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A
And
we
welcome
you
back
to
another
episode
of
black
pittsburgh
matters.
Black
pittsburgh
matters
is
a
series
of
virtual
town
hall
meetings,
affirming
a
city-wide
agenda
that
black
pittsburgh
does
indeed
matter.
Black
pittsburgh
matters
means
that
black
lives
matter
means
we
must
protect
the
health
and
safety
of
black
people.
It
means
that
black
communities
matter.
We
must
rebuild
black
communities
and
invest
in
them,
and
it
means
that
black
wealth
matters.
We
must
increase
black
employment
and
entrepreneurial
ship.
B
The
black
community
has
been
disproportionately
affected
by
concurrent
crises,
one
the
kovic
19
pandemic
and
its
economic
crisis
and
two
race
relations,
which
is
a
public
health
crisis.
Normally
in
times
of
crisis,
and
great
change,
we'll
be
coming
to
you
as
the
black
elected
officials
of
pittsburgh
and
having
meetings
across
the
city
with
our
constituents,
partners
and
allies.
B
Since
we
cannot
do
so
safely
in
the
current
pandemic.
We
are
now
using
this
media
and
platform
to
come
to
you
in
the
ways
we
can
to
discuss
about
what
we
are
doing
and
discussing
policy
and
legislation
concerning
black
pittsburgh.
These
meetings
are
available
via
facebook
youtube
and
the
city's
cable
channel.
You
can
contact
or
ask
questions
via
the
facebook
page
and
the
pit,
which
is
black
pittsburgh,
which
is
pg,
blackpga,
headers
gmail.com,
that's
our
email
and
the
black
pittsburgh
facebook
page
and
also
through
our
live
right
now.
A
So
this
summer,
rev
has
been
marked
by
a
lot
of
historic
protests
addressing
long-held
issues
with
regarding
the
protection
of
black
lives,
as
well
as
the
conditions
of
black
communities,
and
this
activism
is
important
because
it
often
facilitates
movement
on
the
legislative
side.
Many
of
the
public
safety
bills
that
both
you
and
I
recently
passed
through
city
council
this
year
would
probably
have
been
impossible
to
move
just
a
few
months
ago,
but
the
activism
and
and
all
those
taken
to
the
streets
allowed
for
that
opportunity.
A
However,
we
must
realize
that
we
cannot
simply
rely
along
rely
upon
protests
alone.
We
must
turn
protests
into
legislation
and
turn
our
pain
into
systematic
change,
and
one
key
way
to
do
that
is
to
show
up
and
vote
this
fall
again.
I
want
to
encourage
every
single
person.
I
know
tim
stevens
will
stress
this
when
he
gets
on
to
please
vote.
This
fall.
Another
key
way
to
participate
right
now
and
make
impact
is
to
participate
in
the
census.
B
And
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
happens
dan,
as
you
know
now
is
we
do
our
work.
Is
that
sometimes
we
do
it
in
a
vacuum
right?
There
are
other
special
interest
groups
that
come
to
council.
They
get
public
comment,
they
give
testimony
and
they
are
disproportionately
represented.
The
majority
culture
is
disproportionately
represented,
so
the
needs
of
our
communities.
Often
there's
not.
You
know.
Obviously
some
of
our
residents
are
working
or
have
children.
B
They
can't
come
down
to
city
council,
but
sometimes
the
people
who
do
come
don't
represent
the
ordinary
majority
of
african
americans
and
their
communities,
and
I
really
believe
that
this
is
the
time
where
the
focus
has
to
be
on
the
black
community
and
the
residents
of
the
black
community
and
how
to
make
them
whole,
especially
given
these
two
twin
terrors,
our
community,
are
facing.
B
Well,
we
are
honored
to
be
joined
today
by
people
who
have
spent
their
life
fighting
for
the
empowerment
of
black
people.
We
have
mr
tim
stevens,
who
is
the
chairman
and
ceo
of
the
black
political
empowerment
project.
We
have
miss
esther
bush,
who
is
a
ceo
of
the
urban
league
and
mr
richard
stewart,
president
of
naacp
and
mr
chase
patterson,
ceo
of
the
urban
academy,
and
they
are
our
guest
today
for
this
very,
very
important
and
special
town
hall.
A
So,
thank
you
all
for
being
with
us.
I
would
just
remind
mr
stewart
if
he
could
turn
his
camera
on,
so
we
could
see
him.
A
What
I
would
like
to
do
just
to
begin
is
all
of
you
have
been
involved
in
black
activism
in
pittsburgh
for
some
time
now,
some
more
than
others,
but
nonetheless,
as
I've
known
all
of
you,
you
all
have
been
involved
and
I
would
like,
if
you
may,
just
give
a
30-second
overview
of
who
you
are
so
our
audience
can
appreciate
you,
but
also
what
you're
feeling
and
how
you're
experiencing
these
current
times.
A
D
Thank
you
so
much
for
inviting
me
this
evening.
D
I
want
to
quickly
state
that
born
and
raised
in
pittsburgh
and
left
for
25
years,
and
I've
been
back
25
years,
I'm
a
former
high
school
teacher
college
administrator
and
have
been
with
the
national
urban
league
movement
since
june
of
1980,
and
in
my
experience
with
the
national
urban
league
movement,
I
found
that
this
was
my
love,
basically,
because
I
always
ask
the
question
of
why
about
why
black
people
weren't,
seeing
the
way
other
americans
were
seen
and
their
ability
to
achieve
was
so
limited
and
so
for
me,
being
a
part
of
the
national
urban
league
movement
offered
me
an
opportunity
not
only
to
ask
the
question
why,
but
to
do
something
about
it.
E
My
name
is
richard
h,
stewart
jr,
I'm
the
current
president
of
the
naac
pittsburgh
I
was
raised
in
the
hill
district,
went
to
attend
fifth
avenue
high
school
and
I'm
honored
to
be
associated
with
you
folks,
because
I've
come
in
contact
and
worked
with
most
of
you
or
all
of
you.
