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From YouTube: The Grant Street Experience: Melany Arriola
Description
On this episode of The Grant Street Experience, Grant Ervin and Rebecca Kiernan talk to City Planning's SCA Fellow Melany Arriola.
A
A
The
grant
street
experience
is
our
podcast
about
all
the
fun
and
interesting
things
that
are
happening
along
grant
street,
and
today
we
have
a
real
special
guest
with
us,
melanie
areola,
who
is
our
student
conservation
association,
fellow
and
co-host,
as
always
rebecca
kiernan
by
our
side
rebecca?
How
are
you
today.
C
Yes,
I
wish
it
was
real,
but
it's.
It
makes
a
good
virtual
background.
A
I'm
I'm
waiting
for
like
like
an
ewok
or
so
like
a
star.
You
know
from
star
wars
and
return
the
jedi
to
come
out
behind
you
or
something.
A
So
just
to
get
started,
so
we've
had
a
a
long
and
really
great
history
with
the
student
conservation
association
and
the
work
that
they
have
done
on
our
team
with
the
state
with
the
the
sustainability
team
here
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
Melanie,
maybe
just
to
begin
our
conversation
today.
If
you
could
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
sca
and
then
your
history
and
background
into
how
you
became
an
sca
fellow.
C
But
so
it
has
a
lot
of
different
activities
that
fellows
and
interns
do.
I
think,
I'm
one
of
the
a
little
bit
different
because
I'm
not
stationed
outdoors,
but
I
get
to
work
on
a
lot
of
similar
issues
and
values
that
the
sea
you
know
embodies,
and
I
started
off
with
the
so
I'm
placed
with
the
city
of
pittsburgh
with
the
sustainability
and
resilience
division
and
I
started
off
as
an
intern
as
a
college
intern.
C
I
think
in
the
august
of
2018
2019
and
then
I
was
there
for
my
last
year
as
a
senior
at
chatham
university
and
then,
when
I
graduated,
I
think
we
all
wanted
me
to
stay
around
a
little
longer
and
continue
the
work.
I
was
doing
so
this
opportunity
to
continue
that
work
on
through
the
sea,
and
I
took
the
opportunity,
so
I've
been
continuing
the
work.
I've
done
there
and
also
explored
a
little
bit
of
other
things
with
the
with
the
sea
program.
C
So
it's
been
a
good
way
to
stick
around
to
see
a
project,
go
a
little
bit
longer
and
also
meet
other
expand
my
network
and
become
aware
of
other
programs
that
are
out
there.
A
C
It's
been
a
little
difficult.
I
think
we
tried
to
do
it
a
little
bit
more
towards
the
beginning
of
the
fellowship,
when
I
think
we
were
all
a
little
confused
of
what
was
going
to
happen,
especially
since
some
people
were
going
to
be
outdoors
or
in
person.
C
So
we
did
have
like
a
a
few
intro
meetings
at
the
beginning,
so
I
could
meet
the
other
pittsburgh
fellows
and
I
don't
think
I
mentioned
this
too,
but
at
some
point
the
sca
sent
a
reporter
to
interview
me
to
talk
about
my
experience
as
an
sea
fellow
in
pittsburgh.
C
I
don't
know
if
that
ever
got
published,
but
maybe
there's
an
article
out
there.
I
think
it
was
for
the
pittsburgh
gazette
a
post
gazette
but
yeah.
I
wish
it
would
have
been
better
but
to
be
in
person
and
you
know,
get
to
meet
the
other
fellows,
but
at
least
the
they
have
a
whole
blog
online.
A
That's
exciting
and
it
and
it's
been,
I
mean
what
has
the
experience
taught
you
thus
far.
I
guess
in
terms
of
coming
directly
out
of
college
and
then
into
the
fellowship
experience
like
what
are
some
of
the
skills
and
and
kind
of
knowledge
that
you've
been
able
to
gain.
C
Yeah,
so
I
think
what
I
liked
about
the
going
into
the
fellowship
is
that
I
still
get
to
explore
a
few
things
like
I'm,
I'm
continuing
doing
what
I
was
kind
of
doing
as
an
intern,
but
also
because
the
fellowship
had,
I
guess
another
vision
have
kind
of
been
split,
so
I've
also
been
exploring
in
other
sides
with
within
the
resilience
and
sustainability
world
where
I
want
to
be,
but
exploring
with
you
know:
zero
waste
things
or
composting.
C
So
it's
like
I
get
to
explore
that
without
you
know,
being
I
guess,
an
official
role
yet
so
I
can
kind
of
see
what
I
like
and
still
also
apply
some
of
those
skills
that
before
you
know,
I
only
got
to
do
in
an
academic
setting.
So
it's
nice
to
see
that
I
mean
I
love
school,
but
it's
kind
of
like
the
amount
of
reports
and
work
that
you
do,
but
it's
never
going
to
get.
