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Believe
we
are
one
or
two
people
short
from
approval
of
to
approve
the
minute,
so
we
will
move
this
a
little
bit
further
down
in
the
agenda,
as
I
anticipate
that
we
will
be
joined
by
more
folks
shortly,
but
we
will
begin
with
public
comment.
Do
we
have
any
registered
public
commenters
chad?
No?
Okay?
We
will
now
move
on
to
a
presentation
on
fair
housing
by
megan
humphrey.
E
Can
you
hear
me
now,
yes,
yep
excellent?
I
apologize
for
my
incredibly
bulky
headset.
I
am
having
a
technology
problem
and
wearing
this
to
get
through
virtual
meetings,
but
thank
you
for
having
me,
as
my
name
is
megan
conference.
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
fair
housing
partnership
of
greater
pittsburgh.
E
I
want
to
spend
a
few
minutes
today
about
what
is
current
in
the
fair
housing
state
in
pittsburgh
right
now
and
so
to
get
right
into
it
is
that
you
may
be
aware
that
the
city
recently
passed
an
ordinance
regarding
inclusionary
zoning.
However,
that
ordinance
has
recently
been
litigated
by
its
detractors.
E
We
are
all
certainly
familiar
with
the
litigation
that
comes
from
legislation
in
our
city,
but
what
is
important
for
this
board
to
understand
and
to
know
that
the
uniqueness
about
this
litigation
is
that
it
was
not
filed
in
state
court,
but
in
federal
court.
The
litigation
is
arguing
that
the
ordinance
violates
the
constitution
based
on
takings
and
due
process,
so
recognize
that
when
zoning
began
in
the
united
states
over
100
years
ago,
takings
was
the
foundational
argument
that
setting
any
parameters
whatsoever
for
land
use
limits.
E
Potential
profit:
that's
the
definition
of
zoning
and
also
remember
that
in
2021
just
last
year,
the
report
inherited
inequality.
The
state
of
financing
for
affordable
housing
in
pittsburgh,
showcased
that
over
a
12-year
period
amongst
900
banks
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
that
3.5
of
bank
mortgage
lending
went
to
black
applicants.
E
We
know
by
the
math
that
public
funds
alone
cannot
mitigate
the
inequality
of
our
housing
market,
and
so
I
am
raising
this
litigation
to
the
board's
attention,
because
I
cannot
stress
enough
the
importance
of
this
advisory
board's
robustness
and
its
decision
making,
because
it's
going
to
embody
and
does
embody
that
our
city
actually
does
value
inclusion
in
2022.
Pittsburgh
is
now
in
the
national
spotlight
of
federal
court
to
defend
zoning
as
a
city
planning
tool
that
allows
for
safe
and
affordable
housing
for
all
of
our
residents.
E
And
so
I
want
everyone
to
be
well
aware
of
what
will
be
coming
up
over
the
summer
as
this
litigation
is
moving
forward,
as
we
await
the
city's
arguments
in
defense
of
the
ordinance
and
look
for
a
robust
legal
defense,
arguing
our
city's
values
of
the
ordinance
not
only
being
constitutional
but
necessary
and
important
to
us
as
its
residents.
E
So
that
will
segue
me
into
you,
may
have
seen
in
local
news.
Additional
stories
will
be
forthcoming,
but
fhp
has
filed
appraisal.
Complaints
in
the
city
that
occurred
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
those
complaints
are
currently
being
investigated
by
the
hud
department
of
fair
housing,
equal
opportunity,
and
so
what
I
want
to
underline
before
I
go
into
the
case
details
is
that
remember
that
housing
discrimination
does
not
stop
based
on
income.
E
No
amount
of
money
stops
housing,
discrimination
from
happening,
and
so
a
homeowner
in
east
liberty's.
She
had
her
house
appraised
she's,
a
black
homeowner
and
east
liberty
is
three
times
has
a
higher
black
population
than
neighboring
highland
park
based
on
the
census,
and
so
her
home
was
about
a
block,
a
block
and
a
half
two
blocks
inside
the
line
of
demarcation
of
the
highland
park.
East
liberty,
border
and
her
home
was
appraised
for
four
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
then
she
had
her
family
pictures
removed.
She
removed
her
african
tribal
mask.
E
Three
days
later,
the
higher
appraisal
came
in
at
436,
000
36
000
changed
over
the
course
of
three
days
in
the
mathematical
value
of
the
home,
arguably
because
of
the
race
of
the
homeowner,
the
race
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
race
of
the
family,
who
was
presented
as
occupying
the
home
later,
the
home
sold
for
447
000,
and
so
what
I'm
saying
here
is
that
pittsburgh
is
wrestling
massively
with
the
population
crisis.
We
are
seeing
a
depopulation
at
critical
levels
that
threaten
our
standing
as
a
second-class
city.
E
That
certainly
doesn't
let
us
grow
into
a
first-class
city
and
in
order
to
attract
new
residents
in
order
to
get
new
people
to
move
to
pittsburgh,
we
have
to
show
our
values
of
inclusion,
equality
and
equity
to
attract
those
residents
and
to
keep
our
current
residents
this
homeowner
in
the
local
stories
in
the
local
news
that
will
come
out
this
evening.
When
she
talks
about
this
experience.
She
talks
about
20
plus
years
of
acts
of
discrimination
that
have
occurred
against
her,
and
so
she
is
moving
out.
E
You
may
have
seen
nationwide
that
appraisal
discrimination
cases
are
being
filed,
investigated
and
happening.
I
am
hopeful
that
we'll
be
able
to
create
possible
policies
that
appraisal
companies
can
use
and
consider
as
a
means
that
we
can
bring
back
to
this
board,
for
consideration
was
taken
to
other
appraisal
companies
in
the
city
as
a
means
of
adjusting
how
appraisals
are
done
to
impact
and
to
change
the
systemic
devaluation
of
black
owned
homes
and
homes
in
black
majority
neighborhoods.
E
I
will
close
out.
I
always
forget
the
time
frame
that
I
have
and
to
share
that
on
the
national
level
hud
announced
in
april.
A
new
criminal
history
will
make
it
in
2015
and
2016
hud
released
guidance
and
memos
related
to
the
use
of
criminal
history
in
rental
housing
applications,
particularly
as
it
applies
to
federally
subsidized
housing
and
as
it
applies
to
an
arrest
that
occurs
during
a
tenant's
tenancy
in
that
housing.
E
Instead
of
using
it
as
a
basis
to
keep
tenants
out
of
the
only
housing
they
may
qualify
for,
and
so
this
is
critical
as
we
consider
our
gap
funding
that
the
hof
provides
with
how
our
federally
subsidized
housing
providers
are
doing
their
application
processes
with
regard
to
criminal
history
and
how
an
arrest
is
considered
while
a
tenant
resides
in
the
property.
So
there
is
a
robust
amount
of
information
for
this
board
to
consider
to
talk
about.
A
Thank
you,
megan
lots
of
good
information
in
that
I'd
like
to
double
back
to
the
minutes.
We
have
been
joined
by
a
couple
other
members,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
record
is
indicating
who's
joined
us
I
know
jerome
is
is
with
us.
Paul
is
with
us.
They
both
joined
towards
the
beginning.
At
the
beginning
of
megan's
presentation,
has
everybody
had
an
opportunity
to
review
the
minutes
from
april?
A
G
B
B
F
Yes,
so
megan
again,
thank
you
for
presenting
this
morning.
That
was
really
powerful
information,
and
I
appreciate
the
highlighting
of
the
zoning
issue,
which
is
something
that
I
don't
think
that
we've
dived
very
deeply
into,
and
I
think
it's
something
that
we
should
continue
to
explore
with
lawrenceville
and
inclusionary
zoning
policies,
you
know
being
contested
in
various
ways
and
then
what
you
had
presented
related
to
housing
assessments.
F
I
think
that
this
you
know
the
zoning
piece.
The
equity
pieces
are
something
that
it
would
be
great
for
us
to
bring
back
into
the
matrix
when
we're
thinking
about
projects
and
we're
identifying
areas
where
we
need
to
do
more
work,
and
so
I
would
hope
that
we
can
put
that
on
the
agenda
as
we're
moving
forward
throughout
the
year
to
really
be
thinking
more
about.
