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From YouTube: Our Neighbor's Keeper: Trauma, Healing, & Resilience
Description
On this episode of Our Neighbor's Keeper, Josiah Gilliam talks with Twanda Clark-Edgal, Brittany Brown, Karleigh Maide, Tytionna Williams, and Korie Moreland from Gwen's Girls.
A
Alrighty
good
morning
and
happy
friday,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us.
My
name
is
josiah
gilliam
and
I'm
the
my
brother's
keeper
coordinator
in
the
mayor's
office
of
equity
and
we've
been
doing
a
series
of
broadcasts
that
explore
the
my
brother's
keeper
initiative
and
different
initiatives
within
the
office
of
equity
and
within
the
city,
and
recently
we've
been
doing
a
deep
dive
around
the
concept
of
trauma
healing
and
resilience.
We
feel
like
this
is
a
timely
conversation
for
a
number
of
reasons.
A
But
we've
really
enjoyed
it
because
there
are
just
some
tremendous
things
that
are
happening
and
some
organizations
that
quite
have
been
active
in
this
space
for
a
long
time,
more
coordination
recently
than
ever
more
resources.
And
things
like
that
today,
we
have
a
really
special
opportunity
to
talk
with
a
team
from
gwen's
girls
who
has
been
on
broadcast
in
the
in
the
past.
I
mean
the
organization
has
been,
but
to
talk
about
a
special
bucket
of
activity
that
they
that
they
focus
on
within
this
realm.
A
A
My
intention
is
to
hold
hold
space
for
that,
and
we
encourage
you
to
do
to
do
the
same
and
if
you
need
to
take
breaks
for
whatever
reason,
please
feel
free
to
do
that,
but
there's
a
lot
of
interesting
and
important
work
here
to
learn
about
so
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
try
to
lean
in
and
and
and
have
that
conversation,
as
you
may
have
noticed
right
before
we
get
going.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
different
format.
I
am
at
the
city
county
building.
A
It's
great
to
be
back
here
in
person.
I
want
to
thank
the
city,
channel
team
and
imp
for
making
this
possible.
They
make
it
possible
every
time
we've
done
it
even
completely
remotely,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
them
and
thank
them
for
allowing
me
to
come
to
the
studio.
So
all
right,
my
friends,
quick
round
of
introductions
and
then
we'll
jump
right
in
and
we'll
start
with,
miss
tawanda.
B
C
B
Absolutely
gwen's
girls
was
started
in
to
the
2000's
by
commander
gwen
elliott.
She
was
the
first
african-american
woman
to
work
on
the
police
force
and
then
to
raise
her
way
to
the
ranks
as
the
first
commander
on
the
police
force
and
then
upon
her
retirement
after
many
years
of
working
on
the
police
force
and
looking
at
the
disparity
with
black
girls
that
they
would
go
missing
and
it
was
almost
as
though
no
one
would
look
for
them.
B
B
As
a
result
of
that
commander,
gwinnelli
passed
away
in
her
daughter,
kathy
elliott,
dr
kathy
elliot,
it
became
the
ceo
about
five
years
ago
now.
People
may
just
be
starting
to
hear
about
commercial,
sexual
exploitation
and
trafficking
of
girls,
but
actually
one
of
the
things
that
she
noticed
in
her
work
is
that
this
was
a
prevalent
issue
and
although
we
may
not
have
been
calling
it
that
at
that
particular
time,
she
really
wanted
to
provide
programming.
B
We
sit
on
coalition
boards
across
the
state
of
pennsylvania,
and
what
we
know
is
that,
although
all
girls
and
even
boys
are
at
risk
for
sexual
exploitation,
that
black
girls
and
our
lgbt
q
population
is
most
at
risk
because
they're
most
vulnerable
and
it's
through
no
folder
of
their
own.
There
are
a
lot
of
different
reasons
that
play
a
part
in
that,
but
gwen's
girls
has
always
been
in
the
game
of
doing
this
work.
A
B
B
Right,
thank
you
for
asking
me
that
so
the
best
way
for
me
to
simplify
it
so
that
everybody
understands
what's
happening
and
I'm
glad
that
you
said
that,
because
sometimes
when
we
use
this
type
of
language
and
terminology
children
who
may
be
exposed
to
this
say.
Well,
that's
not
me
simply
because
they
don't
understand
the
language
and
the
terminology,
but
the
best
way
for
me
to
simplify
this
so
that
our
listening
audience
our
viewing
audience
understands.
B
A
B
We
are
definitely
looking
at
this
in
a
different
way.
The
narrative
has
changed.
We
know
that
this
is
not
the
girl's
fault.
She
is
the
victim
in
all
of
this
and
that
she
doesn't
come
to
this
life
into
this.
This
she
doesn't
come
into
this
through
any
fault
of
her
own
through
manipulation
and
coercion.
So
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
talk
about
the
us
attorney's
office
and
the
work
that
they're
doing
to
really
focus
on
this
and
operation
10,
which
means
that
you
know
trafficking
ends.
B
Now
is
basically
what
that
stands
for,
and
so
what
we
have
is
we
have
a
lot
of
communities
jurisdictions,
areas
that
are
really
looking
at
what
they
can
do
to
really
stop
and
mitigate
commercial
sexual
exploitation.