There.
E
I've
been
involved
in
the
civil
rights
movement
for
the
past
35
years,
and
also
law
enforcement
for
the
last
35
years,
and
I'm
truly
blessed
to
be
able
to
speak
with
you
about
certain
issues,
and
my
my
question
is
why,
like
mr
mrs
bush
said,
we
cannot
come
together
and
work
together.
Why
do
we
have
to
keep
on
dealing
with
this
crab
mentality
out
of
the
basket?
E
E
F
Thank
you
all
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here:
reverend
burgess
and
councilman
lavelle,
good
friends
of
mine.
I've
been
involved
in
activism
since
the
early
2000s.
F
F
That's
that's
how
I
feel
as
a
black
man
raising
a
black
son
in
this
current
dynamics
of
our
world
and
of
our
city.
I'm
just
enraged
all
the
time
at
how
black
folks
are
so
easily
disposed
of
and
how
frustrating
our
experience
is
on
a
daily
basis.
And
so
I'm
quite
intrigued
and
looking
forward
to
this
evening's
conversation
and
thank
you
again
for
the
opportunity.
B
I
want
to
go,
I
think,
having
listened
to
you,
I
want
to
go
to
right
to
this.
The
question
we
right
now
black
americans
are
in
revolutionary
times,
there's
been
various
comparisons
that
this
time
is
similar
to
reconstruction
or
to
the
last
civil
rights
movement.
So,
let's
talk
about
these
times.
What
is
it
now
that
we
know
we?
We
are
facing
an
outcry
because
of
police
violence
is
not
new
to
us
right
and
and
our
private
racism
is
not
new
to
us.
What's
what
makes
this
different?
Let's
talk
about.
D
C
C
A
lot
of
the
protests
were
actually
predominantly
white
right
in
cities
across
the
nation,
back
in
the
60s
and
50s
early
70s,
the
marches
and
protests
were
integrated.
For
instance,
when
I
was
exactly
when
I
was
president
of
the
naacp
responding
to
the
death
of
of
johnny
gammage
october
12-95.
C
I
think
one
of
the
other
differences
today
is
that
a
lot
of
the
protests
are
there's
different
young
leaders
at
different
marches
and
it's
not
just
on
one
person
or
two,
and
I
think,
that's
healthy
in
the
sense
that
it
going
to
the
rage
that
kha
spoke
of
it.
It
projects
a
shared
rage
across
our
city
and
across
the
nation,
and
the
consistency
and
persistency
of
the
marches.
C
I
think
has
been
at
a
more
intense
level
than
back
in
the
day,
and
I
think
that
it
made
a
statement
to
the
nation
that
the
two
things
came
together:
the
covet
19
and
the
george
floyd
tragedy
and
outraged
death
came
together.
In
my
opinion,
if
you
noticed
after
a
while,
what
was
interesting
was
in
the
early
days
of
the
covet.
C
I
remember
b-pep
black
little
pirate
project
sent
out
notices
to
the
public.
We
even
had,
I
think,
a
press
release
on
it
that
black
people
can
get
covet,
because
if
you
remember
there
was
a
rumor
remember
some
of
you
remember
that
in
the
early
stages
the
black
people
can't
get
the
covet,
and
the
irony
of
that
is
now
black
people
get
the
coven
more
than
white
people.
C
So,
after
a
time
when
we
got
past
that
foolishness,
we
saw
in
america
the
disparities
between
white
people
and
black
people,
not
only
in
how
police
handle
us,
but
the
issue
of
the
difference
of
wealth,
health
and
the
social
health
of
our
community
at
a
level
that
I
think
most
americans
had
not
seen
before
the
two
coming
together.
I
think
made
this
more
of
a
powerful
moment
versus
one
or
the
other.
A
So
early
in
your
remarks
tim,
you
mentioned
the
age
of
the
protesters,
which
is
something
I've
actually
been
encouraged
by,
but
I'm
curious
and
I
really
have
two
questions
chase,
but
I'm
gonna
come
to
you
because
I'm
curious
of
your
thoughts
as
probably
the
we're
in
age,
but
you're
still
the
youngest
among
us.
So
I'm
just
curious
to
hear
your
thoughts
about
the
young
people
taking
to
the
streets.
Is
that
encouraging
for
you?
A
But
I'm
also
really
curious
to
be
quite
frank
about
how
you're
dealing
with
it
within
side
of
your
school.
I've
had
a
conversation
where
I've
on
numerous
occasions
my
children
have
come
to
me
wanting
to
know
why
they're
seeing
more
protests
on
tv,
why
are
they
seeing
other
black
person
die
and
having
to
deal
with
them
as
they
try
to
process
all
of
this
in
their
young
minds?
And
I'm
just
curious
from
you?
How
are
you
handing
that
with
inside
of
your
school?
Is
it
a
hard
conversation?
Is
it
encouraging
conversation?
F
Sure,
let
me
start
with
the
the
conversation
and
how
we're
having
it
in
the
school
and
and
then
I'll
answer
your
question
as
it
relates
to
the
age
of
of
the
leaders
of
the
movement.
Unfortunately,
this
is
not
the
first
time
that
we've
had
to
have
this
type
of
conversation
here
when
antoine
rose
was
murdered.
F
We
had
students
who
were
were
his
cousins,
who
had
seen
him
in
days
prior
to
his
murder,
and
there
was
a
numbness
that
kind
of
fell
across
the
building,
both
among
our
educators,
as
well
as
our
students,
and
so
we
silently
left
our
building
and
we
locked
hands
and
we
we
shut
down
meadow
street
and
we
spent
17
minutes
in
complete
silence
as
a
school
community.
