yours
again.
We
thank
you
for
being
here.
We
were
all
looking
forward
to
hearing.
You
know
how
and
why
and
how
you
got
it
to
pass
in
philadelphia
and
any
complications
that
might
arise
that
you
may
see.
Thank
you.
D
Excuse
me
good
afternoon,
everybody
first
and
foremost.
Thank
you.
Excuse
me,
I'm
sorry,
thank
you,
councilmember
coghill,
for
inviting
me
and
hosting
this
important
conversation.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
meet
so
many
phenomenal
legislators
and
see
the
great
city
of
pittsburgh.
So,
first
and
foremost,
thank
you
for
having
me,
of
course,
to
your
esteemed
council
president.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
be
in
your
space.
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you're
doing.
D
I
have
to,
of
course
say
thank
you
to
council,
member
and
reverend
burgess,
the
sponsor
of
the
bill,
of
course
joined
by
council
member
wilson
as
well.
So
thank
you
and
I
have
to
say
a
big
shout
out
to
my
good
friend
council
member
strausberger
and
the
great
work
that
you're
doing
it's
been
an
honor
to
work
with
you
and
serve
across
the
commonwealth.
As
we
begin
to
look
at
what
police
reform
looks
like
in
the
commonwealth
of
pennsylvania.
D
Before
I
go
into
my
comments,
I
do
want
to
just
communicate
for
those
that
are
listening
and
those
that
are
in
the
audience
the
philadelphia
city
council
structure.
So
we
can
understand
some
of
the
dynamics
between
the
two
cities,
because
I
think
that
that's
an
important
component
in
today's
conversation,
so
philadelphia
is
a
city
of
about
1.5,
1.6
million
people.
Our
city
council
is
made
up
of
17
total
people.
We
have
10
councilmatic
districts,
we
have
seven
at
large
council
seats.
D
Five
at
large
council
seats
are
reserved
for
the
majority
party
in
philadelphia
like
pittsburgh,
that's
democrats
and
then
there
are
two
council
seats
that
are
at
large
that
are
reserved
for
the
minority
party
in
philadelphia.
Our
council
salary
is
about
a
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
We
have
about
twenty
plus
committees,
as
it
relates
to
our
city
council.
Each
member
of
city
council
is
responsible
for
chairing
and
vice
chairing
a
committee.
D
I
personally
serve
as
the
chair
of
the
streets
and
services
committee,
as
well
as
the
vice
chair
for
the
children
and
youth
committee.
Last
but
not
least,
the
leadership
structure
as
it
relates
to
our
city
council
in
philadelphia,
is
we
have
a
council
president.
We
have
a
majority
leader,
we
have
a
majority
whip.
D
We
have
a
deputy
whip
as
well
as
a
minority
leader,
so
I
thought
that
that
context
was
really
important,
so
we
can
understand
the
difference
between
the
cities
that
we
represent
and
the
work
that
we're
required
to
do
as
legislators
when
we
look
at
the
drive
and
equality
bill,
specifically,
the
the
three
areas
that
I
really
wanted
to
address
was
the
problem,
the
process
and,
of
course,
the
solution,
which
is
where
we
are
right.
D
Now,
I'm
not
going
to
talk
too
much
about
the
problem,
because
I
think
professor
harris
did
a
good
job
of
laying
out
what
the
issues
are,
and
I
think
that
we
all
recognize
what
the
issues
are
and
if
we
didn't,
we
wouldn't
be
here
to
have
this
conversation
today.
D
What
I
will
say
is,
like
professor
harris,
I
too
put
the
children
first
as
someone
who
coaches
high
school
someone
who's
a
teacher
by
trade
for
those
of
you
out
here
who
are
sports
folks,
I
still
sit
on
the
board
for
the
piaa
of
philadelphia,
we're
district
12..
So
often
we
talk
to
pi
double
a
representatives
out
here,
because
we
face
similar
issues
as
it
relates
to
representing
and
working
with
disadvantaged
children,
which
we
all
represent
in
our
two
different
cities.
D
D
I
am
someone
who
grew
up
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
during
the
stop
and
first
era,
I'm
37
years
old,
I've
been
driving
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
for
20
years,
and
I've
been
pulled
over
more
than
one
time
per
year,
based
on
the
20
years
that
I've
been
driving,
which
means
I've
been
pulled
over
well
over
20
times,
and
that's
just
me
as
a
driver,
let
alone
the
the
times
that
I've
been
pulled
over
as
a
companion.
D
The
data
suggests
that
in
the
city
of
philadelphia,
the
african-american
population
is
less
than
50
percent
of
the
population
in
our
city,
but
more
than
70
percent
of
the
actual
traffic
stops
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
are
targeted
towards
african
americans.
D
So
it
was
very
difficult
for
us
to
understand
why
black
people
were
disproportionately
pulled
over
and
we
also
found
alarming
stats
based
on
neighborhoods,
so
we
will
find
in
communities
and
neighborhoods
where
black
people
clearly
were
not
the
majority
in
that
particular
community
as
it
relates
to
the
residents
in
that
area,
they
were
still
significantly
more
likely
to
be
stopped
as
pass-through
drivers
in
those
particular
communities.
D
So
again,
we
recognize
that
this
is
a
national
problem.
If
folks
have
questions
a
little
later
throughout
the
course
of
our
dialogue.
Today,
with
me
from
philadelphia,
is
our
former
chief
public
defender,
kierra,
bradford
gray
and
her
office?
Is
the
office
that
analyzed
the
data
as
well
as
work
with
the
coalition
that
we
were
able
to
put
together
to
be
able
to
pass
drive
inequality,
and
so,
with
that
being
said,
I'll
go
into
the
process.
D
We
introduced
a
bill
well
over
a
year
ago
and
the
bill
was
originally
introduced
in
its
original
form
to
put
us
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
start
the
conversation
around
motor
vehicle
co-stops
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
Upon
its
introduction,
we
took
the
time
to
communicate
to
other
council
members
to
get
enough
co-sponsors
for
the
legislation
so
that
it
could
survive
a
mayor's
veto.
D
If
we
were
not
going
to
use
an
in-person
or
tangible
officer
as
a
release
to
enforcement,
and
so
after
we
introduced
the
bill
in
its
original
version,
we
actually
approached
the
mayor
as
well
as
the
police,
commissioner,
and
we
asked
them
to
work
with
us
to
join
a
coalition
to
create
a
working
group
along
with
the
public
defender's
office
and
the
community
stakeholders.
So
we
could
come
together
as
a
collective
to
determine
what
we
felt
like
would
be.
Motor
vehicle
code
stops
that
we
could
live
with.
D
That
would
not
impact
public
safety
from
a
negative
perspective,
but
would
simultaneously
address
the
civil
rights
violations
that
we're
concerned
with,
as
it
relates
to
people
of
color
being
disproportionately
pulled
over.
That
coalition
did
come
together
and
worked
together
for
over
a
year
and
we
were
able
to
come
up
with
seven
motor
vehicle
code
violations.
Actually,
I
shouldn't
say
seven:
it
was
originally
eight
voter
motor
vehicle
code
violations
that
we
all
felt
like.
We
could
agree
upon
once
the
working
group
had
the
eight
motor
vehicle
code
violations.
D
I
then
returned
a
new
bill
back
to
my
colleagues
and
council
and
that
new
legislation
actually
was
one
that
was
supported
by
most
of
my
colleagues.
But
there
still
raised
some
concerns,
and
so
once
the
bill
went
into
committee
and
we
begin
to
do
deep
dialogue
as
it
relates
to
the
legislative
body,
we
determined
that
it
should
be
seven
motor
vehicle
violations
and
the
one
motor
vehicle
code.
D
That
would
put
us
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
use
technology
more
than
what
we
currently
do.
So
the
bill
was
then
passed
out
of
committee.
Oh
no,
I'm
sorry.
The
bill
was
introduced
prior
to
this
summer
of
2021,
and
we
did
that
strategically,
because
we
wanted
to
take
the
entire
summer
of
2021
to
have
listening
sessions
throughout
the
course
of
the
city
of
philadelphia
and
that's
just
what
we
did.
We
did
them
live
on
the
radio
we
did
zooms.
D
We
had
different
mcs,
we
included
the
press,
we
sent
out
press
release
and
we
spent
the
entire
summer
engaging
in
dialogue,
answering
questions
and
putting
the
constituents
to
the
city
of
philadelphia
in
a
position
where
they
were
able
to
participate
in
a
dialogue,
but
most
importantly,
that
they
were
informed
and
comfortable
with
the
direction
that
we
were
moving
in
that
fall.
The
bill
was
passed
out
of
committee
committee
and
eventually
passed
into
law,
as
it
relates
to
the
city
of
philadelphia.
D
D
Yet
because
law
enforcement
asked
for
90
to
120
days
for
training
for
the
police
department
in
the
city
of
philadelphia,
which
is
a
police
force,
that's
well
over
6
000
officers,
so
the
bill
is
scheduled
to
be
implemented
into
law
february
24th,
which
is
about
nine
days
from
now,
might
be
eight
now,
when
you're
a
council
member,
sometimes
right
those
days
just
kind
of
cloud
each
other.
But
we're
excited
that
in
the
next
couple
weeks
the
legislation
will
officially
be
implemented
into
law.
D
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
any
of
my
colleagues
across
the
commonwealth
may
have.
More
importantly,
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
what
I
said
in
the
beginning,
where
I
just
really
want
to
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
be
here
to
communicate
my
perspective,
to
communicate
the
process
that
we
went
through
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
and
to
observe
the
great
city
of
pittsburgh
myself.
Thank
you
for
having
me.
A
Thank
you,
councilman
thomas.
I
really
appreciate
that
and
you
know
I
started
out.
I
had
this.
You
know
very
structured,
but
we
were
running
late
and
we
got
a
late
start.
So
you
know
things
have
changed.
So
what
I
would
like
to
do
right
now
is,
while
I
know
councilwoman
strasburger
has
a
commitment
and
anybody
who
has
a
commitment
on
our
council.
I
just
want
to
take
the
time
and
direct
any
questions
to
mr
thomas
before
you
go.
Councilwoman
strasberger.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
I
really
want
to
commend
you
for
being
someone
who
is
you
know,
was
the
the
sort
of
sold
no
vote
on
this
bill,
actually
taking
the
time
to
dig
in
and
learn
more,
and
I
hope
you
know
changing
your
mind
on
this
bill
and
getting
to
a
point
where
you
can.
You
can
feel
that
it's
both
protective
and
safe.
E
You
know
that
it's
true,
truly
accomplishing
public
safety
council
member
thomas,
it's
been
such
a
pleasure
working
with
you
on
sort
of
items
that
we
can.
You
know
we
we
can
both
work
on
across
the
commonwealth
and
I'm
comparing
notes
with
other
cities,
and
I
really
appreciate
your
convening
of
city
leaders
from
across
the
commonwealth
on
public,
safe
matters
of
public
safety,
and
I
guess
you
know
I
don't
have
a
specific
question.
I
guess
my
only
comment
is
that
I
think
there's.
E
Even
though
this
bill
is
already
passed,
you
can
always
open
it
back
up
again.
We
can
always
look
at
you
know
further
amending
it
and
I,
I
think
it
would
be
worthwhile
for
us
to
have
a
conversation
at
today's
table,
even
though
it
won't
be
able
to
stay
about
companion
legislation
that
might
not
have
been
passed
along
with
this
bill
in
particular,
but
that
has
passed
already
by
by
this
chamber
by
this
body,
such
as
a
data
and
transparency
bill
around
public
safety
and
others
that
have
come
out.
E
Most
of
all,
though,
is
the
is
the
public
awareness
and
public
communication
transparency
that
you
took
that
you
took
on
yourself
and
with
your
colleagues
in
philadelphia,
so
that
you
know,
as
we
work
to
maybe
make
some
changes
to
this
legislation,
but
also,
I
think,
more
importantly,
just
get
the
buy-in
from
from
from
as
many
partners
who
have
really
strong
opinions
about
this
and
have
lived
experiences
as
possible
that
were,
there
were
emulating
you
any.
E
I
guess
one
question
is
any
any
lessons
learned
from
the
experience
that
you
had
when
you
took
it
out
to
the
community
that
you
would
share
with
us
as
we
as
we
go
through
that
exercise.
I
think.