So
what
we
know
is
that
through
education,
we
know
that,
through
awareness,
that
when
people
have
the
tools-
and
they
understand-
we
are
able
to
do
better
once
we
know
better.
A
B
B
Because
with
a
drug
you
sell
at
one
time
and
that's
it.
But
when
we're
talking
about
commercial,
sexual
exploitation,
we're
talking
about
trafficking
of
girls
and
even
of
boys,
we're
talking
about,
we
take
an
individual
and
we
sell
them
repeatedly
and
so
really
getting
people
to
understand
that.
That's
not
a
life
that
children
choose
helps
to
mitigate.
I
think
the
myths
and
the
the
stigma
that
surrounds
it.
C
Sure,
I
think
the
best
way
that
wins
girls
is
coming
into
this
line
of
work
is
educating
the
public,
like
miss
tawanda,
said
demystifying.
The
fact
that
young
young
people
are
choosing
this
life
taking
away
that
stereotype,
particularly
when
we're
working
with
girls
of
color
that
they're
being
fast
or
that
their
cheese
or
their
chosing.
This
they're
choosing
excuse
me
choosing
this
life.
This
is
something
that
they
ask
for
as
opposed
to
something
that
that's
happening
to
them
and
that
they're
a
victim.
D
D
A
Yeah,
so
I
hear
this
this
point
of
just
raising
awareness
and
dispelling
and
dispelling
myths.
Let's
get
specific
about
what
gwen's
girls
does
in
this
space.
What
are
the
programs
and
kind
of
resources
that
you
offer
in
specifically,
and
we
can
talk
more
about
them
and
what
else
is
kind
of
generally
available
right
now
in
this
space
from
your
perspectives
and
anyone
could
jump
in
sure.
C
I'll
take
a
step
at
that
josiah,
so
gwen's
girls,
we
offer
they
see
the
best
in
me
program
and
that
is
in
response
to
the
commercial
sexual
exploitation
of
children.
That
is
happening
here
right
in
pittsburgh,
particularly
against
girls
of
color.
So
what
this
program
does
is
we
hold
weekly
sessions
with
the
girls,
and
when
we
talk
about
exploitation,
we
get
specific.
What
is
a
john?
C
What
does
it
mean
to
be
exploited
because
sometimes
when
we
use
those
words
exploited,
like
mr
wanda
said
earlier
in
the
podcast
that
sometimes
the
girls
don't
understand
that
and
doesn't
feel
like?
It
relates
to
them,
because
that's
not
the
language
that
they
would
use.
What
does
a
pimp?
Look
like
it's?
Not
what
we
see
in
the
movies
all
the
time.
C
It's
not
someone
walking
around
a
cane,
and
you
know,
or
was
glorified
in
music
today,
that
it
can
look
like
the
average
person
you
know
and
that
the
girls
who
are
brought
into
the
life
again
doesn't
look
like
what
you
see
on
tv
they're.
You
know
sometimes
they're
not
standing
on
a
corner.
You
know
these
girls
are
being
delivered
door-to-door
to
people,
that
this
is
happening
every
day
to
the
average
girl
to
the
girl
who
who
to
the
girl,
that's
getting
or
young
man.
C
We
also
offer
mentoring,
and
you
see
some
of
our
mentors
here-
corey
and
carly
and
tatiana,
where
they
are
I'm
working
with
the
girls
one-on-one
that
they're
helping
them
create
goals
and
reach
their
goals
that
they're
helping
them,
and
we
have
girls
who
have
gotten
into
really
great
schools
with
the
help
of
their
with
their
mentors.
Here,
that's
on
the
call
they
were
helping
him
see,
helping
them
identify
their
need
and
their
resources
to
to
meet
those
needs,
because
we
know
that
when
there
is
a
need
that
that's
where
the
exploiters
exploit
the
most.
C
So
if
they
see
that
a
girl
is
in
need
of
clothing
or
they're
in
need
of
you
know,
maybe
a
loving
quote-unquote
family
that
they'll
try
to
exploit
that
need.
So
here
at
gwen's
girls,
we
try
to
identify
those
needs
and
then
we
try
and
we
give
them
resources
and
we
help
them
meet
their
needs.
So
that
way
they
don't
have
to
be
exploited.
E
I
just
was
going
to
add
most
importantly,
at
gwen's
girls.
We
talk
about
the
terminology,
we
talk
about.
What
exploitation
is
how
you
know
you
may
be
successive
to
it,
and
I
think
that
we
do
a
really
really
good
job
at
letting
them
know.
This
is
what
you
might
hear
you
know
you
might
hear
on
the
street.
Oh
my
old
head,
oh
my
this,
but
this
is
what
this
actually
means.
So
definitely
that
and
definitely
just
being
strength
based.
A
Yeah,
it's
a
perfect
segue.
So
when
we
were
talking
about
this
conversation,
a
couple
terms
came
to
mind
and
and
some
of
the
prep
that
you
all
had
done,
and
so,
let's,
let's
talk
about
what
some
of
them
mean
in
this
context.
So
there's
this
question
around:
what
does
it
mean
to
be
a
victim?
What
does
it
mean
to
be
a
survivor
and
then
a
term
that
I
believe
you
all
coined,
I'm
not
sure.
Maybe
we
can
learn
about
the
history
here,
sir
sir
surf
thriver.
A
E
So
what
it
means
to
be
a
victim
is
when
someone
takes
advantage
of
you
and
oftentimes
our
girls
don't
realize
that
they
are
victims.
