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Description
On this episode of CityTalk, John interviews Dan Buczynski from the Department of Mobility & Infrastructure and Smyth Welton from the Department of Innovation & Performance.
A
A
B
A
B
I'm
a
signed
painter,
even
though
I've
never
picked
up
a
paint
brush.
I
take
that
back.
I
did.
I
did
pick
up
paintbrush
once
to
do
something
in
hazelwood,
but
it
was
one
project
over
almost
13
years.
B
Yeah
there
was
a
crosswalk
connector
over
by
the
mural
elizabeth
street.
I
think
it
is
a
little
parklet.
I
did
like
a
painted
like
a
looks
like
a
game
piece,
so.
A
B
No,
no,
I
I
didn't
then,
and
still
probably,
don't
know
what
I
want
to
do
when
I
grow
up,
but
my
dad
worked
in
the
sign
shop
for
30
years,
so
we
had
a
little
bit
of
overlap
where
we
had
like
a
father
and
son
duo
working,
you
know
making
every
sign
of
the
city.
A
How
about
that
visit
him
when
you
were
little,
and
did
you
think
one
day
this
might
be
my
job.
B
I
did
visit
him
not
only
when
I
was
little
but
I
used
to
I
used
to
work
for
a
software
company
down
on
railroad
street
and
so
at
lunch
time
I
would
just
walk
around
taking
photos
and
tons
of
times.
I
would
end
up
in
the
building,
saying
hi
and
taking
photos
of
all
the
signs
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
I
was
in
and
around
the
sign
shop.
Well
before
I
started
working
for
the
city
so.
B
Oh
yeah,
this
is
just
I
painted
my
background.
No
that's
just
a
virtual
background.
Yeah
I
had
to
come
home
because
I
don't
have
a
webcam
at
work
so.
A
But
how
did
well
you
involved
in
it,
because
your
dad
was
doing
it
and
he
worked
for
there
for
30
years,
holy
cow,
that's
quite
a
legacy
between
the
two
yeah.
B
Yeah
he
well,
he
he
would
ask
me.
Oh
man,
well,
I've
been
there.
I
started
in
0-9,
so
probably
in
like
0-5,
he
started
asking
me
like.
Would
you
want
to
come
down
and
work
there,
and
at
the
time
I
was
just
starting
to
look
like
I'm
all
self-taught
as
far
as
graphic
design
goes,
so
I
was
learning
a
lot
where
I
was
and
I
was
like.
I
don't
really
want
to
stop
working
here.
B
B
Yeah
for
a
long
time,
I
was,
I
had
a
lot
of
hats
there
too,
but
yeah.
So
I
I
did
web
design.
I
did
you
know
just
a
lot
of
computer
graphics
for
a
software
company,
cubicles
and
yeah.
B
It
I
it's
a
lot
more
creative
than
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be
like
when
I
took
the
job
I
kind
of
took
it
because
I
was
like
well,
you
know
the
graphics
industry
is
really
competitive.
It's
really
cutthroat.
It's
really.
You
know
you
could.
C
B
In
one
day
and
your
co-worker
was
just
gone
like
you
had
a
10
o'clock
meeting
with
somebody,
and
then
they
were
just
let
go,
and
so
the
city
seemed
like
well,
it
might
not
be
as
creative,
it
might
not
be
as
challenging,
but
at
least
it's
as
steady
as
you
could
hope
for
and
then
once
I
got
there,
I
started
finding
avenues
that
I
could
take.
B
That
would
allow
me
to
get
a
little
bit
more
creative
and
the
longer
it
went
the
more
work
I
did,
the
more
freedom
I
got,
the
more
I
got
to
experiment,
and
I
actually
I
can
be
pretty
pretty
creative,
like
it's.
It's
a
good
mix
of
like
having
creative
stuff
to
do
and
then
like
when
you're
doing
street
signs
it's
just
kind
of
like
throw
the
headphones
on.
Listen
to
podcasts
and
just
you
know
let
the
muscle
memory
take
over
so.
B
Well,
the
mayor,
the
way
that
I
remember
it
is
that
the
mayor
had
been
to
braddock
and
braddock
had
a
series
of
signs
that,
were
they
weren't,
like
the
ones
that
we
came
up
with,
were
they
were
more
resembling
regular
street
signs.
