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A
And
we
welcome
you
again
to
black
pittsburgh
matters.
Black
pittsburgh
matters
is
a
series
of
virtual
town
hall
meetings,
affirming
a
city-wide
agenda
that
black
pittsburgh
does
indeed
matter.
Black
pittsburgh
matters
means
that
black
lives
matter.
We
must
protect
the
health
and
safety
of
black
people.
It
means
the
black
communities
matter.
We
must
focus
on
rebuilding
black
communities
and
it
means
that
black
wealth
matters.
We
must
focus
on
increasing
black
employment
and
entrepreneurial.
B
The
black
community
has
been
disproportionately
affected
by
concurrent
crisis,
the
code
19
pandemic
and
the
economic
crisis
and
race
relations,
which
are
both
public
health
crises
normally
in
times
of
crisis
and
great
change,
we'll
be
coming
to
you
as
the
block
elected
officials
of
pittsburgh
and
have
meetings
across
the
city
with
our
constituents
partners
and
since
we
cannot
do
so
safely
in
the
current
pandemic.
We're
now
using
this
media
and
platform
to
come
to
you
in
the
ways
in
which
we
can
to
talk
about
what
we're
doing,
discuss
policy
and
legislation
concerning
black
pittsburgh.
B
These
meetings
will
be
available
via
facebook
youtube
and
the
series
cable
channel.
You
can
contact
or
ask
questions
via
the
black
pittsburgh,
marriage,
facebook,
page
or
email
us
at
black
pgh
matters.
That's
black
pgh
matters
at
gmail.com
and
of
course
you
can
comment
or
ask
questions
through
our
live
feed
right
now.
Today's
town
hall
meeting
is
protecting
black
women.
A
A
In
honor
of
women's
history
month,
we
previously
held
a
town
hall
discussing
the
ways
the
city
is
uplifting
black
women
and
providing
opportunities
and
avenues
of
social
mobility.
In
the
wake
of
the
gender
equity
report,
as
a
follow-up
to
our
earlier
town
hall,
today,
we
will
highlight
the
safety
and
well-being
of
black
women.
B
As
you
know,
daniel
this
topic
is
one
I'm
deeply
passionate
about
before
being
on
council,
I
founded
and
was
the
exec
director
of
five
c's,
a
social
service
agency
providing
educational
and
counseling
support
to
families,
with
the
emphasis
on
youth
and
young
adult
women.
I
also
worked
to
pass
legislation
requiring
police
to
adopt
the
maryland
lethality
assessment
model
here,
which
have
been
half
reduced
by
50
percent.
The
number
of
intimate
partner,
homicides
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh-
and
you
know
I
as
we
are
both
you
know:
fathers
of
daughters.
B
A
And,
admittedly,
for
me
rev,
this
is
an
issue
that
I'm
sort
of
coming
along
and
learning
more
and
more
about.
As
you
mentioned,
I
do
have
a
young
daughter,
she's,
nine
now,
so
it's
obviously
at
the
fourth
forethought
of
my
mind
of
how
she
grows
up
in
the
society
that
she's
growing
in
up
and
and
how
different
it
is
from.
A
Even
when
I
was
younger
and
how
much
more
sort
of
sexually
forward
our
environment
currently
is,
and
all
these
other
sort
of
issues,
but
in
general,
the
abuse
of
black
women
to
even
malcolm
x's
statement
right.
I
didn't
fully
realize
it
until
recent
years,
when,
following
sort
of
a
lot
of
your
work,
I
began
to
sort
of
read
the
reports
and
better
understand
what
was
actually
out
here,
and
so
I
really
look
forward
to
hearing
from
our
guests
today,
because
they're
both
going
to
educate
me
and
hopefully
educate
our
listeners.
B
Director
and
george
j
fleming
program,
supervised
advisor
for
allegheny
family
network
fathers
involved
new
program,
and
I
think
jay
is
with
us
jay
gilmer,
who
is
the
safer
together
coordinator
for
the
city
of
pittsburgh
good
evening.
Everyone
and
welcome
to
today's
town
hall
meeting.
C
A
Evening,
thank
you
all
for
joining
us.
My
first
question
is
to
anyone
to
be
quite
honest
to
answer
in
in
our
opening
I
mentioned
malcolm
x's,
quote
about
the
black
woman
being
the
least
protected
in
all
of
america.
I'm
curious,
if
any
of
you
still
feel
that's
the
case,
and
if
so,
why.
C
So
I
can
go
with
that.
I
do
feel
that
way
very
much
so
with
our
younger
generation,
especially
because
right
now,
the
youth,
our
younger
generation,
our
females,
they
don't
have
the
confidence
that
we
all
had
when
we
were
growing
up
in
our
era.
You
know
it
takes
a
village,
they
don't
have
that.
Necessarily.
C
We
have
teen
mothers
who
had
kids
when
they
were
younger
and
now
they're
growing
up
and
they're
right
around
the
same
age,
but
they
don't
have
that
support
and
that
guidance
that
we
had
when
we
were
growing
up
in
our
era.
So
I'm
going
to
say
yes
on
my
end,
because
I
see
a
lot
more
of
youth
that
just
are
suffering
because
they
didn't
have
they
don't
know
what
it
is
to
have
a
true
relationship.
They
don't
know
what
it
is
to
not
be
an
abusive
relationship.
E
I'm
going
to
respond
to
that
in
an
agreement
with
dr
ford
and
in
a
different
direction
as
well,
and
I
think
yes,
african-american
women
are
still,
as
malcolm
x
said,
in
the
lowest
group
to
to
be
protected
to
be
seen,
and
I
think
when
you
look
at
rates
with
housing,
education,
employment,
yes,
there's
a
lot
of
progress
than
there
was
in
60s
and
70s.
Even,
however,
it
is
still
the
group
who
is.
F
I
think
I'll
chime
in
thirdly
on
that,
regardless
to
what
station
you
are
in
life
in
the
board
room
in
charge
of
police
department,
someone
who's
a
teacher,
we
do
not
have
the
support.
We
do
not
have
the
protection
that
we
need
to
thrive
in
this
country.
We
have
always
been
given
less
respect,
not
only
from
white
america,
but
sometimes
from
our
own,
our
own
community.
So
it's
very
very
difficult,
and
I
still
believe
that
malcolm
x
statement
is
very
true.
Not
only
are
we
not
protected,
people
treat
us
as
though
we're
invisible.
D
And
I
would
just
like
to
add
to
that
a
different
slant
in
that
in
the
last
40
years,
we're
in
and
we
continue
to
be
in
a
fatherless
slide,
and
I
can
say
personally
because
my
sister
is
on
here.
We
were
blessed
to
come
up
in
a
two-family
household,
where
my
dad
set
clear
boundaries
around
not
hitting
my
sister
and
other
women.
D
Our
whole
society
has
changed
even
as
the
media
exposure
and
even
the
boundaries
we
as
black
men
to
each
other
hold
each
other
accountable
for
how
we
treat
our
black
women.