Both
parents,
neighbors
teachers
and
what
I'm
most
proud
of
is
that
100
of
our
staff
joined
and
we're
not
an
exclusively
black
staff.
F
F
It
was
something
that
that
our
spirit
as
an
organization
as
a
school
as
an
institution
had
experienced,
and
so
the
difference
with
george
floyd
to
esther's
point
is
that
the
trauma
that
we
experienced
in
seeing
antoine
murdered
was
revived
in
a
different
way
for
a
longer
period
of
time
and
our
our
parents
and
our
students
saw
and
felt
it
and
it
absorbed
into
their
souls
like
it
did
all
of
ours,
and
it's
still
something
that
that
we
are
facing
as
a
school.
F
But
to
be
very
clear
here
at
the
urban
academy,
we
make
it
plain
that
black
lives
matter
that
the
work
we
do
is
centered
around
blackness
and
that
within
each
of
us
there
is
a
superhero.
Our
voices
have
power
and
our
dreams
are
real
and
have
potential,
and
so
we
we
talk
about
that
every
day
and
we
also
explore
the
reality
of
what
it
means
to
be
black
in
america
and
what
the
history
of
that
that
is-
and
I
think
that's
why
so
many
families
elect
to
send
their
children
to
our
school.
F
Now,
as
it
relates
to
the
the
leaders
of
the
movement
and
the
youthfulness,
you
know,
the
reality
is
that
at
36.
F
I
don't
feel
comfortable
asking
a
17
year
old
or
20
year
old,
to
allow
himself
or
herself
to
live
under
the
knee
of
an
oppressive
white
supremist
society,
and
I
am
empowered
by
them
doing
whatever
they
need
to
do.
However,
they
feel
they
need
to
do
it
now.
There
might
be
some
some
approaches
that
have
been
placed
on
the
movement
that
dilute
the
work.
F
E
B
Well,
I
I
I
you
touched
on
something
chase
and
I
I
think
I
would
start
with
richard
as
a
reaction
to
this
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
at
least
I
have
felt
among
some
of
the
some
of
the
younger
activists.
I've
talked
to
a
few
of
them,
not
all
of
them,
but
some
of
them.
They
have
no
idea
of
any
of
the
work
that
I've
done.
B
You
know
when
I
told
them,
I'm
in
my
37th
year
as
pastor
in
homewood,
a
block
from
the
church
I
was
born
and
raised
my
you
know,
I'm
in
my
30th
year
as
a
professor
at
ccac,
I'm
in
my
13th
year
of
council
and
whatever
it
is,
I've
done.
They
have
no
idea
and
there
there
is
among
some
of
them.
Sometimes
it's
spoken
unspoken.
B
I
believe
that
the
older
activism,
those
of
us
who
are
older
legislature,
let
legislatures
and
politicians,
have
sold
out
and
are
no
longer
relevant,
and
so
I
guess
we're
I'm
I'm
curious
if
it
would.
So
what
do
you
make
of
that
sentiment?
And
if
there
are,
are
there
some
principles
that
we,
although
no
longer
young
and
maybe
as
chase,
has
told
me
my
time
is
over,
but
is
there
if
there
are?
Are
there
things
that
we
can
do
to
be
helpful
to
empower
them
in
this
moment
richard?
What
do
you
think
well.
E
Thank
you.
I
want
to
chime
in
just
a
hair
on
what
chase
said.
E
I'm
still
working
every
day
I
average
four
or
five
hours
of
sleep
per
24
hours
because
of
work.
I'm
trying
to
do
and
I
will
continue
once
I
pass
the
mail
and
move
on.
I
will
be
there
for
someone
like
chase
to
call
me
I'm
saying
stu.
What
do
you
think
I'll?
Give
them
my
advice,
just
like
I
give
people
advice
when
it's
dealing
with
law
enforcement.
What
do
you
need
to
do
in
that
arena?
Who
you
need
to
sue?
What
you
need
to
ask
for?
I'm
still
here,
I'm
still
relevant.
E
Okay,
I'm
not
just
gonna,
lay
it
down
and
go
away
and
go
in
the
corner.
I'm
still
going
to
speak
my
mind,
tell
you
the
truth
and
I
and
I've
never
sold
out
I'm
offended
by
individuals
saying
that
we
have
come
to
the
end
of
our
road
because
we
sold
out
well
what
have
I
been
doing
for
the
last
30
years?
F
B
C
C
E
No,
no,
no,
no!
No,
no
chase,
please!
All
you
did
was
you
gave
me
that
opportunity
and
I'm
sorry
miss
esther
chase.
You
gave
me
that
opportunity
to
to
put
that
out
there,
like,
I
said
I
love
you
young
folks
and,
and
you
have
to
pick
up
the
mantle,
I'm
just
sick
and
tired
of
our
young
folks,
killing
each
other,
absolutely
okay
and
and
and
unjustifiably
okay
and
then
sit
there.
E
D
I
know
what
esther
bush
does,
whether
you
see
it
or
not,
and
a
lot
of
my
best
work.
You
will
never
see,
because
I
have
sat
down
with
leadership
and
when
I
say
leadership,
I'm
talking
elected
officials,
corporate
america,
heads
of
institutions,
heads
of
other
non-profits,
heads
of
community-based
organizations,
departments
in
the
city,
state,
county,
etc.
D
We
need
to
understand
that
we
need
each
other.
I
am
not
trying
to
measure
what
anybody
else
is
doing.
I
am
so
proud
of
the
fact
that
the
urban
league
has
a
black
male
leadership
development
program
and
a
black
female
leadership
development
program,
and
they
know
about
you
all,
because
it's
critically
important
for
them
to
understand
who
is
fighting
for
them
who
loves
them.
D
D
D
B
C
C
Two
weeks
ago,
tomorrow
we
unveiled
three
new
african-american
women
who
are
helping
to
lead
our
campaign
for
power.