F
You
know
targeted
investment
communities,
those
barriers,
and
I
know
that
we
were
hoping
to
have
a
developer
forum
sometime
in
the
near
future,
and
I
think
that
if
developers
could
also
speak
to
those
issues,
it
would
be
fantastic
because
we
know
you're
experiencing
them.
We
know
that
you're,
you
know
embedded
in
those
conversations,
so
for
the
folks
who
are
convening
the
developers
meeting
presentation.
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
great
ancillary
piece
to
bring
to
the
table,
not
just
for
the
benefit
of
the
hof
members,
but
just
the
overall
community
conversation.
G
And
now
I
just
would
like
to
add.
I
agree
with
adrian
thank
great
great
great
presentation
megan,
but
it's
important
for
us
to
really
recognize
you.
You
connected
two
dots
with
the
inclusionary
zoning
as
well,
as
you
know,
what's
happening
with
the
appraisal
issue
really
across
all
these,
the
programs
that
hlf
has
just
just
how
really
you
know:
equity
social
justice,
affordable
housing,
race,
it
intersects
across
the
board,
and-
and
we
just
really
need
to
think
about
that.
E
Thank
you
all,
and
I
would
simply
put
what
makes
this
litigation
so
such
a
hot
topic
is
its
federal
nature.
We
are
no
longer
in
state
court,
discussing
pittsburgh's
second-class
city
status
and
the
home
rule
charter.
We
are
discussing
zonings
as
a
takings
and
due
process
and
law
that
has
been
adjudicated
for
a
hundred
years
plus,
and
so
whether
we
want
to
or
not,
pittsburgh
will
be
on
a
national
stage
with
litigation.
E
That
hasn't
happened
for
some
decades
now
and
it's
imperative
on
us
to
have
the
messaging
of
who
we
are
and
what
we
value
along
with
that
litigation.
I
Megan,
what
is
the
best
way
for
us
to
keep
track
of?
What's
going
on
with
that
litigation,
I
mean
beyond
reading
the
news:
is
there
like
a
good
source
of
information
for
us
to
stay?
On
top
of
this.
E
Let
me
get
back
to
you
about
that
lena.
I
can
forward
the
board
the
filing
the
if
you're
interested
in
reading
the
litigation
itself
as
well
as
my
understanding,
is
that
the
city's
response
is
due
by
june
15th
and
so
we'll
either
expect
the
city
to
request
an
extension
to
its
response,
which
is
a
typical
procedure
or
to
file
its
response,
which
would
presumably
or
could
be
a
motion
to
dismiss
based
on
a
lack
of
merit.
E
But
what
we
want
to
see
is
the
city
robustly
engaging
in
litigation
that
has
a
messaging
that
not
only
is
this
important
but
is
clearly
constitutional
as
it
has
been
adopted
across
the
country,
but
let
me
get
back
to
you
about
a
specific,
ongoing
source.
A
Thank
you
adrian
for
opening
up
back
up
for
questions.
I
apologize.
I
was
trying
to
make
sure
we
checked
that
box
before
we
go
and
we've
seen
the
fair
housing
committee
has
been
very
active
as
we'll
report
out
later
so
I've
talked
to
we've
talked
to
megan
in
smaller
groups,
quite
a
bit
over
the
last
month,
but
easy
to
forget
that
not
everybody
has
had
that
the
benefit
of
that
exchange.
A
J
Hi
good
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
derek
kendall
morris,
I'm
the
manager
of
consumer
lending.
Here
at
the
ura
of
pittsburgh.
I
wanted
to
provide
the
board
with
an
update
on
the
homeowner
assistance
program
and
the
small
landlord
fund,
as
I
believe
you're.
All
aware
of
both
of
those
programs
have
been
closed.
That
have
not
been
accepting
applications
since
sometime
last
year,
but
we
have
received
the
hof
2022
allocation,
so
we
will
be
reopening
both
of
these
programs
for
applications
on
june
13th.
J
So
we
will
be
doing
a
lot
of
outreach
within
the
community
to
let
people
know
that
these
programs
are
available
again.
But
if
you
could
all
use
your
networks
as
well
to
to
let
people
know
that
they
can
apply
for
the
homeowner
assistance
program
and
the
small
landlord
fund,
starting
on
the
13th
of
this
month.
That
would
be
much
appreciated
and
if
your
organizations
or
your
communities
are
having
you
know,
events
in
the
next
few
weeks
where
we
might
be
able
to
tag
along
and
present
and
just
answer
people's
questions
about
these
programs.
J
K
J
Yeah,
so
I
might
be
stealing
his
thunder
just
a
little
bit,
but
in
a
moment
we're
going
to
introduce
you
all
to
jad
who's.
The
new
staff
member
here
at
the
ura
and
he'll
be
heading
up
outreach
for
the
housing
department,
so
he
will
be
the
the
best
person
to
contact
about
you,
know
community
meetings
and
having
us
come
and
and
present
at
those,
so
don't
want
to
steal
any
more
of
jazz
thunder
so
I'll
pass
it
off
to
him,
but
he'll
be
the
best
contact
for
that.
Okay,
thank
you.
M
Yeah,
if
you
have
any
information
you
know
about
those
meetings,
feel
free
to
send
them
over.
My
email
is
in
the
agenda
at
some
point,
so
you
should
be
able
to
utilize
that
and
send
me
whatever
you
have,
but
we'd
be
happy
to
attend,
because
we
want
to
do
a
few
meetings
to
you
know
just
let
the
community
know
that
these
programs
are
going
to
be
available
again.
So
that
would
be
good.
If
you
have
one
already
set
up,
we
can
join
that
be
in
touch.
M
N
Prepared
but
yeah
I
mean
it's
an
exciting
opportunity.
I've
been
I've
enjoyed
working
with
the
advisory
board
since
we've
started,
and
you
know
just
hope
to
continue
doing
so,
and
we've
got
a
great
staff
kind
of
on
the
other
side
here
of
hopefully,
all
the
turbulence
that
the
first
couple
years
of
covid
and
I
think
we
can
really
up
our
game
and
help
to
keep
hof
rolling
and
make
it
even
more
vital
to
the
city's
affordable
housing
efforts.
N
So
yeah
my
hopefully
you
all
know
how
to
email
me
or
contact
me
email
me
call
me
whatever
you
want,
but
very
open
to
new.
O
N
N
Who's
joined
the
ura
in
the
last
few
weeks
and
we're
really
excited
to
have
jad
has
a
wealth
of
experience
in
just
program,
administration
and
community
outreach,
and
so
has
we
think,
there's
a
lot
of
good
stuff
in
store
for
both
this
upcoming
allocation
plan
and
just
moving
forward
with
how
we
kind
of
get
the
word
out
about
hof.
So
I'm
going
to
kick
it
back
over
to
chad.
N
To
you
know,
let
us
know
a
little
bit
more
about
himself
and
then
kind
of
what
his
immediate
plans
are
here
for
outreach.
M
Yeah,
thank
you
evan.
So,
like
derek
and
evan
had
mentioned,
I'm
jad
burns,
I'm
with
the
urban
redevelopment
authority,
I'm
the
new
housing
administration
and
community
outreach
coordinator.
I
think
that's
a
little
bit
different
of
a
title
than
my
predecessor,
but
I
am
replacing
the
tina,
so
I
will
be
working
with
all
of
you
quite
often
in
the
future.
M
So
I
did
speak
with
knowledge
yesterday
and
briefly
once
before,
and
we
want
to
work
with
the
marketing
and
outreach
committee
within
this
board
to
kind
of
coordinate
and
unify
how
we're
going
to
approach
outreach
activities.
So
that
is
something
that
knowledge
had
offered
to
set
up
a
meeting
between
us.
M
A
A
We
have
been
in
discussion
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
overlap
in
committee
members
between
the
fair
housing
team
and
the
community
outreach
team,
and
so,
since
part
of
fair,
the
fire
housing
conversation
is
having
actual
conversations
with
our
targeted
the
communities
that
we
hoped
that
we
endeavor
to
serve
some
of
the
conversations
overlapped.
A
So
these
so
these
ideas
in
this
discussion-
that's
where
some
of
it
has
generated,
but
it's
also
in
follow-up
to
some
of
the
things
that
we've
discussed
as
an
advisory
board
on
our
monthly
meetings
as
well.
So
in
terms
of
increasing
public
participation,
but
also
keeping
the
board
itself
engaged.
We
have
done
a
bit
of
discussion
about
the
structure
of
the
advisory
board
meetings,
whether
it's
more
helpful
to
be
online
exclusively.
