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From YouTube: Pittsburgh City Council Post-Agenda - 5/23/23
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Discussion on Fleet Vehicles
A
A
Thank
you
and
I
want
to
welcome
my
guests
here
today.
I'm
councilman,
Anthony
coghill,
and
this
is
a
post
agenda
regarding
our
Fleet
through
all
departments,
police,
Fire,
EMS
and
public
works,
and
we
are
here
represented
by
all
different
branches.
And
if
we
could
start
just
by
introducing
ourselves
to
the
public
knows
who
you
are
and
then
we'll
start
with
the
fire
department
and
Brian
we're
looking
forward
to
hearing
as
to
what
your
you.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
folks
and
let
the
record
be
shown
I'm
joined
by
councilwoman,
Barbara,
Warwick
and
councilman
Bobby
Wilson.
Thank
you
for
being
here
and
I.
Just
want
to
open.
With
this.
You
know
when
I
was
appointed
to
the
equipment,
leasing,
Authority
board,
you
know,
I
know
we
always
have
issues
as
to
you
know
paying
for
new
vehicles.
It's
very
expensive,
and
you
know
we
have
many
of
them.
A
So,
just
through
all
of
our
conversations
and
kind
of
analyzing,
where
we're
at
in
each
department,
I
felt
it
was
important
for
you
all
to
speak
directly
to
council
and
to
the
public
and
let
people
know
where
we
are
with
our
Fleet
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
go
to
Chief
Jones
in
the
fire
department,
for
your
opening
presentation
as
to
Enlighten
us
as
to
where
you
feel
we
are
at
this
stage
with
fire
engines
and
pumper
trucks
and
everything
else
that
you
need.
Please.
B
Thank
you,
councilman.
We
are
in
Dire
Straits,
we,
our
Fleet,
is
aging
and
the
maintenance
is
becoming
more
and
more
expensive
and
our
call
volume
is
increasing,
so
I
call
for
services.
It's
going
UPS.
There
is
a
massive
supply
chain
chain
issue
that
also
affects
the
fire
manufacturers.
So
the
time
to
receive
a
truck
once
is
ordered
has
been
extended,
so
an
engine,
for
example.
Right
now.
If
we
ordered
it
today,
it
will
be
arriving
in
two
plus
years
and
a
Truck
would
take
approximately
four
years.
B
G
G
Cares
act.
Money
across
the
nation
has
has
given
a
lot
of
municipalities
the
opportunity
to
purchase
significant
increases
in
their
Fleet
couple,
that
with
the
supply
chain
challenges
and
now
that
what
is
an
unprecedented
order,
we
are
seeing
much
more
extended
lead
times
for
the
production
of
fire
apparatus.
On
average,
an
aerial
ladder
truck
would
be
four
years.
On
average,
a
new
pumper
would
be
two
years
specialty.
G
Vehicles
are
somewhere
between
three
and
four
years
lead
time,
even
the
purchase
of
a
pickup
truck
or
a
command
SUV
is
now
extended,
because
not
only
the
production
but
but
then
the
the
upfit
of
the
same.
So
when
we
look
at
these
challenges,
coupled
with
the
age
of
our
current
Fleet
and
I,
believe
that
Mr
Walton
would
have
a
much
better
perspective
on
the
cost
associated
with
that
there
are.
There
are
times
where
we're
investing
money
to
repair
vehicles
that
are
well
beyond
their
effective
lifespan.
G
In
our
heavy
run
environment,
coupled
with
our
terrain
coupled
with
the
the
fire,
Duty
and
service
that
are
these
vehicles
are
undergoing,
our
desired
state
would
be
a
seven
years
maximum
front
line
service
with
three
years.
In
reserve
and
then
the
ability
to
offload
that
vehicle
to
recoup
some
value.
What
we
have
now
is
we
we
can
only
dispose
of
vehicles
when
they
are
completely
beyond
their
anybody's
serviceable
life.
Just
because
we've
we've
over
the
course
of
time.
G
There
have
been
years
where
there
were
purchases
not
made
if
we
could
look
back
into
what
what
the
proposed
program
involves
is
a
it's,
a
comprehensive
Fleet
plan
which
distributes
that
impact
over
multiple
years,
rather
than
the
large
gap
purchases
which
which
then
all
go
end
of
life
at
about
the
same
time.
So
again,
we've
got
some.
We
have
provided
the
you
and
the
ELA
board,
an
assessment
of
the
fleet,
a
report
with
that,
and
and
also
now,
a
comprehensive
plan
moving
forward
to
replace
those
vehicles.
I
I
I
I
I
A
You
thank
you.
Mr
leech
and
I
will
tell
you
as
chair
of
Public
Works
I'm,
now
chair
of
Public
Safety,
but
Public
Works
I
knew
we
had
issues
within
the
department,
and
you
know
director
hornstein
will
be
up
here
in
a
little
while
addressing
that
Pittsburgh
Police
Department
I
knew
we
had
issues,
and
you
know
the
director,
Schmidt
and
I
have
talked
about
that
and
Brandon
and
I
have
gone
through
that,
but
it
wasn't
until
Brian
you
and
I
and
Timmy
and
Ralphie
met
a
couple
weeks
ago.
A
That
I
realized
the
importance
in
this
fire
department.
I
didn't
realize
and
chief
to
hear
you
see,
Dire
Straits,
that's
what
I
need
the
other
council
members
are
here.
That's
what
I
need
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
to
hear
because
it
is
Dire,
Straits
I
see
it.
I
know
it
now,
just
from
our
conversations
I
want
to.
Thank
you
all
for
enlightening
me.
My
job
now
is
to
Enlighten
the
other
council
members
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
and
the
administration.
Of
course.
A
I
know
they're
well
aware
of
the
the
situation
and
I
did
want
to
say
one
thing.