They
feel
like
it's
their
fault.
You
know
they
feel
like
they
were.
They
put
themselves
in
this
situation,
and
now
they
have
to
do
what
they're
doing
so.
We
really
just
talk
to
them
about
what
it
means
to
be
a
victim,
what
it
means
to
be.
You
know,
manipulated
and
groomed,
and
to
do
to
go
into
these
things,
because
these,
you
know,
pimps
or
drawn
see
a
need.
F
So
it
was
pretty
much
covered
with
a
victim
as
somebody
who
is
being
exploited,
taking
advantage
of
moving
into
the
survivor
piece.
We
consider
a
survivor
of
somebody
who
has
made
it
out
of
the
life
and
not
currently
being
exploited
and
then
moving
into
the
sur.
Thriver
is
someone
who's
really
pushing
forward
in
life?
Really,
you
know
thriving
finding
ways
to
stay
out
of
the
life.
F
B
A
Yes,
we
appreciate
that.
I
love
it
because
there
is
an
additional
idea-
past,
just
surviving
past,
just
being
a
victim
and
making
it
through
that
and
escaping
that
and
coming
to
the
other
side
of
that,
but
that
there
is
more
available,
a
a
sense
of
of
thriving
and
a
sense
of
healing.
So
I'd
like
to
talk,
especially
with
the
mentors
that
we
have
you
know
with
us,
what
supports?
A
F
I
would
say
the
best
support
that
you
can
give
somebody
trying
to
come
out
of
their
life
is
consistency
a
lot
of
times.
They
don't
have
consistency
in
their
life
and
they
need
that.
One
person
that
they
know
is
going
to
be
there
for
dom
that's
going
to
help
them
in
the
most
positive
way
that
they
can
and
not
exploit
them.
So
I
would
say:
that's
the
main
important
part
of
starting
to
work
with
a
young,
lady
or
male,
that
might
be
being
exploited,
it's
just
being
that
person.
A
D
I
was
just
going
to
say
a
majority
of
our
girls.
It's
basic
needs,
it
might
be,
shelter
might
be
clothing,
it
might
be
food,
so,
like
carly,
said
just
figuring
out
what
their
needs
are.
A
lot
of
our
girls
struggle
with
basic
needs
so
once
you're
figuring
out
what
their
basic
needs
are,
helping
them
get
those
basic
needs
and
helping
them
sustain
those
needs,
because
a
lot
of
our
girls
once
they
get
those
needs
it's
okay.
Now,
how
am
I
going
to
continue
to
continue
this
need?
So
it
might
be.
F
Like
to
add
to
a
lot
of
things
that
we
do,
is
we
work
with
each
and
every
individual
young
lady
on
establishing
what
they're
good
at
what
they
like
to
do
if
they
love
to
do
hair?
Okay,
let's
you
know
critique
those
skills
so
that
you
can
use
that
in
a
way
of
taking
care
of
yourself
as
well,
so
they
always
have
something
to
fall
back
on
so
really
taking
their
strengths
and
interest
and
molding
them
that
way
they
can
help
themselves
as
well.
C
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
way
and
it's
we're
very
fortunate
that
we
live
in
allegheny
county
that
is
very
rich
in
the
resources
here.
So
we're
always
looking
to
partner
with
other
organizations.
Networking
networking
networking
is
always
key.
You
know
using
the
2-1-1
link
and
letting
the
girls
know
like
there's
apps
called
like
no
big
bird
or
are
you
using
big
bird
or
you
go
into
action
house
and
different
things
like
that,
but
always
networking
you
know
diving
back
in
that.
C
I
know
most
people
who
watch
this
may
not
even
know
what
a
roller
deck
says,
but
going
back
into
your
rolodex
and
really
pulling
out
those
resources
for
housing
and
then
identifying
that
there's
so
many
resources
that
are
specific
to
different
things.
Are
you
a
part
of
the
lgbtqti
community
because
there's
resources
that
are
for
that?
Are
you
a
part?
Are
you
black
or
are
you
latina?
C
A
There
are
learning
and
career
pathways
that
can
evolve,
based
on
what
those
interests
are
and
along
that
line
or
along
that
process.
It
sounds
like
you're
really
setting
the
ground
for
these
folks
to
heal,
and
so
I'm
wondering
what
you
would
say
to
our
audience
and
just
and
how
you
express
to
folks
in
community.
A
What
healing
can
can
really
look
like
maybe
some
examples
that
you've
seen
or
just
just
ways
you
think
about
it,
because
you
know,
obviously
each
person's
there
may
be
patterns
in
a
general
sense,
but
each
person
set
up
is
so
unique
and
each
person's
disposition
and
what
they
might
be
into
completely
unique.
So
how
do
you
think
about
healing
and
how
do
you
communicate
the
realities
of
healing
to
others.
C
So
I
think,
first
and
foremost
for
a
lot
of
young
people
who
are
involved
in
a
life
it's
coming
to
them
to
realizing
that
they
were
actually
a
victim
is
number
one.
I
feel
like
sometimes
a
lot
of
times
why
young
people
re-enter
into
being
exploited
is
because
they
can't
forgive
themselves
for
getting
involved
in
their
life,
even
though
it
wasn't
their
fault.