C
You
know
practically
used
and
it's
nice
to
see
that
those
things
that
I
was
learning
before
that
I
did
enjoy,
but
now
I
can
do
it
with
solving
real
life
problems
and
knowing
that
I'm
like
helping
the
division,
the
city,
you
know,
meet
those
goals.
A
You
know
the
issues
of
of
climate
change
are
are
real
and
upon
us
you
know
it
was
just
back
in
2017,
2016
2017
and
then
finally,
we
passed
the
pittsburgh
climate
action
plan
in
2018,
which
is
what's
called
a
mitigation
strategy.
So
how
do
you
reduce
co2
and
carbon
dioxide
in
the
atmosphere?
A
But
in
that
time
we've
experienced
a
lot
of
the
acute
impacts
of
both
stressors
and
shocks
that
are
associated
with
client,
the
need
for
climate
adaptation
or
effectively.
How
do
we
adjust
our
our
operations
and
ourselves
really
in
the
place
of
climate
change?
A
Maybe
if
I
just
pivot
to
rebecca
a
little
bit,
would
you
be
able
to
start
and
kind
of
introduce
kind
of
what
the
you
know,
a
the
project
that
you
helped
shape
for
melanie,
and
maybe
we
can
get
into
some
of
the
details
with
regards
to
kind
of
the
connection
that
you've
had
with
resilience,
planning
and
now
kind
of
this
idea
of
climate
adaptation
or
climate
preparedness.
B
Yeah,
so
back
in
2019,
when
we
found
melanie,
we
were
kind
of
looking
at.
You
know
the
big
question
of
you
know
we
have
this
mitigation
plan,
we've
done
the
resilience
work,
but
the
resilience
work
is
a
little
bit
broader
than
just
climate.
So
that's
you
know
social
and
physical
shocks
and
stresses,
but
to
dig
a
little
bit
deeper
into
the
climate
aspect
of
resilience.
We
were
really
interested
in
like
what
are
the
impacts
that
we're
currently
experiencing.
B
So
you
know,
we've
been
mitigating
carbon
or
trying
to
mitigate
carbon
and
setting
targets
for
a
long
time,
but
you
know,
are
we
actually
already
experiencing
the
effects
of
climate
change,
and
so
that's
that
was
really
the
main
question
that
melanie
started
out
with.
So
I
don't
know
if
melanie
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
findings
that
you've
that
you've
come
across
she's
put
together
a
really
great
slide
deck,
which
I
think
we're
going
to
try
to
superimpose
here.
B
But
basically
what
melanie's
been
looking
at
is
you
know
historical?
Historically,
you
know
how
our
how
our
temperature
has
been
how
our
climate
has
been
in
pittsburgh,
and
then
you
know
within
the
past
few
years
of
the
past
decade.
Are
we
experiencing
any
changes
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
melanie.
C
Yeah
so,
like
rebecca
said,
I
basically
was
trying
to
put
numbers,
because
I
think
anecdotally,
we,
the
city
kind
of
already,
had
a
sense
that
these
things
were
occurring
and
that
climate
change
was
real.
But
we
didn't
really
know
concretely
what
exactly
was
changing
or
how
much.
So.
Those
are
really
the
initial
questions,
because
in
order
to
plan
for
anything,
we
kind
of
need
to
know
or
baseline
something
to
measure
or
to
understand
where
these
climate
risks
are
occurring
more
frequently.
C
So
basically,
I
just
went
through
also
because
I'm
not
a
pittsburgh
native,
so
kind
of
familiarizing
myself
with
the
climate
and
everything,
but
I
basically
found
four
main
areas
of
in
in
climate
that
I
think
pittsburgh
they're
like
its
top
concern,
so
that
would
be
temperature
changes,
temp,
precipitation
changes,
air
quality
and
ecological
health
and,
within
those
there's
a
bunch
of
other
stressors
that
go
within
like
landslides
and
flooding,
so
they're
all
interrelated.
C
But
these
are
like
the
four
main
concerns
or
areas
where
pittsburgh
has
already
seen
climate
risks,
and
you
know
starting
off
with
temperature.
Like
that's
been
an
interesting
one,
because
maybe
in
2019
it
or
point
it
wasn't
such
a
concern,
or
since
I
was
there
in
since
2018,
but
in
2020,
we've
had
like
the
warmest
one
of
the
warmest
summers
that
pittsburgh
has
experienced
in
a
while
and
that's
kind
of
showing
that
that.
C
Well,
I
think
what
one
of
my
findings,
what
is
that?
Yes,
temperature
is
on
average,
going
to
be
increasing
like
the
summer,
but
it's
also
going
to
have
these
fluctuations,
so
we're
gonna
have
higher
highs
and
lower
lows,
and
these
extreme
swings.
So
we
might
have
an
extremely
warm
summer,
like
we
had
this
year
in
2020,
but
they're
also
talking
about
having
a
really
cold
winter
or
early
winter
this
year.
So
these
are
kind
of
the
things
of
like
this.
C
The
city
has
to
be
prepared
for
these,
both
these
both
extremes
and
also.