This
is
not
recent
to
this
Administration.
This
goes
back
years.
It
reminds
me
a
little
bit
of
the
police
department
with
our
lack
of
numbers
with
our
police
officers.
It's
been
ignored
for
years
and
years,
and
now
it's
all
catching
up
to
us.
As
you
said
to
me
now
we
have
to
make
one
large
purchase.
We
need
to
stagger
that
out.
A
Brian
if
you
have
a
plan
like
that
that
you
could
present
to
us
as
to
how
we
could
just
keep
up
to
speed
and
what
we
need
to
get
up
to
speed
now.
Actually
too
I
would
love
to
know.
You
know
how
many
Pumpers,
how
many
trucks,
how
many
you
know,
pickup
trucks,
every
vehicle
you
need
in
order
to
bring
us
up
to
to
speed,
but
before
Brian
I'll
give
you
a
little
bit
of
time
to
you
know,
mow
over
that
looks
like
you
have
those
right
in
front
of
you:
okay,
I!
A
J
So
I
guess
I,
don't
know
if
I
didn't
specifically
think
of
talking
about
fire.
But
that's
that's
who
we've
got
here,
but
just
in
general,
I,
I
guess
I
mean
across
the
board.
I
mean
for
Public
Safety
in
particular.
I
guess
I
would
want
to
know.
Has
there
ever
been
a
case
where
we
have
not
responded
in
a
timely
manner,
because
we
did
not
have
a
vehicle
that
could
get
get
you
know
to
the
emergency.
B
From
the
fire
standpoint,
I've
been
here
16
years
now
and
we
have
not
so
as
Mr
Lee
stated,
everything
works
on
a
system
very
seldom
does
one
rig
go
out
by
itself,
maybe
for
a
medical
call
before
a
fire
emergency.
There
is
a
multiple
rig
response.
The
first
alarm
will
get
us
five
engines
and
two
trucks
and
two
chiefs.
So,
although
that
one
rig
was
down-
and
as
he
also
stated
time
is
of
the
essence,
when
that
happens,
we've
dodged
a
lot
of
raindrops
with
that.
B
So
when
one
rig
is
down,
I
still
have
30
more
backing
it
up,
but
there's
a
Time,
Gap
and
time
is
critical.
So
to
date
no
there
hasn't
been
anything,
but
on
the
flip
side
of
that,
that
just
means
the
numbers
are
going
against
us
right
and
pretty
soon
the
law
of
averages
will
start
going
against
us.
If
we
don't
do
something
now
about
this.
J
D
J
And
I
guess
for
Public,
Safety
or
sorry,
not
Public,
Public,
Works
and
I
know
director
hornstein.
So
do
we
have
any
examples
of
situations
where
Public
Works
couldn't
do
work
that
it
needed
to
do
because
because
of
Fleet
issues
like
Vehicles
were
down
and-
and
we
just
couldn't
do
what
we
needed
to
do-
I'm.
K
A
K
Oh,
absolutely
anything
involving
trimming
in
the
right-of-way
to
keep
the
right-of-way
safe
and
clear
and
visible
are
what
we
have
as
a
piece
of
equipment
tiger
mower
we've
had
several
of
those
down.
In
that
situation
we
are
forced
to
hand
cut
which
takes
quadruple
the
time,
and
so
what
folks
will
see
is
the
situations
whereby
the
right-of-way
becomes
more
unsafe.
K
We
also
have
situations
where
garbage
collection
is
seriously
delayed
because
we're
waiting
on
vehicles
to
be
returned
from
maintenance
so
that
we
can
begin
the
shift.
So
we
both
have
employees
waiting
for
service.
We
have
citizens
waiting
for
service
while
we're
waiting
for
the
vehicle
to
be
operational.
J
J
Our
guess
so
this
and
this
site
would
probably
be
more
specific
to
fire.
So
are
there
cases
so
you
know
the
vehicle
specifically
I
think
like
a
fire
truck,
has
a
certain
lifespan
right,
which
means
a
certain
number
of
trips.
Are
there
ways
that
we
could
respond,
and
maybe
this
is
like
a
co-response
public
safety
thing
too,
where
we
could
be
more
targeted
in
how
we're
using
specific
vehicles
to
respond
to
specific
things,
so
that
we're
not
taking
out
like
giant
fire
trucks
to
respond
to
something
that
doesn't
require
the
equipment
on
that
truck
like?
J
J
B
7-0,
okay,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
than
that
EMS
related
calls
and
calls
where
rig
doesn't
have
to
have
a
pump
or
a
ladder
to
to
assist
the
pair
the
patients.
If
we
were
to
get
specialty
vehicles,
that
would
mean
an
SUV
or
a
van
or
some
other
smaller
vehicle
for
the
30
plus
stations
that
we
have
I,
don't
see
that
as
being
cost
effective
and
if
I
have
a
crew
inside
that
particular
vehicle
and
a
fire
comes
while
they're,
either
leaving
the
patient
or,
at
the
same
time
after
transferring
care
of
the
patient.
B
J
B
It's
just
the
way.
It
is
that's
the
the
nature.
We
are
an
older
population.
Now
the
Baby
Boomers
aimi
are
getting
to
the
age
where
things
start
to
hurt
all
the
time
and
we're
having
medical
problems.
We
are
the
largest
segment
of
the
population
generally
in
the
country
and
along
with
that,
medical
calls
go
up
and
our
role
is
to
be
a
force
multiplier
for
EMS.
We
we
are
larger
than
them
about
triple
their
size.
We
can
arrive
at
the
scene.
Stabilize
the
patient.
Ems
comes
offers,
Advanced
life
support
and
transports
the
patient.
