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From YouTube: The Grant Street Experience: Jeaneen Zappa
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On this episode of The Grant Street Experience, Grant Ervin and Rebecca Kiernan talk to Jeaneen Zappa from Keystone Energy Efficiency Alliance.
A
Hi
and
welcome
to
the
grant
street
experience,
I'm
your
host
grant
urban
welcome
to
our
fun
little
podcast
about
all
things.
Interesting
that
happened
along
grant
street
have
with
me
my
co-host,
rebecca
kiernan,
rebecca
good
morning
good
morning
and
our
fabulous
guest
today,
janine
zappa
janine
welcome.
How
are
you.
A
Yeah
good
to
see
you
so
welcome
to
the
grant
street
experience.
We
cover
all
the
fun
and
interesting
things
that
are
happening
along
grand
street.
We're
really
excited
to
have
you
here
today
on
the
show
and
talk
about
all
things:
energy
efficiency.
We
haven't
had
an
energy
efficiency
guru
like
yourself
on
the
show
yet
so
we're
looking
to
dive
into
some
really
interesting
topics,
maybe
for
our
listeners
just
to
start
off.
A
If
you
can
share
a
little
bit
about
your
background
and
how
you
got
into
kind
of
the
work
around
energy
efficiency
that
you've
been
working
on
for
a
good
portion
of
your
career.
Now
I
think
from
what
I've
done.
B
Ago
in
technology
and
then
shifted
because
I
was
really
interested
in
these
issues
and
started
out
kind
of
poking
around
sustainability.
I
worked
at
one
point
at
the
green
building.
Alliance
for
about
five
years
became
allegheny
county's,
first
sustainability
manager.
I
went
on
from
there
to
lead
conservation
consultants,
inc,
a
local
non-profit
that
focused
on
residential
energy
efficiency
for
seven
years
until
we
merged
this
past
summer
with
rebuilding
together
pittsburgh,
who
is
now
taking
on
the
mantle
of
ensuring
that
that
residential
energy
efficiency
work
happens
at
a
local
level.
A
That's
terrific,
so
you've
you've
had
the
experience
of
being
at
all
the
levels
right
now.
You've
done
local
county
in
building
and
now
at
the
state
level.
Do
you
have
some
reflections
in
terms
of
just
the
differences
between
working
at
those
different
scales.
B
I
think
I'm
so
new
at
the
state
that
I
can't
offer
you
a
really
good
perspective
there,
although
it's
a
really
exciting
opportunity
to
see
how
policy
initiatives
like
the
regional
greenhouse
gas
initiative
that
is
currently
moving
through
the
pa
house
and
senate
in
terms
of
being
implemented
in
the
dep,
can
really
create
a
market
mechanism
that
allows
for
carbon
reduction
at
electric
generation
plants,
and
so
it
will
over
time
as
it
has
done
in
10.
B
Other
states
where
it's
operated
for
the
past
decade,
really
push
us
toward
more
clean
energy
generation
and
reducing
carbon
right.
So
there's
room
for
everybody
in
that
model,
but
what
it
does
is
let
the
market
decide
what
the
value
of
that
is,
and
it's
been
pretty
clear
elsewhere,
that
that
has
driven
a
lot
of
innovation
and
creates
an
investment
mechanism
for
energy
efficiency.
A
B
So
you
know
that's
manifested
itself
in
a
number
of
different
kinds
of
programs
in
the
states
that
participate,
some
of
which
are
rebates,
some
of
which
are
energy
audits
available
to
consumers
at
all
income
levels.
There
are
sometimes
special
programs
for
those
who
are
income
challenged
that
might
provide
much
like
many
of
the
energy
efficiency
programs.
You
see
right
now
that
might
do
an
assessment
up
front,
provide
free
appliance
replacement
or
weatherization
of
that
home.
B
There
can
be
improvements
at
commercial
buildings,
whether
that's
an
hvac
system,
that's
more
efficient
or
looking
at
even
larger
projects
like
a
district
energy
system
right,
so
it
really
depends
on
what
becomes
allowed
and
the
dep
right
now
is
working
in
pennsylvania
starting
last
week
on
determining
what
the
program
parameters
will
be
in
pennsylvania.
So
I
think
right
now
it's
a
question
mark,
but
certainly
we
expect
there
to
be
a
fair
amount
of
proven
energy
efficiency
opportunities
in
that
mix
and
there's
some
other
things
that
go
in
there
too.