A
I
think
at
this
juncture,
no
one's
really
necessarily
interested
in
doing
exclusively
in
person
meetings,
but
whether
or
not
we
wanted
to
shift
to
a
hybrid,
whether
or
not
9
a.m
works
well
for
both
advisory
members
and
for
the
community
at
large,
because
we
haven't
had
public
comment
in
quite
some
time,
whether
or
not
we
should
alternate
times
because
we
tend
to
think
of
evenings,
sometimes
as
being
more.
A
You
know
friendly
to
to
working
folks,
but
that
also
takes
the
assumption
that
folks
are
working
nine
to
five
jobs
versus
if
you're
in
retail
or
service
industry,
then
evenings
are
actually
when
you're
when
you're
working.
A
So
whether
or
not
we
wanted
to
alternate
times
the
frequency
of
meetings,
whether
or
not
we
should
perhaps
move
to
an
every
other
month
schedule
to
allow
for
more
work
to
happen
in
the
committees
themselves,
and
you
know
posting
of
the
agendas
etc,
making
sure
that
we
have
projects
to
vote
on,
and
you
know
setting
aside
those
two
hours
every
week.
Instead
of
you
know
half
hour
one
month
and
then
two
and
a
half
the
next
additional
public
comment
options
for
advisory
board
meetings.
A
Right
now
we
have
public
comment.
We
can
physically
do
not
physically
but
join
right
via
zoom
and
leave
up
and
share
your
public
comment
or
you
can
there's
an
email
feature
where
the
agenda
itself
is
posted,
and
so
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
whether
or
not
there's
a
way
to
have
that
be
a
feature
where
you
can
comment
on
the
page
itself
around
agenda
items
so
that
we
can
get
capture
feedback
there
as
well.
A
Something
that
we've
done
an
allocation
plan
previously
was
had
an
option
where
people
could
leave
feedback
for
the
allocation
plan
by
phone.
So
whether
or
not
that's
something
that
we
want
to
have
as
an
additional
option
for
a
public
comment
around
the
agenda
itself
and
then
yeah.
So
I.
A
One
of
the
other
things
that
we
discussed
was
changing
the
timeline
of
the
agenda
for
the
advisory
board
meetings,
so
that
we
would
send,
perhaps
about
a
week
before
the
meeting,
the
agenda
of
our
internal
items
for
discussion
and
then
as
they
come
in
because,
as
we
know,
development
projects
happen
kind
of
up
until
the
last
second,
and
we
did
not,
we
decided
to
have
rolling
applications
versus
having
a
cut
off,
which
means
that
sometimes
staff
is
working
on
those
packets
up
until
you
know
48
hours
before,
which
is
why
we
don't
get
the
packets
until
the
last
minute,
which
is
something
that
we're
discussing
having
our
what
we
would
like
to
discuss
as
a
board.
A
You
know
those
fair
housing
minutes,
these
sorts
of
things
a
week
or
so
in
advance,
so
people
could
generate
thoughts
on
it
and
then
put
out
the
agenda
as
it
relates
to
construction
projects
a
little
closer
to
the
deadline.
So
these
are
some
just.
So
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
we've
discussed.
Opening
it
up
for
comments,
suggestions,
feedback
discussion.
A
K
Certainly,
expanding
opportunities
for
public
comment
would
be
a
good
thing
and
means,
and
mechanisms
for
public
comment
would
be
a
good
thing.
K
As
far
as
alternating
meeting
times
my
organization
has
monthly
meetings,
we've
always
had
them
in
person
until
the
pandemic,
and
we
have
definitely
experienced
a
shift
in
who
who
participates
in
meetings
when
they're
in
person
versus
online.
Like
most
many
of
our
older
residents,
don't
participate
because
they're
not
comfortable
with
zoom
or
don't
like
the
interface
or
you
know
any
number
of
reading
reasons,
but
we
have
we've
gotten
other
residents
to
participate.
K
So
I
think
participation
in
a
hybrid
format
would
be
probably
better
than
even
in
person,
because
people
who
want
to
join
want
the
option
to
join
remotely
can
still
manage
families
can
manage
dinner
can
manage
whatever.
So,
if
that's
a
possibility,
I
think
that
would
probably
be
a
win.
F
Sonia
I
I
agree,
I
think
hybrid
options
are
important,
also
just
expanding
outside
of
meeting
time,
the
opportunity
for
folks
to
interface
with
the
hof,
whether
that's
you
know
we're
posting
a
bulletin
board
and
we're
asking
questions
and
we're
getting
feedback
or
we're
doing
some
of
the
some
of
the
tools
with
voting
via
text
on
things
or
being
able
to
participate,
sort
of
a
virtual
town
meeting
would
be
fantastic
and
I
definitely
support
getting
the
agenda
for
the
hof
meetings
earlier.
F
I
recognize
it's
difficult
if
we
have
projects
on
a
rolling
basis,
but
it's
hard
to
be
well
prepared
as
a
member
of
this
group,
if
we're
only
getting
something
the
day
before
or
two
days
before,
I
don't
feel
that
I
can
give
my
best
input
in
that
kind
of
format.
So
I
think
the
agenda
and
attached
meeting
materials
would
be
really
helpful
for
all
of
us
being
at
our
best.
For
the
conversation.
G
I
I
agree
with
the
the
hybrid
I
think
also
just
to
have
you
know
different
kind
of
discourse
and
and
conversation,
I
think
also
just
you
know,
having
a
different
outlet
for
the
community
to
engage.
I
think
there's
a
a
good
thing
about
having
a
set
time.
You
know
you
can
really
you
know
just
playing
your
schedule
and
and
things
around
it
as
opposed
to
being
alternating.
G
So
I'm
not
sure
about
that
aspect
and
I'm
sensitive,
although
I
understand
getting
the
information
sooner,
I'm
sensitive
to
ura
staffs,
you
know
just
kind
of
jobs
and
the
changing
nature
and
fluidity
of
the
industry,
and
that
may
really,
you
know,
require
or
put
a
lot
of
pressure
on
on
things
and
even
cause
further
delays.
G
Just
because
you
know
maybe
they
couldn't
send
it
out.
You
know
a
week
or
five
days
in
advance,
so
I'm
sensitive
to
that
I
would
I
would.
I
think
we
should
be
just
as
flexible.
So
I
understand
the
goal
being
getting
out
sooner,
but
if,
if
it's
a
case
where
it's
a
day
or
two
in
advance
for
something
that
you
know
that
needs
to
move
forward,
I
would
be
okay
with
that.
A
In
feedback,
I
guess
into
having
a
set
time
to
believe
that
9
a.m
is
the
time
city
council
meetings,
for
example,
start
at
10
and
there's
generally
people
there,
because
you
have
like
that
little
bit
of
buffer
in
terms
of
morning
transit
time
to
get
in.
I
don't
know.
If
that's
you
know,
if
we
do
one
time,
if
that's
something
we
want
to
consider.
Also
I
do
I'm
going
to
echo
some
of
derrick's
concerns
around
the
ability
to
get
some
to
get
these
agendas
out
in
a
to.
A
You
know
in
the
time
that
we
would
that
we
wouldn't
might
like
in
advance,
because
it
is,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
a
bi-month
that
a
you
know
bi-monthly
could
mean
every
other
month
or
twice
a
month,
but
the
every
other
month.
A
Version
of
my
monthly
meeting
schedule
was
one
of
the
suggestions
because
within
that
month
it
is
a
very
quick
turnaround
time
in
terms
of
following
up
on
what
was
brought
up,
discussed
action
items
in
the
meeting
getting
that
done
getting
having
committees
meet
in
that
month
and
then
also
getting
information
out
a
week
or
you
know
even
just
five
days
beforehand.
A
P
I
like
the
idea
of
10
o'clock.
This
is
paul
because
I'm
currently
in
transit,
taking
my
kids
to
school,
so
pittsburgh
public.
They
have
different
start
times.
So,
if
there's
anyone
else
that
has
children
that
are
in
that
later
start
time,
that's
just
something
I'd
like
to
throw
out,
but
I
do
like
the
10
o'clock
start
time.
I
also
think
that
you
know
if
we're
gonna
alternate,
then
a
three
o'clock
might
be
another
good
time
as
well.
F
I
don't
personally
have
a
preference,
but
what
we
did
hear
from
members
of
the
public
was
the
nine
o'clock
start.