D
L
D
J
G
To
that
end,
with
with
when
you
have
the
specialty
vehicles
that
that
maybe
are
older,
where
we
really
run
into
a
challenge
with
maintenance,
is
locating
Parts.
Okay
recent
well
in
last
year,
we
had
a
decontamination
unit,
a
mass
decontamination
unit
that
ended
up
out
of
service
for
a
substantial
period
of
time,
because
we
had
to
Source
a
window
regulator
from
a
junkyard
to
to
make
sure
that
that
we
could
get
the
window
to
return
to
return
up
and
pass
state
inspection.
J
I,
don't
think
I
have
anything
else,
I
guess
I
am
a
little
too
I
mean
I
mean
this
is
more
just
a
definition,
so
sort
of
what
it
means
for
a
vehicle
to
be
Beyond.
Its
life
makes
I
know
for
the
I
mean
you
know.
Some
folks
will
lease
a
new
car
every
few
years
right
and
some
folks
will
drive
a
car
into
the
ground
until
it's
just
rusted
out
completely.
G
That's
not
that's
not
really
a!
We
don't
have
another
choice
because
we
don't
have
the
vehicles
to
replace
it
to
keep
that
vehicle
in
service.
We
we
have
to
invest
in
a
replacement
engine
where,
in
large
replacement
components
that
keep
those
Vehicles
able
to
deliver
service
and
with
our
Reserve
Fleet
being
as
aged
as
it
is,
and
it
is
in
equally
poor
condition
there.
There
isn't.
There
is
an
effective
time.
We
really
would
be.
G
The
greatest
scenario
would
be
again:
that's
seven
to
three
seven
years
front
line
three
years
of
reserve
and
be
able
to
sell
it
when
we're
able
to
recoup
some
of
the
money
and
reinvest
it
into
the
fleet
where
this
gets.
Compounding
is
the
amount
of
money
that
the
city's
spending
monthly
on
repairs
for
the
very
old
Fleet
Mr
Walton
suggested
that
the
number
is
close
to
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
month
for
vehicles
that
really
shouldn't
be
on
the
road
any
longer,
and
you
multiply
that
out.
J
J
G
A
You
councilwoman
Warwick
and
let
it
be
known,
Chief
Gilchrist,
newly
minted
Chief
Gilcrest
has
joined
us.
Thank
you
very
much
and
we
have
all.
Originally.
We
were
going
to
start
with
the
fire
department
and
then
go
to
the
police
department,
but
we
have
Phil.
You
know
if
you
could
come
up
and
join
us
as
well
to
help
represent
the
police
department
with
director
Schmidt.
That
would
be
great
I
just
want
to
say
personally
in
evaluating.
You
know
the
fleet
I
felt
we
are,
we
need.
A
We
need
Vehicles
across
the
board
and
expensive
vehicles
that
are
very
much
but
I
felt
the
fire
department
was
in
the
most
need
at
this
time.
In
this
juncture,
first
of
all,
you're
responding
to
70
as
Chief
Jones
says
to
our
you
know,
9-1-1
calls
you
know
so
and
and
I
know
and
I've
seen
the
fleet
and
I've
seen
the
used
truck
Mr
Rick
Earl
over.
There
showed
me
to
use
truck
and
it's
you
know
some
25
years
old
and
it's
just
not
acceptable.
A
B
A
Not
the
order
I
planned,
but
okay,
so
director,
hornstein
I,
will
say,
leasing
the
vehicles
as
we
did.
Last
year
the
administration
came
up
with
the
idea.
I
felt
that
was
successful.
It
was
nice
to
have
good
running
new
vehicles
that
we
can
count
on,
but
just
explain
to
us.
The
state
of
you
know
your
operation
in
public
works
as
to
what
your
needs
are.
K
Okay,
so
take
a
step
back
to
to
follow
up
for
Public
Works,
the
average
you
know
accepted
age
of
of
a
vehicle.
Useful
life
is
10
years
after
that
much
like
Chief
kakil
explained
the
money
that
you
put
into
the
vehicle
tends
to
outweigh
its
value
and
so
over
an
entirety
of
a
fleet.
If
your
youthful
life
is
10
years,
you
should
see
an
average
age
of
five
to
six
years.
K
If
you
average
out
the
age
of
your
Fleet,
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
some
facts
and
figures
and
I'm
going
to
include
the
department
of
mobility
and
infrastructure.
So
you
can
kind
of
understand
how
our
Fleet
is
aged.
Department
of
Mobility
infrastructure
is
28
Vehicles,
the
average
age
is
11.7
years.
The
bureau
facility
says
30
Vehicles,
the
average
age
is
10.1
years.
The
heavy
equipment
division
has
12
Vehicles,
the
average
age
is
9.3
years.
The
Construction
Division
has
19
Vehicles.
The
average
age
is
nine
years.
K
The
Bureau
of
environmental
services
so
refuse
has
86
Vehicles.
The
average
age
is
13.9
years,
the
Bureau
of
streets.
This
is
our
plows.
The
Tigers
has
132
Vehicles.
The
average
age
is
9.8
years
and
the
Park's
maintenance
division,
which
has
68
Vehicles
the
average
age,
is
6.9
years.
Now
you
may
ask
yourself:
why
is
Park
so
much
lower
than
the
others?
That
is
because,
when
we
receive
the
parks,
tax,
trust
funding,
one
of
the
first
decisions
that
we
made
was
to
make
a
steady,
consistent
investment
in
the
age
of
that
Fleet.
F
K
What
I
will
say
is
I
think
the
opportunity
to
lease
for
Public
Works
is
greater
than
within
Public
Safety,
because
we
do
have
periods
of
time
throughout
the
year
when
vehicles
are
not
necessarily
as
active
and
don't
need
to
be
as
active.
So
we
think
that
there
is
space
and
opportunity
there
for
us
to
explore.
