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A
Well,
good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
our
june
july
27th
task
force,
meeting
and
discussion.
Today
we
are
going
to
be
featured
by
a
distinguished
group
of
leaders
from
our
community
that
will
speak
to
us
about
pittsburgh,
police
and
schools,
as
well
as
some
additional
community
advocacy
by
minister
danielle
drewy.
A
Following
our
presentation,
we
will
continue
the
discussion
and
get
some
updates
from
our
subcommittees
and
discuss
any
follow-up
work
that
needs
to
come
forward
co-chair.
B
Thank
you,
I'm
sorry
yeah.
I
don't
have
anything
to
add.
Thank
you
all,
as
always
for
all
of
your
time,
and
I
just
look
forward
to
hearing
the
panel
discussion
in
the
meantime.
I
I
just
got
a
text
from
mr
drury
that
he
did
not
receive
the
zoom
zoom
information.
I
just
passed
that
on
to
him,
so
he
should
be
short
joining
pretty
shortly,
but
thank
you.
A
All
right
bobby,
will
you
introduce
our
panel
for
today.
C
Absolutely
I
will
not
take
a
whole
lot
of
time
because
I
know
everyone
received
in
advance
of
the
meeting
a
short
description
of
our
distinguished
guests
this
evening
and
their
very
important
work
in
the
public
school
system.
We
have
with
us
this
evening,
kathy
elliott,
sarah
goodkind
and
gotta
makoshi,
I'm
gotta.
If
I
mispronounced
your
last
name,
please
correct
me:
all
three
of
these
fabulous
individuals
have
been
hard
at
work
with
the
black
girls
equity
alliance,
doing
work
in
our
schools
to
take
a
look
at
the
disproportionate
referrals
of
african-american
girls
and
boys.
C
In
fact,
it's
larger
than
most
large
cities
across
the
united
states,
and
so
I
welcome
kathy
sarah
and
gada
to
share
with
us
this
evening.
Their
work
with
the
align
and
their
potential
recommendations
for
us
to
put
forth
in
terms
of
the
pittsburgh
police,
bureau's
interaction
with
pittsburgh,
public
schools,
so
that
we
might
reduce
the
school-to-prison
pipeline.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
our
speakers.
D
Good
afternoon
I'm
kathy
elliott,
as
she
mentioned,
and
so
god
is
going
to
share
our
slide
presentation
with
you
today.
So
we
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
and
look
forward
to
having
your
questions
and
addressing
any
concerns
and
questions
that
you
would
have
at
the
end.
D
So
I
will
start
on
this
presentation
by
giving
you
a
brief
overview
of
what
are
we
we're
going
to
present
today,
I
will
share
information
about
who
we
are
as
a
group
and
the
history
behind
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
over
the
past
few
years.
Sarah
will
provide
an
overview
of
the
data
which
will
highlight
the
arrest
and
referral
to
juvenile
probation
data
from
2019
next
slide.
D
So
on
the
next
slide,
I'm
going
to
provide
you
an
overview
of
just
who
we
are,
and
so
in
2015
gwen's
girls
and
the
advisory
members
of
the
gwendolyn
j
elliott
institute.
That's
the
research
arm
of
gwen's
girls
started
looking
at
what
was
happening
with
girls
and,
more
specifically,
black
girls
in
allegheny
county.
D
from
that,
we
held
a
summit
to
examine
the
issues
that
highlighted
that
were
highlighted
in
the
report
and
so
the
high
disproportionate
rate
of
referrals
to
juvenile
justice
in
the
child
welfare
system.
The
high
and
disproportionate
rate
of
suspensions
and
expulsions,
as
well
as
high
rates
of
negative
health
disparities,
were
what
we
looked
at
and
then
from
there.
It
evolved
into
us.
D
And
so
we
are
here
today
to
just
give
you
a
presentation
about
some
of
the
alarming
information
that
we've
been
working
on
in
the
juvenile
justice
work
group,
specifically,
which
is
co-convened
by
kim
booth,
the
assistant
chief
probation
officer
of
allegheny
county
juvenile
court
and
dr
sarah
goodkind.
D
You
know
been
talking
to
people
across
the
country
and
there's
very
few
groups
that
have
come
together
that
have
all
the
different
entities
that
are
impacting
youth
coming
together
and
one,
and
so
one
of
the
significant
things
that
we
wanted
to
point
out
is
that
the
data
that
we
share
today,
as
well
as
the
data
that
we
that
you'll
see
in
our
reports,
come
directly
from
the
individuals
that
work
within
the
system.
So
it's
not
that
we
are
going
out
and
seeking
or
even
coming
up
with
this
data
on
our
own.
D
These
are
entities
that
are
sharing
their
information
and
I
feel
like
that
is
one
of
the
key
things
that
makes
the
work
that
we
do
most
impactful
and
insightful
because
we
have
the
various
systems
that
we
are
saying
are.
You
know:
have
these
racial
and
systemic
biases
in
their
systems.
They're
coming
to
the
table
to
have
these
conversations,
so
we've
been
meeting
regularly
for
three
years
now:
gathering
information
on
local
referrals
to
juvenile
justice
and
listening
to
not
only
probation
officers.
D
You
know
police
officers
within
pittsburgh,
public
schools,
as
well
as
the
city
police
department,
and
I
would
like
to
just-
and
you
know,
plug
right
here-
that
commander
lando
has
been
to
many
of
our
meetings
and
is
a
part
of
the
black
girls
equity
alliance.
D
D
So
in
our
reports
and
the
work
that
you
see
us
do,
it
will
not
only
look
at
gender
but
looking
at
black
girls,
but
we
look
at
the
cross-section
of
gender
and
race
and
will
always
be
reflected
in
our
reports
and
then.
Lastly,
we
know
that
the
policy
changes
that
we
advocate
for
for
black
girls
will
ultimately
impact
all
youth
so
last
year,
what
you're
seeing
here
is
a
report
that
we
published
on
the
pathways
to
juvenile,
just
juvenile
court.
F
Thanks
kathy
and
thanks
to
all
of
you
for
having
us
here
today
and
for
your
work
on
this
important
task
force,
as
you
heard
before,
I'm
a
faculty
member
in
the
school
of
social
work
at
pitt
and
also
the
co-convener
of
the
black
girls
equity
alliance,
juvenile
justice
work
group.
I
come
to
this
work
with
20
years
of
experience
researching
the
juvenile
justice
system.
F
This
shows
referrals
to
juvenile
justice
in
allegheny
county,
because
juvenile
justice
is
administered
at
the
county
level.
The
good
news
is
that
juvenile
justice
referral
rates
in
allegheny
county
have
been
cut
in
half
for
most
groups
over
the
last
15
years,
and
this
mirrors
national
trends.
F
This
is
in
part
because
our
local
referral
rates
for
black
youth
are
higher
than
national
referral
rates
for
black
youth
and
our
local
referral
rates
for
white
youth
are
lower
than
national
referral
rates
for
white
youth.
I
want
to
note
actually,
even
before.
G
F
Slide
that
the
differences
in
referral
rates
between
black
and
white
youth
cannot
be
accounted
for
by
differences
in
behaviors.
So
just
for
one
example,
black
and
white
girls
in
allegheny
county
have
nearly
identical
rates
of
drug
use,
and
we
know
this
from
the
healthy
allegheny
teen
survey,
which
surveyed
a
representative
sample
of
teens
in
our
county.
However,
black
girls
in
our
county
are
three
times
more
likely
than
white
girls
to
be
referred
to
juvenile
justice
for
drug
offenses.
F
F
Most
juvenile
justice
referrals
come
from
police
via
arrests,
but
they
also
come
from
district
magistrates,
schools,
victims
and
parents.
So
you
can
see
here
on
this
slide
that
the
pittsburgh
police
are
the
number
one
referral
source
of
black
boys
and
that
the
pittsburgh
public
schools
police
are
the
number
one
referral
source
of
black
girls.
At
the
same
time,
that
district
magistrates
are
the
top
referral
source
for
white
youth
in
our
county.
F
The
next
slide
shows
2019
arrest
rates,
and
this
is
just
for
pittsburgh,
youth,
similar
to
referrals
to
juvenile
justice.
We
see
very
high
levels
of
racial
disproportionality
higher
than
nationally
and
again,
these
cannot
be
accounted
for
by
differences
in
behaviors.
Virtually
all
arrests
of
pittsburgh
youth
are
made
by
either
city
police
or
pittsburgh.
F
Public
schools,
police,
and
this
next
slide
shows
the
proportion
of
arrests
of
black
girls,
white
girls,
white
boys
and
black
boys
that
are
made
by
these
two
police
forces
or
that
were
made
by
them
in
2019,
and
one
thing
of
note
on
this
slide
is
that
two-thirds
of
all
arrests
of
black
girls
in
pittsburgh
in
2019
were
made
by
the
pittsburgh
public
schools
police.
Even
though
young
people
are
only
in
school
for
about
half
the
days
of
the
year
when
you
account
for
weekends
and
vacations,
and
not
all
black
students
in
pittsburgh
attend
pps.
F
F
F
F
So,
just
to
sum
up
some
of
the
important
thoughts
about
their
arrests.
These
sites
have
demonstrated
that
we're
arresting
black
youth
in
pittsburgh
at
extremely
high
rates.
Arrests
of
young
people
disrupt
their
schooling
and
life
trajectories,
for
example,
research
that
controls
for
background
delinquent
behavior
and
other
relevant
factors
finds
that
an
arrest
doubles
the
likelihood
that
a
student
will
drop
out
of
high
school
and
that
this
effect
is
larger
for
students
engaging
in
less
serious
behaviors.
F
Therefore,
one
of
the
overarching
recommendations
that
we
offer
you
today
is
for
pittsburgh
to
implement
a
pre-arrest
diversion
program
for
youth,
which
would
require
collaboration
between
the
police
and
the
district
attorney,
and
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
gada.
Now
to
talk
more
about
summary
citations
and
the
mou.
I
Thank
you,
sarah
hi,
my
name
is
gana
mikushi
and
I
work
for
the
aclu.
As
a
community
advocate,
my
focus
is
on
school
policing
within
allegheny
county.
I'm
going
to
start
talking
about
summary
citations
and
explain
a
little
bit
about
what
they
are
so
so
many
citations,
as
sarah
mentioned,
are
similar
to
traffic
tickets.
They're
issued
for
minor
infractions,
usually
typical
teenage
behavior,
excessive
noise
vaping
obscene
gestures,
although
they
seem
minor,
they
are
harmful
and
they
have
collateral
consequences.
I
So
they
are
considered
adult
criminal
offenses.
There
is
no
distinction
between
adult
and
juveniles
when
it
comes
to
citations,
unlike
in
juvenile
court,
additional
youth
are
not
provided
with
legal
counsel,
so
they
may
not
even
understand
what
all
of
their
rights
are
if
a
student
fails
to
show
up
to
their
summary
trial.
I
So
when
you
get
a
citation
you
have
to
show
up
in
front
of
a
magistrate
if
a
youth
does
not
show
up,
they
can
be
tried
in
absentia
and
the
trial
may
be
conducted
without
their
presence,
and
although
that
child
could
appeal
within
30
days
again,
they
have
no
legal
counsel,
and
so
most
don't
know
how
or
even
that
they
can
do.
This
summary
citations
typically
result
in
fines,
and
this
is
how
these
minor
infractions
quickly
escalate.
I
I
So
a
youth
could
get
a
citation
for
vaping
and
end
up
in
juvenile
court
because
they
couldn't
pay
fines.
It's
essentially
punishing
poverty
and
an
inability
to
pay
additionally,
there's
a
record
of
these
criminal
convictions
that
cannot
be
expunged
until
five
years,
after
all,
conditions
have
been
met.
