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From YouTube: CityTalk with John McIntire: Darrick Payton
Description
On this episode of CityTalk, John interviews Darrick Payton from the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police.
A
A
Welcome
to
city
talk
where
we
talk
to
all
sorts
of
city
employees
and
all
sorts
of
different
occupations
try
to
find
out
what
these
people
do
for
your
harder
taxpayers
money
and
here's
one
of
the
hardest
working
people
in
the
police
department
officer,
derek
payton,
joins
us
on
zoom
city,
talk
officer,
payton,
welcome
to
the
program.
A
Glad
to
have
you
here
so
tell
us
what
you
do
for
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
What
kind
of
police
work
are
you
involved
in.
B
A
So
so
what
kinds
of
questions
might
the
community
typically
be
asking
about
police
work.
A
B
Things
go
wrong
in
their
neighborhoods;
they
want
to
know,
what's
being
done
about
it,
they
want
to
know
who's
doing
what
what
information
can
be
shared
generally
understanding
when,
when
due
to
invest
ongoing
investigations,
information
cannot
be
shared,
making
them
understand
what
events
are
coming
up,
that
that
that
may
be
beneficial
for
them,
giving
them
information
in
terms
of,
but
most
people
think
they
know
more
about
what
the
police
do
than
they
actually
and
then
it
you
know
then
then
actually
happens.
B
So
I
I
think
I
think
people
have
an
assumption
about
police
work
based
on
the
myriad
of
television
programs
that
they've
seen,
and
they
think
that's
how
that
it
actually
works.
That
I
mean
you'd
be
amazed
how
many
people
think
that
we
can
send
something
to
the
crime
lab
and
get
it
back
this
afternoon.
B
A
Correct,
that's
a
good
point.
That's
perception,
not
the
rule
interesting.
Is
that
a
little
bit
frustrating
for
you
that
you
have
to
try
to
teach
people
the
difference
between
real
life
and
what
happens
on
television.
B
It's
not
frustrating
it's
it's
it's
expected,
but
but
the
problem
arises
when
they
think
they
know
they're
sure
they
know
you
know,
and
and
that's
that
kind
of
thing
is
even
when
presented
with
the
facts,
you
get
people
that
are
somewhat
resistant.
There's
a
cognitive
dissonance
that
happens
that
that
you
have
to
you
have
to
learn
to
deal
with
it.
Just
comes
comes
as
part
of
it.
A
B
A
That's
interesting,
so
why
did
you
decide
to
become
a
policeman,
and
did
you
know
that
this
is
what
the
job
was
going
to
be,
or
did
you
specifically
look
into
this
particular
kind
of
policeman.
B
Well,
it's
very
odd.
I
I
wasn't
interested
in
police
work
or
very
early
on,
because
I
didn't
have
I'm
from
the
west
side
of
chicago.
We
didn't
have
a
very
good
association
with
police
in
chicago
when
I,
when
I,
when
I
was
coming
up
in
the
in
the
mid
to
late
80s,
so
so
it
wasn't
something
I
was
interested
in,
I
became
interested
in
it
later
on.
I
mean
be
the
change
that
you
want
to
see.
You
know
what
I
mean.
B
So
so
that's
when
it
became
interesting
to
me
and
I
I
I
only
thought
of
police
work
in
one
way.
I
thought
it
was
just
you
know,
cops
and
robbers.
You
know
I
wasn't.
I
wasn't
aware
that
there
were
so
many
different
areas
that
you
can
get
into
with
police
work.
I
I
didn't.
I
didn't
know
that
I
came
to
pittsburgh
to
go
to
the
art
institute
of
pittsburgh
and
what
put
what
I
got
was
pretty
much
a
communications
degree.
B
You
know
something
having
to
do
with
communications
and
just
so
happens
becoming
a
police
officer,
there's
a
communication
side
and
there's
that
there's
community
work
and
there's
a
lot
of
good
work.
That
can
be
done.
So
I
I
kind
of
landed
there
now.
A
Did
you
see
yourself
in
some
kind
of
different
role
for
a
different
organization
when
you
went
to
school?
In
other
words,
was
that
the
last
thing
you
thought
you
were
going
to
be?
Was
a
police
officer.
B
If
you
had
asked
me
if
that
was
going
to
happen
to
me
ten
years
before
that
I
would
have
laughed
at
you,
I
would
have
laughed
at
you,
but
you
know
the
more.