C
I
think
we
live
in
society
too,
where
we
teach
young
girls,
particularly
that
a
man
is
supposed
to
meet
and
be
your
provider
and
meet
your
need.
So
now
that
they're
growing
up-
and
you
know
they're
14
15,
especially
in
the
black
community.
Unfortunately
it
is
very
normalized
for
a
teenage
girl
to
have
interactions
with
an
adult
man.
You
know
so
at
that
age
of
tender,
age
of
14,
she's
thinking.
Well,
I
sought
this
out.
C
I
like
to
say
that
you
know
all
my
trauma
that
I
may
have
experienced
as
a
young
person
was
the
door
to
my
future
as
opposed
to
the
barrier.
They
help
me
back
from
my
future.
You
know
so
once
a
young
person
really
gets
to
understand
that
they
can
say
that
you
know
that
I
can
be
a
conqueror
and
that
I
can
be
more
than
what
a
label
that
the
world
is
putting
on
me
that
I
can
be
successful.
I
can
be
a
businesswoman,
I
can
be
a
college
graduate.
C
C
We
can't
really
put
a
title
in
it
for
each
and
every
person,
because
it's
it's
so
individualized
for
each
person,
but
that
loving
yourself,
peace
and
that
forgiving
yourself
and
knowing
that
that
you
don't
have
to
live
to
the
label
that
anybody
places
on
you,
I
think,
is
the
most
at
first
most
important
key
in
that.
First
part
of
your
journey.
E
Yes,
I
was
also
going
to
say
to
finding
sir
thrivers
to
show
the
girls
like
you
know.
This
has
happened
to
me
and
now
I'm
an
entrepreneur.
Now
I'm
doing
this
I'm
doing
nails.
I
have
a
business
like
you
know
just
showing
them
that,
yes,
this
can
happen
to
you.
But
how
do
you
turn
your
pain
into
passion,
similar
to
what
britney
said.
A
A
You
know
as
simple
as
seeking
it
out
by
walking
down
the
street,
that
there
are
societal
factors
and
that
there
are
community
factors
and
other
folks
with
trauma,
and
these
other
things
that
that
kind
of
led
you
know
to
this.
But
then
you
you've
mentioned
a
couple
times
this
idea
of
forgiving
themselves
and
I'm
curious
like
how
you
how
how
you've
seen
that
point
get
reached,
and
then
what
that
looks
like
in
in
real
time.
A
You
know
what
is
the
forgiveness
that's
extended
to
oneself,
because
it
seems
to
me
to
be
kind
of
a
point
of
of
of
the
person
from
a
posture
of
of
like
a
compassionate
awareness,
extending
that
to
themselves
to
say
there
were
all
these
other
things
at
play.
It's
the
burden,
isn't
all
on
the
individual
and
as
such
is
here's
forgiveness.
Can
you
just
speak
more
about
about
that
shift?.
C
Sure
I
think
that
really
comes
with
the
part
of
making
sure
our
girls
are
educated,
because
when
you
people
like
to
say
when
you're
ignorant
is
bliss,
you
know.
So
when
you
don't
know
you
just
don't
know
you
know.
So
this
is
what
your
normalcy
is,
that
you
know.
Girls
are,
you
know
interacting
with
older
men,
then
that's
so
you're
normal
and
then,
when
there's
trauma
really
starts
to
build
and
come
out
of
that
it's
kind
of
like
well.
You
know
I
knew
what
I
was
getting
into.
I
knew
that
he
was
older.
C
I
knew
he
was
involved
in
different
types
of
lifestyles,
and
I
chose
that
for
myself
and
that's
absolutely
not
the
case
so
once
you
start
to
educate
them
and
let
them
know
that
you
know
a
14
year
or
15
year
old,
even
16
year
old,
dating
a
22
year
old
24
year.
Old
man
is
not
normal.
It's
not
okay,
that
that
this
is
what
actually
exploiting
looks
like
this
is
what
trafficking
looks
like.
C
Then
they
really
start
to
understand
that
you
know
no
matter
what
decisions
I
made,
no
matter
what
I
wear
that
I
can
choose
to
wear
whatever
I
want
to
wear
and
that
I,
and
only
myself
can
give
consent
for
my
body.
You
know
so
once
they
really
start
to
understand
those
you
know
and
get
educated
in
that
then
that's
when
they
can
really
understand
that
you
know
I
was
a
victim
in
this.
I
was
a
victim
of
just
my
community.
I
was
a
victim
of
not
knowing
you
know.
C
I
was
a
victim
of
him
taking
advantage
because
he
knew
I
didn't
know
and
that
he
normalized
it
for
me
or
people
around
me
normalized
it
for
me.
So
once
they
will
start
getting
that
education,
then
they
can
really
understand
that
they
they
were
a
victim
and
that
they
can
start
to
say.
You
know
I
can
forgive
myself
for
the
past
and
really
move
on
and
that
I
can
reclaim
who
I
am
today
and
that
I,
and
only
I
can
speak
for
who
I
am
and
what
I'm
going
to
do
in
the
future.
E
Yes,
so
I
wanted
to
elaborate
on
the
john
peace,
because
it's
not
always
a
male
oftentimes,
it
can
be
a
female
oftentimes.
It
can
be
a
friend.
You
know
me
and
my
friends
were
going
to
this
boy's
house
and
you
know
there
happens
to
be
other
boys
there.
So
sometimes
it
could
look
like
that.
