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From YouTube: The Grant Street Experience: Patricia DeMarco
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On this episode of The Grant Street Experience, Grant Ervin talks to Patricia DeMarco, author of "Pathways to Our Sustainable Future: A Global Perspective from Pittsburgh."
A
Hello
and
welcome
to
another
episode
of
the
grant
street
experience.
I'm
your
host
grant
urban
chief
resilience
officer
here
at
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
good
to
see
everybody
here
and
listening
in
from
far
and
wide
for
our
first
show
of
2021
and
we're
starting
the
season
off
right
with
a
great
friend
and
colleague
and
mentor
patty,
demarco
patty.
How
are
you
this
morning.
B
Hi,
I'm
a
native
of
pittsburgh.
I
was
born
and
raised
here.
My
father
was
in
the
foreign
service.
So
while
I
was
young,
we
traveled
all
over
the
world
and
that
gave
me
kind
of
a
global
perspective
to
my
life,
but
I'm
pretty
much.
An
italian
first
generation
person
bridged
the
patriarchal
italian
family
into
the
women's
lib
movement.
B
That
was
my
generation,
I'm
a
biologist
by
training,
a
rachel
carson
scholar
and
I
have
been
in
the
energy
and
environmental
policy
field
since
1975
continuously
I've
been
in
the
regulatory
arena
as
commissioner
and
I
was
the
demand
side
manager
for
a
municipal
electric
cooperative
for
many
years.
I
teach
in
science,
ethics
and
public
policy,
and
I
started
at
pitt
and
teach
at
chatham
now
and
I've
had
the
honor
of
being
elected
to
serve
as
a
borough
council
member
in
borough,
forest
hills,
that's
terrific!
Yes,
their
vice
president.
A
What's
you
know
when,
when
I
first
met
you,
it
was
through
your
work
with
the
rachel
carson
homestead
and
you
have
a
you
know
a
history
well
before
that
that
maybe,
if
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
your
your
role
in
alaska,
that
was
one
of
the
things
when
I
I
first
met
you.
I
was
really
fascinated
by
you
know:
here's
a
pittsburgh
girl
in
alaska
how'd.
You
get
there
and
maybe
talk
about
some
of
that
work,
because
it's
really
fascinating.
Well,.
B
B
C
B
I
was
the
only
woman
in
the
delegation.
There
were
two
engineers
and
a
paralegal
and
mary
brown,
mary
mary
thomas,
came
up
to
me
and
she
was
one
of
the
elders
of
the
community.
She
said
you
can't
stay
here
with
all
these
men,
there's
no
hotel
there,
there's
just
a
community
community
room
and
she
said
you're
going
to
come
home
with
us,
so
they
held
a
potluck.
For
me,
oh.
B
Women
came
and
they
brought
food
and
they
made
me
dance
the
native
dance.
They
gave
me
a
little
pair
of
fans
which
I
should
have
thought
to
bring
to
you.
If
I
knew
you
were
going
to
talk
about
this,
but
it
was
amazing
because
there's
such
warm,
wonderful
people,
but
still
living
in
many
areas
in
subsistence
lifestyles
with
extreme
challenges
right
now,
because
of
climate,
undermining
and
eroding
traditional
ways,
and
it's
it's
a
really
interesting
time
to
see
how
transformations
happen.
C
B
C
C
B
I
I
really
was
very
impressed
with
things
like
deciding
to
put
in
a
telecommunications
tower,
for
example,
would
get
the
seven
generations
view?
Well,
we've
never
had
such
a
thing
here.
Why
do
we
need
it
now
and
what
does
it
give
us?
You
know,
and
we
had
these
long
discussions
about
the
implications
of
changing.
B
You
know,
basic
ways
of
being,
and
the
argument
around
the
pebble
creek
mine,
which
you
may
have
heard
about,
is
one
that
really
brought
that
to
light,
because
there
are
so
many
thousands
and
thousands
of
communities
and
villages
in
the
bristol
bay
drainage
that
depend
on
the
on
the
anadromous
fishes
of
the
salmon
migration.
Okay
and
though
the
pebble
creek
mine
is
a
gold
mine
and
it
will
release
arsenic
when
you
mine,
it.
C
B
B
Thousands
of
people
you
know
not
just
in
alaska
but
because
they
export
to
fish.
