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Description
On this episode of The Grant Street Experience, Grant Ervin and Rebecca Kiernan talk to William Bernstein from the Department of City Planning and Dani Munoz from Delivery Associates.
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Hello
and
welcome
to
the
grant
street
experience,
I'm
your
host
grant
irvin
and
welcome
to
another
fabulous
episode
of
the
grant
street
experience
ironic.
We
were
just
talking
about
editing
and
I
have
to
flub
my
name
as
we
kind
of
jump
into
this.
We're
really
excited
to
be
with
you
guys
again
today
for
another
episode.
A
We
have
our
friends
with
us
from
the
american
cities,
climate
challenge,
which
has
been
a
partnership
with
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
the
national
resources,
defense,
council
and
an
organization
called
delivery
associates.
So
we
want
to
welcome
them
to
the
show
here
today,
but
first
we'll
just
go
around
with
some
quick
introductions.
We've
got
our
co-host
rebecca
kiernan
good
morning
rebecca.
How
are
you
today.
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A
D
Sure
my
name
is:
will
bernstein
I'm
the
city's
client
climate
advisor,
I'm
placed
in
the
city's
department
of
or
office
of
sustainability
and
resilience
through
the
american
cities,
climate
challenge,
which
is
a
nationwide
effort
of
the
bloomberg
philanthropies
and
nrdc
the
natural
resources,
defense
council,
25
cities
that
are
working
to
advance
climate
goals
with
an
eye
towards
2030?
In
particular,
I've
been
in
pittsburgh
for
about
15
years.
I
moved
here
originally
for
grad
school
at
carnegie,
mellon,
hines
college
for
public
policy.
C
Yes,
so
I
am
a
colleague
of
wills
as
part
of
the
american
city's
climate
challenge.
I
work
for
an
organization
called
delivery
associates
which
is
a
lead
partner
of
the
challenge
and
provides
cities
with
various
implementation,
support
and
strategy
advice,
and
so
I
kind
of
came
to
this
work,
having
also
study
public
policy
and
public
administration
generally
with
a
more
global
focus,
but
I
have
worked
either
in
government
or
adjacent
to
government
for
the
entirety
of
of
my
career
and
as
part
of
the
american
city's
climate
challenge.
I
work
with
pittsburgh.
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A
D
Yeah
so
nrdc
is,
you
know
one
of
the
nation's
leading
environmental
groups.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
have
probably
heard
of
work
on
a
wide
range
of
environmental
issues,
but
especially
now,
climate
change
is
a
top
priority,
and
especially
given
the
lack
of
of
federal
leadership
on
climate
change
over
the
last
four
years,
the
climate
challenge
has
been
a
way
to
activate
groups
like
nrdc
and
then
cities
that
are
doing
really
good
work
on
climate
to
kind
of
take
the
lead
on
addressing
our
carbon
emissions.
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D
It
it
was
better
before
the
pandemic,
because
we
actually
have
to
get
together
in
person
a
few
times
a
year.
Now
it
has
to
be
remotely
but
yeah.
We
have
regular
meetings.
We
talk
about
the
kinds
of
things
that
people
are
doing
in
each
city.
Not
every
city
is
doing
the
exact
same
kinds
of
climate
actions,
so
you
get
to
hear
about
things
that
other
cities
are
doing
differently,
but
also
for
those
that
do
have
kind
of
similar
goals.
D
You
can,
you
know,
compare
notes
and
see
what's
working,
what's
not
also
that
you
know
all
that
remote
interaction
across
country
actually
did
help
prepare
us
for
the
for
the
pandemic
a
little
bit
so
we've
at
least
been
able
to
you
know
we
were
already
doing
video
meetings
all
the
time.
So
we
kind
of
just
smoothly
semi
smoothly
moved
into
this.
D
A
C
C
He
had
a
few
key
priorities
that
he
really
wanted
to
see
happen
so,
for
example,
reducing
hospital
wait
times,
and
this
is
a
problem
that
all
governments
have
across
the
world
and
at
all
levels
is
just
coordination
on
priority
issues,
especially
when
they're
cross-cutting
departments,
it's
very
difficult,
like
each
department,
has
their
their
own
priorities.
