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Description
On this episode of CityTalk, John interviews Tiffany Kline-Costa and Colleen Bristow from the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police.
A
Welcome
to
city
talk
where
we
try
to
figure
out
what
these
people
do
all
day
and
by
these
people
I
mean
city
employees
today
we're
lucky
enough
to
meet
two
police
officers
who
work
for
the
department
of
public
safety
and
obviously
pittsburgh
pd,
say
hello
to
sergeant
tiffany,
costa
tiffany.
Welcome
to
the
program.
A
A
Oh
okay,
so
how
did
you
first
become
interested
in
police
work.
B
Well,
it's
kind
of
a
funny
story.
I
was
actually
a
teacher
and-
and
I
was
struggling
with
my
job
and
and
my
husband
suggested-
I
take
the
police
test
kind
of
as
a
date,
so
we
went
to
take
the
test
and
then
we
had
lunch
and
then
the
results
came,
and
this
has
the
results
of
the
test
came
and-
and
this
has
become
my
new
life.
B
A
B
Yeah
so
I'm
kind
of
a
dorky
person
I
really
like
taking
tests
and
he
knew
he
knows
that
about
me,
so
he
was
planning
on
taking
anyhow.
So
I
gave
it
a
try.
A
So
you
took
the
test
and,
to
your
surprise,
you
did
well
on
it
because
you
weren't,
even
necessarily
thinking
of
becoming
a
police
officer
prior
to
that
correct.
B
Yeah
and
I
thought
well,
let
me
go
through
the
process,
it's
pretty
long
process
and
I
thought
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
how
far
I
could
take
it
and
lo
and
behold.
Well,
I
took
the
test
on
november
6th
and
then
I
was
offered
the
position
in
the
next
august
to
join
the
recruit
class.
B
I
don't
remember
that
much.
There
was
a
large
portion
that
was
like
personality
characteristics
and
then
there
was
also
like
some
memory
test
and
then
also
kind
of
discerning
descriptions
from
victims
or
witnesses
to
see
like
to
narrow
down
what
the
best
result
would
be.
B
Yeah
so
after
the
written,
then
you
have
to
pass
a
physical
like
agility,
so
you
have
to
sprint.
You
have
to
run
a
mile
and
a
half.
You
have
to
do
sit-ups
and
you
have
to
do
a
bench.
Press.
A
Okay,
well,
it's
a
good
thing:
you
were,
you
happened
to
be
in
good
shape
when
you
decided
to
take
a
test
for
a
lark,
you
know
yeah.
So
what
do
you?
What
does
your
position
involve
now.
B
B
So
it
means
supporting
our
community
resource
officers
and
our
neighborhood
resource
officers
to
be
able
to
do
their
job
to
the
best
of
their
ability
and
to
kind
of
support
each
other.
It
means
building
relationships
within
the
community
and
police
supporting
community
events,
visiting
schools,
visiting
senior
centers,
just
building
relationships,
building
trust
with
it
with
the
community
and
also
some
public
safety
education
pieces
too.
A
B
Well,
you
know
every
day
is
different
right,
so
we
never
know
what's
going
to
come
at
us
as
far
as
like
nationwide
news
goes,
and
so
it's
it
can
be
difficult,
but
it's
it's
also
like
a
measure
of
humanity
relating
to
people,
empathizing,
understanding
and
being
genuine
and
authentic
about
it.
A
Correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong
costa,
is
your
married
name,
correct.
A
A
B
A
I
see
what
you're
saying:
how
about
that?
Where
are
you
from
originally.
A
Awesome
and
we're
about
to
live
these
days.
I'm.
B
A
That's
right,
brighton
heights
and
you've
even
been
doing
some
community
policing
on
a
personal
level
around
brighton
heights,
because
there
had
been
some
activity
that
wasn't
good.