There's
just
a
lot
of
different
ways
that
exploitation
and
trafficking
can
look.
You
have
a
boyfriend
who's,
the
same
age
as
you
and
it's.
E
A
So
I
appreciate
that
that
nuance
and
that
that
depth
there.
So
we
have
this
moment
of
understanding
the
factors
that
are
at
play
and
that's
why
it's
so
important
to
raise
awareness
and
to
give
a
language
to
help
describe
more
accurately
and
more
holistically,
the
the
experience
and
what's
taken
place,
but
then
the
the
idea
here,
as
you
guys
mentioned
before,
isn't
to
stay
in
that.
Well,
I'm
a
victim
mentality
or
acknowledgement
it's
to
transition.
I
hear
this
idea
of
transformation
of
identity.
A
This
reclaiming
of
identity,
which
is
like
a
to
me,
is
like
a
reclaiming
of
personal
agency
to
say
yes,
I
understand
what
all
has
gone
in,
but
in
this
present
moment
I'm
giving
I'm
extending
myself
that
forgiveness
there's
a
moment
where
I'm
on
the
other
side
of
it
in
that
survivor,
kind
of
mentality
of
I
am
not
on
the
other
side,
but
then
the
surf
surf
thriver.
Am
I
saying
that
right,
sir
thriver?
A
That's
an
additional
transformation
now
they're
actively,
not
only
claiming
their
own
agency
they're
actively
in
pursuit
of
their
their
their
new
life,
so
to
speak
their
their
own
path
with
an
open-eyed
acknowledgement
of
the
past,
but
with
a
focus
on
on
the
future.
How
do
you
all
walk
with
people
through
you
know
through
that?
What
does
that
transformation
kind
of
look
like
in
real
time.
B
So
you're
talking
about
how
does
the
transformation?
What
does
it
look
like
in
real
time,
and
I
think
it
looks
different
for
a
lot
of
different
people,
so
I'm
gonna
ask
carly
what
would
you
say
in
reference
to
that
transformation
and
then
I'll
ask
corey
to
kind
of
add
some
light
to.
You
know
what
you've
seen,
because
we
we've
had
a
lot
of
really
great
success
stories.
B
One
of
the
things
that
we
know
from
this
work
is,
you
know,
I
think
brittany
said
it
that
you
know
our
our
past
doesn't
define
us
and
so
transformation
is
different
for
each
young
person,
but
I'll
ask
each
person
to
maybe
share
a
a
story
or
something
that
they
know
of.
In
terms
of
what
it's
been
to
see.
You
know
young
people
transform,
but
I'll
say.
F
F
You
know,
building
her
self-esteem,
really
working
with
people
around
her
that
encouraged
her
and
loved
her
and
supported
her
and
taking
the
first
dive
into
being
a
sur
thriver
by
helping
educate
the
community
by
using
their
voice
on
their
experience
on
really
helping
people
understand
that
it
is
actually
going
on
in
pittsburgh
and
that
it's
not
fake
news
and
then
moving
from
that
into
helping
other
young.
Ladies,
that
might
be
in
the
same
situation
or
could
potentially
be
in
the
same
situation.
F
I've
also
watched
that
young
lady,
you
know
going
to
college,
become
an
amazing
mother
and
doing
just
many
things
for
their
community
that
they
can
to
really
build
that
good
life
around
them
so
that
they
can
fully
move
on
from
what
had
happened
and
try
to
help
other
young.
Ladies
from
being
in
the
same
predicament,
I've
also
saw
other
young
ladies,
become
entrepreneurs,
amazing
mothers,
as
well,
really
being
that
person
for
the
community
that
mother
goose
looking
over
all
the
young
girls.
You
know
really
helping
to
me.
That's
a
sir
thriver
to
me.
D
Yeah,
I
would
just
piggyback
off
of
what
carly
said
just
basically,
I
think,
once
they
get
through
the
forgiving,
their
self
piece
and
embracing
their
new
journey
and
building
off
of
their
team
and
just
knowing
who
they
have
in
place
to
support
them
and
getting
that
stability
and
knowing
what
they
want.
I
feel,
like
you
know,
it's
go
from
there
like
I've,
seen
plenty
of
girls.
I
had
a
youth
that
I
worked
with,
who
you
know
was
caught
up
in
this
situation.
D
C
C
A
Yes,
yeah
safe
space
and
a
trusted
you
know
person
who's
equipped
to
to
hold
that
space
can
be
so
so
meaningful,
and
you
mentioned
this
idea
of
hope
cory.
Absolutely
it's
I
mean
it
shines
through
the
words
that
you
all
are
saying
for
sure.
Even
with
the
you
know,
the
tough
subject
matter,
you
clearly
there's
a
there's
a
testimony,
there's
several
testimonies
here.
A
Of
of
that
this
transformation
is
possible
and
has
it
has
happened
so
you
we
mentioned
this
idea
of
some
of
the
realities.
You
know
here
in
pittsburgh,
we
like
to
talk
about
as
practical
as
possible
for
folks
that
are
watching
ways
that
they
can
support
and
get
involved.
What
are
some
of
the
ways
that
your
average
you
know,
neighbor
so
to
speak,
can
learn
more
about
this
space
and
the
realities
that
are
at
play,
but
also
support,
gwen's
girls
and
the
work
that
you
do.
