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From YouTube: Our Neighbor's Keeper: Sam Black & Khamil Scantling
Description
On this episode of Our Neighbor's Keeper, Josiah Gilliam talks with Sam Black & Khamil Scantling.
A
A
Hello,
everybody
happy
friday,
happy
juneteenth
and
thank
you
for
checking
out
this
conversation.
Welcome
to
those
that
are
checking
us
out
live
on
facebook
and
those
are
following
us.
After
the
fact.
We
really
appreciate
it
today
have
a
con
opportunity
to
have
a
conversation
with
two
amazing
people
that
live
here
in
pittsburgh.
Do
a
lot
of
really
cool
work
excited
to
have
this
opportunity
to
dig
deeper
into
what
they
do
and
also
bring
attention
to
a
lot
of
great
activities
happening
in
our
region.
A
Resources
think
thoughts
on
community
and
things
like
that.
My
name
is
josiah
gilliam.
I
work
for
the
city
of
pittsburgh
in
the
mayor's
office
and
I
run
the
mike
brothers
keeper
initiative,
which
is
black
and
men,
black
men
and
voice
focused,
but
it's
collective
impact.
A
lot
of
what
we
try
to
do
is
highlight
work
that
happens
in
the
community
and
participate
in
community
reading
functions.
Doing
that
work
in
a
place
like
pittsburgh
means
that
you're
often
finding
out
about
cool
stuff,
and
you
just
have
to
point
to
it.
A
B
Okay,
so
I
am
camille
scantling
founder
of
cocopreneur
loc,
a
black
business,
consultancy
and
advocacy
business.
The
work
that
I
do
is
mostly
centered
around
the
black
business
directory
called
the
cocopreneur
directory
that
features
black
owned
businesses
in
the
greater
pittsburgh
area.
I
I
think
that
kind
of
sums
it
up.
A
Wonderful,
so
we're
going
to
have
a
chance
to
dig
into
the
work
that
you
each
do
and
it's
history,
but
today's
special
today
is
not
just
friday,
but
it's
also
juneteenth
and
it's
a
special
moment
to
recognize
and
acknowledge
history,
and
certainly
I
don't
know
about
youtube.
But
I've
been
seeing
a
lot
of
folks
sharing
out
information
about
this.
There
seems
to
be
an
awakening
around
awakening
around
what
this
holiday
means
and
what
it's
about
so
camille.
A
B
This
is
actually
two
years
two
and
a
half
years
after
emancipation
proclamation
was
actually
signed.
So
this
was
a
huge
slap
in
the
face
to
the
actual
inaction
of
enforcing
the
emancipation
proclamation.
So
in
january
of
1863,
when
the
emancipation
proclamation
was
actually
signed
by
abraham
lincoln,
the
civil
war
was
still
going
on,
and
while
it
was
a
declaration
to
free
all
enslaved
people
in
confederate
states,
because
the
war
was
still
going
on,
many
people
took
their
time
to
actually
free
their
enslaved
folks.
B
So
not
only
was
it
galveston
texas,
but
just
across
the
south
in
the
confederacy
people
took
their
time
actually
freeing
enslaved
people.
So
this
is
actually
something
that
you
kind
of
see
going
forward
even
to
today,
while
there
might
be,
you
know,
laws
on
the
books
or
common
practices.
Some
americans
do
what
they
want,
because
they
can
with
juneteenth
the
way
it
is
celebrated.
It
started
in
galveston
texas,
because
that
was
kind
of
the
final
act
of
emancipation.
B
It
started
there
and
kind
of
branched
out.
It
started
to
get
more
popular
in
the
1950s
and
60s
during
the
civil
rights
movement.
When
people
started
to
look
for
more
ways
to
express
their
black
pride
june,
tink
became
a
lot
more
popular
than
so.
We
see
that
happening
again
around
the
late
80s.
When
again,
people
are
starting
to
kind
of
find
this
empowerment
and
their
blackness.
We
see
it
happening
again
now,
and
it
just
seems
like
every
time
something
tragic
happens
to
us.
B
We
have
to
find
ways
to
promote
our
blackness
and
to
care
and
love
ourselves.
The
way
we
should
so
juneteenth
is
this
celebration
of
our
history.
It's
a
celebration
of
our
culture,
it's
a
celebration
of
our
endurance
being
here
in
america,
where
we
are
often
times
mistreated,
so
that
is
the
history
of
juneteenth.
It's
very
dark,
but
still
celebratory,
because
we're
still
here.
A
That
information
was
withheld
from
them
and
there's
all
kinds
of
associated
stories
about
attempts
to
make
that
known
and
folks
getting
murdered
and
getting
you
know
the
message
getting
derailed
and
stuff
like
that,
and
it
speaks.
I
think,
too,
to
this
idea
of
freedom
as
a
as
a
mentality
and
and
related
to
access
to
information.
B
B
So
that's
part
of
like
this
allyship
that
people
talk
about
now
right,
so
we
can
do
as
much
as
we
can
as
black
people
to
fight
systems
of
oppression,
but
it
does
take
everybody
and
it
takes
people
actually
jumping
in
and
saying
we
know
this
isn't
right,
you
know
it's
not
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
it
alone.
It's
going
to
take
the
entire
system,
also
realizing
that
even
the
emancipation
proclamation-
and
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
relevant
later
on
in
the
conversation-
was
more
about
economics
than
anything
else.
B
A
C
So
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
there
hasn't
been
much
change
in
the
way
of
black
bodies
being
enslaved
for
america's
profit
right,
so
a
lot
of
times,
people
are
just
like
well
slavery's
over.
You
know,
let's
get
past
that,
and
let's
talk
about
how
we
move
forward
when
in
actuality
there
are
a
lot
of
black
bodies
that
are
enslaved
within
the
prison
system.