B
I
mean
yes,
I
I
helped
zone
one
commander
acting
commander,
think
about
ways
we
could
reach
out
to
the
community,
and
so
we
organized
a
group
of
cross
nros
and
some
of
the
zone
leadership
and
also
some
community
leaders,
including
councilman
wilson,
just
to
go
out
and
talk
to
the
neighbors
and
understand
what
their
experience
has
been
like.
Brighton
heights
is
a
large
community.
So
we
we
kind
of
just
walked
around
and
and
talked
with
folks
and
trying
to
get.
B
You
know,
get
people
to
feel
safe,
based
on
kind
of
a
rash
of
violent
incidents
that
have
occurred.
B
Everybody
that
so
I
walked
around
with
a
community
member
and
a
another
officer,
and
we
we
had
a
great
time
chatting
with
people
hearing
what
their
experience
is
like
any
incidents.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
said
everything
was
great.
There
were
a
few
neighbors
that
were
concerned
about
issues
and
we
just
listened
and
took
notes
and
passed
that
on
to
the
investigatory
branch,
and
also
you
know,
people
just
like
seeing
you
out
and
about
the
first
question
is
always:
is
there
something
wrong?
B
What's
happening
and
we'd
like
to
change
that
it
would
be
really
nice
if
officers
walking
patrol
or
walking
a
beat
was
a
more
normalized.
A
B
A
Wow,
so
how
have
you
been
coping
with
coven.
A
I'm
sorry
to
hear
that,
but
I'm
glad
they
were
covering
so
did
that
just
get
spooky
and
spookier
for
you
when
so
many
of
your
relatives
kept
coming
down
with
that.
B
To
be
honest,
so
my
family,
we
live
here
in
pittsburgh,
but
all
of
my
in-laws
in
my
family
live
in
beaver
county
in
lawrence
county.
So
the
crossover
you
know
we
had
been
avoiding
contact
anyhow,
since
my
position
and
my
husband's
position
as
a
firefighter
are
as
essential
workers.
We
come
into
contact
with
so
many
folks,
so
we
were
avoiding
contact
anyhow.
A
Do
you
also
run
a
or
help
run
a
camp
for
kids
to
meet
police
officers.
B
I
participate
in
the
camp,
I
have
for
many
years.
Actually
it's
called
cops
and
kids
camp.
We
had
to
cancel
last
year
because
of
covid,
and
it
looks
like
this
year
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
host
the
camp
either,
but
it
is
a
week,
a
week-long
camp,
totally
free
to
residents
of
pittsburgh,
kids
ages,
8
through
12,
and
it's
just
a
week
where
police
officers
serve
as
the
camp
counselors
and
coordinators.
B
A
B
A
Yeah
gabby
gabbanesso
and
spoke
really
highly
of
the
whole
thing
said:
you
guys
did
a
great
job
and
the
kids
were
enamored.
B
Yes,
I
met
her
years
ago
and
once
I
learned
about
josh
and
gab
now
just
kind
of
gab
right,
we
invited
them
to
come
to
the
camp
and
it's
been
a
huge
hit.
Every
year,
she's
amazing.
A
B
A
B
I
used
to
steer
more
towards
fiction
and
I
would
allow
myself
like
a
one
contemporary
novel
for
every
classic
novel.
I
read,
but
now
my
my
interest
is
kind
of
extended
all
over,
so
I've
kind
of
switched
back
and
forth
between
fiction
and
non-fiction.
Now.
B
B
Well,
so
the
comparison
was
between
the
war
on
drugs,
once
drugs
were
prohibited
and
the
gang
va.
The
the
like
gangster
violence
that
began
in
the
20s
when
alcohol
was
prohibited,
so
it
was
kind
of
an
argument
for
alternative
plans
to
illegalizing
drugs.
A
Also,
more
treatment
and
less
lock
them
up
and
throw
away
the
key.
B
A
Here's
a
question
that
just
popped
into
my
head:
do
people
I'm
sure
you
can't
do
it
or
won't
do
it
and
wouldn't
do
it,
but
do
they
ever
ask
you
to
fix
tickets.