D
One
of
the
biggest
lessons
learned
was
how
much
misinformation
is
passed
to
people
as
it
relates
to
the
impact
that
motor
vehicle
co-stops
have
on
public
safety
in
the
city
of
philadelphia,
and
our
former
chief
public
defender
can
dive
into
this
a
little
bit
more.
We
looked
at
a
year
where
we
examine
over
300
000
motor
vehicle
cool
stops
and
what
we
found-
and
I
say
this
because,
as
elected
officials,
we
know
sound
bites
are
important.
D
We
found
that
less
than
one
percent
of
the
time
when
someone
was
actually
pulled
over
did
police
find
some
type
of
weapon
in
or
contraband.
When
we
look
specifically
at
the
motor
vehicle
code,
traffic
stops
that
are
involved
in
the
legislation,
and
so
we
say
less
than
one
percent,
because
we
know
that
sounds
better,
but
the
reality
is
it
was.
D
It
was
point
seventeen
percent
of
the
time
right
so
you're
not
talking
about
less
than
one
percent
you're
talking
about
less
than
two
point,
five
less
than
point
two
five
percent
of
the
time,
so
just
dispelling
the
myth
that
motor
vehicle
code
stops
have
a
positive
impact
on
public
safety.
Was
the
biggest
lesson
learned
of
really
getting
people
in
the
position
to
really
understand
how
random
it
is
to
decide
that
you're
going
to
pull
someone
over
and
think
that's
going
to
be
a
mechanism
to
deter
crime
in
the
city
of
philadelphia?
D
Over
the
last
two
years,
we've
seen
a
record
amount
of
homicides
taking
place
in
the
city
of
philadelphia,
and
during
that
time,
police
were
permitted
to
pull
over
and
stop
as
many
people
as
they
wanted
to,
and
we
seen
that
that
did
not
deter
some
of
the
crime
issues
that
we're
facing,
like
other
big
cities
across
the
country.
We're
also
seeing
the
increase
as
it
relates
to
motor
vehicle
codes
being
stu
motiva
motor
vehicles
being
stolen
right.
D
So
we
know
that
this
type
of
policing,
not
only
does
it
not
deter
crime,
but
I
think,
most
importantly
with
what
professor
harris
talked
about
was
it
actually
has
a
negative
impact
on
the
relationships
between
communities
of
color,
poor
communities
and
law
enforcement.
So,
in
reality,
what
it
does
is
it
it
actually
makes
crime
worse,
because
now
people
are
less
likely
to
cooperate
and
rely
on
law
enforcement
than
what
they
would
be
if
they
did
not
have
some
of
the
negative
experiences
that
they've
had
with
motor
vehicle
co-stops.
D
Unfortunately,
for
far
too
many
people
of
color,
their
first
introduction
into
law
enforcement
is
a
motor
vehicle
code
stop
and
we
have
data
that
essentially
shows
that.
So
we
are
concerned
about
some
of
the
negative
narratives
out
there
as
it
relates
to
public
safety,
but
we
feel
obligated
to
provide
as
much
education
and
information
as
possible
and
a
big
part
of
that
is
the
support
that
we
have
from
the
police
department
from
the
police.
Commissioner,
as
well
as
the
mayor
and
the
mayor's
administration.
A
Councilman
thomas,
thank
you
now.
If
other
council
members
don't
have
any
other
obligations,
I'd
rather
get
into
the
rest
of
you.
Would
you
like
to
go
thompson
wilson?
Okay,
sure
you
know
what
I'll
turn
that
over
to
councilman
wilson
for
questions
I'll,
be
sure.
F
Whenever
I
saw
the
report,
which
was
an
internal
report
that
we
received
from
our
public
safety
data
analyst,
was
that
I
believe
the
graph
started
around
2016
2017
and
it
showed
all
traffic
took
into
account
all
traffic
stops.
That
would
relate
to
the
bill
in
and
it
kind
of
put
everyone
who
was
arrested.
F
You
know,
based
on
that,
you
know.
Basically
the
stop
turned
into
an
arrest
and
from
2016
to
around
2020
seventy
percent.
Now
the
rest
were
small.
You
know
the
amount
of
rest
of
the
turn
that
you
know
started
as
a
traffic
stop
and
then
I'm
sorry,
the
amount
of
traffic
stops
that
turned
into
an
arrest.
It
was
a
small
small
number.
Comparatively
I
mean
the
numbers
were
disproportionately.
F
You
know
more
black
people
were
pulled
over
than
white
given
a
given
that
our
population
of
black
people
was
27
20,
23
percent,
23,
23
23.33,
so
70
to
80
of
the
arrests
were
black
from
2016
to
2020
in
2021
we
were
about
100.,
so
all
arrests
were
individuals
that
are
black,
and
so
it
really
wrap
my
head
around
the
urgency
to
try
and
understand
what's
going
on
here
and
that's
largely
why
I
was
supportive.
F
I
was
supportive
initially
when
I
was
introduced,
but
really
it's
you
know
concerning,
and
you
know
my
question
is:
just
did
you
all
that
did
did
like
the
city
of
philadelphia
and
all
the
legislators.
They
look
at
that
data
as
well
in
terms
of
like
what
type
of
arrest
that
was,
because
in
pittsburgh,
likely
probably
like
philadelphia
besides
traffic
stops,
we're
looking
at
you
know
all
ways
to
improve
the
public
safety.
D
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
question
and
I'm
even
happier
that
chief
public
former
chief
public
defender,
ciara
bradford
gray,
is
with
us
because
her
office
analyzed
that
data
front
to
back,
and
she
was
probably
more
equipped
to
answer
that
question
around
the
data
and
the
impact
of
the
data
she
public
defender.
G
G
It
should
never
get
to
that
point,
so
it
just
really
showed
us
the
magnitude
of
the
issue,
but
I
think
that
a
data
analysis
around
the
types
of
arrests
that
were
being
introduced
into
the
system
who's
being
introduced
in
the
system.
For
what
and
what
led
to
that
introduction
in
the
system
is
something
that
we
need
to
look
at,
because
the
impact
of
that
introduction
has
dire
consequences,
especially
in
pennsylvania
for
life,
and
I
really
do
mean
that
when
someone
is
convicted
of
a
crime,
that
is
a
lifetime
conviction
here
in
pennsylvania.
F
Thank
you.
I
just
really
just
had
that
initial
question.
I
know
I
want
to
stay
for
as
long
as
I
can
with
all
the
great
information
so,
but
I
just
want
to
get
the
one
question
I
had
in.
Thank
you
sure
thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you
councilman
wilson.
I
want
to
say
I
just
want
to
take
a
couple
minutes
myself
and
I
want
to
be
honest
with
you.
I
wanted
law
enforcement
at
the
table.
I
just
feel
like
law
enforcement
should
be
at
the
table
because
of
safety
concerns
things
of
that
nature.
A
Much
to
my
dismay,
law
enforcement
is
skeptical
and
scared
to
come
to
the
table.
Okay,
for
whatever
reasons
you
know,
maybe
it's
afraid
to
say
the
same
wrong
thing,
but
the
law
enforcement
I
speak
to
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
they're
for
most
of
these
police
reforms
that
that
we're
talking
about
today,
but
I
did
want
to
bring
three
things
up,
that
I
hear
from
law
enforcement,
and
I
want
to
be
clear.
I
don't
speak
for
law
enforcement.
A
I
speak
to
law
enforcement,
though
okay,
I
have
my
family
background
and
just
you
know
the
force
I
know
very
well.
A
lot
of
them
live
in
my
district
first
and
foremost,
and
I'm
sure
you
have
us
in
philadelphia,
councilman
thomas
relating
around
that
we
have
here
in
pittsburgh.
Nine
other
different
agencies,
including
the
county
and
university
of
pittsburgh,
and
different
police
departments,
okay,
which
we
don't
feel
at
least
I
don't
at
least
the
policemen.
I
talk
to,
don't
feel
that
they
are
going
to.
You
know
fall
in
suit
with
us.
A
So
that's
a
concern.
I
know
it's
a
concern
of
many
police
chiefs.
I've
talked
to
many
of
the
police
officers.
I've
talked
to
as
to
the
confusion.
Maybe
I
guess
when
we're
driving
around
and
somebody
has
a
headlight
out
and
they
they're
pulled
over
by
a
university
police
officer.
You
know
and
just
not
being
in
suit.
Not
so
so
I
didn't
know
if
you
had
a
process,
did
you
speak
to
your
other
agencies?
Are
they
also
in
line
with
your
your
law?
Or
is
it
you
know?
D
In
philadelphia,
we
do
have
a
number
of
different
partners
who
are
responsible
for
policing
neighborhoods.
We
have
the
philadelphia
housing
authority
and
they
have
police
officers
specifically
under
their
jurisdiction.
We
have
universities
such
as
university
of
pennsylvania
and
temple,
and
they
have
police
under
their
jurisdiction,
but
fortunate
for
us.
Those
organizations
and
entities
are
responsible
for
contracting
with
the
city
of
philadelphia,
any
laws
that
we
make
as
a
municipality.
Those
entities
and
organizations
are
responsible
for
making
sure
that
their
law
enforcement
officers
are
complying
with
them.
D
Now,
when
we
talk
about
out
of
our
jurisdiction
officers
such
as
state
police
or
federal
police,
when
you
look
at
the
entire
gamut
of
all
of
the
things
that
law
enforcement
are
responsible
for
right,
and
I
would
argue
that
we
asked
police
to
do
too
much
right.
But
when
you
look
at
the
entire
gamut
of
all
of
the
things
law
enforcement
are
responsible
for
when
you're
talking
about
outside
police
officers,
such
as
state
or
federal
police
officers,
often
when
you're
asking
them
to
come
into
your
town
or
in
your
jurisdiction.
D
It's
not
traffic
stops
that
has
gotten
out
of
control
to
the
point
where
you're
actually
going
to
come.
You're
normally
asking
them
to
come
to
address
serious
crimes,
and
so
we're
optimistic
that
we
will
be
able
to
maintain
relationships
with
state
and
federal
partners,
because
anytime,
we
need
them
to
come
into
the
city
of
philadelphia.
The
focus
is
not
around
traffic
and
traffic
enforcement.
D
We
spend
anywhere
from
10
to
30
million
dollars
a
year
on
lawsuits
and
payouts
as
a
municipality
and
a
lot
of
those
lawsuits
start
with
the
motor
vehicle
coal
violation.
So
we
want
to
be
more
efficient
as
a
city,
we
want
to
put
our
police
in
a
position
where
they
can
be
a
little
more
successful
than
the
things
that
we're
asking
them
to
enforce
right
now
and
we
feel
like
moving
away
from
minor
traffic
violations,
which
cost
us
the
equivalence
of
one
officer
working
for
eight
and
a
half
years
consecutively.
D
That's
how
much
time
we
spend
in
one
year
on
traffic
stops.
We
feel,
like
it'll,
put
us
in
a
position
where
our
city
will
be
more
efficient,
we'll
improve
our
relationships
with
communities
of
color,
and
hopefully
we
get
to
the
position
where
we
will
not
have
to
rely
on
outside
law
enforcement
unless
as
much
as
we
do
currently.
A
Absolutely-
and
I
will
say
we
welcome
that
in
the
way
of
you
know,
our
police
respond
from
everything
from
a
bark
dog
barks
too
loud
to
somebody.
That's
stepped
over
their
line
and
their
property,
so,
and
and
and
even
professor
harris
and
many
conversations
I've
had
with
him.
He
has
noted
that
you
know
the
fact
that
we
take
our
police
officers
and
we
get
them
doing
the
things
we
really
need
them
to
do
and
not
worry
about.
A
The
minor
traffic
stops
is
very
welcoming
and,
I
will
say
within
the
police
community
here
it
is
welcoming
too
you
know.
So
the
other
thing
was
you
know
like.
Are
we
gonna
be?
Are
we
allowed
meaning
and
reverend?
Maybe
you
can
answer
this?
Are
we
going
to
be
backing
up
so,
for
instance,
if
a
state
police
officer
pulls
somebody
over
on
one
of
our
state,
roads
lie
within
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
care.
A
If
you
could
answer
this,
it'd
be
great
to
will
our
pittsburgh
police
still
back
them
up
without
breaking
an
ordinance
meaning?
