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Description
On this episode of CityTalk, John talks to Bruce A. Kraus from Pittsburgh City Council District 3 and Max Dennison from Citiparks.
A
Welcome
to
another
zoom
edition
of
city
talk
as
we
continue
to
broadcast
remotely.
Obviously,
due
to
the
covet
19
situation,
joining
us
live
from
somewhere
in
his
district,
an
undisclosed,
location
or
maybe
he'll
disclose.
It
is
longtime.
Councilman,
bruce
krauss,
councilman.
Welcome
to
the
program
hi.
A
B
A
B
B
B
B
No,
I
can't
this.
You
know
my
you
know.
Living
here
is
as
much
a
part
of
what
identifies
me
as
just
about
anything
else
in
my
life,
but
most
pittsburghers
can
say
that
can't
they,
regardless
of
where
they've
chosen
to
sort
of
throw
the
anchor
down
it's
you
know
where
we
live,
is
just
such
an
integral
component
to
who
we
are.
B
There's
a
lot
of
upkeep
in
any
kind
of
a
property
that
you
own,
an
older
house
like
this:
it's
pretty
structurally
sound.
They
build
them
to
last.
You
know
so
most
of
the
work
that
I've
done
really
has
been
cosmetic.
It
had
really
good
bones,
has
really
good
bones
and
pretty
much
it's
pretty
much
cosmetic
and
I'm
a
homebody
john.
I
you
know,
if
I'm
not
at
work,
I'm
pretty
much
home,
it's
pretty
much.
What
I
do
so.
B
Your
bloodiness,
no,
no,
you
know
I
had
a
really
long
talk
with
a
constituent
the
other
day
and
I
had
to
confess
that
being
at
home
is
really
starting
to
get
to
me.
You
know
we're
people,
people
we
like
to
be
out.
We
like
to
see
people
and
you
know,
engage
and
socialize,
and
I
miss
I
mean
when
you
serve
in
an
elective
office.
A
B
A
B
Well,
you
know
it's
just
a
short
drive
for
me
anyway,
I
yeah,
I'm
not
you
know
someone
arguing,
I'm
not
wrapped
real
tight
to
begin
with,
so
you
almost
have
to
be
to
get
into
this.
You
know
into
this
business,
but
I
I
am
a
homebody.
I
I
like
being
home.
I
don't
really
have
a
problem
with
it.
What
I
really
really
miss
is
the
is
my
friends.
B
I
miss
the
people
and-
and
we
do
this-
I
was
on
a
zoom
call
this
morning
with
constituents
up
in
belts
over
in
knoxville,
and
we
almost
didn't
want
to
get
off
the
phone.
You
know
we
meet
on
monday
mornings,
we're
probably
on
there
for
the
better
part
of
at
least
90
minutes,
sometimes
two
hours
and
even
then
you
know
we're
getting
off
because
our
batteries
are
running
out.
You
know
we
miss
one
another.
We
really.
A
B
Yeah
and
you
know
what
and
we're
willing
to
take
the
calls
and
have
the
conversations
it's
not
within
my
power
to
do
so,
but
we're
going
to
be
avoid
we're
going
to
be
an
ear,
we're
going
to
lend
it
here
and
listen
and
do
the
very
best
we
can
to
carry
it
to
the
powers
that
be
there's
going
to
be
some
relief
coming
down
the
road
here.
I
know
the
governor's
going
to
change
some
things
about
the
the
ban
on
food
and
beverage
businesses.
B
B
I've
walked
in
the
door
how
important
food
and
beverage
business
is
to
the
economy
and
why
I
fought
so
hard
to
protect
food
and
beverage,
make
certain
that
sales
and
service
are
responsible
and
that
they
don't
have
negative
impact
on
where
they're
housed,
because
they're
incredibly
important
to
the
economy
and
boy
are
we
learning
now
just
how
very
important
food
and
beverage
business?