What
is
that
doing
to
like
the
infrastructure
of
you
know
the
freezing
thawing
that
in
the
summer
you
have
higher
costs
from
the
electricity
usage,
the
city
also
the
residents.
So
how
do
you
prepare
for
that?
And-
and
it's
kind
of
so
that's
kind
of
what
I've
been
doing
for
the
for
about
for
each
stressor.
C
I'm
kind
of
outlining
giving
those
numbers
of
like
in
the
summer,
understanding
that
these
are
kind
of
going
to
be
the
new
normals.
B
C
We've
been
seeing
since
the
last.
I
think,
if
you
go
back
the
last
10
years,
even
the
last
20
years,
you're
kind
of
seeing
these
events
occurring
more
frequently
with
I
think,
like
even
in
back
in
2010,
like
once
I'm
going
back
like,
I
think
there
was
one
snow
event
where
there
was
like
21
inches
of
snow
in
a
single
day.
I
think
it's
referred
as
a
snow
armageddon
yeah.
So
like
those
kind
of
events-
and
I
think
in
2018
or
2019,
we
had
that
polar
vortex
event
where.
B
C
Like
colder
than
some
days
in
in
the
arctic,
so
it's
kind
of
like
one
acknowledging,
I
think
the
county
at
the
county
level.
It's
been
already
acknowledged
that
climate
change
is
one
of
the
major
drivers
behind
all
of
these
events,
I
think
in
2019
the
auditor
yeah
he
put
out
a
report
called
the
cost
of
you
know:
climate
change
on
taxpayers,
and
I
think
he
found
that
in
2018
it
climate
change
accounted
for
like
260
million
dollars
that
taxpayers
had
to
pay.
C
You
know,
indirectly,
from
these
climate
costs,
so
it
might
have
been
from
increased
electricity
costs
or
from
you
know,
having
to
invest
more
on
slope,
remediation
or
road
repair.
So
it's
a
real
concern.
When
you
start
seeing
when
you,
when
we
start
quantifying
these
costs
and
putting
numbers
to
it,
I
think
it's
easier
to
understand
why
it's
such
an
important
topic
to
be
planning
for
proactively.
A
It
really
becomes
kind
of
an
impact
on
municipal
operations
right,
so
when
we're
thinking
about
whether
it's
heating
and
cooling
buildings
or
road
repair
and
bridge
repair,
these
are
these
are
kind
of
impacts
that
are
impacting
the
fiscal
operations
of
the
city,
as
well
as
the
services
that
we
deliver.
Maybe
if
we
can
break
each
of
those
down,
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
temperature.
What
have
you
seen
with
with
precipitation.
C
So
similar
to
temperature,
it's
kind
of
that
fluctuation
between
really
dry
and
really
wet
periods.
But
I
think
the
concern
is
that,
because
there
is
that
big
gap
between
dry
and
wet
those
wet
periods,
it's
the
same
amount
of
precipitation,
plus
a
little
more.
I
think,
pennsylvania
in
general
precipitation.
The
average
has
increased
about
10
percent
of
increase
in
precipitation,
and
it's
expected
to
increase
another
eight
percent
by
2050.
So
we
have
all
that
increased
precipitation,
but
that's
not
following
that's
not
falling
equally
distributed
along
the
year
or
in
the
season.
C
It's
falling
like
in
very
concentrated
events,
and
some
of
those
terms
include
like
microbursts.
So
these
events
that
kind
of
just
book
intense
rainfall
in
one
area,
that
kind
of
just
pop
up
out
of
nowhere
and
that's
causing
you
know,
flooding
it's
like
bloody
extreme
flooding
in
certain
neighborhoods,
especially
because
of
just
the
natural
topography
of
pittsburgh,
with
a
lot
of
hills
and
and
going
with
that.
Also
the
it's
causing
a
lot
of
landslides
from
again
we
had
really
dry
periods,
so
we
have
soil,
that's
or
soil.
C
That's
a
little
bit
more
prone
to
landslides
and
also
going
to
hold
whether
than
the
soil
is
managed
at
all
or
the
vegetation.
So
all
these
factors
are
accumulating
into
these
smaller,
more
frequent,
intense
events,
so
that's
kind
of
what
we've
been
seeing
with
precipitation
and
also,
I
think
2018
broke
the
record
for
the
wettest
year
and
I
think
2019
was
like
the
second
or
third
wettest
year,
two,
so
we're
seeing
we're
already
seeing
that
pattern
of
increasing
20
20
might
be
a
little
bit
of
an
anomaly.
C
But
I
guess
we'll
wait
for
the
winter
to
see
how
much
precipitation
we
get
there.
So
it's
again
one
of
those
other
factors
that
it's
not
just
precipitation,
but
it's
like
all
the
other
things
it's
causing.
A
You
I
remember
in
the
slide
deck
that
you're
developing,
that
you
have
a
couple
of
pretty
interesting
slides
that
you
produced
around
kind
of
landslides.
You
know
for
both
kind
of
you
and
rebecca.
I
mean
that
that
has
an
impact
like
there's
some
specific
geographies
that
are
being
impacted,
rebecca,
you've,
seen
this
in
in
greenways,
I
mean
what
what
is
what
is
that?
Maybe
you
could
share
a
little
some
insights
that
you
have
on
that.
B
Yeah
I
mean
just
for
some
background.
Information
like
our
greenways
network
was
originally
created
in
the
1980s
as
a
way
to
put
a
permanent
conservation
easement
on
steep
hillsides,
particularly
where
we
had
lost
population
after
the
decline
of
the
steel
industry,
and
you
know
the
houses
were
laying
vacant.
So
you
know
by
nature.
All
of
our
greenways
are
basically
in
these
steep
slope
areas
where
we
should
not
be
building,
and
so
when
we,
since
the
1980s,
you
know
we
have
12
greenways
designated
throughout
the
city
in
different
neighborhoods.
B
The
city
does
not
have
the
resources
to
maintain
these
properties,
so
they've
largely
been
stewarded
by
unfunded
volunteer
community
groups,
which
means
that
you
know
we
have
invasive
vine
issues.
You
know
the
greenways
are
not
in
the
best
of
health
they're,
not
necessarily
cared
for.
There's
no
there's,
no
resources
dedicated
resources
that
go
into
them.
B
So
when
we
do
have
these
rain
events,
if
we
do
have
those
issues
of
invasive
vines
that
are
then
choking
out
the
tree
canopy
and
then
you
know
breaking
up
those
root
systems
that
big
wash
of
water
then
comes
through
and
it
and
it
you
know,
topples
down
the
hillside
so
because
we
we
are
not
necessarily
caring
for
those
spaces
and
they
are
sensitive
areas.
B
They
are,
you
know,
we're
seeing
more
slides
from
those
locations
and
one
of
the
biggest
problems
is
you
know
like
that
is
city
property,
it's
it's
public
land
and
so
we're
just
we're
cleaning
up
from
our
own
properties.
Now,
so
you
know
planning
and
figuring
out
where
those
slides
are
going
to
occur
and
understanding
how
we
should
be
planting
those
hillsides
and
caring
for
those
hillsides.
B
A
So
is
there?
Is
there
like
preventative
things
that
we
could
do
or
kind
of
pre?
You
know
not
preventative
maintenance,
or
you
know
prediction
that
that
do
we
know
where,
like
the
next
landslide,
I
mean,
I
know
that
that's
kind
of
a
loaded
question
in
many
regards,
but
because
of
like
some
of
these
pre-existing
conditions
that
we're
seeing
in
the
environment
is
there
a
way
for
us
to
get
ahead
of
these
these
incidences,
and
what
can
we
do
to
be
better
prepared?
A
Knowing
that
you
know,
melanie's
predictions
about
precipitation
have
been
pretty
spot
on,
so
maybe
after
the
sca
you
know,
maybe
meteorology
might
be
something
you
should
look
into.
A
B
I
mean
better,
better
management
of
those
hillsides,
so,
like
I
mentioned,
I
mean
you
know,
there
are
certain
species
that
you
can
plant.
Trees
have
really
good
root
systems,
but
you
know
a
lot
of
our
invasive
vine
problem
and
it's
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
tricky
situation,
because,
if
you're
pulling
out,
you
know
those
invasives
that
not
weed
that's
growing
on
the
hillsides
you're
still
destabilizing
until
you
replant
it
with
something.
B
So
it
takes
a
little
bit
of
like
you,
know
environmental
engineering
or
ecosystem
engineering
to
figure
out
what
it
is,
that's
going
to
work
well
there,
but
I
think
that
that's
you
know
something
that
we
should
be
exploring.
So
another
issue:
that's
come
up
multiple
times.
Is
this
deer
problem
that
we
have
so
we
have
the.
B
Have
overpopulation
of
deer
that
is
eating
the
undergrowth,
so
you
know
you
can't
have
that
those
bushes
and
those
other.
You
know
that
undergrowth
that
grows
underneath
the
trees
to
become
established,
which
then
you
know
holds
the
hillsides
together.
B
So
when
you
do
have
that
problem,
you
know
the
the
deer
browse
and
then
there's
another
issue
with
you
know:
deer
deer
poop,
which
is
them
being
eaten
by
these
worms,
which
is
then
further
loosening
the
soil,
particularly
in
riverview
park.
We
now
have,
I
just
heard
an
estimate
of
like
46
million
dollars
worth
of
landslide
management
in
just
in
riverview
park.
A
Not
to
interrupt,
but
I
think
we
we
need
a
kind
of
the
cycle,
a
graph
in
your
slide
deck
melanie.
That
is
effectively
the
the
deer
cycle,
we'll
call
it
and
and
how
how
they
are
doing
this
this
sort
of
damage.
You
know
it
was
funny
too
just
talking
about
the
deer
population.
I
was
on
a
walk
in
the
neighborhood,
going
up
hampton
towards
negli
the
other
night,
and
there
was
three
deer
like
right
in
the
middle
of
the
street
and
and
they
didn't
they
didn't
want
to
move
they
were.
They
were,
like.
A
A
Melody
another
piece
that
you
you
talk
about
in
your
work
is
in
the
slides
that
you've
prepared
is
the
issue
of
air
quality
and
kind
of
the
connection
between
temperature
and
air
quality.
Can
you
share
a
little
bit
with
listeners
about
what
that
looks
like.
C
Yeah,
so
air
quality
is
an
interesting
topic,
because
I
think
historically,
pittsburgh
has
been
known
for
its
really
poor
air
quality
because
of
its
heavy
industrial
past,
but
it's
been
significantly
improved
since
then.
C
So
I
think
most
of
the
days
are
in
that
you
know
moderate
air
quality
value,
but
now
what
we're
seeing
was
so
because
of
these
changes
and
these
fluctuations
in
temperature
and
also
these
warmer
summers
that
we're
seeing
we're
starting
to
see
what
these
super
pollution
events
which
are
called
inversions,
so
inversions,
occur
when
warm
air
is,
I
think
trapped
is
trapping
cold
air
below.
C
So
you
have
that
air
pollution
kind
of
stuck
lower
to
the
ground
closer,
so
you're,
breathing
in
that
pollution,
and
what
has
been
occurring
more
frequently
is
that
even
if
we
have
all
the
you
know,
the
factory
everything
is
in
compliance.
These
air
quality
events
are
occurring
more
frequently,
and
I
think
the
latest
number
that
I
could
find
was
that
in
2017,
around
50
of
56
of
the
entire
year
was
under
an
inversion
event,
whether
that
was
like
a
small
or
a
large
inversion
event.
C
So
that's
a
little
concerning
with
the
not
it's
not
just
the
air
quality,
but
if
it's
also
really
hot,
that's
also
leading
to
a
bunch
of
other
health
complications
for
for
residents
as
well.
So
we,
I
think
the
region
also
has
like
it's
their
eighth
worst
county
for
air.
I
think
asthma
rights
so
that
compiles
with
these
air
pollution
events.
Another
factor-
that's
also
impacted
by
temperatures
also
on
poland
out
there.
C
So
like
all
these
other
different,
it's
just
making
it
more
difficult
than
the
situation
already
is,
and
it's
going
to
continue
happening.
I
think
unless
we
either
change
the
amount
of,
I
guess
air
pollution
that's
out
there,
so
we
can
control.
So
we
don't
have
that
much
of
that
local
pollution
being
generated.
C
During
those
events-
and
it's
kind
of
it
doesn't
really
have
a
pattern,
I
think
the
majority
of
them
would
happen
in
the
summer
or
towards
the
winter,
but
they
kind
of
happen
all
year
round.
A
Wow,
so
so,
because
of
these
temperature,
the
changes
in
you
know
weather
patterns,
kind
of
low
pressure
systems.
You
know
the
increased
warm
days.
You
know
we're
basically
seeing
more
inversion
events.
More
of
these
super
pollution
events
occur,
and
you
know
it's
interesting
to
me
because
a
lot
of
times
there's
a
lot
of
attention
that
is,
and
deservesly
so
pointed
towards,
like
industrial
pollution,
but
this
is
also
mobile
mobile.
What
we
call
mobile
point
source
pollution
as
well,
so
it's
it's
transportation
systems.
You
know
and
kind
of
quote
normal
activities.
A
B
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
I
think,
what's
interesting
about
you,
know
the
pandemic
and
and
how
all
of
our
lives
have
changed
because
of
the
pandemic.
Now
you
know
it's
easier
to
work
from
home.
B
We've
been
working
from
home
since
march,
so
when
you
know,
when
you
can
kind
of
predict
that
there's
going
to
be
an
inversion
event,
which
is
you
know
if,
if
the
temperature
has
cooled
down
overnight,
and
then
you
know
that
it's
suddenly
going
to
get
real
hot
when
the
sun
comes
up
and
that
hot
air
is
going
to
trap
that
colder
air,
like
melania,
explained
you
sort
of
know
when
it's
going
to
happen,
and
it's
typically
in
the
morning,
so
I
think
one
of
the
opportunities
you
know,
especially
right
now,
when
we
know
how
these
systems
are
are
working
and
people
are
staying
home.
B
Could
we
have
some
sort
of
you
know
a
demand
response?
When
you
know
an
inversion
event
is
going
to
happen?
Could
we
you
know
change
the
way
that
we
do
things?
If
we
can
predict
it-
and
you
know
maybe
tell
tell
our
workers
to
stay
home
for
the
day,
we're
having
an
air
quality
event,
you
know
maybe
work
from
home
or
have
a
late
start
or
we
could.
You
know,
send
our
refuse
trucks
out
later.