You
know
a
state
trooper
pulls
somebody
over.
They
call
for
backup,
sometimes
just
normally
or
naturally,
if
it's
a
wet.
You
know
you
know
dangerous
day
as
far
as
inclement
weather,
they
just
want
more
lights
there
and
somebody
to
back
them
up,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
have
that
issue
or
if
you've
addressed
that
or
rev.
A
Maybe
you
could
speak
to
that
and
that's
it
for
me
and
then
I'm
going
on
the
other
guest.
If
anybody
could
address
that
I'll.
D
Go
first
and
then,
if
you
don't
mind
cheap,
I
mean
what
I'll
say
is
this
just
speaking
from
lived
experience,
you
know,
I
consider
myself
somewhat
of
an
expert
at
being
pulled
over
by
law
enforcement.
Very
rarely
will
you
be
pulled
over
by
a
state
trooper
for
motor
vehicle
co-violation.
That
is
not
a
direct
public
safety
hazard
right.
D
That
would
impair
the
vision,
one
tail
light
being
now
right
because
that's
really
important
to
think
about,
especially
with
newer
model
costs,
but
I
think
the
one
that
would
maybe
touch
some
of
our
state
officers
is
the
60-day
grace
period
on
expired
registration
and
so
for
us
we're
actively
exploring
exactly
what
that's
going
to
look
like.
D
I
definitely
will
pass
it
to
pub
chief
former
chief
public
defender,
kiera
bradford
gray,
but
I
do
want
to
note
that
again,
when
you're
looking
at
this
idea
of
bringing
in
state
troopers
and
for
you
in
your
county,
it
might
be
different
than
us
and
the
philadelphia
county.
Our
municipality
is
also
our
county,
so
it
may
be
different
for
us.
D
We
we
do
welcome
state
partners,
we
do
want
law
enforcement
to
be
able
to
address
crime
and
other
issues.
Unfortunately,
we
recognize
that
traffic
stops
do
not
address
crime,
we're
100
sure
the
data
tells
us
that
pulling
more
people
over
does
not
put
us
in
a
position
to
deter
the
crime
that
we
see
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
and
for
us
during
the
time
of
negotiation,
as
it
relates
to
the
coalition.
We
talked
to
a
number
of
different
cities
all
across
the
country
right.
D
I've
talked
to
folks
in
oakland,
and
I've
testified
in
oakland
city
council,
not
just
about
what
we're
doing
in
philadelphia
but,
most
importantly
about
the
model
that
they
implemented
to
address
the
issue
of
people
of
color
being
disproportionately
pulled
over
so
big
cities
all
across
the
country
are
acknowledging
this
as
a
problem,
but,
more
importantly,
trying
to
identify
the
fabric
and
dna
of
legislation
that
particularly
applies
to
their
municipality
that
they
can
implement
to
be
able
to
deter.
Some
of
these
stops.
G
Yeah
well.
Well,
I
thank
you
for
that
comment
because
I
think
that's
an
area
that
needs
to
be
further
explored
will
police
run
to
follow
their
own
policies
if
they're
called
in
to
back
up
a
state
law
enforcement
officer-
and
my
answer
to
that
is-
I
don't
know,
but
what
I
do
think
that
this
dialogue
will
lead
into
better
policy
for
our
entire
commonwealth,
and
I
do
know
that,
right
now
the
pennsylvania
state
law
enforcement
community
is
working
with
the
community
advisory
commission.
G
I
am
on
that
commission
to
really
look
at
better
practices
and
policies
in
our
commonwealth,
as
it
relates
to
policing
if
local
jurisdictions
are
starting
to
ask
police
for
assistance
and
starting
to
let
them
know
that
in
our
locality
we
have
decided
that
this
is
not
an
effective
policing
tool.
Then
I
would
expect
and
hope
that
the
pennsylvania
police
state
police
will
adopt
the
same
policies.
So
I
think
this
is
the
beginning
of
a
very
good
dialogue.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
hashed
out.
G
D
You
can
I
miss
the
chair
of
you.
I
just
want
to
add
two
more
things
and
then
I
promise
I'll
be
done.
The
first
thing
is
our
bill
is
mayor
with
a
data
component,
which
is
part
of
the
requirement,
as
it
relates
to
motor
vehicle
co-stops
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
So
now,
when
someone
is
pulled,
over
police
will
be
required
to
communicate
everything
that
took
place
with
the
net
stop,
including
the
demographic
of
the
person,
while
they
were
pulled
over
where
they
were
pulled
over
in
the
end
results
of
that
traffic.
Stop.
D
We
feel,
like
that's
important,
first
and
foremost,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
new
traffic
stops
are
not
being
used
as
a
means
to
violate
people's
civil
rights,
but
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
having
any
negative
impacts
on
public
safety.
It's
one
thing
for
me
to
sit
here
and
say
these
bills
will
not
have
a
negative
impact
on
public
safety.
D
It's
another
thing
for
us
to
have
the
build
that
has
that
a
requirement
to
be
communicated
to
all
of
us
so
that
all
of
the
public
can
analyze
what's
taking
place
during
the
traffic
stop.
So
we
can
assess
what
type
of
impact
is
having
on
our
particular
municipalities
and,
of
course,
as
legislators,
we
all
know
we
can
offer
amendments
or
different
recommendations
to
be
able
to
modify
the
legislation
even
after
it's
passed
into
law.
D
We
feel
like
if
they
can
do
that
in
communities
that
are
not
necessarily
in
communities
of
color
and
do
not
see
an
increase
in
their
insurance
right,
because
that's
another
myth
that's
out
there
is
that
your
insurance
will
increase,
and
we
know
that.
That's
not
true,
because
we
know
there
are
communities
that
are
not
communities
of
color
where
they
use
technology
to
enforce
things
like
speeding,
we're
optimistic
that
we're
going
to
be
successful
in
the
work
that
we're
doing,
but
we
have
to
be
positive,
and
so
that's
why
the
data
bill
is
really
important.
D
But,
more
importantly,
that's
why
we
have
to
monitor
the
use
of
technology,
because
what
we
don't
want
is
ill-advised
consequences
which
include
communities
of
color
and
or
poor
communities
than
being
disproportionately
ticketed,
because
the
technology
and
the
technology
equipment
exists
more
in
community,
poor
communities
and
communities
of
color.
So
we
are
monitoring
the
process
and
that's
one
of
the
ill-advised
consequences
that
we
are
paying
attention
to
and
we
want
to
ensure
do
not
have
a
negative
impact
on
our
constituents
in
philadelphia.
D
A
A
Don't
don't
feel
bad
about
jumping
in
that's
why
you're
here?
Okay,
so
we
want
you
to
say
all
you
need
to
say
before
you
go
today.
Just
on
a
personal
note,
you
know
I
want
to
say,
like
reverend
burgess,
I
feel
a
calling
to
be
involved
in
police
reform.
You
know
and
I
want
to
be
involved
in
so
many
different
ways.
I
thank
you
for
bringing
this
to
the
table
and
now
I
hope
it's
gratifying
to
you
that
it's
catching
hold
in
some
other
major
cities,
at
least
in
pennsylvania.
A
You
know,
however,
I
feel
like
there's
so
many
other
avenues.
You
know
as
councilman
wilson
mentioned
about
the
arrest
records
you
know
and
councilwoman
gross,
and
I've
talked
about
this.
You
know
many
times
as
to
warrants
bench
warrants.
You
know
you
can
get
a
ver.
You
served
a
bench
warrant
if
you
don't
show
up
for
court,
for
you
know
an
unpaid
traffic
ticket
or
lack
of
paying
child
support.
A
I
think
that's
just
another
avenue
it's
not
for
today.
I
don't
think
necessarily
for
me
to
talk
about,
but
oh
good,
great
great.
So
so
so
you
know,
I
just
think.
That's
just
one
of
many
other
avenues
that
we
can
look
into
and
I
think
the
arrest,
I
think
the
facts
may
show
their
arrest
records
why
black
people
are
being
arrested
more
besides.
The
disproportionate
pullovers
are
probably
from
bench
warrants
or
warrants
of
some
sort.
A
So
just
another
avenue
to
look
into,
and
you
know
councilman
thomas,
you
know
we'll
work
hand
in
hand
with
you
once
we
get
to
something
but
councilwoman
gross.
A
I
told
you,
I
was
gonna,
drag
her
into
police
reform
and
go
ahead.
The
four
of
you.
H
Yeah
I
appreciate
it,
so
this
is
right.
I
was
just
trying
to
find
my
reference
materials
apologize.
I
don't
have
them
in
front
of
me,
but
we
know
in
our
allegheny
county
jail
that
the
entire.
Basically,
the
entire
population,
has
never
been
convicted
of
a
crime
right
they're.
Just
there
waiting.
Some
people
are
waiting
for
years,
while
incarcerated
for
their
day
in
court.
H
We
also
know
that
they're
by
and
large,
but
you
might
be
able
to
speak
better
to
this.
If
then,
I
don't
have
the
numbers
in
front
of
me.
Thank
you
that
oftentimes
it's
functioning
here
in
allegheny
county,
like
a
debtor's
prison.
H
So
we
have
a
lot
to
untangle
here.
It
is
it's
there's,
a
fear
that
I
haven't
many
people
share
and
our
advocate
community
has
really
brought
this
forward
to
us
to
this
table.
I
think
it's
rightful
to
be
highlighting
the
problems
in
our
criminal
justice
system,
which
we
don't
have
control
of
at
this
table.
We
are
not
the
county,
we
are
just
the
city
but
to
any
extent
that
we
can
remove
our
involvement
from
this
disproportionately
inequitable
system
that
is
imprisoning
our
citizens.
H
I
H
So
I'm
supportive.
For
that
reason,
the
amount
of
incarceration
has
destroyed
our
city,
neighborhoods
has
destroyed
our
city's
families
and
we
can
remove
ourselves
from
at
least
a
portion
of
it
with
this
bill.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
I
I
I'm
still
concerned
about
what
more
we
can
do,
but
this
is
one
thing
that
we
know
we
had
some
control
over.
H
Have
you
started
to
untangle
that
interaction
effect
like
support
that,
especially
what
kind
do
you
have
numbers
on
kind
of
what
kinds
of
warrants
are
being
issued
and
since
you
are
a
county
well,
we
are
not
kind
of
what
role
your
courts
are
playing
in
the
issuance
of
those
warrants.
G
Yeah
I
can.
I
can
speak
to
that.
Those
are
really
great
questions
and
right
now
we
are
seeing
a
choice
in
terms
of
priorities
on
issuing
warrants
in
philadelphia
because
of
the
slowing
down
of
the
system
and
the
court's
process
due
to
kovitz.
So
there
are
priority,
shifting,
which
really
looks
at
what's
going
to
get
us
closer
to
advancing
public
safety.
What
are
the
warrants
that
are
more
troubling,
so
we're
seeing
warrants
that
have
to
do
with
bodily
or
bodily
harm
or
physical
injury
to
another
that
are
being
enforced.
G
Probation
warrants
where
someone
who
has
been
charged
with
certain
offenses
has
not
come
in,
and
you
know
those
are
real
right
targets
of
our
systems
resources,
because
those
are
the
things
that
are
creating
public
safety.
So,
when
you're
talking
about
things
that
you
were
owing
money
owing
a
fine
or
a
debt
with
no
violence
attached
to
it,
I
think
there's
better
ways.
We
can
serve
those
things
rather
than
using
and
taxing
our
resources,
but
also
wasting
taxpayer
dollars
by
housing.
G
People,
while
they're
losing
jobs
or
they're,
losing
losing
housing
or
they're
losing
stabilities
that
make
them
consistently
better
for
their
communities.
So
I
do
think
we're
talking
about
public
safety.
We
need
to
reorient
the
conversation
to
what
are
we
doing
that's
more
constructive
versus
destructive,
and
so
I
think
we're
seeing
right
now
with
the
with
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
we're
facing
during
coven.
That
police,
in
at
least
in
our
neighborhoods
or
our
districts,
are
improving
their
their
priorities
and
looking
in
focusing
on
more
things
that
are
creating
public
safety.
A
See
what
I
got
you
into,
I
think
I
have
a
firm
commitment
from
councilman
gross
to
look
into
this
area.
Can
we
make
that
public?
Yes,
okay,
there
you
go
no
going
back
now,
councilman
wilson!
