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From YouTube: Pittsburgh City Council Post-Agenda - 11/1/22
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Discussion on the ARPA spending plan update
A
A
Welcome
everyone.
Thank
you
for
coming
to
the
today's
discussion
on
the
American
Rescue
plan,
the
arpa
spending
Plan
update
first
I'd
like
to
recognize
that
council
president
straussberger
is
here
and
then
for
our
budget
panel
here
I'd
like
to
go
through
and
have
introductions
so
Peter.
If
you
like
to
Source
off.
D
A
Well,
I,
guess
it's
a
good
thing:
I
put
everyone
before
me:
that's
a
good
practice,
but
I
guess
I
should
introduce
myself.
I'm
Bobby
Wilson
represent
district
one
on
the
North
side
and
today
what
we
have
in
store
is
the
arpa
update.
Originally,
whenever
you
know,
I
was
talking
with
the
council
and
the
budget
staff.
The
thing
like
just
comes
up
about,
you
know
where
we
are
with
the
arbor
spending.
A
B
B
B
So
we
put
together
a
little
timeline
of
how
it
all
rolled
out.
It
started
in
March
of
2021
and
then
may
2021.
They
came
the
federal
government.
The
treasury
came
out
with
interim
final
rules
for
how
the
arpa
money
could
be
spent.
We
received
our
first
tranche
of
money
in
June
30th
of
2021
August
31st.
We
began
quarterly
reporting
and
then
January
2022,
effective
April.
1St
was
the
final
rules
issued
by
the
treasury
of
how
arpa
money
could
be
spent
and
then
June
30th
of
this
year.
D
D
They
issue
guidance
to
further
clarify
language
in
the
rules
you
know,
so
it's
think
about
the
ways
in
which
Council
might
adopt
an
ordinance
that
calls
for
departments
to
then
adopt
policies
and
procedures,
and
the
ordinance
would
be
five
pages
in
the
policies
and
procedures
could
be
300
right.
It's
it's
additional
supplemental
information
for
how
to
interpret
the
rule.
B
So
a
good
way
to
kind
of
dive
into
that
deeper
is
the
the
treasury
Department
released
these
four
broad
eligible
use
categories,
and-
and
these
are
more
like
talking
points
than
actual
spending
categories-
it's
just
like
a
jumping
off
point
for
how
we
would
talk
about
spending
arpa
money,
and
then
we
dive
a
little
deeper
into
the
seven
expansion
categories
that
you
see
here
and
one
that
I
would
like
to
point
out.
The
infrastructure
is
primarily
for
water
and
wastewater
and
broadband
internet
connection.
B
C
B
B
The
the
money
has
to
be
obligated
to
be
spent
by
the
end
of
the
year
in
2024,
and
it
must
be
fully
spent
by
the
end
of
the
year
in
2026.,
the
our
spending
plan
under
category
6.1
Revenue
replacement
provision
for
services,
which
is
where
the
most
of
what
the
city
has
budgeted
its
arpa
is
for.
It
may
not
exceed
to
calculated
Revenue
loss
on
a
calendar
year
basis,
an
OMB
Works
to
to
calculate
that
number
every
year.
It
needs
to
be
updated.
Every
year.
B
A
D
Effectively,
the
funds
need
to
be
under
contract
by
the
end
of
2024,
even
if
perhaps
the
actual,
if
we're
thinking
about
some
of
the
capital
projects
that
we
have
been
placed
in
the
arpa
plan,
the
actual
construction
might
happen
to
occur
in
the
spring
of
2025
or
be
a
long-term
construction
project
that
takes
some
time,
but
it
it
can't
just
be
budgeted
and
appropriated.
It
must
also
be
firmly
encumbered
by
a
contract.
E
A
B
So
we
also
wanted
to
talk
about
the
temporary
nature
of
arpa
funds.
It's
really
important
best
practice
to
follow
when
using
Arbor
money,
it's
important
not
to
create
new
ongoing
costs
that
are
going
to
last
beyond
when
we'll
run
out
of
arpa
money.
So
they
talk
about
how
critical
infrastructure
is
well
suited
due
to
the
non-recurring
nature.
B
But
we
want
to
think
really
hard
about
investing
in
things
like
reopening
swimming
pools
or
recreation.
Centers
that
have
weren't
open
currently
and
would
require
ongoing
operating
costs
throughout
the
future.
So
we
already
have
issues
Staffing
pools
and
rec
centers,
and
if
we
continue
to
open
even
more
like,
we
had
to
make
sure
that
we
know
how
we're
going
to
pay
for
those
ongoing
operating
costs
beyond
the
time
frame
that
we
have
to
spend
arpa
funding
on.
B
D
D
The
reason
the
rationale
for
that
is
that
they
were
positions
that
were
temporarily
in
Jeopardy
of
needing
to
be
eliminated
because
of
the
temp
again.
The
sort
of
one-time
Revenue
drop
that
happened
during
arpa
or
happened
during
covet.
Excuse
me
and
arpa
is
allowing
us
to
sort
of
bridge
that
Gap
as
revenues
recover
to
be
able
to
fully
capture
those
positions
back
into
the
operating
budget,
which
our
current
sort
of
five-year
forecast
and
the
five-year
spending
plan.
D
That's
in
merrigani's
preliminary
budget
shows
will
occur
before
the
deadline,
so
we're
able
to
reabsorb
all
of
those
operating
costs
back
into
the
general
fund
by
the
end
of
2024.
anywhere,
where,
as
part
of
that
budget,
which
is
not
necessarily
the
topic
for
today,
where
we're
proposing
new
spending
on
positions,
those
that
new
spending
would
begin
in
the
general
fund
and
carry
forward
in
a
balanced
nature
through
the
entire
five-year
forecast.
So
we're
not
in
jeopardy
of
sort
of
the
exact
scenario
that
Pete's
cautioning
against
there.
D
We
are,
of
course,
also
allocating
significant
arpa
funds
to
capital
projects
which
meet
the
criteria
very
cleanly
because
they
are
constructed
and
then
done,
and
they
are
for
already
operational
facilities.
So
the
out
the
cost
of
the
ongoing
cost
of
operating
those
facilities
is
already
baked
in
it's
just
the
Capital
Improvements
that
are
being
captured
here
and
then
in
some
of
the
transfers
to
the
Ura
or
other
agencies.
You
know
they're,
either
one-time
costs
or
programs.