B
There's
some
just
transition
that
is
expected
to
help
people
who
work
in
traditional
energy
generation
fields
to
be
able
to
migrate
their
careers
and
still
have
good
wage
and
employment
right,
because
that's
important
right
as
we
as
we
shift
our
economy.
A
Yeah,
it's
so
important
that
there's
you
know
we're
not
just
thinking
about
you,
know
kind
of
supporting
innovation,
but
also
supporting
that
transition
is
really
critical
in
both
urban
and
rural
communities.
One.
A
Into
you
know,
while
we
hide
you
here
is
the
topic
of
energy
burden,
sure
and
maybe
rebecca
just
to
start
off.
We
we've
done
some
work
in
this
city
on
the
topic
of
energy
burden,
and
maybe,
if
you
could
just
introduce
the
the
issue
a
little
bit
and
some
of
the
work
that
we've
done
here
in
the
city
around
the
topic
and
what
is
it?
What
is
energy
burden.
D
Yeah
energy
burden
is
the
amount
of
so
it's
the
amount
of
income
at
the
household
level
that
is
then
spent
on
your
utility
bill
so
like
well,
I
guess
there's
utility
bills,
which
includes
water,
so
some
counts
include
water,
although
most
don't,
but
this
is
for
energy,
so
so
heating
and
cooling-
and
you
know
the
work
that
that
we've
done
mostly
came
through
a
bloomberg,
grant
that
we
received,
which
we
actually
partnered
with
cci
and
janine
on
a
couple
years
ago
in
pittsburgh,
there's
been
a
number
of
studies
that
have
come
out
a
lot
of
them.
D
The
best
ones
come
from
the
ac,
tripoli,
the
american
council
for
an
energy
efficient
economy,
but
some
of
the
digging
that
we
did
looked
at
you
know
pittsburgh's
energy
burden
count
so
we're
the
sixth
worst
city
for
energy
burden
at
the
time
of
the
last
report
that
was
out
and
second
worst
actually
for
our
our
black
residents
nationwide.
So
we
started
looking
at
you
know.
What
are
the
reasons
for
that?
D
Actually,
in
pittsburgh,
we
pay
some
of
the
lowest
energy
rates
in
the
nation
which
led
us
to
believe
you
know.
While
we
were
doing
this
digging
and
we
knew
that
energy
burden
was
a
problem,
we
realized
that
that's
probably
got
a
lot
to
do
with
energy
efficiency,
which
is
why
we
we
work,
we
partnered
with
cci
and
worked
with
janine,
and
you
know,
janine
can
talk
about
some
of
the
issues
and
challenges
with
the
with
our
housing
stock
in
pittsburgh,
too.
D
A
Yeah,
maybe
janine
you
want
to
dive
into
them.
You've
seen
a
lot
of
these
houses
first
hand
from
your
time
at
cci,
and
what
is
that
that
process
and
some
of
the
things
that
you've
seen
in
in
the
individual
residential
households
that
are
such
a
challenge.
B
Sure
sure
it's
a
great
question,
so
I
think,
as
as
you
and
rebecca
know,
and
I'm
not
going
to
give
you
the
correct
stat
now
but
there's
a
significant
portion
of
city
of
pittsburgh,
housing
stock
that
was
built
pre-1956
even
and
much
of
it
pre-1978
and
while
we've
got
all
kinds
of
great
new
development
going
on,
there
really
wasn't
anything
in
the
building
code
requiring
energy
efficiency
until
1978..
B
B
Right
and
unfortunately,
we
also
we've
got
this
perfect
storm
here
of
having
steep
slopes,
lots
of
clay,
soil
lots
of
houses
built
on
a
slope
and
really
kind
of
quirky
heavy
initial
rainfall
events-
and
I
mentioned
this
because
most
of
the
foundation-
walls
that
were
built,
pre-1978,
didn't
even
have
what
you
normally
see
today.
B
Is
you
know,
kind
of
a
weather
ceiling
almost
like
a
tar
on
the
outside
of
that
cinder
block
or
that
sandstone
and
then
some
gravel
and
that's
intended
to
allow
drainage
around
your
foundation
of
your
house
when
there's
rainfall
and
even
just
moisture
that
is
in
the
soil
at
a
molecular
level?
You
know,
while
there
are
a
large
portion
of
homes
that
have
moisture
in
the
basement,
usually
it's
not.
You
know
what
we
in
the
trade
would
call
bulk
water
right.
B
It's
not
like
you're
getting
a
puddle
in
there
unless
it's
a
super
heavy
rain
right,
but
at
a
molecular
level
that
moisture
is
coming
in
and
so
a
lot
of
people
have
really
high
humidity
in
their
basement
because
part
of
it's
below
grade,
you
know
below
the
dirt
line,
because
the
house
is
on
a
slope.
So
all
these
things
combine
in
this
perfect
storm
to
mean
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
moisture
in
homes
and
why
I
mention
that
is
it
makes
it
really
tricky
and
creates
a
lot
of
deterioration
in
homes.
B
Moisture
is
like
the
number
one
root
of
evil
in
a
house.
It'll
cause
rot,
it'll,
cause
pests,
it
causes
unhealthy
indoor,
air
quality,
so
moisture,
and
energy
and
efficiency.
While
there
are
two
different
things
are
intrinsically
linked
in
a
house,
you
want
to
make
sure
you're
addressing
moisture
issues
before
you're
tightening
up
that
house,
so
that
clearly
you're
not
exacerbating
any
indoor
existing
air
quality
issues
or
just
simply
propagating
a
mess
right.
B
B
That
is
why
international
attention
has
been
focused
on
this
work
and
cities
like
pittsburgh
that
have
traditionally
been
in
the
top
ten
that
low-income
residents
are
typically
spending
two
to
three
times
and
nationally
three
times
as
much
as
non-low-income
residents
on
their
energy
bills
right,
not
dollars-wise,
but
as
a
percentage
of
their
household
income.
So
if
you're
thinking
about
a
person
who
is
extremely
poor,
you
know
less
than
twenty
thousand
dollars
a
year
household
income.
B
That's
a
really
big
hit
to
have
seven
eight
percent
of
your
income
versus
three
3.1
or
3.5,
which
is
around
the
national
average.
So
to
double
that
is
a
pretty
big
deal
and
you
know
you've
got
to
carve
up
a
big
chunk
of
that
small
pie.
So
now,
if
you
can't
do
basic
repairs
that
house
just
further
deteriorates
right,
that's
a
really
long
answer.
I'm
sorry!
Graham.
A
I
know
I
think
it's
a
complex
issue
right,
it's
a
it's
a
complex
issue
and
one
of
the
things
rebecca
too
that
we
found
in
the
equity
indicators.
Maybe
if
you
touch
on
this,
though,
is
you
know
what
janine's
laying
out
is
like
some
of
those
up
front
challenges
that
we
see
because
of
energy
burn?
But
there's
also,
you
know
corollary
issues
with
with
health
and
stress.
I
mean
what
were
some
of
the
things
that
the
connection
points
that
you
saw
with
that.
D
Yeah
there's
a
lot
of
help,
disparity
in
health
outcomes
too,
and
you
know
it's,
it
could
be
causal
anecdotally.
We
know
that
it's
a
challenge,
but
you
know
there's
a
higher
asthma
rate,
yeah
there's
just
a
there
are
a
number
of
disparities
that
that
are
a
result
of
poor
living
conditions.
A
Janine
one
of
the
things
you
know:
we've
you
guys
partnered
on
this,
but
and
I'm
I'm
proof
positive.
I
call
it
the
zappa
project
here
in
my
house,
the
the
role
and
importance
of
an
energy
audit.
A
A
But
it's
probably
you
know
some
of
the
best
money
that
you
could
spend
if
you're,
if
you're
a
homeowner
or
a
property
owner
in
terms
of
like
just
giving
yourself
like
the
to-do
list
right.
Oh.
A
B
B
Okay,
so
in
this
energy
audit
they
set
up
kind
of
a
fabric,
fake
front
door
that
has
a
giant
fan
in
it
and
create
essentially
a
20
mile
per
hour
wind
in
your
house
and
why
they
do
that
is
it
helps
to
identify
exactly
where
the
air
is
leaking
in
your
house,
yeah.
B
That's
right
the
blow
door
test,
and,
and
so
that
helps
us
to
know,
you
know
how
many
air
changes
per
hour
and
you
want
some
fresh
air,
but
your
ventilation
systems
should
be
providing
that
not
your
walls
and
the
gaps
around
your
windows-
and
you
know
we
find
that
typically
houses
in
this
region
are
a
lot
leakier
through
the
project
that
you
mentioned.
B
So,
for
whatever
reason
grant
and
I
can
speculate
why
the
houses
are
leakier,
but
there's
an
opportunity
in
an
energy
audit
to
identify
all
right
exactly
where
do
I
need
to
put
caulking
exactly?
Where
do
I
need
to
fix
a
door
exactly?
Where
do
I
need
weather
stripping?
Where
am
I
missing
insulation?
If
you
know
somebody's
using
an
infrared
camera
you'd
be
shocked
at
how
many
times
a
crew
gets
interrupted
and
they
don't
fill
a
certain
bay
in
your
walls
with
insulation.
B
So
where
you
think
you
have
it,
you
may
not
or
you've
been
told
you
have
it.
You
may
not,
or
you
just
simply
may
not
there's
a
lot
of
what's
called
brick
and
tile
construction
around
here
and
that
that
doesn't
allow
any
room
for
insulation.
So
you
have
to
kind
of
add
it
in
inward.
C
B
What
needs
to
be
done,
and
I
so
appreciate
you
participating
in
you-
know
the
project
to
help
see
what
happens
and
I'm
delighted
to
hear
you
got
something
of
value,
because
now
you
as
a
homeowner
right,
you
can
tackle
it.
One
thing
at
a
time:
it
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
spend
a
fortune
up
front,
but
you've
got
a
prioritized
list
and
also
prioritized
roi.
A
For,
for
some
reason
like
we're,
you
know
I'm
like
there's
nothing,
there
there's
nothing
there,
and
then
I
have
walking
up
to
my
attic
the
top
floor.
There's
an
interior
wall
on
the
stairwell
and
it
had
insulation
in
it,
and
it
was
the
only
the
only
wall
that
had
insulation.
C
A
So
so,
just
to
kind
of
follow
suit,
with
like
what
jenny
was
talking
about
with
moisture.
So
you
know
they'll
walk
into
the
house
and
they
have
all
your
equipment
and
everything-
and
you
know
the
funny
part
of
the
story
is
my
wife-
is
like
the
project
manager,
right
and
so
she's
sweating.
The
whole
thing
like
understanding
like
what
we're
getting
into
and
we
started
in
the
basement-
did
the
walk
through
the
house
and
it
basically
is
followed.
A
The
project
management
plan
has
followed
the
same
steps
that
the
energy
auditors
took.
So
we
began
in
our
basement,
which,
going
back
to
buying
our
house
in
the
very
early
days,
has
always
been
about
water
management.
A
A
But
we
started
on
interior
water
management,
which
has
been
a
huge
improvement
to
your
point
in
terms
of
the
reduction
of
moisture
in
the
basement,
and
then
we
kind
of
worked
our
way
up.
The
the
one
challenge
I
will
say
is:
it
is
a
domino
effect
right
so
like
to
be
truthful
and
honest.
A
Like
you
once
you
open
up
a
wall
cavity,
you
start
to
see
all
these
other
issues,
really
that
I
would
kind
of
attribute
to
pork
can
not
poor
construction,
but
just
what
we've
learned
in
construction
management
over
the
last
100
years.
So,
for
example,
in
order
to
get
insulation,
we
had
to
get
all
new
electrical
because
we
had
knob.
A
We
had
we
had
knob
and
tube
wiring,
which
our
house,
our
home
audit,
our
home
inspection
said,
was
already
taken
care
of,
but
it
was
not.
A
Yeah
so
then
we
did
insulation
insulation,
then
prompted
that
we
do
siding,
siding,
also
prompted
that
we
had
to
do
a
new
addition
on
the
back.
You
know
like
there's
a
whole
sorts
of
things,
but
the
end
result
we'll
see
it
this
winter.
We
started
to
see
it
at
the
tail
end
of
last
year.
Is
our
our
heating
bill
in
february
march
last
year
was
down
about
four
hundred
dollars.
A
So
is
a
significant
reduction
yep
to
that
point,
just
like
it
follows
suit
with
all
of
the
research
that
we
have
is
that
we're
basically
consuming
more
gas
electric
gas,
mostly
to
heat
and
cool
our
homes,
and
that
we
don't
need
to
if
we're
properly
insulated
and
maintained.
B
That's
right,
you
know,
grant
I
had
a
similar
experience
after
I
had
my
energy
audit.
You
know
we.
We
were
here
the
first
winter
before
we
insulated,
and
I
think
my
gospel
in
january
was
like
470
bucks
right
and
then
the
next
year
was
the
polar
vortex.
If
you
remember
that.
B
Under
150
bucks
in
january-
and
I
was
thrilled
right
so-
and
it's
really
demonstrated
that
particularly
in
low
income
housing-
I
do
want
to
make
mention.