B
You
know
it's
been
a
couple
years
since
I've
written
a
ticket
yeah
so
every
now
and
then
like
a
family
member
from
beaver
county
will
call
and
be
like
hey.
Can
you
help
me
with
this.
B
And
if
you
break
a
law,
I
think
you
should
be
held
accountable.
A
Well,
now
that
people
are
starting
to
get
shots
in
the
arms-
and
I
realize
it's
very
early
in
the
game,
but
is
there
anything
you're
really
looking
forward
to
that?
You
haven't
been
able
to
do
once
things
relatively
speaking,
get
back
to
normal.
B
A
A
Very
nice
to
meet
you,
you
have
a
wonderful
face,
and
would
you
recommend
a
career
in
law
enforcement
for
your
average
human
out
there,
or
at
least
you're
above
average
human,
since
I'm
assuming
it's
a
very
difficult
job.
B
C
Hey
pittsburgh:
it's
your
mayor,
bill!
Peduto,
have
you
been
thinking
about
housing?
Have
you
been
thinking?
Maybe
it's
time
to
see
if
I
can
buy
my
first
home
or
maybe
you're
living
in
your
house,
and
you
have
some
expenses
and
you're
not
really
sure
if
you
can
afford
it,
maybe
you're
a
renter
and
you're
wondering
I
wonder
if
there
is
a
program
out
there
for
me
what
if
there
was
one
place
you
could
go
to
to
answer
all
of
your
questions,
whether
it
deals
with
housing
in
pittsburgh.
C
The
city
now
has
a
site.
You
can
go
to
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
housing
assistance,
resource
portal,
harp
h-a-r-p
and
be
able
to
have
any
of
your
questions
answered
whether
it's
are
there
programs
to
help
me
to
fix
my
roof
or
to
put
in
a
new
furnace.
Are
there
programs
to
help
me
to
buy
my
first
home
or
my
second
home,
or
even
are
there
programs
out
there
that
can
help
me
to
pay
my
rent
and
it's
a
resource
guide?
C
A
Welcome
back
to
city
talk
as
we
record
this
episode.
It
is
international
women's
day,
so
we're
glad
to
have
another
female
pittsburgh
police
officer
say
hello
to
sergeant
colleen
bristow
colleen,
welcome
to
city
talk.
Thank
you
for
having
me
good
to
have
you.
So
if
you
don't
mind,
we
chatted
on
the
phone,
and
you
told
me
about
an
incredibly
harrowing
incident,
maybe
10
or
so
years
ago
that
had
a
big
effect
on
your
life.
When
you
first
became
a
police
officer,
if
you
don't
mind
sharing
that
with
the
folks
watching
this.
D
Sure,
back
in
september
of
2010,
I
was
responding
to
a
robbery
in
progress.
In
the
north
side
section
of
pittsburgh,
I
was
met
by
three
armed
men
that
I
foolishly,
as
some
may
want
to
call
it.
I
chose
to
pursue
and
I
stuck
with
one
of
them
and
he
was
the
getaway
driver
and
he
happened
to
drag
me
with
his
vehicle
and
I
was
put
off
of
work.
D
I
had
traumatic
brain
injury
back
issues
broken
elbow,
multiple
things
that
a
lot
of
people
believe
to
be
a
career
ender,
and
I
was
off
of
work
for
a
few
years,
and
I
wanted
to
prove
them
wrong
and.
A
A
I
have
no
doubt,
and
we
admire
your
bravery
and
your
stick-to-itiveness
and
your
resilience.
Were
you
hanging
on
to
the
door
or
to
a
back
of
a
truck
or.
D
Yeah
my
light
so
my
leg,
the
door
was
open
and
my
leg
was
wedged
on
to
in
between
the
door
and
that
so
yeah.
I
don't
remember
much.