In
western
pennsylvania.
We
have
about
65
partners
of
organizations.
B-Pep
is
the
lead
organization,
but
we
have
three
young.
Ladies
two
of
them
were
in
their
20s,
not
sure
with
her
age
but
she's,
relatively
young
relative
to
me,
and
today,
b-pep
was
represented
at
a
ywca
event
that
I
watched
at
noon
by
a
young
lady
who's
in
her
early
20s,
and
she
represented
us
well
and
I'm
excited
about
that.
C
C
C
But
we
all
have
a
role
to
play,
and
hopefully
we
can
play
together
in
a
positive
way
and
respect
each
other
and
again
be
aware
that
at
every
moment
we
will
not
always
agree
to
every
point
and
every
motion
and
every
emotion,
but
going
to
chase's
point
that
hopefully,
people
know
that
we
are
coming
from
a
goal
of
black
liberation
in
support
of
our
movement
to
improve
ourselves,
improve
our
communities,
improve
our
city,
our
region
and
the
nation
that
we
all
must
start
with
a
role
of
respect
again,
particularly
when
we
may
not
agree
with
our
approaches.
C
But
I
think
I
use
this
expression
esther.
I
think
almost
all
black
people
or
the
great
majority
of
black
people
are
in
the
same
book
in
chase.
We
may
be
on
a
different
page,
but
we're
probably
in
the
same
book
and
our
goal
is
that
black
folks
reach
that
mountaintop
that
dot
reverend
dr
martin
was
the
king
talked
about.
Maybe
some
of
us
go
on
that
side
of
the
mountain.
Some
go
on
this
side
of
the
mountain.
A
So
I
agree
in
the
collective
leadership
conversation.
I
agree
that
I
think
we're
all
trying
to
get
to
the
top
of
that
mountain,
regardless
of
how
we
get
there.
C
G
A
My
question-
and
this
is
really
for
any
of
you
to
respond
to-
is
what
do
you
believe,
the
necessary
resources
that
we
should
be
leveraging
the
energy
of
the
young
people
in
the
streets
that
we
should
be
leveraging?
Those
who
are
continuing
to
march
every
single
saturday
is
civil
saturdays
in
order
to
ensure
sort
of
chase
put
it
that
those
young
people's
futures
are
going
to
be
better
off
what
what
resources?
What
policy?
A
You
all
believe
we
should
be
trying
to
turn
this
movement.
These
protests
in
in
order
to
move
our
community
forward.
D
I
don't
mind
speaking
up
because
I
run
a
non-profit
organization.
I
am
exceptionally
pleased
and
impressed
every
year
with
what
my
staff
is
able
to
do
with
the
resources
that
they
are
given.
If
I
had
adequate
funding
to
address
the
issues
that
come
up
with
housing
to
address
and
every
time
there's
a
housing
issue.
The
first
question
is:
I
don't
want
to
take
my
child
out
of
school
how's,
my
child's
education
going
to
be
impacted.
D
D
D
D
All
human
beings
need
the
exact
same
thing.
If
we
are
not
given
the
exact
same
thing,
then
we
have
to
make
up
for
what
was
left
out
of
my
family
or
my
relatives
or
my
neighborhood
or
my
community.
It's
just
critically
important
for
us
to
look
at
human
needs,
the
same
way
and
fund
it.
Accordingly,
the
urban
league
of
greater
pittsburgh
would
be
even
more
awesome
to
help
even
more
thousands
of
people
black
and
white,
to
get
to
where
they
need
to
be
to
reach
their
fullest
potential.
C
G
C
C
C
The
catching
up
thing
doesn't
even
sound
almost
workable
because
of
the
depth
and
breadth
of
our
problems,
but
when
you
think
of
the
disparities
in
this
nation
part
of
the
disparities
in
the
history
of
access
again,
when
you
have
a
white
person
who
can
say,
I
have
four
or
five
generations
in
my
family
of
whatever
profession
and
we
in
the
black
community.
Again,
if
we
go
past
two,
that's
like
a
miracle,
so
we
have
so
far
to
go
and
that's
why,
as
council
people,
I
personally
appreciate
that
you've
even
brought
this
conversation
to
council.
D
C
But
black
lives
matter,
because
I'm
sure
that
was
somewhat
controversial,
even
within
your
own
minds
when
you
brought
it
up
into
white
people
who
are
sitting
on
council
to
say
what
so
we
must
stay
on
the
field
of
battle,
even
though
at
times
it's
frustrating,
sometimes
we
frustrate
each
other,
but
we
cannot
stop
because
the
depth
of
our
problems
and
the
breath
of
our
problems
so
deep
and
so
wide.
C
We
cannot
afford
to
stop.
I
tell
people
out
a
minute
unless
I'm
totally
debilitated,
I
will
be
doing
what
I'm
doing
at
some
level
until
I
go
to
jones
funeral
home
and
lie
in
a
casket,
because
I
don't
see
how
I
can
stop
what
I
hope
is
chase.
The
people
like
you
and
people
20
years
younger
than
you
are
the
15
year
olds.
Did
you
say
you're
36.,
so
the
folks
who
are
protesting
now?
C
One
of
the
things
I
wonder
about
is:
how
long
will
they
be
protesting,
not
necessarily
in
the
streets,
but
in
meetings
with
the
mayor
and
meetings
with
city
council
meetings
with
county
council
meetings
with
when
we
have
our
meetings
with
corporate
through
corporate
equity
inclusion,
roundtable
with
corporations
and
maine?
How
many
people
will
still
be
active
in
trying
to
make
a
difference?
15
years
from
now
20
years
from
now
30
years
now,
let
alone
50
plus
years
from
now,
because
we
need
steadfastness,
we
need
consistency.