Is
the
economy
and
we're
doing
everything
in
our
power
to
fight
to
save
them
and
damn?
Well,
we
should.
A
B
B
B
My
father
had
one
job
his
entire
life,
and
that
was
to
work
for
the
eisley
dairy
company.
That's
all
my
dad
ever
did
my
mother
waited
tables
from
like
1964
to
just
about
two
years
or
so
before
she
passed
so
food
and
beverage
business
is
in
my
blood,
and
so
we
always
we
tend
to
be
a
little
difficult
to
wait
on,
because
we
ask
for
all
kinds
of
special
things
that
we
shouldn't
be
asking
for,
but
we
tip
well
too,
because
it's
an
incredibly
difficult
way
to
make
a
living.
B
It's
rewarding
and
people
that
are
in
the
business,
love
it
and
it
shows
that
they
do.
But
man
do
they
work
for
it.
She
works
hard
for
the
money
and
you
know,
and
they
do
and
so
it
it's
an
incredibly
important
time
if
you
are
going
out
and
you
are
doing
takeout
or
if
you're,
okay
and
the
local
restaurant
is
doing
indoor
dining.
You
know,
if
you
can,
you
know
pass
a
little
bit
more
than
you
normally
would.
A
B
A
B
So
this
is
a
whole
new
world
to
him
he's
working
remotely
from
the
day
he
came
in,
but
it's
there
you
can't
trade,
the
energy
that
you
get
from
being
on
the
fifth
floor,
which
really
is
about
the
most
exciting
place
you
have
to
admit
in
all
the
city.
The
fifth
floor
of
the
city
county
building
is
about
as
exciting
as
it
gets
and
I
miss
it.
I
want
to
walk
across
the
hall.
I
want
to
see
the
mayor.
If
I
need
to
see
him,
I
want
to
talk
to
gilman
in
person.
B
You
know
I
I
I
miss
that
I
miss
just
walking
down
the
hall
and
having
one
of
your
colleagues
pull
you
in
and
say
you
have
time
for
coffee.
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
something:
that's
how
this
stuff
gets
done.
It's
all,
if
there's
anything,
I've
learned,
john
in
the
in
the
13
or
so
years
that
I've
been
doing
this
is
that
what
we're
in
is
a
business
of
relationships.
B
B
B
We
work
at
it.
You
know
everybody's
running
in
the
same
direction.
Look
we
have
a
great
mayor,
there's
you
know,
there's
no.
You
know
secret
that
I'm
a
a
big
fan
of
mayor
peduto
he's
been
a
friend
and
a
colleague
and
an
ally
for
you
know
more
years
than
I
want
to
want
to
count
gilman's
a
wonderful
chief
of
staff.
We
have
great
directors
in
place.
B
We
we
have
common
goal
and
common
vision.
We
want
to
work
together.
We
want
to
do
things
right
and
no
more
important
time
than
right
here.
Have
we
ever
been
faced
with
a
more
challenging
time
here
in
the
city
budget,
season's
upon
us
we're
going
to
be
budget?
It's
going
to
be
budget
24
7
for
the
next
four
months,
and
is
that
a
time
for
people
to
not
be
working
together
or
not
be?
You
know
unified
in
the
vision
and
trying
to
get
us
through
a
rough
spot?
A
B
Know,
look
we,
you
know
it's
what
we
sign
up
for
and
it
is
a
democracy
and
I
I'll
get
worried
the
day.
People
start
stop
wanting
to
talk
to
me
or
challenge
me
or
critique
me.
You
know
we're.
We
are
all
human.
We
all
have
our
flaws
as
well
too,
but
I,
I
don't
believe
the
bulk
of
us
get
in
the
business.
If
we're
not
and
I
hate
to
keep
using
that
term,
but
don't
get
in
elected
office
for
not
wanting
to
do
the
right
thing.