I
know
we
don't
have
a
ton
of
time,
but
as
rebecca
noted,
the
american
council
for
an
energy
efficient
economy,
often
called
ac
triple
e,
always
puts
out
a
report
on
high
energy
burden.
They
just
this
week
held
a
webinar
and
last
week
just
published
their
latest
version.
Now,
sadly,
they
don't
note
pittsburgh
in
it,
because
it
wasn't
part
of
the
data
set.
B
However,
that
data
sets
being
updated
and
later
this
fall,
they
are
going
to
publish
an
updated
version,
but
that
report
shows
that
in
low
income,
housing
weatherization
is
shown
to
reduce
energy
usage
by
25
25
right.
If
I
told
you,
you
can
go
on
a
diet
for
two
weeks
and
lose
25
of
your
weight,
like
everybody
would
sign
up.
But
here
we
are
with
our
houses.
B
Probably
the
most
expensive
thing
you
own
and
you've
got
no
clue
about
it
and,
to
your
point,
grant
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
we
just
don't
know
it's
not
visible,
and
many
of
the
opportunities
and
challenges
related
to
energy
efficiency
are
not
in
plain
view.
Some
are,
though,
by
the
way,
so
here's
my
tip
for
a
really
simple
thing.
B
You
can
do
now
that
we're
in
the
autumn
season-
and
it's
actually
colder
instead
of
this
crazy
hot
summer-
that
we've
had
is
just
go:
look
for
spider
webs
in
your
basement
and
anywhere,
there's
a
spider
web.
That's
an
indication
that
there's
an
air
current
because
they
like
to
build
their
webs
where
that
air
is
flowing,
and
so
you
probably
have
some
air
sealing
to
do,
and
I
can't
hammer
on
this
enough.
Air
sealing
is
the
bookend
to
insulation.
B
B
Right
yeah,
so
you
can
have
spray
foam
caulking.
Anything
that
blocks
flow
of
air
is
a
good
solution
to
air
sealing,
but
generally
right,
you're,
looking
at
some
kind
of
expanded,
polystyrene
rigid
board
or
sprayed
foam
or
caulking
many
things
you
can
do
yourself
as
a
as
a
resident
right,
yeah.
A
Just
to
pick
up
on
that,
because
we've
got
some
limited
time
here,
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
this:
is
you
know
you
just
mentioned
that
that
25
number,
which
is
so
significant
and
what
are
some
of
the
things
that
you've
seen
or
heard
through
this
period
of
the
the
pandemic,
as
folks
have
you
know,
moved
spent
more
time
in
their
homes
working
from
home?
You
know,
that's
one
part
of
it,
but
the
other
is,
as
we
think
about
kind
of
economic
stimulus
or
the
opportunities
in
terms
of
weatherization
can
provide.
A
You
know
in
terms
of
economic
recovery,
has
has
kia
or
other
folks,
given
some
thought
to
that
or
you
personally.
B
Sure
so,
at
a
state
level,
right
kia
and
a
number
of
other
organizations
right
are
really
advocating
to
see
the
cap
lifted
on
the
current
energy
efficiency
program
in
our
state
act
129.
the.
B
Also
has
a
roll-up
energy
efficiency
alliance,
so
there's
some
work
going
on
in
new
jersey,
but
since
we're
here
in
pennsylvania,
let's
focus
on
that.
We
think
that
there's
plenty
more
opportunity
and
that
there
is
proven
improvement,
and
we
did
talk
briefly
about
reggie
at
the
top
of
this
call
and
this
this
podcast
grant
when
that
goes
into
action
that
can
become
a
longer
term
catalyst.
B
In
addition
to
the
many
great
programs
that
exist-
and
I
want
to
be
clear
right
if
people
are
having
trouble
paying
their
bills
or
have
a
low
income
household,
you
should
absolutely
check
out
both
your
utility,
your
gas
utility
and
electric
utility
websites
and
action
housing,
which
is
the
federal
weatherization
agency
here
in
allegheny
county,
both
of
there's
parallel
sets
of
resources
that
can
both
be
applied
to
those
single
homes.
B
The
city,
as
you
know,
has
a
wonderful
loan
program
for
energy
efficiency
through
the
urban
redevelopment
authority,
and
so
you
know,
I
think,
at
a
policy
level,
the
other
stuff
you
know
not
residential,
but
commercial.
In
allegheny
county.