Time
was
difficult,
certainly
the
issue
that
paul
raised
about
getting
kids
to
school
or
getting
to
work.
We
did
hear
a
lot
of
public
comment
about
the
nine
o'clock
start
time,
just
not
necessarily
working
for
a
lot
of
folks
who
would
like
to
participate,
but
cannot
you
know
manage
that
start
time.
A
One
thing
that
judd-
and
I
had
talked
about
that
I
think,
might
be
in
his
brought
up
in
another
date-
is
or
maybe
it's
a
net
farther
on
the
agenda,
but
is
around
the
allocation
plan.
That
is
our
biggest
opportunity
that
we've
had
thus
far
built
in
for
a
public
comment
and
feedback
and,
as
we
kind
of
you
know
not
not
whittle
down,
but
I
want
to
provide
the
public
with
some
options
in
that
survey.
A
Piece
to
to
you
know
to
weigh
in
on
how
they
would
like
to
interact,
which
features
they
might
find
useful
or
appropriate,
perhaps
start
times
or
even
if
they
want
to
get
involved
and
show
up
to
meetings.
But
those
are
some
of
the
types
of
things
that,
since
we're
trying
to
get
feedback
from
hundreds
of
people,
you
know
that
that
might
be
a
good
opportunity
to
double
to
double
up
there,
but
obviously
we
would
like
to
have
some
options
to
provide
them
with
multiple
choice
and
not
just
a
completely
open-ended
question.
A
So
I
think
that's
part
of
part
of
what
I
would
like
to
do
there
as
well.
Q
C
Q
I
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
starting
at
10
o'clock.
I
think
alternating
times
and
dates
can
be
a
little
challenging
for
me.
I
like
to
have
you
know
the
timing
in
there
that
I
can
kind
of
schedule
around
sort
of
piggybacking
on
what
derek
was
saying,
but
I
do
think
that
changing
the
time
might
allow
more
folks
to
come
for
public
comment
and
to
participate.
So
I
can
support
us
starting
at
10
o'clock.
C
I
mean
most
community
meetings
say
I
am
at
you
know
those
are
all
evening
and
that's
where
people
tend
to
turn
out
they're,
not
you
don't
hold
a
community
meeting
at
nine
in
the
morning.
If
you're,
you
know
to
a
neighborhood
worker,
you
know
community
development
sort
of
things
is
that
something
that
the
advisory
board
would
might
consider
is
doing
some
of
these
in
the
evening.
So
it's
a
maybe
a
lot
easier
and
we
could
do
things
with
child
care
folks
needed
that
we
could
maybe
provide
that
for
folks
that
were
coming
in
person.
C
G
I
I
think,
on
the
like
allocation
plan,
suggestions
and
kind
of
you
know
more
specialized
things
around
that
I
would
say
what
would
probably
be
better
to
have
like
maybe
evening
meetings
but
the
ongoing
monthly
meetings.
You
know,
which
is
almost
like
a
committee.
In
a
sense,
I
I
think
it's
better
in
the
morning.
That's.
I
I
Oh
sorry,
I
agree
with
derrick
and
dr
bay.
I
think
that
we
might
have
trouble
getting
attendance
from
mahoff
too
if
we
switch
to
evenings,
because
I
I
went
to
when
we
did
the
allocation
plan
meetings,
then
we're
leaving.
We
had
trouble
getting
advisory
board
participation
in
that.
So,
if
that
were
a
regular
monthly
meeting,
I
don't
think
that
would
function
that
well,
but
I
agree
that
it
would
be
good
to
do
special
listening
sessions
in
the
evening
for
specific
topics
where
we're
looking
for
community
feedback.
H
H
I
also
like
the
idea
of
maybe
like
a
quarterly
meeting
in
a
different
place
around
the
city.
Marketing
becomes
one
of
the
challenges,
but
you
know
going
into
the
community,
I
think,
is
a
is
a
beautiful
thing
and
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
increase
accessibility
right
to
the
process
and
to
the
information
so
that
people
impacted
are
part
of
the
discussion.
P
Sorry
kelly,
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
I
think
that
could
we
maybe
move
forward
on
the
the
idea
of
doing
three
community
meetings
in
the
evening
where
we
are
inviting
those
folks
to
come
out
and
have
public
comments
and
then
also
starting
our
meetings
at
10.
There
seems
like
there's
at
least
some
consensus
just
starting
there.
So
those
are
two
thoughts,
but
I
think
a
third
thought
just
as
far
as
other
public
comments
is.
P
There
are
ways
that
people
can
send
video
messages
in
or
video
comments
that
they
we
could
either
play
during.
You
know
our
meetings
or
that
that
we
could
have
reviewed
beforehand
or
something
along
those
lines
or
audio
messages.
If
we'd
like
to
do
that.
So
just
another
idea.
G
Yeah,
I
agree
with
dr
spradley
exactly
I
think.
Also
just
thinking
about
you
know
we're
in
a
technology
age.
I
understand
everyone
doesn't
have
technology,
that's
the
intent
around.
You
know
the
the
additional
public
meetings,
but
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
of
hybrid
is
to
make
it
more
accessible.
You
know
most
folks
do
have
a
smartphone.
G
I
think
the
other
thing
is,
you
know
having
a
a
voice
line
where
someone
could
leave
a
message
or
some
type
of
online
platform
where
they
can.
You
know
plug
in
some
feedback,
so
I
think
you
know
we
we
could
supplement
with
different
either
phone
or
or
technology
options
for
additional
input.
H
I
think
part
of
it,
too
is
inviting
people
to
public
comment,
so
who's
saying
like
to
those
that
participate
or
receive
funding.
Our
monthly
meeting
is
here.
Do
you
have
public
comment?
Come
tell
us
how
it's
working
or
not
working.
You
know
like
that's
something
that
we
could
be
doing
and
I
think
it
would
increase
communication.
I
think
people
just
don't
necessarily
know
you
know
how
or
why
to
plug
in
and
maybe
don't
feel
invited.
So,
in
addition
to
it
being
a
scheduling
thing,
I
think
it's
partly
just
a
communications
thing.
O
A
I'd
like
to
stitch
together
a
lot
of
these
comments
with,
I
think
in
part,
that's
why
we
have
regional
representatives
so
to
paul's
point
about
maybe
three
regional
meetings.
We
have
five
regional
representatives
on
the
hof
and
I
think
that
it
would
be
wonderful
if
not
by
yourself,
because
we
have
a
dad
now
right,
but
in
combination
create,
you
know,
create
a
community
meeting
in
each.
You
know
throughout
the
year
in
each
location.
A
Perhaps
that
is
both
that
talkback
session,
that
dr
bay
was
suggesting
and
is
also
an
opportunity
to
show
off
all
of
our
products
and
services,
so
it
could
be
like
hey.
Do
you
know
who
the
hof
is?
Do
you
know
what
we
offer?
These
are
some
of
the
things.
How
do
you
want
to
get
involved?
Let's
talk
about
your
needs,
etc
and
maybe
kind
of
solicit
that
participation
as
well.
I
think
there's,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
good
stuff
in
it.
A
I
think
that
there's
probably
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
layer
it
all
together
in
a
way
that
makes
sense,
and
it's
impactful
and
gets
us
a
lot
of
bang
for
our
for
our
time
book.
G
I
think
in
general
too,
typically,
you
hear
more
comments
publicly
when
the
public
disagrees
with
what
you're
doing
and
and
the
direction
that
it's
going,
not
hearing
as
much
you
know
tends
to
you
know
mean
that
there's
there's
less
disagreement,
not
saying
we
don't
still
establish
additional
outreach
opportunities,
but
just
that's
something.
To
always
be
aware
of
that,
you
know
less
less
kind
of
feedback.
You
know
typically
means
that
we're
generally
going
in
the
right
direction.
F
Sentiment-
and
I
think
you
know
customer
service
sort
of
shows
us
people,
people
voice
our
opinion
when
they're
really
happy
or
they're
really
discontented,
but
some
of
the
feedback
that
we've
gotten
in
different
meetings
is
that
folks
feel
that
the
public
comment
really
doesn't
go
anywhere
and
that
there's
there's
no
actual
dialogue
with
this
group.
So
some
folks
have
just
stopped
coming
because
they
feel
like
it's
not
valued,
and
it's
not
impactful.