Their
own
issues,
own
things
that
they're
looking
at,
and
so
the
idea
of
a
delivery
unit
is
really
taking
a
a
focus
at
the
center
about.
What
is
trying
to
get
done.
A
You
know
it's
it's
interesting
to
me
because
oftentimes,
we
think
of
innovation
and
technology
as
a
widget
or
a
gadget
or
a
piece
of
software,
but
the
the
delivery
units
themselves
and
the
organizational
structure
is
an
innovation
as
you're
saying.
Why
is
that?
I
guess,
and
what
are
some
of
the
tools
that
you
guys
have
in
your
toolbox,
that
you've
been
able
to
share
with
us.
D
C
Then,
maybe
only
10
of
that
same
energy
goes
into
focused
effective
implementation
of
that
policy
or
plan.
So
a
lot
of
times
what
you
have
in
that
gap
in
between
is
things
kind
of
fall
off
along
the
way,
and
so
a
lot
of
our
tools
are
really
about
bringing
back
that
focus
to
very
specific
priorities.
So
it's
not
just
that
you,
you
have
a
goal
in
mind,
but
that
that
goal
should
be
an
unambiguous
target.
You
know
a
number
that
you
can
say
definitively
yes
or
no
did
we
meet
our
ends.
C
Do
we
achieve
success?
It
should
be
time-bound
and
in
a
lot
of
the
tools
we
bring
in,
are
just
about
mapping
out
what
does
that
trajectory
to
success?
Look
like
mapping
out
who's
responsible
for
the
different
pieces
along
the
way,
making
sure
that
all
these
people
know
it's
it's.
So
it's
it's
a
lot
of
just
bringing
people
together
around
that
common
goal
and
I'd
say:
there's
a
ton
of
stakeholder
coordination.
There's
a
ton
on
prioritization,
there's
a
ton
on
very
specific
action
plans
and
what
that
looks
like.
C
D
Yeah,
so
the
so
like
most
of
the
cities
in
the
challenge,
the
the
actions
that
we
have
committed
to
take
to
reduce
our
carbon
emissions,
kind
of
fit
into
two
categories.
You've
got
buildings
and
energy
on
one
side
and
then
transportation
on
the
other
side
within
each
of
those
there's
kind
of
a
mix
of
things
that
are
city-wide
and
things
that
are
focused
on
municipal
operations.
D
So
on
the
buildings
and
energy
side,
for
example,
the
city
has
created
a
building's
energy
benchmarking
policy,
so
that
commercial
buildings
of
a
certain
size
have
to
report
their
energy
consumption
to
the
city.
That
data
has
been
made
public
by
the
city
for
people
to
be
able
to
get
a
sense
of
how
how
buildings
are
performing,
which
ones
are
doing
well,
which
ones
are
you
can
use
improvement
and
as
a
tool
for
building
owners
themselves
to
benchmark
themselves
against
other
against
other
buildings.
D
Similarly,
the
city
partnered
with
the
county
or
supported
the
county
in
creating,
what's
known
as
cpace
commercial
property,
assessed
clean
energy.
It's
basically
a
way
to
use
the
county
tax
system
to
help
building
owners,
finance
energy
efficiency
improvements
in
a
way
that
they
wouldn't
usually
be
able
to
because
of
the
rapid
turnover
of
commercial
properties.
D
Back
at
the
beginning
of
2020,
we
passed
an
ordinance
locally
that
requires
new
new
city
facilities
and
large
renovations
of
city
facilities
to
meet
a
net
zero
ready
standard,
which
basically
means
you
you
want
to
create
as
energy
efficient,
a
building
as
possible
to
essentially
consume
a
small
enough
amount
of
power
that
you
could.
You
could
conceivably
power
it
with
on-site
power
generation,
and
that
means
that
now
we've
been
working
closely
with
department
of
public
works,
and
we
can
talk
more
about
that
in
terms
of
some
of
the
implementation
work
to
figure
out.
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D
D
B
B
A
B
Yeah
and
we're
purists
or
simple
people,
so
we
call
them
a
task
force
in
the
ev
task
force
world
but
yeah.
I
just
came
from
a
meeting
with
that
task
force
which
is
now
working
like
a
well.
I
would
call
it
a
well-oiled
machine,
but
I
guess
not
oiled
yeah,
it's
not
oiled
anymore.
So
I
don't
know.
I
don't
know
how
to
describe
it.
B
B
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
complicating
factors
of
where
transformers
are
and
how
many
amps
and
volts
and
things
that
you
know
I
really
didn't
understand,
but
through
the
climate
challenge,
they've
they've
really
helped
us
figure
out,
like
danny,
was
talking
about
exactly
who
those
people
are
that
need
to
be
in
the
room
like
from
which
department.
So
we've
we've
organized,
I
think,
there's
six
or
seven
of
us
now
we
just
added
a
new
member
from
permits,
licensing
and
inspections
this
morning.
So
now
we
have.
B
B
B
You
know
struggled
with
that
project
for
well
over
two
years
now,
but
we've
just
gotten
all
of
our
responses
back
on
a
bid,
so
we
should
be
moving
forward
on
that
and
it's
been
really
interesting
to
just
you
know
the
the
parts
that
I
would
have
struggled
with
like
what
goes
into
a
bid,
and
you
know
what
part
of
the
contract
do
we
need
here
and
how?
How
many
grants
are
we
getting
to
to
fund
this
project?
D
B
A
We'll
I
want
to
come
back
to
you
because
there's
there's
more
more
than
delivery
associates
in
terms
of
like
the
assistance
that
comes
from
the
challenge.
Can
you
share
with
with
us?
You
know
some
of
the
other
kind
of
avenues
that
we've
gone
down
and
assistance
that
nrdc
and
the
challenge
has
been
able
to
provide
to
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
A
D
You
know,
there's
there's
basically
a
large
network
of
national
technical
partners
that
have
been
able
to
to
jump
in
and
provide
assistance
in
in
various
parts
of
the
the
work
that
we're
doing
so
another
one.
For
example,
on
the
fleet
side
is
electrification
coalition.
They've
done
a
lot
of
work
in
helping
you
know,
identify
the
right
kinds
of
vehicles
and
how
you
model
your
your
fuel
and
carbon
savings
and
stuff
like
that
on
the
building
side.
D
D
We've
also
recently
gotten
some
broader-based
assistance
from
a
group
called
resourcex,
helping
us
with
with
budgeting
processes
so
that
we
can
start
to
identify
the
you
know
where
we're
spending
money
on
these
priorities,
how
we,
you
know,
free
up
resources
to
to
support
our
climate
goals
and
other
kinds
of
priorities.
So
there
there
really
are
a
lot
of
different
opportunities
that
we're
getting
from
that
network.
C
C
It's
one
of
the
the
bigger
value
aspects
of
the
the
climate
challenge
that,
along
with
we
discussed
earlier,
the
opportunity
for
cities
to
really
peer
connect
and
share
learnings
and
challenges
and
and
problem
solve
together,
because
now
there's
this
giant
network
of
cities
that
are
all
leaders
on
climate
change
who
are
able
to
leverage
these
resources
and
talk
to
one
another,
a
lot
more
easily
than
they
were
able
to
before.
You
don't.
C
B
A
Maybe
danny
I'll
point
that
one
at
you
I
mean
that
the
the
bloomberg
philanthropy
and
bloomberg
network
has
been
really
supportive
of
cities
and
we
really
haven't
given
that
context
right
like
so.
Could
you
share
share
with
us
like
that
that
backstory
of
like
how
we
got
here
right,
like
cities,
developed
an
application
applied
to
a
challenge?
You
know
these
resources
have
have
thankfully
kind
of
come
to
us,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
work
in
the
behind
the
scenes
to
kind
of
make
that
happen
from
bloomberg.
Philanthropies.