A
Yeah,
but
now
so
when
you
counsel
police
officers
just
starting
now,
you
would
tell
them
perhaps
not
to
do
something
like
that,
in
other
words
yeah
in
retrospect,
you
you,
what
do
you
do,
wait
and
look
for
backup
and
then
go
try
to
find
them.
D
Yeah,
so
that's
actually
like
what
kind
of
led
me
to
my
career
in
the
training
academy,
so
I
like
to
use
that
space
to
you
know
remind
future
officers
that
they're
they're
human
beings
with
limitations
and
and
things
like
that,
and
how
to
do
you
know,
use
your
brain
first
before
you
make.
You
know
not
jump
into
rest
decisions
and
do
a
lot
of
we
do
stress
inoculation,
trainings
to
make
sure
that
they're.
You
know
they
overcome
that
immediately
that
you
know
that
your
brain
naturally
goes
to
that.
D
A
Well,
you've
certainly
got
a
lot
of
street
cred
for
them
to
listen
to
you
yeah
and
tell
us
about
the
training
academy
and
what
that
involves.
D
Yeah,
so
we
have
a
really
fantastic
training
academy.
It's
really
it's
actually
become
nationally
recognized.
We
go
above
and
beyond
what
the
state
mandates
us
to
do.
D
We've
been
incorporated
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
trainings
meant
to
you
know,
end
stigmas,
you
know
within
our
occupational
culture.
So
we
do.
We
have
a
prison
program
where
we
take
our
recruits
into
joint
learning
environment,
with
men
behind
bars
out
at
fayette
state
prison.
D
Yeah
we
break
the
stigma
down.
You
know
that
you
know
a
lot
of
most
people
come
in
with
training
from
hollywood.
You
know
very
much
so
with
you
know.
They
see
criminals
as
different
like
we.
We
try
to
do
our
best
to
make
sure
that
us,
first
them
mentality
doesn't
go
into
their
brain
and
they
just
realize
that
they're
dealing
with
humans
with
the
same
issues
same
family
things.
You
know
same
as
they
have
and
it
works
both
ways
in
the
program.
D
We
also
want
to
break
down
that
the
men
that
are
inside
see
us
as
adversaries
and
see
that
we
actually
want
to
help
them.
A
D
B
D
People
or
you
know
like
criminal
mindset-
they're,
always
like,
oh
my
god,
like
they're,
so
intelligent
in
there
and
like
the
men,
write,
poetry
and
they're,
like
that's,
not
what
I
expected
at
all
and
they
find
so
much
commonality
and
they're
like
yeah,
because
everybody
makes
mistakes.
You
know
it's
just
some
people's
mistakes,
land
them
here
and
other
people.
D
You
know
they're
not
caught
for
their
mistakes
or
or
you
know
just
there's
a
multitude
of
different
things,
but
they
really
see
the
humanity
in
one
another
and
they
see
so
much
in
common
with
one
another,
and
it
reminds
you
know,
and
another
thing
like
what
we
never
learned
in
the
training
academy
historically,
was
like
how
much
of
what
we
do
in
law
enforcement,
how
much
it
affects
someone's
life.
D
So
I
really
like
to
make
sure
that,
when
the
recruits
are
in
the
academy
that
they
really
realize
you
know,
when
we
put
an
arrest
on
someone
there
there's
so
much
of
an
after
effect
that
comes
from
it
within
their
families,
and
things
like
that.
So
let's
make
sure
that
that's
actually
the
best
thing
to
do
with
them.
So
just.
A
D
Well,
so,
like
one
thing,
I
always
we
always
talk
about
is
I
never
knew
if
you
put
a
drug
charge
on
a
child,
you
know
even
any
person,
not
necessarily
a
child,
but
especially
a
child.
They
no
longer
can
get
federal
student
loans,
so
you're
setting
people
up
for
failure.
You
know
you're
you're,
being
a
part
of
not
helping
them
in.