It's.
F
Related
to
the
topic,
so
I
just
want
to
expand
on
what
we're
talking
about,
because
I
brought
up
some
data
earlier
and
the
data
was
a
little.
You
know
we
were
still
getting
it
in,
as
it
was
2021
was,
was
ending
when
this
bill
passed.
When
I
said
the
number
was
low,
I
it
was
12
arrests,
so
prior
years
might
have
been
like
20
arrests,
and
so
with
that
you
know
there
was
urgency
there,
but
also
we're
talking
about
it'll.
F
Let
this
allows
us
to
talk
about
what's
going
on,
even
in
you
know,
when
you're,
not
even
in
the
car,
you
know,
people
that
are
outside
people
that
are
homeless.
People
that
are
without
safe
housing
are
carrying
more.
You
know
there
could
be
in
situations
where
there's
far
more
arrests
that
are
happening,
at
least
in
pittsburgh,
based
on
people
that
are
outside
and
in
the
motor
vehicle
code
that
we
would
change
here.
F
So
that
spoke
to
me,
because
representing
district
one
and
with
the
amount
of
people
that
are
not
housed
and
that
are
not
in
safe
housing
and
everything,
the
city
is
doing
to
ensure
that
you
know
we
are
thinking
about
that
and
thinking
about
diversion
and
really
just
meeting
people
in
place.
F
So
we,
you
know,
have
implemented
an
outreach
program
through
a
public
health
system
out
through
allegheny
health
network,
and
so
I
just
think
t
you
know
really
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
talking
about
is
people
that
are
affected
by
the
the
you
know.
I
guess
I
might
not
know
the
exact
term,
but
the
criminal
justice
system,
and
they
there
are
there's,
definitely
other
routes
to
go.
So
I'm
not
sure
it
sounds
like
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
that
there
were
far
higher
arrests
based
on
like
they
were
used.
F
And
that's
defender,
clients
is
that
something
that
public,
as
opposed
to,
is
that
something
that
the
your
police
department
is
openly
saying
that
they
were
doing
tactically
so
they're?
Not
that's
not
what
we're!
I
don't
think
that
that's
not
what
we're
getting.
No.
D
D
My
knowledge,
no,
I
not
not
not
to
our
knowledge,
but
again
we
looked
at
a
year
where
we
examined
over
300
000
right
right
right.
You
know
just
the
fact
that
you
have
over
300
000
traffic
stops
in
a
year
and
the
fact
that
you
see
so
little
contraband
when
cars
are
searched,
and
there
are
so
far
few
arrests.
You
know
one
would
ask
yourself:
is
that
the
most
efficient
way
for
the
city
to
be
spending
his
dollars?
And
you
know
us
over
here-
we
would
argue
that
it's
not.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
councilman
wilson
and
I
just
want
to
shift
gears
a
little
bit.
You
know.
We
also
have
some
other,
very
important
guests
here
and
really
the
reason
we
that
I
called
this
post
agenda
originally
was
because
aclu
b
pep
and
the
others
I'm
going
to
introduce
didn't
quite
feel,
like
their
voices
were
being
heard
and
councilman
thomas.
A
If
you'll
just
listen
closely
as
to,
I
think
whether
it's
brandy,
I
think
they're
going
to
possibly
want
to
add
a
little
bit
to
our
bill,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
our
bill
is
identical
to
yours
other
than
the
registration
and
admission
we
have
60
days
and
then
we
then
police
officers
will
pull
somebody
over
after
a
60-day
violation.
I
think
yours
goes.
A
There
is
no
time
limit
on
that
and
we
also
have
an
annual
review,
which
I'm
glad
to
glad
to
know
you
know
as
to
you
know,
maybe
it's
a
traffic
study.
Are
there
more
pedestrians
killed
because
people
are
driving
around
without
lights,
things
of
that
nature.
So
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
I
really
wanted
to
start
in
in
no
particular
order
unless
you
all
have
any
time
constraints
any
of
you,
no
okay.
Well
tier.
You
seem
like
you're
ready
to
go.
A
Why
don't
we
you
step
up
and
with
that?
This
is
tierra
bradford
from
aclu.
J
Hi
everyone
I'm
members
of
the
city
council.
My
name
is
tierra
bradford,
I'm
a
criminal
justice
policy
advocate
for
the
aclu
pennsylvania
and
I
am
so
happy
that
other
folks
went
first
basically
took
a
lot
of
what
I
was
going
to
say
right
out
of
my
mouth.
We
echo
a
lot
of
the
comments
that
david
harris
made
earlier
at
the
beginning
of
this
meeting.
J
Fun
fact,
professor
harris,
actually,
my
professor,
when
I
was
in
law
school,
so
it's
nice
of
seeing
him
talk
so
essentially,
first
off,
I'm
happy
that
we're
having
a
real
discussion
about
these
traffic
stops
and
that
we
are
acknowledging
that
there
are
racial
disparities
in
these
traffic
stops
and
how
they
have
been
historically
used
in
a
negative
way
against
black
and
brown
communities.
I
think
that's
very
important
that
we've
said
that
and
initially
yes,
the
aclu
of
pennsylvania.
J
We
were
part
of
the
groups
who
did
want
the
legislation
to
slow
down,
but
that's
only
because,
like
professor
david
harris
was
saying
earlier,
we
want
it
more
steady
on
these
traffic
stops
like
what
yes,
these
traffic
stops
are
happening,
but
which
traffic
stops
like
what
are
the
actual
reasonings
behind
people
being
pulled
over,
and
I
think
that's
important,
because
there's
a
list
of
different
violations
that
are
now
secondary
violations
that
officers
can't
pull
people
over
for.
However,
there
wasn't
any
outreach
done
to
the
community
to
know.
J
J
I
know
that
there
is
data
out
there
around
traffic
stops
that
the
police
bureau
has
to
provide,
but
it
doesn't
go
into
very
much
detail
and
there's
not
much
analysis
around
that,
and
so
that's
you
know
we're
very
we're
happy
that
this
that
the
legislation
passed
and
we
are
fine
with
what
it
says
for
now,
but
we
very
much
want
more
data
collection,
analysis
and
study
to
be
done
to
potentially
add
different
violations
in
the
future,
because
there
might
be
other
violations
that
aren't
mentioned
that
are
actual
issues
in
communities.
J
And
so
you
know
we
wanted
that
study
and
we
did.
We
do
want
to
hear
from
folks
in
the
community.
We
want
to
hear
from
people
who
are
consistently
pulled
over
to
know
why
they
think
they're
being
pulled
over.
J
We
think
that's
very
important
and
we
hope
that's
the
next
step
that
happens
with
this
legislation
and,
additionally
again,
I'm
so
happy
that
councilman
thomas
was
able
to
speak
first
because
he
touched
on
the
complimentary
bill
that
was
passed
in
philadelphia,
and
I
think
that
is
very
important
that
we
introduced
something
similar
in
pittsburgh
to
continue
data
collection,
analysis
and
accountability
around
these
traffic
stops
not
just
collecting
data,
like
professor
harris
said,
but
actually
doing
something
about
the
data
that
we
collect.
J
So
we
think
those
two
things
are
very
important
and
I
submitted
my
materials
in
written
form.
My
comment
and
written
form,
but
also
I
was
able
to
get
a
comment
from
the
police
accountability
unit
and
from
the
philly
defenders
association,
where
they
discussed
the
importance
of
that
second
complementary
data
collection
and
accountability
bill.
So
I
we
strongly
urge
that
we
introduce
something
similar
in
pittsburgh
and
continue
to
do
studies
around
traffic
stops
and
yeah.
Those
are
my
comments,
keeping
it
short.
A
Thank
you
to
your
appreciate
you
being
here.
Next,
I'm
going
to
go
to
manny
nacer
from
what
hood
manny
you're
up.
I
Please
peace.
I
usually
speak
softly.
I'm
gonna
try
to
speak
up
happy
to
be
here.
As
you
said,
my
name
is
manny.
I'm
here
I
represent
one
hood,
I'm
the
advocacy
and
policy
civic
engagement
coordinator,
but
I
think
it's
more
important
for
me
to
say
that
I'm
a
young
black
man
from
homewood
all
right
and
which
is
why
or
that
is
why
this
conversation
is
so
important
to
me.
I
It's
by
design,
it's
important
for
me
to
say
that
policing
in
america
is
rooted
in
white
supremacy
and-
and
we
all
know
that
and
and
I've
read
the
new
jim
crow
I've
read
slavery
by
another
name.
I'm
sure
everybody
knows
about
the
film
the
13th
that
came
out
that
actually
shows
or
draws
a
direct
line
between
slavery
and
modern
day
policing
that
leads
to
mass
incarceration
and
when
people
are
incarcerated,
like
their
first
point
of
contact
is
the
police
and
in
pittsburgh,
according
to
wikipedia
the
police
department
is
84
white.
I
You
know
what
I
mean,
so
I,
regardless
of
you,
know
what
what
the
rules
are
or
what
the
laws
are.
What
they're
supposed
to
be
doing?
We
see
what
they're
doing,
because
we
see
what
the
results
are
right
and
my
only
concern
about
this
discussion
or
what
happens
going
forward
is
why
it's
not
completely
bad.
You
know
I'm
saying
why.
I
Why
did
not
completely
prevent
it
from
being
able
to
stop
and
frisk
somebody,
because
they
feel
like
it
or
be
able
to
pull
somebody
over
because
they
feel
like
it,
because
that
is
the
reality
believe
it
or
not.
I
remember
one
of
the
last
times
I
got
pulled
over
wasn't
doing
anything
wrong.
You
know
what
I
mean.
You
know
joe
yoked
me
up.
I
had
a
passenger
searched
them.
You
know
I
mean
searched
the
car.
Didn't
even
give
me
a
reason
why
they
pulled
me
over
didn't
find
anything
they
just
drove
away.
I
I
Maybe-
and
you
know
like
I
said-
I'm
happy
to
be-
I'm
not
a
politician,
so
I'm
not
speaking
on
you
know
all
the
details,
all
the
ins
and
outs,
I'm
speaking
as
a
community
member
who
has
been
affected
by
policing
and
who
will
be
affected
by
what
you
all
decide
to
this
day,
but
because
and
I'm
reiterating
the
direct
connection
between
slavery
and
modern
day
policing.
I
A
Problem
mandy,
thank
you
for
being
here.
Westinghouse
bulldog
guy,
then,
is
that
right
yeah
it
was
a
brashear
bullet
at
the
time
it
was
a
bullet
but
changed
that
to
the
bulls
so
manny
you
did
touch
on
one
thing
I
wanted
to
elaborate
on,
you
know
with
population
of
the
city
city
and
if
you
look
at
our
police
force,
not
only
our
police
force,
our
fire
department,
paramedics,
mr
stevens
and
I
have
talked
about
this
and
I
know
we're
on
the
same
page
about
this.
A
I
would
love
to
see
that
bolstered
I
would
love
to
see
more
minorities
on
our
police
department.
I
don't
know
what's
holding
us
back,
I
don't
know
what
the
issues
are
there,
whether
it's,
whether
it's
recruitment
or
what,
but
that
absolutely
has
to
reflect
the
population
and
even
more
so
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
So
so
thank
you,
manny
appreciate
you
know
you
being
here
and
I
think
you
make
a
pretty
good
politician
if
you
decide
you
know
so
with
that.
A
Next,
you
know
I'd
like
to
go
to
autumn
red
cross
to
my
left
by
abolitionist
los
center
autumn.
K
My
name
is
autumn
red
cross.
I
am
with
the
abolitionist
law
center.
I'm
the
founding
director
of
the
court
watch
program
that
we
have
there
and
I'm
now
the
movement
building
director
of
organizing
and
advocacy,
I'm
originally
from
philadelphia
too
and
live
just
outside
the
city.
I
do
have
a
prepared
statement
that
our
organization
drafted
and
it's
council,
member
ricky
burgess,
recently
announced
an
ordinance
intended
to
affect
the
way
police
in
pittsburgh,
conduct
stop
and
frisks.
K
The
current
ordinance
requires
only
that
police
officers
memorialize
the
reasons
that
they
believe
constitute
reasonable
suspicion
that
a
person
has
committed
a
crime
prior
to
temporarily
detaining
them
reasonable.