C
C
That's
why,
even
though
some
people
did
not
want
me
to
sit
on
the
task
force
for
the
mayors
who
the
hell
is
going
to
sit
at
the
table,
I've
been
doing
this
for
50
plus
years
when
dan
gilman
emailed
me.
I
said
how
could
I
not,
and
if
you
want
stuff
done-
and
this
is
detailed
work-
I
spent
probably
at
least
13
hours
on
the
holiday
weekend
working
on
my
task
force.
My
subcommittee,
I'm
on
three
different
subcommittees.
C
C
C
We
want
to
passion.
We
want
to
protest.
I've
been
at
least
five
or
six
myself
locally
recently,
let
alone
over
the
years,
but
you
need
it
all,
and
you
need
the
consistency
of
the
passion
with
the
detail
to
get
the
work
done
and
an
openness
to
some
level
of
negotiation,
not
to
sell
yourselves
out
of
your
community
out,
but
to
deal
with.
How
do
you
get
a
reality
of
a
base
of
reality
that
produces
a
product.
B
D
B
And
the
the
work
that
I
do,
those
of
you
who
know
me
know
that
I
do
it
out
of
my
commitment
to
christ
that
I
have
this
commitment
to
god's
people.
You
know
and
scripture.
Sometimes
I
worry
not
worry.
B
I
don't
hear
that
sometimes
in
our
current
movements
and
I
think
that
robs
it
of
its
power,
the
real
staying
power
that
tim
wants,
I
believe,
comes
from
this
connection
with
scriptures
and
this
connection
to
a
higher
power,
this
connection
to
moral
and
ethical
leadership,
and
I
think
that
without
that
power,
without
that
foundation,
I
I
worry
a
little
bit,
but
that
what
we're
doing
is
noise
and
energy.
We
won't
have
that
staying
power.
What
do
you
think
chase.
B
I
don't
know
I'm
not
saying
we're
the
pastors
that
in
many
ways
the
movement
doesn't
embrace
our
historic
foundation.
You
know
you're
not
hearing
those
ethical,
moral,
spiritual
principles,
woven
with
activism,
you're
hearing
activism,
but
for
those
of
us
who
who
come
at
it
from
a
spiritual
perspective,
we
don't
hear
those
phrases
coming
from
this
movement
and
I'm
just
I'm
just
suggesting
that,
maybe
not
that
it
is
or
it
isn't.
That
may
be
a
reason
why
our
movement
has
existed
so
long
as
it
was
based
on
those
spiritual
and
moral
principles.
F
No,
I
I
don't
disagree.
What
what
I'm
uncertain
of
is,
as
I
stated
where
the
pastors
are
too,
I
don't
think,
there's
a
barricade,
that's
preventing
them
from
leading
any
marches
from
asking
their
congregates
to
come
out
and
to
to
flood
the
streets
to
to
rally
to
to
protest.
I
I
I
can't
answer
that
that
question
it
also
is,
is
glaring
to
me
that
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
pastors
leaving.
Currently,
I
don't
know
why
that
is,
but
I
I
certainly
would
agree
with
you
that
there
was.
F
I
was
in
the
room,
but
I
was
at
the
table
for
the
kids
and
I
wasn't
necessarily
allowed
to
participate
in
the
grown
folks
conversation
because
I
wasn't
old
enough
or
wise
enough
or
experienced
enough.
I
hadn't
been
through
enough
to
sit
at
the
table
and
and
have
a
discussion
about
why
you
know
pac-pap
is
late
all
the
time
and
my
grandma
can't
friday.
You
know
the
tomatoes
like
she's
supposed
to.
F
I
couldn't
have
those
conversations,
because
their
perception
of
my
youthfulness
was
that
I
was
unprepared
and
I
I
I
don't
I'm
not
suggesting
that
that's
what
this
conversation
is.
I
am
just
cautioning
folks,
both
that
are
on
the
the
panel
and
those
that
are
watching
to
recognize
that
this
generation
they're
not
going
to
wait.
F
They
don't
care
about
our
resumes
they're,
not
interested
in
our
track
records
or
our
egos
or
what
we've
done
if
they
want
to
go,
stand
in
front
of
the
mayor's
house
and
keep
his
neighbors
up
all
night
banging
drums
they're
going
to
stand
in
front
of
the
mayor's
house,
keep
his
neighbors
up
and
bang
drums
now.
Is
that
what
we
would
do?
Maybe
not?
F
Maybe
not
does
it
dilute
the
power
of
the
movement?
Maybe,
but
it's
it
is
their
movement.
It
is
their
time
and
it's
obvious
that
they're
not
going
to
stop
just
because
we
think
that's
the
right
thing
to
do,
or
we
think
that
it's
not
the
right
way
for
them
to
go
about
getting
their
justice
or
having
their
voices
heard.
F
Now.
If
I
could,
because
I
think
that
councilman
lavelle
asked
about
resources,
I
think,
first
and
foremost,
they
need
to
go
to
schools
to
ensuring
that
that
there
is
not.
There
are
not
schools
in
black
communities
or
in
underserved
communities
that
don't
have
the
resources
they
need
to
empower
and
uplift
their
children.
I
I
think
that
jobs
are
critically
important,
both
by
way
of
skills
and
by
way
of
developing
business
owners.
F
I
think
that
how
the
city
and
other
municipalities
in
the
government
cultivate
minority
businesses
through
mwbe
and
diversity,
enterprise
business
support.
I
think
that
percentage
needs
to
go
up
and
I
think
majority
owned
companies
need
to
be
responsible
for
investing
in
minority-owned
companies,
giving
them
the
tools
necessary
to
get
folks
to
work,
to
serve
and
support
their
families
and
to
build
communities
and
then,
lastly,
I
think
communities
are
critically
important
where
people
live,
what
resources
are
in
those
communities?
Do
they
have
good
grocery
stores?
F
Are
the
streets
safe?
Are
their
houses
safe?