K
You
know,
leasing,
opportunity,
opportunities,
I
still
believe
and
I
will
always
believe,
as
Chief
kakila
mentioned,
that
the
best
course
of
action
to
fix
our
aged
Fleet
is
the
steady,
very
consistent
annual
funding
to
replace
that
which
you
need
to
own.
We
have
demonstrated
proof
of
that
here
as
well.
One
other
factor
that
impacts
us
and
just
in
terms
of
availability
of
vehicles
for
public
works
and
I'm,
going
to
focus
strictly
on
the
Bureau
of
streets.
K
I
just
ran
a
fleet
analysis
this
morning,
10
a
14
vehicle
14
of
the
132
Vehicles,
so
roughly
over
10
percent
of
the
streets
division
is
in
long-term
parking
right
now
at
first
vehicle
awaiting
maintenance.
That's
what
age
means
that
means
that
10
of
our
Fleet
are
literally
not
available
for
use.
So
it
has
a
pretty
tremendous
impact.
When
that
happens.
For
us,
we
have
to
jockle
V.
We
have
the
jockey
vehicles
and
equipment
around
we're
moving
vehicles
from
one
location
to
another
to
support
operations
where
we
deem
it
fit.
K
A
Thank
you
for
that
gloomy
forecast,
but
as
we
can
see,
it's
across
the
board
in
the
city
of
Pittsburgh
and
we'll
go
to
the
administration
as
to
what
ideas
and
how
we
feel
we
could
remedy
this
problem
in
a
little
bit.
Chief
Gilchrist
I
know
you're
new
I.
Don't
expect
you
to
dove
into
the
fleet
at
this
point
so
much.
But
if
you
want
to
offer
anything
as
to
you
know
the
fleet
of
EMS
I
know
Mr,
romano
and
I
had
many.
A
M
Absolutely
I
mean
I,
I
can't
speak
to
whose
need
is
worse,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
you
may
not
have
a
fire
at
your
house.
You
may
not
have
to
have
police
there,
but
most
of
the
time
you
will
need
EMS
fire
responds
to.
They
said.
75
percent
of
the
recall
volume
is
for
EMS.
Ems
responds
to
approximately
60
000
calls
a
year.
So
it's
helpful.
M
The
one
thing
that
my
previous
Chief
taught
it
was
the
fact
that
our
Fleet
is
aging.
We
have
probably
75
percent
of
our
Frontline
vehicles
are
over
a
hundred
thousand
miles.
We've
had
calls
we've
had
trucks
break
down
in
route
to
calls
with
patients
in
the
truck
and
route
to
the
hospital.
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
unacceptable
for
city
as
great
as
ours.
M
Ems
is
also
I.
I
think
that
our
garage
has
done
a
very
good
job,
trying
to
keep
the
trucks
on
the
road,
but
year
after
year
you
know
we've
been
cut
because
for
some
reason
we're
not
looked
at
as
just
as
important
but
like
I
say
you
may
not
always
have
a
fire
may
not
always
need
the
police,
but
EMS
is
a
24-hour
a
day
thing.
So
that's
all
I
can
say
about
that.
I
mean
we
need
vehicles,
I
won't
say
we're
in
Dire
Straits.
We
are
behind
the
eight
ball.
M
A
Thank
you,
Chief,
Hillcrest
and
I.
You
know,
for
my
opinion,
you're
as
important
as
a
fire
in
the
police.
You
know
or
EMS
if
I
had
to,
because
it's
not
life-saving
measures,
Public
Works,
maybe
but
as
we
can
see,
you
know
across
the
board,
I
think
it's
important
to
note
for
the
public
here
that
these
vehicles
are
continually
running
24
hours
a
day,
especially
in
the
police
department.
Right
shift
is
done,
two
more
people
jump
in
and
they
that
vehicle
continues
to
ride.
A
So
what
is
an
11
year
old
vehicle
that
we
typically
would
have
you
know
a
hundred
thousand
miles
on
some
of
these
vehicles
have
160
170
000
miles
on
and
that's
why
we're
always
forced
to
bandage
them
together,
Phil
from
our
Pittsburgh
Police
Department.
If
you
want
to
remark
on
the
fleet
at
all,
I
personally
made
a
trip
down
to
to
the
garage,
and
you
know:
Sergeant
was
Sergeant.
Sergeant
McDaniel
and
his
crew
were
down
there
and
they
do
a
great
job.
A
L
O
O
You
know
they
are
literally
Around
the
Clock
7
24
that
the
car
is
on
and
being
utilized
and
things
that
are
out
of
our
control
with
that's
costing
us
as
far
as
Vehicles
go
as
accidents,
whether
it
be
maybe
the
fault
of
our
operator,
the
officer
or
somebody
hitting
a
police
vehicle
takes
it
out
of
service,
so
we're
losing
cars
each
weekend
when
I
get
the
text,
it's
like.
Oh,
we
lost
another
one,
we
lost
another
one
and
that
continues
on
since
2020.
O
We
have
not
received
any
any
cars
new
cars
and
that
covet
was
one
factor
and
then
in
21
the
Ford
manufacturers
just
weren't
building
cars
for
us,
so
we're
suffering
in
that
way
we're
hanging
on
and
we're
starting
to
trickle
cards
in
right
now,
but
not
nearly
fast
enough
to
maintain
and
service
the
city.
Like
we're
supposed
to
talk
about
the
service
of
a
car.
We
don't
go
by
years.
We
go
by
mileage
for
a
unit
police
patrol
unit
and
usually
we
like
to
say
a
hundred
thousand
miles.
O
We
start
rotating
that
car
to
be
utilized
in
a
different
fashion.
It
might
from
a
patrol
unit.
It
might
go
to
a
what
we
call
an
x-car,
a
specialty
car.