D
We
envision
might
continue
after
arpa
with
other
funds
if
they
prove
successful
during
this
period,
but
which
are
not
operating
in
nature,
they
could
Sunset
if
the
money
runs
out
and
we
don't
have
other
funds
to
do
to
carry
them
forward.
It's
our
hope
that
that
won't
be
the
case,
at
least
in
some
of
them,
but
we
have
that
flexibility,
so
I
think
we're
I,
think
again.
Pete's
spot
on
in
this
analysis
and
I
think
the
plan
we
have
at
the
moment
reflects
these
imperatives.
F
A
Mention
that
right
now,
I'm
just
asking
questions
but
I
I,
open
it
up
to
other
members
that
are
here,
I'd
like
to
keep
it
going,
maybe
till
the
end
to
keep
keep
get
some
con.
You
know
some
deeper
comments
or
more
deeper
questions,
or
you
know
some
questions
you
maybe
you
came
with
but
feel
free
to
stop
and
ask
a
question,
but
I
would
like
to
get
through
all
the
slides,
though
so
just
be
mindful
of
that.
How.
B
So
next
I
want
to
dive
into
the
the
city
specifically
and
and
their
arpa
plan.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
had
about
335
million
dollars
and
we
received
it
in
those
two
trenches
last
year
and
this
year
and
that
just
kind
of
outlays
right
there
and
all
this
can
also
be
found
in
the
operating
budget,
the
the
four
years
and
and
how
well
it's
budgeted
throughout
those
four
years.
B
And
then
this
is
just
a
little
bit
of
a
deeper
dive
into
how
the
city
budgeted
the
arpa
funding
in
accordance
with
those
seven
expenditure
categories
outlined
by
the
treasury
and
I
will
note.
I
talked
to
ree
about
this
earlier,
some
of
the
category,
some
of
the
expenditures
in
category
6.1,
the
revenue
replacement.
A
lot
of
that
is
going
towards
the
Ura,
so
it
will
be
move
to
category
2.3
for
the
negative
economic
impacts.
I.
E
We
had
them
tapped
into
6.1
Revenue
replacement,
but
a
lot
of
those
projects
do
have
clear
indications
of
negative
economic
impact
because
of
covet
19..
So
as
those
contracts
finalize
and
as
each
quarterly
spending
plan
that
I
submit
to
treasury
is
updated,
you
know
some
of
these
might
shift
up
into
a
two
point,
something
for
negative
economic
impact.
C
F
F
F
B
D
They're
not
for
positions,
it's
it's
the
same
projects
and
Cat
and
expenditures
that
are
already
in
the
plan,
so
I
think
the
own
PGH
program
or
other
programs
like
that.
What
the
actual
money
is
being
expended
on
doesn't
change
as
the
agreements
with
the
Ura
to
move
those
funds
to
them
to
administer.
Those
programs
are
finalized
in
the
course
of
finalizing
those
agreements
and
in
the
URI
adopting
its
policies
and
procedures
for
those
new
programs.
We
sometimes
identify
that
the
that
additional
documentation
provides
a
rationale
to
report
it
under
a
different
category.
G
I
also
wanted
to
follow
up
on
the
Ura
question.
Typically,
all
our
allocations
to
the
RA
are
done
by
reimbursement,
so
the
cdpgs
ETC-
and
we
had
some
discussion
about
this
when
we
first
did
the
arpa
allocations,
including
the
city
controller.
So
my
question
is
in
these
new
agreements
with
Ura.
Are
we
actually
deducting
the
75
million
from
our
trust
fund
and
moving
it
to
the
Ura,
or
is
it
going
to
be
done
as
per
usual
on
a
reimbursement
level
so
that
they
disperse
the
money
and
then
we
backfill
it.
D
It's
being
done
essentially
on
a
reimbursement
basis,
but
with
an
initial
basically
working
capital
Frontage,
so
that
they
can
begin
administering
the
programs
with
an
initial
upfront
infusion
of
cash
and
then
charge
reimbursements
back
against
that,
so
that
the
the
funds
will
move
to
them
on
a
reimbursement
basis.
But
with
a
bit
of
Frontage.
E
G
The
frontage
has
not
left
the
trust
fund,
yet
no,
okay,
so
and
I
do
ask
just
for
the
record
and
then
I'll.
Let
us
continue
that,
as
I've
said,
you
know,
when
we've
had
other
discussions
at
the
table,
it's
really
council's
job
to
make
sure
that
we
meet
these
deadlines,
and
so
that's
why
we're
having
these
post
agendas,
which
we're
grateful
for
so
that
we
can
say
like
hey
if
this
one's
not
moving
fast
enough,
not
that
it's
not
a
great
program,
but
we
can
move
it
towards
the
same
social
outcomes
it
through.
A
E
There
are
clearly
indicated
in
the
contracts
which
the
controller
I
believe
has
put
up
on
open
book.
Pittsburgh
awesome.
It
is
in
a
strict
term.
You
know
if-
and
this
is
what
I
was
alluding
to
earlier-
if
you
know
I
believe
it's
April
1st
2024,
the
city
will
re-evaluate
what
the
actual
status
of
the
project
is,
and
at
that
time
we
have
the
right
to
to
reallocate
I.
B
A
B
We'll
give
you
some
jumping
off
points
and
here's
just
another,
a
visual
of
a
breakdown
of
of
how
the
the
city
is
allocated,
the
arpa
money
and
you
can
see
over
half
of
it-
is
going
towards
operating
money
on
a
day-to-day
basis
for
the
city
and
and
here's
a
further
breakdown.
A
closer
look
of
those
operating
adventures
and
I'll.
B
Note
that
over
60
of
this
and
this
kind
of
goes
back
to
something
the
director
pawlak
noted,
went
towards
eliminating
anticipated
Workforce
reductions,
which
is
a
good
reminder
of
where
we
were
at
a
couple
of
years
ago.
We
expected
that
we
were
just
going
to
have
to
cut
a
ton
of
positions.
So
the
majority
of
that
operating
money,
which
is
the
majority
of
of
all
of
our
our
money,
went
towards
reducing
that
offset.
B
B
D
I'll
just
very
quickly
note
that,
as
this
is
you
know,
supporting
day-to-day
operations,
salaries
and
things
of
that
nature.