B
I
was
more,
I
was
more
of
a
an
artsy
kind
of
guy
okay.
You
know,
I
learned
I
loved
music,
I
loved
entertainment,
I
loved
community
communications,
I
loved
public
relations
and
you
know
that
was
that
was
kind
of
my
niche
and
that's
kind
of
what
I
still
do
here.
A
So
you
might
have
been
working
for
a
concert
promoter
or
something
like
that.
B
Exactly
I
might
have
been
working
for
a
concert
promoter
I
might
have
been
promoting
concerts
myself.
I
might
have
been
managing
a
group.
I
might
have
been
being
a
spokesperson
for
a
record
label.
I
might
have
been.
You
know
those
kinds
of
things
administration.
B
Why
it's
funky
before,
which
is,
why
watches
why
it
was
defunct?
You
know
so
that
has
caused
me.
Some
consternation.
B
It's
it
well,
there
were
some
really
good
things
about
it,
but
but
at
the
same
time,
when
you,
when
you
have
people
that
that
that
get
involved,
it's
kind
of
off
leading
path.
But
when
you
have
people
that
get
involved
in
it,
who
don't
have
the
best
interest
of
the
students
at
heart
and
people
that
are
more
interested
in
making
money
than
they
are
about
about?
B
A
B
Well,
I
ended
up
going
to.
I
ended
up
working
for
kdka
as
a
news
writer
producer
kdk
am
1020
the
radio
side.
A
Oh,
I
used
to
work
there
myself
get
out
of
here,
win
actually
well
2005
2006,
and
then
I
was
back.
Oh
okay,.
A
Radio
side
yeah
yeah-
I
was,
I
you
know,
talk-
show
host,
evil.
Liberal
you
know.
Republican
bashing
talk
shows.
A
B
He
and
I
had
wars,
he
and
I
had
some
wars.
Did
you
ever
meet
john?
Oh,
my
god
did
we
have
some
wars?
Did
you
ever
meet
john
cigna.
A
B
Oh,
you
talk
about
a
guy
with
some
character,
man
that
guy
he
used
to.
We
used
to
go
on
ticket
rates.
Of
course,
you
know
what
a
ticket
rate
is,
but
we
used
to
go
on
promotions
for
the
rest
of
you,
our
radio
promotions
and,
and
he
would
be
like
the
personality,
and
I
would
be,
of
course,
the
guy
that
was
that
was
helping
out
or
or
or
or
handling
the
handling
of
the
radio
side
and
producing,
and
he
would
say.
A
B
Folks,
this
is
my
this
is
my
this
is
my
my
son
he's
from
italy
too
southern
italy
way,
southern
italy.
A
Else,
I've
heard
many
amazing
stories
about
john
cigna,
so
how.
B
Long
were
you
there,
but
after
that
I
was
only
there,
for
I
was.
I
was
only
there
for
a
couple
years
and
just
like
you,
my
my
ideas
and
and
and
attitudes
toward
the
way
things
should
go
and
be
written
was
vastly
different
than
theirs,
so
so
that
that
didn't
work
out
that
didn't
work
out.
My
my
I
don't
even
consider
myself
that
liberal,
but
they
were
too
liberal
for
them,
so
so
that
didn't
that
didn't
work
out
well,
so
I
moved
on,
I
started
trying
to
go
ahead.
A
You
well
then,
so
you
got
on
the
radio
and
got
into
something
else.
B
Well,
I
got
out
of
that
radio
station
and
then
and
then
I
started
doing
like
concert,
promotions
and
ground
promotions
for
for
for
other
for
coming
events
with
wamo,
oh
with
lama,
okay,.
A
B
Yeah
yeah,
so
I
started,
I
did
a
few
things
with
them
and
then
and
then
you
know,
pittsburgh
isn't
isn't
like
this
bustling
entertainment
town.
So
so
I
kind
of
had
I
started
working.
I
had
to
move
on
to
other
things
and
I
moved
into
customer
service
with
working
with
att.
A
Okay
and
then,
how
did
you
find
out
about
the
opening
of
the
police
department
and
what
led
you
to
apply.
B
B
This
is
dangerous
territory,
because
when
I
first
applied,
I
didn't
get
hired
and-
and
I
had
some
some-
I
I
will
say
legal
difficulties-
getting
hired
as
a
police
officer
and
ended
up
in
a
class
action
suit
that
that
ended
that
ended
up.