F
H
A
Is
this
something
that
evan
I
don't
know
if
this
is
your
lane,
or
if
this
is
david
geiger,
do
we
need
to
vote
on
administrative
changes,
or
do
we
just
kind
of
wait
for
somebody
to
scream
no
and
then
move
forward?
If,
if
there
are
no
objections,.
N
N
I
do
think
that
you
know
chad
and
I
can
do
a
little
bit
of
light
work
here
on
what's
possible
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
like
we
use
the
city
channel
for
this
meeting
and
if
we
want
it
to
continue
to
be
public,
we
have
to
make
sure
there's
not
another
standing
meeting
kind
of
at
that
time,
or
we
can
maybe
find
a
list
of
times
where
there
is
a
recurring
opening
and
then
similarly,
if
we
were
to
want
to
do
hybrid
and
have
it
be
a
different
time,
we'd
have
to
make
sure
that
council
chambers
is
also
like
consistently
available.
N
So
I
do
think
we
have
to
just
do
a
little
bit
of
fact
finding
on
what's
possible,
but
it
is
noted
that
the
advisory
board's
desire
to
possibly
move
the
time
later
and.
N
That's
a
good
question
I
mean
they
could
be
at
ura.
I
don't
believe
it
was
legislated
that
it
had
to
be
a
city
council.
I
think.
N
Thinking
back
to
like
2018,
there
was
sort
of
a
desire
to
have
just
a
physical
separation
of
like
where
this
meeting
was
taking
place.
But
I
I
understand
you
know
a
lot
has
changed
in
that
time
and
if,
if
we
found
it
to
be
more
important
to
change
the
time.
O
N
And
city
council
chambers
was
not
really
a
good
option
for
that.
We
could
start
to
explore
the
ura's
basement
conference
room
or
something
like
that.
A
There
there
are
some
logistical
challenges:
unless
much
has
changed
in
the
last
three
years,
which
of
course,
a
lot
has
but
to
getting
anything
streamed.
That's
outside
of
city
council
chambers,
because
that
meeting
is
pre-wired.
They
like
we
did
public
hearings
in
under
2019
that
were
off-site.
They
they
had
to
show
up
early
with.
You
know
like
the
the
camera
crew
had
to
physically
go
and
remind
the
space
it
was.
It
was
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge,
so
that
might
be
part
of
the
rationale
again.
A
Logistics
could
be
different
now,
but
I
don't
believe
I'm
not
sure,
but
that
would
be
something
I
guess
that
they
would
also
need
to
check
so
for
july.
I
guess
we'll
keep
the
same
time
and
space,
and
then
we
have
a
report
for
july
perhap
for
what
we
can
do
for
august
and
moving
forward.
N
O
For
a
successful
hybrid
meeting,
you
definitely
have
to
take
kelly's
point
into
consideration.
You
don't
want
to
be
in
a
space
where
we're
all
looking
into
one
person's
laptop
and
trying
to
capture
everybody
in
the
room.
The
ability,
for
you
know
the
multiple
cameras
that
they
have
already
set
up
in
city
council.
Any
place
that
we
need
to
find
should
also
have
that.
Otherwise,
it's
just
a
weak
hybrid
experience
for
the
people
participating
online.
N
O
N
I
will
say
I
mean
anyone
who
the
ura
board
has
been
virtual
for
the
last
two
plus
years
and
I
think
the
what
I've
heard
from
the
person
who
administers
that
is
that
actually
doing
a
hybrid
meeting
is
a
lot
more
difficult
from
like
an
administrative
standpoint
having
some
people
unzoom
some
people
in
person.
So
I
do
want
to
be
cognizant
of
that,
but
there
there
could
be
some
challenges,
as
dr
bay
pointed
out
there.
So
we'll
want
to
be
mindful
of
that
as
well.
B
Great
okay,
so
that's
the
so
that's
the
first
piece
we.
A
The
rfp
is
in
progress
for
the
allocation
plan.
I
think
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
in
a
few
minutes.
Any
suggestions
changes
additions
to
that
other
than
some
community
feedback
around
how
they
would
like
to
interact
with
the
hof
and
even
any
specific
questions
for
that.
A
Please
send
those
to
chad
that
okay
and
he's
going
to
send
out
the
previous
year's
allocation
plans
as
well
for
us
to
review
so
that
we
have
that
front
of
top
of
mind
when
we're
reviewing
any
suggestions,
changes
or
additions
and
we'll
get
that
pulled
together
and
we'll
review
that
and
get
that
out
and
running
because
you
know
as
soon
as
the
calendar
year
starts
it's
time
to
start
thinking
about
how
we're
going
to
spend
the
next
year's
funds.
A
Also,
we
had
talked
about
briefly
in
terms
of
community
meetings
and
perhaps
getting
to
a
format
where
there
is
a
standalone
community
meeting
around
hof
participation
and
feedback,
and
what
we
do.
We
also,
as
we
are
shifting
to
hybrid
and
in-person
allocation
plan
meetings,
would
be
looking
for
a
number
of
advisory
board
members
to
physically
attend
those
meetings
that
are
held
in
person
to
get
that
feedback
and
participate
and
engage
with
the
community
at
those
meetings
as
they
are
scheduled.
A
So
if
you
would
let
chad
know
if
you
are
interested
in
doing
community
meetings
and
if
the
list
is
short,
then
we'll
start
calling
on
folks.
But
if
you
are,
you
know
if
that's
something
that
you're
definitely
interested
in,
let
chad
know
there
are
17
of
us.
So
not
everybody
necessarily
will
need
to
do
one,
but
it'd
be
also
nice
if
we
doubled
up-
and
there
were
a
couple
of
hof
members
present
at
community
meetings.
So
again
let
chad
know
if
you're
interested
in
that.
A
If
not,
we
will
we'll
call
on
folks,
but
it
would
be
great
if
everybody
was
able
to
take
at
least
one
meeting,
because
they
think
we
should
even
if
you're
participating
virtually
because
I
believe
some
might
be
hybrid
sessions.
But
we
would
want
for
folks
to
see
that
we're
out
here
that
we
care
and
for
us
to
be
able
to
get
that
direct
feedback
rather
than
just
having
it
channeled
through
a
form
and
thoughts
comments.
Suggestio
suggestions
on
any
of
that.
A
Okay,
now
we'll
move
on
to
committee
reports
for
anyone
who
has
met
since
our
april
meeting.
R
So
good
morning
we
this
is,
I
mean
I'm
up
representing
other
I'm
actually
the
chair
of
the
of
two
of
them,
actually,
which
one
is
it
the
marketing
outreach
but
the
the
aafh
sorry
committee.
We
did
meet
twice
actually
and
I
think,
as
a
result
of
our
meetings.
I
think
it
was
going
to
be
a
afh
presentation
today,
so
I
didn't
really
get
prepared
to
like
present.
R
So
I
don't
know
if
someone
else
when
the
community
is
interested
in
giving
a
large
rundown
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about,
I
mean
I
can.
I
can
go
through
my
notes
really
quickly,
but
I
don't
know
if
adrian,
if
you
wanted
to
talk
or
even
kelly.
A
About
a
few
of
them
integrated
and
throughout
the
agenda,
one
thing
that
we
megan
alluded
to
briefly
is
that
we
are
going
to
aim
to
have
some
metrics
to
review,
because
we
for
july
often
we
can
look
at
things
and
say:
hey
we
closed
this
many
homes
in
this
area.
But
what
does
that
mean?
Is
that
actually
moving
the
needle?
And
what
might
a
goal
look
like
to
actually
close
those
gaps,
so
we
can
actually
measure
for
success
instead
of
you
know,
oh
great,
we
did
50
houses.
A
Does
that
move
the
needle?
Yes,
no
move
it
in
the
right
direction.
Does
that
close
any
gaps
and
kind
of
set
some
targets
around
fair,
fair
housing
in
all
of
its
forms?
And
so
that's
something
that
we're
looking
to
have
done
for
july
and
I
think
the
rest
of
it
might
have
been
integrated
in
throughout.
I
don't
know
adrian
joanna
mark
if,
if
we've
missed
anything
else,
thus
far,
a
lot
of
community
outreach
was
topic
as
well.
C
B
All
right,
I
think,
that's
it
for
committee
reports
unless
there's
any
questions
for
the
affh
group.
R
I
will
say
this
that,
even
though
the
marketing
outreach
committee
did
not
meet
because
there
was
some
change
in
the
ura
staff,
we
will
plan
to
meet
up
coming
up
soon.
