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From YouTube: CityTalk with John McIntire: Victoria Butch
Description
On this episode of CityTalk, John interviews Victoria Butch from the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police.
A
A
Welcome
to
city
talk
the
program
where
we
try
to
figure
out
what
all
these
people
are
doing
and
by
all
these
people
I
mean
all
these
people
who
work
for
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
including
officer
victoria
bush,
she's,
a
community
resource
officer
officer,
vicki,
welcome
to
night
talk,
I'm
sorry.
Welcome
to
city
talk.
A
It's
a
show
I
used
to
do
a
long
time
ago,
so
so
good
to
have
you
I
I
you're
working
from
home
today.
I
assume.
A
So
what
is
a
community
resource
officer?
Tell
us
about
your
job.
B
So
a
community
resource
officer
works
as
a
liaison
between
the
police
and
the
community,
and
I
I
had
worked
for
parks
and
recreation
for
18
years
before
I
became
a
police
officer,
and
I
did
much
of
that
same
work
with
the
community
there.
You
know
act
as
a
liaison
between
the
community
and
the
city.
For
you
know,
certain
needs
concerns
all
that
good
stuff.
We
go
to
community
meetings,
we
give
them
crime
stats,
we
take
their
concerns
back
to
like
say
the
commander
of
zone.
B
Absolutely
I
feel
like
if
you
know
the
police
officer,
that's
in
your
community,
the
police
officers,
not
just
one
you're,
more
likely
to
go
to
them
for
trouble
or
something
that's
bothering
them
something.
Maybe
information
crime
tips
that
they
have
that
maybe
they're
a
little
apprehensive
about
giving
to
just
anybody
else.
But
if
they
know
you
and
have
a
relationship
with
you,
then
they
feel
more
comfortable.
When
coming
with
you
and
sharing
those
things
with
you
and
trusting,
you
and
trust
goes
a
big
way
in
our
community
right
now.
A
B
One
of
the
things
that
we
deal
with
that
is
hard
is
that
if
something
happens
nationwide
you
know
police
officers.
You
know
in,
and
I
will
say
there
are
bad
police
there's
bad
in
every
field.
You
know
you
have
good
doctors,
you
have
bad
doctors,
you
have
good
teachers,
bad
teachers,
but
when
something
happens
nationwide
we
feel
the
impact
of
it.
You
know
we
we
are
that
face.
So
then
it's
it's
like
starting
back
at
square
one.
B
Okay,
somebody
did
something
that
they
shouldn't
have
done
and
and
then
we
we
got
to
start
back
building
those
relationships
and
letting
them
know
that
we're
not
like
that.
You,
you
don't
have
that
experience
with
us.
You
know,
give
us
a
fair
chance.
I
always
say
when
I
go
to
a
call,
and
somebody
says
you
know,
I
don't
trust
the
police
and
I
say,
have
you
ever
dealt
with
me
before
and
usually
they
say
no
and
I
said
well
then
give
me
a
chance.
Let
me
let
me
see
if
you
know
I
can
help.
B
A
B
I
I
think
it
can
in
certain
certain
situations
I
do
believe
it
can
be.
I
I
think
it
can
be
a
common
effect.
B
You
know
like
as
if
some
and
it
depends
depends
what
situation
is
now
if
you're
you're
in
a
domestic
situation-
and
it
it
is-
is
the
typical
domestic,
where
it's
a
male
against
the
female,
because
they're,
not
all
that
and
the
man
doesn't
have
respect
for
a
woman
to
begin
with
you're
not
going
to
be
the
the
person
that
comes
in
and
sues
it
all
normally
now,
if
it's
somebody
that
respects
like
their
mother
or
their
grandmother
or
raised
by
a
you,
know
their
grandmother,
then
they
seem
to
tend
to
respond
to
a
woman
a
little
differently.
B
So
then
you
can
be
that
common
factor
like
you
know
you
calm,
it
calm
the
situation
down.
You
know
it.
It
really
does
depend.
I
do
think
more
than
not
we
we
do
have
that
ability
to
comment.