You
know
becoming
a
productive
member
of
society,
but
no
one
just
ever
told
us
that
you
know.
D
So
it's
just
really
real
things
that
we
need
to
know
about,
or
maybe
it
you
know
it's
a
single-parent
household
and
now
we're
taking
the
parent
out
of
a
single
parent
household
or
we're
creating
a
single-parent
household
like
all
of
those
things
that
we
just
don't.
We
never
really
taught
about
before.
D
My
parents
are
from
homewood
brushton
area
of
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
they
grew
up
in
impoverished
and
maybe
you
know
had
their
their.
My
parents
are
older.
They
had
a
different,
hysterical,
historical
look
at
policing
that
I
think
is
common
lung
amongst
people
within
that
group.
D
So
they
were
a
little
taken
aback
when
my
sister
chose
to
join
law
enforcement,
and
my
sister
has
always
been
one
of
the
fairest
most
honest
people
I
ever
knew
so
I
was
like
okay
well
she's
doing
that
and
I
was
in
school
for
biology
and
my
sister
said:
well,
you
know
I
was
finishing
up
she
and
I
needed
to
get
a
full-time
job,
because
medical
school
just
wasn't
going
to
be
in
my
life.
I
was
a
single
mom
at
the
time
and
she
said
why
don't
you
take
the
police
test?
D
I
was
like
no
that's
your
thing.
You
know
I
still
very
much
had
the
historical
bias
from
my
parents
of
law
enforcement,
and
so
she
talked
me
into
interning
at
the
special
victims
unit
and
I
was
mind
blown
I
was
like
wow
the
you
know.
D
The
police
are
really
they're
trying
to
help,
and
you
know
they're
in
really
really
terrible
situations
that
they
see
and
they're
they're,
really
trying
to
connect
people
immediately
to
services,
and
it's
not
just
this,
like
the
main,
like
the
castle
lens
that
I
had
of
policing,
was
really
changed
there
and
I
was
like
well.
I
could
really
like
boots
on
the
ground.
Try
to
help
people
and
pittsburgh
bureau
police
does
a
really
excellent
job
of
that.
D
A
Well,
you're,
the
second
at
least
initially
reluctant
police
officer
we
talked
to
today
we
talked
to
sergeant
tiffany
costa
earlier
she
kind
of
fell
into
it.
Also.
What
what's
would
you
say
is
the
most
rewarding
thing
about
being
a
police
officer.
D
Being
able
to
help
people
to
really
like
you
see
people
in
these
really
like
a
very
intimate
critical
moments
that
other
people
never
get
to
see,
and
I
respect
the
citizens
for
so
much
for
inviting
us
into
that
space
and
allowing
us
to
be
there
to
try
to
help
them
and
serve
them.
D
So
that's
actually
why
I
had
told
you
the
story
before
like
that
happening
to
me.
You
know
at
such
a
young
age
has
given
me
such
an
appreciation
of
life.
So
I
just
live
every
day
like
it's
not
like.
I
shouldn't
say.
D
Last
because
that's
a
little
crazy
talk,
but
I
really
I
really
honestly
appreciate
every
day
of
my
life,
so
not
to
say
like
just
like
everyone
else,
there's
sometimes
there's
bad
days
during.
C
D
A
D
Is
still
pretty
and
it's
so
and
my
own
new
normal,
but
it's
still,
we
my
husband
and
I
both
actually
still
get
to
go
to
work
every
day.
So
it's
been,
you
know
we
haven't
had
to
deal
with
the
stress
of
income
loss
or
anything
like
that,
and
luckily
our
kids
are
under
the
age
of
school.
So
I
I
really
give
the
parents
a
lot
of
credit
that
are
navigating
this
with
school
work
and
everything
else.
It's
really
really
trying
time
for
people.