It's
so
understanding
the
cascading
effects
of
ecosystem
disruptions
when
a
good
quarter
of
the
economy
of
that
state
depends
on
tourism
and
fisheries,
really
a
much
more
connected
argument
than
when
you're
sitting
in
an
you
know
a
15
foot
story,
building
with
concrete
all
around
you
and
you
don't
really
recognize
that
you're
in
a
living
environment
as
part
of
your
habitat.
You
know
your
perspective
is
really
different.
A
B
I
brought
that
back
to
pittsburgh
because
I
I
grew
up
here
and
when
I
left
alaska
I
could
have
gone
anywhere.
My
daughter
was
in
virginia
at
that
time.
My
sister
was
in
tennessee,
but
I
grew
up
in
pittsburgh
and
I
really
wanted.
I
was
in
desperate
need
to
come
back
to
my
roots.
I
was
pretty
beat
up
when
I
left
alaska.
B
C
B
Because
I
couldn't
get
on
a
plane,
I
was
given
a
seat
on
in
a
jump
street
of
a
jump
seat
of
the
fedex
cargo
carriers,
because
my
friend
who
ran
the
cargo
station,
said
well
patty.
We
can
put
you
on
a
jump
seat
because
I
couldn't
get
a
flight
out
of
anchorage
in
april,
and
so
I
I
didn't,
make
it
home
before
he
died.
But
that
started
me
thinking
and
then
I
realized
that
you
know
life
is
pretty
short.
B
And
it
was
also
coming
back
to
my
roots.
I
I
mean
I
rachel
carson
was
my
hero
from
the
time
I
graduated
from
high
school,
and
when
I
was
in
alaska,
I
challenged
the
trans
alaska
pipeline.
I
wrote
a
conservation
policy
for
the
state
that
was
not
accepted,
but
it
was
a
real
battle.
I
left
pretty
beat
up.
C
B
And
even
though
the
the
big
case
on
the
transalaska
pipeline,
where
we,
where
the
challenge
to
the
rape
case,
was
upheld
by
the
supreme
court,
I
didn't
get
reappointed
over
that
decision,
because
I
wrote
a
25-page
dissent.
That
became
the
majority
position
somebody
flipped
wow,
so
we
ended
up
with
a
really
vehement
battle
over
the
trans-alaska
pipeline
tariffs
and
you
know
who
had
the
right
to
use
it
and
all
these
things
very
complicated
technical
stuff.
But
you
know
you
haven't
lived
until
you've
sat
through
seven
days
of
depreciation.
Testimony
right!
A
A
I
want
to
come
back
to
that
in
a
minute,
but
maybe
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
your
time
at
the
with
the
rachel,
carson,
homestead
and
and
rachel
carson
herself
and
what
she's
meant
to
you,
I
think
you
know
for
for
our
audience.
It's
kind
of
you
know
a
broad-based
group,
so
maybe
a
little
bit
about
racial,
her
role
in
in
not
just
being
a
a
pittsburgher
or
a
person
from
the
region,
but
what
she's
meant
to
the
environmental
movement.
C
B
Was
a
graduate
of
the
class
of
1929
and
her
work
in
really
promulgating?
An
environmental
ethic
that
is
based
on
protecting
and
precaution
in
protecting
the
environment
from
man-made
activities,
including
synthetic
chemicals
like
pesticides
and
herbicides,
was
really
seminal
in
the
environmental
movement.
She
was
also
a
real
role
model
for
women
in
science.
B
A
B
The
endangered
species
act
all
of
those
things
you
know
really
can
be
attributed
to
her
influence
on
really
foundational
environmental
law
and
really
her
activism,
not
only
as
an
a
writer
but
also
as
a
person.
She
wrote
extensively
letters
testimony
speeches
telling
people
that
you
cannot
sit
quiet
when
you
see.
C
C
C
B
At
chatham
and
we
called
together
people
from
all
over
the
world
I
mean
eo.
Wilson
came,
you
know
francesca
santoro.
From
unesco,
I
mean
we
had
really
outstanding
convenings
of
discussion.