A
I'm
brook
speaking
to
you
from
the
north
side
as
we
speak:
okay,
my
my
crummy
little
apartment,
and
how
was
that
growing
up
on
the
in
the
north
side
in
the
area
in
which
you
grew
up.
B
You
know
I
think
growing
up.
I
was
always
very
ashamed
because
we
were
poor
and
you
know
I
went
to
catholic
school
for
grade
school
and
high
school
and
you
know
you're
around
a
lot
of
people
with
different
backgrounds.
B
So
I
I
tended
to
be
a
little
ashamed
of
how
I
grew
up
then,
but
now
I'm
so
happy
that
I
grew
up
the
way
I
am.
I
think
I
I
respect
people
a
lot
more.
I
I
see
things
from
a
different
point
of
view
that
I
think
helps
with
what
I
do
for
a
living.
So
so
I'm
thankful
for
it.
I'm
thankful
for
the
struggles,
I'm
thankful
for
what
I
grew
up
around.
I'm
thankful
that
I
grew
up
around.
B
You
know
people
that
didn't
make
it
out
and
that
just
shows
how
strong
of
a
person
you
can
be
that
you
know
when
I
go
on
a
call
and
somebody
says:
well,
you
don't
understand
how
I
grew
up.
No,
I
I
do
actually
understand
how
you
grew
up
and
everybody
has
a
choice
of
making
a
difference
and
changing
your
life
path.
B
I
did
so
while
I
was
going
through
school.
I
went
to
laroche
for
a
year
and
then
I
went
to
chatham
university
and
I
you
know
I
was
working
for
parks
and
rec.
While
I
was
going
through
school
and
I
I
loved
it
so
much.
I
was
pre-med
actually
for
school.
Oh.
B
Yes,
yeah:
what.
B
Money,
you
know
what
it
was
just.
It
was
really
expensive
to
continue
to
go
on
and
being
around
the
kids.
I
knew
I
just
I
love
being
around
the
kids
and
making
a
difference.
You
know
in
parks
and
recreation,
you
know
you
actually
wear
more
than
one
hat
you're
wearing
about
10,
different
hats,
and
I
and
I
will
always
give
those
guys
a
shout
out
when
I
can,
because
you
know
their
counselors,
are
you
know
they
feeling
as
parents
their
friends
their
teachers?
Are
you
know
everything
they
they
they
wear.
A
Yeah
and
they
run
the
senior
centers,
as
you
know,
which
allow
for
a
lot
of
bonding
and
good
community
meetings
for
various
members
of
the
community,
who
are
obviously
seniors
so
yeah.
They
do
wear
many
hats.
I
work
that
my
first
job
was
for
parks
and
rec.
Here
before
I
switched
over
to
the
department
of
innovation
and
performance,
did
you
at
what
point
did
you
think
you
know
what
I
really
like
parks
and
rec?
A
B
I
think
always
in
the
back
of
my
head,
you
know
I
had
experience
with
police
when
I
was
a
child
and
without
getting
into
so
much
detail.
But
you
know
it
was
a
scary
situation
when
the
police
came.
I
just
was
so
happy
and
I
wasn't
scared
for
the
first
time
in
a
long
time.
So
you
know
that
was
always
in
the
back
of
my
head.
I
don't
want
any
kid
to
ever
feel
that
way.
So
I
know
I
tend
on
on
a
call.
B
If
there's
kids
involved,
I
go
right
to
the
kids
and
make
sure
that
they're,
okay,
you
know,
because
you
know
our
kids,
you
don't
want
them
to
be
afraid
either
way.
Afraid
of
us
are
afraid
of.
What's
going
on,
you
want
them
to
know
that
their
help
somewhere
so
and
whenever
the
police
came,
it
was
six
females,
all
female
bunch.
It
was
right
when
they
did
the
big
hiring
for
women,
and
so
we
had
six
women
come
in
and
they
were
tough
as
nails.
So
that
was
very,
you
know.
A
That's
interesting,
you
know,
as
you
know,
when
they
talk
about
the
so-called
reform
of
police
departments,
they
say
well,
maybe
we
shouldn't
send
officers
to
all
the
domestics
or
social
situations.