It's
another
concern
of
mines,
and
so
one
of
the
reasons
why
I'm
glad
to
be
on
here
is
to
speak
to
that,
and
also
believe
that
we
want
to
look
at
prevention
when
it
comes
to
this
and
not
always,
intervention
right.
G
And
things
like
school
suspensions
and
school
discipline
and
referrals
to
disciplinary
agencies,
black
girls
are
at
the
top
of
the
list,
even
though
there's
no
evidence
whatsoever
that
they
are
that
they
are
the
most
unruly
or
anything
else,
but
their
suspension
rates
are
just
off
off
the
charts,
and
so
that's
a
problem.
B
Well,
I
I
one
of
the
things
I
think
that
that
does
alarm
me
and-
and
perhaps
chief
you
could
help
us
talk
about
this-
is
that
we
talk
about
the
kidnapping
of
black
women
and
and
the
in
those
being
lost
and
where
there's
media
attention,
if
a
woman
who's,
not
black
around,
is
kidnapped
or
you
know,
there's
sex
trafficking.
B
Although
human
trafficking,
a
lot
of
that,
is
really
tailored
around
black
and
brown
women,
yet
there's
not
a
lot
of
media
attention.
You
know
if,
if
a
white
woman
goes
missing,
you'll
hear
you
know,
it'll
be
on
msnbc,
cnn
and
nbc,
but
there's
every
day
just
a
slew
of
black
women
across
the
country
who
go
missing
and
there's
really
very
little
attention
to
it.
F
That's
why
it's
so
important
to
have
people
of
color
at
the
table,
especially
in
the
investigative
realm
and
the
pittsburgh
bureau
police
whenever
there
is
a
young
person
that
is
missing
regardless
to
what
their
race
is
and
that's
what
I
pride
myself
on
here
being
in
the
investigations
bureau.
We
make
sure
that
the
proper
attention
is
given
to
that
individual,
regardless
to
their
race.
G
I
think
it's
true
that
that
some
of
the
things
that
you
have
said
about
what
you
hear
around
the
country
shows
that
pittsburgh
perhaps
is
a
little
ahead
of
the
game.
We're
ahead
of
that
curve.
We're
not.
We
are
not
allowing
some
of
those
same
disparities
to
exist
in
our
policing.
Thanks
to
people
like
you,
bickersdad.
A
One
one
question
I
have,
and
this
is
sort
of
a
a
general
question,
and
I
hope
I
phrase
it
right
because
it
was
really
ref
who
sort
of
made
me
think
about
this
differently
when
we
think
about
sort
of
violence
upon
women.
In
my
mind,
I
immediately
sort
of
thought
of
domestic
abuse
and
things
of
that
nature.
Everyone
mentioned
the
kidnapping,
but
he
also
sort
of
talked
to
me
the
other
day
about
well.
A
Sometimes
that
can
be
traumatic
when
you
look
at
it
and
it's
in
its
totality,
whether
it's
abuse
in
the
home,
whether
it's
sort
of
the
cat
calling
that
I
mentioned
whether
it's
me
pulling
up
alongside
a
woman
in
a
car-
and
you
know
aggressively
speaking
to
her,
can
you
sort
of
phrase
what
that
looks
like
because
it's
something
that
I'm
becoming
better
educated,
but
I'm
not
fully
educated
on.
F
Are
you
okay?
I
can
speak
to
that
to
some
degree.
I
think
it's
just
a
matter
of
disrespect
and
I
think
that
it's
not
just
young
people.
I
think
it's
probably
across
the
board
more,
but
when
you
think
about
the
rap
music
and
believe
me,
I'm
not
opposed
to
rap
music,
but
I'm
saying
that
some
rap
music
is
disrespectful
and
it
just
disrespects
young
women
and
when
young
people
hear
that
they
feel
that
it's
okay
pulling
pulling
up
a
side
of
a
young
woman
or
cat
calling
her.
F
F
It's
a
lot
of
people,
especially
men,
think
it's
just
a
cat
call
there's
nothing
wrong
with
it,
but
it
is
a
large
sense
of
disrespect
and
it
makes
a
woman,
especially
a
young
woman,
feel
insecure
about
being
out
in
public
or
walking
alone
and
a
lot
of
times.
Women
have
to
walk
along
to
the
bus,
stop
to
go
to
school
and
it
really
shatters
their
sense
of
security.
C
C
To
that
some
of
there
are
some
students
that
have
had
instances
on
the
school
bus
that
have
gone
too
far,
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
boys
being
extremely
fresh
with
them,
and
it
has
traumatized
them
going
forward
to
the
point
that
they
don't
even
want
a
relationship
with
anybody
and
they
get
extremely
nervous
if
anyone
comes
too
close
to
them.
So
you
know
that
boy
didn't
realize
that
that's
the
way
that
girl
felt
or
or
that's
what
was
coming
out
of
that,
but
it
traumatized
her
for
life
councilman.
E
Councilman
of
value
also
put
a
spin
on
that
question.
We're
talking
about
domestic
violence
and
a
lot
of
times
we
think
about
disrespect
and
that
and
young
men
being
disrespectful
or
toward
females
and
women.
You
know
a
lot
of
that
has
come,
as
you
mentioned
in
the
question
around
domestic
abuse
and
that
disrespect
being
taught
you
know
that
is
learned
behavior,
it's
what
they
have
seen
now.
Everybody
didn't
grow
up
in
an
abusive
home,
so
it
may
manifest
in
the
home
initially,
but
then
it
continues
it
continues
everywhere.
E
I
don't
want
to
single
out
and
say
it
continues
just
in
the
locker
room,
but
certainly
it
does
continue
in
locker
rooms
also,
but
it
just
it
gets.
The
permission
is
given
that
it's
okay
to
do
that
and
unfortunately-
and
I
will
leave
this
part
to
the
middle
on
the
screen-
that
I
think
the
flip
side
of
it
is
as
a
man
or
young
man.
If
you
don't
do
it,
you
look
that
is
weak
you're,
a
nerd
you're
with
you
know,
so
it's
the
whole
culture.
D
Well,
what
we're
talking
about
in
the
domestic
violence
work
we
do
is
objectifying
and
it's
really
seeing
women
as
objects
versus
human
and
culture
norms
shift
towards
that
and
the
acceptance
of
it.
One
of
the
things
that
has
really
jaded,
particularly
young
people's
thinking,
is
the
growing
media
exposure.
D
I
had
a
conversation
with
one
of
my
grandsons
last
night.
Somebody
mentioned
sexual
force,
thinking
he's
only
11
years
old
and
he
was
calling
me
from
his
church
group
and
he
wanted
to
know
when
I
thought
about
girls
liking
him,
and
we
were
talking
about
what
life
meant
to
him
and
in
particular,
what's
appropriate.
D
D
The
frankness
in
which
him
and
I
have
conversations
is
what's
missing.
On
the
average
for
a
lot
of
young
men,
we
work
with
and
go
back
to
this
again.
I
work
extensively
with
men
and
extensively
and
the
majority
men
I
work
with
including
the
ones
that
I
have
in
allegheny
county
jail
worked
with
for
covert.