B
B
You
know
how
do
we,
how
do
we
start
to
predict
and
then
how
do
we
actually
adapt
our
operations
to
be
able
to
handle
that,
but
other
things,
like
you
know,
planting
more
trees
and
paying
more
attention
to
our
greenways
and
having
those
healthy
ecosystems
that
are,
you
know
trapping
some
of
those
pollutants
within
the
leaves
like
those
are
all
also
strategies
that
are
interrelated,
and
could
you
know
help
act
as
that?
First
line
of
defense
against
the
changing
whatever
the
symptoms
are.
A
The
the
fourth
thing
that
you
know,
that
kind
of
is
a
good
segue,
like
the
fourth
thing
that
you
identified
melanie.
Is
this
idea
of
kind
of
ecological
health?
You
know.
So
what?
What
have
you
seen
there?
In
terms
of
you
know,
the
visual
impacts
that
that
kind
of
that
you've
been
able
to
identify.
C
Yeah
so
again
with
the
ecological
health,
I
think
most
of
it
is
following
in
that
the
greenways
and
the
tree
canopy,
which
is
again
related
to
all
those
issues
of
landslides
and
whether
it
could
absorb
some
of
those
flooding
impacts,
but
a
lot
other
things
that
are
also
being
changed,
and
I
think
rebecca's
mentioned
it.
Several
times
is
just
like
the.
I
guess,
alluding
to
the
health
of
the
already
existing
greenway
or
tree
canopy
that
we
have,
in
terms
of
like
climate
change,
might
bring
more
invasive
species.
C
I
think
also
talking
about
like
just
the
climate
in
general.
I
think
pittsburgh,
like
every
city,
is
going
to
change
its
climate,
so,
like
temperatures
are
going
to
like,
like
the
averages,
the
whole
climate,
the
humidity
everything
is
going
to
change.
So
it's
going
to
be
like
the
I
forgot.
What
city
that
they
compare?
Pittsburgh
is
going
to
be
more
like.
I
think,
I'm
a
little
bit
southern
more
a
little
bit,
some
more.
C
So
it's
just
like
also,
maybe
some
of
the
native
species
might
be
changing
or
it
might
be
more
attractive
weather
for
more
of
these
invasive
species
which
are
not
local
to
the
region
and
just
going
to
be
promoting
more
of
that,
those
that
hill
destabilization
and
that
decrease
in
the
health
of
the
tree
canopy.
C
So
I
think
that
whole
system
also
affects
a
bunch
of
the
the
social
and
the
health
issues
again
with
the
air
quality,
or
even,
I
think
now,
during
the
whole
pandemic,
when
a
lot
of
us
have
been
working
from
home
indoors
all
the
time
and
you
need
that
space
to
go
outside
so
just
having
access
to
those
green
areas,
I
think,
has
been
more
important.
C
I
think
more
people
have
been
valuing
that
that
access
to
be
able
to
go
outside
and
have
something
great
to
look
at
after
being
indoors
all
the
time
or
not
having
that
space
with
whole
social
distancing
like
being
able
to
have
those
parks
and
those
greenways
is
also,
I
think,
a
measure
of
that
social
health
aspect.
A
C
It
so
that
ecological
health
is
not
just
alluding
to
the
natural
systems,
but
it's
also
affecting
I
guess
the
social
systems
and
economically
as
well
like.
If
we
invest
more
on
better
pest
management
or
landscaping,
we
have
decreased
costs
and
we
don't
have
to
be
spending.
You
know
eight
million
every
year
on
just
slope,
remediation
or
40
million
whatever.
That
number
is
so
it's
got
a
lot
to
do
again
with
those
social
and
economic
factors
and
often,
I
think,
overlooked
too,
as
not
important,
or
at
least
not.
A
Well,
yeah,
it's
interesting,
though
I
mean,
because
we've
also
seen
you
know,
we've
done
some
of
the
overlays
with
environmental
justice
areas
right.
You
know
so
so
maybe
if
you
could
share
a
little
bit
about
what
what
that
looks
like
in
terms
of
the
connections
in
environmental
justice,
but
also
I
mean
you
mentioned
asthma.
A
C
C
You
know
the
ecosystem
across
like
city-wide,
and
I
think
it's
also
interesting,
because
when
you
look
at
like
measures,
I
think
one
of
the
measures
of
the
map
is
are
like
from
each
resident's
home,
like
what's
the
distance
to
like
a
green
space
or
a
park,
and
I
think
pittsburgh
ranks
really
highly
in
that,
because
there's
a
lot
of
green
spaces
and
parks,
whether
they're,
properly
managed
or
if
they're
actually
parks,
that's
a
different
story,
but
that
I
think,
tells
that
there's
that
opportunity
to
turn
those
lots
or
green
spaces
into
something
usable
by
by
residents.
C
So
there
is
that
opportunity,
there's
that
space
and
that
opportunity
to
turn
those,
but
also
when
you
start
overlaying
like
surface
temperature
like
a
layer
for
surface
temperature
above
a
layer
for
tree
canopy,
you
also
start
or
an
an
income
like
once.
You
start
having
these
layers
you,
you
kind
of
see
that
story
of.
Yes,
it
turns
to
be
those
lower
income,
neighborhoods
that
tend
to
have
more
of
that
gray,
space
and
higher
surface
temperatures.
C
I've
also
found
that
and
in
those
more
urban
more
where
you
have
more
gray
spaces,
I
think
the
temperatures
can
be
up
to
16
degrees
hotter
than
you
know
surrounding
temperatures
of
where
you
have
more
green
space,
so
that
difference
really
that
really
does
make
a
difference
with
how
much
trees
you
have
around
you
how
much
cement
you
have
around
you
or
those
reflective
surfaces,
so
it
it
could
mean
the
difference,
maybe
not
right
now,
but
in
the
near
future
that
difference
between
having
you
know
a
summer,
that's
like
100
degrees
plus,
which
is
not
normal
or
just
having
that
low
stick
around
in
the
90s
or
80s.
C
So
those
kind
of
connections.
When
you
start
layering
those
together,
you
really
start
to
see
those
those.
A
Stories
so
in
many
cases
you
know
rebecca
these
greenways
become
places
of
healing
from
not
just
an
ecological
standpoint,
but
also
from
a
human
health
standpoint.
You
know
we're
we're
in
the
process
of
developing
a
project
with
the
neighborhood
of
hazelwood
in
the
hazelwood
greenway
I
mean
it.
It
connects
to
this.
What
melanie
was
just
saying
about
the
the
proximity
and
the
partnership
with
the
trust
for
public
land
and
the
10-minute
walk
score?
How
does
that?
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
so.
We
have
this
greenways
stewardship
program,
which
is
kind
of
waxed
and
wayne
since
the
80s,
depending
on
you,
know,
neighborhood
involvement.
I
think
that
you
know
if
we
can
start
to
and
we
have
a
greenways
2.0
planning
process
that
we
went
through
a
few
years
ago,
which
called
to
strengthen
that
program.
I
don't
know
I
like
to
think
of
the
greenways
as
like
pittsburgh's
amazon
like
this.
Could
I
just
feel
like
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities.
A
B
Yeah
amazon
rainforest,
but
you
know
we
have
1200
acres
across
the
city.
That's
that's
a
significant
amount
of
land
and
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
there.
So
I
think
you
know,
as
we
start
to
infuse
some
funding
into
these
spaces.
B
Let
them
be
community
driven,
try
to
build
up
the
capacity
of
these
greenway
stewardship
groups
and
allow
them
to
to
you
know,
really
vision
how
they
want
to
use
these
locations.
We
can
think
about
the
greenways
as
like
and
the
parks
and
all
of
our
green
space.
As
you
know,
a
first
line
of
defense
against
the
changing
climate.
You
know
you
have
that
tree
canopy
coverage,
you
have
the
root
systems,
they
sequester
water,
they
sequester
carbon.
B
A
Maybe
just
to
wrap
up
we've
kind
of
tapped
a
little
bit
around
this,
the
the
fiscal
impacts.
You
know
whether
it's
investing
here,
not
investing
here,
predictive
analytics.
You
know,
one
of
the
things
that
you
know,
we've
seen
in
kind
of
the
research
in
recent
years
is
the
lack
of
a
risk
management
strategy.
A
So
you
see
this
a
lot
in
coastal
areas
where
the
challenges
of
insurance
and
insurance
finance
are
are
effectively
starting
to
assign
risk
to
real
estate
and
property
and
casualty
issues
because
they're,
seeing
you
know,
challenges
like
hurricanes
and
and
sea
level
rise
in
inland
cities
like
us,
it's
a
little
bit
different
because
these
are
slower
moving
challenges,
but
you
guys
have
started
to
been
able
to
document.
You
know
kind
of
what
the
fiscal
impacts
are.
A
C
C
With
a
little
bit
of
what
we
can
glance
by
just
looking
at
the
capital
and
operating
budget,
it's
a
little
bit
difficult
to
kind
of
right
now.
I
guess
assign
those
costs
and
say
this
is
attributed
to
climate
change.
Since
some
of
those
costs
aren't,
you
know,
truly
apparent.
So
we
can't
like
incorporate
how
much
was
spent
in
that
additional
time
of
having
people
going
out
there
to
clean
up
after
landslides
or
how
many
vehicles
were
sent,
and
things
like
that.
So
it's
hard
to
account.
C
So
I
think
in
2017
it
wasn't
even
a
million
dollars
that
the
city
was
spending
less
than
one
percent
of
the
budget
was
going
towards
slope
remediation
and
then
2018
that
one
year,
where
that
broke
the
record
for
the
wettest
year
on
record,
you
can
see
that
the
city,
I
think
the
city
really
was
under
budget
for
slope
remediation
and
I
think
they
had
to
take
an
additional
6.8
billion
just
allocated
like
out
of.