The
ones
in
braddock
were
were
just
like
metal
signs,
but
they
were
just
kind
of
like
positive
messages.
I
can't
remember
now
off
hand,
but
the
mayor
said
well
like
I
like
that.
Can
we
do
something
in
that
spirit?
B
And
so
I
came
up
with,
I
think,
like
four
or
five,
and
then
the
mayor
picked
the
two
that
he
liked
the
best
which
was
the
no
hate
zone
and
the
kindness
zone,
but
I
believe
he.
B
B
I
grew
up
in
beach
view
from
the
time
I
was
two
the
time
I
was
in
my
early
20s
and
then
I
just
kind
of
bounced
around
the
south
hills
and
I've
landed
in
overbrook.
So
I've
been
here
for
almost
the
exact
amount
of
time.
I've
been
with
the
city
and.
B
Exactly
not
worth
the
paper
it's
printed
on.
I
did
like
I
liked
college
I
liked
going
and
I
liked
learning
but
yeah.
I
all
self-taught
like
when
I
graduated
college,
I
literally
didn't
know
how
to
use
windows
like
I
in
college,
I
used
the
word
processor,
that
was
it
you're
talking.
B
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
like
when
I
got
the
my
first
job
like
corp,
like
in
that
corporate
environment.
My
friend
worked
there
and
he's
like
just
say
that
you
know
excel
and
work
like
everybody
knows
that
nobody's
gonna
ever
question.
B
It
just
say
that
you
know
it
it'll
help
you
it's
the
only
time
I
ever
lied
on
a
on
a
resume
and
wouldn't
you
know
they
had
a
skills
test
for
for
excel
in
the,
and
I
was
like
oh
dude,
I
hate
you
so
I
got
by
by
the
skin
of
my
teeth,
but
it
was
the
last
time
I'd
ever
say.
I
know
something
that
I
didn't
did.
B
I
I
really
didn't
put
a
lot
of
thought
into
it.
Actually,
I
I,
when
I
started
at
pitt,
I
went
to
pitt
because
they
had
a
good
program
going
with
the
filmmakers
pittsburgh
filmmakers
and
in
my
head
I
was
going
to
be
a
photojournalist
or
you
know
I
was
going
to
work
for
national
geographic,
some
kind
of
photography
I
got
talked
into.
I
took
a
creative
writing
class
and
the
professor
was
just
kind
of
like.
B
Would
you
ever
consider
being
a
writer,
and
I
was
like
you're
saying
I'm
good
at
this
and
he's
like
yeah?
I
was
like
all
right.
Sorry,
that's
as
much
thought,
as
I
put
into
it
switch
course,
was
going
to
be
a
writer
and
then
there
was
a.
We
had
a
senior
seminar
in
fiction
where
they
said:
okay,
the
last
class
we're
going
to
go
over
like
really
good
jobs
for
writers
to
have
and
blah
blah
so
like
after
you're
graduating
we're
going
to
cover.
Where
do
you
go
from
here?
I'll,
never
forget.
B
They
were
like,
like
doing
landscaping,
really
lets
you
like
you're
out
and
you're
thinking,
house
painting
and
I'm
like
wait
a
minute
like
I
could
have
done
that
without
coming
here
like
so
it
was
kind
of
like
I
did
a
little
bit
of
editing
for
a
really
small
company
called.
B
It
was
lee
shore
agency
in
melville,
so
I
would
get
these
manuscripts
like
novels
and
novellas
and,
like
literally,
I
think
I
got
five
dollars.
No,
it
was
five
dollars
for
a
short
story
and
maybe
seven
dollars
for
a
novel.
I
can't
remember,
but
I
would
spend
more
money
drinking
coffee
reading
these
things
and
you
know
making
all
my
notes
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
then
I
would
make
so
that
that
went
nowhere
fast.
A
Are
you
a
big
fan
of
the
song
signs
by
the
five-man
electrical
band.
B
A
Okay,
fair
enough:
how
have
you
been
getting
through
covet.
B
Well,
for
the
longest
time
I
went
to
work-
and
I
went
straight
home-
work-
homework
repeat
repeat,
repeat
to
the
store
was
like
a
military.
B
You
know
mission
every
time
I
went
in
then
started
going
to
outdoor
stuff
and
felt
a
little
bit
more
comfortable
felt
like
I
knew
how
to
get
by,
but
you
know
mostly
just
hanging
out
with
my
dogs.