D
Excuse
me,
the
majority
of
them
had
no
proper
therapeutic
intervention
before
like
shooting
in
the
juvenile
justice
system
and
or
are
poorly
educated,
come
from
the
culture
of
poverty,
and
very
few
of
them
had
father
figures.
When
asked
who
their
heroes
was,
they
mentioned
their
mothers
and
their
grandmother.
That's
out
of
a
whole
group
of
men,
count
15.,
and
so
I
think
a
lot
of
things
are
much
broader
than
just
the
cat
calling.
D
I
think
it's
a
cultured
norm
that
much
like
rhonda
said
not
only
permits
it
but
encourages
it,
and
so
peer
pressure
is
a
great
thing
for
a
lot
of
young
people,
because
peer
pressure
can
cause
somebody
to
take
a
pair
of
tennessee
just
because
it
has
a
nike
sign
on
it
to
be
tough
and
in
lieu
of
not
having
them
or
just
having
some
decent
tennis
shoes.
So
it's
really
a
loaded
question.
G
Oh
yeah
and
unfortunately
that
boundary.
We
then
that
this
then
escalates
into
relationship
abuse,
domestic
abuse,
all
sorts
of
things
down
the
line.
It
just
starts
out
at
this
relatively
innocent
stage,
but
unless
it's
checked
as
george
suggested
and
it
just
it
just
escalates-
and
we
end
up
with
much
much
bigger
problems
down
the
line.
What.
B
Was
heartbreaking
for
me
in
the
agency
was
that
a
lot
of
the
clients
came
from
very
poor,
neighborhoods
and
poor
families
which
in
we
don't
talk
about
it
so
much,
but
young
girls
who
are
grown
up
in
poverty
are
very,
very
vulnerable
right,
because
many
of
them
are
growing
up
in
single-parent
households
where
there
may
not
be
a
male
figure
and
the
mother
may
be
working
so
they're
left
at
home
alone.
You
know
to
take
care
of
the
siblings
and
the
other.
So
I
I
one
of
the
things
that
happened.
B
A
lot
to
some
of
the
girls
is,
they
became
overly
sexual
that
they
really
did
not
know
how
to
interact
with
men.
You
know,
even
you
know
they
were.
These
are
teenage
girls
when
I
interacted
with
them
as
a
director
whenever
they
they
got
into
a
powerful
with
in
a
in
a
room
with
powerful
male
figures.
The
only
thing
they
knew
was
to
act
super
sexual.
I
mean
it's
how
they
they
did
not
know
how
to
be
appropriate
right,
and
so
what
happens?
Is
they
start
acting
super
sexual
within
in
the
case
of
of
men?
B
Who
are
inappropriate
that
that
makes
them
treat
them
inappropriately?
It
becomes
almost
a
vicious
cycle
where
the
young
girl
is
almost
groomed
to
view
herself
as
an
object,
get
treated
like
an
object
and
then
that
that
in
many
ways
repeats
itself
over
and
over
and
over
again
at
least
that's
been.
My
experience
is
that
that
a
one-off
or
is
that,
is
that
a
a
typical
experience
of
of
young
women
growing
up
in
poverty.
E
I
think
it's
unfortunate
for
any
young
woman
who
has
by
society
means
been
seen
as
over-sexualized
because,
as
you
said,
she
made
them
left
to
do
the
parental
role
at
home
and
chief
fricker
staff,
and
I
even
had
a
conversation
about
this,
so
she
may
have
been
left
to
take
care
of
her
siblings.
E
That
may
mean
getting
them
ready
for
school,
getting
on
faith
cooking
during
dinner
or
whatever
and
those
kinds
of
things,
but
for
that
to
turn
around
and
say
that
she's
overly
sexualized,
I
think
the
over-sexualization
comes
from
society
looking
at
her
because
she
is
seen
that
way
and
george
mentioned
the
objectification
of
women.
I
think
it
goes
to
that
as
well.
This
is
going
to
be
a
real
frank
example.
I'm
getting
ready
to
give,
but
I
don't
mind
sharing
it
because
I'm
I
think
it's
what
we
need
to
hear
in
our
society.
E
It
sure
said
we
were
blessed
to
be
raised
by
two
parents.
Let
me
tell
you
what
my
father
taught
me
about
that
my
father
said:
if
I
sat
or
if
I
walked
in
the
room
naked
and
sat
on
his
lap-
and
he
touched
me-
he
was
still
wrong.
That
was
a
very
power
that
stuck
with
me
all
my
life.
That
was
very
powerful,
that,
as
a
woman,
if
a
man
did
something
to
me,
he's
the
one
wrong,
not
me.
So
I
think
we
have
to
really
flip
the
script
and
begin
to
look
at
that.
E
These
young
girls
that
we're
saying
are
overly
sexualized.
No,
I
think
it's
the
adult
eyes
that
see
them
that
way
they
are
who
they
are
often,
particularly
in
the
framework.
Whatever
emerges
that
you
put
it,
they
are
often
in
the,
and
they
are
often
in
that
position
because
of
poverty,
and
they
have
to
be
the
one
who's,
because
mom
is
out
working
and
working,
two
jobs,
the
single
mom,
so
she
has
to
she
or
he,
the
child
and
you're.
E
Talking
specifically
about
the
young
girls,
she
has
to
be
the
one
cooking,
the
meals
and
cleaning
the
house
and
getting
the
kids
ready.
So
she
gets
in
that
a
currentified
role
because
about
she's,
not
sexualized,
she's
preventified
and
people
see
her
that
way
and
then
often
begin
to
take
advantage
of
her
because
they
think
when
they
see
that
they
think
oh,
she
can
handle
it.
She
is
tough.
She
is
strong,
she's
woman
enough
to
handle,
but
she's,
not
woman,
she's,
she's,
nine
she's
dead.
C
So
yeah
and
there's
also
another
side
to
that.
You
know
from
a
mental
health
perspective,
there
are
individuals
that
have
a
disorder,
that's
red,
which
is
reactive,
attachment
disorder
and
they
act
out
because
they
don't
know
how
to
interact
with
people
properly
and
a
lot
of
times.
It
comes
out
in
a
very
provocative
sexual
way
and
people
on
outside
that
don't
know
that.
That's
what
that
is
will
say.
C
Oh
you
know,
they're
just
flashy
they're,
you
know
throwing
themselves
away,
but
there
there's
a
reason
behind
it
and
I'm
not
saying
that
it's
okay
and
I'm
saying
that
you
know
we
just
don't
always
know
how
to
deal
with
people's
reactions
and
what
they
see.
You
know
a
person
with
red
spends
a
lot
of
time
to
themselves.
So
they'll
do
a
lot
of
watching
tv.
They'll
pick
it
up
from
social
media
they'll
pick
it
up
from
music.
C
They'll
pick
it
up
from
you
know,
videos,
you
know
you
name
it,
but
this
is
how
they
feel
like
they're,
being
accepted
in
society,
because
they
know
they're
different.
So
there's
different
levels
of
this
that
we're
discussing
here
and
it's
it's.
You
know
it
goes
from
trauma
to
mental
health,
to
behavioral
or
learned,
or
you
know
them
not
knowing
and
and
then
it
all
comes
into
a
pot,
and
these
are
the
folks
that
are
most
likely
to
be
taken
advantage
of.