So,
to
give
you
an
example,
let's
say
a
youth
receives
a
summary
citation
at
14
and
immediately
pays
all
of
the
fines.
I
As
we
get
into
the
data
of
summary
citations,
we
can
see
that
nearly
70
percent
of
citations
issued
by
city
police
are
to
black
youth,
even
though
they
account
for
only
40
percent
of
the
youth
population
in
pittsburgh.
Black
youth
are
also
10
times
more
likely
than
their
white
youth
to
be
referred
to
the
juvenile
justice.
For
this
failure
to
comply
charge,
disorderly
conduct
was
the
most
frequent
charge
cited
and
86
of
all
of
those
disorderly
conduct.
Charges
were
issued
to
black
youth
again,
even
though
they
only
account
for
40.
I
I
I
Since
2017,
the
aclu
has
been
negotiating
with
the
school
board
to
make
changes
to
the
mou
on
issues
that
violate
the
privacy
of
students
and
that
lead
to
the
over-criminalization
of
youth,
particularly
black
youth
and
youth
with
disabilities,
and
while
some
progress
has
been
made,
this
current
draft
still
overuses
police
and
interventions
with
youth.
So
currently
all
school
districts
in
pennsylvania
are
required
to
call
law
enforcement
if
a
student
commits
any
one
of
24
infractions.
I
I
So
our
recommendation
to
you
is
to
ask
for
the
removal
of
the
seven
discretionary
offenses
from
section
2a
of
the
mou
to
allow
schools
the
discretion
to
determine
the
appropriate
resolution
and
then
to
recap,
on
the
recommendations
that
we've
listed
so
far
is
remove
the
seven
discretionary
offenses
from
section
2a
from
the
mou
place.
A
moratorium
on
issuing
summary
citations
to
youth
until
issues
on
disproportionality
can
be
addressed
and
clear
guidelines
established
and
implement
a
pre-arrest
diversion
program
similar
to
philadelphia
and
I'll,
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
that
right
now.
I
So
the
philadelphia
police
school
diversion
program
is
a
pre-arrest
diversion.
So
the
goal
was
to
reduce
arrests
and
racial
disparities
in
arrest
rates
and
to
increase
school
retention.
When
an
incident
occurs,
school
police
contact,
a
dedicated
staff
person
at
the
philadelphia
police
department,
the
ppd
determines
whether
the
defense
is
eligible.
If
the
offense
is
serious,
the
student
is
arrested.
If
it's
a
summary
misdemeanor,
they
call
the
intake
center
and
diverted
youth
receive
an
initial
home
visit
from
the
department
of
human
services
and
police
within
72
hours.
I
They
are
then
referred
to
the
appropriate
community
provider
for
services
such
as
academic
support,
social
and
emotional
competency,
building,
mentoring,
parental
involvement,
etc.
Eligible
youth
for
their
first
offense
are
offered
a
chance
to
participate
in
this
diversion
program.
No
arrest
is
made
whether
they
agree
to
join
this
program
or
not
most
do
participate,
and
here
are
the
results
of
the
program.
I
So
in
the
first
year,
arrests
dropped
by
50
percent
in
year,
four
by
71
percent
and
last
year,
which
I
think
was
probably
their
sixth
year
arrests
dropped
to
187
students,
while
pittsburgh
arrested
266.
So,
as
sarah
stated
earlier,
that
made
arrests
at
pittsburgh,
public
schools
eight
times
the
rate
of
philadelphia,
public
schools.
I
And
that
is
the
end
of
our
presentation.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
Kathy
did
you
wanna
conclude.
D
Yes,
so,
as
god
said,
thank
you
very
much
for
this
opportunity.
D
We
will
provide
these
slides
this
presentation
and
then
the
following
slides,
give
you
information
more
background
about
who
we
are
and
where
we
receive
the
data,
as
well
as
links
to
different
reports
and
and
different
resources
that
you
can
use
to
kind
of
further
educate
yourself
on.
You
know
the
data,
and
so
I
think
another
thing
to
point
out
and
it's
one
of
the
links.
That's
there
is
that
these
systems
have
a
dashboard,
the
allegheny
county
dashboard.
D
Actually
has
you
have
access
to
be
able
to
draw
down
on
real-time
data
to
be
able
to
see
what's
actually
happening
here
in
the
county
and
then
it's
by
neighborhoods
as
well.
So
you
can
look
at
that
as
well.
D
C
I
have
a
question
the
pre-arrest
diversion
program
that
you
highlight
from
philadelphia.
You
indicated
that
the
police
and
the
d.a
would
need
to
cooperate,
I'm
assuming
also
the
the
school
district.
Can
you
talk
about
what
would
need
to
be
in
place
to
be
able
to
move
forward
with
that
kind
of
a
program.
I
In
pennsylvania,
sorry
in
philadelphia,
it
was
actually
the
commissioner
kevin
bethel
that
was
tired
of
seeing
youth
arrested
at
such
high
rates
with
pittsburgh
public
schools,
and
so
he
coordinated,
I
think,
with
drexel
university,
with
philadelphia
public
school
district
with
the
department
of
health
in
one
of
the
links
we
have.
We
have
a
report
that
summarizes
actually
all
of
the
different
organizations
and
kind
of
how
he
did
it,
and
that
is.
E
J
And
not
so
much
a
question
as
much
as
a
comment.
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
presentation.
I
think
it's
really
important
and
vital
that
we
talk
about
this
and
the
question
that
I
do
have
is:
how
would
you
see
this
rolled
out
and
what
can
we
do
as
the
police
reform
task
force
to
bring
this
into
fruition?
A
lot
of
the
conversation
that
we've
heard
is
that
the
pittsburgh
police
and
the
pittsburgh
police
and
public
schools
are
not
the
same
entities.
D
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
highlighted
when
I
was
speaking
was
the
mou
itself.
I
mean
that's
the
first
step,
it's
clear:
it's
a
in
the
attorney
from
the
city
law
department
as
well
as
pittsburgh.
Public
schools
have
been
meeting
for
a
while
now,
and
so
there
is
this
opportunity,
as
gada
pointed
out
to
you
know
not
make
it.
D
We
know
that
mou
need
to
exist
and
what
we
didn't
talk
about
is
how
there
hasn't
been
one
for
what
10
years
or
so
but
they're
finally
working
on
it,
and
so
we
are
recommending
that
we,
it
doesn't
be
a
document
or
a
process
that
is
more
punitive,
that
it
even
needs
to
be,
and
so
adding.
D
The
addition
of
those
several
seven
areas
that
was
highlighted
in
our
presentation
is
what
not
only
the
aclu
the
education
law
center,
many
organizations
that
have
been
advocating
on
making
sure
that
this
mou
is
equitable
and
doesn't
further
criminalize
students
and
particularly
black
students.
So
this
is
one
specific
area
that
you
all
can
you
know
maybe
address
and
and
have
a
recommendation,
if
not
to
the
law
department,
to
the
mayor
on
having
a
a
a
stronger
voice
in
this
process.
F
That,
oh,
I
just
want
to
add
real
quick
to
what
kathy
was
saying.
Also,
you
know
in
the
other
report
that
we're
working
on
now.
We
also
recommend
eliminating
pps
police.
We
didn't
talk
about
that
today,
because
we
wanted
to
focus
on
things
that
we
felt
were
more
under
the
purview
of
this
task
force
being
part
of
the
city,
but
you
know
I
actually
was
really
surprised
to
find
that
more
than
half
of
all
arrests
of
pittsburgh,
youth
were
being
done
by
pittsburgh.
F
Public
schools,
police
right
that
we
have
really
higher
rates
in
our
schools
compared
with
other
places,
as
we
talked
about
multiple
times.
So
you
know,
I
don't
know,
if
that's
something
that
you
all
want
to
include
in
your
report
or
not
or
how
much
that.
J
J
F
J
That
is
definitely
within
the
wheelhouse
of
this
task
force,
and
particularly
those
of
us
from
the
subcommittee
to
unbundle.
The
police
is
what
we're
calling
the
defunding,
and
it
would
be
vital
for
us
to
have
your
information
so
that
we
can
help
that
to
happen.
So
definitely
if
we
could
receive
that,
that
would
be
great
and
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
D
So
right
now
we're
waiting
for
it
to
go
to
the
printer,
but
we
probably
can
talk
amongst
the
group
and
probably
release
a
pre
draft
for
you
all
to
see
depending
on
how,
because
I
know
that
this
group
is
your
recommendations,
are
time
sensitive.
And
so
we
will
make
sure
that
you
have
the
information.
G
So
I
was
going
to
ask
a
question
about
rehabilitation
but
which
you
had
mentioned
at
the
beginning,
but
staying
on
this
topic
for
a
minute,
I'm
still
trying
to
get
my
mind
around
how
it
works
right
now,
so
the
pittsburgh
public
police
pete,
sorry,
the
pittsburgh
public
school
police
officers.
What
are
we
calling
them
officers?
G
I
So
the
mou
is
a
negotiation
between
the
school
district
and
local
law
enforcement,
so
the
pittsburgh
city,
police,
pittsburgh,
public
schools,
police
are
police
officers,
they
have
the
same
training,
but
what
they,
their
jurisdiction,
is
only
on
school
grounds
or
school
events
and
whether
they
are
armed
or
whatever
they
are
allowed
to
carry
is
also
the
jurisdiction
of
the
school.
And
so
currently
our
pittsburgh
school
police
officers
are
unarmed.
F
Work
for
the
district
they're
members
of
the
teachers
union
and
there
are
only
about
20
or
22
of
them,
so
some
of
them
20,
yeah
yeah.
Some
of
them
are
stationed
every
day
in
the
high
schools.
That's
my
understanding
and
then
some
of
them
are.
You
know
caught
kind
of
floating
between.
I
That
is
to
set
the
guidelines
for
what
city
police
like
when
they
should
enter
the
schools
under
like
what
circumstances
under
which
offensive
kind
of
to
set
a
guideline
for
what
this
outside
police
department
can
do.
Again,
it's
not
a
contract,
it's
just
an
agreement,
but
between
what
they
can
do
on
school
grounds.
So,
for
example,
in
the
mou
we
said,
let's
say
a
student
has
a
warrant
out
for
their
arrest.
I
Do
you
actually
have
to
go
on
to
school
grounds
and
arrest
them
like?
Is
that
really
the
best
way,
because
now
that
child
is
going
to
be
scared
of
going
to
school
right,
so
we
put
into
place
a
number
of
things
that
city
police
have
to
consider
before
entering
school
grounds
to
arrest
a
student
things
like
we
can
send
you
a
copy
of
the
mou.
It's
a
public
document.
G
I
Rare
so
yeah
it's
it
goes
to
the
police
in
general
and
then
they
determine
whether
it's
going
to
the
school
police
or
to
the
city
police.
So
I
can
give
you
an
example.
In
one
year,
teachers
and
principals
called
for
police
1400
times.
I
So
that's
an
that's
a
lot.
Obviously,
all
of
those
do
not
result
in
arrests,
so
maybe
one
quarter
did,
but
it's
it
shows
to
us
that
there's
an
over
reliance
on
policing,
and
so
often
what
happens
is
that
if
the
school
police
are
in
the
building,
they
will
be
the
ones
that
deal
with
it
and
if
not,
then
it's
whoever's
closest
usually
responds,
so,
whether
it's
city
or
whether
it's
school
police
so
like
elementary
schools,
do
not
have
school
police
officers.
G
So
when
we
say
I
don't
remember
what
the
statistic
was,
I
think
sarah
you
said
like
60,
some
percent
of
arrests
are
by
school
officers.
Are
we
saying
those
are
by
school
officers
or
are
we
just
saying
those
are
by
school
offices
or
even
school
officers
or
even
city
officers
that
go
into
the
school
by
request?
Those
were
ones.
G
D
Yes
and
that's
why
we
broke
it
out
by
police
arrest
as
well
as
school,
police
arrest,
and
that's
the
significance
that
I
talked
about
in
having
you
know.
Data
analysis
from
the
the
pittsburgh
police
department
has
been
working
with
us,
so
it's
not
like
we're
pulling
these
numbers
from.
You
know
random
places.
D
These
are
they're,
giving
us
their
data,
so
they're
telling
us
how
many
times
their
police
officers
are
showing
up,
and
then
we
because
the
school
district
hasn't
haven't
been
as
transparent,
and
I
just
you
know,
I'm
gonna
just
say
because
they
don't
have
the
capability
at
this
point,
to
give
us
all
that
information,
the
way
that
it
needs
to
be
given.
D
But
you
know
it
it's
important
for
us
to
kind
of
as
you're
trying
to
the
questioning
is
like.
Where
are
these
coming
from
that's
what
we
spent
three
years
asking
ourselves
like
who's
making
these
arrests?
Why
are
they
making
these
arrests?
What
where
is
this
coming
from?
And
so
that's
why
it's
very
specific,
so
the
data
that
you'll
see
in
our
report,
as
well
as
when
we
send
you,
the
slides
from
this
presentation,
is
broken
down
by
city
police
as
well
as
school,
district
police.
F
And
one
other
thing
I
want
to
well,
I
want
to
add
two
other
things
to
that:
one.
We,
the
black
girls
equity
alliance.
We
wrote
a
letter
to
the
to
the
board
of
pps
and
also
to
the
teachers
union
that
detail
some
of
this.
So
we
can
share
those
with
you
because
they
have
some
more
information,
but
also
at
one
of
our
meetings.
Some
of
the
pps
police
came
to
one
of
our
work.
F
Our
juvenile
justice
work
group
meetings
and
we
listened
to
them
and
asked
them
questions
to
try
to
understand
exactly
what
kathy
was
saying
and
one
thing
that
they
said
was
that
sometimes
they
refer
young
people
to
juvenile
justice
because
they
feel
like
it's
the
only
way
they
can
be
sure
that
they
will
get
mental
health
services.
It's
the
only
way
they
can
kind
of
force
that,
and
that
is
an
extremely
problematic
thing.
I've
heard
that
in
other
localities
that
is
not
unique
to
pittsburgh,
but
that
is
not
how
they're.
F
A
H
Thank
you,
and
also
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
that
was
extremely
helpful
and
I
encourage
everyone
on
the
task
force,
who
hasn't
read
their
letters
yet
to
to
either
the
board
or
to
the
to
teachers
union
to
read
those.
I
need
a
little
bit
of
help
with
one
of
your
recommendations.
H
I
I
We
are
saying
the
schools
now
have
to
call
the
police
for
these
seven
as
well,
not
a
discretion
but
like
you
have
to
call
them,
and
so
in
some
of
these
situations-
and
I
didn't
really
go
into
it
here-
but
if
you
read
the
mou,
particularly
the
part
about
students
with
disabilities,
if
a
student
with
a
disability,
for
example,
is
somebody
touched
them
and
perhaps
they
like
try
and
push
them
away,
they
could
be
charged
with
simple
assault
right
instead
of
the
schools
being
able
to
say.
I
Well,
let's
look
at
the
iep,
let's
see
if
we
need
to
create
a
manifestation
determination
or
a
report
to
see
if
these
the
students
needs
are
being
met.
They
now
no
longer
have
that
discretion,
because
those
seven
offenses
are
required.
They
have
to
call
police
and
now
students
with
disabilities
are
going
to
be
criminalized
for
things
that
really
just
needed
a
different
solution.
I
H
I
So
that
one's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
struggle-
and
I
mean
I
think
most
of
us
know
that
schools
are
severely
understaffed
and
then
I
think
that's
part
of
whatever
recommendations
was
when
we
were
saying
you
know,
get
rid
of
the
pittsburgh
school
police
is
to
replace
them
with
social
workers
and
counselors
and
other
support,
even
community
support
that
can
help
take
the
place.
It's
it's.
It's
a
shift
from
what
they've
been
doing,
so
I
think
it'll
it'll
take
a
little
while
and
it
requires
the
school
board
making
different
policies.
F
And
I
think
that
you
know
kathy
said
before
right
now:
pittsburgh
public
schools
is
not
doing
a
good
job
of
tracking
when
they're,
calling
the
police
and
when
not
and
for
who
and
for
what
offenses
and
that's
part
of
what
we've
been
recommending
as
well,
is
that
we
need
to
hold
them
accountable
for
keeping
track.
As
kathy
said
before,
none
of
the
information
that
we
shared
with
you
and
we
have
a
bunch
more
information
in
this
report.
F
None
of
it
came
from
the
schools
because
they
don't
have
that
information,
and
so
we
had
to
go
to
a
lot
of
other
places
to
try
to
learn
and
understand
this,
and
I
think
from
some
of
our
conversations
with
school
board
members,
they
didn't
realize
there
were
such
high
rates
of
arrests
being
made
by
pps
police.
They
had
no
idea,
and
so
that's
part
of
why
we,
you
know
we're
asking
them
to
start
to
track
this,
because
if
you
don't
know
you
can't
do
anything
about
it.
D
Yeah
they
paid
attention
to,
they
have
been
on
the
suspension
data,
but
they
really
were
you
know,
kind
of
blindsided
by
what
was
happening
around
the
arrest
and
referral
data,
and
so
I
would,
I
would
like
to
say
that
they
have
been
responsive
in
trying
to
figure
out
how
they
can
address
this
issue
as
well
in
a
collaboration.
A
K
So
there's
a
couple
questions
that
are
things
that
I
want
to
go
over.
Doesn't
each
school
district
have
to
put
in
a
safe
schools
report
on
on
issues
that
we're
talking
about
right
now
as
well,
and
that
should
be
in
their
reports
of
of
what
actions
to
take
when
you
break
a
rule
or
something?
The
second
thing
that
I
wanted
to
also
asked
about
is
diversion
diversion
programs.
K
The
foundation
of
hope
has
a
diversion
program
that
is
working
closely
with
on
the
north
side
and
then
there's
the
lead
program
both
of
them.
I
think,
following
some
of
the
same
issues
or
the
same
things,
that
philadelphia
is
so
I
don't
want
to
make.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
leave
those
things
out
when
we
have
programs
here
that
are,
are
attempting
to
do
the
things
around
diversion
right.
Now,
I'm
getting
a
little
from
from
my
knowledge
of
working,
even
with
the
pittsburgh
public
schools.
K
I
know
that
they
are,
they
will
call
if
it's
a
violent
if
it's
a
violent,
infraction
a
gun,
rape
murder
are
we
are
we
saying
that
we
want
to
take?
Take
that
away
from
the
pittsburgh
public
school
police.
D
First
comment:
so
we,
the
foundation
of
hope
and
jeff
williams,
is
a
part
of
this
collaboration,
and
so
we
are
very
aware
of
his
that
program.
The
majority
from
my
understanding,
the
majority
of
his
cases,
is
post
arrest.
What
we're
talking
about
is
this
pre
pre-contact
right
and
so,
and
I
believe
that
it
like.
If
something
was
to
happen,
it
should
be
his
organization
and
him
actually
being
able
to
do
this
pre-arrest
diversion
piece
as
well.
So
I'm
all
about
not
duplicating
what
has
already
been
being
done
and
being
done
well.
D
So
that's
the
first
thing.
Secondly,
no
we're
absolutely
not
saying
that
the
police
shouldn't
be
called
for
violent
offenses,
and
things
like
that.
In
fact,
you
can
see
on
our
slides.
The
majority
of
cases
that
end
up
in
our
kids
being
in
being
referred
to,
the
juvenile
justice
system
was
disorderly
conduct
so,
and
it's
very
rare
where
it
you
know,
involves
a
weapon
or
you
know
rape
or
anything
like
that.
That
would
go
against
everything
that
we
stand
for
and
advocate
for.
D
If
we
were
to
say
that
the
police
shouldn't
get
involved
and
address
these
issues,
it's
the
minor
offenses
and
that's
what
and
that's
why
you
know
we're
going
to
share
additional
data.
It's
the
minor
offensive,
offenses,
those
that
are
so
subjective
that
end
up
criminalizing
our
kid
for
behaviors
that
they
should
not
so
like
a
a
girl
being
disrespectful
and
not.
You
know,
turning
in
her
cell
phone
when
she
was
supposed
to-
and
I
can
give
we
can
give
you
anecdotal.
D
Like
you
know,
specific
cases,
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
do
is
pull
like
three
cases:
randomly
okay,
let's
pull
with
these
failure
to
pay
fines,
these
disorderly
conducts.
What
are
they?
One
was
a
fine
and
I
ended
up
going
to
juvenile
court
where
a
child
was
fined.
I
believe
two
hundred
dollars
for
throwing
an
object
in
a
retail
store.
Didn't
injure,
didn't
hurt
anybody,
but
the
fine
was
two
hundred
dollars.
Obviously
they
didn't
have
the
money
to
pay
it
and
then
that
ended
up
being
a
charge.
D
So
those
are
the
things
that
we're
talking
about
we're
talking
about.
You
know
even
in
the
school
different
altercations.
One
of
the
things
that
gwen's
girls
is
doing
a
diversion
program
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
see
all
the
time
is:
there's
a
fight.
So
we
know
those
girl
fights
they're
a
problem,
but
we
need
to
find
out.
How
can
we
resolve
them
without
the
criminal
justice
system
getting
involved?
And
so
in
many
instances
there's
this
fight?
You
know,
there's
no
major
injuries.
D
The
girls
get
10-day
suspension,
but
then
petitions
are
filed
right
at
juvenile
court.
So,
three
months
later,
they
they
don't
they're
back
being
friends
again
majority
of
time
now
they
got
to
go
in
front
of
a
judge.
To
you
know
talk
about
what
this
is.
What
happened
in
this
incident?
You
know,
if
there's
any
restitution,
we
definitely
say
they
need
to
be.
D
You
know
held
accountable
and
paid
a
restitution,
but
then
there
may
be
fines
levy
if
it's
at
the
magistrate
level,
and
so
it's
those
types
of
systemic
practices
that
happen
that
we're
saying
personnel
in
schools,
social
workers,
counselors
mediators.
D
The
probation
officers,
are
great
people
and
and
provide
the
supports,
but
they
are
the
ones
that
will
tell
you
like,
like
the
mental
health
treatment
that
you,
that
people
think
that
they're
going
to
get
in
being
on
probation,
it
just
doesn't
happen,
and
so
how
do
we
as
adults
and
leaders
in
systems
put
those
services
in
the
schools
and
following
incidences
that
happen,
especially
those
that
aren't
egregious
that
don't
involve
a
victim
or
those?
You
know,
crimes
that
you
talked
about
absolutely
not
richard.
D
We
would
never
be
advocating
for
police
not
to
be
called
for
those
types
of
situations.
Absolutely.
K
Not
I
I
agree,
I
agree
with
everything
that
you
just
said
kathy.
I
just
want
to
be
sure
when
what
are
we
asking
for
you
asking
for
more
social
workers,
because,
right
now
in
the
pittsburgh
public
schools,
I
know
that
the
social
workers
are
overworked.
I'm
overwhelmed
absolutely
there's
not
enough.
There's
not
enough
social
workers
to
address
some
of
the
issues
that
some
of
these
young
people
are
coming
to
school
with
also
the
dhs
and
arbole.
So
we
have
a
huge.
K
We
have
a
large
amount
of
young
people
that
are
homeless
and
I'm
hoping
that
that
we
can
also
address
that
issue
as
we
as
we
move
forward
with
this,
because
the
you
know-
and
those
aren't
even
tracked
on
how
many
I
don't
know
if
dhs,
has
a
real
good
number
on
how
many
homeless,
kids
that
we
have
not
only
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
but
in
allegheny
county-
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
y'all
have
looked
at.
D
We
have
in
a
separate
work
group,
but
we
definitely
look
at
what's
happening
in
child
welfare
and
even
you
know
if
the
department
called
focused
on
attendance
that
they
track.
You
know
where
the
kids
are
who's
truant,
you
know
and
to
provide
those
supports,
but
again
a
lot
of
times
those
kids
end
up
in
a
juvenile
justice
or
child
welfare
system.
We
don't
want
them
in
child
welfare.
We
don't
want
dhs
touching
them
either.
If
there's
some
supports
that
could
be
provided
prior
to
them
be
involved
in
any
system.
D
That's
what
our
goal
should
be
right,
and
so
I
agree
with
you:
one
hundred
percent
and
and
postcode.
It's
probably
gonna,
be
worse,
you
know,
and
so
how
do
we
wrap
the
supports
that
are
necessary
around
our
families
to
make
sure
that
they
don't
become
criminalized
and
end
up
in
systems,
because
once
we
know
once
they
get
involved
in
a
system,
it's
hard
for
them
to
get
out.
K
D
Yeah
100,
you
know
working
with
dhs
and
I
would
say
that
they're,
probably
one
of
the
strongest
partners
in
this
work
because
they're,
the
ones
that
have
been
keeping
the
data
around
what's
happening.
So
I
would,
you
know,
venture
to
say
that
they
they
do,
have
a
good
handle
on
homelessness
and
who
needs
the
supports
and
what
school,
districts
and
and
what
areas
need
more
supports
than
others.
L
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
your
work
and
this
excellent
presentation
very,
very
informative,
I'll
start
with
a
couple
of
comments
and
then
a
question
or
two
number
one.
It's
just
completely
unacceptable
that
a
district
could
be
calling
the
police
1400
times
on
kids
and
not
tracking
anything
about
it.
That
is
totally
unacceptable,
totally
unacceptable.
That
should
not
be
allowed
and
that
may
not
come
within
our
police
reform
bailiwick.
But
it's
just
it
can't
go
on
like
that.
L
When
we
talk
about
law
enforcement
too,
if
it's
a
very
rare
thing
to
have
police
called
for
more
serious
crimes,
I
know
it
would
really
help
us
to
have
a
very,
very
good
handle
on
just
how
rare
that
is
to
have
those
numbers
to
know
exactly
what's
going
on,
because
if
one
of
your
recommendations
is
to
get
rid
of
or
abolish
the
pbs
police,
if
they're
not
really
needed,
the
one
question
we
will
have
is
the
one
that
richard
posed,
you
know,
don't
you
want
them
for
the
serious
stuff
and-
and
so
the
question
will
be,
can
that
need
be
filled
by
pittsburgh
police?
L
Do
you
want
it
to
be
filled
by
pittsburgh
police?
Is
that
a
better
alternative,
because
there
has
to
be
something
to
cover
that?
The
idea
that
you
know
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
kids
are
being
criminalized
because
of
yelling
in
the
hallways
or
you
know
pushing
each
other
or
things
like
that.
Is
it
your
read
on
this
that
the
schools
are
simply
making
these
calls
because
they
simply
don't
have
the
staff
or
the
wherewithal
or
the
resolve,
to
handle
these
disciplinary
problems
themselves
or
have
they
just
gotten
used
to
it
or
what.
D
Yep,
all
of
the
above
yeah,
if
they've
been
used,
they've
been
used
to
that's
what
happens
if
a
kid,
if
they
feel
disruptive-
and
they
don't
want
to
deal
with
it,
then
let's
call
the
police,
and
so
that's
why
we
wrote
a
letter
to
the
teachers
union
pft
to
say
you
know
we
are,
you
know,
looking
at
holding
the
the
school
board
and
what's
happening
in
the
district
and
the
superintendent
accountable,
but
be
clear
that
we
understand
it
is
the
teachers
that
are
making
these
calls,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
was
that
the
police
said,
like
you
know
they
get
called
all
the
time
on
the
school
police
for
incidences
that
they
have
to
then
say:
no,
I'm
not
I'm
not
following
charges
for
that.
D
You
know,
and
so
it's
not
just
a
rare
occasion.
We
don't
have
the
documentation
on
what
schools
is
happening
at
the
most
and
that
would
be.
You
know
something
that
the
school
district
needs
to
look
at,
but
this
is
an
area
that
you
know
just
last
month,
we
you
know
advocated
on
the
the
school
code
of
conduct
was
being
renewed,
and
that
was
one
of
the
areas
that
we
were
saying.
D
This
disorderly
conduct
charge
needs
to
be
eliminated
right,
and
so,
when
you
start
to
look
at
that,
and
one
of
the
slides
that
we
have
has
the
the
the
statistics
on
the
crime,
the
number
of
incidences.
So
I
you
know
you
can
look
at
that
once
you
get
the
information,
but
our
report
also
goes
into
like
some
of
those
specifics,
but
you
know
again,
just
like
we
had
conversations
and
I'm
just
gonna
put
this
out
there.
We
had
conversations
with
the
data
analysis
from
the
city
police
department.
D
You
all
can
ask
them
to
come
in
and
give
you
some
updated
information
as
well.
I
would
challenge
you
all
to
do
that.
F
F
F
So
when
there's
a
police
officer
all
the
time
in
your
school
and
someone's
being
rowdy
in
class,
that's
who
the
teacher
calls
right,
but
if
there's
different
resources
available,
that's
who
they'll
call-
and
we
saw
in
the
gender
equity
commission
report-
that
pittsburgh
public
schools
refers
students
to
law
enforcement,
not
just
black
students,
white
students
too,
at
rates
higher
than
95
percent
of
other
large
cities
in
the
us.
So
we're
at
the
very
top
of
that
right.
F
A
I
Sorry
can
I
just
add
a
quick
comment
for
david
pennsylvania.
Department
of
education
does
track
some
of
this
too,
even
though
it's
not
disaggregated,
but
if
you
were
to
go
onto
their
website
it
breaks
down
every
single
school
school
district
and
every
school
within
pennsylvania.
It
tells
you
how
many
times
the
police
have
come.
It's
under
reported,
but
basically
it'll
say
interactions
with
police
and
then
it'll
say
under
that
arrest.
M
Thank
you
kathy,
sarah
and
god,
for
your
presentation
was
really
helpful
and
informative.
I
was
curious
if
you
might
be
able
to
just
provide
sort
of
a
background
update
on
how
the
conversations
to
date
have
gone
with
regard
to
your
recommendations
with
the
pps
school
board.
Superintendent
as
well
as
I
guess,
the
teachers
union
is
the
way
it
sounds.
I'm
curious
to
know
what
reception
you've
gotten.
You
know,
what
are
they
supportive
of?
M
What
are
they
having
reservations
around
and
and
why
and
then
one
other
question
I
had
as
well
is:
who
is
pushing
for
the
seven
discretionary
offenses
in
the
mou?
I'm
curious.
What's
driving
that,
for
you
know,
if
you
could
give
a
little
bit
of
background,
that
would
just
be
helpful
to
understand
the
different
actors
that
are
kind
of
playing
with
within
this
mou
and
the
recommendations
that
you're
you're
pushing
for
I'll.
I
Answer
the
last
two
so
as
far
as
who's
pushing
for
the
seven
it
depends
on
who
you
ask
so
the
pittsburgh
public
schools
have
told
us
that
it
is
the
city
police
that
have
added
it
in,
and
the
city
police
are
saying
that
they
don't
remember
how
that
got
in
so
yeah
it's
in
there,
though.
I
As
far
as
conversations
with
pft,
I
would
say
that
when
we
talked
to
the
teachers
overwhelmingly,
what
we
heard
was
some
of
the
teachers
want
police,
no
matter
what
and
others
said
we
could
get
on
board
with
no
police.
If
you
give
us
something
instead,
if
you
put
some
other
type
of
support
in
the
schools
for
us
to
use,
so
that's
that's
been
our
conversation
as
far
as
the
district
and
kathy
can
also
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
is
of
the
current
nine
school
board
members.
I
We
do
not
think
that
this
year
we
will
be
able
to
get
rid
of
school
police.
Five
out
of
the
nine
are
not
do
not
seem
willing
to
budge.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
been
my
my
interactions
with
them,
but
I'm
sure
kathy
has
more.
D
So
I've
been
having
preliminary
meetings
with
the
superintendent,
as
well
as
the
president
of
the
pft
to
kind
of
determine
where's
the
common
ground,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
just
can't-
you
know
say
I'm
for
I'm
against
and
just
keep
on
going
back
and
forth
of
a.
Why,
like?
What's
the
solution
and
my
focus
has
been,
you
know?
How
do
we
address
this
disproportionate
rate
of
black
children
being
referred
to
the
juvenile
justice
system
and
being
criminalized?
D
And
so
a
lot
of
the
kind
of
pushbacking
argument
has
been
like
the
police
are
the
supports
that
the
students
need
and
they
are
their
coaches,
their
or
their
friends,
and
so
many
of
you
already
know
I
come
from
a
law
enforcement
family.
I
understand
the
importance
of
you
know
just
a
officer
being
community
oriented,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that's
still
not
their
role
right.
It's
a
contradiction
when
we
have
all
these
high
rate
of
referrals
of
black
children
to
the
juvenile
justice
system.
D
With
you
know,
police
officers
or
security
guards
also
who
have
this
authority
over
the
process
being
the
ones
that
kind
of
guide
engage
their
interactions
in
the
referrals
to
the
juvenile
justice
system,
and
so,
although
they
may
be
well
intended,
it's
just
again
is
we
need
to
redefine
roles
and
that's
the
language
that
I've
been
using
with
not
only
the
superintendent
but
the
pft
in
understanding
the
roles
of
police,
what
it?
What
what
should
they
be
doing
and
what
are
the
roles
of
the
supports
that
should
be
in
place?
D
And
so
once
we
start
to
address
that,
I
feel,
like
the
argument
of
you
know:
should
police
be
there
or
not
would
be
mitigated
because
we're
providing
the
and
social
supports
that
our
kids
need
that
there
won't
be.
This
heightened
need
to
call
a
law
enforcement
officer
to
address
an
issue
that
typically
is
handled
by
supports
so
and
in
a
nutshell.
They
have
been
receptive
understanding,
especially
it's
it's,
I
wouldn't
say
crazy.
D
I
can't
think
of
the
word
right
now,
but,
as
you
all
heard,
we've
been
at
this
work
for
over
three
to
four
years
and
and
many
people
have
been
addressing
this
longer
than
that,
but
we
have,
as
a
group
been
specifically
looking
at
this,
and
it
hasn't
been
until
this
recent
unrest-
racial
unrest,
that
people
really
have
taken
a
closer
look
to
say
like
oh,
yes,
this
is
an
issue,
and
so
that's
you
know
the
area
that
I'm
concerned
about
and
focused
on
the
racial
element
that
permeates
the
school
district
and
and
has
the
leaders,
the
teachers.
D
You
know
relying
on
a
system
relying
on
law
enforcement
to
address
issues
that
should
be
handled
in
a
social
support,
type
of
way.
M
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
understanding,
though
it
sounds
like
the.
The
pft
has
not
taken
an
official
position
with
regard
to
the
mou,
yet
whether
they're,
supportive
of
it
or
not,
you've
gotten
feedback
from
members,
but
the
pft
itself
is,
as
an
official
body
has
not
had.
A
position
sounds
like.
I
They're
not
involved
in
mou
it's
just
between
district,
so
the
district
is
an
entire
entity
and
then
the
city
police,
the
pft,
has
taken
a
stand
on
whether
we
should
get
rid
of
police
and
because
the
reunion
they
have
said
no.
D
And
then
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
add
is
that
so
the
national
teachers
union,
the
what
is
it
the
aft
and
I'm
gonna,
share
their
stance
and
it
is
to
you
know,
remove
police
and
look
at
a
more
equitable
system
for
black
students,
and
so
what
I'm
challenging
the
pft
is
to
look
at
some
of
those
recommendations
and
follow
those
as
well.
M
A
B
Thank
you,
dr
bullock.
I
I
have
a
ton
of
questions
that
I
will
say,
but
the
some
that
I
think
would
be
good
for
the
for
the
group
is.
I
sarah
said
that
the
report
will
share
alternative
recommendations.
That
is
a
good
thing.
As
someone
who
is
still
very
involved
in
the
pittsburgh
schools
as
a
grandmother
and
and
one
school,
that
probably
has
a
good
lion's
share
of
a
lot
of
arrest
records.
B
Seen
it
firsthand
been
in
a
hallway
doing
an
arrest
teachers
do
need
support,
they
do
need
support.
It
is
very
difficult
in
some
of
the
classrooms,
so
there
do
need
to
be
alternatives.
However,
will
you
all
recommend
a
school-based
health
clinic?
They
were
instituted
back
in
the
90s,
I
would
say
early
90s
and
unfortunately,
for
some
of
the
high
schools,
like
the
sheer
westinghouse
perry,
et
cetera
they.
B
It
was
a
funding
issue,
but
is
there
going
to
be
recommendations
to
collaborate
with
health
care
institutions
such
as
an
allegheny
health
network
upmc?
There
tends
to
be
deeper
pockets
there
to
be
able
to
establish
the
type
of
mental
health
component
for
de-escalation,
for
mediation
etc.
For
dealing
with
health,
mental
health
problems
that
some
students
experience
will
there
be
a
recommendation
for
a
school-based
health
clinic
which
actually
kind
of
solves
a
lot
of
the
problems.
B
It
takes
the
school
police
off
of
being
the
mediators,
and
it
also
allows
them
to
deal
with
the
hard
problems
like.
Like
david
said,
you
know
the
hard
stuff
I
can
say
the
other
question
is
parents?
B
Has
there
been
a
parental
component,
because
the
last
that
I
know
parents
of
children
in
the
schools
want
security,
they
don't
know
how
that
happens,
and
I
guarantee
you
they
do
not
want
armed
security
in
those
schools.
They
don't
want
guns
in
the
schools.
They
want
guns
out
of
the
schools,
so
the
alternatives
to
that
is
complicated.
You
know
you
want
security,
but
at
this
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
it.
I'm
just
saying
parents.
Is
there
a
parental
component
as
far
as
their
input?
B
D
At
health
clinic
yes,
so
we
haven't
made
a
specific
recommendation,
such
as
the
the
clinic
itself,
but
having
social
supports,
and
so
what
you
know.
The
strategy
that
I'm
trying
to
take
is
having
these
initial
meetings
with
the
superintendent
and
the
pft
to
get
the
key
stakeholders
so
by
the
the
all
the
universities
that
can
bring
resources
to
the
table,
all
the
foundations
that
can
bring
resources
to
the
table
as
well
as
parents
like
this.
It
needs
to
be
a
collective
approach
in
addressing
this
issue,
and
so
that
is
what
we
talked
about.
D
You
know,
elicit
the
supports
and
to
really
it
be
a
community
driven,
parent-driven
kind
of
solution,
because
we
know
that
and
that's
the
thing
that
we
have
said
all
the
time
like
the
school
district
can't
do
it
on
their
own
there's
just
too
many
issues
that
are
happening,
and
so
they
need
to.
They
have
to
become
more
transparent
and
allowing
individuals
in
and
those
that
can,
support
and
and
step
up
and
provide
the
resources
that
are
what
will
be
needed,
definitely
need
to
be
at
the
table.
D
So
the
answer
is
pre
halfway,
preliminarily.
Yes,
we
have
thought
about
those
things,
but
again
even
the
work
that
we've
done
in
the
black
rose
equity
lines.
That's
why
it
has
been
so
impactful
to
have
systems
leaders
at
the
table
with
us
so
having
probation
at
the
table
and
having
child
welfare
at
the
table,
because
we
can
sit
all
day
and
talk
about
policies
that
we
want
to
have
implemented,
but
because
we're
not
a
part
of
that
system,
we're
not
in
the
leadership
of
that
system.
F
I
just
want
to
add
to
that
because
I
think
valerie,
your
both
of
those
are
really
important
points
right
and
one.
I
know
that
upmc
and
other
and
already
does
come
into
a
lot
of
pps
schools
and
offer
mental
health
services.
So
there
are
some
arrangements
where
that's
already
happening.
I've
done
field
visits
for
my
social
work
students,
so
I've
seen
it
in
action.
F
But
absolutely
I
think,
though
you
know
in
pps
a
lot
of
the
social
workers
who
work
for
pps
are
doing
attendance
and
we
need
to
make
better
use
of
the
social
workers
that
we
have,
that
some
of
that
work
is
to
be
done
by
paraprofessionals,
which
would
free
up
social
workers
time.
To
really
do
some
of
the
mental
health
supports
we
want
and
then
on
the
second
point.
Yes,
parents
are
so
important,
I'm
a
pps
parent
of
a
middle
school
and
a
high
school
student.
F
So
I
ask
my
kids
a
lot
about
what
they
observe
with
the
police
and
security
guards
and
their
perceptions,
and
and
you
know
what
their
friends
see
and-
and
I
talk
to
a
lot
of
parents
and
I
and
I
think
we
need
to
talk
to
a
broad
range
of
parents
and
parents
need
to
you
know-
and
I
mean
of
course,
I'm
concerned
about
safety
in
schools
too,
but
I
don't
think
we
need
police
in
our
schools
and
I
really
see
so
many
kids
who
need
support
that
that
we're
just
not
providing
right
now.
F
N
A
C
You
I
want
to
kind
of
circle
us
back
to
where
our
leverage
points
are
with
recommendations
to
the
pittsburgh
bureau
of
police,
and
so
I
think
one
of
you
mentioned
that
we
haven't
had
an
mou
with
pps
for
10
years
and
then
nat
actually
asked
my
question
about
who's,
recommending
the
seven
additional
offenses.
So
it
seems
to
me
that's
a
really
important
consideration
for
this
committee.
C
I
I
I
School
of
the
school
district,
all
school
districts
are
required
to
have
an
mou
and
even
though
yeah,
so
they
haven't
had
a
negotiated
mou
since
state
law
required
it
roughly
10
or
11
years
ago.
So
I'm.
C
Curious
then,
if
it's,
you
know
the
school
district,
that's
out
of
compliance.
How
do
we
make
this
a
bigger
issue
for
the
pittsburgh
bureau
of
police
to
attend
to.
I
It's
a
good
between
both
of
them,
so
both
sides
have
to
agree
in
order
for
this
to
be
accepted,
and
so
we
have
already
spoken
to
the
school
board
and
we're
hoping
that
we
have
some
buy-in
from
them
to
be
able
to
pass
removing
that.
But
we
also
need
the
city
police
to
agree
to
it,
because
if
both
sides
don't
agree
to
it,
then
there
is
no
negotiation
and
that
mou
does
not
take
place.
C
So
it
seems
like
a
pretty
important
point
of
leverage,
then,
for
this
task
force
to
consider
making
that
type
of
recommendation.
Thank
you
for
the
clarification.
A
G
So
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
sarah.
I
think
you
were
talking
about
that
pittsburgh
school
police
report,
95
more
incidents
or
refer
95.
F
What
was
that?
No?
What
I
said
is
that
yeah
good
question,
because
I
didn't
present
that
in
the
presentation,
our
pittsburgh
when
compared
with
89
other
cities,
we
refer
we're
at
the
we're
in
the
top
five
percent.
Let's
say
of
the
highest
referral
rates
to
law
enforcement,
so
basically
we're
among
the
top.
You
know
it's
slightly
different
rates
for
its.
F
We
compared
sort
of
referral
rates
of
black
boys
in
pittsburgh,
with
referral
rates
of
black
boys
in
other
cities
and
referral
rates
of
white
boys
in
pittsburgh,
with
referral
rates
of
white
boys
in
other
cities.
So
compared
with
the
same
group
of
youth
in
other
cities,
our
referral
rates
to
law
enforcement
for
all
the
groups
are
among
the
it's
a
little
bit
different
for
each
group,
but
they're
in
that.
Overall,
it
averages
out
to
be
in
the
top
five
percent,
so
we're
just
referring
all
youth
to
law
enforcement
at
rates
higher
than
in
other
cities.
F
Yeah-
and
I
I
mean
I
don't
you
know-
I
don't
have
the
whole
answer-
I
do
think
part
of
it
is
having
a
pps
police
force.
A
lot
of
districts,
don't
have
their
own
police.
So
many
I
mean
many
other
cities.
Do
we're
not
unique,
but
when
you
have
your
own
police
force,
it's
a
lot
easier
to
call
the
police
than
when
you
have
to
call
the
city,
which
I
think
again
makes
the
mou
even
more
important.
G
So
that's
sort
of
just
a
comment
for
our
committee
to
be
thinking
about,
but
my
last
question-
and
this
might
be
very
basic
and
naive.
What
is
the
difference
between
the
pittsburgh
public
school
police
officers
and
school
resource
officers?.
I
So
a
school
we
don't
have
school
resource
officers,
but
a
lot
of
districts
do
a
school
resource
officer.
Is
a
police
officer,
who's
bullied
by
the
city
police
department
and
is
contracted
to
work
with
us,
or
is
the
city
police
department.
G
B
I
B
Issue:
sarah,
it's
a
matter
of
what
budget
it
comes
from
the
city
budget
or
the
pittsburgh
public
school
budget,
but
I
can't
say
that
chief
schubert
had
alluded
to
considering
a
cadre
of
resource
officers
within
the
bureau
police
to
deal
with
these
type
of
issues
with
children,
schools
etc.
F
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
listened
to
the
testimony
for
the
school
board
at
the
june
meeting,
there
were
so
many
people
testifying
on
both
sides
about
keeping
or
getting
rid
of
pps
police,
but-
and
I
sent
in
my
own
testimony
and
then
I
listened
to
all
of
the
first
day,
which
was
like
four
hours,
and
one
thing
that
I
found
really
really
interesting
was
that
a
lot
of
the
people
most
of
the
people
who
spoke
in
favor
of
keeping
pps
police
were
talking
about
what
kathy
was
saying
before
about
the
relationships.
F
The
positive
relationships
between
these
police
officers
and
students,
and
all
I
could
think
when
I
was
listening
to
that-
is
that,
of
course,
we
want
our
students
to
have
positive
relationships
with
adults
and
especially
adults
who
have
similar
backgrounds
and
experiences
that
to
them.
But
those
don't
need
to
be
police
officers.
F
Then,
let's
make
sure
we
have
some
more
mentors
and
adults
in
our
schools
that
can
provide
those
relationships,
but,
like
kathy,
was
saying,
there's
a
fundamental
conflict
of
interest
when
the
person
that
you
are
going
to
confide
in
and
trust
with
your
problems
and
things
you're
dealing
with
is
also
the
person
that
has
the
power
to
arrest,
or
cite
you.
I
just
don't
think
that's
how
we
want
to
have
it
set
up.
D
And
so,
basically,
as
I
said,
redefining
the
roles
like
you
can
keep
those
same
people
that
have
been
in
the
schools
and
have
this
the
sup.
The
relationships
with
the
students
keep
them
there,
but
remove
that
element
of
law
enforcement
because
a
lot
of
times
they
have
those
relationships
without
it
being
a
law
enforcement
type
of
relationship.
So
we're
not
saying
that
the
kids
don't
need
that
type
of
support
or
the
schools
or
the
teachers
or
the
the
culture.
D
But
you
know
just
again:
we
have
to
look
at
that
law
enforcement
element
that
ability
to
arrest
that
off
that's
happening,
often
in
our
schools,.
O
D
They
have
records,
but
the
way
that
they
have
generated.
I
guess
they're
from
what
I've
been
told,
I'm
just
telling
you
what
I've
been
told,
because
we've
asked-
and
I
would
think
that-
and
I
tend
to
believe
those
that
are
saying
it
so
the
school
board,
members
and
members
of
superintendent
superintendent's
office
because
they
are
reactionary,
and
so
if
they
had
some
information
to
kind
of
defu,
what
we're
talking
about
it
would
have.
It
would
have
came
out
right
or
to
even
substantiate.
D
I
feel,
like
you
know
that
they
want
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
this
as
well
as
we
do.
So.
What
I've
been
told
is
that
they
have
the
data
they
have
the
information,
but
the
way
that
it's
in
like
raw
numbers.
So
when
they
ask
for
a
report,
something
there's
no
entity
that
has
gone
through
to
kind
of
clean.
The
data
to
to
you
know
generate
a
report.
D
So,
right
now
from
what
I've
been
told,
that's
what
they're
working
on
doing
they're
going
to
hire
they
have
an
rfp
out
or
will
will
be
putting
out
an
rfp
to
get
a
researcher
or
a
statistician.
Someone
to
look
at
that
information
and
to
generate
a
report
based
on
you
know
what
the
information
that
they
have.
So
it's.
O
Have
you
talked
to
current
social
workers
because
rich
earlier
said
in
his
knowledge,
a
lot
of
the
social
workers
are
already
extended
in
their
efforts
or
responsibilities?
Have
you
talked
to
them
about
extending
their
responsibility?
O
The
other
part
I
have
is:
are
you
looking
more
to
hire
people
who
are
more
mediators,
who
focus
on
mediation,
which
may
be
a
little
different
than
social
worker,
or
even
though,
there's
a
crossover
at
times?
But
people
who
mediate
as
a
profession
might
be
kind
of
between
a
regular
social
worker
and
a
a
police
officer.
Has
that
been
given
significant
thought
in
terms
of
maybe
the
priority
being
mediators
as
replacements.
D
I
mean
communities
and
schools,
but
one
of
the
things
that
you
you
know
just
touched
upon
is
that
even
when
we
talk
about
mediators,
it
may
not
be
a
trained
mediator,
but
we
have
you
know:
coaches
from
particular
communities,
and
you
know
cheerleading
coaches
people
in
the
community
that
you
know
are
very
impactful
with
our
youth.
So
how
do
we
bring
those
type
of
people
into
the
equation
to
be
able
to
address
the
issues
that
are
happening
during
you
know,
school
time
hours
because
out
of
school?
F
Sorry
kathy
there's
some
really
good
youth
mediation
models
where
young
people,
students
in
the
school
are
trained
to
become
the
mediators
and
I've
seen
those
operating
in
other
cities,
and
I
think,
they're,
a
wonderful
way
to
have
youth
like
develop
skills
to
work
out.
Some
of
the
their
disagreements
themselves.
D
And
I
believe,
like
there's
a
model
like
that
happening,
brashear
and
so
don't
get
me
wrong,
like
there
are
some
great
things
that
are
happening
with
within
pittsburgh:
public
schools,
but
it's
just
not
across
the
you
know,
district
and
it's
not
utilized
to
fidelity.
So
again,
part
of
these
conversations
is
what's
what
has
been
put
in
place.
What's
working,
how
do
we
scale
that
to
be
able
to
be
district-wide
and
what
are
some
other
resources
and
things
that
we've
not
thought
of?
So,
as
you
asked
about,
have
we
talked
to
social
workers?
D
Absolutely
in
fact,
as
sarah
talked
about
she
trains,
many
of
them
and
even
have
programs
of
you
know
some
of
them
doing
their
internships
within
the
school
district,
but
we
know
that
they
are
not
being
utilized
in
the
role
that
they
should
be
utilized
in
and
so
no
so
so
no,
you
shouldn't
add
more
work
to
what
they're
already
doing.
You
need
to
add
more
of
them
in
these
spaces,
but
then
you
also
need
to
redefine
the
role
that
they
play
within
the
school
building.
A
Well,
this
has
been
a
excellent
presentation
and
discussion.
A
It
has
enlightened
task
force
members
on
the
work
that
is
occurring
between
pittsburgh,
public
school
police
and
pittsburgh,
bureau,
police
and
their
interaction,
and
some
key
elements
have
come
forth,
which
is
specific
to
the
mou
and
understanding
who's,
leading
the
seven
elements
into
the
discussion
and
are
there
ways
of
redefining
the
role
that
would
be
more
beneficial
to
to
both
parties,
as
well
as
to
our
youth.
A
We
do
look
forward
to
getting
the
report
so
that
we
can
further
review
and
discuss
the
data
that
you
shared,
because
it
is
an
eye
opener,
but
on
this
at
this
time
we
would
like
to
extend
our
personal
thanks
to
dr
elliott,
dr
goodkind,
and
miss
makush
makushi
for
taking
time
to
prepare
your
presentation
and
discuss
this
important
topic
with
the
police
reform
task
force.
B
Excuse
me
to
the
task
force
and
it
will
help
forge
recommendations
in
our
report
eventually
and
look
forward
to
having
further
information
from
all
of
you
all
as
to
the
role
of
the
pittsburgh
europe
police
within
the
community,
particularly
with
schools.
So
thank
you.
D
A
Valerie,
I
would
you
now
like
to
introduce
our
second
guest
minister
darnell
druid.
B
Thank
you,
dr
bullock.
Yes,
I
would
like
to
introduce
minister
darnell
drury.
He
again
is
a
person
that
is
of
the
faith-based
community,
that
is
in
the
trenches,
with
reducing
violence
and
working
with
community,
establishing
collaborations
with
others
to
basically
improve
the
the
tone
of
our
communities
in
terms
of
violence
and
he's
been
in,
though,
with
again
you
all
have,
I
believe
you
all
have
the
bio.
B
P
Thank
you
for
having
me
on
here
and,
and
I
did
recently
learn
of
this
task
force,
and
I
and
my
interests
and
hope
is
that
I
could
be
a
a
voice
or
someone
who
could
help
bring
the
faith-based
component
to
the
table
if
that,
if
you
will
and
so
my
work
as
far
as
faith
and
the
work
that
I
do
at
the
center
for
victims
as
a
community
specialist,
a
senior
community
specialist,
my
work
has
been
been
able
to
bring
those
two
components
together,
so
that
I
meet
I've,
been
challenged
and
charged
to
meet
with
leadership
of
all
faiths,
to
present
and
train
them
and
to
offer
the
basic
the
basic
training
around
trauma
and
train
them
so
that
they
are
able
to
walk
away
with
the
ability
to
serve
communities
and
congregations
through
a
trauma
lens.
P
And
so
I
think
this
training.
I
think
this
trauma
lens
idea
having
a
trauma
lens
to
to
work
with
people.
Work
with
individuals
specifically
prohibiting
this
trauma
lens
helps
provide
great
mediation
between,
if
you
will,
police
and
communities
relations,
those
things,
and
so
I
wanted.
P
My
interest
is
to
try
to
find
and
hope
that,
in
this
particular
reform
and
and
all
of
these
things
that
that
the
church
or
the
faith-based
organization
would
be
a
part
of
the
conversation
and
and
if
I
could
be
one
of
those
connectors
to
helping
with-
and
you
know,
the
faith-based
organization,
I
work
with
leadership
of
all
faiths,
christian
muslim
buddhist,
hindu,
jew,
all
of
them
and
more
so,
and
what
we
do.
P
We
read
we
meet
on
a
regular
basis
to
address
having
a
trauma
understanding
trauma,
having
a
trauma
lens
to
to
serve
and
to
to
to
to
lead
with
the
trauma
lens,
the
understanding
of
a
trauma
lens.
It
helps
that
better
helps
those
mediations.
I
you
know
thought
about
what
tim
was
talking
about.
You
know
when
he
talked
mention
mediation,
which
is
which
is
right
of
mine.
P
You
know
right
in
my
alley
when
I
say
you
know,
I'm
adding
those
things
and
and
the
component
of
having
the
moral
aspect
to
all
things
that
we
do
a
lot
of
times.
We
we
address
rights,
you
rules,
rights
and
regulations,
and
we
address
that.
We
do
things
we
we
create
legal
rights,
but
sometimes
they're,
not
although
they're
legal
or
they
moral
or
they
morally
write,
and
so
that's
what
what
I
would
like
to
address
most
of
the
time
and
what
I
like
to
help.
P
P
What
I
wanted
to
really
put
on
the
table
to
see
to
it
that
the
faith-based
organization
is
considered
and
and
whatever
whatever
the
walk
is
whatever
the
movement
is
whatever
the
next
steps
are
that
the
faith-based
organization
I
can
be
of
help
and
bringing
the
right
those
right
people
to
the
table,
I'm
also
the
chaplain
for
the
south
pittsburgh
peacemakers,
and
so
my
work
over
there
on
the
south
side
is
to.
P
If
someone
desires,
a
connection
to
the
faith-based
that
I
can,
you
know,
make
sure
that
connected
to
whatever
religious
ideology
they
desire,
I
can
make
sure
those
connections
are
happening
are
made.
P
So
my
you
know
my
goal
and
my
attempt
is
to
try
to
make
sure
that
I
build
the
relationships
with
people
of
all
faiths
and
that
that
that
there's
not
just
an
individual
spiritual
lens
that
is
brought
to
the
table,
but
that
there
is
a
spiritual
lens
from
all
walks
of
life
all
faith
basis.
You
know,
so
I
just
wanted
to
present
that
tonight
and
as
I'm
learning
to
try
to
learn
and
understand
more
about
the
task
force
and
what
work
is
being
done.
P
B
Thank
you,
dr
bull,
if
you,
if
you
would
just
allow
me
to
ask
a
question,
I
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you.
Mr
jury,
you
I'll
just
tell
you
darnell
you're
darnell,.
B
As
you
listen
to
the
conversation
just
focusing
on
our
youth
and
police,
what
role
has
the
faith-based
community,
whether
it's
consortium
or
individual
groups,
individual
faith-based
groups?
What
relationship
have
you
had
with
pittsburgh?
The
bureau
police
in
in
helping
to
resolve
a
lot
of
the
problems?
Protests
have
occurred,
many
people
have
been
have
been
enthused
and
yet
traumatized,
it's
been
a
mixed
bag
of
the
protests,
which
are
absolutely
essential.
B
What
role
has
the
faith-based
community
served
and
in
which
capacity
could
they
serve
in
helping
pittsburgh
move
forward,
particularly
with
the
in
terms
of
what
we're
tasked
with
our
mission
is
reform
of
police,
where
we
can.
P
I
think
thank
you,
valerie.
I
think
that
that
role
has
been
specifically
to
mediation,
being
a
mediator
between
the
community
as
what
between
the
community
and
the
police
being
able
to.
Historically,
the
faith-based
leadership
has
held
some
level
of
authority
in
community,
and
so
it's
not
it's
not
this
legal
authority
or
this
law
enforcement
authority.
But
there
is
an
authority
that
is
held
by
the
faith-based
leadership,
and
so,
with
that
authority
they
can
provide.
P
You
know,
mediation
between
between
the
community
and
between
the
police,
where
it
seems
that
that
that
that
seems
to
be
the
main
thing
where
you
know
faith-based
leaders
can
de-escalate
help
de-escalate
situations
so
and
that
then,
from
that
de-escalation,
you
know
it
goes
beyond,
and
you
begin
to
mediate
and
get
begin
to
teach.
P
You
know
and
one
of
the
things
that
we're
I'm
trying
to
see
that
that
role
is
being
able
to
teach
from
pulpits
and
teach
from
spaces
in
the
in
the
church
and
synagogues
teach
specifically
to
levels
of
de-escalation
and
mediation.
P
Having
having
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
is
has
been
very
powerful
as
we
do
this
trauma
lens
understanding
that
leadership
and
whatever,
whatever
faith,
whatever
faith
component
is
leadership,
has
has
over
the
years,
studied
and
taught
from
a
trauma
lens
through
a
trauma
through
it
through
a
trauma
lens.
P
You
know,
so
if
I'm
a
person
from
a
historical
intergenerational
who
is
who
is
overwhelmed
by
historical
or
intergenerational
trauma,
I
will
study
from
that
lens
and
I
will
also
teach
from
that
lens
and
then
I
begin
to
pass
that
all
trauma
on.
So
so.
B
Okay,
another
thing
oh
okay,
hold
on
one.
Second,
it
may
segue
into
what
you're
asking.
K
B
How
do
you
do
you
currently?
How
does
a
faith-based
community
currently
work
with
the
city
of
pittsburgh
police,
possibly
through
reverend
cornell
jones's
the
prevent
a
violence
prevention
initiative?
I
probably
got
it
and
and
and
the
fact
that
reverend
burgess
councilman
burgess
has
just
it's
a
it's.
He
got
a
preliminary
vote
of
passing
on
various
legislative
legislation,
pieces
that
add
money
to
the
pittsburgh
police
bureau
ad.
It
segregates
a
part
of
the
pittsburgh
europe
police
budget,
for
violence,
prevention
for
outreach,
etc.
Either
it's
through
reverend
jones's.
B
J
Or
to.
B
P
Working
with
cornell
jones
and
tvi,
right
now
we
have
been
meeting
with
police
chief
and
their
officers
they're.
You
know
we've
been
meeting
at
several
of
of
the.
What
is
it
called
their
their
roll
call?
P
You
know:
we've
been
meeting
at
those
roll
calls
building
relationships
specifically
with
the
police
officers
and
their
chief
of
police
we've
been
showing
up
to
roll
call
to
say
how
we
can
be
of
of
support
in
in
helping
de-escalate
situations
and
communities,
how
we
can
help
mediate
situation,
communities
providing
the
the
space,
the
synagogues,
the
churches,
the
mosques,
how
we
can
provide
the
space
to
be
the
neutral
ground,
neutral
space
for
some
for
a
lot
of
people.
P
So
even
even
you
know
providing
that
that
brick
and
mortar
space
is
a
very
powerful
piece
as
well
for
the
community.
So,
yes,
we
have
been
actively
working
with
cornell
jones
and
each
zone.
We've
been
going
to
each
zone
meeting
with
the
police
chief
and
their
police
officers
to
say
how
can
we
be
of
help
and
de-escalated?
And
I
would
say
it's
been
very
powerful.
I
have
a
couple:
I've
seen
a
couple
of
videos
where
there's
police
officers,
interacting
with
and
both
of
these
situations,
were
young
black
men.
P
P
You
know
peacemaker
got
on
the
ground
laid
on
the
ground
with
this
guy,
because
this
guy
was
fighting
the
police
officers
and
the
police
officers
hadn't
had
his
knee
on
his
neck
and
the
guy
said.
Can
you
plea?
Please
take
your
knee
off
his
neck
and
he
got
on
the
ground
with
the
man
and
told
the
man.
Look
him
out.
Look
at
my
eyes.
He
said
I
need
you
to
stop
fighting
and
it
really
de-escalated
the
whole
situation.
P
The
police
officer
moved
his
knee
and
the
man
stopped
fighting
so
just
that
that
connection
there
to
be
able
to
look
in
the
in
another
man's
eye.
Who
was
it
was
a
non-threatening
force.
You
know
so
that
was
another.
That's
another
piece
that
was
very
you
know
having
people
who
are
really
willing
to
go
the
map
that
further
that
further
distance
to
lay
on
the
ground.
P
If
I
have
to
you
know
so
that
really
helped
de-escalate
the
whole
situation,
the
police
officer
was
able
to
arrest
the
man
and
calm
the
situation
down
and
calm
the
suspect
down
and
everything.
So
those
are
some
of
the
the
examples
of
things
that
we've
seen
happen
and
seen
done.
That
would
de-escalate
a
situation
and
this
this
this
young
man
have
an
opportunity
to
fight
his
case
in
in
court.
You
know
and
not
not
not
on
the
streets
with
the
threat
of
death,
you
know
or
harm.
O
I
have
two
questions
darnell,
yes,
one
is
a
suggestion,
but
the
first
question
is
because
we
have
it
appears
a
lot
less
young
people
attending
churches
today
than
they
did.
Certainly
when
I
was
a
kid
absolutely,
I'm
part
of
my
question
there
is:
does
the
church
have
the
same
impact
that
it
would
have
had
30
or
40
or
50
years
ago?
In
intervening?
O
P
P
If
someone
to
say,
if
someone
you
know
had
a
mental
health
breakdown,
if
there's
police
officers
in
a
church,
they
would
have
these
police
officers,
grab
them
and
whisper
them
out
of
the
church,
and
so
the
conversation
has
been.
Is
it
would
it
be?
Would
it
be
best
to
try
to
de-escalate
that
situation
instead
of
whisking
instead
of
adding
a
law
enforcement
component
to
it
in
front.
P
Congregants
show
these
congregants
that
there's
a
way
to
de-escalate
a
situation.
So
you
you
begin
to
humanize
a
person
who
may
have
a
mental
health
breakdown
in
front
of
people
and
to
humanize
them
so
a
lot
of
times
you
know
it's
been.
History
has
been
shown
that
people
would
grab
somebody
if
they
had
a
mental
health
breakdown
in
the
church.
The
history
has
shown
that
they
would
grab
them
and
whisk
them
out
of
the
church,
and
you
would
not
know
what
happened
to
that
person
from
there.
P
You
know
and-
and
you
know,
there's
no
there's
no
help,
there's
no
health
in
that
situation,
and
I
agree
with
what
you're
saying
about
the
conversation
with
the
disconnect
between
the
church
and
the
young
people.
I
think
this
this
other
piece
of
having
being
trained
well
have
having
a
trauma
lens
helps
with
this
opponent,
because
a
lot
of
times
without
this
trauma
lens
people,
don't
know
how
to
connect
with
people
that
you
have
to
meet
people
where
they
are.
P
If
they're
living
in
a
trauma
a
place
of
trauma
and
then
they
live
in
that
place
of
trouble,
you
have
to
go
there
and
get
there
with
them.
You
have
to
understand
it.
You
got
to
bring
them.
You
got
to
get
into
that
space
with
them.
So
so
I
think
the
disconnect
is
really
the
relationship
building,
because
a
lot
of
times
we
may
look
through
the
lens
of
of
of
of
judgment
versus
the
lens
of
trauma,
understanding
trauma.
P
So
when
you
begin
to
look
to
look
to
the
lens
of
judgment
that
be
crea
begins
to
create
this
divisive
wall
and
the
disconnect
between
the
two,
but
we
have
a
trauma.
You
begin
to
come
with
a
very
sympathetic
and
empathetic
heart
and
when
you,
when
you
begin
to
build
that
lens
of
trauma
and
understanding
trauma,
so
so
those
are
the
things
and
those
are
the
things
that
that
may
not
even
be
intentional,
but
they
happen
if
they
just
happen
period
with
that
training.
P
When
you
begin
to
understand
trauma
in
the
history
of
trauma
and
begin
to
understand
how
the
brain
works
and
how
the
brain
and
body
works,
when
there's
a
traumatic
situation
that
happens
to
an
individual,
every
individual
there's,
not
an
individual
who
can
who
will
be
impacted
by
trauma
who
can
just
get
through
it?
Without
you
know,
of
course,
we
have
this
space
of
resiliency,
and
all
these,
you
know,
is
the
ability
to
bounce
back.
G
I
guess
I
would
just
ask
first
of
all
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
with
us.
Thank
you
for
having
me
from
a
pretty
broad
perspective.
You
understand
what
this
task
force
is
doing,
we're
looking
at
so
many
different
things
from
the
faith-based
community.
Is
there
one
or
two
things
you
are
really
focused
or
hoping
that
we're
going
to
include
in
our
report?
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
sort
of
your
priorities.
G
P
Think
for
that
would
be
my
for
me,
which
I've
been
charged
and
challenged
to
do
is
really
help.
You
know,
parishioners
leaders
understand
trauma,
for
you
know.
I
have
a
great
understanding
of
trauma
so
so
presenting
the
trauma.
You
know
the
trauma,
training
and
the
lens
that
leadership
would
have
a
trauma.
You
know
have
a
trauma
lens
in
in
place.
P
So
I
think
that's
the
that's
the
attitude
and
the
idea
that
I
want
to
present
that
I've
been
that
I've
been
challenged
and
charged
to
do,
and
it's
been
working
very
well
with
and
with
all
faith
you
know,
there's
no
disconnect
or
divisiveness
no
matter
what
what
faith
base
comes
to
the
table?
They've
all
been
understanding
because
trauma
is
a
human
issue.
P
It's
not
a
religious
issue,
it's
a
human
issue,
and
so
as
human
beings,
we
can
understand
it
and
as
human
in
our
and
all
of
our
brains,
work
the
same
when
it
comes
to
trauma
all
of
our
brains.
Don't
work
the
same
when
it
comes
to
religion.
All
of
our
brains
do
not
work
the
same
when
it
comes
to
morals
and
legality
and
all
that
stuff.
But
all
of
our
brains
work
exactly
the
same
when
it
comes
to
trauma.
P
So
I
think
that
trauma
lens
is
such
an
important
and
unified
place
to
work
from.
P
P
I
am
teaching
not
to
I'm
doing
that
with
both
yes,
every
month,
I've
been
call
I've
been
out,
of
course,
not
during
this
covet
period,
but
every
month,
for
about
three
years
now
I
go
out
and
do
ptsd
with
the
police
and
every
month
probably
twice
a
month.
P
I
have
the
faith-based
initiative
with
you
know
at
at
center
for
victims,
where
I
walk
them
through,
and
I
I
hope
and
pray
that
we
will
be
able
to
open
the
doors
again
so
that,
if
any
of
you
have
not
been
through
the
second
floor
of
the
center
for
victims,
you'll
be
able
to
walk
through
the
trauma
exhibit
which
is
very
powerful.
P
It's
very
powerful,
exhibit
and
so,
and
so
we're
still
presenting
that
we're
finding
ways
to
present
that
by
assume,
but
there's
nothing
like
actually
being
in
the
space
of
the
exhibit
and
learning
trauma
and
understanding
trauma
and
we've
been
walking
through
police
officers
as
well
as
parishioners
through
this
trauma
lens.
Having
this
trauma
lens,
it's
it's
a
unified,
as
it
says
to
sharon's
point,
is
a
place
of
unity
where
we
can
under.
G
P
Is
correct
and
it
actually,
it
actually
does
both
because
it
begins
to
deal
with
their
own
ptsd.
Some
of
the
police
officers
have
some
of
the
veteran
police
officers
have
testified
that
they
really
wish
they
had
that
lesson
and
understanding
before
they
got
into
it.
You
know,
because
they
were
now
20
years
in
and
not
had
an
awareness
or
they
may
have
made
some
judgments
that
did
not
realize
that
it
came
from
trauma.
P
You
know
from
post-traumatic
trauma
and
post-traumatic
stress,
and
then
this
also
when
you
get
when
you
gain
this
lens,
it
also
helps
you
learn
what
you
might
be
dealing
with,
because,
most
of
the
time
we
we
have
tied
society,
we
have
taught
to
address
people
either
from
criminal
or
crazy.
P
That's
the
two:
that's
the
two
components
and
those
are
the
two
systems
that
we
have
set
up.
We
have
set
up
the
criminal
system
and
the
crazy
system,
mental
health
or
criminal.
We
only
go
to
those,
but
when
we
get
this
trauma
lens,
we
can
address
people
from
this
trauma.
This
very
empathetic
and
more
sympathetic,
empathetic
lens
or
perspective.
Where
you
begin
to
connect
and
tie
in
with
people
from
their
trauma
from
the
place
of
trauma,
so
both
things
happen.
G
So
we're
looking,
I
may
just
want
to
talk
to
you
about
this
more
we're.
Looking
at
officer
wellness
and
things
we
can
do
to
help
support
mental
health
of
our
officers,
and
so
I'm
curious
as
to
whether
this
is
like
a
voluntary.
You
know
if
people
want
to
come
to
your
program,
they
come
to
anyway.
Maybe
online.
P
Absolutely,
let's
do
it,
you
know
what
I'm
I'm
one
of
the
things.
Personally,
I
just
really
have
a
heart
to
see
people
being
well,
you
know
and
doing
well
and
doing
better
so
and
a
lot
of
times.
We
we
don't
a
lot.
There
are
some
people,
just
don't
have
the
resiliency
component,
a
strong
resiliency,
but
there
are.
There
are
strategies
and
structures
that
can
be
put
in
place
for
every
individual.
That
arm
that
that
can
create
wellness
and
self-care
to
to
be
able
to.
As
a
citizen
in
in
society,.
A
P
I
would
believe
that
I
love,
I
love
the
acronym
that
was
put
out
there.
I
really
believe
that
would
be
something
that
would
absolutely
be
the
well
received
by
the
faith
based
organization,
especially
the
leadership
that
I
work
with
now.
Each
of
them.
A
P
I
certainly
will
I
will
I
will
be
doing.
I
will
take
that
to
the
table
and
give
out
a
recommendation
to
rabbi
ron
sam
sevens
of
the
jewish
community
center
and
and
reverend
lydia
reverend
liddy.
Those
are
the
two
I
will
give
those
recommendations
to.
They
will
help
me
spread
that
recommendation
to
some
others
beyond
our
our
small
group.
You
know
that
we
can
stretch
across
the
western
pennsylvania
group
of
men
and
women
who
are
in
leadership.
I
love,
I
love
the
idea
and
I
will
definitely
recommend
do
that.
O
P
They
have
not
well
at
least
not
not
for
me,
and
I'm
probably
one
of
the
ones
who
is
at
the
front
of
on
the
front
lines
of
those
who
are
being
trained
throughout
western
pennsylvania
right
now,
so
they
have
not
been.
We
have
been
finally
been
able
to
provide
this
training
to
make
young
men
poised
from
the
assist
program,
and
it's
been
working
very
well,
but
yeah.
No,
there's
not
there's
not
been
connection
to
the
police.
The
pittsburgh
police.
O
The
reason
why
I
asked
it
was
a
year
or
so
ago,
sharon
mcintosh
who's.
Our
youth
summit
coordinator
for
the
coalition
is
violence.
I
want
to
be
peps
initiative,
we
were
there
on,
I
don't
know
if
it
was
after
the
sandy
hook,
killings
or
one
of
the
big
ones.
I'm
sorry,
I
can't
remember
which
one
it
was,
and
we
were
talking
about
18
kids,
who
were
going
to
be
leading
a
youth
summit
at
woodland
hills,
school,
no,
penny
hill
school.
O
O
So
most
of
us
at
our
age
group
did
not
have
that
when
we
went
to
school
it
was
just
trying
to
get
good
grades
right
now,
it's
if
you're
going
to
live
to
get
to
the
school
or
come
home
from
the
school,
and
that
may
put
our
kids
valerie
as
a
former
board
weren't.
You
a
board
president
in
a
whole
different
mental
trip
than
a
psychological
trip
than
kids
were
30
or
40
years
ago.
P
That's
right
absolutely
is
certainly.
That
certainly
is
the
case.
We
have
to
look
at
kids
today,
because
the
violence
is
so
great
and
the
trauma
is
so
great
we're
not
just
talking
about
violence.
We
also
talk
about
the
the
lack
of
resources,
other
resources
in
the
schools,
other
resources
in
the
community
and
homes
trauma
all
types
of
trauma,
all
type
types
of
experience,
traumatic
experiences
that
young
people
deal
with
on
a
regular
basis.
P
O
A
P
A
Well,
minister,
jewelry,
we
want
to
extend
our
thanks
for
you
taking
time
to
bring
a
faith-based
perspective
to
the
conversation
and
two
points
that
you
presented.
It's
the
trauma,
slash
ptsd
lens
and
training
that
is
in
place
and
available
with
police
and
the
faith-based
leaders
and
the
willingness
to
present
the
faith-based
de-escalation
team
recommendation
to
get
buy-in
from
faith-based
leaders.
So
should
that
come
out
as
a
recommendation
and
faith-based
leaders
are
asked
to
participate,
we
would
want
them
to
participate
versus
indicate.
We
don't
support
that
recommendation,
so
we
just
want
to
buy
it
up
front.
A
And
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
taking
time
and
spending
with
us
this
evening
and
we
reach
back
out.
If
you
have
any
follow-up
questions.
P
O
I
have
a
special
presentation:
it's
either
going
to
be
11
or
4
on
wednesday.
It
depends
on
who
responds
back
because
we
have
a
tie,
but
we're
going
to
do
it
on
wednesday,
at
either
11
or
at
four.
We
have
commander
jason
lando,
who
used
to
command
number
five
he's
now.
O
I
believe
it's
with
advice
and
drugs
and
all
that,
but
he's
been
one
of
the
most
community
based
commanders.
I've
ever
met
in
my
life
and
tiffany
klein
costa
who's
heading
the
community
relations
piece
and
has
great
credits
in
the
community
works
well
with
the
kids
and
we're
going
to
hear
from
them
their
ideas
with
regard
to
recruiting
hiring
training
and
education
of
what
they
think
the
police
should
be
getting
from
a
police
perspective
that
we
can
listen
to.
O
L
Yes,
thank
you.
The
use
of
forest
group
will
be
getting
another
set
of
a
memo
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
tomorrow
or
wednesday.
For
me,
I
promise
it
will
be
short
and
to
the
point,
because
I
think
what
we've
heard
in
the
last
couple
of
meetings
will
allow
us
to
close
in
on
some
things.
I
just
also
wanted
to
make
a
suggestion.
L
I
know
that
there
was
a
lot
of
talk
last
time
about
different
people
to
invite
in.
I
don't
have
anybody
in
particular
in
mind,
but
I
did
want
to
say
that
it
had
been
pointed
out
to
me
by
a
community
member
that
nobody
from
the
lgbtqi
community
had
been
asked
about
coming
to
speak
to
us.
So
I
wanted
to
put.
L
A
You
good
point
bobby.
C
Q
Wanted
to
make
a
very
quick
set
of
reminders
to
the
group,
as
we
continue
to
try
to
do
our
best
to
meet
everyone's
requests,
a
reminder
that
committee
leaders
are
responsible
for
scheduling
their
own
committee
meetings
and
if
you
would
like
someone
staff
present
at
your
meetings
to
take
meeting
minutes,
you
have
to
let
us
know
in
advance
so
that
we
can
try
to
arrange
with
interns.
If
possible,
we
will
do
our
utmost
to
meet
those
meet.
Those
asks.
Thank
you.
K
A
Was
from
earlier
all
right,
amanda.
E
E
H
I
will
give
a
quick
update.
We
had
a
very
informative
meeting
with
with
laura
growski
from
the
mayor's
office
and
then
also
with
I'm
sorry.
My
voice
is
going
also
with
lindsey
powell
very
helpful
in
terms
of
helping
us
frame
what
the
recommendations
would
look
like
coming
out
of
the
unbundling
group.
This
coming
friday,
we
have
department
of
human
services.
O
A
J
A
All
right
well
again
task
force.
Thank
you
for
all
of
your
hard
work
and
commitments
that
you
are
putting
forth
to
support
this
important
task.
We
will
follow
up
with
minutes
and
we
will
also
send
out
the
update
for
next
week,
which
is
focusing
on
disabilities.
Is
that
correct
bobby?
I
have
it
correct.
Yes,.
C
A
O
I'm
wondering
dr
bullock
and
valerie
if
we
can
find
a
couple
people
from
the
lgbtqai
community
to
maybe
be
for
the
latter
part
of
that
call
next
monday,
if
possible,.
A
All
right,
I
will
reach
out
and
see
if
we
get
some
contacts
that
we
can
see
if
they're
able
to
join
us
and.
M
Related
to
that,
dr
bullock,
I'm
gonna
reach
out
to
some
folks
as
well
and
see
if
I
can
I'll
I'll
relay
to
you.
I
in
particular
want
to
think
about
the
trans
community.
I'm
imagining
that
there's
a
lot
of
interaction
with
the.
N
Hi
everybody,
this
is
lindsay,
just
really
quick.
I
know
there
was
a
request
last
week
to
have
documents
translated.
They
have
been.
The
minutes
have
been
translated
into
the
top
five.
I
believe
languages
that
we
see
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
but
hirsch
will
make
sure
that
that's
clear
in
the
minute
notes
that
he
sends
out
this
week.
M
I'm
gonna
try
to
reach
out
now
I'll
just
keep
you
posted
on
what
I
find
and
if
we
can
kind
of
just
relate
to
one
another,
but
I
I
will
keep
you
and
valerie
posted
on
what
I
find
hey.
B
Matt,
can
you
reach
out
to
lindsay
because
of
the
mayor's
commission,
the
l,
you
know
the
lgbtqia
plus
was
just
a
task
force.
It
is
now
an
official
commission.
I
don't
know
where
they're
at
with
the
process,
but
you
may
want
to
just
face
with
staff
on
that
one
too.
Okay,.
B
Excellent
idea
to
have
I
do
a
question
for
bobby
bobby:
will
the
disabilities
dialogue
will
that
also
entail
intellectual
disabilities
as
well
as
physical.
C
I
I
believe
yes
comprehensively.
Thank
you.
K
B
I
don't
know
what
it
was
but
yeah,
and
richard
has
asked
for
patrol
officers,
people
that
are
more
on
the
ground
with
things
to
also
add
input
which
I
believe
most
task
force
members
a
number
have
already
commented
on,
and
richard
mentioned
commander
raglan
in
zone
one
the
north
side.
It
has
some
high
stats
and
they
also
have
community
base
station
in
northview
heights,
which
is
a
low-income
public
housing
community.
So
I'm
going
to
be
working
on
this
good
idea.