So
hopefully
we
can
circle
back
to
some
of
those
activities
and
look
forward
to
giving
you
a
report.
I
know
jan
has
some
things
to
share,
but
I'm
looking
forward
to
connecting
with
that
team
and
really
having
a
robust
conversation
coming
up
soon.
B
A
Expenditures
updates
and
forecasting,
which
is
exciting.
M
And
I
will
start
off
this
segment
by
just
mentioning
that
you
know
a
lot
of
my
focus
since
I've
started
has
been
on
the
outreach
plan
and
getting
the
annual
report
kicked
off.
So
a
lot
of
the
data
and
metrics
I
don't
have
available
for
this
month,
but
we're
just
going
to
give
a
brief
rundown
of
these
couple
items
here
and
I'll
hand
it
off
to
derek.
J
Thank
you,
chad,
yeah.
I
wanted
to
provide
you
know
since
we
are
reopening
the
program
and
we've
had
some
questions
from
advisory
board
members
over
the
last
few
months
about
the
homeowner
assistance
program
and
just
you
know,
projecting
you
know
what
what
would
it
really
take
if
we
were
to
keep
the
program
open
all
the
time
year
round
from
a
funding
perspective.
J
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
some
brief
comments
on
that,
so
yeah
just
to
give
everyone
a
picture
currently
of
of
what
the
wait
list
for
the
homeowner
assistance
program
looks
like.
J
We
currently
have
188
homeowners
that
are
on
the
list,
but
all
of
those
homeowners,
you
know
are
quote
unquote,
funded
from
the
different
hof
allocation
years
that
we've
re.
You
know
an
allocation
tranches
that
we've
received.
You
know
from
2019
2020
2021
2022
allocations
for
the
homeowner
assistance
program.
J
You
know
so
they're
all
funded,
but
that
left
us
with.
You
know
no
money
for
this
program
until
until
we
received
this
year's
funds
a
few
weeks
ago
last
year,
just
to
give
a
sense.
When
we
had
the
program
open
for
applications,
we
received
approximately
200
applications
and
with
the
funding
we
had
from
the
2021
application
our
allocation
year,
we
were
able
to
approve
79
out
of
those
200
applications
so
and
then,
going
into
this
year,
you
know
opening
up
with
the
allocation
that
we
have
for
the
homeowner
assistance
program.
J
You
know
we'll
be
able
to
approve
and
accept
an
additional
62
applications,
but
we
do
expect.
You
know
that
we
probably
will
receive
another
200
to
300
some
applications
this
year
as
well.
So
you
know
the
need
certainly
outstrips
you
know
the
allocations
that
we've
been
able
to
receive
for
this
program.
Historically,
you
know-
and
it
really
you
know
it
looking
at
that.
You
know
just
in
broad
terms.
You
know
it
to
keep
the
program
open
year
round
and
continue
to
accept
applications.
J
You
know
we
would
probably
you
know
just
based
on
the
applications
that
we
have
received
each
year.
You
know
we'd
be
looking
at
something
like
a
10
million
dollar
program
instead
of
a
2.5
million
dollar
or
a
2
million
dollar
program
each
year.
Now.
That
being
said,
you
know
everyone
on
that
wait
list.
You
know
that
I
mentioned
a
moment
ago.
You
know
those
are
not
all
people
who
have
been
served.
J
You
know,
those
are
all
people
who
we
have
funding
for
and
their
projects
are
in
the
queue
and
we
will
be
serving
them,
but
you
know,
I
think,
an
issue
related
to
just
how
much
funding
we
have
for
the
program.
Is
you
know
our
capacity
and
ability
based
on
the
contractors
that
we
have
connections
with
and
who
are
interested
in
being
a
part
of
this
program?
You
know
the
actual
capacity
to
get
through
all
of
the
projects
that
are
on
that
waiting
list.
J
So
you
know,
I
think
we
would
need
significantly
more
funding
if
we
were
to
attempt
to
keep
the
program
open
for
applications
all
the
time,
but
that
wouldn't
solve
the
the
second
piece
where
you
know
we
would
have
an
ever
growing
and
expanding
waiting
list,
but
we
still
wouldn't
be
getting
through
projects.
J
Any
faster
so
instead
of
188
people
on
a
waiting
list,
we
would
probably
be
you
know
getting
into
a
much
higher
number
of
people
who
are
waiting
for
services
and
those
people
may
be
waiting
a
much
longer
time
period
before
they
actually
received.
You
know
the
services
through
the
program.
Currently
you
know
everybody
who's
on
the
waiting
list
does
receive
services
and
assistance.
J
You
know
within
roughly
within
a
year
of
applying,
which
is
a
significant
wait
time,
but
if
we
were
to
continue
to
expand
the
number
of
people
who
are
on
the
waiting
list
that
wait
time
would
get
a
lot
longer.
J
So
that's
just
a
brief
snapshot
of
the
the
current
status
of
that
program,
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
any
questions
about
that.
But
I
just
wanted
to
provide
that
as
a
brief
update.
K
J
We
definitely
could
have
approved
more
sonya.
That's
a
really
good
question.
You
know
there
are
a
significant
number
of
applications
that
we
receive
that
are
ineligible,
but
we
definitely
could
have
approved
a
lot
more
than
79.
K
J
No,
and
that's
since
you
know
we
we
run
out
of
funding,
you
know
don't
want
to
take,
you
know
and
approve
applications.
We
don't
have
funds
to
support
and
because
it
takes,
you
know
at
least
a
year
for
us
to
open
those
application
rounds
again.
J
So
if
they're,
if
we're
not
able
to
approve
their
application,
then
we
do
shred
all
of
that
information
that
they've
given
us
so
that
we
don't
have
the
private
information
of
residents.
You
know
if
we're
not
going
to
be
using
it.
J
K
But
I
understand
their
point
about
not
wanting
to
keep
their
private
information
around,
but
it
seems
like
there
should
be.
Maybe
maybe
wait
lists
for
those
that
are
funded
is
not
really.
The
correct
term
waitlist
to
me
seems
like
that
would
be
more
appropriate
for
those
who
could
have
been
funded,
even
if
they
have
to
resubmit.
K
J
I
think
you
make
a
good
point
sonia
and
you
know
waiting
list,
perhaps
isn't
the
right
term,
no
a
waiting
to
be
served
list
or
a
you
know.
An
approved
list
might
be
a
better
way
to
talk
about
it.
You
know
I
do
hear
what
you're
saying
can.
B
A
Just
keep
keep
their
contact
information
to,
let
them
know,
perhaps
even
just
like
a
week
before
you
know,
before
applications
open
to
submit
a
new
application
for
the
new
process,
so
that
they're
not
hearing
about
it.
So
you
know
our
windows
of
when
they're
open
is
fairly
short
and
they
could
miss
it.
The
next
the
next
year.
K
That's
really
what
I'm
suggesting
that,
not
that
we
keep
their
information
and
just
kind
of
process
it,
because
you're
right
it
gets
outdated
people
change
jobs.
All
sorts
of
things
can
happen,
but
that
case
yeah.
A
K
Yeah,
by
the
way
this
is
going
to
open
in
three
weeks
and
because
you
were
on
our
list,
we
were
wondering
if
you've,
maybe
you've
gotten
a
home
equity
loan,
or
you
know
some
other
program.
But
if
you're
still
interested,
you
have
a
window
to
get
your
information
in
before
we
open
it
up
to
the
general
public.
J
I
I
think,
that's
doable.
To
be
honest,
I
think
that
that
is
something
we
could
implement.
We
don't
have
that
information
from
last
year,
but
we
could
certainly
start
to
do
that
in
this
in
this
year's
round
of
applications.
I
think
that's,
that's.
Certainly
a
really
good
suggestion.
H
I
think
that's
critical,
I
think
it'd
be
pretty
infuriating
to
have
to
apply
all
over
again
it's
a
big
process
and
if
you
know
I
gave
you
all
my
information,
I
trusted
you
with
it.
I
don't
see
why
you
know
you
can't
hold
on
to
that.
J
B
A
Sounded
like
you
said,
the
need
would
be
could
be
the
full
10
million
dollars
if
we
were
to
not
if
we
were
to
be
able
to
keep
it.
If
there
were
enough
contractors
and
we
were
able
to
just
keep
it
moving
on
on
an
ongoing
basis
that
10
mil
would
do
it.