A
So
towards
that
point,
because
you
mentioned
mental
health
just
now,
and
previously
you
also
mentioned
trauma.
C
So
one
thing
that
I
have
to
do
for
everybody
and
when
I
do
conferences
and
teaching
this,
I
teach
everybody
to
don't
automatically
assume
that
somebody
is
acting
out
that
they're
just
bad
there's
a
reason
you
know.
No
one
is
just
bad,
there's
a
reason
that
they're
behaving
in
this
manner.
So
sometimes
you
got
to
get
to
what
the
situation
is
behind
all
this
and
generally
it's
a
try.
It's
some
sort
of
tr
some
sort
of
trauma.
It
could
be
the
way
they
grew
up.
C
It
could
be
them
not
having
a
male
figure
in
their
life.
It
could
be,
they
grew
up
in
a
household
and
their
father
or
their
mother's,
significant
other
abused
them
or
you
know
their
uncles
or
somebody
they
were
around.
This
is
what
they
saw.
It
could
be
the
next
door
neighbor
and
that's
what
they
saw.
There's
something
there
that
caused
them
is
causing
them
to
act
in
this
way,
and
sometimes
society
just
jumps
the
gun
and
says:
oh
they're,
just
provocative,
there's
a
reason.
H
C
To
know
the
signs
and
say,
okay,
this
person
is
acting.
You
know
a
little
bit
different,
there's
some
things
going
on
here.
You
know.
Sometimes
they
shut
themselves
off
from
the
world
because
there's
a
trauma
and
again
they
don't
know
how
to
react.
They
want
to
be
loved,
they
want
to.
They
want
to
have
a
relationship
with
someone,
but
they
can't
get
past
whatever
happened
to
them
in
their
life,
and
it's
not
always
that
they're
going
to
talk
about
it.
C
You
know
you
have
to
find
that
way
to
get
through
to
them
to
to
make
them
feel
comfortable
enough
and
be
able
to.
You
might
not
be
able
to
talk
to
them
about
it.
You
can
do
other
things
like
you
know.
I
do
a
lot
of
sand
tray
therapy
with
people,
so
they're
they're,
acting
it
out
or
drawing
or
or
doing
something.
So
it's
giving
me
some
background
history
so
that
I
can
then
work
on
it
and
counsel
around
those
situations.
F
I'm
going
to
just
turn
this
a
little
bit
because
we
are
kind
of
leading
down
this
road,
and
I
want
to
thank
reverend
burgess
because
he
had
a
lot
to
do
with
the
pittsburgh
bureau
police
lap
program.
We've
had
a
domestic
violence
unit
for
quite
some
time,
but
we
have
expanded
our
unit,
and
that
is
thanks.
So
much
to
the
nina
baldwin
fisher
foundation,
the
hillman
family.
F
F
We
have
met
with
some
great
success
and,
once
again,
I
applaud
reverend
burgess
because
he
was
on
the
forefront
of
this
whole
initiative
and
we
do
know
and
some
startling
facts,
and
I
wrote
them
down
here.
Strangulation
when
victims
or
victims
of
domestic
vase
domestic
violence
are
strangled,
they
call
that
the
edge
of
homicide-
that's
one
good
indicator
that
a
woman
will
meet
with
homicide
from
that
partner.
F
Another
thing
is:
if
the
victim
is
threatened
with
the
gun,
they're
15
times,
15
percent
more
likely
to
be
murdered,
and
also
if
the
victim
is
threatened
to
with
a
gun
to
be
killed
or
threatened
to
be
killed.
They're
20
percent
more
likely
to
be
coming
to
harm's
way.
So
it's
so
important
for
us
to
realize
that
domestic
violence
is
real
and
we
have
to
stop
it.
F
Domestic
violence
is
a
trauma
within
itself
and,
of
course,
we
know
that
it
kills
people,
so
the
real
important
messages
I
really
want
to
carry
away
with
this
is
that
there
are
supports
out
there
for
women
that
are
in
domestic
violence
situations.
There's
all
types
of
shelters,
the
pittsburgh
police
have
different
resources
rhonda.
I
I
was
hoping
that
you
can
jump
in
here
and
tell
us
all
the
things
that
the
women's
center
and
shelter
offers
victims
of
domestic
violence.
E
Chief
figure
staff-
I'm
glad
you
asked
that-
and
I
just
want
to
add
to
and
now
I'll
tell
you
about
our
resources
in
a
second
but
to
the
lap
program
that
you
refer
to
and
attorney
lorraine
vitner
from
women's
center
shelter.
Make
sure
I
have
the
statistics
to.
E
Let
me
know
that
we
have
had
1200
cases
reported
and
800
of
those
have
been
high
danger
cases
and
she
did
talk
about,
as
you
just
mentioned,
the
collaboration
from
the
domestic
violence
unit,
as
well
as
the
collaboration
women's
center
shelter
and
the
da's
prosecution
unit
on
domestic
violence.
So,
looking
at
that
collaborative
effort
through
those
three
organizations
together,
we
are
doing
something
to
hopefully
address
into
the
partner
violence,
domestic
violence
and
at
least
to
make
the
public
aware
that
we
do
have
these
services.
E
Most
people
know
women's
center
and
shelter
of
greater
pittsburgh
by
our
shelter,
but
we
also
we
have
a
24-hour
hotline.
We
have
a
chat
line,
chat
text,
the
chat
line,
9
a.m,
to
9
p.m.
Monday,
all
week,
long
seven
days
a
week,
we
also
have
people
who
may
just
not
need
to
or
choose
to
or
be
safe
is
the
real
language.
It
may
not
be
safe
right
now
for
them
to
leave
the
abusive
relationship.
E
However,
they
may
come
in
for
support
during
the
week,
but
right
now,
everything's
virtually
no
doubt
because
of
the
pandemic,
however,
that
they
may
participate
in
our
outreach
groups.
We
have
a
very
robust
outreach
program
at
women's
center
and
shelter
as
well,
where
we
provide
outreach
to
the
lgbtq
community
to
to
mail
victims
of
infant
partner,
violence
to
anyone
who
is
going
for
interdependent
balance.
E
We
also
have
services
for
children
through
our
children's
advocacy
program
at
women's
center
shelter
that
offers
a
lot
of
education,
as
dr
ford
was
mentioning
finding
out
some
about
the
roots
of
what's
coming
from
the
behavior,
because
it's
not
just
the
behavior.
What
is
the
drama
attached
to
that?
You
know
we
have
children
as
young
as
two
three
years
old
who've
already
witnessed
and
experienced
these
traumatic
events
at
home
who
are
living
it
out
in
their
daily
lives.
We
do
have
our
children
advocacy
department
as
well.
E
Of
course
we
have
a
legal
advocacy
department.
Our
legal
advocates
will
work
through
anyone
who's
coming
in
to
get
a
protection
from
an
abused
order,
just
explaining
that
process
and
walking
through
what
they
may
expect
when
they
go
in
to
get
a
protection
from
abuse
order.