B
B
You
know
I
went
out
there
like
everybody,
does
and
talked
about
how
I
want
to
change
things
and
when
I
get
there,
what
do
you
see
what
I
do
and
then
you
get
there
and
you
realize
just
how
challenging
and
complex
and
complicated
decision
making
can
be
and,
like
I
said
earlier,
if
you
don't
find
your
way
to
building
relationships,
you
won't
get
anything
done,
and
it's
it's
it's.
It's
easy
to
critique
and
it's
really
difficult
can
be
really
difficult
to
lead.
A
B
Both
I
miss
it
terribly
because
I
I
I
like
you
know
I
like
looking
after
people
and
and
I
hope
I'd
like
to
think
I
had
really
good
relationships
with
the
members,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
really
important
to
not
overstay
your
welcome
and
to
step
aside
and
make
room
for
new
leadership,
and
so
as
much
as
I
enjoyed
it
and
I
served
as
a
president
for
six
years.
I
knew
that
to
stay
any
longer,
I'd
be
doing
a
disservice
to
the
council
as
a
whole.
B
Yeah
yeah,
but
I
do
miss
it,
but
I
I
do.
I
have
a
really
I
have
a
real
soft
spot
for
for
leading
the
body
it
was.
It
was
something
I
enjoyed
very
much.
I
believe
when
we
take
these
jobs,
we
punch
in
for
four
hours
or
four
year
stretches,
and
I
you
know
some
people
can
do
it
and
god
bless
them,
but
you
know
I
have
a
challenging
district.
I
have
a
lot
of.
B
I
got
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
and
you
know
we
start
early
and
we
end
late
and
we
always
did-
and
I
just
I
don't
know
where
I
would
find
the
time
to
really
give
it
what
the
constituency
that
was
kind
enough
to
put
me
here
deserve.
If
I
did
something
else
so
that
doesn't
mean
I
wouldn't
go
back
to
it
when
when
these
days
are
over,
but
no
there's
too
much
to
do.
A
C
A
But
is
it
over?
I
was
going
to
make
it
over.
Is
that
all
right,
wow
that
went
fast?
What
well
it
doesn't
have
to
be?
I
can
ask
you
a
couple
more
questions.
Sure
go
ahead,
shoot
all
right.
Well,
what
have
you
been
able
to
accomplish
during
covid
recent
legislation?
Do
you
think
might
be
considered
significant.
B
Do
you
know,
there's
there's
no
more
important
topic
on
the
table
for
discussion,
the
police
reform,
and
so
for
the
last
I
want
to
say
a
good
10
to
12
weeks
now
I've
been
meeting
with
hilltop
constituency
every
monday
morning
at
10
o'clock
and
we
meet
for
the
better
part
of
90
minutes
going
on
two
hours
and
we've
had
a
number
of
invited
guests.
Much
like
what
you
would
do
here
to
help
advise
us
on
how
we
can
help
to
create
the
police
department
that
everybody
wants.
B
Everybody.
Everybody
agrees
that
we
have
a
stellar
police
department
that
is
worthy
of
accolades
and
like
any
profession,
whether
it
be
broadcasting
or
politics.
We
have
some
bad
apples.
No
every
every
job
does
but
we're
working
really
really
hard
at
how
to
make
the
kinds
of
reforms
that
keep
both
constituency
safe
and
police
officers
safe.
So
over
the
last
10
12
weeks
now,
we've
met
with
mayor
peduto.
B
B
A
B
We,
the
one
thing
that
we
have
heard
loud
and
clear
from
constituency
across
the
board,
is
this
idea
of
defund.
The
places
is
a
catchphrase
that
somehow
took
off
and
is
out
there
somewhere,
no
one's
looking
to
do
that
at
least
of
all
this
council
at
least
the
the
members
that
I'm
aware
are
not,
but
are
there?
Are
there
wetter
better
ways
to
do
policing?
B
Are
there
better
ways
to
have
better
hiring
and
training
practices,
and
are
there
better
ways
to
equip
police
officers
with
the
necessary
equipment
to
do
the
jobs
that
they
need
to
do
from
the
day
I
walked
in
the
door?