Maybe
we
should
send
a
counselor
of
some
sort.
It
sounds
like
you,
you.
You
often
act
in
that
role
right
now.
A
B
Right
and
I
think
most
officers
do
it's
just
you
know
everything
we
do
is
in
a
split
second.
For
the
most
part,
we
don't
have
that
time
to
sit
down
and
talk
and-
and
you
know.
B
Exactly
so
so
it
does,
it
is
difficult
in
that
sense
that
we
don't
have
the
time
to
do
that
and
I
get
where
people
are
coming
from
where
they
say
about
sending
social
workers
in,
and
I
believe
in
certain
situations
that
could
be
good
or
the
after
thought.
Sometimes
somebody
needs
to
be
arrested
for
that.
You
know
that
thing
to
be
taken
care
of,
but
that
has
to
stop
at
that
point
and
then
we
come
in
with
all
these
other
resources.
You.
A
B
I've
arrested
a
lot
of
people
that
have
mental
health
issues
only
because
at
the
time
there
was
no
there's
no
talking
and
like
you
said,
we
don't
get
that
we
can't
have
a
diagnosis
session,
but
afterwards
you
know
knowing
that
they
had
issues.
Then
we
go
through
mental
health
court
in
in
that,
and
then
you
know
their
their
the
penalties
and
all
that
stuff
isn't
as
high
at
all.
If
they
do
what
they're
supposed
to
do,
it
actually
gets
wiped
away.
So
we
do
take
that
into
consideration.
B
A
And
what
do
you
think
of
the
young
people
joining
the
force
today?
Do
you
notice
any
difference
between
your
errors
generation
and
the
current
one.
B
Yes,
you
know
our
young
guys
are
very
enthusiastic
and
they
want
to
get
out
there
and
they
do
want
to
make
a
change.
The
one
thing,
though,
that
drives
me
absolutely
crazy,
is
we
are
such
a
you
know
a
community
of
texting
and-
and
you
know
they
don't
ever
talk
face
to
face,
so
I
think
we're
lacking
in
that,
and
I
think
that's
where
the
community
aspect
of
it
fails
on
that
end,
because
you
know
these
young
officers
are
coming
out
and
they
don't
know
how
to
carry
a
conversation.
B
You
know
they're
used
to
just
texting
and
stuff
and-
and
I
think
that's
something-
we've
definitely
got
to
work
on.
I
know
you
know
the
chief
and
I
had
many
conversations
on
this
about
like
getting
even
the
young
guys
out
there
doing
some
of
the
parking
walks
that
we're
doing
as
community
resource
officers.
It's
invaluable
talking
with
people
and
hearing
them
and
and
carrying
a
conversation.
A
B
Yeah
and
not
all-
and
I
hate
to
be
like
that-
you
know
I'm
the
nagging
older
lady
on
the
job
now,
but
my
son's
probably
cringing
listening
to
the
conversation,
but
you
know
I
just
think
in
general
and
if
it
was
something
that
I
needed
to
work
well,
I
need
to
work
on
all
the
tech
stuff.
You
know
all
the
new
tech
stuff
that
I
don't
use
there
there
you
go
that
that
that
would
help
me
be
a
better
officer
for
that
kind
of
stuff.
B
A
B
Well,
not
if
they,
if
it's
something
they
send
you
to
you
just
get
picked
and
you
send,
although
they
do
usually
go
by
seniority.
So
I
I
have
I'm
up
there
a
little
bit
now
but
like
all
hands
on
deck
stuff.
You
know
no.
B
B
Like
the
jewish
federation,
we'll
do
like
weddings
for
them
or
bar
mitzvahs
and
stuff,
like
that,
we'll
do
that
kind
of
stuff
which
you
know
I
love
working
with
the
jewish
community.
I
never
have
any
issues
and
they're
just
wonderful
people,
so
it's
always
good
to
do
that.
We'll
do
zoo
details.
We
have
that
kind
of
stuff
yeah.
B
No,
I
I
moved
to
greenfield.
That
was
actually
my
first
like
full-time
recreation.