A
lot
of
brands
make
their
money
off
the
free
labor
of
prisoners,
who
are
predominantly
black
and
brown
right.
C
So
I
don't
juneteenth
is
not
history,
it's
actually
it.
It's
current
right
like
that.
That
is
currently
happening
where
people
are
fighting
for
the
freedom
of
black
and
brown
bodies
to
not
be
the
economic
backbone
of
the
of
the
country,
and
the
only
reason
that
they
are
fighting
back
is
because
well.
The
only
reason
that
the
system
is
fighting
back
is
because
the
system
cannot
function
without
slavery
right.
C
It
is
designed
to
be
economically
successful
because
of
the
labor
of
people
that
people
within
a
certain
system
and
we're
talking
about
the
judicial
system.
You
know
the
prison
system,
so
whenever
you
know
camille
is
mentioning
this
kind
of
you
know
nobody
is
fighting
for
the
humanity
of
black
people
like
I,
I
want
that
to
be
clear
right.
They
are
fighting
for
their
economic
power.
They
are
fighting
for
they're
fighting
against.
You
know
reform
simply
because
they
cannot
make
money
off
free
people.
C
They
cannot
make
money
by
giving
you
property.
They
cannot
make
money
by
giving
giving
you
anything
because
then
they
lose
right.
Then
they
lose
what
it
is
that
they
are
they
they
lose
all
their
foundation,
they
lose
their
economic
power,
and
I
think
it's
interesting
to
for
people
to
recognize
that
historically,
the
north,
the
north
and
the
south
were
the
same.
C
They
were
the
same
racists
in
the
north
and
the
south
right
people-
it
wasn't.
It
was
not
about
who
cared
more
about
black
people,
it
was
who
wants
to
profit
more
off
of
black
bodies,
and
you
see
that
currently,
even
in
even
in
you
know,
pop
culture.
Whenever
you
know
there
are
people
who
make
it
to
a
certain
level,
they
utilize
black
culture
to
make
their
money
first
and
then
they
go
back
and
say,
hey.
C
A
So
this
is
an
interesting
discussion
too,
because
there's
this
contrast
of
to
your
point
systems
and
structures
of
power
and
in
many
cases,
economic
power
and
then
back
down
to
the
community
and
individual
level
of
agency.
And
I
wondered,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
cause
youtube
and
some
of
the
most
active
in
this
space
talking
about
greenwood
week
and
why
the
purpose
of
it
and
the
name
and
its
significance
and
then
I'd
like
to
talk
about
you-
know
what
the
work
has
actually
looked
like.
B
C
The
greenwood
district,
and
that's
where
the
name
greenwood
week
comes
from
it
is
one
of
the
most
quote,
unquote
popular
instances
of
where
america
destroyed
the
success
of
black
people.
It
is
not
the
only
one,
it
is
not
the
largest
one,
but
it
is
one
of
the
most
violent
right
like
it
is
one
of
the
most
violent
instances
of
america.
C
C
We
are
looking
for
black
people,
we
are
looking
for
black
businesses,
we
are
looking
for
black
entrepreneurs
and
we
are
unable
to
find
those
type
of
people
or
if
we
do
find
those
type
of
people,
they
don't
have
the
capacity
to
handle
any
more
work
or
they
don't
have
the
staff
or
they
don't
have
the
funding
right.
So
we
kind
of
encapsulated
this
whole
week,
where
it's
just
like
we're
going
to
teach
you
right.
C
But
if
you
want
to
do
business,
if
you
want
to
be
well
versed
on
economics
that
that's
what
the
week
is
for,
it
is
for
you
to
understand
what
type
of
system
you
are
running
and
whether
or
not
you
choose
to
run
in
that
system
is
up
to
you,
but
we're
here
to
give
you
the
tools,
because
there's
no
dedicated
organization,
there's
no
dedicated
person
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
that
says
hey.
We
are
here
to
write
the
the
systemic
wrong
of
black
people
being
left
out
of
economics.
C
There
are
a
lot
of
organizations
that
you
know.
They
say
we
do
economics,
but
you
can't
just
say
you
do
economics
in
a
system
that
blatantly
leaves
out
black
people
all
the
time,
because
if
you
run
by
that
system,
then
it's
automatically
going
to
leave
out
black
people.
You
have
to
be
intentional
about
saying:
I
need
to
fix
this
systemic
wrong
and
the
wrong
is
to
black
people.
So
if
you
don't
say
hey
economically,
I'm
here
to
support
black
people,
then
you're
just
going
to
be
a
part
of
the
system,
because.
B
You
sorry,
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
add
to
that,
because,
in
addition
to
creating
these
issues
for
us
by
us
part
of
what
that
means,
is
we
decide
what
the
economic
system
looks
like
capitalism
doesn't
work
for
us.
It
works
on
the
backs
of
us,
so
we
can
decide
how
we
want
to
structure
the
economic
system,
we're
not
against
economic
growth,
we're
not
against
development.
We
are
against
gentrification
we're
against
exploitation
and
we
want
to
create
systems
that
benefit
black
people.
C
And
it's
kind
of
also
a
an
anomaly
in
pittsburgh
to
see
black
faces
in
charge
of
teaching
black
people
right,
like
all
the
time
whenever
you
go
to
different
organizations
and
different
programs,
it's
not
culturally
competent
folks
that
are
leading
it.
It's
people
who
are
economically
versed
right
and
it's
not
saying
that
those
people
are
unable
to
teach
it's
just
saying
that
they
cannot.
C
They
don't
necessarily
have
the
wherewithal
to
explain
it
in
a
manner
to
somebody
who
has
been
downtrodden
their
entire
lives
right
like
they
have
started
from
nothing
right
like
they.
They
don't
have
gifts
of
50k.