But
then
we
of
course,
would
have
a
contractor
shortage
which
would
not
actually
keep
people
moving,
but
that,
at
least
on
the
funding
end
that
that
that's,
the
that's
seems
like
the
number.
J
At
least
with
the
information
that
we
have,
you
know,
because
you
know
300
200
to
300
applications
is
what
we've
received
each
year
for
the
last
couple
of
years,
but
that's
only
you
know
we
take
those
applications
for
one
month,
so
the
need
could
quite
possibly
be
much
much
larger
than
that.
So.
J
So
I
don't
think
we
have
a
good
sense
of
what
the
trend
need
is,
but
what
we
can
say
is
we
do
receive.
On
average,
you
know
anywhere
between
around
200
300
applications
each
year.
H
Okay
and
talk
about
people
that
probably
aren't
going
to
come
out
for
public
comment
that
have
a
serious
need
that
have
been
waiting
a
long
time.
I
know
people
that
have
died
while
waiting
on
this
list-
and
you
know
I
know
that's
more
morbid,
but
you
know
folks,
are-
are
real
and
are
facing
challenges.
So
I
I
wish
our
capacity
was
greater
for
this.
I
wish
we
had
more
money.
H
Like
mark
said,
you
know
this
is
part
of
making
that
case,
because
I
can
tell
you
60
people
in
my
neighborhood
that
need
home
repairs.
You
know
just
we're
talking
about
60
for
the
whole
city
so
and
have
you
seen
a
lot
of
people
with
barriers
around
their
title
and
are
they
getting
referred?
Are
they
getting
help.
J
We
do
see
we
do
see
some
of
that
joanna,
it's
not
a
lot,
but
when
we
do
get
a
case
like
that,
we've
been
able
to
connect
those
folks
with
the
legal
assistance
program
and
the
tangle
title
services
that
the
hof
funds
are
also
supporting
and
that's
worked
out
really
well.
J
Great
well,
I
do
want
to
introduce
andrea
bustos
from
dhs
who
will
provide
just
a
brief
update
on
the
housing
stabilization
program
and
how
how
that
has
been
faring.
You
know,
since
we
transitioned
the
coordination
and
management
of
that
program
over
to
dhs
so
andrea.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
today
and
I'll
kick
it
over
to
you.
L
All
right
thanks
eric
and
I'm
echoing,
so
I
hope
that
it
sounds
okay
for
you
and
it's
just
bad
for
me.
So,
as
you
have
mentioned,
I'm
andrea
bustos.
I
am
the
administrator
of
resource
navigation
and
community
supports
at
dhs.
L
L
The
most
relevant
piece
of
data
to
share
with
you
all
is.
In
the
past
two
months,
we've
seen
a
44
increase
in
calls
relating
to
rental
assistance,
so
ra
is
comprised
of
both
eviction,
prevention
and
new
move-ins,
so
first
one's
around
security
deposits
we're
seeing
about
a
50-50
split
currently
in
calls
where
eviction
prevention
and
new
moves
are
being
discussed
from
august
2021.
L
When
we
took
over
coordinated
entry
through
march,
we
had
only
been
averaging
about
20
households
that
were
eligible
and
targeted
to
be
placed
on
the
waitlist
for
hsd,
of
course,
due
to
erupt
april
and
may
have
now
seen
around
50
households.
So
we
did
a
pretty
big
jump
and
I
have
a
sneaking
suspicion.
L
That
june
will
be
a
bigger
jump
than
that,
and
I
will
of
course
bring
that
information
back
to
share
the
current
providers
within
hsp,
with
their
combined
capacity,
are
averaging
a
total
of
15
households
being
requested
a
month
to
serve
that
is
obviously
pretty
low.
L
We
do
have
two
providers
that
are
consistently
handling
those
households
and
we
have
three
providers
that
are
now
ramping
up
capacity
to
accept
more
and
I'm
optimistic
that
that
would
happen
by
mid-june
and
just
another
brief
reminder
that
households
that
reach
out
to
us
and
are
within
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
we
do
always
target
and
screen
for
hsp.
First,
that's,
obviously
the
most
flexible
program,
but
the
majority
of
the
households
are
seemingly
in
need
of
more
assistance
than
hsp
can
provide.
L
It
can
give
a
little
bit
more
in
eviction
prevention
and
then
also
assists
with
rent
moving
forward
for
a
longer
period
of
time
and
also
assist
in
re-housing
folks.
If
the
eviction
can't
be
prevented,
we're
seeing
about
75
households
active
on
the
wait
list
right
now,
so
that
is
why
my
fingers
and
toes
and
eyes
everything
is
crossed
for
mid-june
for
those
providers
to
have
additional
capacity
to
take
those
on.
So
again,
I'm
hoping
the
next
time.
I
give
a
an
update
to
this
board.
L
We
will
have
a
bigger
number
served
and
less
folks
on
the
wait
list
again
trying
to
be
very
optimist
today,
but
otherwise
going
well
we're
just
you
know,
trying
to
absorb
this
bump
in
volume
and
hoping
that
there
isn't
a
huge
increase
in
june.
But
that's
my
suspicion.
J
Thank
you,
chad.
I
wanted
to
provide
a
very
brief
update
on
the
legal
assistance
program.
Just
you
know,
sort
of
where
you
know
we
are
in
terms
of
spending
down
the
funds
for
that
program
and
also
just
kicking
up
that
we
will
have
a
much
larger
update
on
this
program
at
the
july
meeting,
but
did
just
want
to
briefly
go
over.
J
J
You
know
we
have
spent
down
at
this
point
about
a
quarter
of
that
amount
about
yeah
about
300,
000
or
so,
and
there's
a
couple
of
reasons
for
that.
I
think
you
know
to
piggyback
off
what
andrea
was
saying.
You
know.
I
think
that
there
wasn't
as
much.
You
know
demand
that
we've
seen
for
this
program
over
the
last.
You
know
few
months,
because
e-wrap
was
still
a
resource
that
people
could
utilize.
J
You
know
if
they
were
facing
eviction
or
running
into
legal
issues
with
their
landlords,
but
as
that
program
you
know
winds
down
this
year.
You
know,
I
do
think
you
know:
we've
started
to
see
things
pick
up
and
we've
also
been
working
with
the
legal
assistance
program
providers
to
come
up
with
some
new
strategies
to
make
the
program
more
effective
and
to
make
the
providers
more
accessible
to
you
know,
tenants
who
who
are
in
the
eviction
filing
process,
and
so
that
would
be
our
update
for
the
july
meeting.
J
Is
we
do
want
to
kind
of
you
know
present
our
plan.
You
know
for
the
rest
of
2022
how
how
we
think
this
program
can
be
more
effective
and
how
we're
going
to
be
pivoting
the
program
so
that
there's
more
touch
points.
You
know
in
the
eviction
courts
in
the
judges,
offices
and
different
places
where
tenants-
and
you
know,
residents
will
be
able
to
connect
with
these
legal
assistance
providers
and
and
receive
the
assistance
that
they
need
and
from
them.
J
So
that's
the
update
that
we
have
for
today
with
a
lot
more
to
come
in
july.
B
Okay,
any
questions
for
derrick.
G
Yeah
or
are
there
other
agencies
local?
What
clearly
dha,
but
that
you
know
focused
on
this
and
and
have
you
know
a
lot
more
funding
than
then
we
we
do
I'm
wondering
should
this
is
just
kind
of
a
question
I've
been
having
to
myself,
because
I
think
we're
trying
to
do
a
lot
with
with
minimal
funds,
but
is,
is
there
another
organization,
maybe
it's?
G
Maybe
it's
just
dhs
or
dha-
that
really
we
should
be
more
referring
folks
to
as
as
opposed
to
trying
to
administer
and
and
do
these
services
as
well.
Just
just
curious
of
that
question.
J
Yeah
thanks
derek
and
I
think
what
we're
seeing
with
hsp
and
with
lap
to
some
extent
is
that
there
has
been
another
resource.
J
You
know
for
the
last
18
months
or
a
little
bit
longer
than
that,
and
that's
been
the
emergency
rental
assistance
program
or
e-wrap,
which
was
a
federally
funded
program
that
was
created
in
response
to
everything
that
we've
been
seeing
with
the
pandemic
and
how
that
was
affecting
people's
housing
stability,
but
that
program
and
the
federal
funds
that
were
driving
it
are
drying
up
and
that
program
is
going
to
be
shutting
down
this
summer.