We're
we're
under,
as
you
would
expect,
on
target
to
expend
all
of
these
funds
on
schedule,
because
we
knew
the
costs
heading
into
the
allocation
plan.
Pretty
precisely
so.
No
concerns
in
our
ability
to
expend
These
funds
on
time.
E
H
Question
on
this,
while
we're
on
operating
budget,
how
do
we
reconcile
then
the
the
tension
between
the
arpa
funds?
You
know
disappearing
after
2024
and
you
know
our
five-year
forecast
a
or
Five-Year
Plan
operating
operating
budget
positions,
that
are
like
say,
restoration
of
non-personnel.
Oh
sorry,
that's
non-personnel
restore
some
vacant
positions
right,
some
that
will
persist
beyond
that
period.
How
do
we,
how
do
we
I.
D
It
would
not
have
been
able
to
do
so
last
year
or
this
year
or
in
some
of
the
intervening
years,
without
the
support
of
arpa
as
that
bridge,
but
acting
as
a
bridge,
it
gets
a
it
pushed
the
hit
of
those
returning
to
the
general
fund
out
to
a
point
at
which
the
general
fund
can
sustain
them.
So
it's
serving
its
exact
purpose
in
that
instance,
and.
H
D
B
So
next
moving
on
here's,
a
breakdown
of
the
almost
60
million
dollars,
budgeted
for
city
capital
projects
and
here's
just
another
visual
of
those
same
projects
and
and
the
progress
we've
made
in
obligating
and
spending
the
money
on
those
capital
projects.
It's
important
to
note
that,
due
to
the
nature
of
capital
projects
and
we've
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
already,
it
does
take
longer
to
spend
Capital
money.
You
have
to
it's
a
it's
a
long
process
from
from
planning
it
to
designing
to
constructing
everything.
G
The
capital
budgets
are
the
slowest
projects
and
we
are
one
of
the
14
Benchmark
cities
in
the
nation
that
are
have
our
our
preliminary
budget
most
heavily
on
capital
projects
right
and
so
that
these
are
relief
funds.
They
were
meant
for
things
like
homeless
shelters.
They
were
meant
for
things
like
temporary
housing.
They
were
meant
for
things
like
child
care
and
food,
the
kinds
of
social
infrastructure
that
the
bite
Administration
hasn't
otherwise
been
able
to
we're,
hoping
they'll,
be
able
to
provide
cities
and
that
these
funds,
other
cities,
are
using
these
funds.
G
That
ways
shorter
term,
yes
alleviating
the
stress
on
neighborhoods
because
of
covid,
absolutely
emergency
relief,
absolutely,
and
so
there
there
are
ways
that
so
don't
don't
be
too
stressed.
There
are
other
ways
we
can
do
capital
projects
and
if
we
need
to
spend
these
arpa
funds
sooner,
there
are
ways
that
other
cities
are
are
providing
models
for
reinvesting
in
communities,
but
with
tighter,
tighter
timelines.
A
D
I
I
think
largely
the
the
the
overview
that
was
just
provided.
There
is
correct.
First
of
all,
starting
with
it
is
true
that
capital
projects
as
compared
to
operating
activities
have
a
longer
lead
time
right,
there's,
there's
preliminary
design,
there's
planning,
design,
bidding
and
then
construction.
So
it's
not
unusual
or
unexpected
that
these
projects,
while
they
are
all
advancing,
have
not
drawn
significantly
against
their
allocations
yet,
and
we
anticipate
that
you
will
see
a
market
uptick
in
that
as
currently
allocated
into
next
year
when
more
of
them
Reach
construction
phase.
D
So
so
that's
true,
it
is.
It
is
also
true
that
this,
the
spending
plan
that
was
adopted
last
year
does
have
a
large
number
of
capital
projects
in
them,
meaning
that
a
great
deal
of
capital
projects
were
started
at
the
same
time,
and
that
in
turn
does
mean
that,
to
some
degree
they
compete
with
each
other
for
bandwidth,
and
that
also
leads
to
some
of
the
the
timing.
Work
to
your
point.
D
Yet
we
have
including
a
few
times
this
year,
asked
Council
and
appreciate
council's
authorization
to
make
minor
modifications
to
some
of
those
capital
projects,
moving
funds
to
already
shovel
ready
projects
that
had
a
funding
Gap
and
where
we
do
so,
we've
I
actually
think
in
most
of
those
cases,
it's
been
in
instances
where
the
original
budget
for
a
project
was
greater
than
what
now
appears
to
be
the
necessary
costs
after
design
is
completed.
So
we've
reshuffled
in
a
few
of
those
instances
to
close
gaps
on
a
few
projects.
B
Okay
moving
forward:
these
are
the
remaining
budgeted
expenditures
that
don't
fall
into
the
the
capital
or
Ura
Pro
categories
that
we
talked
about
and
the
one
that
I
wanted
to
know.
There's
there's
17.5
million
dollars
going
towards
lead
line,
replacement
and
Wastewater
lateral
replacement
going
to
pwsa.
So
that's
kind
of
calls
back
to
the
infrastructure
projects
that
we
had
outlined
much
earlier
and
here's
a
progress
report
for
those
projects.
B
Okay,
moving
on
the
overall
status
of
the
funds
to
date,
based
on
which
again
thank
you
for
the
the
compliance
report.
Ome
put
together,
the
total
amount
obligated
118
million
of
that
85
million,
almost
86
million
has
actually
been
spent
out
the
door,
so
that
leaves
about
216
million.
That
still
needs
to
be
obligated
and
then
spent.
B
D
Yeah
I
mean
we're
not
at
that
point,
yet
you
know
I
I.
Obviously
the
the
April
1st
2024
date
is
part
of
the
establishing
the
established
adoptions.
I
I.
Imagine
that
we'll
have
again.
There
are
some
instances,
as
I
said
where
we
are
proposing
small
adjustments
this
year
and
then
I
think
I
I
would
say
by
six
months
into
fiscal
23.
D
At
that
point,
we'll
have
I
think
an
actionable
picture
on
which,
in
the
instance
of
again
on
the
operating
side,
I,
don't
anticipate
anything
major
changing
there
on
the
Capitol
and
the
outside
sub-recipient
side.
You
know
we'll
be
far
enough
along
into
those
project:
executions,
whilst
at
the
same
time
close
enough
to
the
the
deadline
to
make
some
of
those.
D
D
F
C
F
D
You
know
it
this
is.