C
I
think
that
there's
something
to
be
said
about
the
closeness
of
elected
officials
and
constituents
in
a
city
that
means
that
there's
more
accountability,
less
identity,
politics,
and
it's
really
just
about
like
what
needs
to
happen
to
make
life
better.
So
the
climate
challenge
just
really
engenders
all
of
all
of
those
ideas
about
that.
This
is
something
that
needs
to
happen.
It
happens
best
at
the
city
level,
but
at
the
same
time
there
needs
to
be
an
amount
of
coordination.
A
You
know
the
climate
issue
in
in
particular,
70
to
80
percent
of
all
carbon
emissions
originate
in
cities.
So,
if
you're
going
to
address
it-
and
you
know
mitigate
kind
of
those
emissions,
you're
going
to
have
to
do
it
in
cities
around
the
world,
whether
that's
a
mega
city
like
tokyo
or
new
york,
or
a
place
like
pittsburgh,
it's
all
kind
of
an
equivalent.
C
Well,
so,
really
quickly
going
back
to
what
you
mentioned
around
the
the
eighty
percent
of
total
city-wide
emissions.
The
reason
that
we're
focusing
on
buildings
and
transportation
is
because
that's
where
that
originates
is
is
in
those
areas,
so
yeah
exactly
right,
that
it
makes
sense
to
focus
on
cities
and
it
makes
sense
to
focus
on
transportation
and
buildings
and
energy
and
I'd,
say
you
know
overall
the
biggest
challenges
that
we
see
across
the
board.
C
And
again,
this
comes
back
to
a
lot
of
what
we're
doing
with
these
implementation
units
is
that
city
sustainability
offices
are
generally
fairly
new
in
a
lot
of
cities
across
the
united
states
and
they
don't
necessarily
or
often
live
at
the
center
of
government.
So
city
sustainability
offices
have
this
cross-cutting
mandate
and
purview
where
they're
they're
meant
to
work
on
something
that
affects
all
departments
and
all
operations,
and
yet
they
are
often
siloed
somewhere
outside
of
center
of
government,
which
makes
it
really
difficult
to
have
that
sort
of
coordinated
response
that
you'd
like.
C
A
D
C
Own
complete
energy
and
climate
focus,
and
so
I
think
that
our
biggest
thing
is
about
trying
to
create
these
lines
from
sustainability
offices,
to
mayor's
offices
and
or
mayor's
offices
and
budgeting
offices.
Just
to
make
sure
that
there
is
the
teeth
needed
behind
sustainability
offices
to
get
the
work
done.
A
Here
here
yeah,
you
know
it's
one
of
those
things
that
you
know
my
my
colleagues
accountable
parts
in
other
cities.
You
know
we
always
kind
of
lament
about
this.
Where
you
know
our,
you
know
the
the
public,
and
you
know
our
mayors
and
everybo
and
ourselves
included,
like
you
know,
have
set
out
to
develop
these
ambitious
climate
plans
and
realize
you
know,
like
the
part,
a
like,
I
said,
like
we're,
we're
a
part
of
the
solution
right,
we're
part
of
that
chemistry.
A
That's
going
to
be
required
for
the
solution,
but
just
now
cities
are,
I
think,
figuring
out
and
organizations
like
nrdc
and
delivery
associates
and
bloomberg.
Thankfully,
are
there
to
support
that.
We
need
to
re-engineer
systems
and
kind
of
the
the
purpose
of
government
in
order
to
effectively
kind
of
deliver
on
the
plans
and
strategies
that
we're
developing.
A
Will
you
know
on
to
you
with
that?
I
guess
like
what?
What,
if
some
of
those
shared
experiences
or
aha
moments,
that
you
and
your
other
climate
advisors
have
seen
in
these
processes,
in
terms
of
you
know,
parachuting
into
a
city
and
then
trying
to
understand
kind
of
the
mechanics
of
how
they
work
quickly
and
then
trying
to
kind
of
navigate
systems?