D
I
would
I
would,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
I'd
actually
love
to
see-
is
people
that
necessarily
didn't
go
to
school
for
criminal
justice
and
understand
that
you
don't
have
to
go
to
school
for
criminal
justice,
like
I
love
the
people
that
come
in
like
myself
or
tiffany
the
outside
perspectives
and
just
a
different
way
of
looking
at
it.
I
love
when
I
meet
people
that
have
gone
for
science,
because
I
think
we
have
a
very
unique
way
of
looking
at
things
that
is
different.
D
C
D
Like
it's
just
you
know,
it's
there's
biology
behind
it.
You
know,
there's
you
know
the
men
or
the
single
oriented
task
focused
hunter
brain
where
you
know
where
they,
the
gatherer
brain
with
a
whole
bunch
of
things
coming
in
at
us
at
one
time
that
we're
piecing
together
and
putting
into
something
which
is
really
excellent
in
policing,
and
I
just
even
think
I
think
too,
with
some
of
it.
D
You
know
like
if
a
man
is
coming
into
the
home
of
another
man-
and
you
know
maybe
there's
some
like
some
form
of
crisis
going
on
in
that
home,
and
then
you
have
another
man
coming
in
and
telling
you
you
know
trying
to
guide
you
through
it.
It's
a
little
bit
different
than
a
woman
coming
in
in
a
supportive
way.
You
know
so
it
kind
of
takes
like
that.
D
On
the
other
side
of
things
too,
you
know
like
it's,
not
a
male
challenging
male,
which
is
primal.
You
know
what
I
mean
so
there's.
I
definitely
think
women
have
a
really
great
strength
in
that.
I
think
you
know
people
just
respond
better
to
to
hearing
that
type
of
thing.
From
a
woman.
A
D
Yeah
absolutely
yeah.
I
think
women
don't
realize
that
you
can
have
a
family
and
do
lots
of
things
with
your
families
and
it's
very
much
pushed
externally
like
if
you
go
on
like
social
media
and
stuff
like
we
miss
birthdays.
We
miss.
D
That
does
happen
a
little
bit,
I'm
not
gonna
say
it
doesn't
happen,
but
it
also
can
make
a
lot
of
time
off
for
you
like.
We
do
get
a
lot
more
time
off.
We
only
have
to
work
20
years
and
then
we
can
retire.
So
there's
a
lot
of
family
benefits
to
it
as
well
that
I
just
think
people
don't
do
a
good
job
of
highlighting.
So
I
think
that
makes
us
lose
a
lot
of
consideration
with
women.
A
A
There
you
go
so
have
you
developed
any
new
hobbies
or
habits
or
you're
doing
anything
that
you
didn't
used
to
do
before
colbit,
although
it
sounds
like,
as
you
said,
your
life
didn't
change
that
much.
D
Well,
we
were
big
travelers,
so
wow
wait.
That's
definitely
been
a
big
change
for
us,
so
we
just
try
to
hit
the
outdoors
as
much
as
possible.
We
go
out.
We
have
woods,
we're
fortunate
to
have
woods
behind
our
house.
We
do
a
lot
of
hiking
just
a
lot
of
it
escaping
into
nature,
since
we
can't
travel
right
now.
That
was.
A
A
I
bet
so
that's
the
thing
that
you're
most
looking
forward
to
when
things
return
to
relative
normal.
D
A
All
right,
so
that
should
do
it
very
delightful
talking
to
you.
Do
you
have
any
final
thoughts,
final
words
or
anything
you'd
like
to
say
to
the
humans
out
there.
D
Yeah
we
love
more
women,
just
more
people
from
different
backgrounds.
From
you
know,
I
love
to
see
it.
I
love
to
see
it
different
educational
backgrounds,
any
type
of
diversity
we
could
get
in
the
pittsburgh
bureau
of
police
would
be
really
great,
and
if
anyone
has
any
questions
about
it,
they
you
know
about
the
hiring
process
or
anything
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
us,
and
I
could
actually
give
you
what
it's
really
like.