This
is
an
area
where
there's
understandable
disagreement
from
a
from
the
simple
point
of
view
of
expenditure
right
of
Rapid
expenditure,
I
would
say
that
shovel
ready,
otherwise
shovel
ready
capital
projects
that
may
have
have
a
cost
overrun
due
to
inflation
and
the
increased
cost
of
materials
and
construction
would
be
the
fastest
right.
Now.
G
Thank
you
right
and
so
I'm
gonna
wave,
some
more
of
these
pie
charts
around
just
as
an
example.
Baltimore
got
about
twice
as
much
money
as
we
did
right,
641
million
and
that
big
green
slice.
The
pie
is
Public
Health
right
now
they
have
a
health
department
and
we
don't,
but
you
can
include
under
those
kind
of
expenditures.
Things
like
you
know:
immunization
offices,
funding
for
Telehealth
infrastructure
for
the
city,
food
insecurity.
G
Sorry,
we
were
just
talking
about
that
home
delivery,
grocery
boxes,
grab-a-go
meals
for
seniors
people
with
disabilities,
vulnerable
residents
and
also
funding
for
the
additional
staff
right
to
protect
seniors
and
the
disabled
communities.
And
there
are
many
examples
like
that
in
that
category.
In
other
cities,
Charlotte
North
Carolina
got
about
a
third
of
what
we
got
right,
but
they've
got
25
percent
of
their
revenue
in
housing.
So
it's
different
than
a
city,
capital
budget
and
under
housing.
G
We
see
responses
like
responses
to
homelessness,
homeless,
shelters
right
where
we
are
funding
the
kinds
of
things
that
we've
been
struggling
to
fund.
Otherwise,
right
that
we
know
are
really
needs
that
our
citizens
are
experiencing,
that
otherwise
we're
kind
of
scrambling
around
looking
for
the
money
to
do,
and
so
it
is
different
than
we.
This
Council
voted
I
didn't
vote
to
support
the
current
budget,
but
the
arpa
budget.
G
You
know
in
the
summer
of
2021,
but
this
is
you
know,
we're
also
nearly
three
years
into
the
pandemic
and
our
needs
are
changing
right,
and
so
we
did
maybe
at
that
time
didn't
anticipate
that
would
still
be
in
this
pandemic
and
our
citizens
would
still
be
incurring
these
needs
right,
and
so
here
in
in
Cincinnati
there
was
three
million
dollars
for
a
non-profit
emergency
shelter,
housing
and
at
6.4
million
dollars
to
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
right.
So
we
there
these
there
are
14
different
cities
that
we
typically
in
my
office.
G
Compare
ourselves
to
that
are
typical.
You
know
Pittsburgh
Benchmark
cities
and
I.
The
important
part
is
that
the
all
of
these
cities
keep
reevaluating
where
they
are
now
and
where
their
citizens
are
now
and
so
they're
reevaluating
their
allocation,
so
I
admit
that's
the
second
time.
I'll
make
that
point.
So
I'll
stop
making
it
but
I
appreciate
the
time.
B
D
G
B
A
A
D
The
answer
to
that
question
is
both
yes,
but
also
that
it's
an
ongoing
project,
Kristen
Erickson
in
the
law
department,
is
Law's
primary
lead,
who
works
closely
and
regularly
with
Patrick
on
continuous
review.
We
also
have
an
outside
accounting,
firm,
mardusel
advising
us
on
this,
and
so
so
the
representatives
from
ardu,
so
law
and
OMB
are
in
regular
communication
about
the
plan.
The
project
status,
the
agreements,
contracts,
invoices
right
that
that's
a
an
ongoing
and
continuous
compliance
process.
D
Some
of
the
the
changes
that
we
brought
to
Council
on
an
interim
basis
this
year,
including
shifting
funds
to
the
bridge
Asset
Management
trust
fund,
we're
driven
by
a
clear
understanding
that
perhaps
some
of
the
originally
scheduled
allocations
were
ineligible
so
where
those
issues
are
identified,
we've
already
acted
to
address
them
and
Council
has
approved
those
changes
and
will
continue
to
do
that.
If
and
when
new
issues
of
that
nature
arise.
But
at
present
no
concerns.
D
The
the
second
question
is:
is
Administration
confident
the
capital
and
Ura
projects
will
be
completed
by
December,
31
2026,
considering
supply
chain
and
Workforce
challenges.
I
think
I've
already
spoken
to
that
in
part.
You
know
we
continuously
review
that
there
are
again
embedded
in
our
proposed
capital
budget.
Some
minor
tweaks
to
that
regard
and
I
think
more
will
come
over
the
course
of
FY
23..
D
So
we
again
we
continually
monitor
for
that
and-
and
there
are
some
there
aren't
clear
indications
necessarily
of
major
issues.
But
but
you
know
we
continue
to
track
that
and
then
finally,
can
the
administration
provide
a
list
of
projects
that
may
be
considered
under
the
alternative
spending
plan?
I
I
wouldn't
say
that
we
have
a
list
of
projects.
F
D
F
D
That
were
the
ultimate
consensus.
I
would
only
strongly
suggest
that
they'd
be
projects
that
are,
as
I've
said,
a
few
times
shovel
ready,
so
that
the
funds
could
move
quickly
rather
than
initiating
new
projects,
because
I
don't
think
we
could
likely
initiate
new
projects
and
get
through
the
entire
planning,
design
and
construction
process
starting
today
and
have
them
done.
E
A
Yeah,
given
that
we
went
through
some
of
us
through,
you
know,
like
you
know,
taking
a
break
during
the
slide
and
talking
about
it.
If
that
was
the
revised,
this
question
I
would
then
ask
you
know:
are
there
certain
time
points
or
deadlines
that
that
you
all
have
on
your
side
that
you
know
our
time?
Points
like
this
is
when
we
should
have
this
conversation,
because
you
know,
if
we
don't
do
this
now,
then.
D
Sure
being
that
the
original
allocation
was
adopted
and
the
projects
were
already
advancing
before
the
beginning
of
this
fiscal
year,
we've
taken
the
presumption
that
you
know.
We
would
only
shift
funds
away
from
an
already
authorized
and
advancing
project
if
it
weren't
going
to
be
done
in
time,
and
that
being
the
case,
I
would
say
our
internal
checkpoint
on
that
is
around
the
end
of
the
second
quarter
of
fiscal
year
2023..