I
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
we
use
entrepreneurs,
black
entrepreneurs
who
are
currently
working
in
those
fields,
to
teach
you
all.
It
is
that
you
need
to
know
in
a
method
in
which
you
will
understand,
because
they
have
not
the
exact
same
background,
but
they
are
empathetic
to
your
background.
C
The
times
black
people
are
very
much
very
much
into
economics,
they
just
don't
know
the
wording.
They
don't
know
how
to
translate
what
it
is
that
they
do.
There's
a
lot
of
marketing
geniuses.
You
know
in
homewood
that
don't
know
that
they're
marketing
geniuses
simply
because
they
did
not
have
the
understanding
to
say
hey.
This
is
what
quota
means
right
like
they
don't
understand
those
terms
that
people
are
using
to
kind
of
confuse
them,
and
you
know
we're
here
to
give
them
that
that
kind
of
confidence
was
like.
C
You
already
know
this,
like
you
already
know
what
it
is
that
you're
trying
to
say,
but
we're
going
to
help.
You
say
that
on
paper,
so
that
when
you
go
and
you're
trying
to
explain
something
to
someone,
they
don't
look
at
your
resume
and
say:
well,
you
spelled
a
word
wrong,
so
you're
obviously
not
fit
to
be
in
this
position.
B
B
A
Yeah
come
as
you
are
but
know
what
it
is.
You
know
right.
So
if
you
say
it's
a
it's
a
conference
and
I
know
you've
had
like
a
week
where
or
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
activity,
but
can
you
just
break
down
for
folks
what
the
what
the
experience
is
is
like,
because
I
attended
one
of
your
sessions
at
arnold's
tea
in
the
north
side,
and
it
was
related
to
mental
health
and
julia's
boat
right
from
still
smiling
coming
and
working
with
the
entrepreneurs
that
you
all
were
working
with.
A
B
So,
let's
just
say
this:
I,
when
we
put
together
greenwood
week,
you
know
it
was.
It
was
both
of
our
first
time
putting
together
anything
of
the
magnitude.
So
there
was
some
uncertainty.
We
weren't
sure
how
it
was
going
to
turn
out
how
people
will
receive
it
for
myself
greenwood
week
blew
my
mind
in
more
of
a
qualitative
way.
B
Like
the
way
people
received
the
intention
that
went
into
greenwood
week,
it
kind
of
changed
what
I
wanted
to
do
and
how
much
I
wanted
to
do
it
like
this
was
it
for
me
like
if
I
could
make
people
feel
seen
and
understood
and
empowered,
like
that's
enough
to
sustain
me
for
the
rest
of
my
life.
Pay
me,
though,
I'm
not
saying
don't
pay
me,
I'm
just
saying
that
feeling
of
helping
someone
be
seen
who
felt
like
they
hadn't
been
seen
before
people
talked
about
how
they
had
been
to
other
conferences.
B
C
C
I'm
just
like
people
don't
give
y'all
like
you,
should
be
able
to
pay
money
and
go
to
a
conference
and
get
your
questions
answered
like
somebody
shouldn't
leave
there
and
give
you
like
motivational
words
like
never
give
up
like
I
don't
need.
We
don't
need
that
as
black
people
we
need
the
pathways
like
you
need
to
like
give
specific
information
as
to
how
to
go
about
these
things.
Like
I,
I
understand
like
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
like
motivational
thing
like
I
could
go
on
instagram
and
be
motivated
right.
C
C
C
I
think
the
conference
itself
was
just
so
relatable
to
everybody
else,
and
I
didn't
I
didn't.
I
think
me
and
camille
didn't
realize
how
much
like
how
relatable
our
experience
was,
because
we
are
having
the
same
problems
like
when
we
go
to
the
conference.
We
also
learn
these
things
right,
like
we're
in
the
classes
because,
like
these
people,
you
know.
C
Professionals
are
like
giving
us,
you
know,
information
that
we
needed
to
right,
so
we're
curating,
an
experience
that
we
want
to
have
like
we're
not
here,
to
make
money
of
course,
pay
us,
but
we're
not
here
for
the
specific
like
okay.
Well,
we
need
to
make
money
that,
like
that's,
not
our
goal,
we're
not
here
to
make
money
off
the
backs
of
black
people,
because
black
people
are
tired
of
that
right,
like
we
get
the
money
to
funnel
into
the
black
communities,
so
that
we
can
be
successful
around
other
successful
people
because
it
doesn't
work.
C
If
me
and
camille
come
out
of
this
and
we're
like
we
did
it,
but
what
about
everybody
else
who
attended
the
conference
right
like
if
you
didn't
come
out
with
a
whole
bunch
of
contracts?
If
you
didn't
come
out
with
contacts
contracts
money
like
then
the
conference
wasn't
successful,
it
wasn't
economically
successful
if
it
was
only
economically
successful
for
syla
and
cocopreneur.
C
A
So
you
all
are
getting
down.
I
mean
to
the
micro
level,
it's
about
like
the
basics
of
setting
up.
You
know
whether
it's
your
tax
id
business
plan
resume
all
the
way
up
to
like
ways
to
get
funding
in
those
conversations
too-
and
I
mean
to
your
point
it
like
really
rang
out,
I
mean
it's
been
something
that
a
lot
of
people
have
been
paying
attention
to
and
have,
like
anecdotally,
have
said,
they've
gotten
a
lot
out
of.
A
Can
you
speak
to
just
even
that
one
session
with
julius
and
the
mental
health
piece?
How
have
you
approached
bringing
like
themes
into
the
conversation
been
to
plenty
of
conferences
or
or
conventions
or
seminars,
where
it's
about
entrepreneurialism
or
economics,
whatever
the
case
may
be,
but
it's
not
always
folded
in
with
these
other
topics
like
mental
health.
So
can
you
talk
about
how
you
added
extra
value
to
to
the
experience
for
folks
that
we're
going
to
be
participating.