Are
they
at
fear
of
being
moved
out
when
it's
time
for
new
development
to
come
in,
we've
got
to
really
create
a
circumstance
where
if
we
talk
about
black
lives
mattering,
if
we
talk
about
black
pittsburgh
mattering,
then
we've
got
to
put
our
money
where
our
mouth
is.
We
got
to
demonstrate
that
we've
got
to
put
those
resources
out
out
and
make
sure
that
folks
have
it.
F
F
Give
it
to
some
black
folks
and
let's
see
what
happens
and
if
they're,
not
if
they,
the
white
folks
that
have
been
getting
this
money
for
a
long
time,
are
going
to
do
right
by
the
black
folks
and
they
need
to
stop
getting.
C
And
I
know
this
is
a
difficult
one,
but
I'm
hoping
that
city
council
and
the
mayor
and
corporate
leadership
whatever
will
really
take
a
look
at
what
we
generically
refer
to
as
gentrification,
because
the
last
few
years
we've
lost
black
population
a
few
years
ago.
We
were
what
27
now
we're
down
to
what
is
about
23
point.
Something
is
that
correct
council
people,
part
of
that,
is
because
black
folks
have
been
moved
out
of
the
city
into
other
poor
neighborhoods
outside
the
city
and
some
of
them.
C
Out
of
the
poor
suburbs
and
or
earth
industry-
and
I
was
involved
in
many
of
the
meetings
on
the
housing
issue
around
east
liberty-
I
don't
know
how
many
meetings
I
went
to
with
with
the
groups
that
were
leading
that
effort.
We
were
there
to
support
and
I
think
it's
a
complicated
issue,
but
black
folks
have
been
living
in
neighborhoods
for
25,
30
or
40
years.
C
Our
city
should
be
made
to
be
healthy,
wealthy
and
wise
for
all
of
us
and
for
our
communities
to
be
able
to
thrive
and
be
healthy
and
be
attracted
to
ourselves
and
to
others.
But
we
need
to
be
able
to
find
a
way
where
we
don't
have
a
re-whitening
of
the
pittsburgh.
The
city
of
pittsburgh,
which
has
already
begun
with
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
police.
D
C
Think
about
that-
and
I
have
said
this
in
city
council-
you
both
of
you
may
have
heard
me
say
this.
I've
said
it
at
least
a
few
times.
That's
why
we
push
for
the
integration,
the
extended
integration
of
the
police
force
and
the
diversity
of
the
police
force.
Often
when
there's
issue
in
homewood
belt,
sewer,
hazelwood,
hilton
street
or
black
pockets,
wherever
it's
almost
like
a
white
invasion
force
coming
in,
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
the
attitude
of
all
the
police
officers
who
happen
to
be
born
white.
They
can't
be,
they
can't
help.
C
They
were
born
white
like
we
can't
help.
We
were
born
black,
but
it's
almost
like
a
white
invasion
going
into
these
black
pockets.
When
there's
something
going
on
that's
touchy
and
emotional
and
that's
a
that's
a
fuel
for
fire,
and
I
tell
white
people-
I
said
this
on
kdk
one
day,
radio
I
said
to
the
white
people
listening
right
now
to
what
I'm
saying
what,
if
in
fox
chapel
or
mount
lebanon
or
whatever
these
main
white
pockets.
C
C
A
So
I'm
going
to
ask
micah
campbell
if
she
would
please
come
on
screen,
because
she's
going
to
present
us
with
a
number
of
questions
that
are
being
presented,
live
as
people
actually
watch
this.
What
I
also
want
to
do
is
just
give
a
quick
plug
to
kimberly
ellis.
She
has
a
sort
of
a
talk
on
facebook
called
black
politics
matters.
A
I
believe
it
was
somewhere
around
the
six
of
this
month
that
she
made
a
post
that
sort
of
eloquently
much
more
than
I
can,
which
is
why
I'm
plugging
hers,
sort
of
gets
at
the
conversation
that
both
rev,
burgess
and
chase
were
having
around
the
historical
way
in
which
protesters
rooted
within
our
traditions
within
our
community
and
why
young
people
now
aren't
necessarily
waiting,
and
I
think
she
sort
of
eloquently
brings
those
two
issues
together.
So
I
would
just
encourage
people
to
check
that
out.
A
I
also
have
a
lot
of
questions
chase
around
education
that
we're
probably
not
gonna,
be
able
to
get
to
tonight.
So
I'm
just
saying
that
hoping
maybe
you'll
join
us
for
another
opportunity,
because
you
mentioned
giving
money
to
the
schools
and
I'm
extremely
concerned
about
how
our
schools
are
performing,
especially
now
in
this
covid.
I
know
a
couple
people
on
your
boards,
I'm
also
familiar
with
what
you
are
doing
and
I
think
it's
encouraging.
A
G
Yes,
our
comment
section
is
on
fire
tonight.
The
first
question
is
for
mr
stevens
from
gabriel
gray
says:
it
is
clear
that
the
bipartisan
democracy
has
not
benefited.
The
african-american
community
does
bpep
support
the
new
african
independence
party
or
an
independent
political
party
that
centers
african-american
interests,
and,
if
not,
then
why.
C
E-Pep
is
set
up
to
be
a
non-partisan
entity.
Our
mission
is
that
african
americans
vote
in
each
and
every
election.
Our
mission
is
that
those
in
political
office
expeditiously
and
effectively
meet
the
needs
aspirations
and
concerns,
regardless
of
what
party
they're
with
or
who
endorses
them.
And
thirdly,
that
african-americans
see
the
connection
of
the
two
we're
voting
in
significant
numbers.
We
can
have
more
impact
on
the
political
process.
That's
what
bpep
represents.
C
C
Eight
pages:
seven
and
a
half
pages
going
back
to
april
15
2019,
where
we
had
a
press
conference
with
community
partners
on
recommendations
to
improve
community
police
relations
and
police
accountability.