So
we
do
have
a
plethora
of
services
at
women's
center
shelter
in
the
front
door
to
all
of
our
services
is
our
24-hour
hotline.
E
Our
website
is
wcs,
pittsburgh.org
pittsburgh
is
spelled
out
and
I
encourage-
and
I
invite
people
to
just
look
at
it-
sometimes
because
you
never
know
when
you
may
be
helping
a
family
member,
a
friend
or
a
neighbor.
So
it's
wise
just
to
put
yourself
up
on
that
information
for
whatever
role
you're
in
that
you
may
get
to
help.
Somebody
with
that
so
yeah
thanks.
So
much
for
asking
I'm
glad
I
had
the
opportunity
to
share
that.
F
And
I
just
also
wanted
to
add
also
that
whenever
police
officers
respond
to
a
scene
for
domestic
violence-
and
there
is
an
intimate
partner
relationship
going
on
there
and
there
has
been
some
sort
of
violence,
we
use
that
domestic
violence
phone
the
lap
file
and
we
connect
real
time
with
the
women's
center
and
shelter
so
that
we
can
get
services
for
the
victims.
D
Real
quickly
bit
which
rhonda
started,
we
have
11
groups,
we
averaged
15
men
via
kovic.
We
have
been
doing
it
fun,
but
we've
been
doing
it
community-based
for
the
last.
What
seven
or
eight
years
is
that
an
honest
estimate.
D
Good,
and
so
what
that
means
is-
and
as
I
was
talking
to
brother
gilmore
about
this
yesterday-
and
this
is
really
a
separate
conversation,
because
this
really
concentrates
on
the
men
that
cause
harm
old
term
battle,
we
don't
use
that
term
anymore,
we're
trying
to
humanize
these
men
because
one
of
the
things
I
do
want
to
say
why
I
have
this
audience
is
in
light
of
what
dr
ford
said.
What
is
often
overlooked
is
the
trauma
we
as
males
experience
and
we
don't
often
show
up
for
treatment.
D
We
don't
talk
about
being
sexually
abused
and
we
wear
it
almost
as
a
badger
honor,
particularly
in
the
black
community,
because
we
have
a
high
threshold
for
pain
via
slavery.
So
some
of
our
post-slavery
syndromes
is
carried
on
now
through
generations.
Leaking
over
to
400
plus
years
that
are
still
being
carried
out.
Good
book
called
roots
helps
to
explain
what
I'm
talking
about,
but
real
quickly.
What
we
concentrate
on
is
helping
men
to
take
personal
accountability
and
responsibilities
for
the
behavior.
D
We
don't
actually
do
treatment,
but
I
am
pleased
to
say
that
we
have
a
new
upcoming
initiative
that
I
met
with
my
partner
about
all
this
morning,
taking
a
look
at
adding
counseling
now
on
to
the
group
psycho
education
process,
so
that
we
can
better
help
these
men
there's
24
weeks,
they
do
have
to
pay
and
most
of
them
are
court-ordered,
and
I
must
say
that
they
come
in
all
ranges:
ages,
personalities
and
skin
color.
One
thing
about
intimate
partner
violence.
D
It
is
an
equal
opportunity,
it's
not
like
just
poverty
or
just
race
or
just
this,
and
that
we've
had
them
bankers
and
we've
had
homeless
man.
So
that
was
something
we're
real
proud
of.
Obviously,
as
sisters
and
brothers
we're
extremely
proud
of
the
work
we've
been
able
to
do
in
this
area,
and
I
don't
think
it's
well
known
enough,
because
we
still
concentrate
pretty
much
on
the
victims
and
I
wholeheartedly
understand
that.
But
if
you
look
at
the
data,
the
data
is
talking
about
male
to
female
abuse.
So
why?
D
F
We
have
had
some
fatal
situations.
Yes,
where
young
men
have
killed
their
teenage
girls,
so
I
mean
I'm.
I
just
really
wanted
to
navigate
to
you
real
quick
just
to
talk
about
the
teenage
violence,
young
girls
that
are
being
abused
by
their
boyfriends.
C
Absolutely,
and
and
just
to
clarify,
I
work
with
all
ages,
but
this.
C
A
real
burst
of
teenage
between
the
end
of
last
year
and
this
year,
but
it's
true,
you
know
they're
they're.
They
want
to
be
loved
again.
They
they
don't
know
who
to
be
loved
by
who
who's
going
to
trust
them.
They
think
that
okay,
well
he's
got
a
car
or
oh,
he
spends
money
on
me,
but
then
well,
he
only
does
it
when
he
drinks,
or
he
only
does
it
when
he's
mad
or
it's
not
really.
He
just
was
upset.
C
I
mean
they
internalize
and
the
blame
and
put
it
on
themselves
instead
of
realizing
hey.
I
don't
have
to
put
up
with
this.
I
don't
deserve
this.
You
know
what
I
mean,
so
it's
it's
a
hard
thing
to
do.
I've
counseled
and
worked
with
them.
I've
worked
with
them.
Sometimes
you
know
months
on
end
to
get
them
to
the
point
where
you
know:
okay,
you're
right,
I
can't
stand.
I
don't
have
to
have
a
man
in
my
life.
C
I
don't
have
to
have
a
boyfriend,
especially
if
they're
gonna
treat
me
like
this
well,
but
I
can't
get
out
of
this
because
I
got
a
child
with
them
and
I
can't
do
it
on
my
own.
Yes,
you
can.
Yes,
you
can
so
you
know,
majority
of
the
cases
that
we're
seeing
now
are
more
or
less
because
one
there's
a
child
involved.
Two.
C
They
had
some
sort
of
problem
at
home
and
they
had
to
move
out
and
they
don't
have
anywhere
else
to
go
and
they
think
they
can't
do
it
on
their
own.
You
know
three
they're
just
infatuated
with
these
little
with
some
of
these
men,
you
know
and
I'ma
say
some
of
them
aren't
even
men,
they're
boy-minded.
So
they're,
not
really.
You
know
mature
enough
to
have
a
relationship
themselves
and
it
may
be
because
of
something
that
they
went
through.
C
So
you
know
all
those
factors
are
coming
into
play
and
it's
best
to
try
to
educate.
I
go
on
and
I
do
podcasts.
I
work
with
zone
five
a
lot
as
far
as
trying
to
do
engagement
and
just
positive
awareness
and
trying
to
reach
out
to
teens
or
youth
or
young
adults
just
to
try
to
break
that
cycle
to
try
to
show
them.
You
know
it
wasn't
easy
for
me
as
a
female
as
an
african-american
female,
becoming
a
doctor.
C
Getting
to
the
point
where
I
could
say:
hey,
I'm
a
doctor-
and
I
can
do
this.
You
know
what
I
mean
so
just
trying
to
use
my
story
as
an
encouragement
for
them
to
encourage
them
to
hey.
This
is
what
you
can
do
with
yourself.
You
know
you.
Can
you
can
do
this?
You
can
become
somebody
you
can
do
whatever
you
put
your
mind
to,
but
you
got
to
have
faith
in
yourself.
You
got
to
believe
in
you
as
a
as
a
young
woman.