We
did
a
discussion
session
on
green
chemistry,
which
terry
collins
at
cmu
institute
for
green
science
was
really
helpful
with
we
had
paul
anastas
and
all
the
people
who
were
real
key
formers
of
the
idea
that
you
can
prevent
the
formation
of
toxic
materials
by
design.
B
B
Some
in
industry
and
some
in
academia,
so
rachel
carson,
really
she
was
a
major
force
in
my
life
as
a
as
a
role
model
and
as
an
inspiration.
Her
writing
is
still
really
very
patient
of
the
problems
that
we're
facing
today,
which
is
why
I
quoted
her
so
much
in
my
book
and
really
her
environmental
ethic.
I
think
still
offers
a
great
deal
to
us
in
both
humanitarian
and
environmental
guidance.
A
You
mentioned
that,
and
you
know
it
picks
up
in
the
book
too.
I
mean
so
maybe
let's
transition
into
that,
because
you
know
the
the
first
section
around
like
the
living
earth
and
the
connection
between
people
and
earth
and
living
systems
like
that.
That
is
the
embodiment
of
rachel
carson.
It's
it's
interesting
to
hear
you
talk
about
it
and
then,
having
you
know,
kind
of
read
it
in
the
book,
so
the
book
pathways
to
our
sustainable
future,
a
global
perspective
from
pittsburgh.
A
B
Well,
first
of
all,
I
was
teaching
for
seven
years
of
science,
ethics
and
public
policy
and
in
various
forms,
both
at
pitt
and
at
chatham
and
I've.
Given
a
lot
of
lectures
both
from
the
rachel
carson
homestead
and
the
rachel
carson
institute.
And
when
I
retired
from
having
a
formal
position
in
2012.
C
C
B
To
give
to
my
class
and
then
when
I'm
talking,
I
often
only
have
like
15
20
minutes.
You
don't
have
time
to
give
a
whole
exposition
of
what
you'd
like
to
say.
You
can
only
give
people
a
tease
and
I
didn't
have
anything
to
leave
behind.
So
that
was
one
thing.
The
other
thing
was
that
I
realized
that
we
were
at
a
really
critical
time
in
our
course
of
history,
where
sustainability
was
a
really
important
matter,
and
climate
change
is
really
marching
upon
us,
and
I.
C
A
B
And
there
are
all
kinds
of
books
out
there
on
sustainability.
I've
got
stacks
of
them.
You
know
we're
best
practices,
you've
seen
bookshelves
full
of
them
best
practices
and
they
go
from
all
over
the
world
and
they
give
you.
You
know
all
kinds
of
examples,
and
you
know
protocols
and
models
and
everything,
but
I
thought
you
know.
Pittsburgh
is
really
at
the
fulcrum
point
of
this
transition
from
the
fossil
age
to
the
renewable
and
sustainable
age
that
is
coming
and
how
is
a
particular
place
at
a
particular
point
in
time
coping
with
this
transition.
C
B
Talking
about
you
know,
we're
going
to
have
a
renewable
energy
future
and
you
know
amy
levins
writes
all
these
elaborate
models
and
you
know
extrapolations
and
people
put
models
of
all
kinds
of
things
for,
but
people
don't
connect
to
that
kind
of
thing
in
the
abstract,
if
you
say
to
them,
hey,
look:
we've
got
a
living
building,
that's
the
best
in
the
world.
That's
right
here
in
pittsburgh.
You
can
go
see
it.
It's
right
over
there
right.
A
B
B
C
B
A
It's
it's
important
and
you
know,
and
maybe
for
a
little
bit
about
like
each
of
the
the
the
arc
that
you
tell
in
the
book.
I
thought
was
really
interesting
because
you
know
you
have
you
know
the
the
first
sec.
Maybe
if
you
can
talk
about
each
section
but
like
the
living
earth
and
how
we're
connected
and
in
some
of
the
stories
that
you
bring
up
and
then
you
hit
innovation
and
and
then
you
know,
kind
of
the
social
cultural
impediments
that
we
we
face.
C
B
Existing
on
this
earth
for
seven
generations
more,
we
have
to
preserve
our
air,
our
water,
the
fertile
ground
and
and
the
other
creatures
that
support
our
life,
because
without
that
no
amount
of
money
is
going
to
save
you.
You
know-
and
I
think
about
that
banner
that
is
carried
down
the
streets
on
the
anti-fracking
movement.