Suspicion
is
itself
a
term
that
can
mean
whatever
police
officer
wants
it
to
mean
merely
existing
in
a
so-called
high
crime
area
can
be
deemed
suspicious
by
police
officers
and
courts.
K
While
the
ordinance
would
provide
more
data
on
stop
and
frisks
that
pittsburgh
police
officers
conduct,
it
will
do
little
to
reduce
its
practice.
A
practice
that
is
unequivocally
performed
in
a
racially
discriminatory
manner
perpetuates
significant
harm
on
our
communities
and
does
nothing
to
improve
public
safety.
Pittsburgh
already
publicizes,
some
information
related
to
stop
and
frisks.
In
2020
pittsburgh,
police
reported
825
field
contact,
warrant
list,
searches
and
seizures
on
pedestrians.
K
Two-Thirds
of
the
people
stopped
were
black
police
reported
that
3
000
warrantless
searches
and
seizures
overall
71
of
those
people
were
black
325
327
of
these
warrant
list,
searches
and
seizures
were
conducted
on
children,
children,
10
years
old
or
younger.
84
of
these
searches
and
seizures
on
children
were
black.
901
people
were
frisks
during
traffic
stops.
K
77
percent
of
them
were
black
stopping
frisks
as
practiced
as
often
defended
by
police
apologists
as
a
vital
way
to
keep
people
safe,
while
the
number
of
warrantless
searches
and
seizures
has
trended
downward.
Over
the
last
10
years,
reported
violent,
offenses
have
decreased
by
almost
half
in
that
same
period
of
time.
K
Stop
and
frisks
are
an
integral
part
of
the
system
of
apartheid
policing
in
the
city
and
do
nothing
to
further
public
safety.
The
city
should
end
the
practice
altogether
and
devote
its
resources
to
housing,
education,
food
security
and
other
material
needs
that
actually
keep
people
safe
and
reduce
harm
in
our
communities.
K
And
limiting
stop
and
frisks
is
a
is
a
good
practice
and
proposed
proposal
by
the
council
member
purges.
We
think
that
banning
them
all
together
would
be
even
better,
and
I
just
feel
compelled
to
echo
manny's
sentiments
and
as
a
black
woman
as
a
mother
myself,
I
want
to
comment
on
the
feeling.
K
You
know
the
experience,
the
true
experience
of
being
stopped
by
the
police,
while
you're
black
and
then
having
to
explain
to
your
children
that
they
might
be
stopped
by
the
police
for
no
reason
or
any
reason
that
they
could
understand,
and
I
remember
acutely
when
my
son
was
first
driving
around
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
K
Of
course,
where
we're
from
and
he
was
young,
he
was
a
teenager
and
he
didn't
tell
me
at
the
time
that
he
was
stopped
because
he
knew
that
it
would
make
me
scared,
but
he
had
a
back
brake
light
that
was
out,
and
not
only
was
he
stopped,
but
there
were
six
police
who
came
to
him
at
his
car.
L
K
Being
out
of
control
and
being
unable
to
protect
your
children,
because
you
don't
know
how
it
might
escalate,
so
many
people
who
are
parents
of
black
and
brown
children
have
to
result
to
simply
telling
them
hey.
This
is
how
you
need
to
behave
in
case
you're
stopped.
You
know
these
are
the
things
that
you
need
to
do.
Please
do
not
be
threatening
or
even
look
the
police
officer
in
the
eyes,
because
that
could
be
read
as
so.
K
Please
make
sure
that
your
hands
are
seen
and
on
the
steering
wheel
so
that
the
police
doesn't
feel
that
you're
about
to
do
something
wrong.
When
you're
reaching
for
your
license
or
you're
identifying
information,
that's
in
the
the
glove
box
make
sure
you
articulate
this
is
what
you're
doing
and
move
slowly
do
you
have
to
tell
your
children
this.
D
Just
based
on
that
emotion
right
there,
I
just
want
to
just
add
on
to
the
fact
that
you
know
what
was
communicated
as
far
as
the
conversation
that
you
have
with
young
people
is
100
accurate,
but
even
if
you
do
everything
right,
even
if
you
do
everything
that
was
just
told,
these
situations
could
still
go
south
and
going
south
doesn't
always
mean
someone
losing
their
life
right.
I
could
tell
you
right
now
that
for
me,
the
worst
traffic
stop
I've
ever
been
a
part
of
is
not
necessarily
what
took
place
physically
right.
D
Well,
I
guess
it
was
physical,
because
it
was
the
way
they
searched,
but
it's
the
feeling
of
being
so
vulnerable
and
so
out
of
control
of
the
current
situation,
where
you've
done
everything
right
that
that
feeling
stays
with
you
forever
right.
So
what
she
talked
about
with
her
son,
I
wouldn't
tell
my
mom
either
right,
because
why
do
I
want
you
to
share
the
pain
and,
most
importantly,
the
humiliation,
because
now
you're
going
to
ask
me?
Well
what
happened
and
what
did
they
do
and
I
have
to
relive
it.
D
D
So
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
add
a
little
bit
to
the
emotional
side
of
what
people
experienced
when
they
pulled
over,
because
I
agree
with
that
conversation.
But
I
just
want
to
be
clear
just
because
you
do
everything
right
do
not
mean
that
you
do
not
leave
with
some
level
of
humiliation.
A
Yep,
emotional
scar
is
really
good.
You
know
adam.
I
want
to
thank
you
and
I
I
really
appreciate
hearing
your
personal
story
about
your
son
really
hits
home
or
you
know.
I
can
feel
that
emotion.
I
think
you
did
make
the
right
move
coming
here
from
philadelphia
and
making
pittsburgh
your
home.
A
So
you
know,
last
but
not
least,
we
have
two
more
speakers,
okay,
and
I
know
he's
chomping
at
the
bit
over
there,
mr
stevens
and
yeah.
So
so
you
know
I
I
will
tell
you:
we've
had
many
conversations
brandy
and
tim
and
I
have
had
many
conversations.
I
really
respect
his
and
I'll.
Let
you
tell
you
know,
inform
people
of
your
past
a
little
bit
before
you
speak,
but
with
that
mr
stevens,
please.
C
I
too
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity,
and
I
want
to
thank
autumn
for
sharing
that
and
sharing
the
emotions
behind
it
and
for
the
councilman
for
sharing
the
emotions
behind
his
experience,
because
this
is
what
we're
talking
about
and
before
I
forget,
I
wanted
to
thank
councilman,
thomas
sister,
bradford
gray,
for
coming
in
and
being
with
us.
This
is
is
this
important
and
I
hope
that
the
statistics
that
you
gave
will
be
shared
with
all
of
council,
including
those
who
weren't
able
to
stay
or
weren't
here
this
is
recorded.
C
C
He
sat
at
this
table
years
ago.
As
a
council
member,
he
was
a
council
member
of
county
council
as
well
as
city
council.
He
was
a
state
legislator
out
of
this
district,
the
hill
district
area
years
ago.
He
and
I
were
in
a
conversation
in
our
hill
district
office,
of
where
the
black
political
empowerment
project
is
in
the
naacp
office,
were
side
by
side
and
he
had
been
in
all
those
positions
of
leadership
and
he
said
tim,
the
issue
that
I
always
hear
that
impacts
black
people.
C
C
We
have
communicated
with
with
the
school
board
on
several
occasions.
We
want
every
child
to
be
instructed
on
that
brochure
every
term
at
least
annually,
but
preferred
before
they
return.
Erica
fierby
jones
chief
of
staff
has
agreed
with
that
and
said
they
had
begun
to
do
it
now.
She
has
to
confirm
that
they're
doing
it
permanently.
C
G
C
C
C
We
have-
and
I've
said
it
from
this
podium
a
couple
two
or
three
times
at
least
we
have
a
re-whitening
of
the
of
the
police
force
in
pittsburgh,
a
re-whitening
when
I
was
in
the
naacp
in
the
70s
as
executive
director.
Soon
after
that
there
was
a
lawsuit
and
and
every
four
employees
there
had
to
be
a
black
and
a
female,
and
we
came
to
a
point
for
the
councilman
that
we
actually
have
reasonable
numbers
of
black
people
and
women
on
the
force.
C
At
one
point,
I
think
women
were
at
the
top
in
the
country
in
terms
of
percentage.
If
you
look
at
the
last
several
classes,
you
know-
I
think
we
mentioned
this
from
brandy,
and
I
were
with
you.
The
last
several
classes
have
been
almost
all
white
out
of
40.
There
may
be
two
black
people
or
three
of
them.
Three
is
a
big
number.
There
may
be
one
hispanic
or
none.
C
So
what
happens
when
you
go
into
a
black
community?
It's
like
a
white
invasion
force.
Some
people
may
find
that
brass.
But
it's
true.
I
ask
white
people
to
think
about
it
in
reverse.
If
every
time
you
had
an
incident,
particularly
in
a
predominantly
white
community
and
the
police
came
in
and
98
of
them
are
black,
you
would
begin
to
what,
where
are
the
white
people?
C
I'm
serious
we're
the
white
officers,
so
I
want
white
people
to
understand
we're
not
just
being
difficult
here.
This
is
reality,
and
this
is
not
someone
selling
a
shirt
at
macy's.
You
may
not
care
who
I
care,
because
one
of
our
initiatives
of
the
black
political
empowerment,
tragic,
is
corporate
equity
inclusion
roundtable
so
that
we
want
black
people
selling
those
shirts
too,
but
but
that's
a
little
less
intense
who's
selling.
C
Your
shirt,
then,
who
may
be
arresting
you
potentially
so
what
we're
talking
about
and
have
talked
about
in
our
letters
that
we've
sent
to
this
council
people
a
couple
things,
I'm
gonna
mention
to
make
sure
you
all
remembered
it.
If
you
didn't
read
it,
the
re-whitening
of
the
police
force
in
pittsburgh
over
the
last
several
classes
makes
what
we're
talking
about
even
more
important
than
it
did.
Maybe
when
we
were
beginning
to
have
some
percentages
that
were
reasonable,
they
are
no
longer
reasonable.
They
are
unreasonable.
C
So
when
george
floyd's
decision
was
coming
down,
we
had
a
press
conference
at
our
b-pap
headquarters
and
at
that
very
moment
we
were
announcing
a
request
from
that
of
the
city
council
to
consider
police
reform
legislation
reform
in
terms
of
traffic
stops.
Now
I
admit
we
put
in,
I
think
14
different
14
different
pieces
that
you
consider
and
we
knew
you
weren't
going
to
do
all
that.
C
C
At
this
legislation,
one
of
our
requests
is
that
you
make
sure-
and
I
talked
to
ralph
bangs
today,
one
of
the
great
minds
of
pittsburgh
out
of
the
university
of
pittsburgh.
He
has
a
a
report,
I'm
not
going
to
give
it
to
you
because
he's
still
drafting
it,
but
he
has
a
report
he's
going
to
be
sending
and
sharing
with
city
council
two
reports
and
he's
a
researcher,
that's
what
he
does
from
the
university
of
pittsburgh
and
he's
going
to
be
reinforcing
what
we've
heard
today
and
from
david
harris
and
from
our
community
partners.
C
And
there
is
reports
that
black
people,
who
do
any
kind
of
drugs
are
not
doing
at
any
percentage
higher
than
white
people
and
you've
just
said,
councilman
that,
in
your
studies
with
300
000
stops
in
philadelphia
that
actually
black
people
have
less
issues
in
terms
of
crime
when
they're
stopped
and
what's
going
on
in
the
car
they're
white
people,
so
in
other
words,
white
people
who
say
we're
doing
this,
because
all
these
black
people
are
criminals.
Obviously
you
don't
know
what
the
hell
you're
talking
about.
So
we
need
to
be
honest
and
truthful
about
this.
C
C
C
We
need
time
to
ensure
this
time
is
coming
up
to
ensure
that
the
proposed
legislation
matches
community
needs
to
the
fullest
extent
possible
and
fullest
extent
is
a
key
piece
of
the
co-hill
data
collection
or
data,
if
you
like
that
word
better
regarding
the
reasons
for
the
traffic
stop,
that
has
to
be
in
there,
because
otherwise,
if
you
don't
like
black
people,
if
you
don't
like
people
with
long
hair
and
have
blown
eyes
or
whatever
you
may
stop
people
for
whatever
reason
and
we're
asking
that
these
the
data
show
what
is
in
fact
happening.