We
ended
up
eventually
winning
and
that's
how
I
ended
up
getting
on
jobs.
So.
A
A
Oh
well,
that's
an
interesting
way
to
get
in
and
but
you
obviously
enjoy
your
job
very
much.
A
And
how
often
are
you
out
in
the
neighborhoods,
and
it
was
that
curved
curved
in
any
way
because
of
covey.
B
Oh
boy,
yeah,
especially
with
the
community
resource
areas,
I
mean
we,
we
were
normally
going
to
schools,
visiting
children
taking
them
visiting
the
after
school
programs
in
order,
because
one
of
the
big
problems
with
with
the
communities
is
that
they
only
see
police
officers
when
something
goes
wrong
right.
B
So
we
were
trying
to,
of
course,
make
efforts
to
to
make
sure
that
they
were
positive
interactions
with
children
and
with
people
in
the
community
that
had
nothing
to
do
with,
with
only
showing
up
when
horrible
things
have
happened
because
mentally
that's
the
association,
you
begin
to
have
whether
you
would
like
to
or
not
that's
the
association.
You
begin
to
have
cop
bad,
because
I
only
see
cops
when
things
are
bad
right.
So
so
you
you
have
to
change
that
narrative.
B
You
have
to
change
that
that
mindset,
so
we
would
go
to
schools,
we
would
do
after
school
programs.
We
had
golfing
things
that
we
did
with
the
kid
to
play
chess
with
the
kids.
There
were
so
many
things
that
we
were
involved
in,
that
that
were
cut
short
by
kovitt
and
we're
still
trying
to
get
some
things
back
up
and
going.
But
it's
it's!
It's
it's
slow
going
in
terms
of
getting
it
back
at
the
level
that
it
was.
A
B
Yes,
but
it's
not
a
it's
a
it's
here's,
the
problem.
The
problem
is
that
people
want
immediate
results.
People
want
to
put
a
quarter
in
the
machine
and
hear
the
music.
Do
you
understand.
A
B
Doesn't
it
doesn't
work
like
that
yeah,
it's
an
investment
and,
and
sometimes
sometimes
my
job
is
drowning
horses.
I
say
that
to
people
sometimes
and
ask
me
what
that
means
and
drowning
horses
by.
B
You
lead
a
horse
to
a
water,
but
you
can't
make
a
drink
right,
but
many
times,
I'm
grabbing
the
horse
by
the
collar
and
dragging
its
fade's
head
into
the
water
into
the
point
where
it
drowns,
because
I'm
trying
to
get
it
to
see
a
different
thing
to
look
at
a
different
way
to
drink
and
that's
and
that's
very
difficult
because
we
are
working
against
decades.
B
You
know
decades
and
decades
of
negative
experience
from
people.
I
have
some
of
those
negative
experiences:
okay
and
and-
and
it
took
a
while
for
me
to
change
my
mind
before
I
decided-
to
try
and
become
a
police.
B
Definitely
definitely
I
mean
there
was
all
here's
what
here
and
here's
what's
odd
about
it.
What's
odd
about.
A
B
Is
it
wasn't
the
the
three
police
officers?
That's
just
an
area,
that's
the
number,
but
three
police
officers
that
handled
the
situation
that
I
came
across
wrong.
B
A
Individual,
so
how
have
you
been
coping
with
covet?
Obviously,
where
I'll
be
limited
and
sort
of
isolated,
how's
that
been
going
for
you.
B
Well,
it's
it's!
It's
definitely
had
some
interesting
dimensions
to
my
life,
just
like
everybody
else's,
but
but
in
terms
of
police
work.
It's
it's
of
course
complicated
things.
A
lot
more.
I
mean
it's
it's
difficult
to
to
to
be
in
a
foot
chase
with
a
mask
on.
You
know,
yeah
it's
difficult
to
try
and
get
somebody
on
the
ground
and
put
cuffs
on
them
and
shuffle
your
mask
back
over
your
nose.
So
it's
an
inherently
dangerous
a
situation,
but
but
I
mean
nobody
ever
took
a
police
job
to
stay
safe.
A
B
Yes,
yes,
of
course
I
mean
there
there
are
there.
There
are
things
that
I
used
to.
I
mean
this
job.