That
will
be
the
point
at
which
it
will
be
I
think
sufficiently
clear
which
projects
are
are
falling
behind.
D
That's
a
limited
I
mean
that
that
had
there
are
presumptions
there
about.
You
know
the
the
existing
list
of
projects
continue
to
move
forward.
That's
obviously
something
that
is
the
subject
of
a
wider
conversation,
as
we
discussed
this
fiscal
23
capital
budget.
But
under
the
parameters
of
the
already
established
you
know,
Five-Year
Plan
arpa
allocation
plan,
Capital
Improvement
plan.
That
would
be
the
right
juncture.
A
C
H
The
Congress
has
passed
the
infrastructure,
investment
and
jobs
Act
and
the
inflation
reduction.
Act
I
realized
that
those
don't
have
the
same
might
not
have
the
same
kind
of
direct
benefit
to
cities
in
the
same
way
that
arpa
has.
But
knowing
what
you
know
about
those
bills
and
the
implementation
of
them
is
there
anything
that
you
foresee
shifting
around
to
accommodate
for
one
that
might
fit
a
project
better
and
have
a
longer
timeline
versus
arpa,
which
will
run
out
by
the
end
of
2024..
D
We
are
aggressively
pursuing
grant
opportunities
produced
by
those
pieces
of
legislation.
In
many
cases
where
we
can,
we
are
pursuing
grants
to
support
active
projects
as
I've
feel.
Like
I've
said
at
this
table
100
times
this
year.
You
know
the
the
current
the
budgets
that
exist
for
many
existed
for
many
of
these
projects
when
the
arpa
plan
was
adopted
or
when
the
fiscal
22
capital
budget
was
adopted
was
about
three
months
before
a
major
increase
in
inflation,
and
so
the
cost
of
most
projects
has
accelerated
pretty
dramatically.
D
So
we're
we're
available.
We're
seeking
Grant
funds
to
close
that
Gap
and
you
know,
keep
a
project
moving
with
our
existing
allocation
and
use
that
for
the
overage.
But
there
are
components,
particularly
of
the
infrastructure
and
jobs
act
that
produce
new
types
of
funding
for
new
types
of
projects
that
previously
had
not
been
federally
funded,
and
thus
we
didn't
have
projects
in
the
queue
in
that
way.
So
in
those
instances
we
are
exploring
applications
for
new
projects.
D
C
H
Very
busy
time
of
year,
for
them
too
I'm
sure
it's
going
to
be
a
fluid
situation
over
the
next
year
or
so,
as
we
determine
what
projects
are
moving
forward
as
expected,
which
ones
are
held
up,
which
ones
we
need
to
then
reallocate
from
to
another
faster
moving
allocation
opportunity,
and
you
know
which
other
grants
we
succeed
in
winning,
and
then
you
know,
money
can
be
shifted
elsewhere,
so
but
I'm
glad
to
know
that
we're
aggressively
going
after
those
competitive
bids.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
That's
all
I
had.
F
First
yeah,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
just
have
a
personal
meeting,
but
thank
you
councilman
Wolfson
for
holding
us.
You
know
the
more
I
more
information
I
can
get
on
our
funds.
The
better
and
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
noticed
17
and
a
half
million
dollars
towards
pwsa
is
that
all
lead
line
replacement
where's
that
how's
that
divided.
E
D
Replacement,
okay,
that
one,
if
I,
get
to
speak
a
bit
more
about
that
one.
That
is
a
a
pilot
program
that
pwsa
has
developed
to
assist
homeowners,
low-income
homeowners,
who've
had
their
waste
water,
lateral,
their
Sewer
Lateral
collapse
and
don't
have
the
funds
to
pay
for
a
repair
which
is
frequently
the
cause
of
all
kinds
of
complications
for
them
and
their
neighbors.
It
can
be.
It
can
cause
damage
to
the
right-of-way.
D
It
can
cause
their
home
to
become
not
occupyable,
because
they
don't
have
sewage
service,
but
frequently
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
pay
and-
and
many
homeowners
are
not
aware
that
they
own
their
sewage,
lateral,
Until,
It
Breaks.
So
this
has
been
an
issue.
That's
been
plaguing
the
city
for
decades,
as
we
have
aging
infrastructure.
D
You,
of
course,
can
get
insurance
for
your
lateral,
but
that
that's
an
emerging
market.
So
a
lot
of
people
don't
have
it.
This
would
be
a
pilot
program
to
assist
homeowners
without
the
ability
to
pay
for
the
repair
to
execute
a
repair
and
hopefully
address
some
of
those
and
the
goal.
There
would
be
that
if
it's
successful
that
there
might
be
ways
to
fund
that
into
the
future
or
that
for
pwsa
to
fund
that
into
the
Future.
F
Okay,
so
that
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
which
brings
me
to
I,
feel
it
my
duty
to
let
the
public
know,
and
you
all
know
that
pwsa
doesn't
do
lead
line
replacement
in
my
district.
They
have
a
different
water
company,
a
Pan-American,
so
I
just
always
feel
my
duty
to
say
when
we
have
17
million
dollars
of
arpa
money
going
into
some
project
or
projects
that
my
district
doesn't
benefit
from
it.
F
Just
to
be
clear,
you
know
we
will
have
to
deal
with
Pan
American
on
our
end,
so
so
I
never
failed
to
mention
that
it's
I
feel
kind
of
you
know.
I
wish
we
could
put
allocate
more
money
towards
the
sword
collapse,
like
you
say,
and
then
I
would
feel
a
little
bit
more
like
oh
okay.
Well,
we
have
sores
and
pwsa
is
responsible
for
our
storyline,
so
so
I
feel
like.
Maybe
we
could
adjust
that
number
a
bit,
because
is
that
all
the
money?
D
The
city
or
it's
a
pilot,
no
I
mean
the
the
scope
of
that
issue
is
certainly
greater.
It's
an
entirely
new
project
for
a
public
agency
to
take
that
kind
of
work
on
when
it's
privately
owned
infrastructure
and
not
something
that
pwsa
is
eligible
to
spend
rate
payer
money
on
because
they
don't
own
the
asset.
That's
why
this
outside
funding
was
necessary.
D
I
I,
too
I
I'm
I'm,
keenly
aware
of
this
issue
from
having
worked
at
pwsa
for
a
time
and
the
struggle
that
it
produces
when
there's
really
no
one
to
pick
up
the
bill.