C
Okay,
so
that
is
important.
It's
essential
to
ensure
that
the
ordinance
is
full,
fully
operational
and
complete
as
possible
and
that
the
secondary
violations
be
expanded.
The
current
list
does
not
reflect
those
offenses
community
members
feel
need
to
be
handled,
consideration
be
given
to
including
pedestrian
stops
in
the
legislation.
C
And
we
mentioned
in
this
from
our
friends
from
philadelphia,
we
mentioned
in
our
letter
of
december
20th
the
efforts
to
address
the
type
of
problems
targeted
in
this
proposal.
Legislation
be
fully
examined
with
an
eye
toward
how
some
of
the
philadelphia
legislative
approach
might
be
wisely
incorporated
into
the
newly
proposed
pittsburgh
legislation.
So
I
thank
you
personally
for
coming
in
because
it's
absolutely
in
alignment
with
what
we've
asked
for
so
we've
heard
a
lot
of
why
and
the.
A
Thank
you,
mr
stevens,
and
you
know
on
a
personal
note,
I
want
to
tell
you
it's
been
a
real
pleasure
working
with
you
and
talking
to
you
about
police
reform
and
to
me
this
is
what
police
reform
is
about.
We're
here
at
the
table,
everybody's
voice
is
being
heard
and
whether
it's
adding
to
our
current
bill
or
not,
you
can
count
on
me
to
you,
know,
support
what
you
feel
is
important,
so
last,
but
certainly
not
least,
I'm
going
to
open
the
mic
and
then
we're
going
to
hear
from
our
council
president.
A
I
hope
after
she,
after
randy
is
finished,
but
yes,
so
and
brandi,
it's
been
a
real
pleasure
working
with
you,
you
know
just
to
you
know,
bounce
ideas
off
each
other
and
now
we're
looking
in
other
forms
other
other
areas
of
police
reform,
which
I
think
you
know
beyond
what
mr
thomas
has
introduced
in
philadelphia
and
we're
adopting.
I
think,
there's
so
much
more
and
other
avenues
that
we
can
look
into.
So
with
that
brandi
fisher
from
the
alliance
of
police
accountability,
or
is
yours.
M
Thank
you
so
much
first.
I
do
want
to
just
thank
you
for
convening
this
because
it
wouldn't
happen
without
you.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
then
also
I
wanted
to
thank
david
harris
because
we
have
been
working
with
him
for
many
years
and
doing
this
work
he's
been
very
consistent
and
dedicated,
even
though
he's
not
directly
impacted
by
this.
I
want
to
and
thank
everyone
for
being
here.
M
I
wasn't
going
to
speak
council
councilwoman
teresa
kel
smith,
because
I
felt
like
I
convened
a
team
that
was
going
to
convey
enough.
She
made
me
come
up
from
out
the
audience.
I
wasn't.
M
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
convene,
but
you
know
just
to
add
on
and
not
to
be
emotional,
but
you
know
the
reason
why
I
do
this
work
is
because
I
am
the
mother
of
a
black
son
and
my
son
is
27
years
old
and
a
legal
gun
carrier.
C
M
So
when
I,
when
I
watched
the
news
and
I
seen,
philando
cat
still
murdered
and
I
hear
justifications
because
you
know
this
person
had
a
weapon,
that's
why
we
thought
he
had
a
gun
and
that's
how
we
shot
him.
You
know
it.
M
It
worries
me
to
my
core
every
time
I
think
about
my
son
driving
and
I've
had
this
conversation
with
him
and
he's
adamant
about
his
rights
and
not
you
know,
bowing
down
or
not
being
able
to
live
as
everybody
else
lives,
and
he
refuses
to
do
that
and
I
respect
it,
but
it
doesn't
change
when
my
phone
rings
at
one
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
it's
him
the
fear
that
goes
through
my
body
immediately.
M
It
doesn't
change
the
fact
that
I
know
racial
profiling
is
real
right.
A
part
of
the
mission
of
our
organization
is
to
end
racial
profiling
because
of
its
impact
not
just
on
mass
incarceration
but
on
the
mentality
of
our
families
and
because
it's
real-
and
I
don't
expect
people
to
care
about
that-
I
don't,
but
it
still
needs
to
be
stated.
M
But
what
I
do
expect
people
to
do
is
to
to
do
their
jobs
and
be
responsible
in
doing
that
right,
whether
we're
talking
about
council
people
or
the
police,
and
the
reason
why
we
are
here
today
is
y'all-
have
seen
me
down
here
many
times.
I
haven't
been
out
here
most
recently
because
of
the
pandemic,
but
it
is
because
this
is
necessary.
M
You
know
this
picture
about
this
topic
about
the
message
it
sends
about
the
importance
to
counsel
or
the
lack
thereof
when
we
set
this
date.
M
You
know
weeks
ago,
and
everyone
knew
we
were
doing
this
today
and
so
that
it's
in
itself
to
me
sends
a
message
of
how
important
that
this
matter
is
and
then,
lastly,
the
numbers
do
tell
a
story,
but
when
you
talk
to
people
who
experience
this
every
day,
the
numbers
make
even
more
sense
and
tell
a
different
story
than
what
we
hear,
and
I
think
that
is
the
biggest
the
biggest
issue
here
when
we're
dealing
with
making
policies,
changing
policies
and
legislation
is
the
interpretation
of
the
data
right
if
it's
even
collected,
and
so
the
very
first
thing
I
want
to
ensure
is
that
my
amendment
is
what
I'm
saying
should
happen
by
amendment
we.
M
We
need
to
amend
this.
Current
legislation
to
first
include
collection
of
data
around
the
reason
people
are
stopped
because,
theresa,
you
know,
that's
that's
the
biggest
debate
right,
we're,
like
our
officers
say
this
is
what
happens,
and
this
is
what
they're
doing,
and
this
officer
is
my
friend
and
I
believe
him
and
I
know,
he's
a
good
officer,
and
so
this
is
what's
happening,
and
so
I'm
hesitant
to
support
this
or
to
make
this
amendment
because
of
x,
y
and
z.
M
But
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
no
matter
how
friendly
we
are.
It's
about
a
state
of
policing
right,
it's
not
about
individual
choices.
It's
about
the
state
of
policing
when
the
data
is
telling
you
there's
a
problem,
even
if
your
friend
is
not
the
issue
policing
in
the
way
that
is
done
in
this
city
is
the
issue
and
we're
really
serious
about
making
an
impact
on
the
disproportionality
for
of
black
people.
When
it
comes
to
traffic
stops,
then
we're
going
to
put
our
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
make
sure
we're
passing
legislation.
M
That
does
that
you
know
we
don't
want
to
pass
legislation
just
to
say
we
pass
legislation.
We
want
to
make
an
impact,
and
what
we're
seeing
is
this
current
legislation
in
its
current
form,
though
it
is
awesome
and
an
awesome
idea
is
not
it.
It
is
not
going
to
give
us
the
impact
that
we
were
looking
for.
M
It
is
not
going
to
give
us
the
solution
that
we
say
we
are
seeking
by
creating
this
legislation,
and
so,
if
we
don't
know
why
police
officers
are
stopping
people,
then
we
are
also
we're
just
continuing
this
disproportionate
impact
on
black
communities,
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
highlight
is
that
when
we
we're
talking
about
stop
and
frisk-
and
I
know
the
stopper
first
bill
came
after
we-
we
stated
that
pedestrian
stops
weren't
in
this
bill
right.
M
We
all
know
the
the
order
of
events
and
how
this
happened,
but
warrantless
search
and
seizures
happen
at
traffic
stops
and
warrantless
search
and
seizures
happen
on
the
street.
So
we
have
a
legislation
that
is
covering
warrantless,
search
and
seizures.
Why
are
we
exclude?
Why
are
we
not
making
it
across
the
board?
Why
are
we
saying
only
for
pedestrians
or
we're
doing
this?
Only
for
this
reason,
as
many
stated,
it
should
just
not
happen
at
all
right.
M
If
we're
going
to
say
that
wordless
search
and
seizures
are
a
problem,
then
why
are
we
still
allowing
them
to
happen
period
right?
And
so
we
really
want
to.
You
know
make
sure
that
we
are
looking
at
the
the
systemic
changes
that
need
to
happen,
so
we
don't
have
to
continuously
chase
every
single
case.
M
You
don't
have
people
coming
down
here,
every
time
something
happens
because
you're
being
proactive
and
ensuring
the
safety
of
individuals-
and
I
would
move
to
say
that
public
safety
is
policing
is,
is
not
what's
given
us
public
safety
right.
Public
safety
has
entails
a
lot
more
than
police
officers.
Mass
incarceration
public
safety
is
about
people.
M
Then
we
cannot
run
away
from
the
truth
of
what
the
data
is
telling
us
and
so,
and
no
data
collection
is,
is
data
as
well
right
and
so
the
fact
that
we're
not
collecting
data
around
the
most
controversial
point
surrounding
these
traffic
stops,
which
is
the
reason
lets
me
know
that
we're
not
that
serious
about
the
changes
we're
claiming
that
we
want
to
make,
and
so
I'm
hoping
we
can
change
that
by
the
way
that
we
move
forward,
that
we
are
putting
our
actions
where
our
mouth
is
and
that
we
can
really
make
a
huge
impact
on
public
safety,
especially
when
it
comes
to
black
and
brown
communities.
C
Brother
coghill,
yes,
two
quick
points,
please,
I
forgot
sorry
brendy
real,
quick.
The
effectiveness
of
what
we
want
to
see
happen
will
actually
improve
community
police
relations,
going
back
to
what
councilman
thomas
said.
Think
about
that,
if
all
your
interactions
are
basically
negative
and
you
feel
like,
I
don't
care,
I
would
say:
there's
has
to
be
hardly
any
black
male
or
brown
male
and
most
black
people
are
female
if
they
see
a
police
car
behind
them,
they're
going
to
be
a
bit
nervous
now.
C
I
know
a
lot
of
white
people
are
nervous,
but
they're
nervous
for
different
ideas,
we're
nervous
because
of
what
we've
seen
on
tv
for
the
last
few
years.
Let's
be
honest,
that's
why
bpap
wrote
the
original
letter
of
all
those.
It
was
because
I
was
having
fits
in
my
house
watching
what
was
happening
to
black
and
brown
people
on
television.
C
C
C
In
our
corporate
equity
inclusion
roundtable,
our
goal
is
to
have
black
folks
considered
for
employment
from
entry
level
to
the
c-suite.
Okay,
but
that's
impacted
when
people
come
in
with
records.
That's
why
we
have
we've
been
advocating
ban
the
box,
so
that's
not
on
the
application
it
can
be
considered
later,
but
not
the
first
thing
you
see,
but
putting
black
folks
and
brown
folks
in
these
criminal
situations.
C
That's
what's
happening
from
the
first
stop.
Am
I
right
brandi
that
happens
in
the
street,
so
I
just
wanted
to
add
those
two
points
that
this
is
the
power
of
this
potential
legislation
to
lower
the
probability
and
the
possibility
of
these
interactions
occurring
and,
let's
be
honest,
a
lot
of
the
police
have
to
be
nervous
when
they
walk
up
to
a
car.
They
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
to
them,
and
then
you
have
the
legislature
in
harrisburg
passing
legislation.
That
said,
you
can
have
a
gun
and
only
have
to
have
a
permit.
C
Which,
I
think
is
beyond
ridiculous.
I
worked
in
a
mental
hospital
for
31
and
three-quarter
years.
We
had
patients
called
pre-discharged,
meaning
they
were
about
to
leave.
If
I
told
them
this,
they
would
say
we
may
be
mentally
ill,
but
that's
some
crazy
stuff
and
what
was
passed
in
the
legislature
of
harrisburg.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
tying
all
of
this
together,
because
it
is
time
together
in
terms
of
his
impact.
A
Thank
you,
mr
stevens,
and
thank
you
brandy
and
just
on
another
personal
note
I
want
to
say
you
know
I
did
even
though
I'm
the
only
council
member
who
didn't
support
this
bill
originally
become
a
believer,
and
not
only
in
that,
but
you
know,
we've
talked
about
how
you
want
to
add
to
it
and
as
far
as
information
data
wise,
I
completely
agree
with
that.