J
So
I
think
there
has
been
this
resource
that
a
lot
of
people
have
been
utilizing,
but
that's
going
to
be
going
away
and
once
it
goes
away,
you
know
hsp
and
lap.
You
know
that
that
we
are
funding
through
the
housing.
Opportunity
fund
will
be
some
of
the
only
resources
within
the
city
that
people
will
be
able
to
access
for
these
types
of
needs.
So
there
has
been
something,
but
that
that
something
is
going
to
be
disappearing
in
the
next
few
months.
L
And
this
is
andrea
again.
I
do
want
to
speak
to
the
fact
that
dhs
we
do
have
additional
funding
streams
for
rental
assistance.
Both
eviction
prevention
and
new
moves
they're,
a
little
more
difficult
to
access
with
a
little
bit
more
eligibility
tied
to
them
because
they
are
federal
funds
and
state
funds.
So
hsb
has
always
been
the
most
flexible
and
accessible
of
financial
assistance
programs.
L
So
that's
why
we
definitely
target
there
first
for
the
city,
but
we
do
have
funding
homeless
assistance
program
funding
from
the
state.
We
have
the
esg
funding
I
talked
about
earlier.
L
G
And
could
could
hsp
well
hof
hsp
funds
be
a
bridge
being
that
they're
flexible,
be
a
bridge
to
you
know,
just
until
the
federal
funds
are
are
drawn
down,
so
a
bridge
to
support
someone,
but
because
that
will
take
a
longer
process.
We
use
this,
but
ultimately
those
funds
will
be
replaced.
Is
that
is
that
an
option.
G
Okay,
I
think
it's
a
longer
question,
but
you
you
helped
answer
my
question.
For
the
most
part,
we
can
follow
up
later
to
get
more
more
clarity
around
that,
but
but
I
think
I
understand
thank
you.
K
Thanks,
I
I
did
just
want
to
clarify
that
the
e-wrap
program
has
ended
the
last
month
that
rent
is
being
paid
is,
is
may
was
may,
and
so
I
think
that's
really
what
was
undergirding
andrea's
concern
about
an
uptick
in
june
for
requests,
but
I
also
wanted
to
sort
of
question
the
flexibility
of
our
hsp
program,
because
the
e-wrap
program
was
was
very
flexible
in
that,
as
I
understand
it,
you
really
have
to
prove
a
connection
to
kovid,
but.
K
It
was
easier
to
get
approved
for
e-rep
than
even
for
our
program
and
then
the
esg
and
the
other
programs
that
I
think
andrea
mentioned
are
probably
are
harder,
and
so
I
wonder
if
we
need
to
revisit
our
structure
for
hsp
if
we're
really
wanting
to
be
more
helpful,
more
flexible,
given
that
that
the
options
are
few
and
that
e-wrap
is
just
going,
it's
gone
away.
F
That's
a
great
point
sonia,
and
I
think
it
really
ties
to
our
conversations
that
we're
going
to
be
having
related
to
allocations.
F
Maybe
there
are
some
things
about
each
individual
program
that
don't
make
sense
in
our
current
context,
both
because
of
rising
costs,
which
obviously
the
developers
have
raised,
and
that's
coming
back
in
that
developer
session.
But
also
you
know
what
our
dollars
are
doing
in
the
market
and
how
they
may
need
to
just
actually
have
impact.
C
N
C
That
you
know,
maybe
we
should
you
know.
I
think
this
is
what
you're
saying
sonia,
but
looking
at
hey
could
we
use
our
funds
that
are
going
to
hsp
and
just
basically
do
a
non-coven
version
of
era,
and
you
know
really
be
flexible
and
be
fast.
C
You
know
millions
they're,
whatever
we're
allocating
to
hsp
is
probably
not
going
to
be
enough,
but
right.
You
know
it
at
least
would
be
maybe
more
helpful
and
easier
to
get
the
funds
to
the
folks
that
need
it.
A
Maybe
it's
part
of
the
allocation
plan
process.
We
should
sorry
to
make
more
more
work
but
create
some
sort
of
spreadsheet
around
eligibility
guidelines
so
that
we
can
kind
of
look
at
everything
at
once
as
to
you
know
who
qualifies
for
what
under
what
program,
maybe
not,
as
maybe
a
spreadsheet's,
not
the
answer,
but
you
know
some
sort
of
cheat
sheet
that
doesn't
involve
looking
at
all
every
single
application
as
to
who
it's
for
and
what
the
eligibility
criteria
is
and
see.
A
If
there
is
opportunity
to,
you
know,
be
flexible
enough
to
meet
the
needs
as
they
as
they
develop.
If
we
can,
you
know
july
is
getting
full,
but
you
know
have
that
in
place
before
we
start
to
allocate
money
in
and
say
august.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful,
at
least
for
for
me.
A
Nobody's
shaking
their
head
violently
unless
they're
off
camera,
so
if
we
could
maybe
maybe
work
on
what
that
would
look
like
moving
forward,
but
if
we
can
start
to
assemble
those
guidelines
in
one
place,
that
would
be
fantastic.
A
I
think
that's
it
for
expenditures
and
updates.
We
don't
have
our
our
flagged
map
this
month,
as
jed
had
alluded
to
earlier,
he's
been
really
diving
in,
as
this
is
allocation
season,
community
outreach
and
our
annual
report
season
it
all
within
his
first
month.
That's
kind
of
I
think
where
his
focus
has
been.
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
anything
if
there
are
any
other
expenditures
and
updates
that
involve
anything
else,
evan.
A
N
A
Like
I'm
getting
better
at
it,
but
that
might
it's
probably
in
my
head.
So
I
think
that
concludes
our
agenda
other
than
any
updates
or
announcements
same
bat
time
same
bat
channel
first
thursday,
at
9
00
a.m
for
next
month
and
we'll
explore
some
options.
Now
that
we
kind
of
know
what
direction
we
want
to
head
in.
For
that
meeting
to
be
able
to
announce
those
in
advance
of
august
and
any
other.
F
I
just
wanted
to
thank
megan
again
for
doing
a
presentation
and
her
diligence
of
of
sticking
with
us
at
the
hof
and
bringing
this
information
forward
and
helping
us
think
through
our
work
in
these
different
lenses.
So
thank
you
again
to
megan
for
presenting
and
to
andrea
for
joining
us
and
giving
us
that
update
on
where
we
are
with
dhs.
P
Kelly
quick
question:
will
these
community
meetings
is
that
something
that
the
hof
board
will
come
up
with
is?
Will
this
be
a
committee?
Is
this
something
that
happens.
A
Committee
outreach
team
also
led
by
knowledge,
who
I'm
sure
would
welcome
assistance
on
on
that,
but
also
in
combination
with
jad.
I
believe
it
has
been
outlining
this
community
engagement
plan
and
I
think
we
might
be
getting
further
into
the
weeds
with
that
in
july,
but
also,
if
you're
in
in
the
meantime,
I
think,
as
we're
planning
things
out
if
you're
interested
in
the
participating
in
any
of
those
meetings
or
even
if
you
want
to
you're,
not
a
neighborhood
rep.
But
I
live
on
the
north
side.
A
So
it
might
make
sense
for
me
to
sign
on
to
participate
and
something
here
get
that
information
to
chad
as
well,
because
I
think
we
might
have
a
schedule
where
we
could
have
some
folks
plugged
in
going
forward
but
yeah.
So
you
can
either
reach
out
to
jad
or
knowledge
on
specifics
on
that
and.
M
M
Did
speak
with
knowledge
and
we
are
planning
to
meet
together
to
kind
of
coordinate
our
outreach
efforts.
So
I
would,
you
know,
highlight
what
kelly
said
as
well.
If
you
want
to
participate
and
have
input
in
that
in
that
committee,
I
recommend
that
you
would
join
us
and
let
knowledge
now
so
whenever
we
send
out
the
invite
for
that
meeting,
you
guys
can
attend.
A
I
think
that
just
the
way
we've
you
know,
woken
up
in
the
last
35
minutes
is
case
in
point
for
why
we
should
start
at
10
o'clock.
You
know
everybody's
a
little
bit
more
caffeinated
at
this
hour,
but
no
further
ado.
If
there
are
no
other
announcements
or
questions,
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn.