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A
Good
evening,
everyone
it
is
that
time
of
the
evening
that
we
will
begin
our
police
reform
task
force.
Tonight
we
have
another
group
joining
us
to
present
and
discuss
another
important
topic
tonight.
We
have
the
national
organization
of
black
law
enforcement
executives
that
will
talk
to
us
and
I'm
sure,
there's
one
topic
that
many
will
have
questions
about.
A
A
B
Hi.
Thank
you,
dr
bullock.
Welcome
everyone.
Thank
you,
so
very
much
for
availing
yourself
to
task
force
members
in
this
critical
endeavor,
and
we
really
do
look
forward
into
your
open
dialogue
and
hand
a.
A
Look
like
she
got
frozen
out.
She's
welcoming
everyone
she'll
join
us
shortly,
while
her
technology
catches
up
with
us.
I
would
like
to
take
some
time
to
welcome
to
the
task
force
rabbi
simones,
he
is
joining
us.
Were
you
able
to
get
on.
A
A
We
want
to
be
respectful
for
others
who
have
identified
their
hand
to
ask
questions
we'll
do
our
very
best
to
keep
an
eye
on
when
hands
come
up
to
acknowledge
you
to
give
you
that
time
to
talk,
make
a
question
or
make
a
comment
all
right,
very
good.
I
will
now
turn
it
over
if
there
are
no
other
announcements
or
opening
remarks
turn
over
to
miss
bryant,
who
facilitates
today's
discussion.
E
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
allowing
members
of
noble
to
address
your
task
force
today.
Our
discussions
this
evening
were
not
designed
to
address
any
specific
incidents
or
investigations
occurring
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
or
allegheny
county.
Although
we
know
you
have
some
questions
and
we
will
try
to
answer
them
as
best
we
can.
One
of
the
common
themes
that
we
have
will
resonate
throughout
our
discussions
is
how
only
through
open
communications,
collaborations
and
good
working
relationships
will
there
truly
be
positive
changes
in
police
reform.
E
One
of
the
first
speakers
that
we
have
to
address
you
is
our
national
president,
linda
williams,
she's
retired,
from
the
united
states,
secret
service
and
she's.
Currently,
the
national
president,
she
retired
as
a
deputy
assistant
director
in
2017.,
linda
yuan.
F
Come
on,
thank
you.
My
fingers
was
quicker
than
my
computer.
Okay,
you
ready
yes,
ma'am!
Thank
you
very
much
to
the
mayor's
community
police
reform
task
force.
My
past
president,
madam
ryan,
and
other
noble
members
and
constituents
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
F
I
bring
you
greetings
on
behalf
of
the
ad
executive
board
members
and
constituents
of
the
national
organization
of
black
law
enforcement
executive.
Noble
again
I
am
linda
williams
and
I
proudly
serve
as
the
43rd
national
president
of
noble.
I
served
more
than
30
years
in
the
law
enforcement
arena,
as
she
stated
retiring
as
a
deputy
assistant
director
for
the
united
states
secret
service,
I'm
currently
a
professor
of
criminal
justice
administration
at
middle
tennessee
state
university.
F
It's
an
honor
for
noble
to
share
in
today's
discussion
on
the
topic
of
police
reform.
Noble
joins
our
nation
in
condemning
the
police,
actives
actions
and
inactions
that
led
to
the
death
of
mr
george
floyd.
We
also
are
alarmed
and
mourned
with
the
nation
at
the
horrific
killings
of
brianna
taylor,
ahmad
aubry
and
rashad
brooks
these
names
just
represent
just
a
few
in
a
much
longer
list
of
tragedies
impacting
communities
of
color.
F
The
senseless
death
of
george
floyd
has
gained
unprecedented
attention
around
the
globe.
People
from
every
walk
of
life
are
collectively
demanding
that
justice
must
be
fair,
justice
must
be
transparent
and
justice
must
be
equal,
though
it
is
very
important
that
the
minneapolis
police
officers
involved
are
prosecuted
to
the
fullest
extent
of
the
law.
It
is
just
as
important
that
we
address
the
systemic
shortcomings
and
oftentimes
failures
of
our
law
enforcement
and
criminal
justice
systems.
F
Many
police
leaders
in
the
united
states
have
already
accepted
this
monumental
responsibility.
They
are
obligated
to
work
towards
mean
change.
Noble
is
fully
aware
that
addressing
issues
within
the
long-term
spectrum
is
a
very
small
part
of
a
larger,
more
complex
construct,
comprised
of
america's
continued
imbalanced
distribution
of
critical
resources.
F
History
has
shown
that
minority
citizens
have
been
disenfranchised
from
the
american
dream
from
generation
to
generation.
America
would
never
realize
her
true
potential
until
all
of
its
citizens.
Humanity
is
equally
valued
and
protected
through
racial
and
social
justice.
Noble
continues
to
work
to
achieve
effective
police
community
community
policing
practices
that
ensure
the
public
and
officers
are
safe.
The
adjusting
and
policing
act
of
2020
encompasses
many
other
solutions.
Law
enforcement
and
communities
have
agreed
that
will
help
improve
public
safety,
build
trust
and
increase
accountability.
F
We
wholeheartedly
support
the
passing
of
the
justice
and
policing
act,
which
specifically
addresses
the
loopholes
that
continue
to
allow
police
tragedies,
free
of
oversight
and
accountabilities
environments
that
foster
unfested
racial
tension
and
the
continued
desecration
of
what
I
consider.
What
is
a
noble
profession?
F
However,
today,
at
this
critical
time
in
history,
noble
encourages
congress
to
act
with
deliberate
haste,
to
pass
transformative
legislation
to
reform
the
system
of
policing
to
effectively
snuff
out
every
possibility
of
racial
bias
that
has
thrived
in
the
belly
of
our
industries.
For
decades
as
president
of
noble,
I
can
unequivocally
attest
to
the
perpetual
existence
of
discrimination,
discriminatory
practices
that
remain
a
haunting
reality
for
people
of
color
throughout
our
nation.
F
It
is
critical
that
we
first
acknowledge
the
present
need
for
a
comprehensive
and
holistic
approach
to
change
and
then
urgently
begin
the
process
of
mapping
the
ways
towards
policing,
reimagined,
the
listening
garden
guardians
to
wear
the
badge
not
warriors
and
those
who
value
our
communities
and
the
same
sanctity
of
life
on
behalf
of
more
than
3
800
law
enforcement
leaders,
mostly
minority
who
represent
the
membership
of
noble.
We
thank
you
for
supporting
the
law
enforcement
profession
but,
most
importantly
for
listening
to
the
voices
of
protesters
around
the
globe
who
demand
change.
F
That's
more
than
a
counterfeit
twenty
dollar
bill,
more
than
some
loose
cigarettes
and,
more
importantly,
than
simply
showing
up
at
the
wrong
address.
Noble
calls
on
the
united
states
congress
again
to
quickly
implement
effective
21st
century
policing
procedures
and
deliver
the
char
change
american
needs
right
now.
I
thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
F
E
You,
madam
president,
madam
president,
gave
us
just
an
overview
of
what
noble
stands
for
and
the
work
that
is
being
done,
both
in
in
washington
dc
and
throughout
our
our
sixth
region.
Next,
I
would
like
to
to
call
dr
joseph
mcmillan
to
talk
about
some
of
the
strategies
that
are
used
by
noble
dr
mcmillan.
G
Good
afternoon,
I
appreciate
the
ability
to
offer
a
few
comments
as
part
of
this
panel
by
way
of
background,
I'm
a
retired
senior
executive
service,
federal
law
enforcement
official
with
more
than
42
years
of
public
and
military
service,
I
hold
an
undergraduate
graduate
and
doctoral
degree
in
criminal
justice,
as
well
as
a
graduate
degree
in
strategic
intelligence,
I'm
also
a
postdoctoral
fellow
with
the
institute
for
polarities
of
democracy
and
a
past
national
president
of
the
national
organization
of
black
law
enforcement
executives.
G
G
Policing
is
a
profession
with
an
expectation
of
having
high
standards.
There's
minim.
There
are
minimal
areas
for
not
getting
a
situation
right.
To
that
extent,
we
must
ask
ourselves
that,
when
presented
with
the
awesome
ability
to
reimagine
policing
in
the
21st
century,
what
does
true
reform
look
like?
G
So
I
won't
re
revisit
those
the
21st
century,
policing
task
force,
identified
several
pillars
to
guide
law
enforcement
officials
and
enforcement
towards
reforms,
specifically
three
of
the
pillars
touch
from
various
areas
of
reforming
the
police,
culture
from
a
warrior
to
guardian
mentality,
pillar
one
building,
trust
and
legitimacy,
pillar,
two
policy
and
oversight
and
pillar
four
community
policing
and
crime
reduction.
G
Such
innovation
is
what
is
needed
to
change
the
culture
in
policing
to
address
reforms
and
policing
noble's
embarked
on
an
innovative
alliance
with
the
institute
for
polarity
of
democracy,
to
evaluate
specific
21st
century
policing
repellers
through
the
polarity
of
democracy
lens.
The
polarity
of
democracy.
G
G
Each
of
those
two
poles
may
seem
to
be
at
cross
purposes
with
one
another,
but
choosing
one
of
the
poles
as
a
solution
will
lead
to
problems
if
you
apply
either
or
thinking
to
the
tension,
both
and
polarities
depend
on
both
poles
over
time.
An
example
would
be
justice
and
due
process
they're
interdependent.
G
G
The
project
was
designed
to
bring
together
all
parts
of
the
community
to
foster
engagement
and
civil
dialogue
in
support
of
a
common,
greater
purpose
statement.
The
greater
purpose
statement
selected
for
that
community
was
to
further
strengthen
and
broaden
collaboration
between
the
city
of
charleston
police
and
the
citizens.
They
serve.
G
Communities
are
demanding
change
in
the
area
of
accountability
and
reformation
of
the
policing
culture,
as
we
know
it
today,
I
contend
that
we
have
a
template
in
the
21st
century,
policing
report
that
provides
an
outline
for
change
and
achieving
accountability
if
we
are
willing
to
embrace
it
and
thank
you.
I
look
forward
to
your
questions.
E
Okay,
thank
you,
dr
mcmillan,
that
just
kind
of
gave
an
overview
from
from
a
national
perspective
of
what
noble
is
doing.
What
type
of
process
that
we're
going
to
go
through
to
accomplish
our
goals.
Now,
I'm
going
to
bring
it
back
home
a
little
locally
and
introduce
you
to
the
assistant
special
agent
in
charge
of
the
the
dea
here
in
pittsburgh
and
that's
paris,
pratt
senior.
H
Thank
you,
ms
brian
again,
my
name
is
paris
pratt
and
thank
you
for
having
me
tonight
before
I
begin
speaking
about
dea,
I
wanted
to
talk
to
you
about
myself
a
little
bit.
H
I
was
born
in
philadelphia
raised
in
camden
new
jersey,
so
I
didn't
have
a
pro
law
enforcement
background
growing
up
in
the
city
of
camden.
It
wasn't
until
I
got
to
college
that
I
understood
that
in
order
to
change
something
you
had
to
do
it
from
the
inside.
So
after
graduating
from
college,
I
went
back
home
to
camden
and
there
was
two
professions
that
I
thought
about:
being
an
educator
and
being
in
law
enforcement,
because
I
thought
I
could
be
productive
in
either
career
fast
forward.
I
end
up
getting
on
with
the
dea.
H
H
Again,
my
title
is
assistant
special
agent
in
charge,
which
means
that
I'm
the
dea
supervisor
in
western
pennsylvania,
if
you
didn't
know
dea,
is
singular
focus.
We
enforce
federal
drug
laws.
Only,
however,
we'll
look
into
murders
and
terrorism
and
things
like
that.
If
it's
attached
to
drugs,
we
have
239
domestic
offices
and
91
foreign
offices
in
68
different
countries
back
in
2015
dea
thought
that
we
needed
to
reach
out
more
to
the
community.
H
We
were
going
through
the
opioid
epidemic
event
at
that
time
and
pittsburgh
was
the
pilot
office
for
this
strategy
called
360
strategy
and
where
we
focused
the
three-prong
approach
was
community
outreach,
law
enforcement
and
diversion
control,
and
some
of
the
objectives
were
to
bring
the
different
elements
together.
The
local
communities
to
speak
about
the
problems
have
a
lasting
impact
through
increased
awareness
and
change
attitudes
to
reduce
demand,
reduction
in
collaboration
with
the
city,
state
and
other
federal
counterparts.
H
Dea
couldn't
do
its
job
without
our
law
enforcement
community,
nor
the
community
outreach
program,
because
everyone
that
we
deal
with
are
not
criminals
and
we
might
have
sources
of
information
from
the
community
and
or
cooperating
defendants
that
want
to
improve
their
community
and
or
families.
So
we're
all
in
this
together
and
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
and
I'll
pass
it
back
to
mr
ryan.
E
Okay,
thank
you,
paris,
I'm
not
sure.
If
I'm
chief,
bigger
staff,
she
was
having
trouble
getting
on
chief.
Are
you
on,
if
she's
not
on
yet
we're
just
going
to
try
to
to
reach
her
and
then
move
on
to
chiefer,
bigger
staff?
E
Okay,
so
we're
going
to
move
on
to
theodore
johnson,
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
you
on
on
the
call
know
him
as
ted
he's
the
chairman
of
the
board
for
probation
and
parole
and
he's
gonna.
When
you
talk
about
police
reform
it.
It's
not
just
police
that
you
have
to
deal
with
our
whole
criminal
justice
needs
to
be
needs
reform.
So
ted
is
going
to
talk
to
you
about
some
things
on
the
probation
and
parole
sign.
That's
it.
I
Thanks
maria
and
thank
you
committee
for
having
me
david
and
richard,
we
have
worked
closely
with
you
prior
to
this
present
job
that
I
have
as
chairman.
Many
of
you
know
that
I
was
the
chief
of
federal
probation
for
western
district
of
pennsylvania
for
or
and
worked
in
that
that
department
for
about
25
years,
the
last
10
as
chief.
J
I
After
retirement
in
2011,
I
became
the
associate
director
of
a
few
female
halfway
houses
in
allegheny
county
that
were
used
by
allegheny
county
courts
before
I
was
appointed
by
governor
wolf
to
this
present
position,
as
chairman
of
the
state
parole
board,
some
of
the
things
that
I
have.
I
have
worked
44
years
in
this
in
this
field,
I've
worked
in
erie
counties
where
I
started:
allegheny
county
probation,
of
course,
with
the
feds
nonprofit.
I
Now
with
the
state,
it's
a
unique
career
where
it's
a
combination
of
law
enforcement
and
social
work,
which
I
enjoy
some
of
the
things
that
we
are
doing
in
state
parole.
I
want
to
go
through
that
are
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
did
in
the
federal
probation
and
pre-trial
services
western
district.
I
I
We
hired
paul,
who
is
still
there
paul
gamble,
and
he
was
head
of
our
re-entry
program.
His
job
was
to
go
out
and
recruit
employers
and
to
speak
to
some
of
the
people
on
our
caseloads
as
to
careers
in
other
jobs,
we're
doing
pretty
much
the
same
in
state
parole.
We
have
were
heavily
involved
in
reentry
court
for
veterans,
drug
court
and
and
looking
constantly
to
help
those
ex-offenders
come
out
and
and
gain
some
employment.
I
As
the
chair,
I
think,
there's
two
programs
that
I
have
really
been
proud
of
in
the
2016
supreme
court
versus
miller
came
out
and
said
it
was
no
longer.
I
We
were
no
longer
able
to
sentence
juveniles
to
life
in
prison.
So
at
that
point
in
time
in
the
country
there
were
2
500
juveniles
who
had
gone
to
jail
under
the
age
of
17
and
were
spending
their
life.
Some
of
those
guys
were
60
65
years
old.
By
the
time
they
got
to
the
parole
board
out
of
the
2500
530
of
those
were
in
pennsylvania
out
of
the
5
30
311
were
from
philadelphia.
I
I
am
proud
to
say
that,
as
of
this
point,
we
have
paroled
300
of
those
juvenile
lifers
and
with
some
still
being
resentenced
and
will
be
coming
before
us.
What
we're
proud
of
is
that,
since
2016,
we
have
released
300
and
only
one
of
those
juvenile
lifers
has
come
back
with
a
violation,
and
it
was
not
a
violent
violation.
It
was
drug
related.
J
I
Of
prisons,
probation
and
parole,
the
community
and
the
juvenile
lifers
themselves,
who
have
formed
groups
in
different
parts
of
the
country
to
support
each
other,
so
the
collaboration
was,
is
really
what's
working
and
it's
working
so
so
much
it's
working.
It's
been
so
successful
that
we
are
now
asking
congress
to.
Let
us
look
at
18
to
24
year
old,
third
degree,
murder
cases
where
the
defendant
is
not
was
not
a
shooter,
so
I'm
pretty
proud
of
that.
I
The
other
thing
is:
we
have
conducted
safe
return
throughout
the
state
and
today
a
press
conference
in
the
governor's
office
we
are
going
to
conduct
safe
return
again,
not
on
the
scale
that
we
have
in
the
past
because
of
the
pandemic.
In
the
past
we
have
used
federal
state
and
local,
any
federal
state
and
local
warrant
that
was
out
there.
I
We
had
a
four
day
period
where
they
were
able
to
turn
themselves
in
for
favorable
outcomes.
It
was
not
amnesty
but
favorable
outcomes
because
of
the,
and
we
were
scheduled
to
do
that
in
pittsburgh
here
in
october,
but
again,
that's
been
cancelled
because
of
the
pandemic,
but
state
parole.
We
are
still
going
to
do
ours,
the
dates
for
that
are
going
to
be
august,
24th
through
september
4th.
I
I
If
there
are
new
charges,
then
we
are
going
to
handle
those,
but
because
you've
turned
yourself
in
myself
and
the
eight
other
parole
board.
Judges
will
take
that
into
consideration
when
we're
handing
down
how
much
time
you're
going
to
owe
us
again
that
those
dates
are
going
to
be
august
24th
through
september
4th,
and
there
will
be
information
coming
forthcoming
to
in
the
in
publications
around
the
around
the
state.
He
knows.
I
One
other
organization
that
I
am
very
proud
of:
it's
a
local
organization
that
some
of
you
may
be
aware
of
it's
mad
dads
man's
dad's
was
the
idea
of
my
college
roommate
and
some
other
guys
who
had
gone
to
college
with,
and
we
are
at
this
point
in
time,
six
females
who,
on
a
weekly
basis,
patrol
areas
that
are
drug
infested
or
there
is
high
crime.
We
coordinate
with
law
enforcement
and.
I
I
We
have
green
shirts,
we're
very
visible
and
we
will
hang
out
on
that
corner
every
day
and
tonight
and
we
go
out
at
12
midnight.
We
might
be
out
there
until
two
o'clock
in
the
morning,
but
it
was
an
idea
that
george
spencer
had
where
we
had
been
males
had
not
been.
We
had
been
absent
from
the
community
and
and
the
female
had
really
taken
the
majority
of
the
responsibility
of
raising
our
kids.
I
So
we
wanted
to
give
something
back
to
the
community
because
we
had
all
been
blessed
and
that
again
we
go
out
and
we
you
know
we
maybe
do
some
cleaning
in
some
areas
of
the
of
the
city.
We
have
when
there's
trouble
with
some
of
the
high
schools.
We
will
show
up
around
the
time
that
they're
letting
out
and
just
sort
of
hang
out
so
that
there
are
no
fights
we
have
with
the
u.s
attorney's
office.
I
Coordinating
there
was
a
there
is
a
spot
downtown
that
our
organization,
with
some
other
organizations,
go
down
and
just
make
sure
that
the
kids
are
safe
as
they
are
getting
out
of
school
and
getting
on
the
bus,
so
that
is
that
is
one
of
the
proudest
things.
I
think
that
I've
I've
done
aside
from
my
work
in
law
enforcement,
the
common
theme
for
all
the
successes
that
I
have
had
has
been
collaboration,
and
I
think
it
is
the
same
with
this.
I
I
think
that
the
community
and
law
enforcement
and
the
other
agencies
we
need
to
collaborate
working
in
a
silo
does
not
work
for
me
working
with
noble,
who
also
should
be
a
liaison
between
the
community
and
law
enforcement,
because
we
are
african
and
we
are
the
minorities.
We
are
minority
out
of
uniform
and
we
are.
We
are
law
enforcement
in
uniform.
I
I
E
I
Them
so,
if
anything
should
be
taken
away
from
this,
this
podcast
is
is
collaboration
is
that
we
all
need
to
work
together,
and
I
close
with
this-
I
think
that
since
we
only
have
a
few
days
till
the
election,
I
think
that
the
biggest
collaboration
we
can
have
is
to
all
work
towards
votes,
getting
votes
out,
no
matter
who
you
want
to
vote
for,
but
I
think
that
everyone
should,
I
think
we
should
all
be
on
the
same
page
and
and
sort
of
put
all
of
our
guns
down
and
and
and
lead
to
that,
one
that,
one
day
in
november,
where
we're
going
to
be
voting
for
someone
at
the
top
to
lead
our
nation.
E
Okay,
thank
you.
Ted
next,
we're
gonna
have
ted
is
a
a
immediate
past,
president
of
the
pittsburgh
chapter
of
noble,
and
now
I'm
going
to
bring
on
our
current
chapter
president
ernest
withrow
to
address
you.
E
K
That's
what
our
motto
is
and
I
like
to
think
it's
exactly
what
we
do
in
the
world
we
live
in.
There
is
there's
much
turmoil
that
has
been
woven
into
the
fabric
of
our
day-to-day
lives.
The
social
construction
has
influenced
cultural
upheaval
as
well
as
ethnic
cleansing.
While
there
has
been
many
attempts
to
eradicate
racial
by
racial
barriers,
little
has
changed
prejudice
and
demons
and
discrimination
continues
to
cause
disparity
in
the
distribution
of
employment
opportunities,
fair
wages,
legal
representation
and
educational
equality.
K
K
K
The
length
of
time
dedicated
to
the
protests
will
determine
the
importance
of
the
cost
I
like
to
really
address
or
to
acknowledge
those
individuals,
young
people,
older
people
who
are
out
in
the
community
even
this
day
protesting
and
showing
the
concern
that
something
is
awry.
Something
is
wrong.
Something
needs
to
be
changed.
K
K
Currently,
the
nation
is
undergoing
a
pandemic
that
has
restricted
normal
public
gatherings,
which
most
likely
has
added
to
the
unrest.
Simultaneous
protests.
However,
the
protest
has
gained
support
of
other
countries.
The
protest
is
a
result
of
police
tactics
that
have
been
that
have
ended
in
killing
of
citizens
nationally.
K
The
action
of
the
police
has
called
for
focus
and
protest
for
reform.
The
practice
in
which
physical
force
is
used
to
apprehend
someone
suspected
of
a
criminal
act
on
the
surface.
It
appears
that
the
deaths
to
name
a
few,
for
instance
cleveland's
12
year
old
tamir
rice
antoine
rose,
george
floyd,
eric
garner
ferguson
ferguson,
michael
brown,
in
saint
paul
philando
castile,
where
they
were
at
the
hands
of
the
police,
originally
reported
to
be
isolated
incidents.
However,
there
are
aspects
that
is
that
insulate
the
acts
were
racially
motivated
to
begin
to
address
police
reform.
K
K
K
K
Currently,
we
have
the
real
problem.
That
is
brewing
and
that's
the
school
to
the
prison
pipeline,
which
is
affected
truly
by
the
lack
of
good
housing,
employment
opportunities,
equal
wage
pays
and
access
to
health
care.
All
of
these
issues
truly
affect
our
children
and
will
continue
to
affect
our
children
unless
we
in
fact
do
something
about
it.
K
It's
unfortunate
that
the
one
thing
that
we
can
count
on
as
people
of
color
in
this
country
is
the
fact
that
we
can
go
to
prison
and
that's
terrible.
It's
terrible
that
we
have
only
that
to
look
forward
when
we,
as
people
have
dedicated
so
much
time
and
effort
and
labor
to
the
making
of
this
country
to
be
what
it
is.
K
So
often
we,
the
people
of
color,
find
ourselves
without
true
recognition,
and
we
have
been
disenfranchised.
Unfortunately,
that
disenfranchise
has
caused
the
stigma
and
we
are
burdened
with
it.
We
need
to
constantly.
We
need
to
constantly
concentrate
on
change
and,
as
I
said,
not
change,
because
a
few
rogue
police
or
a
few
individuals
have
not
paid
quite
attention
or
addressed
the
situation.
K
We
need
to
continue
to
do
this
until
the
fight
is
no
longer
needed.
However
long
that
takes,
I
agree
with
the
previous
individual,
mr
ted
johnson,
that
corroboration
is
needed,
but
we
constantly
talk
about
getting
together,
doing
whatever
it
takes
to
meet
the
needs,
but
so
often
it's
rhetoric.
K
We
need
to
find
ourselves
actually
boots
on
the
ground,
doing
that
which
is
necessary
and
because
I'm
particularly
concerned
about
our
children,
I
think
noble
is
addressing
noble.
Pittsburgh
is
addressing
our
children
and
some
of
the
problems
that
we
have.
This
is
done
by
our
law
and
your
community,
in
which
we
go
into
the
schools.
K
K
K
K
A
lot
of
our
young
people
are
suffering
from
mental
illness
that
mental
illness
comes
from
the
lack
of
good
housing,
poor,
poor
employment,
that
the
parents
are
suffering
from
the
lack
of
wages
and
there's
so
much,
and
so
more
so
much
more
that
we
need
to
address-
and
I
hope
in
the
future
that
we
all
will
continue
to
address
these
issues.
And
I
thank
you
for
the
time.
E
L
I
do
apologize
and
it
does
have
a
lot
to
do
with
the
city
of
pittsburgh's
use
of
teams,
but
I
have
brought
my
own
computer
and
I
just
could
not
connect.
So
please
forgive
me.
I
missed
everything
from
the
beginning,
but
I'm
sure
it's
been
enlightening
to
everyone.
L
I
know
there
was
a
brief
introduction
and
my
career
spans
over
30
years
here
with
the
pittsburgh
bureau
police,
and
I
am
so
happy
to
say
that
I
never
looked
at
this
as
a
job,
but
I've
always
looked
at
it
as
a
calling,
a
a
an
ability
to
connect
with
the
community
and
to
forge
ahead
with
the
community
and
that's
what
the
pittsburgh
police
continues
to
do.
L
Our
whole
mission
here
is
community
policing,
community
engagement
and,
of
course,
filling
in
the
gaps
that
we
miss
as
law
enforcement
officers.
We
want
to
be
that
connecting
force.
There
are
many
initiatives
that
we're
part
of
and,
of
course,
during
the
question
and
answer
period
I
can
get
into
that.
But
I
want
to
piggyback
on
what
the
noble
president
ernest
winthrop
just
said:
how
important
it
is
for
us
to
be
that
bridge
and
the
conduit
for
the
community,
and
we
do
engage
the
community
constantly
and
one
of
our
our
most.
L
The
guidance
that
the
noble
community
has
provided
for
me
and
I
have
also
considered
it
to
be
a
privilege
and
an
honor
and
also
a
a
calling,
as
I
had
mentioned,
to
be
a
servant
for
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and
for
the
community
that
I
reach
out
to
on
a
daily
basis.
Thank
you.
L
Oh,
I
forgot
to
mention
I
mean
not
that
I
forgot
to
mention,
but
I
didn't
want
to.
I
didn't
know
exactly
where
we
had
taken
this
entire
program,
ascent
programming,
but.
L
Well,
some
of
the
initiatives
that
we
have
within
pittsburgh
police.
I
actually
wrote
them
down
because
we
have
so
many,
but
of
course
you
know
of
group
violence
intervention,
that's
one
of
our
most.
I
guess
you
could
say
one
of
our
most
beneficial
and
most
successful
initiatives
that
we've
had
within
the
last
five
years
with
our
outreach
workers
who
are
boots
on
the
ground,
with
the
young
people
meeting
them
and
trying
to
curtail
a
lot
of
the
violence
that
we
have
in
our
communities.
L
As
a
matter
of
fact,
in
the
last
five
years
we
have
really
enjoyed,
I
guess
you
can
say,
or
we
have
dropped
the
crime
rate
over
30
percent.
So
that's
some
good
numbers
we
have
copied
with
the
cop.
I'm
sure
that
a
lot
of
you
guys
have
engaged
in
that
we
have
barbershop
reading
where
we
read
to
young
people
in
the
barbershop.
L
Of
course,
we
have
town
hall
meetings.
We
have
a
lot
of
stuff
with
love.
That's
around
the
thanksgiving
time
of
the
year
when
we
actually
go
out
and
give
meals
to
people
and
families
that
are
in
need
of
food.
We
have
open
houses.
We
have
the
cops
and
hoops
program.
We
have
a
lot
of
basketball
programs.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
have
opened
up
a
new
ceo
offices,
the
office
of
community
engagement,
which
we
are
pushing
out
a
lot
of
programming
to
the
community.
L
L
We
have
the
zone
five
community,
I
guess
you
could
say
the
community
open
house
and
of
course
we
have
the
zone.
We
have
the
public
safety
community
meetings
on
a
quarterly
basis
throughout
the
year,
so
just
to
touch
on
a
few
things.
That's
a
few
of
the
things
that
the
pittsburgh
bureau
police
do,
but
we're
constantly
trying
to
improve
our
initiatives
and
be,
as
I
mentioned,
a
conduit
to
the
community
to
bring
to
build
that
bridge
between
police
and
the
community.
Okay,.
E
E
I've
been
in
law
enforcement
for
43
years,
just
retired
was
time
on
the
31st
of
july.
To
me,
there
is
no
better
profession.
There
are
like
any
profession.
There
are
there's
good
and
there's
bad.
Believe
me,
there
is
more
good
in
policing
than
there
is
bad.
There
is
you'll
have
some
some
bad
incidences
here
and
there
and
unfortunately,
they
may
cause
a
loss
of
life,
but
overall
what
police
do
is
for
or
better
than
what
you
may
see
in
the
media
repeatedly
this.
This
is
a
profession
that
I
joined
in
1977.
E
E
You
know:
that's
just
you
you,
you
enforce
the
law,
you
you,
you
know
you
patrol
whatever,
but
they
didn't
realize.
The
breakdown
of
of
of
services,
of
having
a
relationship
with
the
minority
community
existed
over
time
that
that
has
changed
to
where
police
actually
go
out
and
try
to
engage
the
community,
but
it
takes
a
level
of
cooperation
on
both
sides.
You
have
to
to
be
able
to
listen
to
what's
going
on
part
of
our
presentation
today.
E
We
have
tried
to
bridge
that
gap
between
law
enforcement
and
the
minority
community,
because
the
minority
community
is
one
that
has
has
a
lack
lack
of
resources.
They
don't
always
get
the
same
type
of
service
as
other
areas
in
the
community.
So
that's
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
work
to
try
to
address.
We
have
a
template
that
president
obama's
21st
century
task
force-
I
mean
that's
the
template
for
all
police
departments
to
follow
it.
It
was
well
thought
out.
E
There
was
a
several
people,
a
lot
of
noble
members
who
participated
on
that
task
force
to
come
up
with
those
tenants,
and
then
all
we
have
to
do
is
put
those
processes
in
place
for
building
trust
and
legitimacy,
police
policy
oversight,
community,
policing
and
crime.
E
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
can
be
done,
but
we
have
to
be
able
to
sit
down
and
talk
to
one
another
without
just
closing,
closing
down
and
not
having
an
open
dialogue,
and
I
know
that
there's
a
a
lot
of
outrage
about
an
arrest
that
was
made
this
past
saturday
with
a
with
a
protester,
I'm
I'm
no
longer
in
law
enforcement,
but
I
spent
39
years
with
pittsburgh
in
four
years
with
allegheny
county.
E
What
occurred
at
that
particular
incident.
The
specific
details-
I
I
don't
know,
I
know
that
chief
bigger
staff
can't
really
even
talk
about
it,
because
there's
a
possibility
of
litigation
or
a
no
an
open
investigation.
So
I
know
that
sometimes
things
happen.
So
quickly
that
you,
you
utilize
the
resources
that
you
have
available
at
the
time
to
try
to
de-escalate
a
situation
before
it
gets
out
of
hand.
E
I
don't
know
the
particulars
about
that
particular
case,
but
just
thinking
that
if
I
was
still
on
the
force-
and
there
was
an
emerging
situation
and
we
wanted
to
de-escalate
it
first
thing
that
we
would
do
is
try
to
get
in
remove
the
problem
and
get
out
of
the
area
and
try
to
talk
to
individuals
there.
So,
as
I
said,
I
don't
know
exactly
what
happened,
but
you
need
the
police
and
the
police
need
you,
the
community.
I
mean
we
have
to
work
together.
There's
there's
no
them
against
us
that
mentality.
E
That
was
back
back
in
the
in
the
in
the
late
70s
60s
50s
them
against
us
mentality.
It's
all
of
us
that
are
in
this
together
now
and
we
really
have
to
learn
how
to
work
together.
Dr
mcmillan
talked
about
that
guardian
mentality.
E
You
have
to
have
a
warrior's
heart.
You
have
to
be
able
to
the
troubles
over
there.
You
have
to
be
able
to
run
over
there
and
not
run
the
opposite
way,
so
you
need
that
that
that
warrior's
heart,
but
the
guardian
mentality,
is
that
that
whole
protect
and
serve,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
when
I
was
in
law
enforcement,
both
with
the
city
of
allegheny,
is
that
service
that
service?
That's
the
a
missing
piece.
Yes,
we
protect,
and
sometimes
in
our
effort
to
protect,
you
know
we
utilize.
E
What
we
think
is
the
right
tactic.
What
is
the
right
thing
to
do,
but
we
haven't
really
necessarily
engaged
the
community
to
say
what
you
think.
I
remember
when
I
was
a
zone
5
commander
when
I
was
assistant
chief
of
operations
at
home.
We
would
have
this
was
kind
of
like
during
the
the
gang
area
era
and
we
would
have
a
rash
of
homicides
and
shooting
and
violence
in
a
particular
area.
The
first
thing
that
we
thought
of
to
address
that
that
issue
to
put
a
stop
to
it.
E
We
call
it
a
zero
tolerance,
zero
tolerance.
We
thought
that
was
the
solution,
bring
everything
that
we
had
cars
from
different
zones,
the
swat
trucks,
the
cycles.
You
know
to
go
in
flood
that
area
and
quell
the
violence
that
was
going
on.
Okay,
that
was
the
police
talking
to
the
police,
and
we
thought
that
that
was
the
the
the
thing
to
do,
but
it
wasn't
the
the
the
bad
guys,
the
the
criminal
element.
E
You
know
it's,
it's
almost
like
they
say
hey
here,
they
come,
let's
look,
that's
they
know,
and
so
who
we
were
impacting
was
the
the
civilians
who
lived
in
that
area.
The
people
that
was
going
back
and
forth
to
work
their
cars
might
have.
The
registrations
might
have
been
bad.
You
know
the
inspection
sticker's
bad,
that's
who
we
were
stopping
in
traffic
stops,
that's
who
we
were
impacting
and
the
the
the
criminal
element
knew
we
couldn't
keep
that
up,
but
for
so
long
there
might
be
a
week
two
weeks
at
the
most.
E
We
could
keep
that
strategy
up
and
as
soon
as
we
had
to
pull
out
then
then
they
came
back
out
and
kept
the
whole
thing
going.
We
have
to
communicate
with
the
with
the
community
and
we
have
to
listen
sometimes
because
we
have
our
stats.
We
have
our
our
forms
and
graphs
and
everything
we
think
we
have
the
answers
and,
and
we
we
don't
always
we
don't
always.
E
We
need
that
community
input,
and
I
just
I
just
want
to
say
that,
in
order
for
police
reform
to
work,
we
have
to
be
able
to
sit
down
in
a
room
we're
on
zoom
or
whatever
and
and
dialogue
and
listen
to
to
one
another.
I
remember
when
the
us
attorney
had
his
community
police
task
force,
dr
harris
tim,
if
you're
on
there,
you
know,
because
we
sat
across
that
table
when
that
first
initiated
it
I
mean
it
was
we
were,
you
know,
back
and
forth.
E
You
know
they
were
talking
back
by
johnny
gammage
days
and
and
things
it
was
almost
like
a
hatred
in
the
room,
because
everything
that
was
inside
just
came
out
on
the
table,
but
we
had
to
go
through
that.
We
had
to
go
through
that
in
order
to
move
to
the
to
the
next
level.
So
sometimes
you
got
to
get
all
that
out.
Have
honest,
frank
dialogue,
you
know,
if
you
talk
about
is,
is
pittsburgh
a
racist
city?
E
You
know,
there's
a
lot
that
has
to
change,
but
we
have
to
work
together
and
that
cooperation
has
got
to
be
on
on
both
sides,
and
so
with
that,
I
think
I
will
turn
it
back
over
to
dr
bullock.
A
So
we
will
now
turn
it
over
to
members
of
the
task
force
to
ask
questions
as
a
reminder.
If
you
have
a
question
so
that
we
can
keep
it
in
order
that
you
would
use
your
hand,
raise
button
to
be
acknowledged,
and
I
will
call
on
you
as
soon
as
the
recognition
comes.
A
I
see
tim
has
a
hand
he's
not
using
his
electronic
hand,
but
no
one
else
is
raised.
Tim.
C
So,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
our
guests
for
speaking
with
us
today.
I
really
appreciate
you
letting
us
know
more
about
what
it
is
that
your
organization
does,
and
also
speaking
about
your
perception
of
law
enforcement
and
just
like
miss
bryant
said
I
do
recall
homewood
of
the
early
90s.
I
lived
there
on
hamilton
and
I
do
remember
zone
5
police
department
and
different
community
initiatives.
C
C
The
actions
that
were
done
this
weekend
on
that
protester
undermines
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we're
all
trying
to
do.
It
undermines
a
lot
of
what
we're
speaking
about,
and
I
think
it's
also
very
important
to
mention
that
this
protester
was
not
a
person
of
color.
He
was
a
young
white
man
on
a
bike,
so
I
just
encourage
all
of
us
when
we're
talking
today
to
remember
that
the
public
is
not
privy
to
this
unless
they're
tuning
in
and
listening.
C
The
only
thing
that
they're
going
to
hear
or
see
is
that
a
person
went
up
to
a
van
in
an
unmarked
van
with
plain
clothes.
Police
officers
pointed
assault
rifles
and
picked.
This
person
up.
Everyone
is
on
edge
and
has
a
lot
of
fear
that
we
are
nearing
another
portland
oregon
situation
here
in
pittsburgh,
and
we
have
to
address
that,
have
the
plain
language
and
how
that's
going
to
be
handled
and
prevented.
I
do
not
know
what
current
practice
is
that
allows
this
to
be
a
thing,
but
it
needs
to
stop.
C
There's
no
reason
why
someone
anyone
should
be
picked
up
while
they're
protesting
in
an
unmarked
van
by
armed
police
officers,
whomever
it
may
be,
because
not
only
does
it
send
the
message
of
you
know
you
have
the
right
to
protest
or
or
to
be
heard,
but
only
to
a
certain
extent,
but
it
also
it
now
we've
gone
backwards.
We've
lost
public
trust.
C
C
We
have
a
common
one,
and
a
huge
part
of
that
enemy
is,
is
a
lack
of
understanding
and
a
lack
of
trust,
and
the
only
way
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
fix
that
is
through,
what's
currently
happening
right
now
and
how
we
address
that
in
the
time
being
way
before
this
report
even
gets
finished.
So,
thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
time.
I
look
forward
to
hearing
what
you
have
to
say.
E
So
I
think
that
that
should
not
be
it,
but
because
of
one
incident
or
or
or
because
of
a
negative
incident
or
outcome,
don't
stop
working
find
out
what
happened
you
know
and
and
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
happen
again,
I'm
on
the
outside
now,
but
I
can
almost
guarantee
you
you're
not
going
to
see
any
white
fans
coming
up,
putting
anybody
in
taking
them
off
at
a
protest
now,
as
I
mentioned
before,
that
might
have
been
an
escalating
situation
and
there
would
there
were
no
marked
units
close
by
I'm,
not
sure,
but
I
would
like
to
think
that
that
was
an
escalating
situation
and
that's
what
the
those
on
scene
at
the
time
felt
was
the
best
course
of
action
to
de-escalate
something
further
happening.
E
So,
but
don't
don't
throw
it
all
out.
You
know,
because,
okay
look
what
they
did,
look
what
they
did
over
there
fix
it
fix
it.
You
have
to
dialogue,
you
have
to
work
together,
it's
cooperation
on
both
sides.
If,
if
something
happened
in
the
in
the
police
department
and
so
hook,
the
chief
chief,
what's
up
what's
going
on,
you
know
what
I
mean
you
want
answers,
but
a
specific
case.
E
I
can
tell
you
now:
the
city
has
a
law
department
and
they'll
say
you
know
what
I
mean,
because
they
got
out
big
bucks,
so
some
things
that
they
can't
talk
about,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
they
don't
recognize.
Oh,
oh,
the
community
didn't
like
this
one.
We
gotta
fix
it.
I
can
almost
guarantee
you.
You
won't
see
that
again.
E
You
know
I
can
almost
guarantee
you
and
I'm
not
there,
because
I
know
if
I
would
have
been
there
all
the
chiefs
would
have
been
called
to
a
meeting.
What
what
happened?
What
what
you
know?
Why
do
we
do
this
blah
blah
blah?
So
don't
stop
working,
don't
this
task
force,
I
I
I
commend
the
mayor
for
putting
it
together.
E
E
E
It
was
1998
when
I
joined
noble
and
it
wasn't
until
I
left
pittsburgh
and
started
attending
those
noble
conf
conferences
all
over
town
and
I
was
seeing
blacks
in
law
enforcement.
I
mean
chiefs
and
directors
and
they
were
running
things
and
that
I
built
up
my
confidence
because
I
think
pittsburgh
sometimes
they'll
put
you
in
a
box
and
as
soon
as
you
try
to
get
out
of
that
bus,
they
shove
you
back
down
in
there,
but
you
have
to
have
your
own
self-confidence.
E
There's
a
lot
of
police
officers,
black
white
hispanic
on
pittsburgh,
police,
allegheny,
county
police
who,
as
chief
vicar,
says
baker
staff,
said
it's
a
calling.
It's
not
it's
not
about
the
paycheck
and
there's
a
lot
of
officers
who
it
is
about
the
paycheck.
You
know
what
I
mean,
but
there's
good
and
bad.
That's
why?
I
always
believe
that
you
have
to
have
strong
leadership
and
you
have
to
have
supervision.
E
You
know,
because
you
can
you
put
it's
like
your
kids,
you
send
them
outside.
You
told
them
what
they
can
do,
what
they
can't
do,
but
if
they
think
you're
not
watching
they're
going
to
do
what
they
want
to
do
so
strong
supervision
and
good
leadership,
strong
leadership.
So
that's
where
it
comes
to
where
this
task
force.
Yes,
you're
effective.
E
You
know
because
you're
listening
you're
listening
to
a
wide
array
of
people,
you
know
what
I
mean
you're,
going
to
come
up
with
some
solutions:
you're
going
to
come
up
with
some
initiatives,
you're
going
to
present
them
to
the
mayor
and
he's
going
to
send
something
out,
saying:
okay,
do
it
find
a
way
to
do
it,
get
it
done,
but
you
have
to
collaborate.
Both
sides.
F
B
You
I
just
have
a
couple
to
professor
linda
williams.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
kicking
this
off.
You
had
just
went
right
down
there
with
the
all
of
the
initiatives
that
noble
has
taken
a
stance
on.
Is
it
possible
for
you
to
share
that
document,
so
we
can
post
that
as
part
of
our.
F
Document
list,
absolutely
that
was
a
continuation
from
the
prior
president
and,
of
course,
continuing
on
in
that
legislation.
I
would
be
happy
to
share
with
you
I'll
make
sure
marita
president
whisper
a
habit.
Thank.
B
You
because
it
really
did
hit
on
many
of
the
very
important
points,
the
lavoni
or,
I
should
say,
assistant
chief
bricker
staff.
Would
you
possibly
be
able
to
share?
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
cause,
there's
so
many
dog-on
documents
and
stuff
on
our
portal?
Who
knows,
but
if
it
hasn't,
can
you
share
all
of
the
the
listing
of
all
the
initiatives
that
that
you
oversee
as
far
as
being
undertaken
within
the
police
bureau
that
you
mentioned.
B
L
B
I
would
like
to
have
the
the
full
task
force
to
just
to
be
able
to
talk
about
things
that
are
concerning,
and
particularly
the
most
recent
incident
to
assistant
chief
bigger
staff.
I
know
you
are
not
at
liberty
because
of
possible
litigation,
investigation,
etc,
and
I'm
sure
all
of
us
task
force
members
understand
that
is
there
anything
that
you
can
give
us
as
far
as
an
update.
That
would
be
an
update
to
what
the
mayor
has
already
put
out
there
and
I'm
just
glad
that
he
shared
believe
me.
B
I
I
understand
he
was
livid
in
very
livid,
so
didn't
come
out
until
sunday,
but
can
you
share
anything
in
addition
to
what
has
already
been
out
there.
B
B
It
was,
I
don't
know
if
it
was.
I
just
know
it
came
out.
It
may
have
been
yesterday,
but
he
did
say
that
he
was
not
very
happy
at
all.
In
fact
he
used
the
word
livid
to
to
emphasize
his
degree
of
disappointment
and
what
happened,
and
he
indicated
that
this
would
never
ever
happen
again.
It
will
be
under
further
investigation,
but
that
is
his
public
statement.
I
do
know
we
need
tim.
B
I
I
asked
the
mayor's
office
staff
to
share
that
with
all
the
task
force
members
you
have
it
in
your.
B
After
we
finish
up
with
everyone's
hands
raised
and
questions,
I
would
that's
when
we
can
talk
about
that
further.
There
was
something
else,
but
who
knows,
I
forget
better.
O
Thank
you
all
for
for
your
presentations
this
evening.
It
was
a
great
pleasure
to
hear
you
and
a
great
pleasure
to
see
folks.
I've
had
the
privilege
of
interacting
with
before
chief
bryant
assistant
chief
bickerstaff
ted.
I
I
want
to
direct
my
question,
particularly
to
assistant
chief
bickerstein,
one
thing
that
you
said
that
really
caught
my
attention
when
you're
talking
about
the
group
violence,
initiative,
intervention.
Excuse
me,
you
called
that
the
most
successful
thing
going
on
now.
O
If
I
wrote
that
down
right,
a
most
successful
intervention,
we've
had,
and
you
credited
that,
with
a
drop
in
crime
of
30
percent,
which
is
pretty
extraordinary.
I've
heard
about
this,
of
course,
and
I
think
it
was
the
subject
of
one
of
the
recent
city
council
laws
that
was
passed.
I'd
like
it.
If
you
could
talk
some
about
how
that
works,
who
who
runs
it?
What
is
the
role
if
any
of
the
police
department,
because
that
sounds
like
something
if
it's
that
effective
that
we
want
to?
L
You
very
much
sure
a
group
violence
intervention
is
an
initiative
that
actually
is
part
of
21st
century
policing.
L
We
started
that
back
and
I
want
to
say
back
in
2015
and
it
primarily
focuses
focuses
in
on
all
of
our
non-violent,
I
shouldn't
say
not
violent,
but
our
non-fatal
shootings
and
we
have
a
group
of
outreach
workers
they're
like
a
conduit
to
us
before
before
covet
19.
Of
course,
we
were
at
the
hospital
a
lot,
but
right
now
we've
kind
of
slowed
down
a
bit,
but
the
outreach
workers
meet
the
young
men
where
they
are.
They
offer
them
resources.
L
We
have.
We
have
custom
notifications
where
we
actually
talk
to
the
young
men
to
see
exactly
what
their
needs
are.
We
work
with
probation
and
parole
and,
of
course,
we
work
with
other
federal
agencies,
but
primarily
our
our
focus
is
that
we
want
you
to
stay
out
of
jail,
stay
alive
and
any
type
of
resources
that
we
can
provide
to
help
mend
the
gap.
We
want
to
be
there
to
provide
it.
We
have
a
lot
of
outreach
workers
that
are
in
the
communities
we
used
to
have
them.
L
We
haven't
had
any
celebrations
this
year,
like
the
fourth
of
july,
but
generally
when
the
young
people
are
downtown.
We
have
outreach
workers
with
us
so
that
they
can
actually
be
that
connecting
factor
and
we
don't
have
to
use
the
police.
We
can
talk
to
the
young
people,
keep
them
safe.
So
basically,
our
group
violence,
intervention
initiative
is
the
police
and
these
young
outreach
workers
working
together
to
mend
the
gap
or
to
be
a
conduit
to
keep
the
violence
down.
So
we
have
been,
we've
met
with
a
lot
of
success.
O
A
P
Yes,
thank
you
so
patricia
made
one
of
my
comments
in
terms
of
addressing
the
the
issue
that
happened
this
weekend,
the
for
the
group.
We
have
what
we're
what
we've
referred
to
as
the
unbundling
subcommittee.
So
as
we
address
this
completely
between
where
we
are
now-
and
you
know
like
a
complete
defunding
versus
abolishment,
there
is
a
police
there's.
You
know
somewhere
else
where
it's
like.
Do
we
look
at
ways
that
we
can
have
activities
and
responsibilities
that
police
are
taking
on
now
that
could
be
potentially
diverted
to
other
groups.
P
So,
for
example,
looking
at
9-1-1
calls
and
seeing
whether
there
are
options
for
non
what
is
initiated
as
a
calls
non-criminal
be
able
to
go
to
some
type
of
outreach
worker
or
a
human
services
social
service
agency,
so
just
wanted
to
reach
out
to
the
group
of
noble
representatives
that
are
here
just
to
get
some
initial
reactions
on
that
type
of
approach,
as
it
relates
to
unbundling
and
looking
at
different
ways.
I
That
that,
for
me,
would
be
one
of
the
reasons
that
there
needs
to
be
some
collaboration,
because
I'm
not
certain
what
kind
of
call
would
be
made
where
you
would
not
send
law
enforcement
if
it
was
if
it
was
law
enforcement
based.
G
I
G
G
They
actually
started
a
program
back
in
the
90s
and
unfortunately,
was
defunded
by
the
city
council,
where,
on
certain
calls
for
service,
the
police
and
social
services
actually
went
to
the
house
and
when
it
was
determined
that
it
was
safe
for
social
services
to
engage,
they
got
involved
because
a
lot
of
these
issues
on
the
calls
for
service,
they
were
really
areas
that
which
are
the
heart
and
fabric
of
the
social,
economic
condition
of
that
family
and
other
things
and
you're.
G
Seeing
several
models
around
the
country
where
departments
are
in
fact
starting
to
look
at
revisiting
those
types
of
approaches.
As
this
conversation
is
occurring
relative
to
transforming
and
reforming
and
reimagining
policing
in
the
united
states.
So
that
might
be
an
area
that
you
might
want
to
delve
into
looking
to
see
how
you
have
social
services,
whether
it's
for
mental
health
issues
or
or
just
the
issues
within
that
family
on
being
addressing
the
situation
not
necessarily
singularly
by
the
police
department.
E
Thank
you.
There
are
initiatives
that
are
already
starting
here
in
allegheny
county,
and
I
know
that
the
department
of
human
services
are
starting
to
look
at
how
they
can
address
it
too.
There
used
to
be
a
pilot
program
in
zone
one
it
had
to
be
in
the
in
the
mid
2000s,
where
there
was
a
social
service
advocate
or
worker
who
was
housed
in
zone
one
police
station
and
she
would
respond
to
to
certain
calls
with
police
or
the
police
would
refer,
give
her
referrals
to
do
a
follow
up
on
on
certain
calls.
E
I
think
that
initiative
will
work,
whether
it's
with
mental
health
or
whether
it's
with
dealing
with
substance,
abuse
or
something
like
that
having
a
civilian
counterpart,
who
has
a
expertise
in
that
particular
area,
because,
right
now,
police
have
to
do
everything.
The
call
comes
in
every
regardless
of
what
what's
going
on
you're
you're
supposed
to
go
there
and
solve
the
problem
for
for
the
people
and
sometimes
you're.
E
Just
you
know,
you're
you're,
not
equipped
with
everything
you
need
to
help
that
individual
you
may
be
able
to
put
a
band-aid
on
it
or
something
like
that.
I
do
believe
that
civilians,
especially
specialized
workers,
can
work
with
the
police
and
respond
to
calls,
but
there
has
to
be
a
process
in
place.
There
has
to
be
training,
I
think
where
it
will
initiate
mostly
is
through
the
911
call
dispatcher
receiving
that
call,
and
it
almost
has
to
be
something
where
you're
simultaneously
connecting
to
this
person
and
the
police.
E
I
think
just
like
now,
if
the
medics
receive
a
call
and
there's
like
a
shooting
or
something
like
that,
the
medics
may
lay
back
a
little
bit
until
the
police
go
in
and
clear
the
scene
and
then
the
medics
can
come
in
it's
all.
It's
almost
like
on
that
same
principle,
which
I
don't
think
that
you
can.
You
have
like
a
a
mental
health,
call
that
you
can
just
send
a
mental
health
worker
there
without
some
police
response.
You
know
what
I
mean.
E
Maybe
the
police
laid
back
until
they
get
there,
but
the
police
have
to
be
nearby
in
case
that
that
call
becomes
violent
so
that
they
have
a
backup
right
there
with
them
or
they
respond
together.
But
those
discussions
are
taking
place.
I
know
with
department
of
human
services,
the
health
department
everybody's
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
do
this
better
and
it's
like
the
a
police
officer
coming
out
straight
out.
E
C
C
Could
it
be
that
maybe
what
we're
missing
here
is
that
what
we
need
are
specialized
police
police
officers
who
have
special
training
in
which
that
is
their
job.
There's
an
officer
that
they
only
do.
Mental
health
calls
there's
an
officer
that
they
go
strictly
to
calls
where
there
is
an
overdose
and
they're
working
directly
with
these
specialized
civilians.
Who
have
these
credentials
that,
maybe
that's
that's?
What
we're
missing
is
we're
we're
not
thinking
about
how
we
can
specialize
police
officers
into
certain
roles
that
they
would
be
equipped
to
do
a
blend
of
a
job.
E
There's
there's
certain
officers
who
have
specialized
training.
It's
cit
stands
for
crisis
intervention
training,
but
to
deal
with
mental
health
situations.
You
know,
but
you
only
have
so
many
officers
and
the
over
abundance
of
calls.
You
can
be
pulled
from
from
one
to
another,
having
civilian
assist,
just
kind
of
takes
the
burden
off
the
police
department,
because
you
can't
have
a
lot
of
specialized
officers
that
that's
all
they
do
and
you
have
all
hell
breaking
out
over
here.
A
N
Q
N
G
G
There's
communication,
there's
conversation,
you
look
around
the
country
and
there's
some
calling
for
pulling
police
out
of
schools
as
sros
and
things
of
that
nature.
Frankly,
there's
some
value
in
having
youth
engage
positively
with
police
in
schools
to
develop
trust,
but
that's
not
to
the
extent
of
using
an
sro
as
a
de
facto
vice
principal
or
advice.
You
know
within
that
school
to
handle
truancy
issues
to
handle
bad
conduct
of
of
a
fourth
grade,
or
something
like
that
is
to
have
positive
engagement.
G
So
when
you're
looking
at
building
trust
and
legitimacy,
even
through
the
lens
of
the
21st
century,
policing
report,
it's
about
ongoing,
sustained
engagement,
it
can't
be
drive
by
it
can
be
a
flash
in
the
pan
where
you
have
an
initiate
of
the
day
and
now
next
week
you
don't
have
that
initiative
or
you're
rotating
p.
You
develop
trust
through
communications.
G
So
while
it
may
seem
somewhat
conceptual
that
this
concept
of
developing
trust
and
legitimacy
legitimacy
is
through
procedural
justice,
the
community
needs
to
understand
that
the
way
they're
being
treated
in
one
section
of
the
city
is
the
same
that
they
would
if
they
lived
on
the
other
side
of
town.
G
So
it's
it's
through
your
actions,
it's
through
it's
it's
through
you
as
a
as
a
community
like
they
did
in
the
illumination
project
in
charleston,
south
carolina
come
together,
say:
okay,
we've
got
these
different
polarities
here,
but
we
can
in
fact
come
to
the
table
and
say
there's
certain
things.
G
Are
there
police
officers
or
or
persons
in
the
profession,
doing
things
they
should
not
absolutely,
and
those
are
the
guys
you
want
to
identify
through
a
variety
of
techniques,
early
warning
system,
things
like
that
to
get
them
off
the
job
because
the
longer
they
stay
there,
the
worse,
it's
going
to
be
from
a
trust
and
legitimacy
perspective.
G
G
The
blueprint
was
there,
but
they
kind
of
stepped
away
from
it,
and
and
that's
the
unfortunate
thing
so
the
policing
will
will
do
no
more
or
no
less
than
you
the
community
directed
to
do.
You
are
the
ones
that
decide
the
laws
within
your
communities.
If
you
don't
want
chokeholds,
you
can
control
that
right
now.
I
I
We're
also
needing
is
recruitment
in
the
community.
We
need
to
have
more
youth
who
are
interested
in
coming
into
law
enforcement.
That
know
the
community
that
are
trusted
in
the
community.
It's
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
have
someone
who
lives
in
mount
washington,
or
even
you
know
some
some
far-reaching
community
in
allegheny
county
continuing
to
come
into
homewood
into
wilkinsburg
into
the
north
side
and
in
that
trust,
be
there.
So
we
there
has
to
be
a
full
court
press
on
recruiting
youth
and
and
having
them
interested
in
coming
into
law
enforcement.
N
Since
I'm
on
recruitment,
what
specific
ideas
ted
can
we
really
use
to
get
recruitment
of
african
americans
with
the
negative
image
that
so
many
of
our
young
people
have
and
adults
for
that
matter
of
police?
Today,
let's
be
honest,
it's
not
the
greatest
moment
of
image
between
the
police
and
the
community
or
of
the
police
by
the
community.
Yeah.
I
Part
of
it
is,
I
know
that
in
westinghouse
they
have
a
it's
almost
like
rotc
for
firefighters.
I
think
we
have
to
go
in
and
there
has
to
be
law,
enforcement,
clubs
or
social
work
clubs
and
they
have
to
start
early
and
you
have
to
take
them
and
give
them
some
experience.
The
good
experiences
about
being
law
enforcement.
You
have
to
connect
them
to
law
enforcement
and
you
have
to
show
them
the
parts
of
law
enforcement
that
they
don't
see.
I
They
have
to
be
able
to
to
develop
a
relationship
with
those
police
officers
who
are
very,
very
interested
in
and
then
also
connecting
them
with
other
law
enforcement
personnel
who
come
from
that
from
that
area,
though
that's
how
you're
doing
recruitment-
and
it
has
to
be
ongoing,
like
joe
said,
with
richmond
the
problem
we
have
is
inconsistency.
I
We
have
good
ideas
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
the
money
goes
away
or
another
power
party
comes
in
and
they
don't
think
it's
necessary
or
they
don't
like
that,
so
it
so
it
disappears.
Children
are
so
used
to
being
disappointed
and
we
have
to
be
consistent.
This
cannot
be
a
one
day.
A
one
year
program
you
have
to
raise
them
in
that
kind
of
atmosphere.
G
G
But
now
you
want
the
right
people
leading
that
law
enforcement
explorer
program
that
embraced
the
tenets
of
community
policing
that
embraced
the
tenets
of
21st
century
policing.
But
what
better
idea
to
have
a
young
youth
from
high
school
to
college
that
says?
Okay,
you
know
yeah!
I
do.
I
want
this
as
an
as
a
discipline
that
I
want
to
go
into
for
life
to
do
and
again
as
as
the
former
vice
president
binay
said
when
he
was
in
office.
Show
me
where
your
money
is
show
me
your
budget
I'll,
tell
you
what's
important
to
you.
G
If
it's
not
in
your
budget,
it's
not
important
to
you.
So,
to
the
extent
these
initiatives
and
these
types
of
things
are
funded
to
develop,
to
do
the
recruitment
that
we're
talking.
That
ted
was
speaking
about
that,
I'm
speaking
about
that's
where
the
rubber
meets
the
road.
E
I
don't
know
how
I
forgot
to
mention
it:
noble
has
collegiate
chapters
throughout
our
organization,
and
these
are
noble
chapters
where
students
have
their
own
executive
board
and
they
do
many
of
the
same
things
that
we
do
at
our
local
chapters
that
those
collegiate
chapters
are
throughout
the
organization
and
we're
trying
to
get
one
started
at
cal.
U
university.
Our
very
first
collegiate
chapter
was.
C
N
A
Q
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
your
presentation.
I
appreciate
it
so
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
that
is
really
needed,
especially
because
of
the
environment.
Right
now
my
phone
has
been
blowing
up
all
day.
Q
It's
about
transparency
and-
and
I
heard
levonny
saying
I
understand
that
it's
still
being
investigated,
but
due
to
the
environment,
you
know
there
has
to
be
something
said
you
know
about
what
happened
with
this
event.
This
weekend
I
mean
the
community
is,
is
limited,
it's
livid
about.
Q
You
know
something
being
done
and
just
because
of
us
being
on
this
task
force,
you
know
people
really
want
to
see.
If
we
really
got
any
legs,
I
mean
there's
something
that
is
going
to
have
to
become
that
we
have
to
say
at
the
coming
out
of
this
meeting.
You
know
that
the
public
really
wants
to
hear.
You
know
what
I
mean.
N
Q
You
know
and
and
look
I
believe
in
everything
that
that
y'all
have
said,
the
collaboration
is
so
important,
all
the
different
programs
that
the
city
of
pittsburgh
has
right
now
and
the
outreach
workers
all
the
different
things
that
they're
doing
and
stuff
like
that.
But
you
know
it
is
really
important
that
this
transparency,
you
know,
be
really.
You
know
people
want
to
hear
it.
People
want
to
see
it.
E
And
you're
you're
you're
correct
richard
transparency
is
key.
I
remember
years
ago
it
was
always
no
comment,
it
was
a
shooting
or
something
happened.
It
was
no
comment,
but
I
think
that
has
changed
a
little
bit.
I
thought
someone
did
come
out
and
speak.
Maybe
it
was.
It
was
the
mayor
who
did
a
statement,
but
I
never
know
I
saw
chief
schubert
on
one
of
the
one
of
the
news
channels,
but
transparency.
Yes,
it
is
key.
You
you
need.
The
community
wants
to
know
what
happened.
Why
did
you
do
that?
E
You
know
what
I
mean,
so
I
know
that
they
they
want
to
know
and
and
hopefully,
in
some
type
of
framework.
Some
statements
will
be
made.
Q
You
know
so
that
our
young
people
can
get
into
to
this
law
enforcement.
You
know.
E
Q
E
A
lot
of
times
when
we
go
out
and
we
have
the
law
and
your
community
presentations,
we
get
more
questions
from
the
adults
than
we
do
from
the
kids,
because
they're
talking
about
things
that
happened
to
them
20
years
ago,
but
it's
it's
it's
something
that
they
never
cleared
up.
Nobody
ever
explained
it.
Why
did
this
happen?
To
me?
You
know
was
this
right
when
they
did
this?
Was
that
right?
You
know
so
it
that
dialogue
is
so
important
and
sometimes
just
having
listening
sessions.
E
I
I
I
We
don't
want
to
be
there
really
by
the
end
of
that
day,
when
you
had
police
officers,
even
the
old
guard
sitting
down
with
a
young
kid
having
dialogue
and
having
conversation,
it
was
really
I
was
impressed
because
at
the
beginning
of
the
day,
this
is
a
waste
of
time,
but
it
wasn't.
But
those
are
the
things
that
that
need
to
be
done.
I
Wilkinsburg
does
a
police
academy
and
a
couple
of
mad
dads
and
some
friends
of
mine
have
gone
through
that
police
academy,
where
they
understand
now
from
the
lens
of
a
law
enforcement
person.
What
it's
like
to
go
out?
What
is
what
they're
thinking
every
day
that
they
put
that
uniform
on
and
go
into
the
community,
not
knowing
what
they're
going
to
be.
I
I
think
that
that
kind
of
understanding,
those
kinds
of
of
meetings
and
getting
together
bring
more
of
an
understanding
on
both
sides
where
there
is
dialogue
and
again
that
takes
people
sitting
down
and
not
pointing
fingers,
but
really
trying
to
understand.
What's
going
on
on
both
sides
as
a
perfect
opportunity,.
L
Hey
ted
that
program
you
were
speaking
about
was
a
dmc
disproportionate
minority
contact,
and
the
city
of
pittsburgh
does
have
a
youth,
young
persons
or
young
people's
citizens
police
academy
and
an
adult
citizens
police
academy.
So
we
definitely
have
both
of
those
programmings
and
the
dmc.
I
think
they
discontinued
that
initiative
spending
the
money.
N
Q
I'm
going
to
a
program
in
wilkinsburg
with
liz
miller,
is
doing
pittsburgh
study
with
young
people,
but
there's
also
norm.
Conte
from
duquesne
university
is
going
into
the
penitentiary
inside
out
with
police
officers,
volunteering
to
go
inside
the
penitentiary
and
talk
to
guys
trying
to
develop
a
relationship,
and
it's
been
good.
It's
been
good,
so
so
I'm
not
here
to
to
bash
the
police.
I
mean
there's
some
different
things.
Q
L
Hey
richard,
we,
you
know
we
are
part
of
that
in
and
out
program
at
duquesne
that
goes
into
the
goes
into
the
jail,
so
we
definitely
participate
in
that
initiative.
Also.
L
B
Interrupt,
but
can
you
lavon,
can
you
please
find
out
who
developed
the
curriculum
in
the
schools
as
far
as
the
public
safety
curriculum,
which
is
kind
of
very
broad?
It's
not
really
focused
on
police,
as
I'd
like
it
to
be,
can
you
find
out
who
developed
the
curriculum
with
the
pittsburgh
schools
and
has
there
ever
been
a
review
or
a
assessment
about
effectiveness?
That's
all.
Thank
you.
L
Are
you
talking
about
this?
Are
you
talking
about
the
citizens
police
academy
for
the
young
people?
You
know
I'm
talking
about
both.
B
N
B
Pam
we
have,
we
have
other
people
that
have
had
their
hands
raised
for
a
while.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
get
them
in.
R
Thank
you,
dr
bullock,
and
thank
you
to
everyone
who
presented
today.
It's
very
much
appreciated.
My
question
is
directed
towards
assistant
chief
bickerstaff
and
others,
maybe
feel
free
to
jump
in
as
well
with
your
perspectives.
But
the
first
part
of
my
question
is
you
know
we
are
emphasizing
change
in
culture
at
the
police
at
the
pbp
in
order
to
really
affect
change
right,
you
need
more
adoption
of
this
guardian
model
versus
this
current
warrior
model
with
frontline.
You
know
rank
and
file
officers.
R
My
question
the
first
part
of
my
question
is:
what
are
the
biggest
hurdles
that
you
see
from
your
perspective
in
terms
of
adoption
of
that
cultural
change,
adoption
of
the
guardian
model
versus
the
warrior
model
with
rank
and
file
officers,
and
then
the
second
part
of
my
question
is
when
it
comes
to
implementing
this
change.
R
Culturally,
I
tend
to
be
a
big
believer
that
to
implement
cultural
change,
it
needs
to
come
from
the
top
and
you
need
to
set
the
example
with
leadership,
and
so
the
second
part
of
my
question
is:
how
do
we
reconcile
adoption
of
this
guardian
model
versus
the
warrior
model
within
pbp,
when
we
have
examples
such
as
what
occurred
this
past
weekend,
that
wasn't
really
a
commensurate
response
of
in
terms
of
from
the
police
force
versus
the
threat
that
was
posed
to
begin
with,
and
I
I
get
the
sense
that
we
talk
about
again.
R
When
we
see
a
response
like
that
to
me,
it
says
that
there's
a
policy
in
place
that
there
is
more
of
a
a
a
a
use
of
force,
if
you
will
then
is
warranted.
Given
this
was
a
peaceful
protest,
I
mean
we
saw
assault
rifles,
we
saw
unmarked
vehicles
and
so
forth,
and
so
I'm
trying
to
understand
how
we
can
reconcile
that
and
I
I
to
be
fair
assistant,
chief
picker
staff.
I
would
like
to
ask
these
questions
at
some
point
of
chief
schubert
as
well
so,
but
you
happen
to
be
here
today
so.
L
I
okay,
I
get
you
you.
You
asked
me
about
four
questions,
so
I'm
gonna
try
to
just
kind
of
address
each
one
of
them,
as
I
remember
them.
First
of
all,
you're
talking
about
a
cultural
shift
or
cultural
change
and
how
you
implement.
That
is,
like
you
said,
from
the
top
down,
but
you
also
have
to
get
with
those
informal
leaders.
L
Believe
me,
the
police
get
it.
We
want
to
be
better.
We
want
to
be
more
efficient.
We
want
to
be
more
responsive
to
the
communities
we
serve.
Not
only
is
it
because
we
want
to
we
value
that
partnership,
but
we
understand
that
that's
how
we
become
effective
and
it's
very
easy
when
you
have
cooperation
to
solve
issues
opposed
to
when
you
have
opposition.
So
of
course
we
top
down
that
warrior
mentality
versus
the
guardianship.
L
The
guardianship
is
always
more
effective,
informal
leaders
and
what
I
mean
by
informal
leaders,
the
people
in
the
zones-
they
don't
have
to
be
supervisors.
They
can
be
people
that
have
that
appeal.
The
appeal
that
makes
makes
you
want
to
ask
them
a
question,
because
you
feel
that
they're
knowledgeable.
So
that's
the
those
are
the
two
quintessential
points
we
have
to
have
a
top
down
and
we
have
to
have
this.
L
This
guardianship
mindset
permeate
in
the
zone
level
and
what
I
mean
by
that
the
sergeants
the
officers
who's
on
the
beat
the
officers
who
work
the
patrol
cars
they're,
the
ones
who
have
to
actually
make
sure
that
this
new
guardianship
way
of
thinking
is
actually
accepted.
So
it
is
a
cultural
shift
and
believe
me,
it
is
taking,
is,
is
actually
becoming
part
of
our
culture
day
by
day.
L
So
I
heard
some
very
profound
things
from
some
of
our
leaders
today,
as
they
spoke
of,
and
I'm
not
talking
about
commanders
and
lieutenants
and
assistant
chiefs.
I'm
talking
about
sergeants
and
the
officers
who's
been
on
the
job
for
a
while.
They
understand
how
important
it
is
to
that
mind,
shift
to
guardianship
versus
being
a
warrior
and
the
training,
of
course,.
D
Thank
you,
so
I'm
very
grateful
for
the
opportunity
just
to
let
the
guests
know
it's.
My
first
task
force
meeting
so
always
good
to
ask
a
question
at
the
first
one,
I'm
rabbi
ron
simons
from
the
jcc
of
greater
pittsburgh,
and
so
I've
been
in
deep
conversation
with
members
of
the
black
community,
who
have
educated
me
about
the
connection
between
the
beginning
of
the
u.s
police
force
and
those
wishing
to
capture
escaped
slaves.
D
G
From
a
historical
perspective,
the
slave
patrols,
there
there's
legitimacy,
there's
a
significant
amount
of
literature
out
there.
That
will
speak
to
that.
I
think
your
second
question
was
to
what
extent
and
how
noble
you
know.
I
I
think
we
do
it
because
we're
the
conscience
of
law
enforcement.
We
do
with
our
actions.
We
do
it
by
demonstrating,
as
our
president
stated,
what
we
stand
for,
what
we
don't
stand
for
and
when
we
engage
with
the
community
and
say
that's
not.
G
Why
we're
here
in
this
community
we're
here
to
be
a
part
of
the
community,
the
the
the
hardest
thing
you
can
break
down,
sometimes
are
belief
systems
and
and
and
and
and
that's
the
challenge
for
every
community,
not
just
where
you
are,
but
just
across
the
country
because,
like
you
said
you
can
have
one
incident
that
will
totally
erode
everything
that
you
work
so
hard
towards,
and
but
the
slave
patrols
were
how
african
americans
were
kept
in
line.
G
If
you
would
from
a
policing
standpoint
and-
and
so
there
is,
there's
sufficient
historical
support
for
for
what
actually
has
happened
up
through
the
30s
and
40s
to
a
large
degree.
F
If
I
may
add
in
a
collaboration
with
president
woodrow
and
dr
mcmillan,
of
course,
it
comes
back
that
we
have
to
acknowledge.
We
have
to
acknowledge
our
history,
we
have
to
acknowledge
the
you
have
to
acknowledge
it
before
you
can
even
overcome
it
and
it
starts
with
the
collaboration.
We
have
to
acknowledge
that
this
has
been
done
and,
of
course,
that's
our
history
and
where
we're
coming
for
today.
F
So
it's
hard
to
overcome
that
when
we
don't
address
that
and
of
course
we
are
part
of
those
communities
that
people
can
put
a
face,
that
people
can
see
that
we
are
the
people
that
you
know
our
church
members.
We
are
the
people
that
are
right
there
with
you,
and
so
we
try
to
give
it
a
positive
image,
but
it
takes
a
collaborative
effort
that
that
you
have
to
acknowledge
that
alone
has
been
done
and
then
just
move
forward
to
give
a
better
understanding
in
the
context
where
we
are
today
and
collaboratively.
F
F
And
it
starts
from
the
top
down
if
I
could
just
figure
back
just
a
couple
days
ago,
coming
out
the
gate,
I
had
a
conversation
with
a.g
barr,
where
he
said.
Systemic
racism
does
not
exist
in
law
enforcement.
F
No
we're
not
throwing
a
blanket
on
all
our,
of
course,
because
we
do
know
that
we've
changed
and
we've
come
a
long
ways,
but
how
can
the
very
top
of
our
of
our
country,
the
chief,
the
chief
officer
law
enforcement
officer,
even
denied
that
existence,
so
that
already
puts
us
at
a
disadvantage,
and
that
was
my
challenge.
I
challenge
you
to
see
it
differently,
just
because
one
has
not
experienced,
it
does
not
negate
its
existence,
and
so
again
it
comes
to
you
have
to
recognize
problems.
D
Well,
I'll
just
add
one
sentence
without
dominating
too
much.
I
think
that,
yes,
it's
true
that
that
has
to
happen
from
the
police
perspective,
but
I
can.
I
can't
even
imagine
what
it's
like
to
be:
a
resident,
a
black
resident
of
pittsburgh,
knowing
that
historical
truth
and
looking
at
police
and
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
today,
I
just
I
have
a
an
emotional
outpouring
for.
A
A
J
Oh
okay,
can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
you
know:
go
back
to
the
question
that
angela
was
asking
about
the
unbundling.
I
appreciate
dr
mcmillan.
Your
comments
about
the
you
know,
the
joint
response
with
police
and
mrs
bryant
that
we
can't
you
know
for
a
mental
health
crisis.
It
may
not
make
sense
to
send
in
mental
health
workers
without
stabilizing
the
area.
J
I
think
that's
really
appropriate
having
someone
that
has
a
lot
of
mental
health
individuals
in
my
in
my
area,
I
don't
feel
comfortable,
saying
that
they're
going
to
be
the
first
responders
on
mental
health
crisis,
but
and
and
in
terms
of
that
there
there
have
been
discussions,
but
there
are
activities
that
the
police
are
doing,
that
they
also
feel
they
should
not
be
responding
to.
So
maybe
not
a
specific
item
like
truancy,
but
can
you
maybe
can
someone
walk
us
through
a
process
of
how
we
can
identify
in
our
unbundling
committee?
J
E
Lavonnie,
maybe
you
can
answer
that,
one
of
course,
for
so
many
years,
we've
responded
to
to
all
of
it.
So
I'm
just
I'm
just
trying
to
to
think
of
an
example
a
lot
of
well
I
can.
This
is
one
a
lot
of
issues
in
the
schools
to
where
police
are
called
in
into
the
schools
to
address
things
once
the
police
are
there,
the
police
have
to
do
what
the
police
do.
E
Sometimes,
if
things
can
be
resolved
to
where
the
police
didn't
actually
have
to
come
in
that,
would
that
would
keep
that
child
from
either
going
to
to
schumann
or
being
sighted,
or
something
like
that?
It's
you
know.
Is
there
someone
else
that
could
address
that
rather
than
having
the
police
come
in
the
truancy
issues,
some
of
the
the
calls
for
for
for
overdose
cases,
it
depends
on
the
type
of
call
it
is,
but
it
could
be
that
someone
who's
who's
with
drug
and
alcohol
you
know,
would
be
the
response
for
that.
E
You
know
because
a
lot
of
times
the
police
come
in,
you
know
it
may
be
a
thing
to
use
a
narcan
or
something
like
that.
It
depends
on
the
situation,
but
those
are
the
ones
that
I
can
think
of
is
in
the
schools,
and
you
know
on
some
of
the
the
the
drug
calls
some
of
the
some
of
the
calls
dealing
with
juveniles.
Lavoni.
Maybe
you
can
okay.
I.
L
L
A
lot
of
people
want
to
put
missing
persons
and
runaways
in
that
group,
but
we
really
need
to
kind
of
look
out
for
young
people
and
find
missing
persons
and
runaways
those
need
to
be
handled
by
the
police.
Of
course,
we
talked
about
the
homeless
issues,
overdoses,
the
mental
health,
when
we
have
determined
that
it's
safe
for
mental
health
workers,
mental
health
calls
citizens.
L
D
L
Who
need
wraparound
services?
Those
are
just
a
few
that
I
could
think
of
there's
people
that
are
involved
in
hoarding
and
there's
animal
violations.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
issues
or
when
you
talk
about
unbundling
that
we
could
probably
pass
that
on
to
another
social
service
entity.
E
I'm
sorry,
but
I'm
going
to
have
to
jump
off
because
I
initiate
the
zoom
call
for
our
local
chapter
meeting,
which
starts
at
6
30..
So
thank
you
again
for.
L
The
community-
I
just
have
one
more
thing:
real,
quick
for
the.
I
cannot
think
of
the
guy's
name,
who
were
asking
me
the
question
about
guardianship
versus
warrior
mentality,
but
the
police
are
going
through
a
training
called
the
active
bystander
for
law
enforcement,
training
and
I'll
make
sure
you
get
that
it's
called
able
able-
and
it
addresses
a
lot
of
those
questions
that
you
had
on
the
table
as
it
relates
to
the
advice
I
mean,
as
it
relates
to
the
warrior
mindset
versus
the
guardian
mindset.
So
I'll
get
those
to
the
committee.
Okay,.
A
You
please
allow
us
to
extend
our
thanks
for
the
representatives
from
noble
to
speak
to
us
tonight.
I
shared
some
great
information
and
some
great
questions
and
we
look
forward
to
continuing
the
conversation
and
collaborating
to
further
advance
the
work
in
law
enforcement.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
your
participation
tonight.
Thank.