You
can't
drink
money,
yeah,
that's
really
true!
B
B
Children,
and
what
do
you
benefit
from
by
doing
that,
so
that
whole
sense
of
wonder
that
happens
from
being
part
of
nature
and
seeing
yourself
as
part
of
the
natural
world
is
really
where
it
starts
from,
because
once
you
do
that,
once
you
connect
people
to
that
sense
that
was
endemic
in
the
in
the
alaska
native
communities.
They
didn't
see
themselves
as
different
from
the
living
earth.
You're
part
of
it.
B
Well,
you
know,
when
you
have
a
beautiful
bright
spring
day,
how
everybody's
spirit
kind
of
lifts
that
first
really
warm
spring
day
when
you
walk
outside,
and
you
can
hear
the
birds
and
the
flowers
start
to
come
that
sense
of
uplift,
even
if
you're
a
city
dweller,
you
feel
that
right
and
right,
I
I
think
that
was
what
I
was
trying
to.
I
describe
a
walk
through
the
script
district.
B
B
We
very
consciously
brought
the
greening
into
the
city
because
it
does
help
people
to
be
connected
to
nature
when
you're
walking
down
the
street
on
oliver
avenue
or
forbes
avenue,
and
you
encounter
birds
in
in
the
area,
and
you
have
flowers
and
trees
and
even
in
the
winter
trees.
You
know
you
find
a
respite
from
the
the
press
and
the
intrusion
of
the
technology
and
of
the
world
around
us,
so
that
it
gives
you
a
way
to
remember
that
you're
human,
you
know.
A
A
You
know
whether
it
was
the
ability
to
literally
like
smell
or
to
hear
and
how,
when,
when
those
different
kind
of
sensory
experiences
are
able
to
be
expanded
was
really
fascinating,
because
you
know
we
go
about
our
daily
lives.
We
just
kind
of
you
know
bounce
around
right
and
you
take
so
much
for
granted
that,
like
that
sensory
experience
is
really
amazing.
Right.
C
B
Part
of
the
world,
not
the
built
part.
You
recognize
that
we're
more
alike
as
people
as
human,
then
we
are
different
in
you,
know:
culture
or
faith
or
gender
or
even
politics.
You
know
people
have
the
common
animal
comfort.
Creature
needs
right.
We
share
as
humans,
and
I
think,
when
you're
aware
of
your
place
in
the
natural
world,
it's
easier
to
remember
that
what
we
need
as
people
is
what
we
have
in
common
and
how
we
behave
to
each
other
in
community
is
what
makes
us
human
and
makes
civilization.
A
It's
fascinating
because
you
know
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
pittsburgh's
role
in
green
chemistry,
which
is
really
one
of
the
foundations
of
kind
of
rachel
carson's
legacy.
Your
second
component
of
the
book
was
talking
about
innovation
yep.
What
were
some
things
that
really
kind
of?
I
guess
stick
out
for
you
in
kind
of
this
pittsburgh
ecosystem
about
the
role
of
innovation,
where
you're
kind
of
like
oh
wow,
you
know
like
what
were
the
things
that
made
paddy
say
like
oh
wow.
What
are
this
is
really
some
cool
stuff
that.
B
C
B
Right
yeah,
he
does
some
cool
stuff
he's
studying
on
him
and
he's
gone
way
beyond
where
he
was
in
the
book.
Now
you
know
his
whole.
All
enterprises
forward
keep
spinning
them
out,
but
that
kind
of
kind
of
innovation
springs
from
the
fact.
We
have
eight
accredited
universities
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh
and,
unlike
places
like
boston,
they
actually
talk
to
each
other.
C
B
C
B
C
B
We're
right
in
the
middle
of
the
marcellus
shale,
but
we're
also
at
one
of
the
centers
of
design
for
the
microgrid
for
the
technologies
for
increasing
the
nodal
distribution
in
like
neural
networks
of
command
and
control
of
artificial
intelligence
in
in
load
management
and
energy
innovation
in
systems
I
mean
the
wind
stacks.
You
know
this
is
a
real
revolution.
It
only
only
needs
five
miles
an
hour
of
wind.
You
can
put
it
in
neighborhoods,
you
can
put
it
on
top
of
buildings
and
it's
all
made
with
a
local
supply
chain.
B
Think
veterans-
and
you
know,
preference
hiring
local
people.
This
is
amazing
and
it's
doing
amazingly
well,
it's
gone
way
beyond
where
it
was
in
the
few
examples
they
had
in
my
book
and
the
third
one
is
the
concept
of
agriculture
as
part
of
the
resilient
community
of
the
regenerative
economy,
where
food
isn't
something
that
comes
from
far
away,
packaged
and
plasticked
and
whatever,
but
you
grow
it
in
your
neighborhood
right.
C
B
B
Ii,
a
lot
of
them
are
still
here.
You
can
drive
around
in
the
south
side
in
the
north
side
and
everywhere
and
find
okay.
Some
of
them
are
now
parking
spaces,
but
you
see
the
remnants
of
the
grapevines.
You
see
the
remnants
of
in,
and
people
have
re
returned
to
that,
and
you've
made
some
great
strides
in
the
city
of
pittsburgh.
Your
your
urban
agriculture
regulation
is
amazing
even
allowing
bees
chickens
and
miniature
goats.
I
mean
this
is
amazing,
but
having
urban
agriculture
as
part
of
the
built
environment
as
part
of
our
living
space.
C
B
Helps
you
capture
carbon?
It
gives
you
a
sense
of
community
around
shared
food
production,
just
as
it
was
when
I
was
a
girl,
I
mean
all
the
aunties
and
every
I
mean
I
grew
up
in
mount
washington
on
on
lilia
street,
and
there
were
only
two
properties
where
they
were
owned
by
people
who
thought
they
were
going
to
have
a
lawn
everybody
else.
A
It's
one
of
those
things
too.
We
had.
We
had
shelley
denko
day
who's
on
the
team
who
leads
our
our
food
policy
work.
You
know
it's
fascinating,
two
things
one.
You
know
that
the
amount
of
connect
the
ability
to
connect
people
to
local
food
is
so
important
to
the
transition,
because
that
is
like
you're
saying
it's,
the
core
community
right
like
how
we
can
connect,
how
we
communicate
sharing
recipes
or
you
know,
hey
here's.
I
had
a
couple
extra
tomatoes.
You
want
to
take
them
off
my
hand.
A
It's
such
a
human
experience
and
so
important,
but
also
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
challenged
or
found
is
the
challenge
with
regretted
to
food
insecurity.
Yes,
and
you
know,
the
number
of
people
which
is
around
20
of
folks
in
the
county,
don't
know
where
their
next
meal
is
going
to
come
from.
A
And
it's
getting
worse
in
the
pandemic,
it's
certainly
true,
and
that
kind
of
leads
a
little
bit
into
like
the
third
section,
which
are
like
these
social
and
cultural
impediments.
How
do
we
in
in
the
book?
You
find
a
couple
examples,
but
how
do
you
start
to
kind
of
break
down
the
social
and
cultural
barriers
that
exist
in
order
to
start
to
foster
the
connections
which
also
lead
to
innovation?
I
mean
what
are
some
of
your
thoughts
there.
B
B
B
C
C
B
Have
still
some
challenges
in
maintaining
those
spaces
when
other
development
pressures
see
a
more
cost
efficient
or
cost
benefit
approach
or
the
ownership
changes.
So
how
do
you
protect
land?
That's
been
reclaimed
for
farming,
and
I
I
know
the
allegheny
land.
Trust
is
very
active
on
that
and
there
are
a
number
number
of
other
organizations,
including
phipps,
that
work
on
that
problem
of
once
you've
retrieved
fertile
ground.
B
B
B
Right
requirement
you
have
to,
if
you
go
200
feet
in
any
direction,
you
just
can't
there's
no
room,
so
we
had
to
make
an
ordinance
that
was
artificially
constrained
like
that,
because
we're
required
by
the
state
law.
But
these
things
need
to
continue
to
come
up
and
be
challenged,
and
when
you
have
people
taking
the
initiative
to
say
we
have
better
uses
for
this
land,
we
don't
think
the
houses
belong
in
the
flood
plain.
Why
can't
we
use.