B
B
I
think
that
when
you
are,
when
you
become
an
entrepreneur-
and
you
start
to
kind
of
fish
for
ways
to
do
business
properly,
take
the
proper
channels
make
sure
everything
is
set
up.
You
keep
hitting
roadblocks,
because
you
don't
know
what
you
don't
know
so
for
us,
it
was
a
matter
of
putting
the
things
that
we
had
learned
in
our
journey
in
front
of
folks
saying:
okay,
these
are
things
to
consider.
Have
you
looked
into
business
insurance?
Yes,
you're
a
consultant,
but
what
does
that
mean?
Are
you
liable
for
certain
things
right?
B
B
I
think
that
we
have
a
special
place
in
the
mental
health
field
where
we
need
us
and
if
you're
going
into
entrepreneurship,
you
probably
have
to
be
a
little
crazy
and-
and
I
say
that
word
jovially,
but
I
think
it
takes
a
lot
of
balance
being
black.
Maybe
being
a
woman,
maybe
being
a
veteran,
maybe
being
a
parent
and
being
an
entrepreneur
all
at
one
time,
it's
extremely
difficult
to
balance
your
life
that
mental
health
part
is
going
to
be
important.
B
So
just
thinking
about
the
things
that
we
experience,
we
were
able
to
kind
of
put
that
into
things
like
again.
Just
being
able
to
relate
to
people
on
a
human
level
was
enough
for
us
to
be
able
to
answer
people's
needs,
and
I
think
that
kind
of
dictated
exactly
what
we
did
and
what
we
provided
for.
Folks.
C
C
If
she
had
just
known
about
capacity
building,
where
would
you
be
right
now?
Where
would
you
be
starting
off
your
life?
Not
you
know,
behind
the
curve
with
economics
right
like
you
would
have
understood
several
pieces
of
business
and
you
would
have
started
your
children
off
way
better
than
what
you
currently
have.
B
And
your
community
right
so
like
when
you
build
strong
businesses
within
your
community.
This
helps
your
community
grow
in
a
way.
That
is,
it's
not
just
idealistic,
it's
very
practical
right.
So
when
we,
even
when
we
talk
about
economics-
and
you
have
businesses
who
pay
taxes,
you
have
families
who
have
enough
money
to
pay
taxes
to
the
city.
The
city
now
has
money
for
funding
schools.
B
We
were
enslaved
for
like
250
years,
we
went
through
jim
crow
and
then
we
went
through
segregation.
The
civil
rights
movement
and
we've
only
been
free
on
paper
for
about
60
years,
but
we
still
have
the
prison
industrial
complex
right.
So
now
you
have
people
with
400
years
of
a
delay
in
their
growth
you're
like
how
do
you
jumpstart,
that,
aside
from
just
leaving
them
alone
and
letting
them
grow,
and
not
sabotaging
them,
yeah.
A
And
yet
the
conversation
when
you
when,
like
for
the
purposes
of
greenwood,
we
comes
down
to
like
the
individual
level
of
what
folks
can
do
to
put
themselves
in
a
position.
Let
me
just
ask
one
more
question
about
that
and
then
I'd
like
to
get
into
your
own
individual
entrepreneurialism
stories,
there's
a
everyone.
A
A
lot
of
people
like
talk
about
the
gig
economy
and
like
side
hustle,
the
folks
have-
and
we
know
that
a
lot
of
our
peers
and
just
people
in
general
in
the
city,
but
a
lot
of
our
peers-
do
and
have
had
side,
hustles,
they're
doing
little
things
on
the
side
for
the
web
web
piece
here.
Maybe
some
social
media,
maybe
some
whatever
you
know.
What
have
you
are
you
all
seeing
that
folks
are
doing
that
more
and
are
you
and
then
also?
A
Are
you
seeing
that
folks
that
maybe
have
had
that
kind
of
going
for
a
while
are
moving
towards
like
the
llc
phase
and
like
to
the
business
plan,
putting
together
like
capital
and
teams,
phase
like
what's?
What's
the?
What
is
the
space
looking
like
in
terms
of
what
level
folks
are
are
at
on
their
entrepreneurial
jury?.
C
So
I
think
people
are
losing
that
fear
of
jumping
right.
So
I
think
you
know
our
social
and
governmental
capacities
have
kind
of
instilled
a
fear
into
people
about
living
outside
of
the
nine-to-five
or
outside
of
the
support
from
the
government
right
like
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
have
that
fear
like
how
am
I
going
to
feed
my
family?
How
am
I
going
to
feed
myself?
C
C
If
you
don't
want
to
do
this,
if
you
don't
want
to
do
what
you're
currently
doing,
there
is
another
way
right,
like
I'm,
never
going
to
take
food
out
of
your
mouth
money
out
of
your
pocket,
because
I
understand
what
it's
like
to
have
three
children
and
not
not
have
food
right
like
I
grew
up
in
jamaica
right.
I
I
know
what
hunger
feels
like.
I
know
what
it
takes
to
to
be
like:
okay,
I'm
never
gonna.
C
Let
my
children
starve,
I'm
going
to
do
what
it
takes
like
that's
the
type
of
country
that
I'm
from
right.
So
whenever
you
see
people
who
are
doing
what
it
takes
to
to
feed
their
families,
you
should
you
should
automatically
think.
How
can
I
translate
for
this
person
to
do
this
on
a
corporate
level,
because
what
do
they?
What
they're
doing
is
learning
the
basics
that
people
are
being
taught
with
degrees
right,
like.
A
Right
right,
it's
about
it's
about
the
space
that
you
can
deploy.
Those
skill
sets
in
you
know
what
I
mean
like
on
a
certain
level.