You
know
something
that
can
do
a
detail
or
some
other
event
going
on
right
now
we're
and
that's
because
the
car
had
so
many
miles,
but
right
now
we're
in
a
situation
where
our
cars
that
are
on
the
road,
our
Patrol
units
now
have
up
to
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
miles
on
it.
O
A
And
I,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
I
saw
that
firsthand
myself
so
I
do
understand
that
and
we
were
able
to
acquire
some
police,
cruisers
and
I
know
we're
working
on
some
more
so
so
we
hope
to
straighten
that
out.
Councilman
Wilson,
you
know
I
know
you
have
a
time
constraint.
Please!
The
four
is
yours.
Any
questions
you
have
for
these.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,.
N
N
N
C
C
K
C
For
used
Municipal
vehicles,
there
are
leasing
companies
out
there
that
are
making
a
fortune
off
of
it.
You
know
we
we
get
really
good
pricing
from
a
lot
of
the
vendors
and
when
it's
time
for
us
to
sell
them
if
they're
lightly
enough
used
people
know
that
we're
maintaining
our
vehicles
every
5
000
miles,
we're
repairing
them
when
they
break
down
we're,
not
neglecting
the
vehicle,
so
they're
they're
a
Hot
Topic
item
for
a
contractor
that
needs
a
pickup
truck
a
volunteer
fire
department
that
needs
a
new.
C
C
N
C
N
All
right
good
to
know,
and
then
who
is
in
charge
of
the
rise
in
the
plan,
to
make
sure
that
we're
I
never
realize
there's
a
new.
You
know
new
concerns
of
Cova
and
Supply
delays,
and
you
know
just
the
back
order
of
everything,
but
the
quick,
my
understanding
is
equipment,
leasing,
Authority
would
come
together
and
you
know
they
would
devise
this
plan
in
terms
of.
What's
you
know,
what's
the
best
strategy
to
go
forward,
so
we
every
time
we
come
to
the
council
table.
N
C
So
currently,
the
process
OMB
specifically
Fleet
and
procurement,
meet
with
the
Departments,
the
directors
and
their
bureaus
and
discuss
Fleet
needs,
and
then
we
put
those
requests
into
the
capital
budget.
Those
are
scored
against
all
the
other
capital
projects
and
then
we
are
presented
with
what
was
approved
and
that's
what
comes
to
council
for
the
budget
meetings.
N
That's
fine
with
the
real.
What
the
real
number
is
that
and
you're
based
on
like
is
there
also
some
sort
of
schematic
that
you're
basing
on
or
some
sort
of
calculation
like
with
24
million
dollars,
we're
requesting
because
we're
following
the
we
only
own
until
it's
a
hundred
thousand?
Are
we
you
know
as
soon
as
that
vehicle
hit
100
000,
then
that
you
know
there's
another
number
that
there's
a
you
know
check
mark
Or.
You
know
the.
C
N
C
N
C
Strategy
we're
trying
to
get
the
fleet
to
a
good
life
cycle
so
and
each
fleet's
different.
So
you
can
say
10
years,
but
it's
different
for
each
piece
of
the
fleet.
There's
different
Specialties,
like
Chief,
said:
police
cars
run
24
7.,
so
they
go
more
by
mileage,
which
would
take
them
out
at
three
to
four
years.
Ems
and
fire
are
not
10
years
either.
You.
N
C
N
All
right
get
my
bearings
here
so
then,
so
then,
when
we're
faced
with,
obviously
24
million
dollars
a
lot
of
money.
If
that's
what
you
know
typical
order
is
so
then
there's
some
hard
decisions
to
be
made
so
now
there's
another
factor
which
is
the
delay.
So
what's
the
calculation
now
like?
Is
it
just?
Does
the
does
the
way
we
quantify
change
or
who
who's
in
charge
of
that
like
that?
Has
it
already
has
the
Authority
you
already
met
and
figured
out
how
they're
gonna
re
you
know
reorganize
how
they
calculate
it.
C
C
F
F
N
B
Would
have
been
short
in
writing
with
unsafe
rigs,
so
those
particular
rigs
were
were
by
the
last
Administration
I
was
told:
hey,
we
got
you
three
new
rigs.
No
one
consulted
me
as
the
subject
matter
expert
as
to
what
our
needs
were.
So
it
was
a
situation
of
someone
saying:
hey
chief,
we
got
you
this
nice
shiny,
ink
pen,
it's
brand
new,
look
at
it.
It's
pretty
and
my
response
was
wow.
That
is
pretty
I.
Don't
need
an
ink
pen.
I
need
a
hammer,
so
those
things
were
not
viable
for
us.
N
H
H
F
N
I
believe
they're
trying
to
do
the
right
thing,
I'm
just
trying
to
think
through
I
mean
that's
what
responsibility
of
the
ELA
is
but
to
think
through.
So
I
just
asked
Ela
to
Think
Through.
You
know
how
to
really
make
the
I
don't
know.
It
seems
like
the
most
challenging
thing
to
actually
make
the
correct
request:
request.
G
N
N
G
G
Okay,
so
the
way
that
we
have
the
plan
laid
out,
it
extends
over
an
eight
year
cycle
and
and
it's
front
it's
front
heavy-
to
to
make
up
for
some
of
the
the
Gap
years.
Now.
Does
that
tail
off
and
stabilize
it
does,
but
then
we
have
to
start
getting
back
into
the
replacement
cycle
of
the
larger
chunk
purchases.
There's
a
there's,
a
pattern
that
that
really
is
easy,
easy
to
track.
That
shows
a
crisis
point.
G
G
Association
has
a
very
vetted
and
comprehensive
Matrix
to
determine
what
is
the
effective
life
cycle
of
a
vehicle
and
it
can
incorporate
in
light
use
or
or
that
ready
Reserve
vehicle
along
with
Frontline,
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
a
guidance
document
as
to
what
those
replacement
Cycles
are.