A
So
my
office
will
work
with
you
and
reverend
barrages
sponsored
a
bill,
and
you
know-
and
I
promise
you
I'll
lobby,
my
colleagues
as
to
getting
what
we
need
to
get
in
there
to
make
everybody
feel
like
their
voices
are
being
heard.
So
you
know
I
want
to
introduce
everybody
knows
our
council
president.
You
know
she
is
an
incredible
woman.
She
fights
for
this
city.
A
She
is
on
the
front
line
for
us,
no
matter
how
controversial,
no
matter,
what
the
subject
is
and
no
better
way
to
end
it
than
our
council
president
teresa
kills.
M
K
L
A
L
My
future
daughter-in-law
who's,
the
mother
of
my
two
of
my
grandchildren,
is
black
and
having
their
conversations,
gives
me
a
different
insight.
I
think
about
it.
You
know,
because
I
hear
her
fear
I
hear
and
she's
with
my
grandkids
and
then
I
hear
my
son's
fear.
You
know
at
the
same
time,
so
I
think
it
really
is
a
conversation
that,
and
I
think
brandi
and
I
that's
one
of
the
ways
we
met.
G
L
C
We
have
every
five
weeks
we've
been
meeting
for,
we've
had
at
least
five
or
six
meetings
with
the
chief,
the
former
mr
historic.
The
current
one
was
on
the
last
meeting.
Usually
a
few
commanders
are
on
the
call
a
couple
commanders,
some
of
our
community
partners-
keena
james,
has
represented
the
apa
for
the
last
few
months
on
it
and
we
meet
every
five
weeks
on
the
b-pep
requests
for
police
reform.
It
goes
back
to
meeting
brandy
and
I
were
in
together
february
24th
2020..
C
L
To
say,
I
think
our
mayors,
I'm
just
going
to
defend
them
all
for
a
little
bit
here,
they're
in
a
bad
situation,
right
they're
in
a
city,
that's
predominantly
white.
They
have
a
lot
of
businesses.
They
have
a
lot
of
the
black
community
that
they
care
about
and
trying
to
find
the
balance
between.
All
that
has
got
to
be
horrendous.
L
It's
going
to
be,
I
mean
really
difficult,
but
I
think
if
we
come
together
and
educate
the
community,
I
know
you
got
a
letter
from
one
of
my
constituents
who
oversees
a
community
group
in
my
district
who
was
she's.
Black
was
not
supportive
of
any
of
this,
and
so
I
think
she
has
very
different
reasons.
So
I'm
you
know-
and
I
I
know
that
she's
gonna
she's
gonna
speak
her
mind
she's,
not
gonna.
Let
anybody
speak
for
her.
L
You
know
I
mean
she's
going
to
speak
her
mind,
but
I
think
that
there
are
people
that
see
things
differently,
so
even
in
our
black
communities,
they're
not
saying
all
the
same
things
and
in
our
white
communities,
they're,
not
saying
all
the
same
things
and
our
police
officers
in
our
in
our
police
department
we're
starting
to
see
some
division
because
there's
some
newer
younger
people
who
see
things
a
little
bit
differently
than
people
who've
been
here
for
a
long
time.
L
I
think
our
chief
has
done
a
lot
to
try
to
build
police
community
relations.
I
think
that
we
we
need
to
do
a
little
bit
more
like
that.
These
meetings
are
not
just
ongoing
meetings,
but
we
have
action
items
such
and
that
we're
actually
being
able
to
deliver
some
real
results.
I
hate
I
hate
putting
legislation
on
the
table
saying
we
did
something
we
did
nothing.
I
hate
putting
things
on
the
table
saying
or
having
a
meeting
saying
we're
doing
something
we're
not
doing.
L
I
hate
hearing
people
talk
and
then
nothing
happens,
but
I
also
hate
the
dissension
and
I
hate
the
tension
between
our
police
and
our
black
community,
because
in
my
area
there's
a
huge
respect
for
the
police
from
our
black
me
more
so
when
we
talked
about
defunding,
the
people
I
heard
from
was
my
black
community,
who
almost
went
ballistic
with
me
and-
and
there
was
a
lot
of
it,
was
you
know,
charter
cities
predominantly
black,
but
I
think
it's
a
class
issue
because
they
also
have
the
highest
homeownership
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
L
A
class
issue:
you
know
that
we're
starting
to
see-
and
so
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
do
meetings
with
the
police
and
the
community
and
everyone
coming
together
to
try
to
figure
out
how
we
can
help
get
to
a
good
place.
First
of
all,
councilman
I
want
to
thank
you.
I
thought
you
were
so
amazed
at
the
boy.
I
hope
he
runs
for
something
stupid.
G
I
L
G
L
C
L
I
L
Middletown
road:
we
share
that
with
ingram
borough
we
have
banksville
road,
we
share
with
mount
lebanon,
so
there's
a
lot
of
different.
You
know
roads
that
are
shared
with
other
boroughs,
and
so,
if
we
do
one
thing,
I'm
afraid
that
my
kids
are
going
to
have
false,
pretense
or
false
hope
or
something
their
false
sense
of
security
that
they
can
just
drive
and
do
whatever
and
one
and
then,
as
soon
as
they
hit
that
that
border
they're
pulled
over
and
we've
had
that
happen.
You
know
numerous
times.
L
I
think
I
called
you
about
it,
randy
yeah,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
whatever
we
do,
that
that
we're,
mindful
of
you,
know
not
giving
kids
a
false
sense
of
security
that
we're
actually
doing
things
that
are
going
to
be
helpful
and
beneficial,
and
I
think
that
there's
a
pla
way
to
get
to
a
place
where
we're
working
with
both
our
police
and
our
community
and
supporting
one
another.
L
And
I
I
think
this-
I
think
a
lot
of
people
make
a
lot
profit
a
lot
out
of
a
lot
of
divisions,
and
this
is
one
of
them.
I
think-
and
it's
sad
to
me
because
there's
so
many
people
brought
down
in
the
middle
of
it
and
it
doesn't
need
to
be
this
way
and
I
I
would
love
to
start
something
where
we're
working
together
on
a
more
permanent
basis
and
that
we're
yielding
results
and
we
have
some
real
action
items.
L
So
maybe,
if
we
work
with
well
first
councilman,
I
know
councilman
burr
just
leads
us
a
lot
of
times
and
he
put
the
legislation
on
the
table.
So
I
know
he'd
be
willing,
but
I
think
I'd
also
like
to
talk
to
our
chairperson
of
public
safety,
who's,
councilman,
o'connor,.
L
D
D
Initially,
when
I
first
started
my
testimony,
I
tried
to
describe
our
city
in
our
situation
because
I
do
recognize.
Ours
is
different
and
when
you
ask
me,
mr
chairman,
about
the
other
police
entities,
that's
why
I
explained
that
our
entities
are.
You
know,
universities
and
pha
and
folks
who
have
contracts
with
the
city
which
will
force
them
to
abide
by
that
law.
There
are
clear
lines
in
philadelphia
when
you
leave
philadelphia
and
go
into
sheltingham
or
lower
marion
or
dark.
D
You
know
the
difference,
you're,
it's
a
visible
difference
to
when
you
leave
the
city
of
philadelphia.
So
some
of
the
issues
that
you
have
and
I'll
give
you
another
example
when
I'll.
If
a
chief
public
defender
could
probably
help
a
little
better
with
this,
you
guys
talked
about
the
issue
around
pedestrian
stops
and
that's
not
an
issue
for
us,
so
it
wasn't
included
in
our
legislation
and
I'll.
D
Let
the
chief
public
defender
talk
about
that,
but
then
what
I'll
also
say
is
this
too,
and
this
is
something
that
we
should
all
know:
state
rep,
donna,
bullock
out
of
the
city
of
philadelphia
who's.
The
chair
of
the
black
caucus
for
the
state
house
introduced
driving
equality
for
the
commonwealth
of
pennsylvania.
D
So
not
only
are
you
looking
at
it
as
you're
as
far
as
your
municipality,
we
looked
at
in
our
municipality
in
our
county,
but
the
entire
commonwealth
is
definitely
going
to
look
at
the
idea
of
driving
equality
being
a
state
law.
Now
we
know
harrisburg
is
very
different
than
pittsburgh
in
philadelphia,
but
the
dialogue
is
already
happening
and
I
think
that
conversation
will
help
you
with
some
of
your
state
partners,
as
the
appetite
begins
to
increase
in
harrisburg
as
it
relates
to
driving
equality.
D
I
think
this
is
my
last
time
speaking
so
the
last
thing
I
just
want
to
put
an
emphasis
on
just
listening
to
everybody,
because
this
has
just
been
great
dialogue.
I
highly
recommend
that
you
include
the
data
component
in
the
legislation
and
the
reason
I
recommend.
That
is
because
it
protects
you
all
as
legislators,
you're
going
to
have
people
who
are
going
to
want
to
create
their
own
narrative
around
the
legislation
and
the
impact
the
legislation
have
you'll
have
some
people
who
want
to
talk
about
public
safety
and
a
negative
impact.
D
It
has
there
you're
going
to
have
people
in
communities
of
color
who
are
concerned
that
people
are
using
other
stops
for
us
in
philadelphia.
Tint
was
a
non-negotiable
for
you
and
pittsburgh.
You
might
want
10
in
your
legislation
and
you
might
amend
the
bill
later
because
you
find
that
maybe
tent
is
a
new
tactic.
That's
used,
instead
of
some
other
tactic
that
you,
you
know,
move
to
a
secondary
violation.
You
will
not
know
any
of
that
without
the
data
component
and
for
us
as
legislators,
we
feel
like
that's
the
thing
that
makes
us
comfortable
I'll.
L
I
just
want
to
just
say
that
I
think
moving
forward.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
divisions
politically.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
divisions
in
our
community,
but
I
would
like
to
see
us
come
together
on
this
and
not
allow
those
things
to
stop
us
from
doing
what's
right
for
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
that
we
shouldn't
just
care
about.
We,
I
shouldn't
say
we
shouldn't
care.
We
shouldn't
make
this
just
a
black
and
white
issue.
L
This
is
a
pittsburgh
issue
and
we
should
make
sure
that
everybody
feels
safe
in
our
city,
because
we
want
people
to
come
here
too
right
and
and
now
we're
talking
about.
You
know
the
wilkinsburg
and
and
that
and
adding
that
into
our
city,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
our
officers,
if
we
would
you
know
even
work
with
them,
that
they
have
the
same
training
as
our
officers
or
even
further.
L
I
I
just
think
that,
but
I
do
want
to
say
I
think
our
officers
are
doing
the
best
they
can
with
everything
that
they
do.
Have
we
don't.
I
think,
we've
I
mean
everybody.
Nobody
wants
to
see
an
incident
happen.
I
mean
nobody,
you
have,
you
have
to
be
out
of
your
mind
to
walk
out
in
the
morning
and
make
this
happen.
What.
I
L
E
C
L
L
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
us
to
also
include
the
administration
moving
forward
and
making
sure
that
we're
working
together
for
the
best
interest
of
all
our
police
officers,
all
our
residents,
our
black
community
and
everybody
that
one
we
want
them
to
feel
welcome
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
safe
everybody.
I
mean
nobody
should
have
to
drive
down
the
road
and
have
their
heart
racing,
because
they're
afraid
they're
going
to
get
whatever
and.
M
A
Brandi,
can
we
just
believe
it
3
30.
yep.
N
Go
ahead,
reverend
I'm
just
going
to
say!
Thank
you!
I'm
going!
Thank
you
brandi
for
your
years
of
commitment
to
this
work.
Thank
you,
councilman
for
coming
all
the
way
from
philadelphia,
bringing
lovely
and
capable
legal
expert
to
come
and
to
solidify
your
your
your
efforts.
N
Thank
you
for
all
of
our
guests
who
have
come.
We
are
indebted
for
you,
tim.
I
have
been
your
friend
and
your
fan
all
of
my
adult
life.
I
have.
N
I've
been
blessed,
I've
been
blessed
to
to
be
a
witness
of
what
god
can
do
and
that's
how
I
view
my
role.
I've
been
able
to
to
pass
lots
of
stuff
in
terms
of
gun,
violence
and
police
reform
and
housing
and
I'll
continue
that
work.
It
takes
so
I'll
I'll
be
very
quick
of
what
I've
learned
and
maybe
it
may
be
helpful
to
someone.