Frankly,
for
a
project
like
this,
so
I'd
like
to
see
it
stood
up
and
become
successful
and
assuming
that
success
I
would
certainly
like
to
work
with
pwsa,
who
would
ultimately
be
the
recipient
in
the
funds
to
identify
other
sources
into
the
future.
F
F
Months
so
I
need
to
tell
my
district
that
we're
getting
a
possible
piece
of
that
500
000
for
our
sores
and
that's
all
we're
getting
from
that
17
and
a
half
million
dollars
correct.
Yes,
that's
correct.
Okay
I'll,
try
to
say
that
in
the
most
positive
manner
to
my
district,
but
it
doesn't
always
go
over
wealth
too.
So
well,
I
will
tell
you
because
we
have
other
needs.
Of
course.
F
The
other
thing
you
touched
on
Jake
was
capital
projects.
You
know
if
you'd
have
told
me
that
we'd
be
sitting
here
today
with
the
public
works
division.
You
know,
we
know
the
supply
chain
has
affected
that
by
years,
How
firm,
I,
guess
my
assumption
is
that
to
September
26th
September
of
26th
is
a
firm
deadline,
meaning
if
we
do
not
have
that
project
complete,
we
lose
the
money.
Is
that
right?
Sorry
could.
F
And
to
that
I
just
want
to
say,
you
know
with
Supply
chains.
So
if
we
have
a
big
Capital
project,
that's
a
10
million
dollar
project
and
if
the
supply
chain
doesn't
come,
if
there's
problems
with
the
supply
chain-
and
we
don't
finish
it-
that
is
a
firm
date
correct,
it
is
gone
and
even
though
we
might
be
under
contract
with
a
capital
project,
if
we
don't
have
it
finished
by
26,
do
we
what
happens?
F
I
mean
if,
if
we're
under
contract
in
2000
next
year-
and
we
don't
get
the
thing
finished-
blame
Supply
chains
just
for
now
what
happens
I
mean
we're
under
contract.
We
have
this
money
allocated
out
there
and
what
would
happen?
Would
the
government
still
sees
that
money
or
take
that
money
back?
We
would
lose
it.
E
The
answer
is
unclear,
I.
Imagine
what
we
would
do
right
now
right
pending
if
there
were
further
guidance
from
treasury
as
we
get
closer.
That's
a
this
answer.
Might
change
drastically,
but
I
think
we
would,
as
a
city,
still
want
to
complete
the
projects
we
would
just
have
to
massively
pivot
the
existing
capital
budget
for.
F
That
particular
year,
okay,
okay,
well
I,
wish
there
weren't
a
timeline.
Obviously
you
know
all
the
other
municipalities
are
under
the
same
timeline.
I
would
guess
correct
yes
and
it's
an
extraordinary
amount
of
money
to
allocate
and
to
find
where
to
spend
it,
and
my
fear
is
like
we
move
too
fast,
because
we're
forced
to
move
fast
on
this
when
we're
talking
about
335
million
dollars,
you
know
I
feel
like
we're
and
I'll
just
give
you
a
brief
example.
F
Councilwoman
gross
brings
it
up
all
the
time
she
had
people
in
here
just
last
week
for
and
she
was
showing
me
her
charts
about
food
security.
For
instance,
you
know
I
noticed
that
there's
most
other
cities
have
something
allocated
toward
that.
We
do
not
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
America
are
moving
too
fast,
or
do
we
not
feel
it's
important
enough,
but
you
know
when
I
see
17
million
dollars
of
this
money
going
into
a
different
District.
Well,
food
security
would
benefit.
F
D
F
Maybe
we
could
shift
the
money
around
where
my
district
can
benefit
more
since
we're
not
getting
any
of
that
17
million
all
right
so
in
other
avenues.
I
would
hope
it's
easier
for
me
to
go
to
my
district
and
say
here's
how
we're
spending
the
orphan
money,
when
I
show
them
17
million
going
to
pwsa
and
we're
getting
nothing
in
return.
It's
a
tough
sale
for
me.
You
know
so
I
hope
you'll
understand
that,
and
maybe
we
can
make
some
Provisions
to
make
people
the
fourth
district.
Happy!
That's
it
for
me.
G
G
This
is
a
a
very
unusual
once
in
a
generation
time
for
the
federal
government
to
be
putting
out
this
much
money
into
American
cities,
and
so
we
shouldn't
just
expect
the
same
staff
to
be
able
to
do
triple
the
work
and
we
should
be
Staffing
out
the
seeking
of
Grants
to
match
our
City's
needs,
whether
it's
things
that
we
are
able
to
currently
budget
for
or
things
that
we've
never
been
able
to
budget.
For
that
we
know
our
needs
and
that
have
we've
been
unable
to
budget
for
at
the
table.
G
D
So
this
was
appropriated
in
the
fiscal
year
2022
budget,
but
it
actually
came
into
fruition
this
year.
The
the
team
in
the
grants
office
has
grown
to
now
be
a
staff
of
three
with
the
the
third
staff
member
being
a
post-award,
essentially
compliance
and
and
Reporting
manager,
which
is
a
major
work
exactly
that
saves
a
lot
of
work
for
the
other
two
grants
officers
who
were
both
seeking
identifying
the
funding
opportunities
working
with
departments
to
prepare
the
application,
submitting
them
and
then
doing
the
the
post
award
reporting.
D
We've
now
got
a
dedicated
specialist
on
that
which
is
dramatically
freed
up
the
other
two
grants
officers,
time
to
pursue
New
Opportunities
and-
and
they
do
that
in
in
consultation
with
subject
matter.
Experts
in
the
Departments,
so
I
think
their
work
is
largely
on
I.
You
know
having
a
clear
understanding
of
what
the
pipeline
looks
like
identifying
those
opportunities.
D
Mentioned
and
then
socializing
that
with
the
folks
at
the
departmental
level
who
can
identify
projects
and-
and
you
know
again,
the
expertise
they
bring
is
more
on
understanding
the
flow
of
funds
process
than
the
the
project
types
I.
I
actually
think
that
we
have
a
pain
point
along
the
lines
of
what
you're
talking
about
in
securing
grants,
but
it's
more
project
management
capacity
within
the
Departments
that
execute
So
within
Domi
within
DPW,
in
particular
other
places
as
well.