B
So
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
happens
and
we
want
to
be
really
careful,
because
when
people
hear
you
know
about
csac
commercial
sexual
exploitation,
I
think
immediately
they
want
to
get
involved
and
they
want
to
do
something.
But
it
does
take
a
skill.
It
takes
an
expertise
and
we
have
to
understand
that
there
is
a
trauma,
that's
related
to
this,
and
we
don't
want
to
re-victimize
people.
B
They
don't
realize
that
they
are
in
this
life,
and
so
it
just
people
have
to
be
very
careful
with
the
way
that
they
handle
this
situation.
So
the
best
thing
I'm
going
to
say
that
the
best
thing
that
the
public
can
do
is
just
to
report
it
to
the
local
police
department
and
if
there
are
young
people
they're
actually
struggling.
I
do
want
to
give
the
number
to
the
national
human
trafficking
hotline,
which
is
1-888-373-7888.
B
Also,
you
can
contact
us
at
contact
us
at
gwynnsgirls.org,
we'll
be
more
than
happy
to
support
individuals,
young
girls,
that
are
going
through
this
process,
families
that
are
going
through
this,
but
I
think
it's
really
important
that
people
don't
try
to
say
well,
I
just
heard
a
30-minute.
You
know
facebook
live
on
c-sec.
So
now
I
can,
you
know
rescue
people.
That
is
that's
not
what
it's
about
it's
it's
a
lot
more
than
that.
So
we
really
want
to.
A
A
We
see
that
in
street
outreach
for
say,
gun
violence,
things
like
that,
but
also
this
the
same
sentiment
miss
tawanda.
This
idea
of
you
know
folks,
we'll
get
passion
enthusiastic,
and
we
want
to
honor
that,
but
there's
a
reality
of
the
need
for
trained
and
equipped
expertise
to
truly
to
truly
do
this
work
you
know
effectively
and
and
what
we
try
to
do
in
the
space
in
general
terms,
is
highlight.
A
You
know,
opportunities
for
trainings
or
programs
where
folks
can
learn
more
so
that
if
they
truly
feel
led
and
called
they
can,
they
can
become
equipped
or
they
can
come
alongside
folks
that
are
equipped
and
help,
as
you
know,
as
they
will.
But
I
really
appreciate
you
you
mentioning
that
in
this
space
you
know
as
well
there's
such
a
possibility
of
re-traumatization
even
with
the
best
of
intentions,
and
these
are
very,
very
sensitive
and
and
traumatic
experiences,
and-
and
that
can't
be
emphasized.
A
You
know
enough
I'd
like
to
talk
about
this
idea
very
quickly
of
of
the
focus
on
strengths
that
you
all
do
in
in
the
mentorship
that
that
you
do
when
you're,
when
you're
talking
about
you're
talking
with
folks.
How
do
you
go
about
identifying
those
and
then
what
does
a
process?
Look
like
for
kind
of
encouraging
that
and
connecting
them
with?
You
know
where
they
are
passionate,
where
they
do
have
strengths
where
they
have
interests
in
this
field
or
in
this
type.
You
know
of
work.
E
So
I
think
for
us
how
we
based
off
of
you,
know
what
their
needs
are.
Just
basic
engagement
like
we,
you
know,
said
throughout
the
podcast
meeting,
our
youth,
where
they're
at
so
just
having
a
basic
conversation,
whether
that
be
connecting
them
through
games
like
connect4
or
uno.
Sometimes
we
can
have
basic
conversations
through
that,
sometimes
taking
a
walk
to
actually
figuring
out
what
the
youth
you
know
likes
and
enjoys,
and
it'll
come
out
once
you're
able
to
build
that
engagement.
E
F
E
C
C
So
if
I
or
one
of
the
mentors
started
meeting
with
a
young
lady-
and
she
doesn't-
you
know,
respond
to
her
text
or
a
call
to
confirm
the
visit,
we'll
still
go,
we'll
still
go
to
her
house
knock
on
door
and
text,
her
say
hey.
You
know.
I
came
to
your
house,
you
weren't
here
today,
but
I'm
thinking
about
you.
How
are
you
today,
you
know,
being
that
consistent
young
girls
who
maybe
I've
worked
in
the
past,
who
you
know
kind
of
didn't
meet
with
me
for
a
whole
month?
C
I
will
still
once
a
week
or
even
bi-weekly,
or
even
more
than
that
text
them
in
the
morning
and
say
I
I
hope
you
have
a
really
good
day
today.
You
know
hey.
I
heard
this
song
that
made
me
think
about
you
and
and
it's
not
that
we're
doing
it,
because
this
is
where
their
job
we're
doing
it,
because
we're
truly
passionate
about
it,
and
we
really
want
these
girls
to
get
into
the
place
where
they
know
that
there's
an
adult
who
truly
cares
about
them.
C
That
wants
nothing
from
them
other
than
them
loving
and
being
successful
for
themselves
and
whatever
that
success
looks
like
for
them.
So
for
some
girls
that
success
may
be
I'm
going
to
a
four-year
university.
Some
success
means
I'm
I'm
getting
stable
housing.
Some
success
means
I'm
raising
my
children
and
they're
not
involved
in
in
the
system.
Some
success
may
be.
I
got
a
job
and
I'm
I'm
happy
with
that.
You
know.
Some
success
means
that
I
haven't
smoked
or
done
drugs,
alcohol
or
I
haven't
sold
myself
in
three
days
and
that's
a
success.