That's
been
the
bulk
of
my
life
for
the
last.
What
18
months?
Oh.
A
B
Amazing
yeah
yeah
two
two
beagle
mixers.
B
A
Yeah
I'm
going
nowhere
fast,
but
not
necessarily
by
design.
So
do
you
have
any
hobbies.
B
Yeah,
I
have
lots
of
hobbies.
I
like
to
I
ride
my
bike.
Constantly
both
streets
trails,
mountain
biking,
any
any.
A
A
B
B
Yeah
and
worse
than
just
obstructed
is
when,
like
especially
down
near
the
hotels,
the
trucks
will
just
sit
there
and
like
in
the
winter
in
particular.
B
You'll
have
to
go
around
them,
so
you're
now
going
in
opposing
traffic
to
get
around
these
trucks,
and
so
it
got
to
the
point
where
I
I
go
around
like
when,
when
it's
not
icy,
I
will
go
around
the
point
this,
but
now
that
that
switchback
opened
up
off
the
smithfield
street
bridge.
That
was
a
lifesaver,
so
now
nine
times
out
of
ten,
unless
the
mon
wharf
is
flooded
or
there's
ice,
I'll
go
down
that
switch
back
around
the
point
and
come
in
like
I
just
avoid
going
through
town
all
together,
but
yeah.
A
And
your
office
is
in
the
strip
district.
Is
that
one
of
your
favorite
pittsburgh
neighborhoods.
B
I
really
I've
worked
most
of
my
adult
life
in
the
strip
district,
so
it's
almost
like
my
second
home
at
this
point
so
yeah,
and
it's
insane,
like
friends
of
mine,
that
I
used
to
work
with
at
the
software
company
they've
all
since
left
pittsburgh,
and
so
they
haven't
seen
the
strip
district
since
the
quark
factory
was
abandoned
and
so
like
way
back
0.7808
whenever
they
fixed
that,
I
would
send
them
pictures
like.
Can
you
believe
this
like
this
is
what
this
looks
like
now
and
then
every
once
in
a
while
they'll.
B
A
B
B
Yeah
I
mean
my
my
experience
is
kind
of
different
than
most
jobs.
I
would
think
because
I'm
I'm
like
I
work
with
a
lot
of
people,
but
I'm
also
able
to
be
isolated.
So,
like
my
my
experience
isn't
like
a
lot
of
people
who
are
interacting
with
the
public
a
lot
and
everything
like
that,
but
yeah.
B
Well,
it's
it's
almost
at
this
point.
It's
almost
two
side
shots
so
like
there's
the
computer
room
and
like
like
so
there's,
there's
one
room
that
has
like
the
computers
and
vinyl
cutters
and
a
vinyl
printer
and
these
big
work
tables,
and
that's
where
most
of
my
work
happens
now
like
when
I
first
started:
there's
a
there's:
a
silk
screening
operation
in
another
room,
that's
essentially
a
second
sign
shop,
and
so
with
covet
and
social
distancing
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
B
My
co-worker
greg
and
I
kind
of
worked
out
where
he
he'll
take
care
of
like
so
when
we
make
stop
signs
like
like
300,
stop
signs
we'll
make
300.
You
know
all
like
huge
quantities
of
like
all
those
signs
that
go
out
in
mass,
so
he
he
generally
handles
that
whole
part
of
it.
What
I
do
mostly
these
days
is
like
the
one-off
signs
and
the
specialty
signs
so
like
I
I
do
most
of
the
street
name
blades.
B
Yeah
there's
a
couple
like
one
of
the
really
fun
ones:
everybody
in
pittsburgh.
If
they
don't
know,
gus
and
yaya
should
know
gus
and
yaya
is
the
shaved
ice.
So
when
they
started
doing
work
on
that
bridge
and
closed
that
bridge,
his
business
was
suffering
and
because
it's
a
pittsburgh
institution
we
we
I
got
to
like.
I
got
the
dr
like
make
vector
art
of
his
cart
like
so
I
drew
his
cart
and
then
we
made
these
fun
signs
to
kind
of
direct
people
to
let
them
know
that
he's
still
there.
B
Yeah
yeah
the
like
things
like
that,
but
so
that
was
a
lot
of
fun
and
the
canton
avenue
and
beach
view
is
the
steepest
street
in
the
continental
united
states,
so
congressman
coghill
wanted
to
do
something
to
like
some
kind
of
a
marker.