B
We
now
have
a
program
available
to
commercial
property
owners
called
cpace,
so
property
assessed
clean
energy
and
it's
a
terrific
financing
mechanism
that
really
can
help
a
commercial
property
owner
to
make
significant
energy
efficiency
improvements
and
just
like
a
homeowner
right,
those
are
often
a
huge
chunk
of
fixed
costs,
and
so
it's
a
great
way
to
skinny
down
and
in
this
terrible
year
that
we
have
all
been
through
everybody's.
B
B
So
you
should
be
on
the
lookout
next
week
for
the
annual
energy
efficiency
jobs
report
that
comes
out
from
e2
and
e
for
the
future,
and
I
know
that
it
has
been
the
fastest
growing
segment
of
jobs
in
pennsylvania,.
C
B
Past
four
or
five
years,
it's
pretty
incredible,
and
yet
we
still
as
a
percentage,
have
fewer
energy
efficiency
jobs
than
most
of
the
rest
of
the
country
as
a
percentage
of
our
overall
employment.
So
that
suggests
that
you
know,
we've
got
plenty
of
need,
as
we've
talked
about
and
plenty
of
opportunity
right,
so
the
more
we're
able
to
drive
that
across
the
finish
line
and
help
residents
get
more
comfort,
lower
bills,
better
efficiency
right
that
25
savings,
that's
huge!
It's
huge,
absolutely
huge,
and
it's
not
just
about
the
money
right.
B
A
Yeah
just
just
to
touch
on
this,
I
mean
real,
quick
because
it
it's
about.
It
is
about
cash
right
cash
in
your
pocket,
but,
like
rebecca,
you
guys
did
focus
groups
with
a
lot
of
the
contractors.
A
I
mean
what
was
the
makeup
of
them.
You
were
looking
at
like
electricians.
Carpenters
like
what
are
some
of
the
professions
that
are
involved
in
in
this
work.
D
Yeah
I
mean
we
worked
with.
They
were
really
janine
and
cci's
contractors,
so
it
was
kind
of
a
self-selected
group
of
you
know:
energy
efficiency
professionals.
So
you
know
the
guys
who
will
like
crawl
into
your
attic
and
do
all
of
the
hard
work
that
they
like
to
say.
But
one
of
one
of
the
biggest
issues
is
just
that
there
aren't
enough
in
that
space,
so
it
seemed
and
janine
correct
me
from
wrong,
but
it
seems
like
from
speaking
to
them.
D
You
know
they're
kind
of
like
in
each
niche
group
and
they're.
It
needs
to
trickle
down
more
to
just
your
average
contractor,
and
you
know
the
the
your
friends,
the
friends
space
of
you
know,
people
who
help
you
out.
You
know
with
some
of
your
building
projects.
Yeah.
B
B
A
So
one
of
the
things
we'd
like
to
do
just
to
kind
of
wrap
up
janine.
This
has
been
really
great
information.
We
appreciate
it,
so
we
have
a
little
piece,
self-fulfilling
kind
of
information
gathering
for
us
called
what
you're
listening
to
what
you're
reading
or
what
you're
watching
so
rebecca,
and
I
are
just
curious
to
see
what
our
guests
are
consuming
from
a
day-to-day
basis
just
to
add
to
our
list
consumption,
so
any
good
books
or
movies
or
podcasts
that
you're
listening
to
out
there.
B
B
When
he
was
20
years
old
and
I've
been
watching
away,
the
new
netflix
series
with
hilary
schweink,
which
I've
been
very
much
enjoying.
D
Not
so
much,
but
I
just
read
a
really
fascinating
article
out
of
npr.
Maybe
this
sets
up
like
a
future
podcast,
but
it's
around
the
recycling
industry
and
it
compares
the
recycling
industry,
which
was
actually
an
advertising
ploy
of
the
plastics
and
oil
and
gas
industry.
D
The
80s
and
90s
when
they
made
that
when
they
made
that
switch
and
they
were
really
pushing
recycling,
but
it
it
basically
mirrors
like
the
cigarette
industry.
I
forget.
D
Not
that
recycling
is,
you
know
not
like,
we
should
be
still
be
doing
it,
but
plastic
specifically.
D
C
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
here
and
please
check
out
the
new
ac,
tripoli
report
and
we'll
keep
you
posted
on
what
happens
with
kia.
A
Awesome
well
yeah,
once
the
report
kind
of
is
dropped
there
like
please
pass
it
on
and
we're
happy
to
share
it
with
folks.
This
is
great.
Well
janine.
We
thank
you
for
joining
us
rebecca.
Thank
you.
As
always
thanks.
Everyone
for
listening
in
this
is
the
grant
street
experience.