These
are
numbers
that
we're
we're
pulling
up,
and
you
know
the
chief
mentioned
mileage
mileage
is
important.
Mileage
is
important.
G
Age
is
important
in
fire,
but
so
are
engine
hours
and
when
we're
when
we're
starting
we're
tracking
engine
hours
and
pump
hours
there,
our
vehicles
aren't
just
the
response
to
in
the
response
back,
it's
the
operating
on
a
scene
for
multiple
hours,
all
those
Mech.
These
components
are
engaged
in
being
worn
and
that
that
adds
significantly
to
the
life
cycle
or
the
the.
G
Depends
on
the
duty
station
yeah
to
your
point
about
leasing
the
the
again.
The
leasing
can
distribute
that
that
Financial
hit
across
a
a
larger
scale
and
it-
and
it
really
makes
a
lot
of
sense-
won't
wait
to
make
that
payment
plan
with
through
the
leasing
Authority
that
that
has
a
good
opportunity
for
us
to
stabilize
the
condition
that
we're
in
and
then
project
where
we're
going
to
be
moving
forward
and
I.
Think
that
at
least
from
Fire's
perspective
I
can
only
speak
to
that.
We
have
a
pretty
solid
plan
to
propose.
K
Are
those
are
coming
this
year,
unfortunately,
like
the
funds
that
I
use
to
lease
vehicles
are
also
the
same
funds
that
I
use
to
purchase,
mowers
and
equipment,
and
so
part
of
my
charge
is
to
make
the
best
value
judgment,
which
we
are
very
close
to
right
now.
But
you
know
some
of
that
equipment
will
be
coming.
N
K
M
M
F
N
G
Your
opportunity
there
there
might
be
another
consideration
and
and
I
think
it's
important
to
to
point
out
that
the
especially
in
the
heavy
truck
maintenance
facility,
our
fire
truck
Fleet
mechanics,
are,
are
really
doing.
Miracle
work
to
keep
these
vehicles
alive,
they're
they're,
just
they
deserve
a
ton
of
credit,
but
they
they
often
have
to
stop
on
a
routine
maintenance
or
or
PA
state
inspection
to
fix
multiple
vehicles
with.
F
G
Fixes
or
quick
patches
to
keep
them
on
the
road
and
is
that
first
vehicle
that
his
first
vehicle
is
the
current
current
supplier.
But
an
effective
Reserve
Fleet
is
what's
really
going
to
make
a
huge
impact
for
us
on.
A
majority
of
our
Fleet
is
only
getting
in
for
an
oil
change
once
a
year
and
that's
when
it's
required
to
come
in
off
the
road
for
a
mandated
state
inspection.
B
G
Vehicle
is
getting
cared
for
because
we
don't
have
the
reserved
vehicles
and
the
reserve
mechanics
to
to
cycle
them
effectively
through
if
we
had
a
sufficient
Reserve
Fleet.
That
was
in
an
acceptable
condition.
We
could
transition
a
crew
out
of
their
front
line,
rig,
send
it
into
the
garage
with
enough
mechanics
and
enough
supply
chain
to
to
keep
that
vehicle
on
the
road
and
properly
maintain
extending
that
life
cycle,
as
Chief
Gilchrist
mentioned
by
by
maintaining
it
in
the
in
their
correct
time
frame.
N
B
F
B
B
I
I
But
it's
to
the
point
where
we
get
a
you
know:
I've
picked
up
a
spare
engine
or
truck
to
use
and
put
in
place
in
front
line,
because
the
front
line
vehicle
is
down
and
it
comes
with
notes
taped
to
the
dashboard
that
the
fuel
gauge
doesn't
work,
don't
go
by
the
fuel
gauge,
it
can't
be
fixed.
This
light,
that's
on
cannot
be
fixed,
ignore
it
that
there's
caution,
tape
on
on
hose
line,
valves
that
can't
be
used
anymore
and
can't
be
fixed.
N
A
We
need
to
you
know,
make
sure
that
when
our
newer
vehicles
are
getting
old,
that
we
have
a
new,
you
know
crop
coming
in
it's
something
we
haven't
done
in
the
past.
It's
catching
up
and
it's
biting
us
now,
as
we
all
see
and
to
councilman
Wilson's
question.
You
know
it's
pretty
evident
and
I've
talked
to
Chief
Co
Brian
here,
and
you
know
we
got
a
real
number
as
to
what
it
would
take
to
get
the
fire
department
just
up
to
par.
A
This
is
not
high
pie
in
the
sky
new
engines
across
the
board,
but
we
figured
I
believe
around
12
million
dollars
is
to
where
we
need
to
be
just
in
order
to
have
that
staggered
policy,
and
that
doesn't
mean
next
year.
We
can't
ignore
it.
That
means
moving
forward.
So
my
guess
is
somewhere
around
20
million
dollars
and
you
know
we'll
go
to
the
administration
and-
and
you
know
Chief
Schmidt
here
and
her
director
Smith
here
in
a
bit
but
I
just
want
the
administration
to
know.
I
know
the
importance
of
this.
A
We
see
it
right
here
in
front
of
us.
This
is
why
we
wanted
to
have
this
post
agenda.
I
know
you
know
it
as
well:
Brandon
and
I.
You
know
on
equipment,
leasing,
Authority
board
and
so
is
Chief
Frank,
so
is
councilman
Lavelle.
So
so
we
all
know
that
the
issues
and
the
problems
that
we're
facing
moving
forward
last
year
we
came
and
asked
for
24
million
dollars.
This
Council
approved
six,
so
it's
not
I'm
hoping
that
we're
bringing
it
to
the
attention
of
other
council
members.