D
Think
that
is
probably
the
biggest
commonality
is
that
most
of
us
had
a
lot
of
experience
in
public
policy,
but
weren't
all
actually
working
in
city
governments,
and
so
you
know
seeing
the
the
messy
insides
of
city
government
and
just
the
the
challenges
of
what
you
have
to
do
to
to,
like
you
said
to
change
systems
to
turn
around.
What's
you
know,
even
a
small
city
is
a
big
ship
and
to
change
you
know
long
established
practices.
D
I
mean,
I
think
it's
it's
a
good
indicator
of
how
you
know.
We
all
know
it's
addressing
climate
change
is
a
huge
challenge,
and
the
work
being
done
in
cities
really
illustrates
that
because
it
actually
does
mean
changing
kind
of
everything
about
the
way
we
operate,
and
so
that
has
to
trickle
down
to
you
know
everything
from
you
know
like
our
benchmarking
policy,
but
also
to
procurement
decisions
and
budgeting
decisions
and
all
that
stuff.
D
That
doesn't
make
anything
any
easier.
Fortunately,
for
us
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
we
are
trying
to
do.
Is
energy
efficiency
work
that
ultimately
is
going
to
save
the
city
money?
So
you
can
you
have
the
the
win-win
of
both
reducing
our
carbon
emissions
and
also
saving
ourselves
money.
So
that's
been
that's
been
pretty
positive.
C
Yeah
to
add
to
that
a
little
bit,
I
think
that
as
covet
has
happened,
it's
obviously
a
lot
of
you
know.
It's
been
a
tough
year
for
everyone
and
kovitz
had
a
lot
of
terrible
effects
across
the
world
and
on
individuals,
but
one
opportunity
it's
introduced
is
we
can
build
back
better?
We
don't
have
to
go.
C
You
know
back
to
what
we
had
before
and
what
I'm
excited
about
with
the
biden
administration
is
that
recovery
there's
a
real
chance
to
focus
on
green
recovery
and
the
climate
challenge
is
increasingly
looking
at,
where
do
our
climate
goals
intersect
with
equity
and
recovery
goals?
So,
for
example,
if
you
were
going
to
do
a
workforce
development
program
in
anticipation
of
a
ton
of
recovery
funds,
hopefully
coming
in,
let's
focus
that
work
on.
You
know
green
high
road
jobs
and
let's
also
focus
those
jobs
to
historically
marginalized
communities.
B
C
A
You
know
that
that's
a
really
good
point
and-
and
you
know,
rebecca
you're-
getting
ready
to
release
the
the
ev
strategy
that
we've
developed
with
nrdc
and-
and
you
know,
part
part
of
that
process
of
developing.
That
strategy
starts
to
look
through
the
lens
of
equity
in
terms
of
vehicle
electrification.
A
B
So
over
the
past
year
you
know,
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
about
what
is
the
city's,
the
city
and
the
parking
authority's
role
in
providing
public
charging.
So
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
the
strategy
does
is.
It
looks
at
the
whole
universe
of
what
those
assets
are
and
what
those
facilities
are
and
where
the
parking
exists
and
then
comes
up
with
you
know
where,
where
do
where?
Should
we
prioritize
citing
charging
infrastructure?
B
A
B
Yeah,
I
thought
that
that
I
mean
it
makes
a
ton
of
sense,
but
you
know,
as
the
pandemic
has
raged
on,
and
people
are
still
working
from
home,
there's
not
so
much
workplace
charging
going
on
anymore.
So
you
know
the
parking
authority
has
been
losing
a
ton
of
revenue
and
a
ton
of
customers
in
their
traditional
parking
garages
and
downtown
lots.
B
But
the
uptick
in
in
customers
that
they've
been
seeing
is
people
who
either
live
downtown
or
those
lots
that
are
in
in
those
communities
where
people
are
are
now
parking,
and
I
think
that
that's
where
the
the
prime
charging
is
gonna,
be
especially
in
a
in
a
city
environment
where
not
everybody
has
those
you
know
driveways
where
they
could
charge
their
own
vehicles.
So
that's.