I
have
argued
that
when
we
fail
to
plan
and
manage
as
administrators
and
things
turn
to,
I
can't
say
that
word
we
hand
it
off
to
police
officers
and
say:
can
you
fix
this?
B
I'm
sorry
my
battery's
going
down,
and
so
when
we
fail
as
planners
managers,
administrators
and
things
don't
go
the
way
we
think
they
should.
Then
we
just
hand
it
over
to
police
officers
and
say
oh
fix
this,
because
we
didn't
do
our
job
right.
That
those
days
are
over
they're
gone
again.
Just
harkening
back
to
what
we
were
saying
earlier:
it's
it's
the
cooperation,
it's
the
working
together
and
the
building
of
relationships.
B
B
But
what
I
found
to
be
so
very
inspiring
from
african-american
leadership
in
hilltop's
neighborhoods
is
the
kind
of
commitment
that
they
have
to
making
the
changes
that
need
to
take
place
and
to
creating
an
apartment
that
truly
protects
and
serves
and
doesn't
police
and
over
the
weeks
of
conversation
boy
have.
I
learned
the
difference
between
policing,
a
constituency
and
protecting
and
serving
the
constituency,
and
that's
what
we're
looking
to
do.
So
that's
one
of
many
things.
B
C
C
Television,
the
baby
of
the
radio
family
is
creating
openings
for
experienced
engineers,
most
of
whom
are
graduating
from
radio
work
for
regularly
scheduled
programs.
The
production
department
has
a
multitude
of
duties
to
perform
primarily
concerned
with
planning
and
preparing
the
programs
to
go
on
the
air
from
the
scene
of
action,
cameramen,
televise
events
which
you
may
see
in
your
own
home.
If,
of
course,
you
have
a
television
receiver
control,
men
skillfully
operate
the
apparatus
which
mixes
sound
effects,
music
and
dialogue.
C
C
C
A
A
D
So
parks
does
a
number
of
things.
My
position
specifically
as
a
digital
inclusion
coordinator.
What
I
try
to
do
is
get
the
kids
that
frequent
our
rec
centers
engaged
into
tech
and
tech
adjacent
activities.
So
we
do
coding.
We
do
artificial
intelligence.
We
do
machine
learning
anything
with
computers,
the
digital
literacy
since
covet
what
we've
had
to
do
really
to
pivot,
because
we
can't
be
in
the
same
room
as
many
students.
A
D
The
hope-
that's
the
hope,
but
you
know
truth
be
told
just
like.
If
all
of
us
went
out
and
played
basketball,
we
wouldn't
be
michael
jordan.
Everybody
who
goes
to
work
on
computers
won't
be
mark
zuckerberg,
but
what
I'm
hoping
is
that
we
can
create
a
generation
of
thinkers
and
learners
who
are
adapt
to
the
future
of.
What's
going
to
happen,
you
know
all
the
jobs
in
the
21st
century
are
going
to
be
tech.
It's
already
happening
even
the
way
we're
having
a
zoom
call
via
cell
phone.
It's
everywhere.
D
We
turn
every
everywhere
we
go,
so
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
access
to
that,
the
young
people
have
access
to
high
level
technology
and
part
of
wreck
the
tech.
The
initiative
that
I'm
kind
of
running
is
the
idea
that
the
average
kid
in
one
of
our
neighborhoods
one
just
walk
onto
the
cmu
campus
or
walk
on
a
pit
campus
and
say
hey.
I
want
to
be
a
computer
scientist
or
I
want
to
be
a
computer
programmer.
A
I
also
think
it's
really
interesting
that
the
city
and
the
parks
and
rec
department
is
taking
on
this
mission,
because
you
wouldn't
necessarily
think
it
would
be
part
of
the
city
government
to
do
that.