D
What
we
need
is
larger
teams
of
capable
project
managers
to
actually
be
in
that
flow,
in
identifying
the
projects
and
the
funds
and
and
executing,
and
we
are
proposing
numerous
positions
of
that
type
in
the
mayor's
operating
budget.
For
that
reason,
so
I
would
say
totally
agree
with
the
spirit
of
your
comment.
We
may
be
executing
in
a
slightly
different
form,
but
but
aiming
in
the
same
place,
absolutely.
G
D
G
G
So
you
know
it:
we
we
shouldn't
worry
about
over
applying,
even
though
we
also
need,
as
you
rightfully
point
out,
to
increase
our
org
chart
with
those
project
managers
who
can
do
the
implementation.
But
this
is
fortuitous
and
I
bring
it
up
specifically
around
arpa,
because
I.
Remember
the
the
conversation
at
this
table
a
year
ago
that
these
arpa
funds
were
going
to
be
the
only
funds
for
cities.
G
Well,
that's
not
true.
There
are
many.
There
have
been
new
federal
funds,
but
it
still
won't
go
on
forever
and
that
some
of
those
new
federal
programs
are
specifically
pointed
at
the
kinds
of
capital
projects
that
Legacy
cities
like
Pittsburgh,
have
like
the
Wastewater
fundings,
that
is
specific
and
in
additional
to
the
arpa
funding,
like
the
lead
water
service
line
project
that
we're
so
grateful
that
the
vitamin
EPA
is
is
looking
at
and
supportive
of.
G
I,
don't
know
that
that's
in
I
would
think
that's
enough,
so
that
that
was
one
part
of
my
question,
but
just
to
follow
up
on
councilman
coghills
point
about
the
kind
of
public
health
section
of
the
arpa
spending
which
Pittsburgh's
pie
chart
is
very
skinny
on
our
Public
Health
utilization.
That's
also
was
meant
to
be
what
cities
did
with
this
funding.
G
We
had
the
public
hearing
about
testifying
for
a
food
Justice
fund,
which
would
be
not
only
for
food
security
for
today,
but
also
putting
in
place
the
kinds
of
small
business
infrastructure
that
supports
food
security
tomorrow.
So
I
also
do
think
it's
a
longer
term
investment
which
I
I
heard
very
well
that
council
members
wanted
to
not
just
spend
the
arpa
funds
on
money.
That
would
be
like
gone
immediately
and
not
be
able
to
see
long,
lasting
impact
and
I
think
that
the
food
Justice
fund,
properly
structured,
could
do
both.
G
So
it's
about
Hunger
relief,
absolutely
which
in
councilman
Cog
Hill's
District.
We
know
that
the
poorest
households
are
not
just
under
affordable
housing
pressure
and
rent
pressure,
but
also
food
and
child
care,
and
those
three
combine
to
put
our
families
in
very
precarious
situations,
to
the
point
that
they
lose
their
housing,
and
we
we
talk
a
lot
about
here
at
the
table
about
how
to
reinvest
in
communities.
What
can
we
do
for
our
kids
across
the
city?
G
Well,
what
we
can
do
is
make
sure
that
their
moms
can
pay
their
bills,
keep
their
housing
and
and
feed
them
right,
and
that
is
something
that
we
have
the
capacity
to
do
a
lot
better
than
we're
doing
now,
and
so
this
is
not
the
only
time
I
will
be
talking
about
it,
but
I
wanted
to
be
sure
not
to
fail
to
mention
it
today
in
the
in
the
discussion
about
arpa
funding
and
I
will
definitely
be
talking
to
the
administration
more
about
that
soon.
Thank
you,
Mr
chair.
A
Thank
you.
I
just
had
a
couple,
a
couple
questions
then
just
kind
of
like
an
idea
for
like
a
follow-up
update
post
agenda
on
this
and
happy
to
collaborate
on
when
the
best
time
to
have.
That
would
be
just
to
put
that
out
there.
The
so
I
noticed
in
the
operating
slide
you
put
in
the
ochs
ahm
project,
that's
at
10
million
that
we
allocated
when
I
look
deeper
into
it.
I
think
we
worked
together
on
this.
There
was
five
million.
F
A
This
up,
because
it's
you
know
counselors
or
sorry
crows.
You
bring
a
good
point
about
the
public
health
aspect
and
I
think
that
was,
you
know,
front
center
of
of
our
minds
when
we
were
allocating
this
These
funds,
specifically
to
the
understanding
that
this
program
would
address
issues
relating
to
homelessness
and
really,
you
know,
eviction
primarily
homelessness
and
then
and
then
also
the
alternative
response.
And
so
we
were
having
other
briefings
previously,
and
this
is
a
constant
topic
of
conversation
about
how
to
address
certain
different
public
health
concerns
and
larger
societal
problems.
A
And
really
this
was
a
program
initially,
when
I
I
saw
it
was
a
weight
that
we
could
really
partner
with
the
county.
Big
time
to,
you
know
to
really
make
sure
that
we're
doing
the
bulk
of
the
work
appropriately
on
on
the
ground,
with
Outreach
workers
and
connecting
them
to
the
available
housing.
As
we
see
housing
is
not
available.
E
E
If
we
have
legislation
before
the
end
of
the
year,
which
I
expect
to
happen,
we
will
be
able
to
then
hold
on
to
those
funds
and
move
them
to
continue
that
program
as
it
moves
through
Chief,
Frank
and
larger
gowski
and
our
partners
at
age
and
are
working
through
the
finer
details
of
the
contract.
Now
so.
E
D
D
E
D
A
C
C
D
A
A
I,
don't
want
to
belabor
each
individual
project,
so
I'll
just
make
a
general
kind
of
statement
about
what
I'm,
what
I
really
like
to
see
in
terms
of
an
update
and
I
think
I'd
like
to
collaborate
specially
with
everyone
that
showed
up
today.
All
council
members
kind
of
just
you
know,
put
this
together
initially,
so
we
can
just
all
get
on
the
same
page.
It
was
great
to
hear
from
everyone
and
I
just
think,
it'd
be
good
for
for
us
to
stay
together
on
this.
A
C
A
Each
of
us
can
really
understand
that,
especially
for
our
districts
and
and
our
community.