A
Which
has
a
lot
of
resilience
benefits
too
right,
like
in
in
terms
of
having
kind
of
that
proximity
to
you
know
communities,
but
also
in
terms
of
the
alternative
uses
of
potentially
charging
right
in
terms
of
storage
or
other
types
of
energy
assets.
You
know:
will
danny
introduce
this
topic
to
build
back
better?
What
does
the
you
know
the
city's
climate
challenge
strategy?
How
does
that
strategy
and
what
we're
working
on
towards
implementation,
lend
to
that
concept
of
building
back
better.
D
I
think
that's
a
lot
of
what
the
you
know.
Municipal
operations
are
a
relatively
small
amount
of
the
emissions
in
pittsburgh,
but
we
have
this
ability
to
serve
as
a
model
for
the
city
and
show
the
private
sector
really
what's
possible
and
what
can
be
done
when
you're,
when
you're
committed
to
to
addressing
climate
change,
and
also
that
you
know
if
the
city
with
all
of
its
financial
limitations
and
everything
can
do
it,
then
certainly
you
know
large
developers
and
larger
businesses
should
be
able
to
do
it
as
well.
A
Maybe
maybe
just
to
pivot
a
little
bit
with
the
conversation,
one
of
the
things
that
just
interested
to
hear
from
the
three
of
you
about,
because
you've,
intersected
and
interacted
with
the
other
cities
are
there
and
danny
you
have
kind
of
this,
probably
the
best
poor.
You
know
point
of
view
of
this:
are
there
things
that
we
could
pilfer
from
other
places
that
would
be
well
applied
in
pittsburgh?
A
C
Yeah
definitely
so
you
know
rebecca
was
talking
a
little
bit
about
equity
of
access
towards
electric
vehicle
charging,
but
also
brought
up
the
fact
that
not
everyone
can
afford
right
now,
an
electric
vehicle.
So
there's
always
that
issue
and
some
cool
things
I'm
seeing
in
a
few
of
the
cities.
St
paul,
for
example,
is
setting
up
an
electric
vehicle
car
share
that
is
targeted
towards
low-income
communities.
C
Just
to
make
sure
that
you
know
where
there
might
be
gaps
in
some
of
the
transportation
networks.
There
is
a
reliable,
affordable
means
to
get
around.
That
is
also
you
know
electric,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
for
a
lot
of
these
people
who
have
never
been
able
to
drive
an
electric
vehicle
and
and
can't
afford
one
for
themselves
right
now.
They
can
now
use
them
and
they
have
those
chargers
in
their
neighborhoods.
C
So
I
think
that's
a
a
great
thing
to
look
at
bringing
it
into
pittsburgh
so
that
those
chargers
are
not
just
be
not
just
utilized
by
people
who
can
own
the
cars
but
making
those
that
type
of
transportation
more
available
to
others
and
then,
similarly
in
boston,
they're.
Looking
at
launching
an
e-cargo
bike,
delivery
pilot
and
so
thinking
about
how
do
we
make
our
streets
less
congested?
C
There's
tons
of
deliveries
happening
every
day,
whether
it's
food
services
or
amazon
and
boston
especially
has
fairly
narrow
streets,
and
so
something
like
e-cargo
bikes
are
a
great
way
to
get
around,
and
you
don't
actually
lose
that
much
time
because
you're
not
in
traffic,
all
of
a
sudden.
So
I
think,
there's
a
win-win
for
you
know:
customers
and
people
who
are
waiting
for
things,
but
for
businesses
who
are
trying
to
get
things
out
and
then
just
overall
for
anyone
that
doesn't
want
to
be
in
traffic
or
pollution
all
day.
B
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
guess
I'm
hyper
focused
on
the
electric
vehicle
stuff,
that's
what
I'm
closest
to,
but
there's
a
lot
of
good.
Like
engagement
tactics.
I
think
that
some
of
the
other
cities
are
using
so
right
now.
I
think
we're
we're
still
trying
to
figure
out
exactly
like
how.
Where
do
we
insert
ourselves
into
existing
planning
initiatives
like
the
comp
plan
or
the
neighborhood
planning,
to
get
some
feedback
on
where
we
do
cite
some
of
this
infrastructure.