C
As
you
know,
a
young
adult
you
have
to
believe
in
you
and
a
lot
of
these
women
don't
have
that
they
don't
have
somebody
that
they
can
just
talk
to.
I
spend
hours
on
end
having
groups
where
I
just
talk
to
them
and
we
just
talk
about
whatever
is
on
their
mind.
Sometimes
I'm
just
that
listening
piece
for
them
so
that
they
can
get
out.
Hey,
I'm
struggling
I'm
having
trouble
with
this.
You
know
we.
C
We
have
great
relationships
that
I've
built
with
most
of
my
clients
and
and
a
lot
of
the
community
to
where
I
can
do
that,
and
I
think
we
need
a
lot
more
people
that
are
out
there,
because
I
know
I'm
one
person
chief
picker
staff
is
one
person,
rhonda
you're,
only
one
person
we
we
can
only
do
so
much
so
we
need
that
community.
We
need
that
village
to
be
able
to
strengthen
these
youth.
G
G
That
as
adults,
so
they
don't
see
us
getting
going
to
our
friends
for
support,
we
need
to
assume
organized
support
is
not
bad.
It's
not
just
don't
just
send
the
one
person
that
you
think
is
going
crazy
down
the
hall.
Everybody
just
go
down
the
hall
everybody's
got
to
the
counselor
because
they
all
need
support.
I
mean
I
need
it,
you
need,
we
all
need
it.
We
all
get
it
in
some
way,
but
we
don't
show
that
oftentimes
people
don't
no.
We
need
to
normalize
this
getting
of
support
or
going
to
counseling
going
to
therapy.
C
B
George
was
very
insightful
with
that.
You
know.
We
know
that
when
we
talk
about
teenage
pregnancy
and
you
talk
about
child
involved,
really
it's
only
halfway
at
problem
teenage
pregnancy,
because
what
happens
is
when
you
look
at
the
numbers,
you
may
have
a
young
teen,
woman,
who's,
pregnant
and
she's.
You
know
14
15
16,
but
the
fathers
are
young,
adult
men,
they're
19,
20,
21
22.,
and
so
you
have
this
this,
this
problem
of
older
men
and
these
young
girls
being
galvanized.
B
You
know
because
they're
looking
for
father
figures,
they
have
cars,
they
have
money,
they
have
resources.
I
guess,
but
I
think
the
trauma
is
widespread.
I
think
that
in
poor
communities
and
unfortunately
in
pittsburgh,
you
know
black
people
disproportionately
live
in
poor
communities.
I
think
both
the
men
and
women,
both
young
women
and
young
men,
grew
up
in
trauma
field
communities.
So
what
are
those
some?
How
do
we
know
to
sort
of
talk
to
people?
How
do
they?
How
do
we
know
that
someone
is
dealing
with
trump?
What
does
trauma?
C
So
trauma
is
a
different
look
for
everybody,
so
there's
all
different
things
that
you
can
see.
You
can
see
someone.
That's
sheltering
themselves,
someone
that's
overeating,
someone
that's
having
emotional
ups
and
downs,
someone
that
is
aggressed
being
very
aggressive,
someone
that
is
just
too
shy.
You
know
someone
that
sometimes
they're
they're
one
way
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
you
see
something
different.
You
might
not
know
what
it
is,
but
you
know
that
person
is
different.
Something
is
going
on
with
them,
they're,
not
their
typical
self.
C
You
know
these
are
all
signs
of
something
they're,
not
taking
care
of
themselves
them
letting
themselves
that
go.
You
know
they
don't
want
to
go
to
school.
You
know
in
school
kids.
Sometimes
they
don't
want
to
go
to
work
they're,
not
showing
up
for
work.
They're
drinking
they're,
doing
drugs,
they're
they're
just
acting
differently
different
than
what
they
used
to
or
they're
doing
too
much
of
something
you
know.
Sometimes
you
can
just
look
at
somebody
and
see
it
on
their
face.
Their
expression.
C
Sheltering
themselves
is
not
wanting
to
go
out
not
wanting
to
come
out
the
room,
not
wanting
to
see
anybody
or
talk
to
anybody
just
closing
themselves
up
to
just
them,
because
they're
afraid
that
someone's
going
to
notice-
or
you
know
they
just
don't
they're
afraid
to
interact
with
someone.
So
those
are
just
some
science.
D
Doctors,
do
you
think
that
I'm
sorry?
I
just
want
to
ask
a
quick
question:
do
you
think
that
we
as
professionals
whatever
level
we're
at
have
done
a
adequate
job
of
educating
people
on
trauma,
informed
care,
the
approaches
to
take
to
that?
How
to
pivot
and
ask
the
question?
Not
why
you
did
that?
But
can
you
tell
me
what
happened
to
you
because
I've
been
training,
so
I'm
just
asking,
but
I
don't
everybody
doesn't
understand,
trauma
you're,
right,
very
good
question.
D
There
are
certain
indicators,
like
generational
trauma,
like
poverty
like
drug
and
alcohol
in
the
home
like
sexual
abuse,
but
we
as
brown
and
black
people.
We
have
also
what
you
are,
I'm
sure
well
aware,
is
and
even
becoming
a
doctor
systemic
trauma
absolutely
imposed
on
is
simply
because
of
skin
color.
So
trauma
can
also
be
multi-layered
in
that
you
have
to
get
a
relationship
with
the
person
much
like
you're
talking
about
so
that
they
learn
to
trust
you.
D
So
you
have
to
unpack
because
a
lot
of
people
that
are
victims
of
trauma
they
don't
even
know
they've,
been
traumatized
because
it's
their
norm
it's
their
norm.
So
one
of
the
things
that
would
be
good
to
be
able
to
do
is
educate,
in
particular
after
the
american
community,
on
how
to
look
out
for
a
lot
of
parents.
Don't
even
know
that
their
kids
are
being
bullied
in
school
and
things
like
that
because
they
got
their
hands
full
and
their
child
are
screaming
for
help.
D
You
recognize
it
because
they'll
come
talk
to
you
and
you'll
say
what
did
you
tell
your
mother?
No
cause?
You
know
me
and
her
don't
talk,
and
you
know
especially
around
stuff
with
relationships.
You
know
particular
relationship
phones,
you
know
guys
use
phones,
I'm
sure
you
hear
this
a
lot
you'll
be
in
the
session
and
you'll
he'll
get
texts
you're
answering
you're
like
where's
the
session
yeah.
I
have
to
answer
it.
He
needs
and
he
pays
for
the
phone.
D
C
Yes,
I
I
definitely
encourage
that.
I
think
that
we
don't
do
enough,
there's
never
enough
education
around
trauma
and
how
to
deal
with
it.
You
know,
as
professionals
we
do
the
best
that
we
can,
but
sometimes
we
don't
always
have
that
audience
to
educate
folks,
you
know
it's
it's
a
lot
of
folks
sometimes
think.
Oh,
I
know
what
trauma
is,
or
I
know
how
to
deal
with
it
or
I
can
handle
it
this
and
that
you
know
it's
those
folks
that
we
need
to
reach.
You
know
those
folks
that.