A
So
when
that
tough
decision
comes
and
I'll
let
the
administration
kind
of
Juggle
where
and
how
we
can
you
know,
get
funds
in
order
to
bring
these
fleets
up
to
par.
But
you'll
have
my
commitment,
I,
don't
care
where
we
take
it
from
if
it's
arpa
money
it
can
be
used
for
this
Fleet.
We
use
arpa
money
if
we
have
to
take
them
from
somewhere.
We
already
allocated
it,
that's
what
we
have
to
do.
A
We
cannot
let
this
Fleet
go
to
hell
like
it
has
been,
and
you
know,
and
I
don't
mean
to
suggest
the
fire
department
is
the
most
important
when
I
suggest
that
you're
all
in
a
life-saving
business
here.
But
all
these
vehicles
are
very
important
to
get
the
point
A
to
point
B,
but
I
will
say
the
time
frame
on
the
fire.
A
new
fire
engine
or
a
new
pumper
truck
I
believe
is
longer
staggered
than
a
new
police.
Cruiser
is,
am
I
correct
in
that
Brandon
the
wait
time
the
wait
time.
The.
A
A
A
No
whatever
type
of
vehicle
we've
we
purchased
for
the
fire
department,
and
that
goes
for
you,
Chief
Gilchrist
and
you
Phil
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
the
people
who
operate
in
that
department
have
full
disclosure
as
to
what
is
in
that
vehicle
and
it's
up
to
your
standards
that
you're
used
to
working
with,
and
when
we
talk
about
patching
up
police
cars.
You
know
we
also
have
to
rig
them
right.
We
also
have
to
outfit
them
for
our
equipment,
whether
it
be
the
the
cameras
and
things
of
that
nature.
A
So
it's
not
just
changing
the
oil
or
dropping
a
new
transmission
in
there's
much
more
involved,
and
you
know
we're
barely
hanging
on
as
it
is
so
I
think
this
council
is
going
to
have
to
make
some
hard
decision.
I'll
take
the
lead
of
the
administration
as
to
where
these
funds
can
and
should
and
will
come
from.
You'll
have
my
commitment
that
I
will
be
voting
in
favor
for
vehicles
across
the
board.
A
It's
going
to
be
expensive,
very
expensive,
but
we
can't
ignore
it
as
we're
to
the
point
where
we
absolutely
have
to
do
it
so
so
with
that.
I
would
like
to
turn
it
over
to
either
one
of
you
three
that
want
to
go
first
and
comment
on
the
seriousness
of
the
nature,
and
maybe
hopefully,
some
ideas
as
to
how
we're
going
to
you
know
upright
our
Fleet.
D
I,
don't
have
too
much
to
add
other
than
just
to
kind
of
reiterate
what
everybody
said:
Public
Safety
vehicles
and
Public
Works
Vehicles
all
work
in
conjunction
together
to
keep
the
city
safe.
If
director
hornstein's
team
can't
plow
the
streets,
we
can't
get
an
ambulance
or
a
fire
truck
or
a
police
car
to
where
it
needs
to
be
so
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
maintaining
our
vehicles
and
we
have
a
plan
that
is
consistent
and
spread
across
the
board.
D
B
D
D
You
know
if
my
Jeep
broke
down
on
the
way
somewhere,
I'd
call
a
tow
truck
and
deal
with
it,
but
you
don't
want
an
ambulance
or
a
police
car,
a
fire
truck
or
even
a
plow
truck
breaking
down
in
the
middle
of
an
emergency
situation
or
when
there's
a
ton
of
snow.
So
that's
why
we
do
carefully
look
at
where
we
put
those
Vehicles
they'll,
move
them
to
the
training
academy.
They'll
put
them
in
a
in
a
lower
use,
so
there's
less
chance
of
that
occurring.
D
It's
all
a
matter
of
smart
management
of
the
fleet
and
currently
we're
because
of
the
lack
of
funding,
we're
not
doing
that.
We
are
duct
taping
and
bubble
guming
things
together
and,
as
they
said,
sometimes
taking
things
out
of
service
which
doesn't
mean
we
don't
do
it.
It
just
means
we're
not
providing
the
level
of
service
that
we
normally
should
be
providing
that's
all
right.
E
I
also,
don't
think
I
have
a
ton
to
add,
except
to
say
that
you
know
you've
heard
Chief
kakila
you
heard
director
hornstein
Brandon
I
mean
people
here
know
how
to
do
asset
management
and
I
think
we
would
like
to
get
to
a
place.
Leaving
aside
the
the
you
know,
supply
chain
issues,
because
the
best
laid
plans
are
gonna
get
messed
up
by
that,
but
putting
that
aside,
I
think
we'd
like
to
get
to
a
place
where
we
could
think
about
our
vehicle
investment.
E
As
as
one
thing
you
know
all
the
vehicles
that
we
need
work
together.
As
director
Schmidt
said,
you
know
we
can
figure
out
where
the
repair
costs
get
to
that
kind
of
optimum
for
those,
and
then
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
you
pay
your
mortgage
like
this
is
what
it's
going
to
cost
to
keep
us
in
that
Asset
Management
plan
and
I.
A
Well
said,
Chief
Frank,
and
you
know
it's
really
been
a
pleasure
working
with
you
guys
on
the
equipment,
leasing,
Authority
board.
We
recognize
it.
I
tell
people
the
administration
recognizes
it.
I
I,
wouldn't
say:
Council
recognizes
it.
I'm
hoping
this
is
a
start.
That
Council
says
it's
an
eye-opener
for
us,
because
you
know
put
money
into
the
vehicles
new
or
used
vehicles.
It's
it's,
it's
not
an
investment
by
any
means
we
don't
get
any
gain,
but
it's
a
necessary
evil.
We
need
them
across
the
board
and
you
know
Brandon
I
know
you
requested.