C
You
know
every
milestone
is,
you
know,
met
with
a
cheer,
you
know
every
mouse.
So
if
I
had
a
young
lady
who
didn't
go
to
school
for
six
months
and
she
went
to
school
for
two
two
days
out
of
one
week
and
we
went
out
to
a
restaurant
to
celebrate,
because
I
was
so
happy
that
she
finally
went
to
school
and
for
some
people
that
may
look
minute
because
it
was
only
two
days
but
for
her
that
was
a
major
success.
C
So
building
that
relationship
being
consistent,
you
know
and
that's
how
we
really
pull
out
those
strengths,
some
girls.
You
know
they
just
dabble
in
doing
nail
art
and
they
don't
really
see
how
that
can
be
a
career.
So
then
we
link
them
to
other
women
who
are
doing
now,
art
who
are
successful
in
their
own
right
and
now
they
can
see
this.
This
can
actually
be
a
business.
C
For
me,
this
can
be
a
job
for
me
and
that
can
be
successful
in
here,
so
linking
them,
because
we
know
that
women's
girls
can't
be
their
end-all
be-all,
so
making
sure
that
we're
working
ourselves
out
of
a
job
by
making
sure
that
we're
connecting
them
with
resources
with
other
survivors
for
other
women,
who
are
entrepreneurs
or
business
owners
that
want
that
are
in
the
same
field
that
these
young
ladies
want
to
be
in.
I
think
that's
most
important.
F
I
also
want
to
add
the
importance
of
engagement.
First,
you
know
when
you're
first
meeting
somebody,
you
don't
know
them
you're
not
going
to
want
to
sit
down
and
tell
your
life
story
to
them.
That's
any
of
us,
so
it
is
so
important
to
really
let
that
you
get
to
know
you
first
before
expecting
any
information
out
of
them.
Let
them
build
a
trust
with
you,
because
you
got
to
remember.
B
I
think
they
have
done
a
really
good
job
at
you
know,
really
summon
summing
it
up.
The
one
thing
I
do
want
to
highlight
is
that
we
approach
this
work
from
a
therapeutic
lens,
so
we
are
a
sanctuary
certified
model
and
everybody
in
our
organization
is
trained
through
that
lens
as
well,
and
so
we
are
always
looking
at.
B
You
know
what
has
happened
versus
what
is
wrong
with
the
young
people
that
we
interact
with
on
a
regular
basis
and
always
looking
for
the
why,
behind
the
behavior
I
know,
sometimes
adults
are
put
off
when
they
see
young
people
that
are
acting
out
or
maybe
they
think
their
behaviors
are.
You
know
a
little
out
of
control,
but
we're
always
looking
for
what
is
the?
Why
behind
the
behavior
and
trying
to
be
really
solution,
oriented
and
really
working
with
that
young
person
to
get
them
to
a
place
where
they
are?
You
know
healing.
A
B
Absolutely
so
we
are
a
sanctuary
model,
and
you
know
I
don't
just
do
sanctuary
at
work.
Sanctuary
is
is
a
part
of
my
life
and
we
were
really
fortunate
to
be
able
to
take
a
take
part
in
this
training.
But
every
meeting
that
we
do
at
gwen's
girl
starts
off
with
three
questions.
We
sort
everything
off
with
these
three
questions,
and
that
is
how
are
you
feeling
what
are
your
goals
for
today
and
who
can
you
ask
for
help?
Should
you
need
it?
B
We
ask
those
three
questions,
because
we
always
want
to
gauge
the
mood
of
our
girls.
We
don't
use
words
like
good.
We
always
encourage
them
to
use
filling
words
to
really
be
in
touch
with
how
they're
feeling,
in
addition
to
that,
we
always
want
them
to
be
goal
oriented,
so
we're
asking
them.
What
are
their
goals?
What
are
they
focused
on,
but
we
always
want
them
to
know
that
we
got
them
we're
going
to
support
them
through
whatever
it
is
that
they're
going
through.
B
It
gives
us
an
opportunity
before
we
start
our
time
to
transition
them
from
where
they
were
at
to
where
they
are
now
and
to
really
let
them
know
that
we
are
present
and
with
them,
and
that
model
isn't
just
done
for
our
girls.
We
do
that
amongst
ourselves
as
well.
Whenever
we
start
a
meeting,
we
are
continually
checking
in
with
one
another
one
of
the
things
that
we
know
is
that
when
we're
in
these
helping
fields
doing
this
work,
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we're
taking
care
of
the
caregiver
as
well.
B
A
E
F
Really
educating
each
other
about
real
self-care,
you
know
taking
care
of
ourselves
whether
that
is
establishing
just
the
time
of
the
day
to
do
something
just
for
you
or
establishing
a
therapist
or
somebody
that
you
would
feel
comfortable
and
talking
to.
We
also
encourage
each
other
a
lot
when
we
see
if
somebody
is
having
a
rough
day,
especially
during
our
check-ins
one
of
the
things
is,
if
somebody
didn't
pass
united,
check-ins
and
they're
not
feeling
well
well,
do
you
need
a
check-in?
C
I
think
I'm
just
really
grateful
to
be
a
supervisor
of
these
three
awesome
amazing
mentors
here
and
the
point
I
really
try
to
make
like
carly
said:
is
that
self-care
piece
and
not
just
sick?