So
I
got
to
he's
like
do
you
know
anything
about
canton
avenue,
I'm
like
I
grew
up
in
vichy.
I
know
all
about
canada.
B
A
B
A
A
Welcome
back
to
city
talk,
say
hello
to
smith,
welton,
owner
on
the
office
of
the
innovation
and
performance
mini
smitty.
Welcome
to
the
program.
A
But
you,
like
all
of
us,
did
a
lot
of
working
from
home
until
it
was
safe
to
come
back.
I
assume.
A
So
tell
us
what
your
title
is
and
what
all
you
do.
A
C
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
on
the
front
lines
of
that,
because
not
only
am
I
a
manager,
I'm
also
a
front-end
developer,
basically
for
the
city,
so
I
juggled
both
of
those.
C
I
was
a
freelance
web
designer
and
multimedia
designer
for
several
years
beforehand.
A
What's,
as
we
turn
more
to
computers
every
day
for
everything
we
need,
I
guess
the
demand
has
been
growing.
I
assume
for
a
while.
C
Oh
yeah,
that's
the
main
stream
of
communication
practically
so
it's
in
very
high
demand.
C
Yeah,
actually,
I'm
self-taught
to
be
to
begin
with
and
then
and
then
later
on.
I
decided
to
get
some.
You
know
degrees
in
it
to
be
able
to
land
a
job.
A
So
I've
asked
the
people
this
question
before.
Whenever
the
other
kids
were
saying,
when
I
grow
up,
I'm
going
to
be
a
fireman
and
I'm
going
to
be
a
policeman,
I'm
going
to
be
a
baseball
player.
Were
you
did
you
know
you're
going
to
be
a
web
designer
or
was
that
the
furthest?
You
didn't
even
know
what
that
was?
Maybe.
C
Well,
yeah,
I
didn't
know,
I
was
going
to
be
an
emergency
medical
technician.
First
and
then
I
didn't
know
I
was
going
to
be
a
web
designer.
C
It
was,
it
was
pretty
hard,
it
was.
I
did
for
15
years
wow
I
did.
I
did
web
design
and
computer
work
on
the
side.
C
Oh
yeah,
the
most
awkward
people
are
always
in
the
most
awkward
positions.
It's
never
like
a
textbook
textbook
scenario.
You
know
getting
someone
out
of
the
house
and
over
the
years
it
started
taking
its
toll
on
my
body.
So
it
was
time
to
move
on
you.
A
C
My
heart
and
soul
was
into
computer
and
graphic
design
digital
art,
so
it
only
made
sense
for
me
to
retire
from
ems
and
take
on
you
know
the
computer
full-time.
C
A
Where
did
you
grow
up
vision
square?
Oh
awesome,
yeah,
a
lot
of
eating
at
the
square
cafe
when
it
was
located
there,
even
though
it's.
A
Oh,
it
wasn't
fancy
more
rough
and
tumble.
C
Yeah
pizza
shops
and
dive
bars,
okay,.
C
Yeah
it
did.
The
pizza
shop
always
had
like
the
the
newest
arcade
games
in
it.
So
you
know
that's
where
we
go,
because
you
know
this
was
even
before
atari.
C
A
Awesome
and
that
also
so,
I
suppose,
furthered
your
interest
in
computers.
C
C
Drawing
illustration,
even
some
sculpting
with
clay,
I
liked
all
that
stuff.
When
I
was
a
kid.
A
All
right
and
how
have
you
been
coping
with
covet,
even
though
we're
I
thought
we
were
out
of
it,
but
then
we're
not
so
it's
sort
of
here,
but
it's
not
as
bad
or
but
maybe
it's
getting
worse.
As
you
know,
how
have
you
been
dealing
with
that.
C
I
guess
the
same
as
everybody
else
and
when
you
have
a
companion,
though
it's
I
think
it's
easier
for
people
than
you
know,
people
who
are
alone
and
it's
much
tougher
on
them.
But
when
you
live
with
somebody,
it's
easier
to
get
through.
A
Thrived
during
the
the
covid
when
they
had
to
spend
a
lot
more
together,
but
some
people
got
on
each
other's
nerves.
Where
did
you
guys
fall
in
that
category?.