C
C
You
know
I'm
just
trying
to
get
it
out
there
trying
to
get
the
word
out
there,
because
the
more
we're
educated,
the
better
we
can
all
deal
with
the
situation
and
become
that
village
to
help
support.
I
want.
E
To
go
back
to
the
question
as
well,
because
when
dr
ford
started
giving
some
indicators
and
examples
of
what
could
look
like
trauma
or
therapy
trauma,
I
also
want
to
make
sure
we
put
on
the
table
something
chief
bricker
staff
mentioned
as
well
that
the
age
group
16
to
24
is
the
age
group
that
reports
teen
dating
violence
is
what
is
usually
referred
to
in
that
age
group,
but
the
behavior
is
the
same
as
any
adult.
Usually
the
only
difference
we
see
is
that
the
couple
does
not
always
reside
together.
E
However,
other
behaviors
mimic
the
same
as
in
the
adult
relationship
so
16
to
24
year
olds
is
the
age
who
reports
intimate
partner,
violence,
team
dating
violence
more
often
than
any
other
group,
so
that
self-sheltering
could
be
isolation.
So
she,
why
does
she
not
come
out?
Because
her
partner
doesn't
allow
her
to
go
out
because
her
partner
wants
her
to
facetime
so
when
they
call,
she
can
always
show
where
she
is.
You
know,
so
why
is
she
now
dressing
so
differently?
E
Because
those
cute
trending
clothes
that
she
wore
used
to
wear
her
partner
now
says:
that's
too
sexy
you?
Don't
need
to
be
looking
like
that
you
just
just
wear
some
sweat
so
now
she's
wearing
sweatsuits,
and
these
are
some
parents.
George
talked
about
parents,
don't
always
recognize.
These
are
some
signs
that
parents
can
see
they're
easily
visible
in
the
home.
E
It
breaks
my
heart
to
think
about
a
mother
who
lost
her
daughter
about
maybe
about
eight
years
ago
now,
eight
to
ten
years
ago,
lost
her
daughter
to
homicide
of
teen
dating
violence,
and
he
talked
about
how
the
young
man
was
always
in
that
home
and
how
they
knew
him.
They
knew
him
before
he
started
dating
their
daughter
and
she
just
never
had
any
sign
that
she
could
point
back
to
and
see
that
this
young
man,
a
young
man,
but
this
person
was
abusive
to
her
daughter
to
the
point
where
he
eventually
murdered
her.
D
F
E
Her
birthday,
you
know
so
when
you
one
day
before
18th
birthday.
So
when
you
talk
about
recognizing
trauma,
I
think
everybody
here
is
an
agreement.
It
has
a
lot
of
layers
and
it
looks
different.
Absolutely.
I
think,
dr
ford,
when
she
said
they
were
different.
That's
what
you're
looking
for
what's
different,
because
this
is
a
heck
of
an
example,
but
you
know
maybe
my
17
well
we're
going
to
wake
older.
E
Maybe
my
23
year
old
usually
goes
out
on
the
weekend
parties
and
has
too
much
to
drink
now
like
what's
happening,
she's,
not
drinking
it
at
all.
I'm
not
saying
drink
is
a
good
thing.
I'm
saying
there's
a
difference
than
what
she
was
doing
find
out,
how
the
difference
is
there.
You
know
why
is
she
dressing
different,
acting
different?
She
used
to
be
on
her
phone
all
the
time
now
she
doesn't
even
know
where,
where
in
the
house
her
phone
is,
she
doesn't
know
we're
staying
around.
It's
not
important
to
her
anymore.
E
C
E
G
E
You
know
one
of
the
scariest
things
I'm
going
to
say
about
so,
just
like,
like
you
just
said,
we
could
spend
the
whole
show
talking
about
just
focusing
I'm
going
to
just
start
off
with
saying
one
of
the
dangerous
things
about
social
media
is
how
people
can
make
up,
and
this
is
what
happens.
A
lot
in
teen,
dating
violence
relationships
is
that
the
person
using
abuse,
power
and
control
will
create
a
fake
profile
and
then
go
on
and
make
statements
about
their
victim
that
and
make
it
look
like
it's
coming
from
that
person.
E
You
know,
so
I
think
that's
one
of
the
things
and
another
thing
that
chief
rickerson.
This
really
really
frightens
me,
I
think
about
from
the
law
enforcement
or
how
we
can
do
something
differently,
because
you
know
you
can
put
something
I
can
leave
my
cell
phone
on
the
table.
While
I
go
to
the
bathroom
at
my
boyfriend's
house
and
come
back
and
there's
spyware
on
my
phone
now,
my
boyfriend
cannot
track
me
everywhere.
E
I
go,
you
know
they
can
put
something
under
your
under
your
car
and
I
don't
really
give
about
everything
they
can
do
down.
I
don't
want
to
teach
them
what
to
do,
but
you
know
what
I'm
saying:
there's
so
many
ways
now
that,
and
that
means
social
media
means
a
lot
of
different
things.
So,
mr
gilbert,
you
may
admit
it
in
a
different
way
how
people
stay
on
social
media.
But
that's
that's
one
of
the
frightening
parts
when
I
think
about
abuse
power
in
control.
F
Rhonda
you
bring
up
a
good
point.
A
lot
of
abusers
do
use
that
spyware,
those
trackers
to
find
out
where
their
significant
others
or
girlfriends
or
guarantor
boyfriends
are
going,
and
that
has
resulted
in
the
demise
of
those
individuals
or
people
that
the
other
first
person
was
dating
if
they
broke
up
with
them
and
they
start
going
with
someone
else,
they
put
spyware
or
some
type
of
tracker,
so
they
can
figure
out
who
they
were
with
and
in
some
cases
that
turned
out
to
be
fatal
for
the
new
boyfriend
or
girlfriend.
B
Perhaps
sometime
in
the
future,
we'll
have
a
client,
a
cli
town
hall
on
mass
media
right,
because
we
know
that
television
motion
pictures
magazines,
the
internet,
creates
culture
and,
unfortunately,
and
in
some
of
my
class
my
classes,
we
talk
about
this.
Unfortunately,
when
we
grew
up,
there
was
really
a
pretty
hard
line
between
acceptable
and
unacceptable.
What
kind
of
media
forms
were
acceptable
and
unexpectable
now-
and
I
do
this
in
class,
but
the
line
between
pornography
gangster
rap
all
these
negative,
horrific
views
of
women
are
now
are
normal.
B
Now
I
know
I
won't
I
I
I
I
talked
to
my
daughter
about
this.
You
know
I'm
as
a
father
the
whole
idea
that
you
know
you
have
these
rap.
I
won't
I'm
not
going
to
even
mention
your
name,
but
some
of
these
big
rap
stars
who
are
who,
in
their
videos,
simply
objectify
sexualize
themselves
right
that
that's
they
make
money
off
this
of
this
characterization,
but
the
the
consequences
to
everyday
young
girls
is
horrific.
Right.