We've
passed.
N
Legislation
called
black
pittsburgh
matters,
and
that
has
three
components,
and
that
is
black
lives
matter,
which
is
the
health
and
safety
of
black
people
like
communities
matter,
which
is
to
transform
black
communities
from
communities
of
isolated
poverty
into
mixed
income
communities
and
that
black
wealth
matters,
which
is
increasing
employment
and
wealth
among
black
people.
What
I
say
is
I
want
every
person
to
be
safe
and
healthy
in
pittsburgh.
I
want
every
person
to
live
in
a
good
middle
class,
robust
community
with
amenities.
N
I
want
every
person
to
have
employment
if
they
want
and
wealth
if
they
don't
have
it.
But
in
order
to
do
that,
my
faith
tells
me
we
have
to
do
this
with
the
least
among
them
and
then
piss
break
the
least
among
them
or
black
people,
and
so
my
commitment
to
get
to
everybody
starts
off
in
an
equitable
form,
with
black
people
in
black
communities
and
so
everybody's
right
and
helping
black
people
we're
all
right
everybody's
right.
What
we're
wrong
about
is.
No
one
intervention
will
help
us.
N
You
have
to
do
all
of
it
at
scale
at
once,
right
we
have
to
build
rooted
in
new
housing
at
scale,
reform,
police
at
scale,
employment
at
scale
and
that's
the
work
and
but
we
we
do
it
together.
I'm
I'm
grateful
for
president
smith,
her
leadership,
I'm
grateful
for
mr
coghill
him
and
I
we
we
are
it's
funny.
People
who
don't
not
know
us
is
that
we're
friends,
you
know
we
don't
always
agree,
but
we
always
talk
and
agree
to
be
friends,
and
so
we
are.
N
This
is
an
interesting
moment
in
history
of
our
city.
Right
we
have
an
african-american
mayor,
the
first
time
we
have
the
most
experienced
council,
probably
in
its
history,
and
so
we
have
a
chance
of
traumatic
of
dramatic
change.
The
real
question
is
the
resources
right.
Are
we
going
to
put
the
money
into
the
things
that
will
change
the
quality
of
life
for
black
people
in
pittsburgh,
which
means
to
reallocate
resources
from
and
we
just
have
it?
We
just
had
a
bridge
fall
down
right.
Yes,
we
did,
and
so
I'm
I've
been
clear.
N
You
know
we're
not
taking
money
from
we're,
not
taking
money
from
anti-violence
prevention,
stuff
we're
not
taking
money
from
housing
to
do
that,
we
have
to
find
out
some
new
money.
So
my
point,
though,
is
thank
you.
My
real
point
is
thank
you
for
coming.
I've
been
doing
this.
I've
been
doing
this
before
I
was
a
member
of
council.
I've
been
in
this
work,
jesus
20
years.
N
I've
been
doing
this
work
20
years,
and
I
I
am
more
hopeful
today
than
I
have
been
since
I
began
this
work
that
we
can
do
some
things
that
are
significantly
to
impact
the
lives
of
black
people.
So
thank
all
of
you
for
your
work.
Thank
you
for
this
moment
I'll,
be
my
running
partner.
Thank
all
of
you
all
of
you
for
being
here
at
3
30,
to
talk
actually
about
wilkinsburg.
N
We
are
we're
looking
to
annex
another
city,
not
that
we're
conventionally
there's
attention,
there's
a
there's,
a
burl
right
beside
us,
that
is
about
60
black,
that
connects
to
more
primarily
my
council
district
and
we
voted
to
not
annex
this
year,
but
there's
a
discussion
of
perhaps
doing
it
that
I
am
I'm
a
part
of,
so
I
have
to
go.
Do
that,
but
thank
you.
Listen
come
back
again,
we'll
get
some
fruit,
get
some
ribs
fish
and
chicken
right
right.
M
I
wanted
to
speak
first
real,
quick
because
I
heard
this
twice
and
I
think
it
might
be
a
real
issue
when
it
comes
to
the
legislation.
Councilman
coghill
brought
up
law,
enforcement's
concern
about
the
universities
and
other
police
departments,
which
is
something
we've
talked
about
a
lot.
We
have
227
police
departments
in
allegheny
county
and
so,
and
then
I
heard
just
councilman
councilman
michael
smith,
just
highlighted
the
same
issue,
and
so
what
I
wanted.
M
What
I
want
to
say
is
that
one
we
often
say
that
we
can
only
worry
about
the
city
right
when
we
want
to
do
things
that
impact
the
county.
We
can
only
worry
about
the
city,
and
so
I
just
want
to
reiterate.
That
is
that
we
have
to
just
worry
about
what
we're
responsible
for
right.
I
have
to
worry
about
my
home,
not
my
neighbors.
I
have
to
worry
about
my
home
first
and
so
when
we
did
criminalize
marijuana
here
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
M
It
was
a
similar
thing
because
it
was
here
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
and
I
think
council
woman
strasberger
said
it
best
before
she
left.
Is
that
we're
responsible
to
make
sure
pittsburgh
is
safe,
so
no
matter
what
anybody
else
is
doing,
we
have
to
make
sure
we're
doing
our
job
and
what
I
would
behoove
you
to
do
is
maybe
you
know
look
at
what
councilman
thomas
is
doing
and
connecting
with
other
council
people
in
other
places.
M
If
you
are
passing
something
in
your
city
and
you
feel
that
it
may
be,
it
may
have
a
negative
impact
if
others
around
you
don't
follow,
then,
instead
of
not
doing
it
here,
I
think
you
maybe
should
have
conversations
with
them
to
encourage
them
to
do
it
in
their
places.
So
that
way,
instead
of
us
instead
of
us
not
you
know
doing
what
we
need
to
do
for
public
safety,
we're
actually
making
sure
people
are
safe
everywhere.
C
That's
why
she's
my
civil
rights
daughter,
because
that's
what
I
was
going
to
so
seriously,
let
us
leave
pittsburgh
is
the
main
city
in
allegheny
county.
Let
us
lead,
let
others
follow
because
it's
going
to
become
obvious.
Well,
maybe
we
need
to
change
what
we're
doing
in
our
little
boroughs,
because
pittsburgh
is
doing
this
and
it's
becoming
awkward.
So,
let's
reverse
the
thinking
and
say
pittsburgh
is
doing
this,
so
you
little
verbs
around
the
city.
Maybe
you
need
to
think
about
altering
what
you're
doing
instead
of
us
just
saying?
C
L
L
I
am
not
saying
that
we
shouldn't
do
it,
I'm
saying:
don't
pretend
that
we're
going
to
do
something
to
help
black
children
and
they're
going
to
get
pulled
over
and
something
different
is
going
to
happen
in
the
boat.
Just
so
we
can
say
we
did
something.
Let's
do
something:
that's
really
going
to
impact
their
lives
for
real
and
not
just
pretend
we're
going
to
impact
their
lives.
L
And
then
I
want
to
say
also
that
we
can
also
talk
to
the
county
and
we
have
done
that
before
and
that
in
terms
of
the
decriminalization
of
marijuana,
we
did
and
we
did
not
get
a
response,
and
so
we
do
try
to
go
beyond.
I
mean
we
did
it
here
and
then
we
tried
to
go
beyond
and
it
didn't
happen,
but
we
could
also
go
together
to
the
state
and
ask
the
state
laws
to
change.
That's
some
things
that
we
can't
that
could
be
in
one
of
the
action
items.
A
Before
we
close
so
before
councilman
wilson,
thank
you
for
rejoining
us
and
I
do
want
to
say
one
thing
to
you:
randy.
As
far
as
the
lack
of
council
people.
Here
we
have
the
majority.
We
had
the
majority
here
to
begin
with,
but
you
know
all
of
our
council
members
are
very
engaged
in
police
reform,
whether
it
be
this
bill
or
bills
to
come
in
the
future.
This
is
going
to
be
well
publicized.
We're
on
air,
it's
being
viewed
around
the
city
right
now
and
it'll,
be,
I
think,
live
on
youtube.
Yeah.
A
Yeah,
I
know
councilman
level,
you
know
couldn't
join
us,
but
I
know
him
he's
going
to
watch
it
and
he's
going
to
he's
going
to
look
at
everything.
That
said,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
you
know
your
your
data
piece
piece,
so
so
councilman
wilson
did
you
have
anything
to
to
to
add.
I
didn't
know
if
you
had
any
other
questions
and
and
we'll
let
these
folks,
you
know,
get
on
their
way.
F
Yeah,
I
wanna,
you
know
just
thank
everyone
for
coming,
but
you
know
I
just
think
you
know
my
I
was
bringing
up
earlier
was
just
that
you
know
I
was
alluding
to
a
a
co-response
model
that
pittsburgh
has
created,
essentially
ahn,
we
partner
with
the
public
health
system.
So
I
think
when
we
talk
about
you
know
what
happens
to
people
that
are
being
pulled
over.
F
You
know
in
a
lot
of
different
situations
and
then
could
become
incarcerated
without
being
charged
yet,
and
you
know
all
the
different
effects
that
can
happen
to
the
system.
F
This
outreach
program
is
doing
diversion
like
every
day
you
know,
and-
and
so
I
just
wanna,
I
don't
wanna
lose
focus
of
what
this
conversation
is
and
specifically
what
I
know
we're
talking
about
traffic
stops.
But
you
know
there
is
a
an
overdose
crisis.
You
know
all
across
the
state
specifically
here
and
how
the
pits
how
the
city
and
allegheny
county
can
work
together
is
is,
during
this
crisis,
we're
losing
more
people
to
overdose
death
than
we
are.
F
In
the
way
of
a
motor
vehicle
accident
or
a
shooting,
so
it's
exponentially
more
and
actually
the
the
stats
are
here.
It's
affecting
the
black
community,
the
most
right
now
it's
you
know.
The
pandemic
has
not
been
at
all
friendly
towards
that.
You
know
the
black
community
in
terms
of
the
the
recent
spike
with
overdose.
So
sorry,
I'm
using
this
moon
to
talk
about
talk
about
this,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize.
F
A
And
councilman
wilson,
you
know,
I
want
to
say
we
had
a
meeting
with
the
county
executive,
the
other
day
discussing
mental
illness,
and
you
know
avenues
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
into.
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
on
that.
I
think
we
should
have
a
separate
post
agenda
on
that
once
we
gather
our
information
yeah.
F
You
know
I
got
to
commend
you
because
I
think
a
lot
of
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
trying
to
break
down
the
barriers
to
this
conversation,
and
I
was
extremely
pleased
to
know
that
you
know
you
put
this
together.
This
is
the
direction
you
that
you've
taken
this
post
agenda
and
I'm
happy
to
you
know,
talk
and
work
with
you
on
the
several
other
meetings
to
try
and
address,
like
you
know,
we
need
to
get
in
every
room.
We
can
to
talk
about
these
issues
so
happy
to
work
with
you
yep.
F
F
My
my
mode
is
to
go
with.
You
know,
thanking
electives
first
and
then
do
the
whole.
H
F
So
I
appreciate
everyone
yeah.
H
M
A
Yes-
and
you
know,
I
just
want
to
say
first
of
all,
our
council
president
she's
incredible-
it's
like
she
has
eight
children
between
our
council
members
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
staying
here.
I
see
her
phone
is
just
like
blowing
up
next
to
me
with
other
council
members
and
media
and
everything
else,
but
you
know
thank
you
for
all
you
do
for
us
as
a
body.
We
really
appreciate
that,
and
you
know
I
especially
want
to
thank
all
of
our
guests
each
and
every
one
of
you.
A
I
thought
we,
you
know,
had
a
very
productive,
very
constructive
meeting,
councilman
thomas
dawn
and
care.
Thank
you
so
much
for
traveling
across
state.
You
know
it
was
very
important.
You
know
we
were
going
to
do
everything
of
course
digitally
originally,
but
when
he
mentioned
when
councilman
thomas
said
you
meet
in
person-
and
I
said,
get
him
over
here,
so
couldn't
be
more
pleased
that
you
came
in
and
any
final
comments
on
your
part
before
we
close
the
meeting.
Thank.
D
A
Great
well,
listen
thanks!
Thanks
again
for
everybody,
and
until
we
meet
again
this
meeting's
adjourned.