C
B
That's
gonna
be
more
important
when
we
start
to
get
into
right-of-way
charging
if
we
get
into
right-of-way
charging,
but
at
least
for
the
lots
you
know
we
don't
want
to
come
in
and
plop
down
a
bunch
of
electric
vehicle
chargers
in
a
place
that
doesn't
need
it,
and
you
know
people
ask
why
you
know
we're
installing
infrastructure.
That's
maybe
not
for
them,
or
that
doesn't
make
sense.
So
I
mean,
and
then,
alternatively,
there's
you
know
other
areas
where
people
are
asking
for
it.
B
D
You
well
one
of
the
ones
that
comes
to
mind
actually
gets
back
to
that
kind
of
that
structural
systems.
Change
that
you
talk
about
so
san
antonio
is
an
example
of
the
city
that
has
set
up
like
an
internal
revolving
fund
for
energy
efficiency
improvements,
so
that
as
they
implement
projects,
buildings
lights,
whatever
that
are
that
are
increasing
the
energy
efficiency
of
their
facilities.
D
The
savings
that
come
from
that
project,
at
least
a
portion
of
that
gets
recycled
back
into
the
budget,
specifically
for
other
energy
efficiency
projects.
You
have
a
self-sustaining
process
that
that
lets
you
accelerate
the
the
amount
of
energy
efficiency
programming
that
you
can
do.
So
I
think
that's
something.
Obviously,
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
that
here,
but
that's
one
that
I
think
we
could.
We
could
probably
implement
terrific.
A
A
There's
the
needs
for
kind
of
major
systemic
investment
to
be
made
to
help
catalyze.
A
lot
of
this
work
will
a
couple.
Couple
weeks
ago,
we
were
involved
in
an
effort
at
the
state
level,
with
a
a
policy
called
reggie,
the
regional
greenhouse
gas
initiative.
Maybe
can
you
share
a
little
bit
about
that
in
terms
of
how
state
policy
could
also
impact
some
of
these
initiatives?
A
D
So
basically
you,
just
you,
say
we're
going
to
set
a
limit
on
how
much
carbon
can
be
emitted
from
power
producers
in
these
participating
states,
and
then
there
will
be
auctions
at
which
those
power
producers
can
buy
credits
for
the
amount
of
of
carbon
that
they're
emitting
and
then
over
time.
You,
you
lower
that
cap
to
bring
your
emissions
down
and
you
from
the
auctions.
You
have
a
source
of
revenue
that
can
be
used
to
support
a
wide
array
of
things,
from
energy
efficiency
to
clean
air,
etc.
D
So,
currently
pennsylvania
is
not
part
of
reggie,
but
the
department
of
environmental
protection
has
been
developing
a
theory,
a
set
of
regulations
that
would
bring
pennsylvania
into
the
reggie
framework.
So
the
stuff
that
you
and
I
were
participating
in
a
month
or
two
ago
was
in
that
rule,
making
process
they're
now
they're
now
advancing
the
point
where
they're
they're
developing
the
procedures
for
actually
how
the
proceeds
of
those
carbon
allotment
auctions
would
be
used.
So
that
actually
gets
back
to
your
earlier
questions
too
about
you
know.
D
How
does
this
tie
in
to
build
back
better
and
all
this
stuff?
Is
you
suddenly
have
this
pot
of
money?
Ideally
that
comes
out
of
this-
that
you
can
use
to
to
support
other
types
of
projects
that
are
that
help
support
clean
air
locally,
that
further
energy
efficiency
that
can
address
environmental
justice
concerns.
D
So
there
are
a
lot
of
really
great
opportunities
there
and
that's
one
where
you
know
it's
a
state.
It's
a
state
regulation,
but
the
city
can
engage
both
in
advocating
for
its
adoption
and
also
helping
to
shape
to
shape
the
way
that
it's
implemented,
using
our
local
knowledge
of
of
our
local
communities,
to
make
sure
that
those
resources
are
going
to
the
right
places.