Job
was
at
the
mcgee
recreation
center
and
I
met
my
my
ex-husband
there
and
he
lived.
He
grew
up
in
greenfield,
so
we
moved
to
greenfield
and
I
stayed
and
still
best
friends
with
my
ex-husband.
So
no.
B
You
know
what
I
think
you
know
as
essential
workers.
I
don't
think
we
have
seen
it
as
or
felt
it
as
bad
as
others,
because
we're
out
there
we
still
get
to
communicate
and
you
still
get
that
adult
one-on-one
conversation
in
person
not
on
text
or
so
I
don't
think
I
felt
it
as
bad.
Oh,
my
my
son,
I
feel
bad
for
him.
You
know
the
sports
that
you
know
went
downhill
from
there.
B
He's
17
now:
okay,
he's
a
junior,
so
you
know
he
doesn't
get
to
see
his
friends
as
much.
So
that's
that's
hard,
but
I
I
don't
think
it's
been,
I'm
not
I'm
not
such
even
though
I
do
a
lot
with
people
and
I
work
parks
and
recreation.
I'm
not
a
people
league
kind
of
person,
I
actually
love
being
home
or
doing
you
know
I
I
can't
I
kayak
that
kind
of
stuff.
I'm
I
like
that.
You
know
one-on-one
retreat
stuff.
B
So
so
I
actually
don't
mind
the
whole
not
seeing
a
whole
bunch
of
people.
B
B
Yes,
he
is
absolutely
his
school
has
actually
been
in
for
for
pretty
much
the
whole
time,
but
he
broke
his
leg,
pretty
bad,
so
he's
been
off
at
home.
So
I'm
sorry.
B
B
Yeah,
first
time
skiing
he
didn't
wait
for
mom
because
that's
not
cool
to
go
with
mom,
so
he
went
with
his
friends
and
he
went
down
a
hill
with
the
moguls
for
his
like
second
time
down
the
hill.
B
A
I
went
on
a
school
skiing
trip
when
I
was
16
and
I
just
mastered
the
baby
slope
and
then
a
friend
who
thought
it
was
being
funny
brought
me
to
the
most
advanced
slope
and
I
did
a
somersault
and
broke
the
ski
and
hobbled
away,
and
it
was
my
last
time
skiing.
So
I
feel
your
pain
yeah.
Oh,
would
you
recommend
a
career
in
law
enforcement
to
the
average
human
out
there,
or
maybe
the
above
average
human?
I
don't
know.
B
I
don't
know
so
I
always
put
it
in
terms
of
what
would
I
tell
my
son
to
do,
and
I
don't
know
that
I
would
right
now.
I
think
it's
a
very
hard
field
to
be
in
right
now.
You
know
these
young
kids
coming
out.
I
feel
bad.
I
mean
they
don't
know
what
police
work
was
like,
even
even
when
the
tree
of
life
happened.
B
You
know
some
of
them
are
just
so
new
that
if
they
weren't
even
here
for
that-
and
they
don't
know
what
the
community
was
like
after
that
they
all
they
see
is
negativity
all
the
time
and
it
and
it
does
wear
on
you.
I
I
had
a
conversation
with
my
son
the
other
day,
but
you
know
just
sad
that
you
know
we
go
out
and
I
have
all
the
best
intentions
at
heart.
You
know
28
years.
B
I've
never
have
one
right
up
against
me
with
all
my
years
with
the
city,
my
heart's,
definitely
in
the
right
place.
I
absolutely
do
feel
like
I'm
helping
people.
I
want
to
help
people
and
for
people
to
absolutely
hate
you,
because
of
the
uniform
you
wear
is
is
very
hard.
It's
you
know.
I
have
pretty
thick
skin
from
doing
this
job
and
that
for
years,
but
it's
very
hard
and
I'm
not
saying
it's
any
easier.
B
Yes,
I
mean
we,
it
you
need
it.
You
need
good
people,
you
know.
If
you
know
I
shouldn't
say
not
to
do
it,
because
we
need
people
that
really
want
to
do
it
not
do
it
for
the
wrong
reasons.