You
know
I
like
playing
basketball
and
when
it
comes
to
like
the
the
fundamental
activities,
I
do
the
same
thing
as
as
any
one
of
these
nba
players,
they're
shooting
passing
when
I
do.
A
I
don't
do
it
in
a
sphere
where
there's
financial
compensation
you
know,
but
if
you're
at
a
certain
level
you
know
there
are,
there
are
places
that
you
know
people
will
pay
you
to
do
that,
and
so
it's
about
how
you
leverage
your
skill
set.
How
are
you
an
environment
where
that
skill
set
can
be
fostered
and
encouraged,
and
then
what
are
levels
of
support
so
that
you're,
you
know
activated
to
do
that.
I'd
love
to
hear-
and
let
me
just
put
a
final
point
on
on
that.
A
A
You
know
just
in
terms
of
my
own
personal
story,
I
started
doing
like
web
design
and
like
social
media
stuff
a
while
ago,
coming
up
in
the
non-profit
space,
doing
like
meals
and
wheels
and
stuff
where
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
money
available
like
via
the
organization
via
the
salary,
and
I
found
that
there
was
like
a
need
for
non-profits
that
wanted
to
have
a
presence
online
but
didn't
know
exactly
how
there
were
things
like
wordpress
and
stuff.
So
it
was
conversations
with
people
that
were
a
little
bit
further
along.
A
That
told
me
about
how
to
get
my
tax
id
number.
What
the
difference
between
a
sole
proprietor
an
llc
was
how
to
set
up
like
my
own
hosting
setups,
that
I
could
have
websites
hosted
and
have
it
all
myself
that,
like
really
illuminated
for
me
and
then
I
was
able
to
then
like
google
and
learn
and
watch
youtube
videos
to
learn
how
to
do
x,
y
and
z.
A
So
I
really
encourage
people
to
check
out
the
greenwood
week
work
and,
to
the
extent
that
they
can,
especially
if
they're
interested
in
this
kind
of
work
engage
with
camille
and
sam.
Because
they're
literally
I've
seen
it
like
they
walk
walking
through
into
with
individuals
and
families.
I've
seen
kids
like
sitting
on
like
the
couch
like
she
was
saying
in
there
just
talking
about
these
fundamentals,
it's
extremely
valuable
and
it
really
helps
demystify
and
that
translation
piece
is
so
so
important
just
to
be
able
to
kind
of
translate
that
personal
experience.
C
Fellow
pgh,
yes,
so
I
don't
even
know
where
to
start
there's
the
journey
is
still.
I
don't
even
know
what
phase
I'm
in
but,
like
you
know,
I'm
far
from
successful,
but
I
so
I
was
in
the
military.
Obviously
I
don't
know
why
I
said.
Obviously
that
doesn't
make
any
sense,
but
so
I
was
in
the
military
and
I
came
back
from
alaska.
You
know
having
served
and
I
tried
to
go
to
school.
C
You
know
to
for
hospitality,
because
I
thought
I
was
like
friendly
and
you
know
I
wanted
to
do
that,
but
I
realized
it
wasn't
for
me.
So
I
realized
that
you
know
I
I
had
to
go
through
a
lot
of
microaggressions.
I
had
to
like
tame
who
I
was
simply
to
work
in
that
space.
You
know
like
I
couldn't.
There
was
one
time
I
wore
afro
to
work
and
somebody
was
like.
Oh
that's,
too
afro
you
know
like
for
here
and
I
was
like.
C
I
don't
even
know
what
that
means,
but
I
was
just
like
there
has
to
be
like
a
space
where
I
can
simultaneously
be
successful
and
be
myself
because
I
see
I
see
other
people
who
are
doing
that
right.
Like
I
see
other
people
who
are
who
are
entertaining
and
things
like
that
but
like
I
didn't
want
to
entertain.
So
I
was
just
like
how
do
I
go
about
this
and.
C
When
I
came
back
to
pittsburgh
from
serving
and
going
to
school,
I
was
looking
around
a
lot.
You
know
I
was
talking
about
the
things
that
were
interesting
to
me,
which
was
more
so
socioeconomics
right
like
it
was
the
the
success
of
black
folks
on
a
level
not
solely
economic.
So
I
went
to
startup
weekend
and
I
pitched
the
idea
of
having
events
for
artists
to
be
able
to
make
money,
and
you
know
it.
C
C
I
wasn't
the
face
of
black
success
and
I
didn't
like
that
right,
like
I
didn't
like
the
fact
that
I
had
to
change
who
I
was
to
be
successful,
and
so
I
started
you
know
telling
people
like
I
started
translating.
Basically
I
started
translating
business
and
economics
in
a
method
in
which
I
could
understand
right.
C
Like
I
remember,
I
posted
a
status
about
people
who
again
people
who
sell
drugs
being
able
to
work
in
corporate
america,
and
it
was
so
it
was
so
radical,
quote
unquote,
but
I
I
started
to
realize
that
there
were
people
out
there
that
were
just
like
me
who
wanted
to
be
successful
but
were
not
seen
as
success
stories
simply
because
they
didn't
wear
suits.
They
didn't
talk
a
certain
way
or
they
they
did
dress
a
certain
way.
So
I
wanted
to
kind
of
talk
to
those
people
I
wanted
to
be.
C
A
C
So
I
I
found
that
the
the
gap
between
opportunity
and
access,
like
there's
just
a
large
gap
between
the
the
marketing
of
pittsburgh
organizations
right.
They
assume
that,
simply
because
you
create
a
grant
for
black
people,
that
black
people
are
going
to
be
able
to
get
that
right.
They
don't
they
don't
take
into
account
all
the
all
the
missteps
that
go
into
trying
to
find
that
opportunity.
When.
C
Amount
of
minority
communities
are
living
below
poverty
lines
or
they
don't
have
wi-fi
access
or
the
majority
of
households.