This
is
eight
pages
from
one
just
press
conference
of
april
9th
april
15
2019..
One
of
the
things
we
do
is
advocate
issues
about
issues
that
affect
the
african-american
community
locally
and
regionally,
sometimes
statewide
and
sometimes
nationally.
That's
what
we
do.
G
Thank
you.
Next,
we
have
a
few
questions
from
people
about
the
comments
about
the
church.
Some
have
said
that
the
church
used
to
be
the
center
of
the
black
community
and
where
movements
were
created.
Where
are
the
pastors
in
the
movement
today,
and
how
can
we
make
churches
accessible
spaces
for
black
movement.
C
Will
say
a
few
weeks
ago
when
I
was
at
one
of
the
saturday
sessions
the
saturday
session
before
this
one,
my
pastor,
reverend
dale,
snyder
who's,
relatively
new
came
in
from
erie
he's
the
pastor
of
bethel
amy,
church
and
trinity
amy
church
and
I
had
sent
out
a
notice
about
that
particular
saturday
protest
and
he
and
his
wife
came
out
and
we
walked
together,
which
I
was
really
glad
to
see
him
come
out.
But
I
have
to
admit
to
chase's
point.
I
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
ministers
out
in
the
protest.
C
But
the
percentage
of
our
young
black
people
is
certainly
not
nearly
the
same
going
to
church
as
they
used
to
be
back
in
the
50s
and
60s,
and
even
maybe
70s,
certainly
before
that
the
church
population
of
young
people,
I
think,
is
probably
significantly
different
and
that
probably
to
reverence
point
is
why
you
don't
have
a
strong
religious
base
among
the
young
people
leading
the
movement
today,
because
a
good
percentage,
if
not
a
significant
percentage
of
them,
are
not
church
church-based.
I
don't
think
no,
I
may
be
wrong,
so
I.
A
I
have
a
tumblr
real,
quick,
and
I
know
this
isn't
necessary
for
me
and
I'm
gonna.
Let
rev
jump
right
jump.
He
is
the
minister.
I
think
the
critique
is
fair,
that
we
don't
necessarily
see
churches
leading
in
the
same
time
as
which,
as
which
we
once
did.
However,
I
also
don't
want
to
paint
with
a
broad
brush.
There
are
many
ministers
who
are
also
still
very
active
within
our
community
doing
a
lot
of
tremendous
work.
Obviously
I
have
a
colleague
who's
minister
who's,
also
a
politician
and
also
working
on
critical
legislation.
A
A
Of
the
reasons
why
our
homicides
are
at
a
all-time
low,
so
we
actually
have
some
ministers,
while
they
may
not
be
as
overt
as
historically,
they
were
also
rob
rush
to
say
there
aren't
ministers,
absolutely
tremendous
work,
so
good
point.
B
And
I
do
think
that
the
present
movement
has
accentuated
those
people
in
the
black
community
who
perhaps
have
not
felt
empowered
for
leadership
in
the
past,
particularly
women,
gay
and
lesbian
transsexuals,
and
they
have,
I
believe,
been
able
to
lead
in
this
moment.
B
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
that
the
movement
needs
necessarily
the
church
as
an
organization,
but
I
am
going
to
say
that
I
do
think
it
needs
some
of
the
principles
that
both
the
former
movement
and
the
church
stood
on,
which
is
there
are
certain
ethical
and
moral
principles.
If
you're
going
to
follow
gandhi's
method
of
non-violent
resistance,
he
argues
that
it
has
to
be
achieved
through
and
it's
not
christian,
but
it's
spiritual.
B
It
has
to
be
achieved
through
spiritual,
immoral
means,
and
I'm
going
to
at
least
my
two
cent
is
that
that
is
what
I
think
the
new
movement
can
learn
from.
Those
of
us
who
are
involved
over
the
years
and
are
still
involved
now,
is
that
there
all
must
always
be
a
moral
and
ethical
dimension
to
our
outrage
right.
We,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
you,
you
know
if
you
want
to
value
overthrow
america,
good
luck
with
that
right.
They
have
much
more
weapons
bombs,
military
police
than
we
have.
B
A
We
can't
gather
in
that
same
sense
right.
Many
of
our
churches
are
still
shut
down.
We're
not
supposed
to
be
around
people
in
this
manner
which
we
once
were,
and
so
I
think
you
have
a
lot
of
young
people
to
tim's
point
who
also
aren't
necessarily
rooted
in
church.
So
their
mentality
is.
I
don't
have
to
go
to
church
to
organize
to
do
something.
A
I'ma
just
simply
respond
and
I've
also
been
cooped
up
inside
the
house
for
the
last
few
months,
and
I
can't
take
this
any
longer,
and
so
they
just
head
directly
to
the
streets
and
that's
a
very
sort
of
organic
response
that
no
one
else
could
probably
anticipate,
but
it's
needed
yeah.
C
Going
back
to
esther's
point
numerous
minutes
ago
after
you've
near
the
beginning
of
our
conversation,
the
the
cell
phone
and
related
items
has
produced
forever,
almost
a
revolutionary
spirit
in
the
country
that
you
couldn't
you
couldn't
do
I
mean
kids
can
communicate
between
the
social
media
levels
of
social
media
and
their
phone
and
whatever,
whatever
and
end
up
with
a
few
hundred
people
within
a
couple
hours,
whereas
going
back
to
councilman
level
back
in
the
day,
maybe
the
the
church
leaders
would
call
people
together
and
go
into
the
planning,
whatever
whatever
may
take
a
couple
few
weeks
to
do
whatever
now
boom
and
that's
a
whole
different
and
the
other
thing
is.