I
always
say
there's
that
kid
that
was
picked
on
in
high
school.
That
becomes
a
cop
and
you
never
want
that.
So
you
want
people
to
be
in
it
for
the
right
reasons.
B
You
know
they
really
want
to
help
and
and
do
good
and
and
so
you
know,
I
should
say
yes,
so
you
know
we
do
need
more
helpers.
You
know,
what's,
mr
rogers,
all
the
helpers
go
to
the
helpers
so.
A
Yeah,
so
have
you
been
limited
in
the
I
take
it
that
during
normal
times,
you'd
be
around
the
neighborhood
knocking
on
doors
a
lot,
maybe
during
covet
people
didn't
necessarily
want
their
doors
knocked
on
well?
Will
that
change
back
to
the
way
it
used
to
be.
B
Well,
not
again,
it's
a
new
initiative
where
we're
going
into
these
neighborhoods,
all
the
resource
officer,
community
resource
officers
together,
we
we
pick
so
many
different
walks
for
the
week
and
it's
usually
two
a
day
and
then
we
just
go
and
we
hit
that
neighborhood
and
like
two
at
a
time
like
so
we're
not
in
like
a
yard,
a
large
group,
because
then
everybody's
like
what's
going
on
here,
what
happened
so
usually
two
at
a
time
and
then
we
just
go
and
we
just
shake
hands,
go
into
businesses,
and
usually
I
have
the
dog
with
me.
B
So
zane
is
a
golden
retriever
he's
actually
sick.
Today,
too,
he
has
a.
B
I
know
we're
we're
a
wreck
here,
but
he's
a
golden
retriever
and
ideal
for
zane
came
after
the
tree
of
life.
We
brought
in
canine
first
responders
from
you,
know,
another
city
they
volunteered
to
come
in
and
what
they
did
was
sit
in
like
before
any
of
our
debriefings.
B
We
had
with
our
officers
the
they
they
would
bring
the
dogs
in
they
would
pet
the
dogs
and
get
relaxed,
and
then
they
would
go
in
and
have
a
debriefing
and,
to
my
surprise,
because
you
know
I
was
not
for
it
at
all
honestly
and
I
and
I
love
dogs.
I
know
how
my
dog
felt
I
feel
about
my
dog,
but
when
the
ideal
came
about,
I
was
like
that's
crazy.
The
swat
guys
are
gonna
roll
on
the
floor
with
the
the
dogs
and
then
they're
gonna
tell
us
all
their
feelings.
B
A
B
So,
but
with
the
officers
you
know,
then
we're
all
like
critically
incident
trained
our
whole
peer
support
team
that
we
have
are
trained
for
that.
So
then
we're
able
to
look
at
signs
that
signs
and
like
symptoms
of,
what's
going
on
with
somebody,
maybe
they're
not
saying
that
they're
having
issues,
but
we
see
it
because
you
know
here
they
are
they're
petting,
the
dog,
their
guard
goes
down
and
you
can
notice
some
things
and
then
maybe
then
we
follow
up
with
them
and
say:
hey.
B
You
know,
let's
see
how
we
can
help
you
with
this.
You
know.
Maybe
you're,
not
you
know
getting
through
as
much
as
you
think
you
are
because
everybody
thinks
they're
fine
until
they're,
not
fine.
You
know,
police
officers
have
a
long
history
of
you
know
having
a
few
extra
drinks
or
a
few
extra
girlfriends
or
whatever
you
know
sad
to
say
I
mean
we're
we're
a
lot
better
now,
because
we
we
actually
do
talk
about
the
things
you
know
these
everyday
things
that
build
up.
I
call
it
the
cumulative
trauma.
B
I
refer
to
it
as
a
paper
bag
where
you
throw
things
in
your
whole
career.
You
know
the
bigger
stuff's
at
the
bottom,
you
think
and
then
an
apple
at
the
top
of
the
bag.
Rips
the
whole
bag
open,
and
you
don't
understand
why
that
one
call
which
shouldn't
be
a
big
call
just
toward
all
of
it.
So
we
try
to
get
a
hold
of
that
before
that
happens.