Don't
have
computers
to
be
able
to
access
that
online
brand
right.
So
I
I
kind
of
see
artists
as
being
those
those
ones
kind
of
like
me
who
are
just
like
I.
I
can't
do
paperwork
like
I
don't
understand
paperwork
or
I
don't
understand
how
to
go
about
writing
a
brand.
C
Even
though
I
have
the
the
process
in
my
head
of
how
I
would
utilize
this
money,
I
don't
know
how
to
put
a
budget
together.
I
don't
know
how
to
make
my
resume
look
like.
I
am
worthy
of
this
grant
so
kind
of
being
the
the
medium
between
these
organizations
that
are
that
require.
You
know
this
level
of
english,
english
language,
understanding
to
be
able
to
communicate
things
and
people
who
are
looks
like
I
don't
know
how
to
say
what
it
is
that
I'm
trying
to
say
like
I.
A
A
Let's,
let's
shine
some
light,
what
are
who
are
some
some
artists
that
you've
worked
with,
that?
You
think
that
you
would
encourage
folks
to
check
out
and
see
not
just
like
their
their
amazing
work
and
what
they
do,
but
ones
that
have
that
have
that
are
from
an
entrepreneurial
perspective,
doing
things
that
would
be
interesting
for
folks
to
check
out.
C
C
C
A
C
A
A
So
there's
a
lot
of
really
great
things
to
look
at
and
for
folks
that
want
to
know
how
they
might
want
to
approach
it.
Some
cool
blueprints
on
how
others
have
have
tried
it,
maybe
etsy's
not
right
for
you.
Maybe
it's
an
e-commerce
site
and
you
just
need
a
different
kind
of
e-commerce
site,
and
but
you
can
figure
all
of
that
out.
Camille
I'd
like
to
talk
about
cocopreneur.
B
A
B
A
B
Yeah,
no
so
cocopreneur
started.
The
idea
originally
started
with
what
was
called
the
black
dollars
matter
campaign
where
we
stamped
money
not
in
a
defacing
way
but
stamped
it,
and
if
you
stamp
this
money,
this
represented
money
that
you
have
dedicated
to
spend
within
the
black
community
right.
So
it
was
this
way
to
get
people
to
visualize
keeping
the
dollar
in
the
black
community.
B
What
happened
with
that
is,
while
we
had
this
campaign
going,
we
didn't
really
have
anywhere
like
we
had
to
show
people
where
to
go
and
give
them
reference
for
where
to
go.
So
then,
you
know
tried
to
look
up
some
directories
around
the
city.
The
pittsburgh
black
business
directory
that
had
been
active
for
like
30
years
started
by
miss
connie.
Portis
was
retired
for
about
five
years
by
2015..
B
So
once
that,
once
I
realized
that
I
decided
to
kind
of
bring
back
this
directory,
so
I
did
a
bunch
of
work
in
social
media
sharing
businesses.
I
started
to
compile
just
an
excel
spreadsheet
of
listings
and
once
it
hit
a
certain
point
decided
to
put
that
onto
a
website
where
people
could
freely
access
the
information.
B
So
the
cocopreneur
directory
went
live
february,
2nd
of
2019
and
that's
my
mother's
birthday,
and
then
this
year
it's
in
a
beta
version,
so
some
new
features
have
been
added.
There
was
recently
an
article
written
about
how
black
businesses
do
not
get
the
benefit
of
yelp
reviews
and
they
don't
benefit
from
having
people
come
to
their
place
rate
them
on
yelp
and
then
have
more
traffic
driven
there.
So
one
of
the
things
that
was
added
was
was
a
rating
and
review
system
on
the
coconut
directory.
B
So
now,
ratings
and
reviews
are
available
on
the
site
as
well
as
operating
hours
for
businesses.
The
work
with
cocopreneur
has
also
advanced
through
collaborations,
like
sam
and
myself,
with
greenwood
week,
so
doing
more
advocacy
work,
making
sure
that
businesses
have
what
they
need
and
have
access
to
information
and
resources
in
order
to
survive
and
thrive.
B
What
else
is
there?
I
don't
know
the
directory
is
kind
of
like
the
cornerstone,
but
really
getting
into
this
work
of
rebuilding
black
communities,
even
if
that
means
getting
your
hands
completely
dirty
and
doing
it
right.
So
I
created
the
directory.
But
what?
If
people
need
help
sustaining
themselves,
yeah-
oh
you
know
what
I
guess.
Something
else
did
happen
yeah
so
this
year
after
the
protest
for
george
floyd's
murder,
you
know
there
were
some
agitators
into
the
pittsburgh
protest,
vandalized
a
bunch
of
downtown
businesses,
two
of
which
were
black
owned
businesses.
B
So
once
I
saw
that
I
immediately
decided
to
start
a
fundraiser
to
help
them
basically
become
whole,
anything
that
maybe
insurance
didn't
cover.
So
I
started
this
pittsburgh
black
business
relief
fund,
which
is
still
active
in
live
now,
but
the
point
of
that
was
to
help
them
with
any
damages
and
repairs
to
their
storefronts
cover
inventory
and
then
start
creating
these
decals
that
people
could
put
in
their
windows
to
say.
I'm
a
co-proprietor
find
me
and
rate
me
on
cocopreneur.com
right
because
of
the
amount
of
money
that
the
fundraiser
has
raised.
B
B
The
moratorium
on
rent
is
now
lifted,
so
businesses
who
have
leases
on
storefronts
that
rent's
going
to
be
due
people
may
have
had
inventory,
go
bad
because
they
weren't
able
to
open
they're
going
to
need
new
inventory.
So
now
what
the
fund
is
going
to
do
is
help
people
just
stay
afloat
until
whatever
monies
can
come
through.