C
It
creates
a-
and
I
mentioned
this
earlier-
a
different
level
of
leadership,
more
of
a
more
of
a
distributed
level
of
leadership
and
there's
something
to
say
for
that.
Actually
so
people,
I
think
in
many
ways,
feel
more
empowered
now
than
maybe
they
did
decades
ago,
because
they
say
I
think,
boom
boom.
I
can
start
something
because
I
say
so
and
I
can
pick
up
my
phone.
I
can
go
to
my
social
media
and
go
to
my
facebook
and
boom
boom.
C
One
of
the
protests
that
I
set
in
on
was
in
front
of
it
was
several
weeks
ago
now,
maybe
a
couple
months
or
so
it
was
a
couple
months.
Maybe
three
months
ago,
in
front
of
target,
I
had
been
another
one.
Then
then
I
was
driving
by
and
I
had
to
go
to
walgreens
or
something,
and
I
saw
some
young
people
standing
out
front
of
target.
They
had
some
signs
and
after
I
went
to
walgreens,
I
went
and
parked
in
target
and
I
came
out
and
talked
to
the
young.
C
They
were
all
like
teenagers
in
very,
very
early
twenties
and
the
young
man
who
who
initiated
that
I
decided.
Oh,
it
was
after
the
first
saturday
session
of
the
march
in
protest
that
ended
up
in
in
the
the
first
violence
where
the
couple
cars
were
burned.
Police
cars
remember
that
that
was
in
the
very
early
stages,
and
he
said
I
was
committed
to
have
an
anti-violence
protest
and
he
and
his
friend
got
on
their
social
media
and
they
pulled
together,
maybe
about
40
or
50
people.
C
D
D
A
G
B
Sure,
because
of
the
kovic
19
pandemic,
we've
not
been
able
to
have
a
town
hall
meetings.
That's
why
we're
on
this
platform
now
weekly,
that
we
can
get
messages
out
to
our
constituents,
and
so
we
always
want
to
have
ongoing
conversation
with
our
constituents
about
legislation
which
is
again
why
we
partner
to
create
this
forum.
A
And
I
would
also
just
add
for
anyone
who
is
interested
in
working
with
us
on
the
various
initiatives
that
we
have
started
on
to
please
email,
either
myself
or
emergency's
office.
We
want
this
to
be
as
inclusive
as
possible.
A
We've
created
a
commission
on
racial
equity
that
we
want
to
have
as
many
participants
as
possible,
and
we
would
just
ask
that
you
send
us
your
information
and
we
will
absolutely
get
you
plugged
in
with
that
being
said,
we
have
run
out
of
time
for
today's
show,
and
I
do
want
to
thank
everyone
for
being
here
with
us
today.
It
was,
I
truly
appreciate
it.
F
Yeah,
I
I
just
may
I
before
you
rap,
I'm
sorry
I
I
I
want
to
be
very
deliberate
in
making
sure
that
folks
understand
that,
when
you
are
seeing
looting
in
rioting
that
that
is
not
the
movement,
let's
be
clear.
That
is
not
the
movement.
People
leverage
chaos,
the
white
supremacy
system
is
unyielding.
F
C
Actually,
to
that
point,
if
I
may,
in
wisconsin,
when
the
marches
were
passionate
but
peaceful,
the
support
for
black
lives
matter
was,
I
think,
59
percent
in
favor
and
wisconsin
is
primarily
a
white
state
and,
after
a
lot
of
those
protests,
begin
to
end
in
violence.
The
support
went
51
against
and
we
can
be
passionate.
We
also
have
to
be
conscious.
Enough
of
the
goal
is
to
win
new
partners
to
our
cause.
C
Not
to
push
people
away,
however,
I
do
believe
that
there
is
some
white
activist
and
anarchist
anarchist
who
purposely
got
into
some
of
these
protests
to
disrupt
and
disgrace.
The
protest
and
move
the
minds
of
america
away
from
the
george
floyd
moment
that
caught
all
of
america
and
hurt
our
hearts,
including
white
peoples
whose
hearts
were
never
heard
before.
B
One
of
the
reason
that
councilman
laville
and
I
passed
this
black
pittsburgh
marriage
legislation
is
that
we
believe
the
movement
is
bigger
than
just
this
moment
right.
It
has
to
be
not
just
protecting
black
lives,
which
is
black
lives
matter,
but
also
rebuilding
black
communities
and
rebuilding
black
wealth
and
employment
and
entrepreneurship.
So
we're
going
to
continue
this
conversation
and
I
believe
we're
at
that
moment.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
history
will
judge
us
not
by
our
protests.
B
C
C
A
Agree-
and
I
want
to
thank
you
tim
for
that
remark-
I
think
that's
the
appropriate
place
to
end.
Thank
you
chase
for
the
clarification
that
you
provided
very
well
said
with
that.
I
do
want
to
thank
all
our
guests
for
being
here
with
us
this
evening.
A
I
want
to
thank
mr
tim
stevens
of
the
black
political
empowerment
project,
miss
esther
bush
of
the
urban
league,
mr
richard
stewart
of
the
naatp
and,
of
course
mr
chase
patterson,
the
ceo
of
the
urban
academy,
in
order
to
achieve
all
of
what
you
all
suggested,
it's
going
to
take
all
of
us
collectively,
working
together
to
ensure
that
our
communities
are
safe
and
peaceful,
to
ensure
that
our
communities
are
built
back
up
and
specifically
that
they're
built
back
up
by
black
people
for
black
people
in
accordance
with
our
partners
and
atlas.
So
thank
you
all.
B
I
want
to
thank
all
of
our
residents
and
people
who
are
watching
and
participating
in
this
town
hall
meeting
for
your
questions.
Remember
you
can
watch
this
town
hall
meeting
on
facebook,
the
city's
youtube
channel
or
the
city's
cable
channel.
A
new
meeting
occurs
every
wednesday
by
working
together,
united
in
purpose.