A
That's
interesting
and
so
like
we're
talking,
hundreds
the
opportunities
like
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
that
can
be
brought
into
kind
of
the
ecosystem
to
help
local
governments,
municipalities,
universities,
schools,
hospitals,
you
know,
advance
energy
efficiency
and
and
help
bleed
this
transition
right.
Yep.
That's.
D
A
What
you're,
reading
what
you're
listening
to
or
what
you're
watching
and
so
danny
we're
gonna,
put
you
on
the
hot
seat,
first
as
our
guest
because
will
and
rebecca,
and
I
get
to
catch
up
all
the
time.
So
we
we
kind
of
get
a
sense
a
little
bit.
But
what
are
some
things
right
now
that
you
know
either
on
kind
of
your
your
your
coffee
table
or
in
your
earbuds
or
on
your
television
screen.
C
Yeah
sure
so
to
stay
on
topic,
a
recommendation
to
everyone
to
watch
david
attenborough's,
a
life
on
our
planet,
so
good
yeah.
You
know
it's
a
sort
of
called
a
action
to
prioritize
as
a
human
race.
Not
you
know
individual
people
or
individual
countries
regions,
but
we
all
need
to
a
collective
response
to
climate
change.
So
we've
talked
about
that
coordination
issue
and
I
think
that
that
documentary
gets
at
that.
But
if,
like
me,
you
struggle
to
watch
the
destruction
of
the
planet
or
animals.
C
Sir
anton
guro
also
just
recently
delivered
a
message
to
the
un
security
council
on
the
topic,
and
so
you
can
watch
that
on
youtube
and
it's
it's
a
little
less
visually
depressing
in
some
ways
and
then
reading
wise,
I'm
actually
this
year
trying
to
read
a
lot
of
the
classics.
So
I
just
finished
a
tale
of
two
cities
and
once
you
get
through
the,
I
guess
it's
like
19th
century
language
that
feels
like
reading
yeah,
it's
different,
but
it
was
really
good.
Surprise.
Classics
are
good.
A
D
Unfortunately,
most
of
my
reading
tends
to
be
doom
scrolling
twitter,
as
we've
often
talked
about,
but
when
I'm
not
not
doing
that,
I
sort
of
veered
towards.
I
don't
know
if
it's
escapism,
if
you're
into
like
dystopian
sci-fi,
but
I
I
recently
read
william
gibson's
new
newish
book
called
the
peripheral
which
is
about
well.
D
A
B
B
B
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
I
mean
it
seemed
okay.
It
would.
I
think
it
would
be
interesting,
and
I
forget
what
was
it
2029,
that
they
come
back
from
so
it'd
be
really
interesting
to
like
you
know,
have
and
or
have
the
I
guess,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
terminators,
but
I'm
only
up
to
one
and
two,
but
I
guess
you
know
whatever
one
they're
up
to
to
do:
one,
that's
timely
from
now
and
then
going
back
and
like
acting
like
it's
1984,
instead
of
actually
being
1984
and
acting
for
the
future.
You
know
you
know.
That's.
A
A
A
So
that's
it's.
It's
not
a
fun
read,
but
it
is
pretty
interesting
to
kind
of
go
along
with
this
group's
theme.
Here
you
know
it's
it's
fascinating
to
look
and
they
do
a
pretty
good
job
of
kind
of
connecting
dots.
You
know
with
regards
to
like
how
we
were
just
talking
about
systems
that
evolved
and
developed
over
time
that
have
just
supported
the
fossil
fuel
industry
in
the
state,
and
you
know
at
the
time
those
things
were
created.
A
So
so
that's
good
stuff!
Well,
hey
guys!
It
is
good
talking
with
everyone
and
kind
of
a
not
it's
still
a
work
setting.
I
guess,
but
it's
good
to
kind
of
dive
deeper
with
everyone
and
share
kind
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
so.
I
really
appreciate
you
guys
and
and
sharing
your
stories
with
us
here
today
so
danny
and
will
thank
you
and
rebecca's
always
thank
you
as
well.