B
Ppp
was
very
difficult
for
a
lot
of
black
businesses
to
tap
into
so
I
felt
like
it
was
necessary
to
create
something
that
we
could
access
more
easily
and
somebody
who
actually
knows
these
businesses
could
say
right
away.
Okay,
we
can
get
you
some
funds
so
that
you
can
pay
your
rent
this
month
or
you
can
buy.
You
know
food
to
cover
this
week's.
A
And
it's
a
great
example
where
working
on
developing
one
tool
leads
to
other
engagement
opportunities
on
on
its
phase.
Cocrepreneur
is
a
directory
of
black
businesses,
but
now
it's
an
engagement
tool
as
well,
and
it
allows
you
to
speak
about
this
in
conversation.
I've
seen
you
I
remember
being
at
the
kelley
straight
horn,
theater
watching
you
talk
about
cocopreneur
in
all
kinds
of
different
conversations.
A
Can
we
just
keep
it
there
for
a
quick?
Second,
you
mentioned
how
you
started
with
an
excel
spreadsheet,
which
I
just
want
to
emphasize.
You
know
for
folks,
I
think
sometimes
there's
I
had
a
professor
in
college
used
to
call
it
complexifying
and
I
think
about
this
entrepreneurialism
a
lot,
sometimes
the
the
burden
of
all
the
ways
you
could
go
about.
A
It
can
inhibit
you
from
just
getting
started,
and
yet
you
started
what's
become
a
sophisticated
product
and
tool
with
just
like
entries
on
a
spreadsheet,
and
then
you
move
it
into
more
of
a
living,
a
directory
that
folks
can
access
via
the
internet.
How
did
you
go
about
figuring
out
like
what
platform
to
put
it
on,
and
how
did
you
make
those
decisions?
It.
B
Took
a
while
and
now
this
is
more
of
a
like
a
personality
trait,
so
for
me
it's
a
little
more
like
any
I'm
a
busy
body
and
when
I
see
something
I
just
start
fidgeting
and
like
looking
things
up
and
trying
to
figure
out
ways
to
make
it
work.
So
for
me
I
have
to
start
like.
If
I
have
an
idea,
I
have
to
just
jump
in
and
start
doing
things
and
then
I'll
figure
it
out.
As
I
go,
that's
not
going
to
be
the
case
for
everybody.
B
B
I
started
a
fundraiser
in
2018
originally
for
cocopreneur,
so
I
raised
about
three
thousand
dollars
to
get
the
directory
started
and
I
was
like
oh
great
now
I
can
pay
for
a
developer
and
then
I
can
have
them
help
me.
Do
yada
yada
yeah
and
I
kept
hitting
these
brick
walls.
Like
I
kept
looking
up,
you
know
how
to
start
a
directory.
B
What
platforms
for
directory
and
it
took
until
august,
so
I
started
that
maybe
happened
in
april
around
august
I
had
a
conversation
with
my
dad
and
he
reached
out
to
one
of
his
friends
and
the
person
said
something
well,
that's.
They
said
what
she's
looking
for
is
a
web
application
and
the
moment
that
I
looked
up
web
applications.
B
B
30
we
got
to
work
on
the
directory,
so
that
took
a
couple
of
months.
Things
really
started
to
come
to
fruition
about
december.
We
actually
had
a
website
and
it
looked
like
something,
and
then
it
was
just
tweaking
between
december
and
february
before
we
launched,
but
it
took
a
while
like
it
took
a
lot
of
digging
and
I
think
that's
something
that
people
looking
into
entrepreneurship
and
problem
solving
have
to
get
used
to
the
answers.
Aren't
always
gonna
come
right
away.
It's
sometimes
gonna
take
time
you
might
have
to
sleep
on
things.
B
B
Figure
it
out,
but
right
now
I
can't
tell
you
I
don't
know,
and
I
think
that
being
honest
with
yourself
about
those
things
is
helpful
like
you're,
not
it
allows
you
to
at
least
make
room
to
dig
a
little
deeper
or
ask
for
help
when
you,
when
you
can
acknowledge.
Okay,
I
don't
know
what
the
hell
I'm
doing.
I
need
help.
It
allows
you
the
room
to
actually
reach
out
for
help.
A
And
it's
not
what
you
like
you
you,
you
can
face
barriers
and
certainly
frustration
on
not
knowing,
but
it
won't
ultimately
prohibit
you
if
you
can
find
a
way
to
ask
the
right
questions,
and
sometimes
you
can't
entertain
what
those
questions
might
be,
and
sometimes
you
don't
find
them
until
you
acknowledge
that
I
just
I
don't
know
where
I'm
headed
and
that's
where
you
can
engage
with
counsel
or
someone
that
can
say
hey.
Well
what
about
this?
What
about
that?
In
your
case,
a
conversation
with
your
dad?
They
mention
this.
A
This
term
sticks
out,
you
look
it
up
and
boom
it's
right
there
and
I
find
myself
I'm
curious
what
you
all
think
about
this
when
folks
want
to
get
started
with
these
things,
I
find
myself
encouraging
them
right
away
that
there
are
tools
out
there
that
can
help
you.
Now
they
not
might
not
all
be
applicable
to
you
just
like
a
toolbox.
It
might
not
always
be
that
one
that
works
for
you,
but
there
are
tools
and
whether
that's
wordpress
the
things
you
can
do
on
just
like
facebook
pages.
A
Nowadays,
a
lot
of
folks
can
get
started
on
what
they
want
to
do
simply
with
a
couple
social
media
platforms.
There
are
assets
there
for
you,
it's
just
about
what
works
for
you
and
these
things
aren't
set
in
stone.
You
could
you
could
start
with
a
with
a
wix
website
and
then
have
a
squarespace
website
and
then
have
a
wordpress
wordpress
website
and
do
all
of
that
yourself
or
with
you
know,
with
some
with
some
help,
and
your
idea
can
just
continue.