I
think
we
all
oh
self-care.
We
just
throw
that
word
out
those
two
words
out
there
and
we
don't
actually
mean
it.
So
when
my
staff
are
taking
a
self-care
day,
I
make
sure
they're
taking
self-care
today.
C
So
that's
a
look
like
taking
a
walk
listening
to
music,
something
like
that
and
you
don't
have
to
say
I'm
using
my
safety
plan.
You
don't
say
brittany,
I'm
using
my
safety
plan.
I
need
to
go
outside.
You
can
simply
just
use
your
safety
plan
and
bring
what
I
like
to
say
bring
yourself
back
to
center
and
whatever
that
looks
like
for
you.
A
Okay,
my
friends,
I
think
we
should
bring
our
conversation
to
a
closer.
Obviously
we
could
keep
probably
talking
about
this,
for
you
know,
for
hours
or
so
much
so
much
here,
I
think
just
open
it
up
for
a
couple
final
final
questions
or
anything
that
we
didn't
touch
on,
whether
it's
misconceptions
or
facts
about
the
work
or
just
something
you'd
like
to
share
about
this
work
before
we
move
on.
C
I
would
like
to
add
that
black
and
black
and
brown
girls
can
be
victims
too,
that
we
have
to
really
put
outside
our
own
personal
stereotypes
and
biases
that
we
may
have
particularly
against
girls
of
color
when
it
comes
to
being
exploited
and
to
know
that
no
one
just
seeks
out
or
is
sought
out
to
be
exploited
that
they
are
truly
in
need.
And
if
you
don't
have
that
education
or
background,
like
ms
swanda
said
earlier,
in
the
podcast
truly
reach
out
to
that
person
and
be
mindful
and
intentional,
in
your
interactions.
C
So
running
up
to
someone
to
their
exploiter.
Trying
to
pull
them
out
is
not
going
to
ever
be
the
best
way
to
get
a
young
person
out
of
their
life.
And
then,
when
you
are
meeting
with
someone,
be
truly
intentional,
with
your
actions,
making
sure
that
you're
actually
giving
your
full
attention
to
that
person.
Put
your
cell
phone
down
and
letting
them
know
that
this
is
a
safe
space
for
them
and
that
you're
here
to
support
them.
And
whatever
that
support,
may
look
like
for
that.
Young
person.
B
B
F
Yeah,
just
some
tips
for
adults
and
parents
that
way
they
can
spot
a
potential
exploitation
things
like
emotional
withdrawal
from
the
youth
as
well
as
new
shoes.
You
know
name
brand
purses
their
hair
done
things
that
they
can't
financially
provide
for
themselves
and
you're,
not
financially.
Providing
those
could
be
red
flags
as
well
as
sometimes
promiscuity
could
be
red
flags.
F
F
Support
it
to
the
national
hotline
to
law
enforcement,
I
mean
don't
be
judgmental
really
like.
We
continue
to
say
meet
them
where
they're
at
be
that
support
for
them.
Let
them
know
that
you
love
them
you're
there
for
them
to
support
them.
You
want
to
help
them,
don't
force
it
down
to
threats
that
they're
a
victim.
A
Okay,
you
all
shared
just
so
many
wonderful
ideas.
You
know
today.
I
love
this
idea
that
was
mentioned
earlier
post
the
transformation,
this
idea
of
building
a
whole
life
around
yourself
and
honoring,
what
you're
into
and
and
pursuing
it
with
passion
and
with
support
and
with
community
in
all
of
this,
and
it
reminds
me
of
a
line
that
I
saw
online
recently
from
a
poet
I
think
his
name
is
or
their
name
is.
Louise
gluck,
and
it
said
I
was
just
struck
by
it.
A
F
I'd
have
to
piggyback
off
tatiana
knowing
the
life
as
it
is
coming
out
of
the
life.
Seeing
where
am
I,
I
know
that
it's
possible,
I'm
also
very
happy
of
the
awareness
that
is
now
being
brought
about
in
the
programs
and
resources
that
are
being
openly
available
to
these
young.
Ladies
and
males
that
are
being
exploited
and
people
wanting
to
know
and
wanting
to
help
and
these
young.
Ladies
really,
you
know
understanding,
what's
going
on
and
starting
to
come
out
of
this
life
and
wanting
better.
C
B
I
think
I've
been
doing
this
for
a
long
time
josiah,
so
I'm
a
little
bit
older.
I
know
you
can't
tell
that
most
of
the
the
women
that
are
sitting
here,
but
one
of
the
things
that
definitely
gives
me
hope
is
the
consistency
of
our
actions
as
people
who
do
this
work
being
able
to
approach
it
in
a
way
that
is
strength
based
non-judgmental
and
really
believing
that
our
girls,
our
young
people,
when
they
are
ready,
they
will
save
themselves,
and
we
are
the
support
there
to
help
guide
them
to
that
path.
A
A
I
very
much
appreciate
that
this
afternoon
now
I
should
say-
and
I'd
like
to
also
thank
those
that
have
tuned
in
whether
in
the
pers
in
person
or
after
the
fact
for
being
interested
in
this
topic,
and
this
conversation
is
very
meaningful
to
us
and
we
appreciate
it.
I
just
want
to
echo
what
was
shared:
the
the
resources,
the
hotline
to
reach
out
to
gwen's
girls.