C
B
For
farm
space,
because
it's
going
to
flood
and
that
would
be
good
for
the
ground
rather
than
bad
for
it,
if
there
are
houses
on
it
and
begin
to
take
account
of
how
we
are
related
to
the
real,
you
know,
natural
forces
of
the
land.
The
laws
of
nature
are
not
negotiable,
they
will
prevail,
and
so
we
might
as
well
begin
planning
around
those.
You
know,
constraints
and
building
community
to
have
that
work
and.
A
And
you've
seen
that
too,
I
think
and
that
there
is
a
bit
of
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
call
it
an
awakening
of
sorts.
I
mean,
I
think
it's
been
there
for
a
long
time,
but
more
and
more
people
are
becoming
aware
of
these
challenges
and
how
they
affect
their
nature,
their
built
natural
environment
and,
ultimately,
their
health,
and
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
in
the
book
too,
maybe
just
to
kind
of
transition
a
bit
into.
A
B
Well,
I
think
you
can't
underestimate
the
value
of
a
visionary
leader
and
we've
seen
a
time
of
great
contrasts
in
that
where
you
know
when
mayor
peduto
came
in,
he
had
this
broad
community.
Visioning
process
had
some
really
broad
goals,
very
ambitious
ones-
to
make
pittsburgh
a
shining
example
of
a
resilient
sustainable
city,
and
I
think,
in
a
lot
of
ways,
we've
gone
there.
We've
achieved
that
you
know:
we've
been
recognized
nationally
internationally,
even
for
making
strides
in
that
direction.
Before.
C
B
Sit
down
in
the
hustings,
it
looks
like
it's
pretty
pitiful
in
terms
of
what
actually
happens,
because
it's
so
slow
and
because
we
have
a
lot
of
old
buildings
and
old
infrastructure,
and
you
know
it's
like
a
big
battleship.
You
know
when
you're
trying
to
change
direction,
a
lot
of
churning
happens
for
a
long
time
before
you
see
any
any
visible
motion
right,
so
we're
in
the
turn.
Okay,
we're
in
the
churning
stage.
C
B
C
B
People
have
different
opportunities
than
other
people
just
where
they
live
or
what
they
look
like
and
beginning
to
put
those
things
into
the
public
policy
arena
and
dissect
them.
It's
a
painful
process,
but
it
has
to
happen,
and
I
think
it
is
happening
in
pittsburgh
in
in
really
productive
and
exciting
ways,
and
I
think
that's
largely
because
the
mayor
has
made
space
for
that
to
go
forward
and
it
doesn't
happen
everywhere.
Okay,
but
it
can
happen
here.
C
B
Legacy
of
our
industrial
past
in
some
ways,
and
it
has
constraints
in
some
places
because
of
that.
But
it
also
is
a
testimony
to
the
vision
of
some
of
those
people
whose
you
know
after
effects,
weren't
always
positive
to
the
environment
and
to
the
people.
But
having
the
vision
to
say.
We
want
to
endow
the
future.
B
It
will
and
have
you
know
the
hinds
endowments
and
the
rk
mellon
foundation,
the
former
sons,
all
these
people,
the
pittsburgh
foundation
there
to
give
resources
for
exploration
of
things
that
don't
necessarily
happen
everywhere.
I
think
that's
another
reason.
Pittsburgh
is
really
on
the
forefront
of
this
transformation
that
we're
seeing
in
society.
A
That's
interesting:
we
got
a
few
minutes
left
here
and
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
hit
upon
is
you
know
you're.
You
have
a
as
I
mentioned
in
the
onset
you.
You
have
multiple
hats
that
you
wear
as
an
educator
author,
but
also
as
an
advocate
and
and
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
tie
together
is
kind
of
your
role
in
advocacy
with
the
the
reimagine
appalachia
campaign.
A
B
B
Okay,
well,
there
are
four
states
in
the
ohio
river
valley,
pennsylvania,
ohio,
west,
virginia
and
kentucky
that
have
been
assaulted
by
this
proposed
petrochemical,
build
out
moving
the
gulf.
You
know
coast,
petrol,
industry,
inland
away
from
the
hurricanes
and
disruption
of
the
of
the
gulf
coast,
but
at
the
same
time,
people
are
looking
at
a
future
that
isn't
based
on
fossil
fuels
that
isn't
based
on
extractive
industries
that
isn't
going
to
go
through
the
boom
and
bust.