C
Where
did
that
money
come
from,
I'm
not
sure,
but
they
had
to
divert
that
from
somewhere
else
for
that
remediation,
so
I
think
in
again
2018
it
was
one
percent
of
the
entire
operating
budget
that
was
going
towards
slope
remediation
flooding
issues
and
then
in
2019
it
jumps
up
all
the
way
to
five
percent
of
the
entire
budget.
Now
that's
pretty
significant.
Now
from
one
to
five
percent,
that's
kind
of
like
a
five
times
more
of
that
money
being
spent,
and
when
you
look
at,
I
guess
preventative
measures.
C
C
In
the
future,
if
you
would
proactively
plan
for
these
things,
so
that
could
be,
you
know,
saving
that
jump
from
five
percent,
so
we
don't
want
to
be
seeing
these
increases
in
unexpected
costs,
especially
now
with
you
know,
everyone's
talking
about
the
budget,
but
if
we
could
just
proactively
plan,
I
think
it
would
save
more
and
making
people
realize
just
how
much
has
been
impacted,
I
think,
is
one
of
those
big
important
things
that
I'm
hoping
the
work
I've
been
doing
and
this
plan
does
is
just
show
like
make
people
understand
that,
so
they
can
see
why
it's
a
good
decision
to
prioritize
and
kind
of
invest
proactively.
A
He
was
from
the
other
side
of
the
state,
but
I
think
it
really
rings
true
in
this
in
this
instance,
that
in
understanding
and
and
the
work
that
you're
you're
doing
is
so
important
melanie
in
terms
of
understanding
what
these
risks
and
threats
are.
But,
more
importantly,
you
know
rebecca,
maybe
just
to
finish
up
here.
It's
it's.
The
education
right
like
this
is
this
is
something
that's
relatively
new
in
terms
of
our
understanding
of
this.
A
B
Yeah,
I
mean
some
of
the
first
things
that
we've
been
doing.
Is
you
know
taking
melanie's
show
on
the
road,
so
you
know
we've
been
talking
to
some
of
our
our
partners
and
people
who
work
in
the
space.
You
know
external
to
city
government
just
for
extra
input,
anything
else
that
they
might
be
seeing.
You
know
research.
B
We
talked
to
the
brand
corporation,
you
know
other
water
experts,
but
now
I
think
we're
we're
at
a
point
where
you
know
we've
refined
some
of
this
and
gotten
a
lot
of
input
from
you
know
vast
corners
of
of
how
the
climate's
changing-
and
I
think
you
know
now
what
we're
starting
to
do
is
kind
of
talk
to
our
colleagues
about
it
other
to
bring
it
to
other
departments,
understand
how
their
operations
might
be
impacted
or
affected
or
how
their
budget
might
be
affected.
B
I
think
that
that's
you
know
that
there's
there's
two
areas
to
go:
it's.
How
do
we
impact
the
budget
and
our
other
departments
to
to
change
their
operations?
And
then
how
also
do
we
gain
the
support
from
the
public
and
from
our
residents
who
are
experiencing
these
things?
But
maybe
aren't
calling
them
climate
change,
you
know
we
all
have
basement
backups
we're
all
seeing
flooding.
I
have
a
landslide
happening
in
my
backyard,
like
we
all
see
this
stuff,
but
we're
not
necessarily
attributing
it
to
the
changing
climate.
B
So
how
do
we
get
the
our
residents
to
support
the
investment
that
needs
to
be
made
and
the
changes
that
need
to
happen
within
the
city
government.
A
Yeah,
it
really
starts
to
become
a
a
critical
dot
connecting
exercise.
You
know
just
to
be
clear.
I
mean
that
you
know
the
the
dollars
that
are
spent
in
in
remediating
and
cleaning
up
landslides
or
dollars
that
need
to
be
spent
because
they're
effectively,
you
know
impeding
public
safety
or
you
know
negatively,
impacting
people's
lives.
So
the
question
becomes
like
how
you
know
exactly
that,
like
building
that
kind
of
education
and
awareness
and
then
being
good
stewards
of
the
resources
that
we
have
right
so
well,
hey
with
that.
I
want
to
thank
you.
A
Both
rebecca
has
always
great
job
in
finding
this
terrific
sca
fellow.
She
is
a
diamond
in
a
rough
and
has
been
a
great
asset
for
our
team
melanie.
We
thank
you
so
much
and
much.
You
know
some
difficult
work
ahead,
but
you
have
definitely
laid
the
foundations
for
us
and
we
appreciate
kind
of
the
the
efforts
that
you're
putting
forth
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
so
good,
good
work
and
kudos
to
you.
A
More
to
come
as
we
sign
off,
I
just
want
to
thank
our
cable
team
bill
and
alex
for
their
great
job
in
collecting
this
information
and
editing
and
the
work
that
they
do
and
thank
you
all
for
listening
to
the
grant
street
experience
and
until
next
time
we'll
see
you
soon
take
care.
Thank.