A
24
million
dollars
is
to
right-size
our
Fleet.
That
was
pretty
much
across
the
board
for
all
four
departments
that
we
have
at
the
table
here
today
and
that
was
and
I
just
want
you
to
comment
on
that.
Is
that
a
raw
number
that
would
bring
us
to
the
point
where
we
are
on
that
staggered
as
Chief
Frank,
you
know
has
mentioned
where
we
could
be.
You
know
treating
it
like
a
mortgage
every
year.
We
it
doesn't
mean
we
could
ignore.
C
C
A
E
All
know
the
pots
of
money
I
mean
we're
going
to
have
some
difficult
choices.
We
we're
gonna,
have
some
difficult
choices
because
they're,
you
know
I
actually
think
council
member
Warwick
said
it.
We
have
a
lot
of
things
that
people
want
to
do
in
this
city.
A
lot
of
it
feels
urgent
everybody's
kind
of
working
themselves
out
at
act.
47
and-
and
you
know,
we're
gonna-
have
to
have
some
real
conversations
about
it.
So
it's
helpful
for
people
to
know
what
the
situation
is.
So
we
can
have
those
conversations
yep.
A
And
before
I,
close
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
being
here
at
the
table
today,
I
needed
to
hear
it
I
wanted
the
public
to
hear
the
dire
situation
that
we're
in
with
our
vehicles
across
the
board.
Again,
you
will
have
my
commitment.
We've
allocated
a
lot
of
money
to
a
lot
of
things.
Most
of
this
money
has
to
be
spent
by
2026.
A
I'm
willing
to
reevaluate
what
the
pots
of
money
went
to
and
getting
at
least
getting
at
least
half
of
that
24
million
dollars
get
that
up
to
at
least
12
million
dollars
where
we
can
go
out
and
make
the
necessary
purchases
and
every
day
it
goes
by
with
this
fire
department,
I
feel
like
oh
gosh.
It's
going
to
take
we're
not
going
to
see
new
vehicles
for
three
or
four
years
at
this
rate.
So
so
we
really
need
to
do
this
sooner
than
later.
I
feel
you
know
again.
A
We
as
Council
will
work
with
the
administration,
hopefully
identifying
pots
and
not
everybody's,
going
to
be
happy.
We
all
have
our
things
that
we're
passionate
about
that.
You
know
whether
it
be
arpa
money
or
you
know,
or
you
know,
operating
budget,
or
you
know
we.
We
all
have
projects
and
things
that
we
like
to
see
fun
and
they're
all
very
good
causes,
but
for
me,
there's
nothing
more
important
than
Uprising
up
upgrading
this
Fleet
as
to
where
it
needs
to
be
so
with
that
I
just
want
to
ask
anybody.
Have
any
closing
comments.
J
Yeah
I
just
I
mean
just
looking
at
this
24
million
dollar
number
you
know,
and-
and
this
is
not
but
just
recently
I
heard
on
a
podcast
I
heard
our
former
mayor
talk
about
a
commitment
of
some
100
million
dollars
from
these
various
non-profits.
You
know
I'd
love
to
know
where
that
money
is
I'd,
love
to
know
why
we
don't
have
you
know
why
that
commitment
isn't
still
there,
because
that
to
me
you
know
they're
right
there
right.
This
is
Public
Safety.
J
This
is
the
health
and
well-being
of
of
our
city.
So
I
would
certainly
implore
our
various
non-profits,
especially
the
large
ones,
to
have
a
listen
to
this
postage
right
have
a
listen
to
to
hear
about
what
our
our
Public
Safety
folks,
our
Public
Works
folks
are
asking
for,
because
it's
it
it
seems
pretty
simple.
J
J
There
is,
but
just
just
in
this
one
conversation,
the
one
thing
and
I
I
think
it's
maybe
worth
a
an
additional
conversation,
or
at
least
is,
is
really
around
the
fire
trucks.
I
mean
what
you
were
saying
about
like
there's
so
much
on
a
fire
truck,
there's
just
so
much
it's
like
they
say.
You
know
the
more
Electronics
like
the
more
that,
though,
there's
more
things
to
break
right.
J
So
really,
if
there's
any
strategy
that
we
can
look
at
to
minimize,
taking
those
big
trucks
out
for
things
that
don't
require
all
that
stuff
and
really
preserving
I,
think
that
is
that,
would
that
would
be
a
good
conversation
to
have
and
I
do
want
to
point
out.
Just
in
term
I
mean
like
70
percent
of
fire
calls
being
EMS
calls
and
and
something
that
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people,
don't
necessarily
appreciate
in
Pittsburgh
the
fact
that
we
have
this
EMS
Department.
J
The
fact
that
you
don't
pay
I
mean
in
Pittsburgh,
if
you
don't
have
insurance
and
I
have
paid
out
in
rural
Michigan
like
three
thousand
dollars
to
get
my
kid
to
a
hospital
right.
So
that
is
actually
a
situation
in
many
many
places
that
you
know
you
don't
have
this
public
EMS
service
that
that
so
at
any
rate,
if
there
is
a
way
that
we
can
look
at
so
you
know,
and
as
it
relates
to
the
fleet
and
other
things,
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
good
conversation
to
have.
A
Anybody
else:
well,
let
me
just
end
with
this.
You
know
our
fire
department,
our
Police
Department,
our
Public
Works
and
our
EMS
I
feel
are
the
finest
in
the
nation
I
really
do.
They
deserve
to
have
adequate
vehicles
again
I'm
willing
to
go
to
whatever
extreme
I
have
to
do
to
approve
money
in
order
to
get
your
vehicles
that
you
need,
at
least
for
now
that
you
can
operate
so
so
with
that.
If
anybody
else
has
nothing
to
add,
we
will
adjourn.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here.