B
That
has,
you
know,
assaulted
our
communities
for
so
many
decades
and
saying,
let's
think
about
what
we
could
do.
If
we
look
at
what
people
actually
want
where
they
are,
and
it's
been
a
grassroots
effort
bubbling
up
through.
Initially,
the
reimagined
process
was
done
through
the
league
of
women
voters
and
we
did
them
in
lehigh
and
in
erie
and
beaver
in
butler
in
wheeling
west
virginia
and
now
we're
doing
it
as
a
joint
effort
across
four
states.
C
B
C
B
C
C
A
It's
been
fascinating
to
me
and
working
with
it
with
you
and
others
in
this
project,
the
sense
of
connectivity
and
community
across
the
four
states
yeah.
You
know
whether
you're
talking
about
cincinnati
or
louisville
or
morgantown,
west
virginia
or
huntington,
west
virginia
or
pittsburgh
or
youngstown.
A
C
B
Is
kind
of
a
take
off
from
the
power
of
one
voice,
which
was
the
film
we
made
about
rachel
carson?
But
you
know
when
you
have
people
who
have
a
common
vision
of
the
future
and
are
willing
to
roll
up
their
sleeves
and
work
for
it.
I
mean
when
you
get
the
mayors
of
four
states
coming
together
and
going
to
congress,
as
we
are
planning
to
do.
C
C
B
The
regional
impact
of
collaboration-
it
is
a
very
powerful
force,
it's
energizing,
it
makes
people
excited
when
you
get
people
in
a
room
together
and
they
say
yeah.
You
know,
we've
been
growing
tobacco
in
the
markets
like
get
it
and
nobody's
going
to.
But
if
you
grow
him
first
of
all,
it
controls
not.
There
are
13
species
of
hemp
by
the
way,
only
one
of
them
makes
you
high.
The
rest
are
really
really
interesting
and
important
sources
of
fiber.
C
A
A
A
That's
a
great
point
just
to
finish
up
the
the
bottom
up.
The
other
bottom
up
piece
is
kind
of
the
work
with
connect
and
the
nom
the
congress
of
neighboring
communities,
and
you
you
know.
One
of
the
things
that
you
guys
have
started
to
lead
is
the
development
of
climate
plans.
With
you
know
the
surrounding
local
municipal
municipalities
surrounding
the
city
of
pittsburgh,
maybe
quickly
kind
of
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
process
and
kind
of
where
you
guys
are
in
forest
hills.
For
example,.
B
B
So
when
we
realized
that
what
you
can
do
by
yourself
as
a
town
of
5
600
people
isn't
a
lot,
but
if
you're
with
your
neighbors
and
if
you're
with
your
hub
city,
you
have
now
practically
doubled
the
impact
that
we
can
have
together,
because
the
communities
immediately
around
pittsburgh
are
about
80
percent
of
pittsburgh
alone.
So
if
you.
C
B
Of
things
become
possible
when
you're
working
together
as
a
group,
so
I'm
very
excited
to
be
doing
this.
I
know
you've
been
piloting
and
leading
the
way
on
the
climate
action
plan
for
pittsburgh
for
a
long
time,
and
that
certainly
is
helpful,
but
imagine
how
you
can
double
the
impact
you're
having
if
all
of
your
neighbors
are
doing
the
same
thing.
So.
A
A
A
And-
and
this
is
really
I
think,
a
key
component
of
of
dave-
who
was
the
you
know-
full
disclosure,
a
former
professor
of
mine
at
the
graduate
school
of
public
international
profe
affairs
and
a
real
leader
in
this
space
and
forming
connect?
And
I
think
you
know
this
is
the
what
he
talked
about
pittsburgh
and
the
also
herbs.
A
You
know
the
also
urban
community,
where
we
have
this
shared
space
and
our
ability
to
work
together
like
dave
used
to
talk
about,
creates
a
cumulative
impact
and
in
the
climate
space
in
particular,
exactly
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
great
opportunities
that
we
can
share
together.
Yep
with
that,
you
know
patty.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
so
much.
This
has
been
a
terrific
conversation.
We
could
probably
go
on
for
for
hours,
and
I
know
that
we'll
continue
the
conversation
offline.