So
so
we
so
we
put
a
proposal
in
after
the
tree
of
life
when
we
saw
the
dogs
and
they
agreed
to
it.
B
The
chief
agreed
to
get
a
dog
for
our
team
and
he's
used
for
those
kind
of
critical
incidents,
but
also
for
community
work.
We
take
them
to
the
communities
and
right
now
it's
a
good
thing
that
you
know
you
have
a
little
bit
of
tension,
but
they
pet
the
dog
and
they
say:
oh
he's,
okay,
you
know,
and
then
they
talk
to
us
and
say:
oh
my
gosh
she's
she's.
Like
me,
you
know
oh
she's,
the
mother
or
she's,
whatever
you
know,
and
it
does
help
and
the
dog
is
going
to
be
used
to.
B
We
have
it
because
of
covid,
but
if
kids
or
adults
need
help
with
testifying
or
anything
like
that
or
being
interviewed,
zane
could
go
in
with
them
and
sit
and
ease
them.
For
that.
B
Yes,
they
were
together,
river
came
to
zany's
swearing
in
so
they
they
met
and,
and
they
became
friends,
so
hopefully
we're
back
together
again
they're.
So
cute.
A
B
B
Yes,
because
we
we
schedule,
we
put
the
the
job
title,
it
kind
of
went
around
kind
of
who
I
am
so
it
worked
out
and
they
had
asked.
Would
I
be
willing
to
take
the
dog?
You
know
if
we
got
them-
and
I
said
yes
because
we
did
want
them
to
be.
They
had
to
be
part
of
our
peer
support
team
because
they
have
to
have
that
training.
B
It's
good
to
have
a
dog
if
you're,
not
knowing
what
to
look
for
when
you're
using
them
and
then
a
community
resource
officer,
because
that
gives
me
the
leeway
of
being
able
to
take
him
into
the
community
and
stuff.
And
you
know
add
him
on
to
my
regular
duties.
B
So
he
just
had
his
basic
obedience
training
and
then
he
has
we're
going
through
therapy
training
right
now,
so
he'll
get
certified
as
a
therapy
dog.
Basically,
even
though
we
won't
necessarily
use
them
as
a
therapy
dog
like
in
hospital
settings
and
stuff,
I
mean
we've
gone
into
children's
with
them
and
everything,
but
that
won't
be
his
main
goal,
but
he
will
have
that
training
and
just
to
say
he's
certified.
A
Is
I
I
realize
that
you've
been
able
to
go
into
the
office
and
a
lot
of
people
have
not
been,
but
is
there
something
you're
just
dying
to
do
that
you
haven't
been
able
to
do
during
coven?
Oh.
B
I
I
just
or
just
no,
I
was
thinking
about
think
about
kids
that
were
born
during
covet.
They
don't
see
people
smile
a
lot
in
public,
and
you
know
that
kind
of
thing:
they
they
don't
work
on
those
cues
at
all,
and
I
thought
that's
so
like
I
was
just
thinking
of
that.
The
other
day
when
I
was
smiling
at
a
kid-
and
I
realized
I
had
a
mask
on
so
I
like
pulled
my
mask
down
real
quick,
the
smile
with
the
kids,
so
they
saw
somebody
smiling
on
them
because
it
was
a
baby.
B
Yes,
yes,
although
I
gotta
put
my
my
you
know
how
I
make
I
make
these
facial
expressions
behind
my
mask.
I
gotta
get
rid
of
those
when
we
get
off
get
rid
of
the
mask.
A
B
Right
right,
we
we
usually
do
for
the
most
part
because
we're
we're
in
the
community.
We
go
into
groups
because
the
community
stuff,
so
we
I
don't
know
yeah,
hopefully
they'll
all
lift
soon
and
and
people
can
get
back
to
their
normal
stuff.
A
Yes,
indeed,
well
officer
vicky
I've
taken
up
enough
of
your
time,
but
I
can't
thank
you
enough
for
agreeing
to
do
the
program.
A
And
we
look
forward
to
being
able
to
get
out
there
soon
without
a
mask
and
do
your
stuff
to
the
to
100
of
your
ability.