A
You
know
to
evolve,
and
so
I
think
it's
it
can
be
encouraging
for
folks,
because
you
know
how
do
I
start
where
I
gotta
learn
how
to
code
and
all
this
stuff?
It's
like.
No
really,
I
mean
some
of
these
tools
like
if
you're
familiar
with
how
to
work
just
social
media
or,
like
a
word
processor,
you
can,
you
can
work
some
of
these
platforms
and
and
get
things
started.
A
B
So
inventrify
is
black
founded
by
a
man
named
brandon
brooks
he
is
from
the
pittsburgh
region.
His
platform
is
basically
like,
I
hate
to
use
a
competitor,
but
it's
like
gofundme,
but
specifically
for
businesses.
So
when
you
fundraise
on
inventrify,
people
know
that
it
is
for
you
to
grow
your
business.
A
Yeah,
okay,
wonderful!
Well,
we're
almost
up
on
an
hour
here:
let's
bring
the
conversation
to
a
close
here
as
we
close
I'm
just
well.
First,
let's
start
with
just
some
fundamentals:
sam
will
start.
Where
can
folks
find
information?
We
put
a
lot
of
the
links
in
the
chat
already.
Where
would
you
encourage
folks
to
find
about
about
the
work
that
you're
doing
or
anything
else
you'd
like
to
highlight
and
mention
for
people
that
might
want
to
learn
more.
C
So
I'm
not
really
great
at
social
media,
so
well
my
business
social
media,
so
I
mean
my
personal
pages
are
more
informational
than
my
business
pages.
Simply
because
you
know,
like
I'm
one
of
those
people
where
you
know,
you
literally
just
send
me
a
message
and
tell
me
what
you
need
and
then
I'll
work
on
it
right
like
for
the
past
weeks.
You
know
I've
been
helping
people,
you
know
apply
for
grants.
The
foundations
have
been
asking
where
you
know
who
needs
money.
C
Where
can
we
put
our
money
so,
like
I've
been
doing,
you
know
a
lot
of
brand
applications
and
things
like
that?
A
lot
of
strongly
worded
emails
trying
to
get
people
money.
So
mainly
you
know
just
email
me
or
message
me.
I'm
able
to
help
you
with
certain
things.
I
may
not
have
the
capacity
to
work
on
it,
but
I
will
find
you
somebody
who.
C
A
B
Oh
yeah,
so
the
ura
in
conjunction
with
citizens-
they
basically
they
yeah
they
they
donated
15
000
to
the
black
business
relief
fund,
simply
because
that's
work
that
they
do
generally
and
they
figured
rightfully
so
that
you
should
look
into
partnering
with
grassroots
organizations
who
already
do
the
work
that
you
have
in
your
initiatives
and
it
was
kind
of
as
simple
as
that.
So
you
know,
I
think,
that's
a
step
in
the
right
direction
and
the
more
of
that
that
they
do,
I
think,
the
more
effective
they
will
kind
of
be
going
forward.
A
There
is
also
a
very
robust
local,
philanthropic
or
community
here
and
then
also
these
these
fundraising
tools
that
have
been
pointed
out:
okay,
let's,
let's
bring
it
to
to
an
actual
close
just
final
encouragements
from
you
too,
to
folks
that
may
be
watching
that
are
on
their.
You
know
entrepreneurialism
on
their.
You
know
business
on
their
just
community
journey.
You
know
what
what
on
juneteenth
and
2020
would
you
say
to
them
to
close
this
out.
B
I'm
gonna
speak
from
just
a
like
a
human
level.
Please
continue
to
lift
each
other
up.
I
think
this
is
also
a
good
indication
or
a
good
representation
of
what
should
happen
even
though
you're
an
organization
that
deals
in
work
for
men
and
boys
showcasing
two
black
women
is
important
right.
I
think
that
we
can
continue
to
empower
each
other
to
be
great
and
encourage
each
other
to
tap
into
you
know
those
things
that
you
know
make
us
gifted
like
we're
all
gifted
in
something.
C
Support
black
businesses,
your
dollar
is
very,
very,
very
important,
and
you
purchasing
from
somebody
like
natural
beauty
supply
so
that
she
can
be
able
to.
You
know,
afford
a
house
in
the
neighborhood
where
the
property
taxes
like
camille,
said.
You
know
the
property
taxes
will
go
to
the
education
system
that
completely
benefits
your
children,
support
local
black
businesses,
support
black
businesses
but
support
local
black
businesses,
because
I
guarantee
you
there's
a
black
business
that
is
able
to
meet
your
standards.
C
If
that's
what
you're
looking
for
find
a
product
that
you
already
use,
replace
it
with
a
black
business
and
give
black
businesses
room,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
black
businesses,
don't
have
the
tools
or
the
education
to
know
how
to
maneuver
within
business,
so
give
them
room
to
fail
sometimes,
and
that's
pretty
much.
It.
A
Well,
thank
you
both
so
much
for
your
time
and
we
will
look
to
continue
to
bring
conversations
like
this
to
the
channel
and
you
know
to
walk
the
walk
ourselves,
use
the
platforms
at
our
disposal
to
have
better
conversations
about
life
and
about
ways
to
move
forward.
I
really
just
encourage
you,
anyone
that
might
be
watching
to
check
out
camille
and
sam
online
and
learn
more
about
the
work
that
they
do.
A
I
think
they're
really
inspirational
stories,
but
the
way
that
they
approach
it
you're
gonna
find
they're
pointing
constantly
to
other
people
what
they're
up
to
how
you
can
help
success
stories
and
just
general
good
vibes.
So
thank
you
again
to
both
of
you
for
your
time
for
all
of
you
that
may
be
watching.
Please
take
the
best
care
of
yourselves
and
we'll
see
you
next
time.