You
have
to
get
away
from
the
job,
sometimes,
and
just
and
just
you
know
do
something
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
job.
You
know
now
you
can
still
do
the
outdoor
things.
You
can
still
walk
and
run
and
ride
your
bike
and
play
some
golf
and
you
know
maybe
go
out
to
the
driving
range.
B
You
can
still
do
those
things,
but
I
used
to
love
to
to
to
go
out
to
the
cigar
bar
and
have
a
cigar
with
with
some
friends
and
and
have
a
drink
and,
and
you
know,
have
a
charcuterie
plate.
It
was
it
was.
You
know
it
was
a
great
release.
You
can't
do
that.
B
You
know
it's
just
so
so
yeah
I
mean,
and-
and
I
think
you
know-
maybe
it's
maybe
it's
going
out
on
a
limb,
but
I
think
many
of
the
the
problems
of
the
the
uptick
that
we're
seeing
in
the
violence
going
on
around
here
has
something
to
do
with
people
being.
You
know
locked
up
for
a
year.
B
You
know
the
weather,
warming
up
and
people
being
shut
down
for
a
year
and
people
not
seeing
people
then
coming
coming
across
people
and
now
they're
running
into
each
other,
so
we're
having
an
uptick
in
the
violence.
A
B
Think
I
think
new
blood
new
thinking
is
the
way
is
the
way
forward.
It
is
a
rewarding
career.
I
I
it
doesn't
get
paid
as
much
as
I
think
it
should,
but
you
can
make
a
decent
life
there.
You
meet
some
excellent
people.
You
have
some
excellent
opportunities,
so,
yes,
I
would
definitely
recommend
it.
A
And
how,
if
you
don't
mind
asking
how
old
were
you
when
you
joined
the
force
46
so
because
people
probably
think
you
you're
probably
going
to
be
in
your
20s
if
you're
becoming
a
police
officer?
But
that's
I
think
it's
interesting
that
you
waited
until
then
to
join
in
the
fund.
It's
so
rewarding
since.
B
Yes,
I'm
telling
you
I
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
I
would
have.
I
don't
think
I
would
have
been
ready
to
become
a
police
officer
at
25..
I'm
not.
I
can't
speak
for
anyone
else.
You
know,
but
me
as
for
me.
I
don't
think.
I
don't
think
that
that
my
I
I
handled
the
job
differently
mentally
at
46
than
of
course,
I
would
have
at
25.
I'm
far
more
able
to
handle
the
job
in
mentally
than
I
would
have
been
at
25,
and
I
I'm
far
more
guarded
and
protected.
B
I
should
say
against
it
having
and
affecting
my
personality
in
negative
ways
than
I
would
have
been
at
25..
It's
very
easy
on
this
job
to
have
it
affect
your
personality
in
a
negative
way,
so
I
don't
know
that
I
would
have
been
able
to
withstand
or
or
beat
back
so
much
of
the
negativity
that
you
see
at
25..
B
Some
of
it
is
life.
Experience
like
I
said,
becoming
coming
to
it
at
46.
another
another
part
of
it
is
compartmentalization
compartmentalizing
things.
You
know
there
are
certain
things
you
can't
put
in
a
box,
but
most
things
you
can't.
I
mean
you,
you
and
you
don't
take
it.
You
not
take
learning
to
not
take
things
personally,
even
when
people
are
personally
attacking
you
ad
hominem
attacks
on
you
personally,
you
don't
you
don't
you,
you
have
to
develop
a
thick
skin
and
understand
it
even
in
the
worst
small.
B
This
is
this
person's
worst
moment.
You
know
this
is
one
of
the
worst
times.
It's
definitely
the
worst
part
of
their
day,
so
you
can't
take
it.
You
can't
take
it
personally.
So
that's
that's!
Those
are
some
of
the
the
the
the
things
that
you
have
to
have
a
mental
abilities
that
you
have
to
have
to
keep
going.
B
Well,
I'm
definitely
never
moving
back
to
chicago,
but
but
in
one
way
or
another,
I'll
always
be
connected
to
pittsburgh.
A
Better
enough,
thank
you.
It
was
really
been
enjoyable
talking
to
you
thanks
so
much
for
doing
the
program
today.
Thank
you
for
your
time
officer,
derek
payton,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
that
is
this
edition
of
city
talk.
We
will
see
you
next
time.