You
would
think,
maybe,
as
you
say,
people
just
learned
in
school
or
something.
So
what's
it's
great?
How
did
this
program
start?
Do
you
know.
D
The
initiative
initially,
I
believe
it
was
in
2016-
and
basically
the
idea
behind
it-
is
pittsburgh
becoming
a
huge
technology
hub.
Many
big
technology
companies
are
moving
to
pittsburgh.
There's
a
lot
of
jobs,
a
lot
of
opportunity,
the
mayor's
seen
that
opportunity
to
kind
of
make
a
connect
between
the
youth.
We
we
have
over
600
kids
that
come
through
our
recreation
centers.
We're
not
sure
how
many
of
those
youth
are
engaged
in
computers
are
able
to
work
on
computers,
but
we
wanted
to
kind
of
make
that
connection.
D
D
So
this
may
be
some
kid's
first
time
trying
it
so
we
try
to
do
is
engage
them
by
building
websites,
things
that
they
may
be
interested
in,
for
instance,
if
kids
are
into
sports,
we
can
have
them
build
a
website
with
their
favorite
players
plays
and
statistics
so
kind
of
really
circle
the
technology
around.
What
they're
interested
in
that's,
really
the
easiest
way
to
get
them
engaged
it's
very
difficult,
because
it's
just
not
normal.
D
D
You
like
music.
We
had
a
kid
build:
a
fake
version
of
a
spotify
where
their
music
streams,
things
like
that,
make
it
easier
to
engage
the
students,
but
for
so
long
technology
has
seemed
to
be
something
that
was
so
it's
like
a
mask.
You
know
people
think
it's
impossible
to
code,
and
it's
really
not
that
difficult.
Honestly,
that's.
A
D
Originally
born
on
the
hill
district,
probably
about
to
the
age
12
and
my
parents
were
able
to
purchase
a
home
in
the
stanton
heights
area.
I
attended
frick
international
studies
academy.
I
think
it's
something
different
outside
tech,
I
believe,
or
something
like
that,
and
I
attended
right
up
the
street
at
shinley,
high
school
and
attended
ccac
and
then
graduated
from
point
park
awesome
and
what
was
your
degree?
In
my
degree,
my
bachelor's
degrees
in
political
science
were
a
minor
in
history.
D
D
A
D
It
was
really
tough
in
the
beginning,
I'm
a
just.
I've
been
adjusted
for
a
few
months
now,
but
in
the
beginning
it
was
tough.
It
was
you
know,
you're
so
used
to
meeting
and
seeing
everyone
every
day
talking
about
what
you're
working
on
and
in
our
office
in
parks,
there's
a
lot
of
synergy.
You
know
you
walk
past
the
desk,
hey.
What
are
you
working
on?
This
is
what
I'm
working
on
and
when
kovit
really
kicked
in
it.
D
We
kind
of
lost
that
a
little
bit
the
ability
to
just
see
everyone
and
check
on
everyone,
but
we're
picking
up
it's
just
it's
just
tough,
always
being
feeling
kind
of
by
yourself
in
a
sense.
So
it's
it's!
It's
tough
working
like
that,
but
we're
healthy
we're
we're
able
to
work
we're
able
to
continue.
You
know
we
just
finished
the
the
coding
boot
camp
for
the
kids.
So
as
long
as
we're
able
to
continue
to
work,
I'm
pretty
happy
pretty
happy.
D
Same
my
daughter
is
is
very
tough.
She
wants
to
get
back
into
school.
She
wants
to
be
around
her
friends.
She
wants
to
you,
know
it's
the
eighth
grade,
so
she
you
know
she
wants
to
be
with
her
friends
and
things
like
that.
But
I
tell
her
safer
at
home
for
now-
and
you
know
we
work
pretty
much
side
by
side
at
the
computer
desk,
she's
working
on
her
school
work
and
I'm
working
on
my
my
day-to-day
work
so
we're
making
it
we're
making.