B
Young
men
are
allowed
to
view
women
in
that
way,
they're
not
going
to
start
I'm
almost
to
the
next
they're
not
going
to
they're,
not
going
to
stop
with
with
cardi
b
they're
going
to
take
that
whole
perspective
and
expect
their
12
year
old
girl,
13
year
old
girl,
15
year
old,
girlfriend
to
be
and
and
to
view
them
in
that
same
sort
of
seductive
temptress
way,
and
that
leads
to
to,
I
believe,
abuse,
objectification,
and
maybe
I'm
that's
like
I'm
not
going
to
say
I.
I
really
feel
very
strongly
about
the
media.
B
The
media
is
complicitly
in
in
in
promoting
these
negative
african-american
images
to
our
young
people.
E
All
in
the
name
of
a
dollar
amelia,
absolutely.
A
So
we
are
at
our
hour
mark
essentially,
but
I
do
want
to
take
a
quick
second
to
bring
on
micah
campbell
smith
onto
the
show
she's
sort
of
been
monitoring
the
questions
that
were
coming
in
many
of
which
you
all
have
already
answered.
But
there
was
one
specifically
she
said
that
had
not
been
touched
upon,
and
so
I
would
like
to
bring
her
on.
So
she
could
ask
that
question.
H
Good
evening,
the
question
was:
what
do
programs
rehabilitation
programs
look
like
for
abusers
themselves
and
what
are
the
outcomes
for
these
programs.
A
E
So
women's
center
shelter
has
one
of
the
five
one
of
the
four
programs
in
allegheny
county
working
with
battering
intervention
program
percent
also
has
one
for
the
tlgb2
community.
So
the
other
programs
are
the
renewal
center
at
wesley
family
services
and
women's
center
shelter
of
greater
pittsburgh,
and
we
all
offer
battery
intervention
programs
and
we
use
the
word
battering
and
not
battle
roof
for
battery
intervention
programs.
E
So
you
can
get
that
by
calling
I'm
just
because
I'm
here
I'm
going
to
say
you
certainly
can
call
our
program,
and
we
will
refer
you
one
of
the
things
we
do
because
we're
not
fighting
over.
We
have
enough
men
referring
to
these
programs
that
we're
not
fighting
over
which
one
they
go
to,
because
what
we
tried
to
do
is
make
it
as
convenient
for
him,
particularly
when
we
were
live
and
not
doing
virtual
world.
E
E
And
then
we
have
a
saturday
program
that
the
other
ones
don't
so
we
really
work
together
to
have
men
and
those
who
use
power,
control
abuse.
As
I
said,
first
half
for
the
tlgbq
and
renewal
also
for
women.
D
E
Are
defendants
in
court,
for
instance,
partner
balance
as
well?
So
I'm
just
going
to
give
our
information,
because
I
know
about
heart
and
again
that
is.
E
412-687-8005
and
you
that
is
just
one
blanket
number
that
can
get
you
information
you
could
be
put
in
and
get
information
george
mentioned
earlier
that
most
of
our
men
are
court
referred
and
you
can
self
refer.
We
have
had
men
call
and
say
my
father
said:
I
need
this
program
or
hey.
My
brother
went
through
this
program,
so
I
think
it
would
be
good
if
I
take
it.
So
we
do
take
self
referrals
in
addition
to
court
probation
and
cyf
referrals.
D
The
one
question
I
want
to
answer
is
always
comes
up,
and
I
was
talking
to
brother
gilmore
about
this
yesterday.
How
effective
is
it?
Our
philosophy
is
any
intervention
that
we
have
because
of
the
passion
expertise
we
have
in
this
area
is
some
level
of
success,
even
if
they
don't
complete
now
a
lot
of
our
men
do
complete
the
program,
but
there's
a
difference
between
a
willing
participant
and
a
forced
participant.
D
Remember
our
men
are
forced
to
come.
The
changes
I've
made
in
my
life
came
through
a
willingness
to
unpack
myself
to
be
transparent
enough
to
work
on
me
from
the
inside
out.
So
we
believe
that
unless
somebody
will
fund
us-
and
I'm
talking
to
the
councilmen
now
because
there's
very
few,
if
any
data
or
research
on
longevity
after
they're
out
of
the
program,
nobody
follows
them.
D
This
is
why
we're
building
an
aftercare
because
a
lot
of
the
men,
the
light,
bulb,
don't
come
off
to
around
the
18th
week
and
then
we're
trying
to
get
everything
into
the
last
six
weeks
to
try
to
get
them
into
transition.
They
don't
complete
people
often
say
well.
Can
you
a
judge?
Ask
me:
can
you
guarantee
me
he's
not
going
to
be
offended?
I
said
no
more
than
I
can
guarantee
you're
going
to
wake
up
in
the
morning.
It's
a
loaded
question.
D
What
I
can
tell
you
is
they
will
be
equipped
to
make
better
choices,
because
it's
a
learned,
behavior,
it's
up
to
them
to
unlearn
it.
So
we
can't
give
you
80
of
demand
to
come
through
or
not
gonna
harm.
Somebody
else
that
that's
just
not
a
real,
fair
question,
because
people
ask
us
all
the
time-
and
I
want
to
speak
to
that,
but
I
do
believe
we
can
come
up
with
best
practices
if
we
had
some
clinical
longitudinal
study
done
by
people
like
researchers
and
dr
ford's
in
them.
D
A
Thank
you
all
what
so
here's
what
I
would
actually
like
to
do,
because
we
have
restarted
our
mark.
If
you
are
willing,
I
would
love
to
have
you
all
back,
because
there
are
a
number
of
questions
that
I
just
didn't
get
to,
that.
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
ask
you
at
another
time.
If
you
all
be
willing
and
micah
said,
we
had
a
very
active
audience
this
evening.
A
So
obviously
this
topic
is
important
and
one
that
we
need
to
continue
educating
people
on,
and
so
I
would
just
love
to
invite
you
all
back
if
you
would
be
so
willing,
but
with
that
being
said,
we
are
out
of
our
time
for
today's
show-
and
I
do
want
to
thank
all
our
guests,
starting
with
lavonnie
bickerstaff,
the
assistant
police
chief
for
investigations,
dr
stacy
ford,
therapist
and
advocate
rhonda
fleming
of
the
women's
center
and
shelter
and
education
and
men's
program
director
and
mr
george
fleming
program
supervisor
for
allegheny
family
network's
fathers
involved
now
program.
A
I
hope
I
got
that
right.
Remember
that
correctly.
You
did
of
course
thank
you
and,
of
course,
mr
j
gilmer.
Obviously,
in
order
to
have
safe
and
prosperous
communities
addressing
the
safe
and
prosperity
of
black
women
is
imperative
and
thankful
to
you
all
for
being
our
partner
and
ally.
We
will
ensure
that
we
will
rebuild
our
black
communities
and
keep
them
as
safe
as
possible.
So
thank
you
all
for
your
work.
B
Thank
you.
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
watching
and
participating
in
this
town
hall
meeting.
Remember
you
can
watch
this
show
on
facebook,
the
city's
youtube
channel
or
the
city's
cable
channel.
A
new
meeting
occurs
every
wednesday
by
working
together,
united
purpose.
We
can
transform
our
city
strengthen
it
for
all
of
its
residents.