But
to
that
effect
also,
you
know
are
the
costs
rising
and
do
we
have
to
put
more
funds
into
it,
because
when
I
look
at
Cali,
Rex
and
I
was
like
I
think
I
think
there
was
a
total
of
seven
million
or
8
million
allocated
at
the
time.
A
You
know
the
only
Capital
project
that
I
was
a
part
of
was
a
playground,
so
you
know
in
the
community
sees
that
dollar
and
it's
really
hot.
You
know
it's
a
big
big
amount
of
money.
Obviously,
buildings
cost
a
lot
of
money,
but
just
as
we
move
forward
with
the
timeline,
I
think
that's
just
the
whole
conversation
we're
talking
about
it's
just
like.
When
do
we
just
offload,
when
do
we
completely
change
directions?
Sure
yeah,
so
a
nice
visual
I
mean
we'll
we'll.
D
Work
it
up
and
we
can
yeah
happy
happy
to
provide
that
or
work
to
provide,
we'll
have
to
pull
together
information
from
a
variety
of
sources.
So
it
might
take
a
little
time,
but
we
can
work
to
assemble
those
to
your
question
about
projects
being
over
budget.
You
know
the
point
at
which
we
typically
know
that,
with
the
fair
degree
of
certainty
this
when
the
designs
come
back
and
then
when
we
actually
bid
the
construction
and
we
get
the
bids
back,
whether
they've
come
back
higher
than
when
anticipated.
D
D
We
will
discover
that
in
these
projects
only
because
we
have
reached
that
same
point
in
many
other
projects
over
the
course
of
this
year
due
to
inflation,
and
that's
why
we
have
come
again,
not
some
only
in
one
or
two
instances
as
it
related
to
arpa,
but
in
many
other
projects
that
are
in
the
capital
budget.
You
know
we
have
a
shovel
ready
project
ready
to
go
to
construction,
except
it
has
a
funding
Gap,
and
so
that's,
where
we've
been
moving
funds
around
to
keep
them
moving.
A
Okay,
yeah
I
mean
initially,
you
know,
I'm
Rec,
I'm
thinking
or
recommending
that
we
would
bring
the
director
of
Domi
and
director
of
tpw,
and
you
know
I'm
not
sure
how
how
far
we'll
go.
We
just
fit
into
another
post
agenda,
but
it
would
be
good.
They
even
just
get
a
further
appeal
back.
The
onion
of,
like
you
know
here
directly
from
the
director
on
what
the
challenges
are
of
just
capital
projects
in
general
right
now
to
fit
that
in
as
well
I.
G
Thank
you.
It
occurs
to
me
to
ask
something:
I
didn't
ask
before
when
I
was
listening
to
your
answer
director,
which
is
that
sometimes
when
after
we've
done
design-
and
we
go
out
to
bid,
we
find
out
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
capacity
in
the
private
sector.
To
reply
to
those
rfps
right.
Are
you
seeing
anything
there?
Are
you
seeing
anything
thematically,
even
in
advance
of
you
know
us
doing
our
budget
hearings
with
the
individual
departments?
G
Is
there
anything
you're
seeing
in
the
market
and
again
just
a
reminder
to
the
public
that
we
don't
build
our
own
things
mostly,
and
we
could
build
our
own
things?
We
used
to
build
our
own
things,
but
we
mostly
don't
build
our
own
things
anymore.
We
we
get
the
idea
for
them.
We
get
the
money
for
them
and
then
we
hire
a
subcontractor.
D
Yeah
I
I,
wouldn't
I,
wouldn't
say
that
I've
noticed
or
identified
any
like
overarching
Trends
there.
We
do
occasionally
put
something
out
to
bid
and
get
fewer
responses
than
we
expected,
but
nothing
that
I
could
pin
down
for
you
today
as
a
trend
around
that.
At
the
moment
there
is
a
clear
Trend
around
cost
escalation,
as
I
was
saying,
but
not
around
responses,
but
I
can
certainly
check.
G
With
Chief
procurement,
a
Learning
lesson
that
we've
had
at
the
authorities
and
at
the
in
the
city
at
this
table
over
the
last
eight
years
is
that
it
was
helpful
to
pre-qualify
companies
right
and
so
you've
you've
come
in
under
that
system,
where
we
have
kind
of
pre-approved
vendors.
So
we
don't
have
to
vet
a
vendor
fresh
with
every
single
project,
because
we've
vetted
the
vendors
and
we
know
that
their
individual
capacities
and
that
allowed
the
Departments
or
the
authorities.
G
D
That
practice
and
utilize
the
pre-qualified
program
extensively
I
think
that
there
are
again
continual
lessons
being
learned
there
and
about
using
it
in
a
way
that
addresses
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
councilwoman,
which
is
you
know,
the
ability
to
kind
of
have
a
robust
list
in
advance
and
and
take
off
bite-sized
chunks.
I
think
that
there
may
be
some
instances
where
we
become
a
little
over
reliant
on
it
because
of
its
expediency
and
where
we
might
from
we're
exploring.
You
know
some
new
criteria
around
when
to
more
concrete
criteria.
G
Say
with
landline
replacement
and
we've
done
even
in
little
bits
and
bytes
here
at
Dome
with
you
know,
having
be
able
to
do
I
think
our
only
own
thermoplastic.
Finally,
are
we
doing
our
own
thermoplastic,
for
example,
and
we
used
to
only
subcontract
out
for
that,
and
so
it
really
helps
us
deploy
projects
faster.
We've.
F
F
No,
oh
you're
part
of
the
problem
I'm
joking
about
about
that
I
think
it's
great
I
wish
everybody
would
take
it,
but
I
could
tell
you
just
from
it
being
in
an
industry
contractors,
General
Contractors
they'd,
rather
not
work
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
and
for
many
reasons
not
just
because
of
having
to
take
the
lead
safety
course
just
a
lot
of
red
tape.
You
know
whether
it's
seeking
out
the
permits
and
things
you
need,
I,
wonder
and
I
will
check
this.
F
F
Are
we
not
going
to
I
mean
pli
does
not
submit
that
license
to
them
because
they
didn't
take
say
just
this
course.
This
is
for
one
example:
are
we
not
going
to
do
business
with
them
anymore,
I
mean
because
I
do
feel
that
contractors
shy
away
from
the
city.
There
are
certain
few
that
do
business
with
the
city
on
a
regular
basis
and
they're
used
to
kind
of
jumping
through
the
Hoops,
but
you
know
yeah
well,.